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The Kill Power Hour #054 - Black Sails in the Sunset (1999)
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Tyler kicks off his top-3 with the American Film Institute's 4th studio album, and according to Tucker & his brother, the album that launched "Screamo". Eric is impressed by the band's technical chops and curious about the black-magic lyrical content. The older boys get to educate Tyler about the "hidden track" before the first song on CDs and also connect AFI's sound to folks like Metallica and the Japandroids. We'll see how long this one stays up for!
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Transcript
Introduction and Tribute to Paul Reubens
00:00:05
Speaker
to the kill power hour a podcast for three friends spend the better part of an hour arguing and explaining why i think the american film institute should stick to movies each week we go through one item on our top 10 lists we're currently on albums and this week we'll be discussing tyler's third favorite album of all time 1999's black sails in the sunset by afi i'm your host eric and as always i'm joined by my best friend tucker i almost did the intro today and my best friend's little brother.
00:00:33
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I do the intro every morning, but with my own version. or i Or I say it in EC's voice in my car. send Welcome to today's podcast. Wow. hey eric That's your impersonation of me. that's You want to talk about pictures? I like pictures.
00:00:51
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i Hey, kids. Yeah. It's all about the pictures. Today's hot. It's hot outside. Everybody's all over world. Yeah, we have to record it since Paul Rubin's past. I feel like we just need to collectively pour one out for Pee Wee Herman.
00:01:03
Speaker
Wait, dude, we talked about that. That was like four weeks ago. Okay. Yeah. I mean, but like... Dude, pour another one out. Rest in peace, homie. Yeah. like Do you
Favorite Concert Films and Live Performance Dynamics
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guys ever listen to the band? Yes. and another I saw that fucking show, The Last Dance, The Last Waltz.
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yep That's a good concert film. like i i Because that was directed by Scorsese, I think. like That was a like a solid concert movie. And they had every fucking guest like come out. There's a lot of motherfuckers in there. yeah Do you guys have any other favorite concert movies?
00:01:38
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movies is that a thing you guys ever got into not by like really i just wished that i've watched some like dvd specials of some of the bands i listen to i wish they would put more um effort effort into no everybody when they do like concert fucking a lot of times they'll do just like to just jam through the songs or something like that oh you wish they would add some comedic in yeah or like I don't know. You pick up on what's going on on stage. just There's a lot of things happening on on stage other than what's happening in the song.
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Yes. People forgetting parts, people pushing parts, or lagging behind, or like... fucking just shit going on and i i feel like that's part of the magic of watching a band play is like you know the henry rollins thing like oh nothing can go wrong up here like so much shit can go wrong up here and we're all just trying so desperately to not really show it yeah um or just trying to like like fucking keep up with what the hell's going on i just love that dynamic when you know i think it's lost in a lot of Did you guys watch any
AFI Origins and Davey Havoc's Style
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pandemic concerts?
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Speaker
Like through... Well, it's funny that you bring that up because I really... No, I didn't. But I really wanted to do the um Decades Live. Bad Religion did one. So they did the 80s, the 90s, the aughts, and the teens. Oh, that's cool.
00:02:58
Speaker
Yeah, and they played them at the... probably would palladium so no not the pladium even smaller spot the rocks roxy roxy oh cool and it was just for in front of cameras uh yeah i i think so okay so no live audience it was late 20 if not like winter of 21 so still in the thick of it okay yeah that's cool yeah i watched one i enjoyed it i thought yeah ah it was cool Actually, you know, when Northern Spark did their Northern Lights, when Northern Lights did their Northern Spark telethon.
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Yeah. That... was a fundraiser and they had a comedian and it had some shows. They had this band called 26 bats. They're a Minneapolis band and they played live. So I guess technically, yes.
00:03:45
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I saw one of those. Cool. Yeah. That band rips too. Yeah. yeah Well, we're talking about AFI and Tyler's the American film Institute, the American film Institute's third, third best album.
00:03:58
Speaker
stick to movies guys uh i never listened to afi before and i don't think i what's a fire inside yeah does anyone call them that or any of our calls them afi afi everyone calls me afi do they start off as a fire inside or was it always afi um i think one of their yeah i think one of their albums had fire inside on the cover if i remember correctly Hmm. Kind of a cool. Or maybe you was like a fucking seven inch or something.
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It was a cool fan name. Yeah. I feel like, you know, Davy Havoc, who is the brother of Davy Crockett. Yeah. And Johnny Appleseed. he's the nephew of Total Havoc.
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Carl Havoc. Too much fucking shit on me. God damn it. I don't even want to exist. Yeah.
Thematic Elements of 'Black Sails in the Sunset'
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Like you want to go away? That's a watch. I think you should leave now by Tim Robinson. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There you go. Um, what's I say about Davey? I mean, this is, this is where Tyler should talk, but like what sort of twisted yet uncanny and intelligent and mysterious weirdo is Davey Havoc.
00:05:12
Speaker
Because this song is all him, right? It's all him. Like he's like, think you a he's like a beautiful psychopath that just hasn't killed anybody yet, right? Yeah. and Like, have you guys seen his like social media?
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This motherfucker looks like George Michael, but has like, like some days he has only like, mullet dreads? I don't even know how to Like, he's got super long dreads just on the back and this, like, crazy short haircut in the front and he he shaved his eyebrows into awesome, like,
00:05:44
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Japanese animation, like eyebrows. Maybe it's like microblading where he had it tattooed. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I just want to note for the record that Tyler did not use air quotes when he said awesome eyebrows.
00:05:58
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No, this is like Davey Havoc all the way. If Davey Havoc came in to, I don't, I just love this guy. I love him to death. Fucking hooray for him. Wasn't he from your neck of the woods down south when you were down there, Tyler?
00:06:13
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Or no. Did I make that up? He's from Rochester, New York. Oh, there you go. Oh, wow. Kodak? David Pissarro is his real name. Well, don't call him that.
00:06:25
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Well. That's a weird...
AFI's Influence on Punk and Comparisons
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Do you think that was like changing his last name to something kind of edgy and dangerous and he chose Havoc? Maybe. i think he... i mean, I feel like AFI at first was very like...
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like hardcore all the songs were like funny songs but really he's a high school band you see and then they they like uh they like did covers of uh danzig not danzig off fucking losing my goddamn mind today well welcome misfits There you go.
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I think there's a lot ah love for Danzig happening. no, this this was, i mean, maybe it's just, I'm hearing all of your albums that you like, but this was the first one. I was like, this sounds like a Tyler album to me.
00:07:14
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More so than some of his other albums? Yeah, because it seems to combine and synthesize a lot of the stuff that we've listened to already on the list. Like Saweetie? like
00:07:26
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ah but You got the City Girls part of this? Oh. No. Did you hear that influence? Yeah. No, I didn't hear that one. That was an odd one. But yeah, I mean, it's got, it's punk, but there definitely is a little bit of metal-ish.
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The songs are exceptionally complicated in terms of the number of parts that they have, like tempo changes galore. i think that's one of the fucking- Got lots of chanting. Best parts of this whole album that they- That's what I'm saying. Like, I think everything I just said was your favorite part, which is- Sorry.
00:07:59
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Regertating myself. ah Dexter Holland was on the background vocals. Did you guys see that? Oh, that's an offspring dude. yeah Yeah, yeah. Well, they released this on his label. Yeah, yeah. Wait.
00:08:11
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On Epitaph. now What is this? What day is today? Nitro is Offspring's label? yeah yeah Even though Offspring was killing it on Epitaph. Dexter created his label. NoFX was on Epitaph while they...
00:08:28
Speaker
Had a bunch of artists on their, on fat records. The punk record label scene is just a pyramid scheme. It's just like, yeah, it all starts with Brett Gurwitz and Epitaph. Each one's like, no, if you start a label, you've got a certain line of credit and then we'll just run four more labels. Yes.
00:08:47
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Find four guys to run those labels and they start four labels. Could you imagine like the dinner, like Tupperware parties, but starting a record label. With like lift Liberty Spikes instead of Tupperware. It's just punk labels too.
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Holy shit. That's hilarious.
Lyric Interpretations and Humorous Mishearings
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All right, so the first song, the chanting in it, like I didn't read the lyrics, but what i heard was, dude, I'm bleing bleeding, bleeding lot.
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i I could not not hear that. Pretty much. I love this because when we've been going through all these albums, like now I have to reconcile the real lyrics with what I've been thinking were the real lyrics for the past 30 years of my life. hundred percent 100%. It's kind of been fucking me up a little bit because sometimes I like my version better, but yeah, this is.
00:09:42
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Duh. Dude, I'm bleeding. Bleeding. A lot. a good one. That's a fun, it's a fun way to start the album though.
00:09:59
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um Yeah. were Were they always this chanty? Did they always have like so many like sing along parts? I feel like they watched all of the Gothic episodes of DuckTales where they went back to Ireland.
00:10:09
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Wow. Got stuck in some cave or something. Wow. folkss where They were, they were very chanty. Hmm. I feel like hardcore, a lot of hardcore punk is very chanty.
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It's chanty with a chorus, but I feel like these guys mix it up more. Like it's sometimes it's like with this song, I don't know. It had like a queen feel to it almost like the we will rock you song. You know how that's just like a weird fade in chant. That's it.
00:10:35
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Yeah. It also is like a, it kind of reminds me of, you guys ever watch those like seventies, like Conan the Barbarian and like all those like sci-fi like cartoons though, right? No, no.
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The live action. The live action. Okay. Did they're like these really awful, like, like mythological stories that don't exist, but it's always like girl with huge titties and some dude with a bunch of muscles and like whatever.
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And um every time I watch these movies, like this part of this, like this, a lot of this music comes into my head because it's like, through the darkness brings a light. Oh, yes. Yes. It's like, I'm like, this is. That's some DuckTales shit right there. yeah Yeah. I don't know this period of DuckTales that you're referring to. It was the Gothic phase. DuckTales, man. is that Is that going to be our third season as cartoons? Yeah.
00:11:27
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Oh my. That would be a good one. That would be a good one. I feel like I could pick top 10 cartoons. That's what we're doing. Yeah.
00:11:36
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Oh, Tyler's like, I thought we were done. Season three. We just had a little sneak preview right there. Um, this This does have a I didn't pick up on the Conan Barbarian. For me, it's it was like medieval witch trial.
00:11:52
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like Yeah, I could go for that. total That was the the vibe I was picking on. Because I actually looked up... The first half the track listing on the first side a of this sounds like it's just a bunch of Harry Potter spells.
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and yes So I had to look this shit up to find out what it's like. Yeah, it's it's a yeah that that tracked with... a like weird sorcery, old school medicine, like shit going on. Oh yeah. Also I should preface this.
00:12:20
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um David Havoc has always been very straight edge and vegan. Good to know. He also had this really banging band. I forget the fucking name.
00:12:32
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They only made one record. It was like a straight edge band. Was it like the X X T S R X or whatever? Something. No, you are you thinking of Black Audio?
00:12:43
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No, one of Davy's bands. Oh, okay. XTRMST. Or was it, that was a straight edge band that he- Extremist? Oh, yes, yes. they had a They had a music video for one of their songs. It was fucking raging. It was super good.
00:12:58
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He also was in Son of Sam. Yeah, I actually like that. Yeah. Okay. ah You want walk us through this record, Tyler? I mean, hold on. Check yourself, Eric. Where did you first, like, where were you when you heard this? um Year 2000. The year 2000. 1999, apparently. well, I'm sure didn't hear until 2000. Yeah, had just moved Georgia. Not
Tyler's Personal History with AFI
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in 1999. were still here. In 2000. Yeah.
00:13:23
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yeah i had just moved to georgia okay not an andy nine yeah two thousand you were still here and two thousand Yeah, but this album came out in 99.
00:13:33
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Okay. He bought the album in 2000. and Oh, okay. Sorry. miss I probably bought it at a Circuit City. um When those existed, think that was my go-to for, yeah, rest in peace. Paul Rubens, Circuit City. Circuit City. Rest in peace. Sinead O'Connor.
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Comp USA. Comp USA was on my list. Wow. There we go. wow Can we have Montgomery Woods? Yeah. I liked, I'm trying to think, there was a, there was a, AFI was either on a snow, more I think it was a snowmower video. Yeah. I think that's where I picked that up. Macbeth Productions video.
00:14:14
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And I moved to Georgia, and I'm pretty sure I bought it at, like I said, Circuit City. um and Had you heard AFI before? Snowboard video. Yep.
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Yep. Just a song from a snowboard video. Yeah. first i think i i think I had this. I think the first one
AFI's Musical Evolution
00:14:32
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I got was Answer This and Stay Fashionable. And I think that was 96, 7, somewhere around there. What a cool kid. But this was the first.
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This was a big deal compared to their other albums. There were a lot more slower parts. like The songs were all serious. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and that was the, that's everything I wanted from AFI when I heard AFI. He's got such a distinct voice. He really does. Yeah. and love it or hate it. I, ah if you listen to it enough, you love it.
00:14:59
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um And he's like, this is the pivotal album for them because he's starting to go in this way of mixing in slower, more melodic shit and using his singing voice versus,
00:15:12
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There's like ranting, screaming. I don't know what you want to call it, but scream out. heat I mean, scream out came out in the next year to two years. I feel like because of these guys. Really?
00:15:23
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i don't think because of, I think congruent. Okay. Yeah. the But they, everybody. Okay. So here's, here's, here's my, here's why I disagree with that.
00:15:35
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The bands that came directly after this, and maybe they'd formed the year prior or whatever, but they miraculously got record deals. They all, and I will, I could get some albums cause I've got all my CDs here. Like this band fucking keepsake.
00:15:50
Speaker
And like, it's all like, and then yeah you and and then it's like all this soft that was a very good keepsake cover thanks man um and i feel like it all popped off after this but these guys didn't go away all this other shit just turned into like Yeah, it was a phase. Bad emo. I don't know. Like, other other stuff was a phase. Yeah, that's a great way putting it. AFI still around putting out albums or no?
00:16:19
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. To lesser success. but Sure. that's That's kind of just expected. They're kind of in a... um They're in holding pattern? Yeah, they're in a holding pattern right now. They're trying to figure out...
00:16:34
Speaker
What's with Davey's hair? Yeah, pretty much. No, they they have gone pretty mellow. And I feel like all of their songs that are bangers are the jams. And they keep putting out these songs, which maybe the audience needs to catch up with what they're doing.
00:16:51
Speaker
that are more dancey and more like, I don't i want to say blah, but they're pretty blah. And their other, you know, they their last album, I think had two fucking bangers on them and they're so good. and the other ones are, I don't know. I bet they're, they're caught up with these asshole audience members like myself that like, i want AFI, AFI, like only their sound that I particularly like and nothing else. And yeah, okay i I mean, that happens with any band that hangs around for this long, honestly. Because what happened is as soon as they put out this album, I guarantee you there were original AFI fans that were bitching. And they were like, I just want the old AFI. What are they doing now? And so...
00:17:32
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ah I ah kind of applaud a band that is still putting out new music and trying to mix it up a little bit because they're, don't know, they're getting new audiences that way.
00:17:43
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yeah Otherwise, you just have the same people that come and die. I now remember the album refused the sound of pump punk to come or the shape of punk to come. the shape of That was 98. That was about the same year. i would argue that one was more...
00:17:58
Speaker
Refused blew up hard. i everybody I remember everybody showing me, look, you heard of this? I'm like, God, this shit's again. like But no, but that was like the huge, so and that album is so fucking good. I don't want to listen to it ever. but um Yeah, it's it's weird, but like I remember it pushing like the boundaries, the edges of my own brain and comprehending like what was punk, what was other music.
00:18:24
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EC, you see ever listen to this? No. you There you EC, you have to listen to it. Is that a mix or what? No. but That's a band. The band is refused. yeah you This is an essential part of your musical experience. Okay. Tyler, tell me if I'm way off here.
00:18:44
Speaker
I think if you are a music fan, and I think that you are, even if you wouldn't listen to it now, you, and you were like our age, you would admit that the postal service album absolutely captured a singular moment in time and created avenues for other people to do what it did.
00:19:07
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I would put this with there. However, it was just less digestible on a mass culture area ah time. like you You got to give it a good lesson. Yeah. I'm looking at the Wikipedia, their third album, 1998, The Shape of Punk to Come, was both a commercial and critical failure.
00:19:24
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with little media coverage and mixed reception from fans and critics alike. Some even refused to rate it because of its stylistic divergence. Wow.
00:19:35
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They even canceled their tour halfway through. It seems like a controversial album, guys. Dude, it it was a thing, though. Yeah, it's a... rager and a banger and so weird in some places. But um also in this album, also like that Refused album, we start to have some sort of semblance of like electronic music.
00:19:59
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Like where? Well, I think part of it was just in that album. Oh, in this, in this album where is that noise album, this guitar, there's a guitar solo part where they like,
00:20:12
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don't fucking know yeah i know what saying along with those weird electronic sounds in that strung out album i mean there was like yeah yeah i think there was you know culturally even the punk bands are like oh what is the future like right plastics plastics uh i wouldn't say something a hot take because i feel like you guys kind of ran away with this um where this sits in the canon of AFI stuff. Like I have no fucking clue.
00:20:39
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Dude. So right after this was the all hollows EP, which is only like a four song EP, I think. And it was definitely my favorite release of theirs.
00:20:50
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But then directly after that was the art of drowning. And there's actually a ah CD EP that came out somewhere in between here. And I had to dig up the actual CD and then look at what I liked in this album.
00:21:05
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And this EP is Malaeus Maleficarum. I fucking can't say that shit. God. Don't say all of them. Something's going to appear three times. God called in sick today and the prayer position.
00:21:19
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And I'm looking at the songs I hearted and it's those three songs. Yeah. Somebody was able to. so And I feel like those were like the biggest divergent from who they were. and they were the best songs.
00:21:30
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Yeah. In my. In my mind. I disagree, but we'll get to. Oh, shit Okay. Um, Tyler, are you want to walk us through the album?
00:21:42
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I can't say the names much. Yeah. Well, someone else's got to sound stupid besides just me. There's XB. Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious is number three.
Track Analysis and Thematic Progression
00:21:54
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wish the song names. This is why my band always names the songs like super simple. Well, it's strength through wounding. That's the one. That's the chanty beginning. Yeah, and then the number song number two.
00:22:07
Speaker
Porphyria. Porphyria. That's like a weird physical condition. It's like a your your blood's making too much blood, and then it goes into exsanguination, which is bloodletting.
00:22:18
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Oh, weird. Oh, come on, Davey. When I started reading this, I was like, oh, is this like a concept album? about Because then the fourth song, Malaeus Maleficarum, that's an actual book written by a guy in the 1400s. Beezlebub.
00:22:39
Speaker
That wanted to kill witches, basically. Oh, shit. It's a book like pretending to be official church oh i love that but it's not he's it's just him like he hates women and wants to hurt them all yes he was like turned down at some point it's just an asshole in the it's like yep i did this i think pretty sure that's what the bible actually is it's just a bunch of like grievances aired hating on women yep yeah And it's like, hey, I know how to write.
00:23:11
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Yes. Right. And not a lot of people do write at this moment in time. Exactly. so so But then it that narrative kind of like stopped for me. But I don't know.
00:23:23
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i i I started to like the album with Malleus Maleficarum. That was the first song I was like, okay. that's Sounds pretty good. That's my first favorite. Obviously, I named the three favorites. And that's the one that made me think of...
00:23:38
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my inspired by track oh she yeah yeah so my inspired by track is the four horsemen on 1983's kill em all album from metallica
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Who's catching a dog?
00:24:28
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it'll choose me now! Time should feel the pain, now you've got some company!
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Go.
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I stole on you, the lines that crack your face. Bad man mighty, it has to improve, withered in every place. Pass the line, what you have to endure, what you have but others through.
00:27:06
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Death, deliverance for you for sure, now there's nothing
00:28:48
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Gather round your warriors now! Battle of your speed! Healing scrolls, even stars! Now is the death of the
00:30:57
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That was The Four Horsemen off of Metallica's Kill Em All album from 1983. Epic metal song. Yeah, seven minutes of just beauty. That's a lot of song. It's a lot of minutes.
00:31:11
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What exactly it was what reminded you of AFI in this music?
Musical Inspirations and Band Comparisons
00:31:16
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Um, I don't know that it reminded me of AFI. I feel like, I mean, that's kind of the whole point of why you might've picked it for this. as Well, no, it's AFI inspired me.
00:31:28
Speaker
Oh, okay. To think of something else. Sorry. What? Wait, did I, have I been doing this round the whole, the whole season? I think so. Inspired you to do something else. Yeah.
00:31:43
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ah So this album me want to run. I just think of like.
00:31:55
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It's got some vibes. It's got similar. It has. It's like the origin of like epic. and Sure. Metal vibes. Well, we think Iron Maiden possibly preceding. Yeah. But there was something in the air with metal bands at this point. Yeah.
00:32:10
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And I just don't think that you can start a band like AFI without having had a deep and sincere, if maybe temporary, but appreciation for early Metallica.
00:32:23
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, some of the songs on this record kind of like blend from one to the next and gives them that epic quality. And like I said, for the first half, I thought this was a concept record. yeah Like the content. i mean i would And I wouldn't say the same thing about a No Effects or a Lagwagon or No Use for a Name or a Millen Collin. Yeah, those are all come commentary bands, basically. yeah But a band like this, is or like maybe even Good Riddance,
00:32:51
Speaker
um Dare I even say a ten early 10-foot pole? I feel like those bands- Dare you. Oh my god. dear dare. Yeah, that 10-foot pole was void of- abstract thought. That first fucking album though was... think a lot of punk rock is void of abstract thought. No, that's it. that's a Yeah, this is... it Yeah, know you're exactly right. In this album, the lyric quality, while being a little high school poetry, yeah it still feels like he's trying to be artful and thoughtful with the words.
00:33:24
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So I ah give him some credit there. If Davey Havoc whispered all the lyrics to this... Oh, I'd suck his dick....really close to your face... You would think this is the greatest poetry.
00:33:35
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don't know. I'd have to see his eyebrows first. What stage is his eyebrows in? don't know. Seven.
00:33:46
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I just love it on a ri scale or i need more friends like Davey Havoc. I don't know what ah want to with it. you have any friends like Davey Havoc? I'm trying. Davey, Davey Havoc.
00:34:00
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Narrative Soul Against Soul is, I think, one of the better songs on this record. You like that one? do. Really? Yeah, it's the one where I feel like his voice, because he does have a very specific sounding voice, it's the one where his voice feels most appropriate to my ears. Okay. It doesn't stand out as much, and it actually reminded me of my Inspired by Track.
00:34:23
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oh Oh, wow. You guys are really getting them, aren't you? Yeah, we're knocking them out. So I want to listen to... What are we fucking listening to? ah Younger Us by Japandroids.
00:35:48
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You are wild and free
00:37:15
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I've been free
00:38:02
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So that was Japandroids with Younger Us. I think there was the sort of chanty vocal chorus as well as the, don't know. It was definitely way more like verse, chorus, verse type structure than anything from the Hi-Fi album. Yeah.
00:38:22
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yeah A little bit distorted vocals and we were yeah kind of commenting about that period of time when a lot of bands were doing the distorted vocals part. I think one of the Strong Out albums I picked had a distorted vocal song and it was the worst song On that album, it was also one of the worst songs that Strung on I ever did. The whole p song was just mediocre, and I feel like they put distortion on it try to make it sound like something.
00:38:47
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it was it was like an Instagram filter for music back then. i mean i think it kind of still is. yeah did Every time like a new feature or a new technology come out, is it is it the rule that people just use it too much and it just becomes...
00:39:02
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obsolete i'm thinking video toaster dude like when we would get new like intros or if there was like a disc that got loaded like a type that's never gone out of style video toaster is that's the coolest fucking shit if you still have a video toaster right now and you're editing tapes on that you could probably charge like ten thousand dollars an hour i want that job i i want that job too because i can actually do that job i know exactly how to get that handicap wipe going across the screen wow
00:39:37
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Do you remember that person in the wheelchair? It was a wipe with just a fucking fur of wheelchair going across from A to B. And then there was the sheep one and you could set... And they just fill up like yeah snow. But yeah you could set the timer on it so the wipe, the entire wipe. And we did this during the fucking morning announcements at more than once.
00:39:55
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And we set the wipe to be one minute. And it sort of takes a minute for the sheep tur to pile up and cover the screen and then disappear. Yeah.
00:40:07
Speaker
That is a fucking, it's one of the best inventions. One of the best inventions since the internet. i I'm surprised there's not an app that just simulates video toaster. There you go. I'm going to look it up right now.
00:40:21
Speaker
EC needs to develop the video toaster add-on for Instagram. Oh, well I mean, right. That would be fucking filter. Yeah. Holy shit. Anyway, have to beep that one out. It's just in case the what zero people that listen to our podcast steal your idea and, uh, you know, see it to fruition. Yes. We got to protect all the IP we're giving away for free in this podcast.
00:40:49
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Um, yeah. Soul against soul was pretty slow. I like that one. Um, The next one, Clove, Smoke, catalorsis Catharsis. Catharsis.
00:40:59
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That's one of the jams on this one. That's the one that kind of starts to tip their hat that it they might start writing really epic ballads to me. now it That was the one that. Yeah. Yeah. The build on the intro. Exactly. It's like, here, let me take you on a 600 page book to.
00:41:15
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um Witch burning. Pretty much. um And then that brings it to my favorite song, which is the Prayer Position. Oh, man. The fucking intro to that song is... Okay. dear they me Exactly. No, a man, that song's so fucking good. And when they play that shit live, it's just like such a buildup to it, and like it hits so hard. It's like my favorite one of my favorite AFI songs.
00:45:13
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That was prayer position off of this album. I fucking love this album. This album. This album. You know, hopefully you remember which album we were talking about. my god, Black Sails and the Sunset, AFI. This is good. This is awesome. It was the worst song on the record.
00:45:33
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Was it really? No way. It's the one that reminded me. So when at the first, probably two listens, I had a real hard time like separating this album from what I think of as nu metal.
00:45:44
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Oh, no. And that song was the one that like made me think of it the most. I was like, oh, yeah, this could totally be fucking Linkin Park. Oh, wow.
00:45:55
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Yeah, there was there was something. that are That's a harsh. Was there rapping in this? Is there rapping? No, there wasn't rapping. Did you want rapping? I did not want rapping.
00:46:06
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ah Please do not rap. ah But that was the one that made me think of it the most. So yeah, I don't know. That was my least favorite song on this record. It's interesting.
00:46:18
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Sorry. I mean, you ruined the podcast. Yeah, that's okay. Sorry, Tyler, if you want to come over and cry. ah can just going to go listen to Davey whisper in my ear.
00:46:31
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Davey Havoc.
00:46:34
Speaker
Yeah. Dude, I'm cry crying, crying
00:46:41
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You see, he's just going to re-record this album with his own lyrics. I figured he already did. Yeah. I know a lot of like like modern, like really famous songs. You can buy the the tracks and without the lyrics. You can buy basically the whole studio. um Really?
00:46:58
Speaker
Yes. And then you can re-record or do whatever you want with it, like your own mixes and stuff like that. No way. But you can't. That'd be really funny to do it for some of these songs. Yes. i'm I'm sure they don't. ah It's not available. Well, I mean, that's like, I feel like we discussed recently the the app feature now where you can just do mute the vocals.
00:47:20
Speaker
Like just do that. AI just figures it out. You can mute the vocals. On what? Like on iTunes, on my Apple Music. Oh, wow. All all music?
00:47:31
Speaker
Yeah. Like i was I was doing it on the Bad Religion album the other week. I just muted out Greg Graffin. Like it just took his voice out and then it's just the song and it shows the lyrics.
00:47:43
Speaker
<unk> So it's like it's full karaoke mode for any song you want. And that's in Apple. That was in Apple Music, yeah. Holy fuck. Yeah, I was, and I didn't know if it was a thing that bands have to- did you record those Bad Religion songs? Yeah, I did. I just slowed it away. Could you Oh my God.
00:48:01
Speaker
My ambidextrous destiny is coming for the- My ambidextrous destiny? That sounds like a fucking Bad Religion. Oh my God. My ambidextrous destiny.
00:48:14
Speaker
Well, it could go either way. Yeah, I guess it could. Holy shit. All right. For me, the second half of this album was it did kind of slog a little bit.
00:48:26
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and And maybe not slog, it just none of the songs stood out as as special as some of the songs on the first side, save for the last one. Actually, the second to last one has like, I don't know if you call it a hook, but like, or one of the greatest fucking lines. I almost thought it was like part of a cover or something.
00:48:45
Speaker
What if I go to sleep for days? Oh, and then you count the hours. Yeah, would you count the hours? I feel like that's a like some freaks old famous, it's like such a good like line. It's like, where the fuck did that come from? feel like I heard it before or something. It's a good line.
00:49:00
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um And then the last one, obviously, God Called In Sick Today is a good ballad. What a good name for a song, too. Yeah, yeah. Dude, so sick.
00:49:12
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Did you guys listen a Secret Song,
Hidden Tracks and Album Artwork
00:49:13
Speaker
too? Yeah. Yeah. It's not so much a secret when they put it in the title. yeah oh Oh, Hidden Track. Well, fucking hide it. Don't announce that it's hidden. Well, it wasn't Hidden Track when it when this album came out. It was just on a CD. and not like that but yeah Just take leave the fucking name off it and then, oh, what's this weird 13-minute song?
00:49:36
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In title, yeah, there's only 12 songs and it's 13 minutes and 31 seconds. The last one. Do you pay by the second for the upload? and They're like, God damn, we really got to commit to this secret track idea, guys. Yeah.
00:49:52
Speaker
and what yeah How hilarious was that back in the day? The phenomenon of the hidden track. Yeah, like, we're going to do hidden track on this, right? Yeah, how many minutes do you think we should put in there? Do you remember the pre-hidden tracks?
00:50:08
Speaker
Where you would have to rewind? Yeah, and there would be secret tracks before the CD, too. Oh, you don't even know about this, Tyler? Before the first song. If you hit play, and then you instantly start doing reverse.
00:50:20
Speaker
Yep, it goes back. It can have... It can have like up to 16 minutes before. How does it know to stop there when you rewind it? No, when you... so You just rewind to the very beginning. Yeah, you don't hit the like button that goes to the next track because there's no track.
00:50:36
Speaker
It's like the backwards... No, know cassettes. Yeah, so you get the cassette and it was... feel like this is a good how-to. We should do this with how to rewind a VCR tape. No, no. So you get a cassette and you press play.
00:50:49
Speaker
But if you were to press rewind and then press play, there would be a song before it? No, you don't even have to press play. You just hold down rewind yeah until it starts playing again. And it would you know maybe go twice as fast as actual time, but that's it. So if it's like 16 minutes of extra track, you're holding that button down for eight minutes until you get to the beginning.
00:51:08
Speaker
Because it's like a rewind, not a track selection. Yeah. That's God, trying think of an album that had that. I know I had a few. Was it? Yeah. Did Ween do one?
00:51:20
Speaker
No. the I remember Nirvana had a post, like a ah traditional secret track on Nevermind. Yep. And Cracker, that band. I remember on Cracker. Wow. No, just Cracker. Cracker. That band, they had they had like 99 tracks on their album and like, you know, 70 of them were blank.
00:51:39
Speaker
But every now and then you would get to ah every now short song. and then. That sounds like a great... My mouse keeps dying. it was a fun idea. I don't know. But it was this time period, ah like 1998 to 2002, where people were like, which secret tracks on the CD. is That's all we're going to Holy shit.
00:52:00
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It was good. um I would say this album has one of the better album covers out of most punk bands that I've seen. Like it's actually, it's it looks good.
00:52:12
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actually don't like it. Really? Yeah. I just never really liked any of AFI's earlier. Oh, wow. This one's kind like classy. It's got a good typeface and it's ah over a nice like woodcut piece of art. Yeah, i was going to say it does look like a woodcutter.
00:52:26
Speaker
Linoleum. Maybe a linoleum cut. Do you guys all do that in art class? Yeah. Dude, that was the best. And you stab your hand. Oh, dude. I remember the mat.
00:52:38
Speaker
Matt K. Yeah, yeah. he i mean He just fucking like it slipped and just went right into it. And he just looked at me and blood was gushing out the table. And I had to walk him to the i could i walk him to the nurse's office because he was about to pass out. Like he could not support himself.
00:52:57
Speaker
Oh my God. It was fucking comical. with that I'm pretty sure they don't do linoleum cuts anymore and in high school. just have to wear a chain mesh glove. I would hope they would still do that. It's a super cool art form.
00:53:09
Speaker
It is a really cool Very approachable. It's not too far out of around. Yeah, that's definitely something you can do at home. ah We're on our top three, Tucker, and you are up next. Well, hey.
00:53:21
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Hi. I didn't say hi. I said, hey. We haven't been talking about like what we've been listening to or anything. The Dodos. Oh, The Dodos. They don't say.
00:53:33
Speaker
Yeah. Listen to them. The old ass band from am I thinking of? 2000. I'm thinking of the birds. Late 2000s. Oh, you're thinking of the birds. Wow.
00:53:46
Speaker
Good connection. Yeah, they've just been showing up in some of my recommended mixes lately and I've been digging them. Not new music at all. Like they were late 2000s. But solid fucking music.
00:53:57
Speaker
What about you? I've been listening to a lot of Tennis. They came out with a new album this spring, but I've been listening to them for quite a while. and Just this couple.
00:54:08
Speaker
T-E-N-N-I-S? Yeah. Super digestible. What, synthy? No, it's like
00:54:19
Speaker
alternative pop i guess i don't know like indie pop maybe is my best way to do it no um listen to that a lot and then every fucking album in the bad religion discography after my last pick yeah i'm like in a loop right now it's bad it's really bad can't wait and they have like 17 albums i cannot break away No, they've been, I mean, a lot this shit has been popping up in my, like, just when it goes to random, you know, it just feeds you stuff you've been listening to and, you hearing lots of weird shit. Keeps feeding you, feeding you. In fact, that Offspring Pretty Fly for a White Guy song came up. God damn it. Jesus Christ. I know. I was like, wow, this this is what it sounds like when a band sells out.
00:55:08
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This is proof that AI doesn't doesn't work, is that they can't get my fucking sound auto playlist right. Ever.
00:55:19
Speaker
Ever.
Current Music Recommendations
00:55:20
Speaker
I don't like Rancid. I'm never going to like Rancid. I don't like fucking Ska. I've never willingly played a Ska song in my entire goddamn life. You've been to like a Frenzel Rum or a Les and Jake show.
00:55:33
Speaker
Skank and Pickle. Does AI, does my Spotify know that I went to a show in 1998? No. Yes, it does. Wow. The master AI. yeah yeah Fucking Christ. That was one our original chicken pox vaccines. Oh, gross. Wow. There was chicken in the chicken pox vaccine. 100% white meat, dude. Hot take.
00:55:56
Speaker
hundred percent likeny dude hot Microchips and the COVID. Chicken in the chicken box. Dude, you need write a country song about that. That's the only time you ate and getting shot in a small town.
00:56:14
Speaker
Ralph Lauren and the Polo-Yo vaccine. Next week's episode... next week's episode oh tucker Tucker recovers from his frontal lobotomy and his fucking stroke I tell you about the stroke I just had that's why he shaved his head dude he's getting ready he's suffering some serious brain surgery holy shit I love it okay yeah what are we listening to yeah what's happening next week yeah
00:56:50
Speaker
you're picking the records I love this album so much i love this album so much that i would put it in one two and three and it's not like anything on the rest of my list oh it is madonna the bodyguard soundtrack oh that would be there's some fucking jam i am wearing my whitney shirt so christ we're we're in the right spot there no this was this was a This was a life changing album as a 15 year old.
00:57:26
Speaker
And it did not compute with what I was supposed to be listening to at the time, kind of like Morphine, but way further down the line. It is the very first solo album from one of the most lyrically gifted songs.
00:57:43
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of the Wu-Tang Clan members. It is Jizz's Liquid Swords from 1995. Dang.
Preview of Next Episode on Jizza's 'Liquid Swords'
00:57:50
Speaker
I was wondering if it was going to be this album or Illmatic.
00:57:54
Speaker
Oh, yeah. that would That would be up there, too. Cool. And i I haven't listened to Liquid Swords as much as I have Illmatic, so I'm excited dive deep into this.
00:58:05
Speaker
This is the other album, like my Bad Religion Deathloop that I'm on that I just listened to so much recently, but I couldn't say it. Yeah. But holy shit. Did anyone think Jizz's name was like slang for jizzer, like a guy that just jizzed on things? No, it's short the genius.
00:58:22
Speaker
I know, but still, his name's the Jizza. Never went there with the cum thing. I feel like if you tried to play that off now, most people would think that. Yeah, we'll just go straight to cum.
00:58:37
Speaker
is the jizzer.
00:58:44
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Jesus Christ.
00:58:47
Speaker
so ah im go think Hey, Larry, what are you doing this weekend? and I'm going to go to the show. What show? don't want to talk about it. The jizzer. ah The jizzer.
00:59:02
Speaker
You gotta start laughing first and in a really awkward way. Wow. Alright. So join us next week as we discuss Tucker's third favorite album of all time, The Jizzers.
00:59:17
Speaker
Liquid Swords from 1995. Dude, Liquid Swords, dude. Yes, I'm looking forward to it. There's a meaning there. Oh, that's dessert. Oh, that totally is. Liquid Swords is just a cum. Yes.
00:59:30
Speaker
It's like Pearl Jam. It's Pearl Jam now. Gross. All right, join us as we talk about Tucker's... Pearl Jelly or Pearl Jam? Third favorite album of all time. It's all about cum. Bye.
00:59:42
Speaker
Fuck you.