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Join Dave, Jake, and special guest dmooch as they talk about Magic: The Gathering, practical effects, a certain chalice dungeon in Bloodborne, Armored Core, and games we bought from Walmart in this week's episode!
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Introduction with Humor
00:00:36
Speaker
you How's it going, everyone? Welcome to another episode of Soapstone. My name is Jake. I am joined by my co-host as always, Dave. How's it going tonight, Dave? And I'm joined by my co-host as sometimes, Dimooch. How's it going tonight, Dimooch? I'm actually Dave tonight. Oh. ah So, you know, Dave, if we can like restart the podcast over so I can say hi, my name is Dave. Gotcha. How's it going, and everyone? Welcome to another episode of Soapstone. My name is Jake and I'm joined by my co-host as always, Dave. How's it going tonight, Dave?
00:01:12
Speaker
Hi, Jake. My name's Dave. nice I'm definitely Dave. I would have gone more nasally, but I don't know how my voice sounds to other people. It sounds very manly and very ah erotic. Ladies, I am single. please Please write in. His phone number is... Oh, they have been. I filter all of that. out don't don't Don't worry about it, Dave. I got your back.
Magic: The Gathering Experiences
00:01:40
Speaker
Yeah. it's ah It's nice to have you back on the podcast. I feel like I've been interacting with you three days in a row now because it was like gym and then we played magic last night online with some people. Yeah, dave's Dave's been getting ah more of a dose than ah of demooch than mostly anyone right now, to be honest. And I don't know if that's ah a blessing or a curse as he remains silent and opens his eyes very widely.
00:02:14
Speaker
Look down, nod slowly. yeah we ah you know we've been We've been hanging out. ah Magic is becoming more of a part of my life recently. yeah ah I've been playing MTGA, which it's online version. and we you know We have a lot of friends who have been playing that for a couple of years, including myself, ah but I've only just recently got into Commander, which involves the actual paper cards. Yeah, which it wasn't that long ago that I told my wife, you know what? I have a lot of hobbies and I don't think I'm ever going to buy a magic cards. And here I am. I just bought a deck just so ah Dave could have a pre-con, which is a pre-constructed deck to play with because his first game with us as a group, he just annihilated us all. Yeah, it's the magic problem. The deck I've had.
00:03:12
Speaker
Yeah, it's very hard to ah balance decks. um Unless you're playing with like a ah heavy play group that's like been playing for a while, and they're like, oh, this is we put in the most broken shit that we can. um And you just try and counter everybody's stuff to get more board state. Jake, have have you played Magic at all? What's your experience like? my My experience is brief. um I played other aye digital trading card games, most notably Hearthstone, but I did have, for a brief period of time, a paper precondack. But I had already played Hearthstone at this point for a while, and I realized, like, I gotta shuffle a lot. that was there were there were The two main factors was kind of like the barrier to entry, because a lot of people picked up Magic, I think, in college.
00:03:59
Speaker
yeah and they were like they're popping off they've got their nerd clubs all that jazz i understand i was also in a nerd club um but in the same way that you got like destroyed by dave's deck like massive deck like the issue was coming into magic the people who were playing around me all were very very advanced and i was like How how are you using cards on someone else's turn? Like that doesn't yeah that doesn't make sense. Explain that to me. you Yeah, it's you definitely want to start off with like some basic magic first, which is like, hey, here are the basic rules and just work on like turn phases, combat, and then you get into the fuzzy nitty gritty.
00:04:45
Speaker
um I don't think it's that complicated though. You just need to read what's on the card hard and essentially go off of that. but It's the most complicated thing. The presumption is also like, I know all of the mechanics that they can have on cards right now. ah hu um Well, every the the issue is every mechanic that exists in magic has a comma and then unless otherwise stated, yeah every single thing that can happen. It is an invisible ink, but that is also true.
00:05:17
Speaker
And at least, you know, my hard disagree was I've been playing MTGA for years and there's still, you know, I came into commander and I was like, okay, this is just more players. I'm playing the same game. Just everybody has more life. and then And then at least you know playing online, you don't have to worry about knowing like who has priority or whatnot because the computer figures that all out for you. That's true. ah Like last night, um Dave had died, spoilers. I was going to listen to that, but okay. I had created a 1010 Eldrazi. And of course, it was the target of a lot of people.
00:06:04
Speaker
And ah one person went to eliminate it. And someone had an artifact token that allowed for two tap to copy any token. And this person already targeted me with their effect to kill it. But he's like, wait, I want to talk i want I want to copy that. So it was like some back and forth over. Well, you wouldn't have said you wanted to copy it until I told. So there was like. you know, back and forth. And at the end of the day, this was a four hour long game. Uh, so, uh, Dave, Dave thankfully got out after what, maybe like a little over two hours. an hour now chain Yeah. Yeah. So, um, yeah, that that that that's, that's the problem. The, the games can take a long time. Uh, I have to ask, cause I do follow magic lore.
00:06:56
Speaker
um I don't remember the exact card, but...
Magic Strategies and Lore
00:07:00
Speaker
Was it one of the big ones? It's it's one of the new ones. Okay. On tap, he creates a 10-10 token. Oh. And ah he had ward, which means you have to pay the ward cost if you target him specifically. And the ward was, well, you have to sacrifice ah something that has at least one mana. But ah for those who really don't care about magic, They've already gone it's fine you you can go as hard as you want The the deck coming out next month Bloomberg
00:07:40
Speaker
is ah something I'm trying to use to entice my lovely wife to play ah because it is all based off of little fuzzy animals. So cute little rabbits and squirrels and otters and ah raccoons and a whole bunch of other stuff. And there's a deck that I have preordered that's a black green deck, which she had advised me when she was in college, she played a black deck with all of y'all. And she said, if she ever wanted to play again, it would have to be a black deck. And this is a black squirrel deck. And I I don't know if I'm going to be able to convince her, but you know, if there was a way to do it, it's with this set because it's probably one of the most cutesy ah sets I've ever seen from magic. and Yeah, the yeah I got to jump in because Dave, as soon as I let him start talking about magic, I'm going to be able to leave.
00:08:39
Speaker
Yeah. Talking about cutesy decks and when I was playing, or not when I was playing, that lends me far too much credit. I think I played literally one time, and then I was like, Dave, I'm so sorry. But Feldergriff, that was my group hug goal back when I was thinking of playing EDH. So which, based on your face, you don't know the term group hug. So I will explain for you and the audience. Group hug is in a commander game. It's basically the political play. It's like, hey, I'm going to draw cards. You can draw cards. We'll gain life. It's a bunch of beneficial effects for everybody at the table. So you're less likely to target them because you're also getting benefits. Right.
00:09:21
Speaker
You don't want them to stop giving you a card draw and stuff like that. It technically did have a win condition and it was basically like hug too hard. You're just like, just mill. Everybody just smells like after a hundred cards we've milled. Uh-huh, yeah. Kind of hard to mill out, I guess, a hundred card deck, but doable, doable. But either part of that is because I think I intrinsically wanted to push back about how competitive people can get for Commander. And like every like you could look at any story of somebody trying to start magic and they're playing with someone who's already established and they're like, I showed up.
00:10:00
Speaker
and then I played land, and then I lost, and it took 30 minutes, right? Yeah, I've been trying to get more familiar with just like watching different people play on YouTube. And um i've I've been watching Charlie Moise Critical has a has a yeah ah ah show called Skill Checked. And ah they had one episode where they all wore shock collars, and they had a ref. And anytime they did something incorrectly, which wasn't in line with the rules, they would get shocked. And ah the ref also specifically made all of their commander decks. So it was like constant.
00:10:43
Speaker
upkeep so like one commander they had to draw and gain to life every turn and Just it it was it was just it was great um And I feel like that's that's probably the most aggressive way to sort of learn the rules so yeah Pavlovian yeah Pavlovian for certain um with the little Bell draw card But yeah, that that's been fun um I will say I've enjoyed magic for many years because I did actually start in college. I played a. It's like a small local tournament, I think with like a some nerd group and I actually won the tournament and I was like, oh, I should.
00:11:24
Speaker
Maybe play more magic, especially getting some boosters, yada, yada. Um, I ended up getting some cards from people over time. And then at some point I'm like, this is too much. Um, cause you spend a lot of time and a lot of money. ah Trying to get ah physical copies of stuff and while I did enjoy my time with it I needed to Just stop and kind of sell off not sell off. I just gave stuff away. It says I didn't want the hassle um So I still have my one commander deck that exists um But I am debating on buying one of the new precon so that I can like just play with people I'd like an Relatively even playing field. I think that's that's what I wanted to chain into
00:12:08
Speaker
Oh, what about and ah in three months? There's another sec coming up. No, I'm all right. I don't want to get back into it. It's kind of a great balancing of the play field a little bit. If you like, you all get pre-cons from the same deck. And I mean, you'll obviously, you'll still get destroyed as a newbie because you can play turns on other people or play cards on other people's turns. Sometimes you can play turns on other people's cards. That's the weird thing, but unless otherwise stated. um But what was that card? It was like for glory or something like that. Allows you to take another turn, makes your creatures invulnerable, and then you lose the game.
00:12:48
Speaker
i i i I've been loving some I've been getting magic algorithm now stuff on Instagram reels ah hu and ah there was there's there's just a card that ah Wipes all permanence and brings everybody's ah Life to one and it's like a a sorcery card and their commander basically says on attack Draw cards until you get a non land card. So someone's deck was literally this commander 98 lands one sorcery Just just to mess with them
00:13:29
Speaker
It by the way, doing those types of strats are fucking evil. There's a I forget what what the card is. I know it's ah black, but basically it says, hey, for every card that you discard, create a two to zombie creature token. um And they found they had something of a similar effect to seek for a non land card. So they had all these lands, um but they also had something to essentially draw their deck. So they they draw their deck, they discard everything and then they have this zombie army and then they beat you in the face. um But that's one of the things I like about magic is like, if you watch Baby's first game of magic, you're like, OK, I'm maybe picking up some mechanics. There's monsters and power and toughness. um But I really like the alternate win conditions of like, hey, you know, it'd be funny.
00:14:20
Speaker
Like one of my earliest decks was dark steel reactor, which is an indestructible artifact. And if it had 20 counters on it, you win the game. So you find ways to put more counters on it, move it, proliferate, double counters, anything like that. um But like people know that your win condition pretty early on. It's like, um I know i's see what he's doing. um But it's fun to try and get away with that stuff or try and do something different and unique because they're just an infinite number of cards. It's like cheese in a video game. Like, you know, sometimes using a cheat code is fun, but you don't always want to use a cheat code. I feel like a deck like that is a little bit of a cheat code, ah you know, but
Nostalgia and Practical Effects
00:15:00
Speaker
you don't, you don't want to play a video game where on the first level you do that. L one R one up, down, left, right, AB, whatever. just and And you're just like infant ammo can't lose health. And like that but that's boring. Right. Once you've like completed the game though, you know,
00:15:18
Speaker
That's fun. And and I kind of miss cheat code stuff like that. You don't get like big head mode anymore. Yeah, there's um ah the the thing I will say to magic's credit because I do kind of I love that magic exists and it's amazing to consume magic content. I really enjoy it. Like ah the the card that I mentioned was part of a deck that I learned about like five years ago called Rainbow Lich. And it's just the stuff that you can do in Magic is so weird. like And in in Dave's case, like what you with your example is kind of like, okay, my strategy is kind of non-interaction in a way. I'm gonna put the walls up and then trust. like I'm gonna be doing things behind these walls and if you let it go far enough, I win the game, right? It's playing, it's very much a control deck or a turtle build if this was RTS.
00:16:14
Speaker
um but there's there's so much nonsense you can do there. There was a, I'm gonna call him friend of the show because I freaking love the channel on YouTube. If you guys haven't seen it, check it out. It's more entertaining than listening to us right now. Rhystic Studies. Oh yeah, so good. And there's the pause on the podcast. Um, yeah, like Rhystic Studies has all of these professionally made videos that are just the most listenable and watchable, um, almost doc, their documentary style, basically. Yeah. And he delves into like the art or like the meeting behind cards. Like there was a whole episode on, was it faithless looting?
00:16:59
Speaker
No. Are you thinking of Hogak? Or is in Necropolis, or are you thinking of a different one? Because I think Faithless Looting is in that deck. Maybe. It was basically something where it's not Faithless Looting, it's another one. But everybody thought the art was so fucking janky, and everybody shit on it. Oh, yeah. But then they went into this deep dive on why the art was the way that it was, and then it was done by somebody professional, as intentional, and all this stuff. Um, because it didn't look like art to begin with. It looked like like like a person and then it drew over it. Yeah. Yeah. It looked like it was a picture of like paper art. Yeah. Because I remember that popping up in Discord. It was Faithless Looting. The video title is The Red Temperance. Nice. But yeah, it's it has a lot of cool stuff that adds kind of like deeper lore. Like one of the oldest, not oldest, probably in the first couple of sets was Rancor.
00:17:59
Speaker
It's a one cost green enchantment that you put on a creature and it gives it plus two plus oh and trample. But it also has the effect of when it goes to the graveyard, it goes back to your hand. So when they were like designing that card, they're like, what is rank or what is this unending rage um that keeps coming back? It's like, oh, and that's how they thought to like design it and add that mechanic. um They're always hiring like super professional artists for every fucking set. Yeah, it's not like one artist for a given set that comes out. It's always multiple. But goddamn, some of those cards look so fucking good.
Nostalgic Gaming Memories
00:18:40
Speaker
They really do. And I don't want to crib on his content too much, but literally the ranker thing, the the the theme there was it talks about like how the flavor text is really important important for all these cards and how it can be good or bad or like elevate the experience. And the one for ranker is just so good. It's hate and hatred outlives the hateful. And it's like, that's such a good line. and So good.
00:19:08
Speaker
I'll be honest, i not knowing a ton of magic lore, I i did like look up, okay, how can I learn the the magic lore, right? And I search a video and it's like, magic of the gathering in 90 minutes. And like and they're they're like they're like, speed run, it's 90 minutes. i'm like okay And the guy was going a million miles per hour and I was still not picking it up. I'm like, okay, if he's going this fast, it's still 90 minutes long. Yeah, I'm not going to get off. Mm hmm. So, yeah, it's it's still a little bit beyond me. So a lot of this is mostly just, you know, cool art. And I know what these these these creatures are all together. The TLDR is that essentially you as a player are a planeswalker.
00:19:59
Speaker
and you're able to go to these different planes which is why every set it's usually going to be different like Innistrad is its own plane and that was very vampire werewolf type themed and angels for some reason I can be your angel or your devil um Zendikar was one and that's where Eldrazi was first introduced. People love that one so much and Annihilator being a mechanic. um and That's not true. That is a lie. People hate Annihilator. When I have Annihilator it's great. When I'm attacking you. You know the the the plane that stands out above all the rest though for me as an outsider largely to magic is Ravnica.
00:20:41
Speaker
Cause because Ravnica is like, it literally had source book for D and D fifth edition. Like they were literally like, Hey, do you want to have your D and D campaign take place in magic? Here are a couple of sub classes. Here is the Ravnica setting. And that was really cool. Are you talking about the return to Ravnica? I mean, raveing i don't I don't know what the name was called for the D and&D book, but um I think there is a magic release that was returned to Ravnica. Okay, because I did have like one that was specifically like ah Dungeons and Dragons type. Ah, oh yeah, that happened later. later So Wizards of the Coast is like cannibalizing itself right now for the people who are uninformed. And so much of their IPs are overlapping with other IPs.
00:21:35
Speaker
and magic is actually like they had a fallout set. They had a freaking Lord of the Rings set.
00:21:45
Speaker
Yeah, I kind of like those because my first my technically my first commander deck I got was Doctor Who. Mm hmm. ah that was I played it once and it's a surprise. It's all time based. And it was very difficult to keep up and be have a normally, you know, timed game because I was taking like 10 plus minutes. OK, this this counter goes up. This kind of goes down and then I put this and there's and there's another counter. and It's just like Yeah. Yeah. It can be a lot. It is cool when they have crossovers. If you're like trying to get into it, but you need that hook. Yes. You're like, Oh, I kind of was curious about magic and I like this thing. Well, maybe I'll get it for this thing and see. Right.
00:22:31
Speaker
So for that, it's cool. I'm sure certain that like a lot of people hopped on at the Lord of the Rings point. Yes. um Being tempted by the ring, people understand if you know Lord of the Rings. Yeah, everybody was at the time. They do, ah I think, a really good job, especially in those crossovers. of kind of translating the universe of whatever that IP is into the card game. Yeah. So like having the ring tempt mechanic and then other things from like, oh, that's actually really cool. That kind of makes that makes sense. who They had rad counters for the the fallout thing. Yeah.
00:23:10
Speaker
I like what they've done they've done with it. I wish they wouldn't do everything under the sun. Oh, there's gonna be a Fall Guys Magic set? Wow, cool. I don't think they'd go that far. Magic wouldn't, because Fall Guys is already its own template for crossover. Okay, Fall Guys can be really cringe, but you know, it'd be wild. Sesame Street. and Can you OK, you go to your local LGS, right? ah That's like saying automatic ATM. But anyway, ah you go there and you see a cookie monster commander deck. You're not like you're not like tempted by like, you know, and it's only like 40 bucks. Like, I don't know. You know, there's food tokens and they're cookies like in it it it prints itself. Right.
00:23:57
Speaker
i I will say right now, ah Oscar has to be one of the planeswalkers or commanders, and he's going to be black green, obviously. Clearly. I'm imagining just putting counters on the count, and you're like, one. ah Actually, you know we need to reach out to Wizards. This is actually really cool, because like Elmo, fire dick, cookie monster, blue. He's like notoriously aggressive. Yeah. yeah It's going to be the Michael Ries Elmo. know
00:24:31
Speaker
I actually really like that idea. Thankfully, a lot of them are already kind of color aligned. It's true. Burt and Ernie can be like a friend, Commanders. um using A friend mechanic. Yeah, companion. Well, I guess, yeah, companion is more accurate. More apps. All right, Wizards, ah <unk> I'll take 10% for that idea. but It's very generous of you you know make sure you you. Make sure you at least give 8% to this the street itself. We got to keep that show alive. Represent the street. Is that show still going?
00:25:07
Speaker
I think so. I think so. But for some reason I i heard it was like on HBO now or something. So it got real gritty to after season 400. Sesame Street really took a turn. Big Bird went on their like Sopranos arc.
00:25:27
Speaker
A snuff film for Mr. Snuffleup again. Oh no. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that show being a big thing. It's crazy to me now that they would pay Gated behind HBO, if that is the case. I mean, it's got to still be on PBS. I can't imagine there's a world where it's not all PBS. Yeah. I haven't watched TV in so long. These are genuine questions for me. Yeah. I mean, I'm in the same boat, but it has to still be a thing. Do you guys know anybody who like pays for cable except someone who comes to mind who has a significant discount on paying for cable? I don't think you aren't your parents, I should say, or your parents age. Yeah, no. I mean, even my parents don't really pay for cable, but they didn't either when I was a kid. I missed the whole cable shebang. I want to pay for cable and have a landline. No. All right.
00:26:26
Speaker
No, they had their, they had their priorities in order. They had cable internet, but not the TV. I was like, thank goodness. Yeah. We also didn't have cable for a good bit. So one of the few channels that we would get was PBS. Hence I watched a lot of PBS, zoom, Arthur magic school bus. Come on and zoom. Come on and zoom. Come on. the boomaoo me and i'm just gonna do all of these between the lines between the lines yeah yeah uh does anybody else a pbs kid or is it just well we we had cable growing up but we didn't pay for like the extra channels and potentially and like if this was if if my life was like a different plane in magic the gathering right right and there're there this totally didn't happen but say it did happen in this plane um there was a box
00:27:20
Speaker
that my father had acquired and it would attach to the tv and it suddenly made channels that didn't exist exist sounds like magic yeah exactly on different magic if the so so that's that's how you know uh myself and this other world was able to watch like wrestlemania gotcha that's the magic that's the magic uh locale they need to hit the the wrestling plane oh man
00:27:51
Speaker
Undertaker. Vince McMahon, probably. I don't need the ah Dwayne Johnson entering another one of my beloved IPs, so I really will pass. Thankfully, they'll they'll they'll pass over that and they'll go for Doom. It's still going to have Dwayne Johnson as Doom guy.
Modern Gaming Experiences
00:28:10
Speaker
No. Demuj, I didn't realize you're such a big fan of Milana. No.
00:28:18
Speaker
But should they not pick doom, they can always go with the scorpion king. You know, and soon dude, that was that was a funny movie. Dude, the graphics of that were so good. The CGI, the OG. You know, when the rock had hair and I can count the hairs on his head. thank Yeah, they should rematch that movie just to unfuck that. It was so bad. Yeah, like could they could they could get away with it for sure now. The original Mummy holds up so well, though. um I really want to rewatch that mainly because Wubby will like reference it every couple of streams. And I honestly did like that movie and I loved Brendan Fraser and. Eva Green, was it? You know, actor names far more than I do, so I'm not going to be. oh and And I'm even worse. So yeah, I'm i'm lost. Yeah, it it was a a charming movie, but also
00:29:16
Speaker
intense, also scary at points. Yeah. It was a very much ah a fun ride. Kind of like um Indiana Jones, but better. More comedy to it, too. And more depth. Yeah. Yeah, there's um, there's a I'm not really a movie buff, but there's this entire classification of movies that were like clearly labor of love. And they kind of overcame whatever CGI restrictions would have been in place for the time. So like other movies or sequels just look worse, right? Like alien is another example of that where they put like a stupid amount of work into it.
00:29:54
Speaker
um And that actually stayed true for the game franchise, which is really funny regardless of how successful it was. They've released like a ton of very well received, super optimized games. That's weird. Yeah, I will say to aliens credit, but also this was like part of my childhood. I really liked when they had prosthetics for things. Yes. Shout out to Lord of the Rings. um It looks so fucking good because like, I mean, sure there was some CGI, I think, but I'm sure they also like did like a scale model of a Gondor or what's the wall? Oh God, it's been too long. Um, the writers of Rohan come to rescue. Minus Tirith. Minus Tirith. Yeah.
00:30:48
Speaker
I'll agree with that, I don't know. Is that right? No, yeah, they write to say, help Gondor, kingdom of men. The wall may have its own name. This is Lord of the Rings, everything has an elf
Mecha and Cultural Influences
00:31:00
Speaker
name. mr
00:31:03
Speaker
But yeah, I really liked um the effort that was put into that. Cause it just, it holds up still. That's also another move I want to go back and watch. You know what's funny about that like I saw an excerpt, it was a short from a short, but it was like from a documentary where they were talking about making the Lord of the Rings, and for the the the final charge where they have like Aragorn lead the charge against the Black Gate, and like the full army is there. um They had the ah the the body doubles or the stand-ins for the hobbits. We were just little people in real life. And they're like, this is actually super dangerous because if you trip or something, there's 200 people behind you and they're all running forward. They're like, be careful. And then the other consideration was apparently the only place they could find to do that um was this like barren plain, but it was also like an old battlefield.
00:31:59
Speaker
uh from like world war one or something and they're like heads up if you find you find undetonated explosives just let us know and it was legit they were like are we trampling around and jumping and fighting each other on this and they literally did end up cordoning off some areas because they found explosives gonna say like world war one was definitely known for like not using the most uh ethical ah weaponry. So land mines are definitely a thing. Yeah. Also mustard gas instead of ketchup gas. Come on, guys. Not even trying. Come on.
00:32:41
Speaker
But yeah yeah Magic school I miss I do miss practical effects. Uh, probably I mean When I think of like kind of cheesy practical effects, I always think about like old power rangers Yeah, how the the fight you know, the fighting zords were always, you know this it always be the same city and and there were ah you know cardboard houses and whatnot and you know, the the fake sparks flying Um, for no reason, but I, I've learned recently that, um, so, so after the first power rangers, they like substituted out some of the zords for like, I don't know, like thunder zords or something. And, uh, what I, what I found out was that, uh,
00:33:28
Speaker
Saban was too cheap to send over the models for those Zords ah for for the American version to like, you know, film their part of it. ah ah So they're like practical effects. People literally went to like a toy store that sold like Japanese specific toys. And since this had already come out in Japan, they had them. So literally just like weathered the toys that Saban was selling overseas and they didn't even fully weather them like they showed like the other side and it was clearly just like a brand new toy. So like when you when you when you see those like if you ever go go back and watch those it's like yeah that was just like the literal toys you could have got as a kid. That's incredible. So like when you would go when you're a kid and you can get those toys well it's just like the show because it was.
00:34:25
Speaker
That's pretty amazing though. Yeah. I like hearing stories of like kind of some of like, how did this come to be? How was it made? And like, I'm sure like day to day, you're like, Oh, let me do a thing. Let me cook something. Let me make something. And there's like a degree of jank where you have to like make the substitution or just kind of, Oh, I'll just throw some duct tape here. And then to find out that other things that you were like respect or like did the same thing. Yeah. Hey, we made this giant fucking thing. Oh, how'd you do this thing for safety with the engine? A couple of screws. You're like, hmm, what's that
Gaming Hardware and Evolution
00:35:00
Speaker
now? What type of controller are you using for this up?
00:35:03
Speaker
Like, all right. It's it always blows my mind. Yeah, a lot of a lot of projects are like that. ah That Simpsons where Homer is skinny, but but they show behind him and like all of his skin is being like pinched. bunch Yeah. Rubber bands and stuff. It's like, yeah, what you see looks great, but what's going on behind the scenes? We're barely holding it together. Yeah, I like this podcast. Wow. Accurate. Um, I like that in particularly within the, um, the realm of games and there's a little bit less of it now because like you can get away with like unoptimized whatever these days. Like if a game has crappy frame right now, I'm like,
00:35:51
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This is probably because someone just gave up at some point. In the olden days, they're like, let's we have to like this has to fit on a floppy disk, and like we have to do all of this work to make it actually function. I might have said it in a previous episode, I can't recall. But like the highlight to me is there's this in-depth programming article out there um from an old game developer for like PlayStation. And it was PS2, where they had like the network adapter. That was the only way you could had any sort of internet anything. And they had like a patch or something like that that they released through it. But um by default, it wasn't supported. Like they couldn't get to write access code. um And so they literally just rely on like a buffer overflow as the developers to actually like patch their their their game um in the early days of patching before you're so far away from like a day one patch.
00:36:47
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Um, I love that. I love when they just like duct tape some pipes together and they're like, we found a way to make this work. Uh, can I, can I bring up something that I've only like slightly heard, but you made me think of it with like the whole, you know, you can, you can just brute force your way to like good graphics sometimes, but I've never played this game, but bloodborne. Yeah, I've heard of that one. Yeah. coming to PC. And that sounds like a lie. Well, i've I've heard I've heard that and that it was going to be like limited to like 30 FPS, which which I don't know. I mean, I think that's right.
00:37:31
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I think that's fake. That's probably fake. I'm going to look this up real quick. OK. Like I'm pretty sure the Internet would have caught on fire. Yeah. If it was like the original Bloodborne did run at 30 FPS. So depending on how it was coded, if they ported it over, ah maybe some game speed is tied to that. That's not uncommon for some games, typically more so older games. I don't know anything. Maybe, maybe I just okay got it wrong that it was just, hey, yeah, it was capped at 30 FPS and that made people kind of mad. Yeah, apparently it's, it's available and we, we don't condone such things obviously, but, um, on, uh, emulator. Hmm.
00:38:16
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Um, which is probably fair. It might've been something that just did not actually
Cultural Impact of Gaming
00:38:21
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wasn't an option for awhile. Um, Oh, and also PS now is what people were saying. So like they're, Hey, do you want to play so PlayStation games, but like not natively on PC. Unfortunately. I'm personally never going back to come dungeon no matter how many times I remake the game. You're not familiar with this? No. Okay. um i so As I'm saying, ah listeners, you can't see this, but his ah face just lit up and opening a new tab. Yeah, so I have to be accurate here. we So Bloodborne is one of... I play a lot of FromSoft games. Dave also does through the lesser extent, obviously.
00:38:59
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But um I'm just kidding. He he actually beat the ah um armored core and I didn't. um But I did get that in a second, and I don't recommend that for anyone because it necessitates going through the chalice dungeons, which are the ah there is kept random in quotes generated dungeons based off of like some letters. um But there's a bunch of fixed ones that you can go through and they get like insanely difficult at a certain point. um Anyways, what someone found...
00:39:34
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is that they could hack certain parts of the dungeon and then upload it so that other people could play it with a particular code. And that code is, I'm just gonna find it real quick here, C-U-M-M-M-F-P-K. Okay, so these are also called the chalice dungeon so the cum chalice basically oh no I don't want to watch that video The in in in bloodborne the way that this works is um and Zulu the witch has an excellent video on it
00:40:13
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But the short of it is the way it works is you load into the dungeon, you take a few steps forward, and off in the distance you'll see a life bar, and it will start going down. And ah if it depletes completely, which just takes a couple seconds, ah you get a tremendous amount of souls. Blood Echoes, they call them. Bloodborne. um And all you all you have to do is just rest again or use an item to like reload from your location. Walk forward a little bit and it happens again. And it is like the fastest possible way to just get blood echoes in this game. We're we're talking like 90,000. It's a lot. And the reason is because it's the max difficulty dungeon. It's called it's what they call like a false depth dungeon where it's accessible earlier than it should be. And that's why the reason anyone can use a code
00:41:06
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Um, but it just trivializes the game. You can just max how your character grabs whatever you want to grab. That's no fun. It is really, it is really cool. It's gone down and lower as the common dungeon. It is, it is the common dungeon, yeah. Um. and i need to I need to go back to what you said earlier though because ah I have been playing and Dave has made it very known to me. I picked up Armored Core 6 off the Steam sale. And I haven't played a little bit right before ah you know we recorded here. I don't know where you got stuck at. I can at least say that I'm
00:41:47
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somewhat deep into like chapter three and I was at like a decision point yeah where I can either do one fight or the other and basically the the the fight I was stuck on involved fighting a bunch of mobs then two mini bosses and then a couple more mobs and then finally you get to the boss who is very close quarters. So I've already like, you know, went through some like repair kits at the time. And and if you die, you got to do that whole thing over. Yeah. So I was very frustrated with that. ah Took the alternative path, which ended up with more credits and it was just simply a boss. ah But but where exactly did you get stuck at?
00:42:39
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So I don't remember the exact chapter. It's been probably approaching a year since I played the game, maybe longer. um But I don't remember recall the exact chapter, um but the boss is anime, basically. Anime. That's the easiest way I can explain it is like, it is just a hyper agile, super obnoxious stolen from near automata mecha. And it does things that no AC should be able to do.
00:43:14
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update Dave was smiling. ah he He went in talking about this game. He did bring up near as well when we had discussed it. So you bring it up. justka At some point, I'll probably need to play that. It's I mean, obviously so good. Separate, obviously very separate, very different. um Yeah. But I think Jake, you think it's probably closer to around the end of chapter five. That could be correct. I'm not going to be able to confirm because it's been a long time. I'm going to guess around there. yeah Okay, so I should be ready to murder a weeb as soon as you're like, why am I fighting anime incarnate? You'll know that you reached where I stopped playing See see you're saying like it goes like see my build ah When I was talking to Dave about this because I streamed it for like a hot minute while my computer was able to you know barely hold on because I OBS and Armored Cord is not kind to a CPU. ah ah Anyway, ah he is he said, you know, and Dave, you could speak yourself on this as well, but like a more tankier build was his style where I was ah trying to keep more true to ah the inspiration from even playing the game, which is just Gundam. So I felt like it was necessary for always to have like a beam saber.
00:44:32
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OK. And ah being light and agile. And I've recently discovered the use of having double shotguns and then shipping and then being able to swap out my sword. So pop, pop, switch to sword. Bam. Yeah. And it's it's great. ah But I'm also, you know, a little bit of a glass cannon. So I die real quick sometimes. There was a lot of my final build and still works on my main AC today. If I like load back in. is two of these big shotguns. I forget what they're called. And then the shoulders were two songbirds. And now, to be fair, that was the meta build initially. Yeah, it's definitely been nerfed since. But it still holds up of just dealing a lot of fucking damage. But you kind of have to be mid range for it. You can't do it like a mile away.
00:45:24
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Yeah, my favorite my I've tried a bunch of stuff out. um I didn't try like the tetrapod frame, the the like floating yeah tank thing. It's good for one level. I entirely believe it. I usually play on like the medium-heavy side, um although I will say there are so certain fights in the game where I was just like, what is this like if I just go as a tank? and it just absolutely destroys, right? Like, it's just too good. And you can also, you can do like a dash with all of the mechs and you can do like a ah tap on the left analog stick, you push that in, you do a kick. Yes. I forget if you have to unlock that or not. You do, because I haven't done that. it's like It's like a core system or something, I think. With the tank, obviously your dash is not very fast, but when you do the kick input,
00:46:16
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It's kind of like you're on a horse and it kind of like jumps up and like you kind of just ramp. You do an Ollie on the tank into the enemy. It does the the Tony Hawk that then when you do a little yeah kick flip. I will say like playing. I did a couple as a lighter, lighter frame and it is super fun to like be more aerial. um That definitely it feels really cool. It feels super cool. That was my frustration with a tank. Cause I bought all the, like the heavy tank stuff that I couldn't like fly for a bunch. I yeah could only boost maybe like three times max. And, uh, also I was just running out of ammo. I tried like two Gatling guns and it was just like, Oh, you're at 50% ammo. Like what?
00:47:03
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like come on The thing that the the the build that I've really enjoyed for a while before I think eventually I also switched to like pretty meta shotguns and the shotguns Dave and I both used they they were nerfed at some point because they were literally just super super good in PvE people are using them in PvP um So maybe not necessarily advised anymore. But the thing that I really enjoyed was just like plasma. Everything plasma. Plasma like launchers from the back and guns on front. And if it just someone just happened to be in front of me and not move for a second, they're just coated. Just a monsoon of plasma. And it was it was very fun. I don't think it's necessarily the best, but it felt really good to play with.
00:47:49
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So so another another game had the cum dungeon in it, right? Yes. Yes. I will say, though, as you continue to progress, you will find even more interesting pieces to try out and builds. There are so many weapons, a lot of which feel silly, but probably have some use. um But some of her also is really cool and badass, but I'm not somebody who usually goes energy output as much. Um, much more kinetic explosive kinetic. Let's hit things. Um, but yeah, there's so many cool things you can try out.
00:48:26
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I love it. I've been I've been really enjoying it and I don't it takes a lot for me to get into a video game anymore. So this this had had the right equation and also I've never played any sort of like souls like game or this is my first from soft game as well. So it it just like ticked the boxes. And I think I mentioned it to Dave. I really One of the my favorite games on the PS2 was a Zone of the Enders, which ah Dave, you told me a nice little thing involving that and and Metal Gear, right? Did I? I'm pretty sure you did. and
00:49:07
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Well, could you remind me and the audience because I'm I'm blanking that it was a a pet project of Kojima and ah they wouldn't. they His his. Basically deal to make metal metal gear solid to was he wanted to make zone of the enders as well. Hmm.
00:49:32
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I relearn that, I guess. I swore you told us. I mean, there's not many other people who would have told me that sort of information, but maybe, maybe I learned from someone else. I don't know. Maybe it came up during a magic game that you weren't there for. But yeah, i I really enjoyed that game and ah my life has been very mecha based lately and ah it I was actually talking to my father about this because growing up he always ah played a lot of
00:50:03
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military based like movies and tv shows like jag was always on in the evenings and uh even a world war two dad pretty much yeah yeah after school and i was just asking him i was like dad i remember after school we watched some like vietnam based uh show on the CW or whatever it was called back then and he always wanted me to like to become a pilot growing up and uh you know what it is with parents if they want you to do something they want it's like no I don't know it just pushed me away but I always love you know I still love uh flight sims and and and playing games like that
00:50:45
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And then the whole mecha aspect sort of brings in. Oh, I remember when you like Power Rangers as a kid. Oh, and now like the whole military complex. Well, there's this whole other IP about war and Power Rangers. are So just like piecing all these little pieces of my childhood that led me to, you know. enjoying this sort of a mecca based Animes and video games and I don't know what I gotta say. Mine is definitely based off the transformers Which I think is only from the newer movies um Because I didn't grow up with the the older stuff, but also I remember watching Megas XLR on I think it was WB but basically it was a cartoon show about like this
00:51:39
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space car that crashes in from outer space. There's a guy who works in a junk shop who loves cars and he makes it into a mech or something. um And then it's like white other aliens that come down to Earth. It's Megas something. Megas XLR. Hmm. That sounds like a camera. Actually, yeah. It was it was a fun little show. I remember too, too much about it. I just remember being like, yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah, 2004 to 2005, so it was really short, but it has 8.2 on IMDB, so... Higher than I expected. Right. That was biker mice from Mars doing, so that's the one I remember. It didn't lead to anything mecha, but you know. Jake's inspiration was actually a ratatouille. He's like, what if we could pilot things?
00:52:37
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Yeah, now armored core armored core is awesome. I I played mech warrior a particular one that I just got like in a bargain bin When I was a lot younger, okay, it was like five bucks It was five bucks those old like it is like Walmart kind of thing where they just like whatever wasn't selling They literally just discount it to the floor and what system? It's PC It's PC. Oh, okay. It's MechWarrior 3, I think, or MechWarrior 4. Can't remember exactly, but um that one is kind of different than Armored Core because Armored Core goes through the anime side and like flying through the air and all this stuff. And MechWarrior was like, what if tanks were cooler than they are right now? And that's it. That's the thing we changed, right? So they look like they could be, but Mechs and Mecha are not the same thing.
00:53:28
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we are not
00:53:31
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they're not like us ah you're you're You're making me now realize like at some point Walmart took out you know the last PC games on their shelves because I can just like envision it like early 2000s. There's Microsoft simulator. There's the Sims and Sims expansions. There's all like the that little shelf of PC games. It wasn't as big as like the PS2 or, yeah you know, the game cubes I've had at some point.
00:54:03
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disappeared and they're never to be seen again because no one even has CD drives anymore. And everything has a billion gigabytes just to download. I remember when I was really young, I had to like bargain with my parents to get the army men. There was an army men compilation of PC games. It was like army men one, two, three, which was toys in space and then like Eric is here or something like that. Yeah. We're losing money. It's a bundle mom and dad. It was like, it's, it's like four games. Like it would be insane for us not to buy this. There are four games in here. I had to like promise to do chores and other jazz like that. Sarge's heroes, uh, was console actually that came out for, um, PlayStation, um, and PC or not the PC, sorry. Uh, and in 64, but all of the N64 army men games, way worse. like dont even um PlayStation was way better. Anyways.
00:55:03
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Games bot at Walmart.
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it's Walmart was a...
00:55:11
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grew up in my hometown, like just randomly, just, you know, one just appeared as they do, as they do. But this it was like a big deal for my area because it was really the middle of nowhere. And then it was within a walkable distance. So I know it was a thing for, I feel like everybody I knew that just like, Hey, it's one in the morning. We have nothing to do. Let's go to Walmart. It was your mall experience. Exactly. It was because the malls were, and drivable distance and I was a kid, I couldn't I can walk to Walmart. So that definitely helped. You know, the the malls just sort of die faster. Oh, yeah, existing.
00:55:56
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Uh, but the, the thing with this Walmart was from the very get-go, there was rumors that it was going to collapse in on itself. Like physically, not financially. Okay. Yes. And and the rumors started because, um, first, uh, there, there were coal mines in the area and, uh, it was unknown if they had been filled. And very early on in its ah construction, ah there was a long crack in the tile. So people are like, oh, it's the start. It's the start of it if it it. Nothing ever happened. It's still there to this day. I was going to say, I can't believe that engineers and construction people wouldn't account for, hey, there's a giant hole under here. What do you want to do about that?
00:56:48
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This is like a Stephen King Walmart or something like that. You're like, Oh yeah be yeah, exactly. The crack just keeps getting wider. People keep shopping. We don't really understand it. They don't want to stop. They feel compelled to, but the crack keeps getting wider. They keep rolling back. You know, it's three cents off band-aids right now. Oh my God. back Yeah, back little smiley face. Yeah. I remember. Because I think for groceries, typically we'd go across the street because we had a Weiss very close by. But then for other things, it was like we either drive over to Target or we drive even a little bit further, but like not more than 15 minutes to the Walmart because Walmart obviously had everything. Yes. You get your groceries there, you get clothes, you get electronics. So I think for us and a lot of people, it was a nice one stop shop. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And there was also a go there at one o'clock in the morning anymore.
00:57:44
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Did they actually close now? That was a different time. I think post, uh, post pandemic, right? Places aren't generally open. There's no more 24 hours unless you're a gas station, pretty much, or a hospital. A good policy because past those hours, you are just getting teenagers who are just going to like knock stuff off shelves. Uh-huh. Tick tockers are going to throw jugs of milk in the air. Yeah, I also have like off shift workers though, like people who, you know, work night shift or, or second shift and they get off at nine, 10 o'clock. Yeah. Yeah. If you've never gone shopping, like late at night, it's so nice. It's so nice grocery shopping late at night. And it's just like silent Hill, basically, but with no claxon and you're like, all right, buy whatever we need. I guess check out at pyramid head.
00:58:37
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and you're checking out your own stuff anyway these days, so it's like, whatever. Don't need to worry about having one cashier available. Actually, you know what? I take exception to have a whole suspicious people at Walmart late at night. I made my own suspicious purchase at Walmart late at night, and it was a PlayStation 4. It was an impromptu purchase, basically, where I just like, you ever have like a ah status bar that's either filling or depleting through your life? And then it just like hits a point and you're like, yeah, that. And that's basically what a PlayStation 4 was. Cause everyone was playing like monster hunter and stuff. And this was a couple of years into it. I'm like, this is definitely not a hype thing anymore. I can just join from the side. I'm pretty sure I bought a PlayStation like one am.
00:59:23
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I've never had one but all I've heard was they're like just just heat sinks or have very much lack of heat sink because they're just constantly extremely warm and i don't I don't know if there's any sort of problems like what we had with the 360. Nothing read me as bad as the 360. where you had to wrap it in a towel. Just like overheated until it starts working. yeah That was like the towel trick was a way to. It was a thing. Yes, it was.
00:59:58
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It was so dumb. It's a very bad engineering blowing into cartridges. That made sense. Oh, there's could be dust in here. Wrapping it in a towel. See, itll it burns off. It burns. off and and And you guys know, like I do like occasionally dabble in modifying consoles. Right. And I did. alleg himly too Allegedly. Allegedly. That's fun. in Minecraft, in the other planes. um yeah I did look into like, what's, is there any like scene? and it's And it's all just like, okay, here's what you got to do to make this just work again. yeah
01:00:36
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Because otherwise it's like a big paperweight. And I remember having to send mine in for a Red Ring. Yeah. But I did get a ton of miles in it and it was mainly used for Call of Duty. So I did earn like my gamer badge through there. But i think I think if the mod scene were able to ever get 360s up and working again with ah ah another live you know accessible system, ah where people can play online against each other again,
01:01:09
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and still have that old experience with like the the Xbox headset. i think I think a lot of people would would have fun with that. I would go back and play the Halo 3 additional map pack games with people. All hammers. you know what's funny about this is for both of your nostalgia bait scenarios they have happened like they recreated modern warfare 2 i think oh no and then they you i know you hate it yeah you can do you can do this all of in steam however there there's there's get Get in the controller, being at your couch. Yes, it's a different vibe. Three and a half millimeter and just like no screen. Look at each other. You had four people on the couch. You had typically Doritos on one end. Not i not you because we were crazy ranch. Yeah.
01:02:03
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You didn't have multiple monitors. You have, you know, your discord over here, your, your halo three call that right now. yeah And, you know, YouTube over on the other one, it's just your TV. Yeah. I've been playing a lot of Destiny recently, and the only reason that I can play Destiny is because of all of the tools people have created for it online and stuff, including like, hey, this is just better item management dragging gear from your vault and between characters and whatever. And straight up, like without that monitor on the side, I would not be playing the same game.
01:02:39
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like It would be miserable by comparison. Like me alt-tabbing to do stuff over here is how I play the game. And I don't know if I could go back to the old CRT, you know? Player one, player two, screen split in twain. Where it was impossible not to screen look a little bit. ahha that's the thing with nostalgia because it does blind you against all the the bad you're only seeing the good i just remember being in real quick as i say i remember being in uh halo to local lobbies with people you're like oh yeah let's start the game we've had the mat picked out we have the rule set picked out um play your teams if we're doing that
01:03:23
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And there's like the countdown and then somebody would press the button. You're like, who canceled the countdown? And that would happen for like 10 minutes. sure You're like, guys, seriously, can we play a game? and Everybody's giggling. I was just going to say I had a, I saw a YouTube short recently and I think this is because the algorithm heard Dave and I talking about the old. like killstreaks and stuff like that in modern warfare back in the day but the short was a guy spawns it's modern warfare 2 guy spawns and it's on the map i can't remember the name of it but the really open map with the tunnels and like a bunch of brush and some destroyed cars and i know which map you're referring to it's like reddish
01:04:02
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um and immediately just grenade underbarrel grenade launcher in this specific location like six people die takes out one man army switches his class over crouches down like behind the car whatever chopper gunner um kills a bunch of people straight into nuke Round over. The entire thing was like a minute. There was a minute long round because this guy just was like, well, if we spawned here, they're all over there. with a grenade watch in it again I was like, yep. And the stupid thing about this, just to show how bad gamers are, like hard G gamers, like the worst.
01:04:46
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Um, all of the comments are like, man, I miss when the game was like, i like what is wrong with you people? Like, yeah but we've all been on like both ends of the camping, uh, sort of, uh, multiplayer game at any time. Like that sort of situation comes up. I was a big battlefield player. Yeah. And it was always just like, all right, you took all the capture points and everybody's just in like their their spawn spawn room. And then you have like tank shooting in there. You have like helicopters. And then some one brave soul was able to like get to the other side of the map.
01:05:26
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and you're like, okay, hey, spawn on me. Hey, spawn on me. We'll be fine. We'll be fine. And then you start seeing the flicker of, oh, they're starting to take point C. Oh no, they got, they got away. And then the entire game ends up flipping and the people who were camping lose and it's, and it's such a good feeling. Uh, so that's like the one, like, Only Battlefield kids know this. Only Battlefield kids know this, but I feel like it and it, you know, turning around a camping situation. I mean, it happens in Overwatch. Oh, it's true. Yeah. Yeah. As it turns out, just standing right outside the enemy spawn point has all kinds of problems associated with it. Yeah.
01:06:07
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No, it's fun. This is my last, the story. I don't know, this is the nostalgia cast right now for me. But I used to play, ah it was a mod for Battlefield 2 called Project Reality. And it was ah just like, how do we make this as realistic as we can? Take away like all of the HUD, all of that jazz. um You still spawn on allies, but it's like much slower. It takes like a minute to respawn. And like, it was very tactical. Literally, or just like, I had a role. that this is a height This is the thing I remember, right? As I was like, I wasn't even using a gun. I was just calling out targets from like a building somewhere.
01:06:49
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Try not to be noticed but notifying everyone else and squat squad leaders could talk to squad leaders, but like not to Globally it wasn't like match wide chat or anything like that So if you were just a guy you talked to your squad leader retail like giving them intel and they'll tell other squad leaders It was just like insane and people people loved it. I loved it. It was good I'm glad that war sims get to be this into the nitty gritty. let's Let's just always hope war is a sim though. Yes, exactly. That's where it belongs. That's where it belongs. In video games. Exactly. Exactly.
01:07:31
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What's funny is in the pregame before we were talking, before you joined, we were talking about how um for a period of time there were going to be disclaimers around violence in shows and things like that, being like, hey, we do not, we don't do that. and when This isn't us. Yeah. War in games.
01:07:55
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That can never change. That never changes, but real life war, that can change. That's war and peace, war and buffet. All right, I'm out. Fair enough. Well, since Dave's out, I got to thank Dimooch once more for coming on the podcast, helping us provide us with extra content and your memories and your thoughts and hopes and dreams as fuel for the machine. I am content sometimes. I like the idea that we've take we've taken your thoughts, but you don't get them back. They've now been transferred. Yes, they're converted. Do you want to plug anything? how are rangers You said Friday, 6 o'clock. I mean, if you want to dox yourself, you can. but is you know That's usually what time I start building um my toys.
01:08:48
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Mm-hmm in my That's fair if you would like we could put links in the description or you know what you know what link to yourself put it put another link i i want i want i want so yeah I want a second link. I want to Facebook links and ah Perhaps like maybe like a Google voice number someone. Oh Just in case because you know, it's one thing to like You know, like, hey, if you have any questions or comments, leave a Facebook. with But if to give them the ability to live a voicemail, I think that could be some content for you. That's kind of a flex. Yeah, cause because because i want I want to say something here to like anger. I don't know. Like Ian and just and just like like have them calling like.
01:09:34
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that that son of a bitch to mooch you never have him on again i swear to god and then and then and then that that generates drama and then next time you invite us separately to a guest podcast and then we only know and then all of a sudden it's it's it's one week one v one me me and ian going at it and you guys are referees and we'll have like yeah the mori episode It's yeah, that's the mario. I see this this is free aid Free ideas free concert. It's really good. You are not the father deeper jumps out why are Yeah ideas for us content i'm here for Ideas for Wizards of Wizards of the coast. Yes doing what you can but appreciate it. Thank you for coming on love y'all Thanks, man. Glad to have you back
01:10:17
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Mm-hmm. See you soon, maybe. Go back to the bench for seven months. Get out of here. um But if you guys don't want to be on the bench, send us in. Resumes. What have you got? Slope Stone Podcast. Gmail dot.com. Or join the discussion on Facebook. That's a social media website. Facebook dot.com slash Slope Stone Podcast. And as always, we'll see you in the next one. Get out of here, nerds. The phone number is 555-843-7624.
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