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Join Dave and Jake as they talk about InfoWars (the Onion, don't worry), friendslop games, a sprinkling of TV, modding, Duskbloods, and even more in this week's episode!
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Introduction and Onion/InfoWars Discussion
00:00:41
Speaker
How's going, everyone? Welcome to another episode of Soapstone. My name is Jake, I'm joined by my co-host, as always, Dave. Have you heard about the onion, Dave? Yeah, it's a Is it technically a root vegetable?
00:00:57
Speaker
No, thanks I don't think think I've used it in a ton of different things. It's like bulbous. Bulbas for sure yes, that's the one time I get to use that word yes it''m Not used to describe anything else. but Anyways, have you seen any of their Info Wars things? i Have not I was aware that the onion took over Info Wars mm-hmm Sorry Alex Jones right um But yeah, I haven't been keeping up on what they've actually been doing with it.
00:01:28
Speaker
Yeah, there's a... it I'm not going to go into the full recap of everything that's going on there, but it's literally been years. Technically, they still don't even really have the trademark for InfoWars. Everything they're doing is under parity.
00:01:42
Speaker
But they're just going to operate like they have the trademark because everything's just been so bogged down in the courts that like they can't officially get it. And it's just appeal after appeal after appeal.
00:01:53
Speaker
But Alex Jones also can't defend it. It's the TLDR, the legal TLDR. So they're just going to use it. um And it ah was also funny because the reason they have it was because the... ah the sandy hook parents this isn't funny at all sandy hook parents uh basically made an agreement with the onion though like we will like give up some of the money that we are owed that they would never see ever um in order to basically subsidize onions purchasing of the info wars and it's kind of like a very shrewd business deal because it's like
00:02:34
Speaker
we won't have the highest dollar bid. Cause like there's, um, there's an organization that, um, Alex Jones was a part of that wanted to like retain the rights to, uh, info wars, obviously, but with the onion, they're like, we don't have the highest money dollar bid.
00:02:51
Speaker
However, look at all of this debt that you basically have. And as a creditor with all of these people together, we will ah like forgive a massive slice. So you should accept our offer because it's the best for the creditors, which is what you kind of aim for when you're undergoing bankruptcy. This is really dry. When you're undergoing bankruptcy, which is what he was doing.
00:03:15
Speaker
Their content is hilarious. It's pretty great. They have ah a lot of the, or at least some of the characters, even from like the old Onion before it basically entered hibernation, like Jim Haggerty is coming back. And yeah, I'm getting the shrug from Dave. Big shrug on that. Yes. Look it up later. Definitely check it out. They also sell merch, InfoWars merch, and it's all like branded with a logo or so a rainbow.
00:03:43
Speaker
It's like a rainbow themed InfoWars coat bag. ah Do you remember Internet Comment Etiquette? Yes. sure I showed you a couple of videos. Part of their merch is...
00:03:56
Speaker
um like a tower of rainbow frogs and it's like I don't think it says turn the freaking frogs again but it's in reference to that yes and I'm glad that positive things are coming out of side effects with Alex Jones because Nothing would be through him directly because he's a piece of shit.
00:04:19
Speaker
But yeah, now he he ah really hasn't done any good. ah um There was a comment I read and I thought this was hilarious. um But it's like, what does the Onion do with Infowars, right? Because... The Onion, obviously, their entire thing is parody.
00:04:35
Speaker
Their holding corporation is Global Tetrahedron. And their ah like their their founder like has the last name Onion or something like that. like it's just It's very obviously all parody and hilarious.
00:04:49
Speaker
um I think their their mission statement for global tetrahedron like we will use our talents to like rip open the flesh of our float foes and feast on their marrow and it's like in their corporate mission statement it's just insane stuff um But ah what they were like what they were saying was like, oh, for InfoWars, what they should actually do is split it off into a separate division that just tells the news accurately. that's That's what InfoWars just becomes. It's no longer misinformation. It's not parody. They just tell the
Video Games and Mecha Chameleon
00:05:27
Speaker
news. And that's where it is on the site.
00:05:29
Speaker
I think you could go like accurate news. Or you could go, going to lean into this more. And you essentially continue um what Alex Jones or something very right-wing leaning would be.
00:05:43
Speaker
But if you just do it with the expression, people are like, oh, that's sarcasm. Yes. But you just hit all the same talking points, right? That's pretty much what they're doing if you if you check out their content. Like, they have...
00:05:57
Speaker
a guy who speaks in a super, super exaggerated gruff voice. And he like had a guest on that was also just in a super exaggerated gruff voice. And it basically like when the guest was leaving, they just ended up like barking at each other. And then the guy just left. It was just, it's incredibly dumb, but it is really the just the best of a bad situation.
00:06:18
Speaker
um And I mean, screw InfoWars, but also now long live InfoWars. So it's good stuff.
00:06:27
Speaker
Now, if only we could do that with other things. Right. um but But yeah, that's been a while. I want to see where that goes.
00:06:38
Speaker
Other things to talk about. Video games.
00:06:43
Speaker
So how do you feel about video games? i'm I'm becoming a fan. Yeah. The more I check them out, I'm like, it's a movie I can play. hmm. Right.
00:06:57
Speaker
Have you checked out Mecha Chameleon at all? are Are you aware of? I'm at the very least aware of it. okay I see the highest. The cream of the crop of the the shorts community for Mecha Chameleon is usually what what I engage with. So I've seen some absolutely unhinged, hilarious things in the game.
00:07:19
Speaker
But how would you describe Mecha Camille? My vibe was this is kind of that flavor of the month social game, but with a very potent payoff. what do you what it what Having actually played it, what's your take?
00:07:33
Speaker
I mean, I would say that that is accurate. I don't think it's going to be lasting forever. But like with a lot of these friends flop games, it's like flavor of the month. And then some months go by and they're like, hey, we've updated this. People are like, yeah, right.
00:07:51
Speaker
Put it back in rotation. We'll do that again. But. It's basically just prop hunt, but instead of you have to like make yourself the prop. So you have a fixed number of positions. You can't really merge into terrain or objects without being.
00:08:09
Speaker
Stick figure type character, right? Yeah. And you're going around these levels and you either find something to hide as, like a amongst, or you kind of make a new thing that seems to fit.
00:08:24
Speaker
And at least early on, people going too familiar with the maps. So they're trying to figure out how everybody's plotting and doing their art.
00:08:35
Speaker
Yeah. But that is the thing. I'm not somebody who is great at art, especially not in a video game where it uses like a mouse and I can't do fine detail and the color pickers ass.
00:08:49
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um But I also have been in a situation where I fully like laid down. That's one of the positions. Laid down on the ground in front of like this giant pizza oven with open flame.
00:09:03
Speaker
like The flames were starting on the ground. and I laid down, painted myself bright yellow, was never found. so it's It's a fun game as far as seeing how your friends are going to...
00:09:19
Speaker
either be really dumb or really creative sometimes people have done stuff just for shits and giggles like um there was a room that had a piano and somebody just sat on the piano bench and like put themselves in a little tuxedo uh-huh that's for not a good hiding space is funny uh-huh Yeah, I can only, i can only, my anecdotes are all from YouTube shorts that I've seen.
00:09:45
Speaker
But one of, some of my favorite was similar to that. There's like a painting of like, I think it's Freud and like, uh, uh, like therapist's chair or couch or something like that. is it like the ink splats?
00:09:59
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um It's not it's not the because it's a you're thinking of like Rorschach test, right? Oh, yeah yeah. Yeah. I think it's like an actual person sitting, like a portrait of a person. And the ah the contestant, the player, just like without using paint at all, just like assumed a sitting position in front of the portrait. So if you looked at it at the right way, it Just looks like they're sitting on the chair, like no intent to hide. But as soon as the hunters, i don't know what they're called, but the hunters like entered the room, he just starts into this monologue of like giving his response to the therapist questions about like how he's, feeling why he's feeling the way he's feeling and stuff like that, which went on for a while before they just shot him. And it was, it was just hilarious.
00:10:42
Speaker
Um, Yeah, it seems like there's a good opportunity for RP as well, especially like a big group game on Twitch. That's kind of kind of perfect.
00:10:54
Speaker
Yeah. I will say i I watched a little bit on Twitch. And we're not at this level yet with the group that I play with, but they were trying to do like group things.
00:11:07
Speaker
Like they were trying to line up together to become a muffler of a car. Okay. Or do something else. Like um we'll both be arms of a squid.
00:11:19
Speaker
Gotcha. Gotcha. Complimentary disguise. Yeah, that's pretty neat. Yeah. Also, yeah one ah bonus thing i want to say about it. It's supported a lot of custom maps where you can just download the custom map by literally clicking the button in game after the host has been like, let's do this map.
00:11:41
Speaker
And you don't have to do any shenanigans or log out or recreate the lobby. So that's nice because it's always going supporting custom maps and people going keep making them.
00:11:55
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So it always means you're not going to have like a stagnant, oh, is this room? Are they a balloon or are they on the pillar or are they part of the carpet? Right. Keep it fresh and novel.
00:12:06
Speaker
Yeah. That's a good idea, actually, because I feel like a lot of games... I mean, you can't aim to be i don't mean this bad, but like a flavor of the month social game, like some of the most successful games recently have been that type of game. There's nothing wrong with it. Like Among Us is that right.
00:12:25
Speaker
um But the trick is when your game launches, are you prepared? to be wildly successful. Some games weren't, right? Like, um ah what was the... surviv sort but Survivor. Your engineers, you extract with stuff, you go back, you sell it all off, you buy upgrades and gear.
00:12:49
Speaker
um Dwarf something? No, it's like it's the you're in space and you go to like different planets and sometimes it's raining or there's trees that try to eat you and there's Jack in the Box and...
00:13:03
Speaker
We've all played. oh lethal company, lethal company. Thank you. Thank you. I was going through like the roster of games i like this doesn't match anything. Uh-huh. I was like, it's so survivor or company or something. I don't know, but. um that game wasn't prepared for their success. Like they didn't have the server infrastructure um on launch. they They had some issues and, you know, not a ton of content, I would say. so So a lot of people burned out on it. And then it still had development and I'm sure it's still successful.
00:13:35
Speaker
But you have a couple of these things that have been the hooks that kind of like draw people in, get ah get them into your ecosystem a little bit more. Custom maps are one of them. Custom game modes could be one of them. Modability, right? How do you foster a community out of the gate?
00:13:50
Speaker
um That can be big. Now, I don't think everyone should actually do that because, again, one game in like a million becomes the new hotness.
Anime and Secret Level Series
00:13:59
Speaker
Right. Like people do not have the time in the day to play a hundred different friend slop games. You know, you should check out my Twitch channel.
00:14:13
Speaker
But yeah, um it's nice when one that lands it, you know, has the support to follow through. Yeah. And this was also, I believe, a Japanese developer.
00:14:26
Speaker
Mm hmm.
00:14:29
Speaker
like ah It's like Ultra Kill. Same setup. Yeah. Maybe that's why the games are doing well. I don't know. Honestly, like so i I know you we we have an embargo in talking about Overwatch, but like some of their last characters have all been Japanese. They added their cyberpunk character with a bike. Was it Shiada or it's like Sean Sean Sean. Yeah.
00:14:53
Speaker
Yeah. I, I, I make this exact joke. I have like, I feel like frustrated my wife because we're like, yeah, Sean, right. The, the lady with the bike, Sean. Yeah. It's like she on, um, but i was just going to say, sorry, no, you're all good. Uh, kind of a hilarious thing. Uh, not going to get into where Kate, everybody knows who she is, but it's like, they've added these Japanese characters and now it's like, and there's these Japanese games and like anime is a thing. I think Japan's doing all right. That's basically the, the topic I was, I was getting to.
00:15:24
Speaker
Um, Also, in general, good. oh Yeah. Morally good. Except, like, everything that they produce. Some some of that stuff's less good.
00:15:37
Speaker
Yeah. Anime is still, sadly, one of those things where I think, in general, people are like, oh, I know what anime is, or I've seen an anime, or, like, caught some DBZ or whatever. They're like, okay, that's that cool.
00:15:51
Speaker
Yeah. but then there's some other animes where it's like, Don't click that link. Why? i don't want to have to get into it. It's just not for human consumption. um That's a great way to put it, actually. It's like, why do we produce things that are toxic to the human mind?
00:16:08
Speaker
let Let's just say that this anime, the current president might appreciate aspects. Oh, good. Good. Yeah. um Yeah.
00:16:19
Speaker
Oh, that's fair. Anything related, though? I will say Witch Hat Atelier has been a nice little watch so far this season. Yeah.
00:16:30
Speaker
i have no I have no follow-up. you could either You can either now provide a synopsis for the anime. Okay. I'll be like... Oh, okay, nice. Give out a good that a listen. So basically, a girl finds this magic book or more so it's kind of like given to her by like a shady character right um and she's always been amazed by magic and magic can only be done by ah the certain group of people the witches and they have these hats and robes
00:17:02
Speaker
And she's just drawing this book, but she ends up drawing a spell, um again, that the book had provided. And it kind of like freezes her mom and her house in like this big block of ice.
00:17:16
Speaker
okay And a witch comes by and like says, like oh, what's going on? Oh, oh this is bad. ah You shouldn't know that magic is something that can be drawn.
00:17:28
Speaker
Because magic is something that they... basically siloed away to a subset of people because everyone was using it for everything, a.k.a.
00:17:38
Speaker
war, a.k.a. body modification and transfiguration and stuff. ah so it's just the witches who know that ah magic is drawn and how to make certain spells. So she basically becomes an apprentice.
00:17:55
Speaker
Right. Normally because she's an outsider, they would have to wipe her memory, but with a men in black. yeah b And those times are so fun. Um,
00:18:08
Speaker
She basically gets brought in as an apprentice because the witch who rescued her um knows that the book she got is in connection to a darker sect of witches called the Brim Caps.
00:18:24
Speaker
And the Brim Caps do not follow standard magic law where they will do they're the rogue dark magic. They will do body modification. They will do whatever.
00:18:36
Speaker
um
00:18:39
Speaker
I think they just want like the the purity, the chaos aspect of no restrictions. These are the actionions anarchists. Witches. yeah
00:18:49
Speaker
That is an interesting plot setup, though. Is it slice of life? Is it drama? like what is Is it an adventure anime? I would say there's adventure. I'm
00:19:03
Speaker
trying to think of how to go into this, but can't explain too much. Yeah, it kind of takes a look into more of the world of witches and how they operate and certain things about the society of...
00:19:25
Speaker
know. It's just its own little universe of things. Yeah, it's got world building and stuff like that. But it's been interesting. The characters have been fun. um The artwork for it, really gorgeous. Oh, yeah.
00:19:40
Speaker
Yeah, it's been a nice, cute, fun anime for the most part. Some darker subjects for sure, but. True. Sounds like a Soapstone recommends Witch Hat. I'll tell you. me putting a thumbs up. Yes.
00:19:55
Speaker
Dave approved. Yeah. like the other anime that are on the list. We'll we'll figure out if we like them or not. It's like we got like Elfin Light and you got like Death Note and you got all these other things. We'll get to them eventually. The new ones, right? The new Prison School, I think, just came out. lot A lot of popular slice of life, I think is the term.
00:20:15
Speaker
um people People get sliced. like yeah You know what I've been watching recently? Hmm. Absolutely nothing. But prior to that was a Secret Level, actually, because that is now old.
00:20:31
Speaker
But that is the type of content I tend to engage with more than anything that's new. um I don't think we ever talked about it. Did you see all the Secret Level episodes or at least a good good count of them?
00:20:42
Speaker
I did. i think I watched all of them. I just I currently have no recollection that we need to see like a a highlight video. I'm like, oh, that's what that was.
00:20:53
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, i guess spoiler alert for, I guess, the setting, at least for some some secret level episodes. But it's a anthology. So like none of them are related to other episodes. It's just this one is dedicated to this game.
00:21:07
Speaker
like there's a dnd one like there's a warhammer 40k one there's a um it's not tribes it's um it's not quake uh unreal tournament yes exactly unreal tournament one and man as a whole they do like such a good job On those episodes.
00:21:31
Speaker
And sometimes they're completely like... If they have a game where it's like... We really don't have anything to make an interesting story about. They just make something up instead. Like the Pac-Man episode.
00:21:42
Speaker
Is like... You don't remember that one? so the pacman I remember it being dumb. It is dumb. well so It's dumb, but it's because they made it like a horror drama. so it's like eight When you say dumb, it's just like completely twisted. The idea is like...
00:21:59
Speaker
um i think a person is picked it's like a clone or something like that that then is trained taught to consume and then they're supposed to escape the like confines of this area um by a force that they think that is like helping them. I think this is the, the, the Pac-Man or whatever, but in reality, it's, uh, trying to manipulate them because it itself is stuck here and it can't free itself. It needs the person to do it.
00:22:34
Speaker
Has nothing to do with a game of Pac-Man. It sounds like Dave's ex Machina to me, ah hu but it's like from a, uh, from a, an animation perspective, very impressive. Most the episodes are, It's very compelling.
00:22:50
Speaker
And something that is really like hit me with secret level is like. Most of the time, if you're watching an anime or like heavens forbid, like a long show that's like made in the US. It's like you get a couple seasons of good ideas and then they have to start phoning at home. And if you're lucky, the good ideas come back at a certain point and you're very rarely lucky. And it's just like they have to kind of just make do.
00:23:22
Speaker
Secret level is like, we got like 30 minutes, maybe 40. We literally have to just pack all of our good ideas for this entire franchise into a scenario in this little box.
00:23:37
Speaker
And it's just so potent because of that. Like, they're just, it's immensely interesting if you have any familiarity with the ah the content at all. And sometimes even if you don't.
00:23:50
Speaker
I think I remember liking the Warhammer one, but typically I like any type of Warhammer cinematic. Warhammer is so freaking good. Because, unfortunately, you you made the mistake of talking about the Warhammer one. So, it follows Titus, who is an ultramarine, I believe, because they're the blue ones and everything follows the ultramarines. They are the stereotypical stereotypical protagonist space marine. Them and a couple other chapters, but...
00:24:18
Speaker
But Titus is like basically as a kid, his attribute is he just isn't afraid of anything. um He's just a perfect space marine because he's incredibly capable.
00:24:32
Speaker
And i he's just he's he's he's just freaking excellent. So they go out on this like expedition to um ah like defeat the warp influence or something like that. They're going to fight demons. Ultimately, that's where it all goes. There's several really cool fights, like really cool action sequences.
00:24:51
Speaker
um And ultimately, it comes down to this this really cool scene where the demons of the warp have like the ability, in this case, to basically petrify or freeze or stop time.
00:25:02
Speaker
And then do like a mental mind battle with someone. And if they ah defeat the person, then they'll just like consume them. But these demons... A battle of wits, you see? Yeah, exactly. Like a normal thing. we all We've all been there.
00:25:19
Speaker
But this demon in this freaking scene... and This is like terrible podcast content, but like check out the scene. um Goes to like mental battle Titus.
00:25:30
Speaker
Actually, and before this. Right before this happens. It makes it even better for the podcast. i but Titus' is squad leader... um is like brought under this thrall, you know, frozen goes into this mental battlescape and the squad leaders fear that is exposed in this battle is Titus.
00:25:51
Speaker
He's just like, Oh, why are you so scared of the guy beneath you? Like in this hierarchy, ah whatever, I guess I'm not going to think about that onto the next one. And then goes to like, do the, the, the mind battle with Titus.
00:26:07
Speaker
And in Titus's mind battle, it's just him as a kid dragging a sword on a battlefield with nothing to fight. With the implication that the only thing that Titus actually fears is not having someone to fight.
00:26:24
Speaker
And then he just turns around with the sword, sees the demon, starts walking towards him, then running towards him. And then just like basically rapidly ages up to like be like first a teenager and then a full grown adult and then a full grown adult in space marine armor.
00:26:41
Speaker
Grabs the like artifact or whatever that this demon has. breaks the spell. The demon tries to like escape into the air. Titus just leaps after him and cuts him down with a knife. It's beautiful. It's freaking beautiful.
00:26:55
Speaker
um It's so good. Such a good scene.
00:27:02
Speaker
So check out his podcast content. yeah um It's just very impressive what they did. um And I love that they all of the episodes kind of Like they're very clearly made with love for the genres they came from.
Warhammer and Modding Community
00:27:20
Speaker
Like they're not just interesting stories, which is the most important thing. um But a lot of times you'll find references and homage and things like that to other elements.
00:27:31
Speaker
in that space or in that game. That's really cool. I like when people who get to work on video game adjacent stuff, give a shit. Yeah. Cause there are so many like movies for like a popular franchise. And someone's like, uh, they like zombies. Oh, we'll give them zombies.
00:27:52
Speaker
Right. And then the interpretation is so far off from the base where it doesn't really feel canon.
00:28:00
Speaker
Yeah, no, it's really good. Definitely check it out. um It's not every day that you get to watch something that's made by people who are passionately invested in it. so
00:28:14
Speaker
Sometimes it's video games. Topic shift. What I've been playing recently, most recently, is two games. Both of them entirely isolationist. There's no social aspect whatsoever.
00:28:27
Speaker
ah um One of them is 40K Rogue Trader, Warhammer 40K Rogue Trader, which is Owlcats, most recent game. They also made Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous and other things like that. This game is still super nerdy. It is a CRPG.
00:28:44
Speaker
Do you not get me wrong. It's not as bad as Pathfinder. It's a lot more manageable than Pathfinder is. It's because everything is more manageable than classic Pathfinder. um But that's been fun.
00:28:57
Speaker
Not going to go into a bunch of detail. If you're interested in that game, you already know about it because there's only like three of these games that come out every year. And the only one anyone really cares about is Baldur's Gate 3.
00:29:08
Speaker
ah But that's okay because it's really good. um That one. And then I was playing Crusader Kings 3, which is the game.
00:29:20
Speaker
If anyone's familiar with it, it's probably because of like absolutely unhinged things they've read on Reddit or something like stories about it because it's basically a family dynasty simulator slash play as a kingdom ruler.
00:29:37
Speaker
With less of a focus on combat and more of a focus on decision making and diplomacy religion. Diplomacy is the perfect word for it, yeah. um But specifically, I've been playing a Vampire the Masquerade mod for it.
00:29:52
Speaker
um which has been developed with ah under actual licensing with White Wolf. They have something called the the the Blood Pack.
00:30:05
Speaker
or I think that's right. Something like that. um Where they're like, okay, you can't make money off this, but if you want to like use pretty much any of our content in your game mod, go for it.
00:30:17
Speaker
just like yeah Just all of it just use it. Just use whatever the crap you want. And this mod's been developed for six years since the game came out. Like the person has a Patreon and it is just a full on conversion mod that is a vampire game at this point.
00:30:37
Speaker
It's definitely more that than Crusader Kings. And it's really good. Really recommend it if you guys like games like that. Do you think that the vampire mod is a recommend as well? Or people should check out the the base game?
00:30:53
Speaker
I mean, if you don't... That's the trick. If you don't like the base... If you have no interest in the base game at all, like at the highest level, the mechanics are still based around the same things.
00:31:03
Speaker
um So I think if you just outright don't like Crusader Kings, you probably won't like the vampire mod. But if you don't really have any interest in... like historical characters. You don't want to play as like Cleopatra if she fought the Holy Roman Empire.
00:31:21
Speaker
And instead, you like want to be an immortal vampire who needs to just try not to screw up and get staked or left in the sun too long. Any time is too long in Vampire at the Masquerade.
00:31:33
Speaker
um it's a, we're it's a really compelling, um, setting for it. And they like, they replaced, they, they added tons of skill trees for all the disciplines. And it's like, Oh, here's your blood magic and your shadow magic and your, you know, uh, mind control and all that other stuff that vampires can do. So that part I recommend for sure.
00:31:56
Speaker
But you do also kind of like half the, like the game, I guess, but,
00:32:02
Speaker
That's usually true of, uh, I wouldn't recommend playing a dark souls three conversion mod. If you don't like dark souls three. Yes. Even if you really like Pokemon, it's still, it's kind of like budget Pokemon.
00:32:18
Speaker
That was the convergence mod, right? That was what the, I think so. Yeah. Specific one was. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, the, uh, modding community is great. Yeah. I was about to say, uh, shout out to the mods.
00:32:31
Speaker
Um, because it's not easy to program stuff. It's not easy to like program stuff into something that's already made. um Like I know Inferno Plus will still occasionally drop a a mod video of like, hey, I put Elden Ring in Halo 2 and you're like, all right, and see what this shit's about.
00:32:55
Speaker
Right. But it takes a ah lot of dedication and
00:33:02
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99% of the time they aren't doing it for money. Yes. Like if they can make money off of it, like somebody making patrons like, Hey, there's something I'm working on. If you want to help me make this, you can do so financially. um But yeah, it always just starts out as like a, Hey, wouldn't this be cool type of project. And I love things that are made from inspiration and love.
00:33:29
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Yeah, in fact, it's it's a well-documented fact that modders generally do not make money. um There have been, like, I play modded game versions of games, like, all the time. Obviously, anything that Bethesda's ever made is made possible by viewers like you. No, the community um and mods and stuff like that.
00:33:53
Speaker
But, like... To be honest, even like attempts to try to monetize mods are usually kind of met with significant backlash. um If it's not just like, here's my coffee, here's my Patreon, it's 100% optional. you know any Any sort of like mandatory paid modding scheme, doesn't it doesn't usually get reserved. like ah It's not taken in the best light, I guess.
00:34:23
Speaker
And I think the community the community could do some growing there because everybody's got to eat. But like I also kind of understand it at times. um Well, I think if you don't have a relationship with the people who made the original game, for you to like take their stuff and change it and then redistribute it,
00:34:48
Speaker
They do have some say over that because it is their IP. In general, I don't think people should be like overly sticklers about it.
00:35:01
Speaker
Yeah, you should protect your stuff, but if somebody's doing something for fun and they're not... If they're not taking money from you, if there's something like, hey, I enjoyed this game. Somebody made a mod.
00:35:13
Speaker
I want to check it out and I want to support them too. okay like i think that's fine yeah the modders spent their time they get their money the people who made the base game uh gets their money yeah and i think like what you're describing it sounds like is the setup that you're using maybe a third ip you're using somebody else's ip in your mod um And that does introduce that legal question. Right. and We're not a legal podcast, but I do know that if people are infringing on your IP, say like um I was in Sky, i I was making a mod for Skyrim and I was like, you know what?
00:35:53
Speaker
I feel like this needs more Mickey Mouse. I just tried to put like Mickey Mouse into Skyrim. We're not talking Steamboat Willie, like full on modern art style Mickey Mouse infringement.
00:36:06
Speaker
Like I have signed my own death warrant. um the The mouse does not forgive and the mouse does not forget. um There's no way that you're escaping that type of situation if you charge for that mod.
00:36:19
Speaker
Right. Right. um And it's because Disney's like, well, if they don't defend their rights, it actually erodes the ground under their feet. And then future infringement becomes more difficult to defend against.
00:36:34
Speaker
Motherfucking precedent. Yes. The law is a curious beast and I hate it But this is the reason, like, if you know that you're going to need to charge for something or you you want to charge for your mod, it shouldn't really infringe on anyone's business.
00:36:52
Speaker
It's basically the safest way to do it. But even then, you know, you have to really... you have to really be able to show the community that you're on their side.
00:37:02
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Um, and this isn't just an effort to, you know, pull a bunch of money out of them because people also hate when things that are free start costing money. Yeah. Um, you can't really up prices on something like that.
00:37:19
Speaker
Yeah. It's pretty tough, but I, I have faith that eventually we'll have some sort of reasonable system for it. Um, I paid, i think it was like $100 years ago for Nexus, where like most of these mods are all hosted to get like a lifetime premium.
00:37:41
Speaker
Because I was like, I have used so many mods, and I will continue to use so many mods. It's absolutely worth $100. It spans so many different games.
00:37:52
Speaker
Give me the better bandwidth. Let me go. That helped the site. But like I haven't paid all of the modders that I get mods from. But also, I get so many mods. And you can see how this turns into the question of you know how much money should I provide someone for the Acquisitive Soul Gyms mod or Lightsabers and Skyrim or something like that. It's tough. There's no easy answer there.
00:38:22
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No, I will say I have appreciated the model though, where using Dota 2 as an example, people make custom game modes and you can just download them from the arcade, play them at any point, no charge to you.
00:38:36
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ah But they might have something for like, hey, if you enjoy this game mode and want to unlock certain cosmetics that were added or something else, it's just like,
00:38:49
Speaker
hey, you can throw me a little bit of Dosh for a little bit of fun cosmetics, which is how a lot of games do it. Yeah, like a supporter pack or something. Yeah. Yeah, i think that's I think that's very fair, especially if the level of effort that the person put in is they made an entire game mode, right? like This could have been a separate game.
00:39:10
Speaker
They didn't have to put it in as a mod in Dota. Remember when a mod in Dota became its own game and its own genre of game? Crazy times. I remember a mod in a different game became Dota.
00:39:26
Speaker
yeah Mods are scary. They can reproduce. it's true We can go recursive levels down deep. Except Discord and Reddit mods. That's not going to be a problem for any of them. Those are single generation all the way down.
00:39:42
Speaker
They don't fuck. That's what we're saying. Yes, exactly. Exactly. ah But yeah, I feel like I do have to make mention. um
Deltarune and Toby Fox's Success
00:39:53
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New Deltarune chapter dropped yesterday at time of recording.
00:39:58
Speaker
I have played a little bit. I am enjoying it. I wonder wonders the whole thing today because I had the day off. um But I want to space it out and digest it a little bit instead of doing a five hour crunch. And then I'm like, what happened? Then I spent 10 hours watching lore videos. I'm like, oh, I missed that. Oh, I missed that. That's crazy.
00:40:21
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Yeah. Yeah. It's like. a And Toby Fox started in modding for that. um Was it Earthbound?
00:40:34
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and It's the game that's like Earthbound. yeah well Mother is the Japanese game. I can't remember the name of it. I'm going forget to freaking look this up. but What do you mean the other game that's like Earthbound? because it's like It's not a parody.
00:40:54
Speaker
It's another word that's like that. It's an Earthbound Halloween hack, I guess is what it was. Homestuck. Okay, that was a webcomic is Homestuck.
00:41:06
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That's what I was actually thinking of. But yes, he worked on Halloween hack for it. I will say Homestuck has become a game. I don't know how many chapters they have out.
00:41:21
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But if you're a Homestuck fan and you want to relive some of the content via game, some some amount of that is now available homestuckrunner.com dot com um but yeah delta rune i'm glad that they are still coming out with those what are we up to in chapters five this is five what are we going to seven or eight seven i forget oh that's pretty crazy do you think he needs the money
00:41:55
Speaker
No. i't know I think he's made a lot of money from Elder... Jesus. Undertale and different Deltarune chapters... Because like they had Switch releases. I can't imagine you like you're making a Switch game and you're like, yeah, I'm poor.
00:42:13
Speaker
I hope anyway. I think he's probably doing okay. Especially given that I'm pretty sure Eldenertale and Deltarune have all been self-published. And relatively small teams of contributors. Yeah. With wild success. yeah I will say, without spoiling...
00:42:32
Speaker
I am always impressed at how um the games will surprise me. Whether it's like I'm not expecting to laugh at something and they write something in well or they're doing something over the top that doesn't need to be over the top.
00:42:53
Speaker
Yeah. It's just i'm like, oh okay. Damn. Yeah. That's very much these games too. i think I think the we've talked about it in the previous episodes for Delta Rune, but like each of these games has a focus. It has almost like a genre to it.
00:43:10
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It has a setting at the very least. And a lot of times they introduce some new novel wacky situation for everybody to be in. Yes, but also the antagonist of a chapter becomes like, how do we top that?
00:43:28
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How do we top that? Because it started out with Chaos King, who wasn't an ongoing
Cyberpunk 2077 and DLC Comparisons
00:43:34
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character. kind of like a a final boss type thing.
00:43:39
Speaker
And then Queen was an active character and super crazy and off the walls. Mm hmm.
00:43:45
Speaker
Yeah, it's kind of like Power Rangers in a way. It's like, well, you need somebody else that's also dangerous. We just leveled everybody else up. So this next character has got to be like an even bigger threat and an even bigger threat and bigger threat.
00:43:59
Speaker
Okay, that's not working anymore. We got to depower the protagonist. Okay, now we can go back to it. yeah Sorry, Dr. Light, I misplaced all of my upgrades? Yeah. just garbage disposal whirling in the background. Imagine if Mega Man had all of his power-ups.
00:44:19
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Yeah. He'd kind of be like a Adam what from Cyberpunk? Smasher. Adam Smasher, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because of the pun, the the play on words.
00:44:32
Speaker
Adam Smasher. Oh. Yeah, yeah. but I realized was a phrase people say. Yeah. Adam's. but Well, that's a thing. I liked him a lot in um the cyberpunk show, actually, more so than 2077.
00:44:48
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I still liked him in 2077. But everyone's seen the cyberpunk show. Like, even if you don't like anime, you've seen Edgerunners, right? I have. Yeah, I was like... ah Yeah, no, as... i'm kind of surprised we never had talked about that one, actually. But as someone who...
00:45:10
Speaker
Bought the game at launch. Maybe not my best decision. Not a fine moment final moment. Man, I told people, but it's been a while. I took time off for the launch window of Cyberpunk.
00:45:22
Speaker
Then they moved it back. And so I like moved my time off or took more time off or whatever. I feel like that happened at least once or twice. I think it happened twice. i think it was twice.
00:45:33
Speaker
And then like the game actually launched and it was just like such a broken mess. And I was just like, come on, guys, you're not supposed to be Bethesda. Like, you're better than this. of And Bethesda will never stop catching strays, but that's fine. They deserve it. I mean, same with Nintendo and their shitty netcode and framerate. They can do better. They have the money. They've made really good games. They could just buy the people that know how to do it better.
00:46:06
Speaker
But yeah, the show is so good. It's just so incredibly good. They went back and they patched some of that stuff into the game too. You can find references to David. yeah I need to go back and play it again because a DLC was added.
00:46:21
Speaker
a lot of optimizations and fixes. It's also just been been a bit. Yeah, it's honestly like I'm about to say this. I don't know if I agree with that 100%, but I'll say it. We'll do it for the bit. But like probably one of the best DLC that of like has been made as far as like what it actually expands, what it adds to the game and the quality of that. Because like the base game is good. Do not get me wrong.
00:46:48
Speaker
But the simulation and like playing in Cyberpunk is so much of it. um The story is good and there are some really good set pieces, but like the set pieces in Phantom Liberty are just like so good.
00:47:02
Speaker
um Yeah. Anyways, I'll take your word for it because I haven't played through it. There's a wow. Why can I not find name?
00:47:17
Speaker
Idris Elba. You're exactly correct. I'm literally looking at Solomon Reed and I was like, why can I remember Idris Elba? I've been reading mine since day one. People are always thinking about Idris. There's like, i mean, fair, to be honest, um is like a very primary character in the DLC. Um,
00:47:39
Speaker
And I feel like so I had I had my reservations with Keanu Reeves as Johnny Silverhand. um But he did like he did a great job. Like, don't get me wrong. He did. that He did an excellent job. It's just there have been plenty of like celebrity cameos and things in games where it doesn't add anything.
00:47:59
Speaker
You're like, oh, we got freaking Chuck Norris or whatever. What was the fucking Rock Hay City thing? Rock Hay City is exactly what I was thinking of. Who has Chuck Norris and the guy from Grand Theft Auto. um Whose name I don't even care to remember. Sorry, guy. Hopefully you don't listen. um But yeah, like literally could have just like this this. The plot was so bad adding.
00:48:23
Speaker
celebrities to it didn't help but like conversely cyberpunk it's not keanu reeves it's johnny silverhand like he's playing the character johnny silverhand he's being an actor he's not playing himself it does still very much come off as like mean keanu reeves don't think you'd ever watch from movie be like Have I seen this actor before? Like, you know, it's Keanu Reeves from his voice. But I think for Johnny Silverhand, it fits. It does. At no point was I like, this character doesn't seem right. They could have gotten somebody else to make this character. i'm like, that's that is Johnny Silverhand for sure. Yeah.
00:49:05
Speaker
Yeah. No, they the the character mesh, the engram matches completely. um And you could see you're like, okay, if Keanu Reeves was like a little bit less sad and did a little bit more drugs and was a musician, you could absolutely see him as basically like Johnny Silverhand.
00:49:25
Speaker
Um, Now, that being said, Johnny Silverhand has some absolutely unhinged tendencies and has a through line for anarchism that I assume Keanu Reeves does not have. But...
00:49:44
Speaker
but it makes it's It's such a good setting. I mean, I'm the most biased person. i ran a cyberpunk tabletop campaign for years. um And I'm just glad that the game doesn't suck anymore. 2.0 was the big turnaround.
00:50:00
Speaker
um And Phantom Liberty, you can get with 2.0 if you somehow have not heard about this game. all in all in All together for the Ultimate Edition. and Yeah.
00:50:11
Speaker
So good. So good. Would you say that it's a ah better DLC by those standards for, um, compared to Elden Ring's DLC?
00:50:21
Speaker
Oh man. I mean, so we're, we're, we're not, we're not like fighting our way through the tier list to get to the grand master fights ah in this comparison. Like the Elden Ring DLC is really, really good.
00:50:37
Speaker
Like it's incredible. Um, It could have been, and to me, this is my kind of hot take, maybe almost should have been standalone. Because I actually... That's one of my biggest gripes with the DLC. Is it has almost nothing to do with the base game.
00:50:55
Speaker
And you have to get through so much of the base game to experience the DLC. Which is going to do its power leveling shenanigans anyways. By making you collect the Shadu fragments.
00:51:07
Speaker
Blue Skidoo fragments. You can too. And it's like... Really? Why did I kill Moog for this? right it It would be... interesting they definitely have to tweak a lot because they're assuming that you're coming in from beating most of the base game yeah most of the base game and um yeah they'd have to put in some like level one content and it definitely ain't that
00:51:39
Speaker
um A lot of it is numbers sliding, I think, for parts of it. um But they hit you with a DLC special, which is, welcome to the new area. We found a way to depower you so that yeah you can go through the progression loop again, which is not bad. It's like it's been done since forever. Yeah.
00:52:00
Speaker
But that that thing aside, whether it should be a standalone game or the the the base thing, it is an absolutely excellent DLC. And in many ways, it's actually just like better in the art of game design than like base Elden Ring.
00:52:18
Speaker
Like, oh, the yeah. There's something about going to like the the aou Azure Coast for the first time where it's raining.
00:52:31
Speaker
I had lightsabers at this point. Is it Cerulean? I know there is a Cerulean. Maybe there's two, but yeah. It might be that then. It was some type of blue. it was AWS. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:52:45
Speaker
Um... But yeah, it was just like these beautiful like blue flowers going in the breeze with like a little bit of overcast rain. Oh, it's such a good scene. There's the light coming off of you and the water, and it's just... It's really pretty.
00:53:04
Speaker
And having fucked with GameStuff a modicum, i don't know how the fuck they do that. Because...
00:53:16
Speaker
You have to do a lot of like animation and lighting and it it feels cohesive. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. But. It was really cool just exploring that area going off these like giant sarcophagi. And then I'm like. There's a big hole in the ground. Maybe should check that out. Uh huh. Right.
00:53:35
Speaker
Yeah, no it's it's really good. I find it difficult to compare the two because it's like they both fit their respective games like perfectly in my mind. um the difference The point I would give Cyberpunk over...
00:53:54
Speaker
Shadow of the Erdtree. a Shadow of the Erdtree is like a very separate experience. And technically, you'll probably do everything in Dogtown, which is theber the cyberpunk area. It's like a big arena. It's like the entire DLC basically takes place in like this massive arena that was ah originally intended for sports.
00:54:16
Speaker
um But it's been like torn down and like gutted. And it's just got all this really cool. Really cool. but um The points I give it is it's like you can kind of just go from that back to the base game. If you beat Shadow of the Erd Tree, you're done. Like, if you hadn't completed the base game, i mean, you could go do that, I guess. It is going to you're going to be walking around the bases and to to to get back comparatively. Yeah.
FromSoftware's Duskbloods Speculations
00:54:47
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You're allowed to die once to any other boss in the base game after you beat Shadow of the Earth Tree. If it takes you more than one, clearly somebody else beat the DLC for you. There's no other explanation.
00:55:01
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Is that enough gatekeeping? I think it's probably the appropriate amount.
00:55:08
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yeah I would say no amount is the best amount. Okay. Because I want more people to play it so I can hype about it with them. Yes. I will say our friend has ah just started it.
00:55:20
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Dang. Well, I'm going to have to check and be apprised ah for the follow-up. um But, yeah.
00:55:31
Speaker
Shadow of the Eretree is, like, incredible. Don't get me wrong. And... We don't have time to talk about this. So I'm going to bring it up. But I have to bring it up because it's it's like it's necessary to introduce topics as the podcast is winding down that we cannot dedicate necessary time to. It is part of our brand, um but the duskbloods.
00:56:01
Speaker
from soft's next game i don't know what they're doing with it it doesn't look that good to me nobody does they've really only shown the one trailer shadow of the earth tree looks so much better than like random bs go uh freaking fortnight uh bloodborne so Steampunk trains. Here's the thing, right?
00:56:30
Speaker
I am skeptical as much as the next person. Yeah. I will say I was also pretty skeptical about Night Rain being a thing that would even work.
00:56:43
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Yeah. like, this seems dumb. And then we got stacks going. Everyone's like, this is fucking awesome. ah hu I think part of the trick is, though, like, so we know that Duskbloods is going to be competitive, not strictly cooperative.
00:57:00
Speaker
Like, yeah, I think it's a PVE and PVP. Yeah, lots of E's and P's and V's um involved in the acronym. But like. they They mentioned and I assume this is still early development and stuff might change for it, but they mentioned like some of the scenarios are going to be it's just you basically fighting everybody else and then the last person alive wins. Great. Battle Royale.
00:57:23
Speaker
What a novel concept. We haven't heard anything about that before. Or it could be like you load into a match and there's a special scenario, right? Something like the Night Rain equivalent, I guess, would be like shifting earth. But you're actually notified of that in advance, which is really nice in in Night Rain.
00:57:40
Speaker
But it's like, OK, you load it into the map and there's like a raid boss or something like that. Something like you might see in like Marathon or whatever the crap. And it's like, OK, this is your incentive to not just kill each other, but maybe be a little bit cooperative. And like Marathon has soured me on this concept of mixed PvP cooperative nature where.
00:58:02
Speaker
I don't know if I trust, right? Like, I've been stabbed a lot in Dark Souls. I don't know if the Dark Souls players are going to stop stabbing me, you know? like Yeah. Especially you haven't done It has actively not been cooperative. Yeah. um I mean, you can play with somebody. Like, you can bring in a buddy or two, but...
00:58:25
Speaker
Or three, depending on exactly what's going on. worlds cross, it's usually to kill you to get something with that faction. Yeah. Yeah, and it's been a lot opt-in as well. You kind of like always... I guess that's not strictly true. You don't always opt into the multiplayer experience. Literally, Dark Souls PvP and its most hardcore is like even if you die, you can just be reinvaded. And eventually, they kind of like dialed that back. And by the time they got to Elden Ring, it's like, well, you actually just can't be invaded by players unless you're in co-op.
00:59:01
Speaker
That's the only time you can. But it allows you to kind of tailor your experience at a point. Whereas this game is going to be like, I don't want to i don't want to say you know too much bad about it, but like some feedback I've seen, which I agree with, is I'm not sure what they're going for.
00:59:18
Speaker
It feels like a little bit of a smash everything together like Night Rain is. But Night Rain lands that because even though it's a smash everything together, they still have this cohesive kind of theming with the...
00:59:36
Speaker
I can't even remember the game's name for the people. Nightfarers, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nightfarers. We're like, they all are fantasy, right? They all come from fantasy background. You're fighting big bads. You're not fighting like mechs and stuff like that.
00:59:55
Speaker
Dustbloods, it looks like you could actually at times be fighting mechs. I mean, there's at least steampunks on the table. So like, I don't know. We'll see. But talking about shadow of the year tree, let's be think of that. but I'm like, what are they doing? What are they doing in these days?
01:00:11
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I
Gaming Industry Trends and GTA Speculations
01:00:12
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don't think the cross genre stuff for me is as concerning because Darren Corb exists and super giant.
01:00:24
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um They can just take the aesthetics and run with it. So I think that that is jumpable hurdle. I am still skeptical of the PvE PvP thing, as we were discussing. Yeah, because.
01:00:42
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Hasn't been done before um under from soft and. I can't imagine an ideal scenario for me where I'm like, this would be the ideal game for me to play with strangers where they could help me or could not help me.
01:00:58
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Yeah. Like if you look at the trailer that we've seen for it, it seems like there's like martial arts and like sword play and someone with like dual pistols. It looks like they could have been from guns. The dual and like that's like they were literally jumping in the air at someone like shooting pistols down at him like it's the freaking Matrix or something.
01:01:22
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And I, I just, I gotta see it. Right. Like show me how I need another trailer at the very least. Yes. Cause I'm like, keep showing the same one.
01:01:33
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I'm just like Kojima levels of concern with what I've seen. Like you, you showed me something and Jake, she lights candles and then screams. Okay. What more do you want? No, it's fair. That is a lot.
01:01:48
Speaker
Can't be. Can't be too picky. But anyways, we'll see what it is. I'm sure we're going to have more coverage of that game as soon as we learn anything about it, I guess. I'll be honest. I don't need new good games to come out.
01:02:05
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o For probably two years. Yeah. I'm not saying please don't. No, i hate good things. But I feel like a lot of really good things have been coming out over the past couple of years that are worth checking out.
01:02:23
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You know what's funny is we were making were poking fun at me for being like, oh, here's the introduce something that we're not going to have time to talk about. We could literally, we probably will have an episode. It's just like, is the game industry dying? Is the games industry dying? It's a question I think you can ask.
01:02:41
Speaker
Like, we've had so many games launch that have just fallen flat on their faces. lot of like live service. But like, also, people got a little bit less money to spend. Don't need to focus too much on that. But like the You know, what is Grand Theft Auto going to do? is Is it just going to just vacuum up all of the air in the room and no one's going to be playing these other games?
01:03:02
Speaker
Are people playing as many games? I think it will pop off a lot. I don't think it's going to take the place of certain types of
Gaming Backlogs and Revisiting Older Games
01:03:14
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games. Yeah.
01:03:16
Speaker
Like i don't if you if you play lots of games that are going to be like pretty open world, RP explore, do what you want. Yeah, this will definitely become that. But if you're like doing CS every night, it's not going to take away CS because that's its own beast, right? Yeah.
01:03:35
Speaker
Like I have Helldivers, I have Warframe, I have games that I own that I've never played that are still on the list. And like, yeah, I'm occasionally picking some something up, but like Crusader Kings, six year old game and saw the mod and I'm playing it. I actually, I'll just admit this for everybody. i don't really have any interest in Grand Theft Auto.
01:03:54
Speaker
It's literally the biggest game probably of the decade or some nonsense like that, someone would say. At least in in the Grand Theft Auto franchise, one could argue. i just I don't really care. like I'm with you. i am 100% with you. If they just stopped releasing games for the next two years, I'd be like, ah, time to breathe. Excellent.
01:04:15
Speaker
ah Sorry for everybody who's looking forward to Persona, I guess. But like for for the rest of this, yeah. There's there's enough to do They released Silksong. I'm good. Yeah, exactly. i will say I did start Mina the Hollower.
01:04:31
Speaker
I think we i we talked about this so the other week. Still haven't gotten back to it. Been distracted. Resounding endorsement for this indie video game.
01:04:45
Speaker
It's just Path of Exile 2 will sometimes get its claws in it. that's That is what I'm dealing with. I am a hypocrite. First world problem. It's been about like a year since I played Warframe. There's been two major expansions. They just came out with the next free like content drop.
01:05:02
Speaker
And I'm like, man, if I had time in my life to just dedicate to like a big thing, it would just pull me in like like nothing.
01:05:13
Speaker
I'm just gone. You ever just look at Coke on the table, you're like, i can i can't start doing this again. I ain't got the time for Coke. ain't got the time. Yeah, no, it's a it's literally that. um Yeah.
01:05:25
Speaker
Anyways, I've seen Friends playing it now, too, and i was like, oh my gosh, let's just jump in with Friends. Anyways, that's life. Thank you guys for listening. um If you have life advice or other games that, you know what? We don't even care about the new games. Tell us about the old games you're playing these days because that's that's where my focus is, apparently.
01:05:48
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Send that in. Let us know your thoughts. All of our information is down in the show notes as far as the socials. But otherwise, thank you guys for listening. as always, we'll see you in the Happy Pride Month!
01:06:34
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