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5 | World War Three (S1E5)
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In episode five we cover the episode World War Three of Doctor Who, an episode heavy on fart jokes but with a latter half filled with the consequences of being a time traveler and the complex relationships it creates. Fun! We talk about the Severance podcast, Phineas and Ferb, and Tim Curry so hop in!
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Transcript
Reunion After Break
00:00:18
Speaker
Hello, everyone. Welcome to me. You. And Dr. Hugh. Oh, Hailey, it's been so long. idol sure has. It's not going to feel so so long for the viewers or listeners, I think, because i'm probably going to just be releasing these weekly or semi-weekly. But it has been a month, I think.
00:00:39
Speaker
A little over a month. It's been two. Two months. It's, I guess, in total two months. It's...
Travel and Illness Delays
00:00:46
Speaker
Currently February of 2025 and i did some traveling at the end of December, beginning of January. And then I got the flu. oh wait, I had gotten sick before that.
00:00:59
Speaker
Then i i got better, went traveling. Then came back, got the flu, and we just haven't had the time. And then like, I think once I got better, you had some like scheduling stuff.
00:01:11
Speaker
Yep. That we just like, we were just having issues. You were supposed to even come over, we supposed to hang out. and That's right, Yedick, I foiled three times. I think the Lord himself is just forbidding a reconnection.
00:01:25
Speaker
I practically don't remember who you are anymore. I know. I have a whole new hyperfixation now. yeah I don't even recognize you. Yeah, I was gonna say, like, I was nervous about coming back ah after it being a bit...
00:01:40
Speaker
And I'm gonna...
Podcast Comparisons
00:01:42
Speaker
like Okay, this was the funny thing I was gonna say before we started recording. I have been listening to... Okay, so my hyperfixation right now is ah the show Severance. I'm sure by the time this releases, season two will be over, but we're in the middle of season two. I think episode four just came out last week.
00:01:57
Speaker
And... I have been listening to the official podcast and it feels very similar to how we do our podcast a little where they were they're just watching the episodes and commenting on it.
00:02:10
Speaker
You know what, Hayley? I'm going to let my ego take over. I think we're a little bit funnier than them. Aww. I think, like, maybe maybe this is bold of me to say and maybe we won't even have that many viewers.
00:02:22
Speaker
But you know what? I enjoy that podcast. I think our podcast is going to be just as enjoyable, if not more. Yeah, that's a partial compliment, I suppose. like thank you. That's very sweet. You're like the Adam Scott to my Ben Stiller. Aww.
00:02:39
Speaker
But ah gosh, it's been a while since we've watched the the two... We've got to watch part two of the two-farter. Fart two of the two-farter. Part and I'm so excited to watch it because everything I remember from these two episodes, I believe is all in episode two, aside from like, you know, one or two scenes from... ah Not episode two, but the second part. The second part. Excuse me. so ah And so I'm excited to get into it.
00:03:12
Speaker
ah The episode writer for this episode is Russell T Davies once again. This is his era. I shan't
Episode Production Details
00:03:19
Speaker
interfere with what he does. And we have it directed by Keith Boak?
00:03:25
Speaker
Boak? Boak? feel like Dr. Doofenshmirtz when he learns about the word boat. Boat? Boat? ah and produced by Phil Collinson. ah This episode came out in 2006. Feel old yet?
00:03:39
Speaker
Hailey, do you remember what happened last time? don't know. i don't know I remember... Do you remember the time? So the doctor and... Was this the one where they came back and, like, she's been missing for a year?
00:03:55
Speaker
And... No, everyone's I think that was the previous episode. Oh, wait. No, it wasn't. No, that is. It
Recap and Alien Plot
00:04:03
Speaker
is. It is. Sorry, excuse me. That is that's like the episode where she comes back. because they do the Don't ever doubt me again. Yeah, I'm sorry.
00:04:10
Speaker
Because the uncle cause they do End of the World, the Unquiet Dead, and then she comes back and she's like, hello, mom, I've only been out for the night. And she's like, you've been out for a year. ah We thought you were dead. We thought you were bloody dead.
00:04:24
Speaker
ah Which is a valid reaction, I think. I i can't say I would ah say differently. Don't we usually watch the but next time on and then react to that? Yes, we do. Do you remember that or do you want to rewatch it?
00:04:39
Speaker
i I mean, I just remember that you know, there were aliens dressed up like people they were farting a lot. And there was something with a pig guy. Oh, yeah. A little piggy landed on Earth, but in like a very obvious way that the doctor is like, I think this was on purpose. This like wasn't an act like a crash landing.
00:05:00
Speaker
Oh, I think he said, like, a that this creature originated from Earth. So he was saying, like, so that's weird that, like, he's in, like, an alien ship and he's crash-landed here because this is this is a straight-up just picky guy.
00:05:16
Speaker
And then they killed him! They executed him! Oh, yeah, and they did kill one human person that, like, uh... but so Who cares yeah but cares about that guy? They like farted all over him, they killed him, and they took his skin and they continued with their farting.
00:05:32
Speaker
ah Will it be, I guess, if you don't have too many guesses, Hayley. I mean, it's it's a continuous story. and though Not much to guess I just remember that we're about to get ready for a silent but deadly, apparently. i' definitely remember that. Very polite of him to ask preference first before initiating.
00:05:53
Speaker
It's part of their fart culture. yeah but i think I think we just gotta get into it. I'm eager to watch an episode. It's been so long. Yeah, let's get this show on the road, baby. Alright, we'll be right back. up but Blah, blah, bla blah, blah, blah.
00:06:07
Speaker
Trigger warning for this episode is a minor character death.
00:06:13
Speaker
Okay, well, welcome back everyone. We've just finished watching the episode, took a little break, and now we're back. Uh, Hayley, what did you think of part... fartage?
00:06:26
Speaker
Part two? of world Of World War III. Do you think it was actually like a- it deserved that title of World War III? The title's a little self-aggrandizing, I feel. I do- because the last episode will go down in podcast history as the first one that I was not crazy about. i believe I rated it like a 4 farting aliens out of 10 or something.
00:06:50
Speaker
like that yeah i think i i am also in agreement with you because like i think these two episodes i remember the least when i'm when i think back of like when i watched season one it's like this episode felt like one episode to me and the fact that i didn't even remember it was a two-farter um is i think shows a little bit and uh i do think this one was a little bit better but i still don't think it was uh particularly fantastic i i won't spoil my rating because i've got a good one um
00:07:21
Speaker
I'm excited to get to it at the end of the episode. Oh ah god, i still gotta think of mine. Spoiler alert, it's slightly higher than the other one. I will say, I think that the strengths of this episode, and maybe all of Doctor Who, is when they focus on like character interactions. And I think, um you know what, I think I just feel like that for all shows. I'm a big fan of, like, you know...
00:07:44
Speaker
this premise can be happening, but if you don't have, like, compelling characters who, like, each... If you put two random characters in the room, they would still have an interesting interaction.
00:07:54
Speaker
Then, like, what's the point? Completely agreed. Why are we here, people? And I think because the conflict, or I guess the the bad guys in this episode, get defeated pretty early on. Like, you would expect it to be, like, a whole battle until, like, but until the end, but I think the last, like, fourth...
00:08:13
Speaker
of the episode is like character interaction they really just blew them up and that was it yeah they just i really thought it was going to be more complex than that you know what i thought was going to happen was that there was going to be the big explosion and then there was going to be like and i'll get to you next time doctor and then they like crawl away or something into the gutter Yeah, and then they'll go, and then the doctor would be like, oh I'm northern and I, good riddance.
00:08:44
Speaker
I don't know how to a northern British accent. That's his famous quote. His famous quote. and I love when the doctor shows up and he northerns all over the place. the north The northerning northern. and northern that's That's how you describe me to people.
00:08:56
Speaker
ah Yeah, but this episode was, ah I mean, it it's Russell T. Davies, I think. ah I don't know if he said this himself, but I saw this on the wiki. I was saving this for the end for, like, the trivia section. But we might even just have to skip that because, like, there really wasn't a lot of trivia for this episode. That I guess and that i deemed, like, interesting enough to mention. Some of it is just, like, production stuff or, like...
00:09:20
Speaker
Ooh, we named one of the cops after the town Christopher Eccleston is from. And I'm like, yeah cool. He's dead. oh That's, that's cool. Wow.
Extended Ending Insights
00:09:30
Speaker
Um, and, uh, but I saw in one of the trivia notes that like, they actually had to extend the ending because the episode under ran.
00:09:41
Speaker
So I think it was the intention that the most of the episode was going to be like them fighting the Slovene. But they had some extra time. And I think they filled that time up with really good story.
00:09:54
Speaker
ah Compared to like, unfortunately compared to the Slovene plot, which I personally was like, wow, the farting aliens. They farted all over the place. Wow.
00:10:06
Speaker
just ah I guess to like just summarize the episode real quick, if anyone has skipped over it, ah we basically open up with the cliffhanger from the last episode, which apparently is a is something more engaged in, like I think, Stephen Moffat stories, ah said the Doctor Who wiki. um It's not really like a a method of like a taking the cliffhanger from last episode and like just seamlessly like ah just continuing it.
00:10:35
Speaker
ah They don't really do that for a lot of episodes until like later on in the series when Mr. Moffat takes over or whatever. But again, but I don't know if that's like a good ratio to have because there's not too many two-part episodes of Doctor Who.
00:10:50
Speaker
I think in each season there's probably probably like one or two two-parters. and Yeah, yeah. but I'm saying a lot of numbers right now.
00:11:01
Speaker
But I thought it was very silly the elect electrocution scene. Because I had the... It made me think of a scene from Phineas and Ferb when Buford is like on the like balloon. when No, wait.
00:11:16
Speaker
It's when ah Phineas and his friends are on like this floating balloon thing. And they're like, hey, we gotta get down. And then Buford goes, I'm on it. And then he just takes a string and he pulls it down. And then Baljeet is like...
00:11:30
Speaker
How is that possible? He doesn't weigh any less down there than he did- or any more down there than he did up here. Like, when the doctor grabbed, like, the- it was the ID card from his chest and, like, held it in his hand.
00:11:43
Speaker
Cool, that thing's still electrocuting you. Yeah. Why are you still able to move around and, like, slap it to, like, these guys? And also, I don't think it was established that these guys were a hive mind. It was just that they they were a family.
00:11:57
Speaker
Yeah, no, I don't think the word hive mind was ever used. So I don't understand why electrocuting one of the Slovene electrocuted all of them. i think I think maybe some of this writing was a bit like, eh, we just need to move the story along ah type beats.
00:12:14
Speaker
And they sort of had these shenanigans like escaping in the elevators and doctors all cheeky about it until they, he, Harriet Jones, and Rose Tyler are able to lock themselves in like a cabinet, which they say is built like that because it's so old. Like he lists off the whole history of this room.
00:12:31
Speaker
And because it's so historic, of course there are sci-fi metal doors that are remote activated. Just lock yourself in there in a panic room. Yeah, that's what they had back in the 1700s. That's what they did to protect our founding fathers. actually Wait, no. what What do British people have?
00:12:49
Speaker
Do they have founding? Oh, I don't know. British people. They have the founding colonizers. So, ah while they're doing this, ah why did I put Rose and Mickey? ah Jackie and Mickey. i wrote that that wrote Rose and Mickey my notes. they They sneak around badly.
00:13:05
Speaker
i mean, everyone is sneaking very badly in this episode. They're kind of just walking around out in the open and go, thank goodness they didn't see me. And I'm... I'm pretty sure they would have seen you if this wasn't Doctor Who, but, you know, go off.
00:13:19
Speaker
ah And then we sort of, like, ah start entering this scene of, like, the Doctor on the phone with, like, Mickey, and so everyone's finally talking to each other.
00:13:30
Speaker
But everyone is, like, in such a bad mood. the The vibes are off, I think. And even for a Alien Apocalypse, it's a little much.
00:13:40
Speaker
Yeah, maybe not all because I think Jackie's mad at the doctor because obviously he like basically kidnapped her daughter without her knowing and had her missing for a year. That's crazy that happened.
00:13:53
Speaker
ah Mickey is mad at Jackie because Jackie had accused him of... being a part of the kidnapping or disappearance of Rose. um so she So he's mad at her, she's mad at the doctor, the doctor is mad at Mickey for God knows why. For no reason.
00:14:11
Speaker
I think you said, like, he might be jealous of, like, of him because he's Rose's boyfriend or something. Yeah, like, I wasn't sure if they were trying to, like, I don't feel that way, or I don't think that would be...
00:14:23
Speaker
an interesting direction at all, but I wasn't sure if they were trying to set up like some kind of crappy romance subplot. I feel like at most the road the Ro- Rose? I feel like at most Rose has a crush on the Doctor and the Doctor is like, this is my good friend Rose who I travel with.
00:14:42
Speaker
And then Rose is kind of like, wow, this is amazing, you're amazing. And the Doctor's like, thank you. and i hate your boyfriend and i just hate reason i think he's just annoyed by him that's my theory is that i don't think we've been given a valid reason why the doctor would not like him except for the fact that i guess from the doctor's perspective mickey just gets in the way of like what he's doing sometimes which just feels very petty i guess like oh this annoying little human like i'm trying to do work and he keeps
00:15:15
Speaker
saying things really loud in my face. God, I wish he'd go away. In my notes, I wrote it down to Sheldon Big Bang Theory behavior. Yeah, this is very... This is very, like, overstimulated behavior. Like, the doctor only gets overstimulated by one person. It's Mickey Smith. By one designated human. And he's so mean to him, too. doesn't even call him by his name. He's just like, this is this is Ricky, right? and Yeah, it's Ricky who I hate. Yeah, Ricky who I hate.
00:15:42
Speaker
Ricky who loathe. do I loathe. And I literally have in my notes, the doctor is mean to Mickey, question mark, question mark. Because I'm so confused.
00:15:54
Speaker
But, uh, Mickey basically has this, like, he's like, check out my crappy Blackberry picture of this, like, Slothene making the pog face. Like two pixels.
00:16:05
Speaker
And, uh, the doctor, the doctor looks at that like it's this grand revelation, but I guess it's just to prove, like, you know, they're after, the Slothene are after Jackie and, ah mickey specifically jackie i don't know why this one slothian was like i'm going to have a check on mrs tyler like what does she matter just go this is why you died because you messed with her and you don't mess with jackie tyler uh but i think this is the beginning of like these interesting character interactions where while they're on the phone call uh
00:16:38
Speaker
Jackie like directly just asks the doctor, hey, can you like even guarantee that my daughter is going to be safe traveling with you? And the doctor just
Safety Concerns and Doctor's Role
00:16:47
Speaker
literally cannot answer her.
00:16:49
Speaker
And this begins the common, or the reoccurring, ah um it's not a joke, but it's more like Jackie keeps asking these questions of the doctor and he keep he and Rose just keep not giving her direct answers.
00:17:08
Speaker
ah which I think of all people deserving to be like angry, I think Jackie probably is the most. Can you imagine like losing like the person you love the most in this world for like your child for a year thinking like anything and everything could have happened to her and she's acting like it's all chill and fine?
00:17:34
Speaker
In our ah reaction to the episode, I mean, you know, I don't want to be too biased by my mama's girl identity, but I was saying, like, you really can't spend one night with your mother after she thought you were dead for year.
00:17:50
Speaker
The space meteor storm whatever the will still be there. Yeah, don't worry about it. You can do it another time. Like, she's, like, saying, it's a time machine. We'll come back for you. It's like, yeah, it's a time machine.
00:18:01
Speaker
You can hold it off. Or, like... Five minutes. How about you use that time machine to go back to Tawaro and spend some time with your dang mother? Good gracious.
00:18:12
Speaker
Because it's, the I think the craziest thing is like, ah because Rose is basically saying like, hey, you know the reason I've been gone for a year? I'm going to go back there and, you know, risk being gone for even longer. Because...
00:18:27
Speaker
get think i mean and we might i guess we might as well talk about, even though this is like more later in the episode, I think it's kind of crazy that she's using she's saying, like you know, it I'll just be like 10 seconds, basically.
00:18:39
Speaker
But like the whole reason this happened was because the doctor said... Yeah, it's just been like one day since we've gone back and I'm gonna take you back like one day.
00:18:50
Speaker
and then he was the one who messed up. Like they can't make prom- Like neither of them can make promises like that. Like I'm gonna be back in like a minute or two. Like literally. From Jackie's perspective, every feeling she has is very valid and I do not blame her. Yeah, no, I would lose mind. Yeah, do not her for her actions. Except I do not approve of her blaming Mickey for all this.
00:19:15
Speaker
feels very rude, even though I know Mickey can't really explain, like, why he didn't have anything to do with it. mean, Mickey's just getting so much crap from all sides. Like, he deserves to just blow up at at everybody, honestly.
00:19:29
Speaker
he's He's gonna... listen to This episode was, like, Jackie's crash out, ah or the or these two episodes. ah i I... If I recall correctly, I do think there's, like... There's gotta to be... so I think there's episodes in the future where Mickey crashes out. Like, uh...
00:19:45
Speaker
He deserves it. I look forward to it. Yeah, I can't wait till we get to there.
00:19:50
Speaker
He has a... Not to spoil anything. He has a very interesting question mark, ah I guess arc, would you call it?
00:20:01
Speaker
Like storyline. um he goes He goes on a journey. He journeys. And he ends up somewhere. And I guess we'll find out where he ends up, whether physically or or metaphorically, where he might be. I really like him. He's one of my favorites, so I'll be very upset. if ah If I personally am not pleased by this ending from a 20-year-old TV show, I will not be happy. I'm going to be writing stern letters to the Queen herself. I'm going to slip them into her grave because she's dead.
00:20:33
Speaker
going to have a seance session. I'll bring her back to life. Russell T Davies is right there. i think Russell T Davies, he's back on the show, I think. he like Oh, is he? Yeah, he did like the first four four seasons.
00:20:48
Speaker
He ran the show for the first four seasons, hand it off handed it off to Stephen Moffat. Stephen Moffat handed it off to someone else. I don't remember the name. And then now it's back in the hands of Russell T Davies again, i believe.
00:21:03
Speaker
And people have mixed feelings about his new episodes, but that, you know, we'll we'll judge them when we get there, and I haven't seen those episodes myself yet, so I don't know. But where were we? Everyone's yelling at each other, and then the Sildes show up, and they, did the ah but they, you know what happens is that, let me tell you what happens, they explode him with vinegar.
00:21:29
Speaker
And he just, like, a green Nickelodeon gacks all over the place. Oh, yeah, if I have fight note. It's like a like Nickelodeon green dye ramen or something. And then, like, once that all happens, ah they back in, like, with ah Rose, Hera-Jones, and the Doctor, they basically figure out the motivations the Slithian have. And it's basically basically to...
00:21:51
Speaker
ah cause a nuclear war, so I believe like the planet gets like irradiated, and so when there's no life left, they have they have like physical materials they can sell to like various ah aliens and other people in the market. Yeah, for like fuel.
00:22:07
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And ah the doctor's basically like, wow, that's crazy. I'm gonna kill you now. Or he's gonna defeat them, I guess. Because I think this narrative tries to make it so the doctor doesn't kill people too much.
00:22:27
Speaker
But oftentimes, if you make him angry, he'll like, all right, I tried to let you out of this. Like, he literally, I think he does try to like be like what like, why are you doing this? Why can't, like you know, do something else, do anything else. And they're like, no, no.
00:22:45
Speaker
ah But I do believe he just, this part was really silly. He he vaguely goes, ah i have a plan now, but I can't guarantee Rose's safety if we do it.
00:22:57
Speaker
And like for the longest time, they start doing the plan without telling us what the plan is. And I got very confused on like what was happening for a hot minute. I think they just like bombed the building they were in basically. They bombed them. They kept bombing them. Bombing them again. and and don't stop bombing them and they were like okay we're gonna die now and then rose was like actually what we could do is we could hide in this closet actually and they're like all right rose and then they hide in the closet and then you know me i'm literally like well this can't possibly work this is how are they gonna get out of this one yeah it will yeah are these rascals do it
00:23:43
Speaker
Well, I guess it was more in the lines like, that can't possibly be the answer. Like, they're just going to hide in a closet. Like, ah I know it's like lined with like metal, but it literally looks like a wooden closet.
00:23:54
Speaker
and and And then they make it. They make it. I suggest trying this in real life. I'm sure it would work just as well. will Try this at home. You will be successful in your endeavors.
00:24:06
Speaker
And, uh, the doctor's been having this, like, running thing of, like, Harriet Jones, where do I know that name? And once they explode the building and kill all the Slothene, because this kills them very- feel like this all happens very fast, but this, like, exp explodes them and it kills them.
00:24:20
Speaker
And, uh, they ah They basically walk out of it fine, and Harriet Jones is like, I'm going to address the people so that way you know they know that they're safe.
00:24:31
Speaker
And then she walks off, and the doctor is like, ah, yes, she's the future Prime Minister. only remembered it just now. ah But yeah, thats that's what I remembered like earlier in the episode when the Doctor was like, where have i heard that name before? And I'm like, oh, are they going to talk about how she's the Prime Minister?
00:24:52
Speaker
Oh, does that actually come into play? We get to see her become Prime Minister? ah Not to say anything in the future, but she does appear a little bit later as the Prime Minister. that's cool Yeah. and I like that, because she's likable. She's a very likable character. It's very funny how...
00:25:08
Speaker
she See, that I felt like was using the fart joke a little bit better, was it because that's a little more creative, was her, like, while they're about to be blown to smithereen, she still feels guilty saying the word fart. Yeah, that's Especially because that shows her character well, too, that she's a very polite person.
00:25:22
Speaker
Yeah, because the joke isn't her going, like, saying the word fart like a lot of these other jokes have been. It's her going, pardon the word, and then yeah and doing that once, and then saying fart again, and again going, pardon the word.
00:25:36
Speaker
Well, again, they're about to be blown up. Yeah, and she's much more polite about it than we were about farts. and Especially in our actual episode reaction.
00:25:48
Speaker
We're not the most polite people. Yeah, it's isn it we just like being silly. We're silly little guys, all right? little little bit um But this basically saves the day. ah She's on TV. She kind of gets the credit for, like, I guess, saving the world. I don't really remember why. I guess because she...
00:26:06
Speaker
Politics. Because she gave a good speech because she was like, ah because she got to be alien racist for a bit and be like, mankind's number one. And everybody was like, yay, we hate aliens. I hate aliens. I can't say that.
00:26:21
Speaker
Oh my God. Yeah. Well, yeah, she she basically gets ah credit for like saving the... ah the the world or the country i guess it's it's world war three so i guess she saved the world uh jackie and rose are like later watching this on tv and jackie's like oh you deserve the credit for that and then okay so let's so i want to talk about this next scene i know where this is going because the way it happens is uh jackie goes you know what you know, he, the doctor, the doctor and you, you guys have saved the world. I'm willing to like talk with him just to get to know him. So it seems like you're going to be like staying and hanging out with him. And I'm like, okay, I like where this is going. This good, ah you know, character ah talking, especially for someone who, you know, went through trauma, basically horrible trauma, losing her daughter.
00:27:14
Speaker
ah The fact that she's willing to like sit down and talk, you know, ah amicably with the guy basically responsible for it, I think says a lot about, you know, what she's willing to do because she loves her daughter.
00:27:27
Speaker
Okay. I'll tell you
Doctor's Behavior Criticism
00:27:30
Speaker
this much, Ailey. did not remember this scene from season one of Doctor Who. The doctor basically, he's calling her and he's like, all right, you ready to head out or whatever?
00:27:40
Speaker
And Rose is like, well, can we stay for a bit? My mom wants us to have dinner. And he's like, Why would I want to do that? And she's like, well, it's just like a cup of tea. um and he's like, yeah, I don't really do that. ah Let's go to this like star explosion nebula thing.
00:27:56
Speaker
And that will be pretty cool. And it's you could either go and stay for dinner or you could come with me and check out the cool stars and and stuff. And Rose like... takes not very long to think about it and just starts packing up her things to like go with him and leave.
00:28:11
Speaker
And her mother is like pleading with her while she's doing this to like stay home. Haley. It's heartbreaking. This feels so toxic. It is This, if I, if, if my friend had a boyfriend doing this to them,
00:28:31
Speaker
I would be like, girl, get out of there. What? He won't have dinner with your mom? This is the, like, you're introducing your mom to this guy and she's not willing to have, like, dinner with her, like, one time.
00:28:45
Speaker
um And again, you know, that brings up the point of, like, you know, Rose later says, like, to try to quell Jackie's concerns, like, oh, I'll just, it'll it's a time machine. We'll basically be back in, like, a minute.
00:28:56
Speaker
Okay, then stay and time travel because I doubt the star exploding thing is happening right now as we speak. And even if it was, you can time travel back. Okay, not to like spoil what the rules for time travel in this show are because they're vague also.
00:29:14
Speaker
But it seems to be that you can travel to a time where you... your past self has is currently in. Like, your future self and your past self can be okay hanging out the same time.
00:29:27
Speaker
The problems occur when you start interacting with yourself. Like, you can even be as close as like you can see your past self or whatever. But I do believe there are multiple moments in this show where like characters have like traveled to a time where they ah they know their past selves are like currently hanging out somewhere.
00:29:47
Speaker
ah Even if like they don't know where they are. And they're all doing their own thing completely fine. No weird paradoxes or time stream mix-ups. Even if it was happening right now, you you can just go back in time to go visit it You can't have dinner for like 20 minutes.
00:30:05
Speaker
Again, your mother thought she was dead for a year. a whole a year. You know what? Rose has no work-life balance. She needs to ah balance these time escapades a little bit better with her actual life.
00:30:18
Speaker
and And the doctor needs to start respecting those boundaries. And it's so sad hearing her mom saying, like, I'll get a real job. Like, basically begging, like, I'm going to get a real job. I'm going to work on the weekends, like doing anything to get her to stay. That's really crushing. Mm-hmm.
00:30:33
Speaker
And, like, I feel like you could, like, maybe argue that there's a bit of a toxicity there, like, making promises you might not be able to keep. But I feel like compared to what the doctor is doing, like, this is obviously very serious for Jackie. And I feel like this may be, like, the the first time, like, she feels, like...
00:30:55
Speaker
Well, i this is probably the first and only time she felt like Rose's life is being like fully, seriously threatened right now as opposed to like... Yeah. you know that like This is not comparative to like Rose's moving away somewhere and Jackie could just like call her um and she's like, oh, don't move. i won't you know I'll do this, I'll do that.
00:31:14
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This is literally her begging her to stay because she's worried about like her daughter's livelihood. Yeah, because she doesn't want her to get hit by a meteor and ripped apart by fart aliens. Yeah. Which is pretty reasonable.
00:31:25
Speaker
Yeah, it'd be reasonable. And I thought this was the most interesting part of the episode, really. Because, like, go you know, I could go on and on about, like, ah this is, like, a negative thing to be happening, or this is toxic.
00:31:39
Speaker
But it does make for, like, you know, ah a conflict in a story. So Rose can, like, have all this fun stuff happening to her. But I'm glad that there's still a bit of, like, groundedness of, like... you know, her actions have consequences. She can't just, like, go on these, like, uh, monster of the week, uh, adventures.
00:31:59
Speaker
Uh, because- Because something could literally happen to her in every episode, and it seems like the doctor-
00:32:08
Speaker
is like, I never said that you would be safe. I'm telling you right now that it is not safe to hang out with me. And the fact that Rose is like, yeah, that's fine with me. Seems, the narrative seems to take that as an okay.
00:32:22
Speaker
And Jackie goes, what the hell? That's not okay. And I think there's also, and I think, what what is it that Mickey says? He's like, I don't think I could handle this, so I don't really want to come with you, but don't tell Rose I said that.
00:32:35
Speaker
Yeah, that made me so sad too. Like, I wish Mickey could just talk to Rose about this. I kind of understand like he doesn't want to be like a bummer or something.
00:32:46
Speaker
but Yeah, bummer alert. yeah like I feel like especially considering when this came out, it could be like a masculinity issue too. like I wonder if he's worried about seeming like yeah unmanly. Yeah, looking weak or something.
00:32:58
Speaker
Like, yeah, there could be an aspect of that. Like, cause I think Mickey did a really good job this episode with all the hacking he did with all the hacking and stuff, even though like, you know, as a, if I was being a critic about it I'd be like, he just said, I'm in. He literally just said, I'm in after typing the password.
00:33:16
Speaker
Well, that's all you have to do. Yeah. That's all of hacking. Yeah. Yeah, I think like if I maybe he feels as though if he traveled with Rose and the doctor he would kind he would like as opposed to like Occasionally being compared to the doctor he would be constantly compared to the doctor um And I don't think I would want that either, but I also that that Maybe if I have a girlfriend, I
Time Travel Impact on Relationships
00:33:42
Speaker
would want to communicate with her on a regular basis as opposed to she's going traveling ah with some strange man that, from my perspective, I met once and then- From the moon. And then never from the moon. you know
00:33:55
Speaker
i met once a year ago, never saw him again, and then here he is again. Because, you know, now that you bring it up, it is occurring to me how in, like, family-friendly adventure shows, this is very common for, like,
00:34:09
Speaker
Usually it'll be like a kid character or something who just kind of goes on these adventures regularly. And I feel like it's not usually touched upon that much how this impacts their family and friends. So it is interesting whenever you see a show like this that actually does show like the consequences of blowing off the people you care about. So you can go fight fart aliens. Yeah, like I think...
00:34:33
Speaker
yeah like i think Because this episode basically ah has- or not episode, this whole series is basically just the doctor and his like very squishy human companions that can like that have one hit point and he has to protect them constantly.
00:34:50
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i They do continuously explore this ah conflict, basically. Good, I want to see more of it. I i think they explore it with the next companion. i think they they do it with like most of the companions.
00:35:05
Speaker
um Okay. I think if I recall correctly, not to be critical of ah a season we haven't even gotten to yet and I haven't even watched in years, I do believe they kind of bring this conflict up in like season five, but it's not as focused on as it is here.
00:35:24
Speaker
And I feel like maybe part of the reason is like, oh, it's done over this conflict of like the consequences of ah your home life when you travel with the doctor. ah But it's it's a very real thing. And I think it's interesting to have companions who have like connections and families back home, basically. And like what it means for them specifically to be doing this.
00:35:46
Speaker
And that's why I liked the end of this episode. And I thought the first part of this episode was kind of boring. and I completely agree. Yeah, all I have, the last note I have is, toxic doctor, what the hell?
00:35:59
Speaker
I think that summarizes both our thoughts pretty well. Yeah, I... I don't... I think a part of the issue I kind of have also is that um I can't tell if the writing is aware that he's being toxic. Because i know we're using that word a lot because it's a bit of a modern term nowadays. And they didn't really say that back in 2006. I feel like what you would say back then, you'd say like abusive. But I feel like that's a bit harsh.
00:36:28
Speaker
That's a little extreme. Yeah, I don't think the doctor's abusing her at all. I think he always gives her an out, you know? But I think in this episode in particular, he was a bit, not guilt trippy, but he was like, well, you could come with me and say this cool thing, or you could go do the boring thing. It's your choice.
00:36:46
Speaker
ah And then made I think made Rose feel like if she didn't choose to go with him, you know, he would leave her forever. ah possibly. Yeah, he was ah he was kind of like egging her on. He was giving her FOMO. yeah Yeah, a bit. And I didn't really appreciate that. And I feel like this is like the first time I've like disliked the doctor. At least like as opposed to like disliking an action he does even if it's like, even if it makes sense. This feels like
00:37:18
Speaker
Dude, why why are you doing this? but You can't justify this one, white baby. Yeah, white baby, you can you are time-traveling white baby, and I know you can do better than this.
00:37:28
Speaker
You are time-traveling white baby.
00:37:34
Speaker
So, well, but all this to say, like, I can't tell if, like, the writing is, like, aware that he's being toxic in the sense that is if he's gonna learn to be better about this later.
00:37:47
Speaker
um i genuinely can't remember if there is ah storyline about this. If... ah Rose has or maybe has also learned something. I hope it's not just Rose who learns like, you know, I'm with you on that. The consequences of like traveling in space. I think this is a both of their conflict type story. Like, as he's got the guilt of like, I'm putting someone I care about in danger constantly. And Rose is like, I'm being put in danger constantly. And my family is never going to know if I like die or not because, you know, it would be all the way in a completely different location.
00:38:22
Speaker
um I think they both deal with guilt and I really hope that at least in this season, because I do think they address it more in like later seasons as well, but I want the ninth doctor to you know learn from like this kind of behavior. you know I guess we'll just have to keep watching to find out. And so will you. And then you'll have to listen to this podcast because we've actually binded your soul the moment you watch episode one of this show or whatever episode of the show. You've actually been bonded. You have to watch every single episode of this podcast. You have to listen to it in our beautiful voices.
00:38:56
Speaker
And now we're business together forever. Yeah, forever. or However long this goes on for. Yeah, sorry. Sorry. We forgot to tell you. um
Humor and Fantastical Jokes
00:39:05
Speaker
But, you know, not not you know now. So you're the one who signed all those papers when you came in and you gave up your blood pretty willingly. So, yeah, I was there. i me to tell you Haley was there. I was there. We all saw it. And, you know, you just you're just here now. i And i don't I don't know what to tell you.
00:39:22
Speaker
Your newborn is doing well, your firstborn child, we're doing good taking care them. We put her in a tower, her hair is growing longer and longer as we speak. We've named her lettuce, I hope that's not a complete problem.
00:39:35
Speaker
We've named her cabbage patch kid and she's doing very well. We've given her a lizard. She's gonna go. She's gonna, we're gonna, you know, mentally abuse her like you do. um Anyways, just don't don't worry about it, all right? Yeah, don't worry that it's fine. Yeah, you will not have a beautiful... Don't freak out. Yeah, don't freak out. You're not gonna reunite with her in like 18 years and have a beautiful moment. It's fine.
00:40:04
Speaker
So thank you for watching this episode. um Well, it'll tell wait, we gotta give our ratings. Oh, yeah. Oh, well, let me see. I don't know if I have any more, any cool trivia, actually. ah oh I do have a funny one. I i have a couple of funny ones. ah Hit This is just what the wiki on the episode, the TARDIS wiki says.
00:40:24
Speaker
One of them says, Russell T Davies added the scene of the boy cleaning the bad wolf graffiti off the TARDIS in accordance with BBC guidelines. Oh, that's funny. What BBC guidelines is he talking about? I know not. I tried to look up BBC guidelines like on Google and it gave me a giant like website article and I was like, damn, I'm not reading all that. Anyway.
00:40:47
Speaker
I'm still so curious what that was all about with the kid writing. I'm very, very curious about this bad wolf stuff. Ooh, who's to say? i actually... are to say! You! I am to say, i found a cool TikTok edit the other night, and as soon as we finish season one and we know, like, the answers to ah some ah certain things, I'm definitely sending it to you.
00:41:11
Speaker
who And then one other trivia point that I thought was a bit funny was ah it says, at Hensel Castle, the limitations of the Slatine costumes became apparent and it was later found that the digital Slatine matched imperfectly with their live action counterparts. Shocker.
00:41:29
Speaker
ah As a result, the production team agreed to avoid such hybrid approaches in the future. CGI so bad we made a promise not to do it again.
00:41:41
Speaker
Yeah, because I was telling our friend about this episode the other day when I was on a call with her, and I was, you know, talking about the farts, and as I do, the two farts are the aliens, silent but deadly, and I used the term once upon a time CGI, and I don't know if I've used that yet on this show, but I think that's a perfect... I also said during our reaction, Jimmy Neutron CGI, which honestly is more accurate. I did see that. Part of me wanted to be like, oh wow, this is like Sharkboy and Lavagirl type editing. But I honestly, don't want to put disrespect on the Sharkboy and Lavagirl movies or that whole studio.
00:42:17
Speaker
Because those movies were made with love and affection in the director's heart. Unlike this corporate show that we clearly hate on the whole podcast about it. who Yeah, like there there was no love in Doctor Who when they made this.
00:42:31
Speaker
Never. I, you know what I'm upset by? Did they ever explain what the hell was with that pig thing? No, they did not, actually. i don't think they did.
00:42:44
Speaker
ah Because i can under I can get that like maybe this the spaceship was theirs and they like sent someone that sent a little creature out. I guess it was to like to instill like fear or paranoia maybe.
00:42:57
Speaker
Why was the pig bipedal? Why was he able to run around like that? Like, I thought that was going to come back when it was revealed that it was a business. Like, because I made a joke where was like oh we've been stealing pigs. I legit thought it was going to be like, we've been stealing animals and like turning them into slaves. We've been pig farming.
00:43:15
Speaker
Yeah, something. You know, that might have been interesting, I think. Yeah, that would have saved the episode. We shouldn't be writing this show, actually. We should have been writing this when I was six and you were five. You know what? We gotta get a time machine ourselves and we're gonna fix it all. We so do.
00:43:29
Speaker
We
Trivia Source Mention
00:43:30
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are going back in time to get turkeys off the menu. We're going back in time to put pigs on the menu.
00:43:38
Speaker
That's right. That's right!
00:43:42
Speaker
Okay, I think that's all I have for like trivia. All the other trivia was kind of boring. um But I guess if anyone is interested, that i i literally just get the trivia off like the episode wiki page. So go have a gander if you're so curious. Haley, what do you rate this episode?
00:44:00
Speaker
going to rate this five ah metal closets that can somehow allow you to survive a nuclear explosion.
00:44:10
Speaker
Um, uh, let me, let me, I actually have to think about this. Uh, what's a, what's a funny moment? Okay, okay. i got You can do it. No pressure. Okay, okay. I got it. I got it. All right. I'm going to give, I'm going actually get specific with this. I'm going to give the first half of the episode, ah I think, uh, 3.5, uh, blackberries out of 10.
00:44:32
Speaker
ten And then the latter half, I would like to give uh,
00:44:40
Speaker
6.75. My Blurry JPEGs of us pogging Slytherin out of 10. I like that they go together. Yeah.
00:44:50
Speaker
That's my favorite one from you so far. I really thought the first part of the episode was kind of boring and it's like, oh, the fart aliens again. Except for that, I think you you really liked that one line he said where like, that's the, oh, he was like, that's the last time one of these like, like the people on this rock are gonna get lucky. He said it much better than I could. Yeah, it was like, that's the last time a human is ever going to get lucky or something like that. ah though However he said it, I thought it was cool with his Tim Curry voice. Oh, you know what? something Here's a trivia I could talk about. Thank you for bringing up Tim Curry because I looked this up while we were like on our break before the episode ends.
00:45:26
Speaker
Because we were like, wow, he does sound like Tim Curry. And then I was like, I wonder if he was in an episode. I feel like he's one of those guys who could like have been a side character in an episode and I like completely forgot about it.
00:45:37
Speaker
um i oh yeah, and he is British, isn't he? I think so. I always forget. That or... Because when he was doing Rocky Horror, the British accent he did, he said was like in mimicry of his grandmother, so I couldn't remember he was actually British. I think he is. It's crazy to think that he played a New Orleans detective so well in the Gabriel Knight games.
00:45:56
Speaker
Shout out to the three Gabriel Knight fans out there listening. We love you and i hope if you listen to our podcast. oh But I had looked it up. I don't know 100% if this is true, but it seems that the internet says that Tim Curry apparently was in the running for...
00:46:16
Speaker
playing the 8th Doctor. ah So the Doctor right before the 9th Doctor, who has... That's interesting. Yeah, i don't remember I don't know. Do you remember what I said about the 8th Doctor? Like, do you know?
00:46:29
Speaker
ah It's like a movie, right? And it's like the transition between Old Who and New Who? Yes, exactly correct. So for like... do i get a star? Yeah, you do. You get a gold star for remembering Doctor Who trivia. This is your first one of the podcast, and hopefully you will earn many more for being a good noodle.
00:46:46
Speaker
Yeah, I better. If you take one of these away, I'm going to quit. You're going to crash out. So help me God. You're going to crash out like SpongeBob when like, miss mrs mu like dramatically scraped it off the wall.
00:46:59
Speaker
He's my highest skin for a reason. For real. ah But yeah, he was like in the running for like ah playing him. And apparently the only reason he didn't was because they were like scheduling issues. I guess he was doing more important stuff.
00:47:12
Speaker
which is fine. He's busy recording for Gabriel Knight. Yeah, of course. Yeah, we well, we got the the guy we got. i don't remember his name, but he I think he did a good job. He did another like little special like later on. i do believe it's supposed to be pretty good.
00:47:26
Speaker
And we'll definitely watch him when we get around to it. guess b chronologically. ah Well, not chronologically. I want to watch everything in order of like episode releases and stuff, as opposed to like chronologically in order, you know?
00:47:42
Speaker
Yeah. As God intended. Well, I think that's it for us. I definitely had a lot of laughs. and I feel like not because of the episode, but because I'm talking with you, Hayley.
Next Episode Anticipation
00:47:55
Speaker
Oh, thank you But ah we'll see you guys next time. We'll have to... I'm so excited for the next episode. Me too. If I remember correctly, it's very good, and it'll be definitely a lot better than these last two.
00:48:08
Speaker
And Hayley will have some, I guess, maybe theories about what's gonna happen and you'll have to find out later! Alright, goodbye everyone!
00:48:19
Speaker
Thank you for watching! Goodbye!
00:48:32
Speaker
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