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HAPPY FATHER'S DAY EVERYONE, WE TOTALLY PLANNED THIS TO AIR ON 2025'S FATHER'S DAY AND IT DEFINITELY WASN'T A CRAZY COINCIDENCE! Today we cover Doctor Who's season one, episode eight's episode appropriately named "Father's Day," where we cover topics such as the types of paradoxes, shipping issues, nine and rose's potential romance, Stranger Things, and of course, what it is to truly know someone...
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Setup
00:00:19
Speaker
Welcome to me, Doctor Who. We were giggling a little bit before recording, but that's good. That means the vibe is is on for today. Hayley, how are you doing today? I know I asked you off-call, we're going ask again for the audience.
00:00:35
Speaker
I'm doing good. i was listening to a really sad musical that I was telling Julia about, so I'm ready to watch what I'm guessing is going to be a really sad episode of Doctor Who. Yeah, i'm i i you know what? I think I'm gonna issue our first bummer warning of, I think, the show.
00:00:52
Speaker
From what I recall of this episode, ah the monsters were not very memorable, but I feel like the character interaction was. I mean, i think we forgot to watch the preview again. There's always something I forget to do before I press record. Me too. But you remember it, right? Yeah.
00:01:11
Speaker
Yeah, i remember there were chupacabras in Cthulhu. They were, like, in the sky, and also there was, like, two of Rose or something. and she's like, it's ah it's it's Father's Day. It's the day my dad dies. My dad died.
Emotional Expectations and Warnings
00:01:25
Speaker
He's gonna get hit by a car, I think, and she's gonna push him out of the way, which I'm assuming is gonna Life is Strange style ah cause meteorites to fall into the earth and we all explode. Yeah.
00:01:37
Speaker
Like, there's going to be explosions galore and the beast will come and eat upon us all. The beast. The beast.
00:01:46
Speaker
I love, I've taken, me and my partner have taken to saying like, the beast. ah ever Because we like over the garden wall and it's very funny to us the way he says it. that That is basically what I remember. I like without saying too much about what actually happens. It's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure the character the character interactions of this episode is the highlight.
00:02:06
Speaker
And that, i I don't mind. I love character interactions.
Creators and Musical Connections
00:02:10
Speaker
like if there I think it seems to be par for the course that a really good episode Doctor Who has some pretty crappy monsters, but some really good character interactions that explore like the ethical and moral quandaries of like time travel, and it's like really good, and I really like it. I'm going to get into it right I'm gonna try to be more consistent with announcing like the writers and directors of like each episode.
00:02:37
Speaker
So, and in the sense that ah the writer for this episode is Paul Cornell, this is his first episode on the show. i forgot on the Doctor Who wiki I could just like click on their names and just see what episodes they worked on so I could just, you know...
00:02:52
Speaker
Be like, yeah, we have seen this person before. The director for this episode is Joe Ahern. ah last time Last time we saw his work, it was on Dalek, which I feel like is a good sign. Dalek was like a really good episode.
00:03:09
Speaker
That it was. I greatly enjoyed it. And of course, ah once again, we have Phil Collinson as our producer for this episode. ah Unless you have any more thoughts or like speculation on what happens, Hayley.
00:03:22
Speaker
You know what's funny is the musical I was talking about was called Alice by Heart. I didn't finish the soundtrack yet, but I already strongly recommend it. Great Alice in Wonderland adaptation for any fellow Wonderland girlies out there. The Wonderheads.
00:03:38
Speaker
Any Wonderheads like myself. And the song in particular I was really stuck on was called Your Shell of Grief.
Themes and Emotional Reactions
00:03:46
Speaker
And I have a feeling that's going to be a very on-topic song for this episode in particular.
00:03:51
Speaker
Listen, it's just a kind of song you're going have to play over and over while you contemplate this episode afterwards. Okay. I think my favorite thing I opened with when we like oh when we joined Call with each other was like...
00:04:05
Speaker
Who's ready for some daddy issues? i am, I am. All right, I think we i think we just gotta get into it. think we just gotta watch the episode now.
00:04:15
Speaker
All right, here we go.
00:04:19
Speaker
Trigger warning for suicide and gore misophonia, or whatever it's called when it's uncomfortable listening to someone getting eaten. Real thing that happened in the episode, sorry about that.
00:04:32
Speaker
Hi everyone, welcome back. We're emotionally damaged.
00:04:39
Speaker
i would I'm so, I'm very glad I issued the bummer warning because I was i was like, does this really warrant it? I don't think I'm gonna cry on this episode and lo and behold, I i was like tearing up because, you know, I'm, I am...
00:04:53
Speaker
Gosh, I am a sucker for someone who never got to like be a kid around- ah for a character who never got to be a kid around their parent and then like seeing them as an adult and calling them mommy or daddy. and I'm like, oh oh god.
00:05:09
Speaker
I have a suggestion as to how they could have made this episode worse. ah Yeah. ah so I grew up watching Once Upon a Time and anyone who's watched that ah knows how I felt- Going through the highs and lows of that ridiculous but The epic highs and lows of Once Upon a Time.
00:05:26
Speaker
For real. Anyone who knows the basic premise, because this is right in the first season, you know, fairy tale creatures and characters cursed to live in the real world, whatever. And Snow White and the prince don't get to see their daughter for a very, very long time until she's an adult.
00:05:43
Speaker
And there's a detail added in that I believe the actor playing the prince came up with. where whenever he hugs
Time Travel Mechanics and Character Dynamics
00:05:50
Speaker
his daughter, even though she's an adult, he holds the back of her head as if she's still a baby. And I think about that a lot.
00:05:59
Speaker
Just wanted to throw that out there.
00:06:04
Speaker
God, this whole... Okay, so I think, you know, as ah as predicted, i felt like the monsters of in this episode were... were Very weak.
00:06:14
Speaker
Very, very weak as a threat. But boy howdy, is that not the focus of the episode. Not at all. Who gives a crap about these guys? I want to see, like, this girly hang out with her dad and doing all the things she wants to do with him.
00:06:31
Speaker
I can't remember the last time I cried as a result of a Doctor Who episode. It was probably like, you know, with like the 12th Doctor ah back when I like was watching the series like when it was coming out live.
00:06:42
Speaker
But like sometimes I get bothered by spoilers because when I watch something for the first time and I don't see it coming, I feel like the emotional impact is a lot bigger, at least for me.
00:06:55
Speaker
I know you're a little bit different ah regarding that. ah But that's why I am like always so like, no, you can't look at this, it's spoilers. No, you can't do this, it's spoilers. Because i I'm putting myself in your shoes and ah I feel like if I had known some of the lines of this episode, probably wouldn't hit me as hard.
00:07:14
Speaker
And i there are some aspects I like completely forgot about. like I completely forgot like the way she talks to her dad. Billy Piper's performance this episode was mwah, mwah, like absolute ace, S tier.
00:07:31
Speaker
And this episode real feels like really feels like she knows who Rose is as a character. and like Very true. Why she would do the things she wants to do. ah Haley, do you have any other opening thoughts before I like delve into like the little details of like the plot and stuff?
00:07:47
Speaker
Yeah, just i really really liked this episode. i I'm debating if this or Dalek was my favorite so far. yeah i um'm I'm like hesitant to say like a favorite right now. Well, it's because um'm I already know what some of my favorites i think my favorite is probably the next episode or two. like I think those are going to actually be like my favorite of this of the season.
00:08:10
Speaker
ah But the yeah, Dalek and this episode are like probably going to be high up there. I think I would probably, just personally, I would put Dalek a little bit higher because I felt like The character interactions and the threat level felt ah both intense.
00:08:26
Speaker
ah That's valid. I think in this episode, the threat level was these guys keep flying around and they are stopped by a glass window. And we keep saying that they're very threatening, but they're kind of just flying around and making scary noise. I mean, admittedly, they did eat people.
00:08:44
Speaker
ah Uh... Listen, I won't deny, they ate some people on screen and there were crunching and bone noises, so I won't deny them that, but, like, we didn't know them.
00:08:56
Speaker
Who cares? Sure, some people died, but, like, no one we knew. Nobody in porn. Well, ah I guess with opening thoughts out of the way we can talk about what happened. ah I felt like the structure for this episode right off the bat started off like very different.
00:09:15
Speaker
Because the episode has already started, but we look at a flashback because
Character Interactions and Family Dynamics
00:09:21
Speaker
it's being narrated by row um which I think is interesting. It kind of gave it a bit of a different feel, at least for me, for the episode, because it it talks about her talking about her dad ah off screen. And then it's like, you get to see little Rose and young Jackie talking about their ah her father, looking through her like a photo album.
00:09:43
Speaker
And then that transitions to Rose and the doctor mid conversation of her asking him to go see if she could go be with her dad as he as he dies and i don't know there i i i'm gonna say i liked it i did like the way they switch things up because i not to not to be like oh i'm i was a film student i wasn't a film student i took a couple film classes but i like the fact that it's like a bit non-linear
00:10:17
Speaker
ah Or the fact, at least, that we don't even have to see the beginning of Rose and the Doctor's conversation. Like, this is definitely the kind of conversation they would have at some point. don't know.
00:10:27
Speaker
I just really like it. I like it too. I just like it. What does Marge say in The Simpsons? She's like, oh, I just think they're neat. That's what it is. Yeah, I just think they're neat. I just think it was neat. um the The whole entire episode felt very like closed off. like It felt like it was its own world, if that makes sense.
00:10:49
Speaker
I think as a result, ah it felt a little bit longer than it needed to be. like There were a lot of lingering shots, especially of the monsters like flying around.
00:11:00
Speaker
um i think in our recording of us watching, I was like, I'm getting a little bit sick of this same little musical sting playing over and over again. It was kind of annoying me.
00:11:11
Speaker
Because it was good at first, but then they kept doing it over and over. um Because i think the highlight of this episode is the character interaction. so when you have a bit of a lackluster villain, but like really good character interaction,
00:11:27
Speaker
You're basically just, like, using the monster or villain or whatever as an excuse to, like, break the energy of scenes. So it's not just, like, one scene the entire episode.
00:11:40
Speaker
ah that's kind of what That's kind of what the monsters felt like to me. At least that... ah They weren't actual threats, they were just ways to like transition scenes from one to the other. Which is like, you know what?
00:11:54
Speaker
You gotta do what you gotta do. It's funny to think that Donkey from Shrek was able to do what they could not do. Yeah.
00:12:04
Speaker
Rose is like narrating it's like November of 1987. They keep saying Stuart and Sarah's name I think because like it's a point of the episode that it's like this is like a running theme with Doctor Who. I feel like I say this episode this is a running theme with Doctor Who um that ah the Doctor doesn't view anyone as unimportant so when these characters Stuart and Sarah are the ones getting married that day ah later in the episode you know they express you know a lot of fear of like what's happening with like the They're not called Reapers in the episode, but that's what the monster name is called. They're like Reapers because their tails look like scythes or whatever. Like, ooh, clever. cool.
00:12:45
Speaker
I thought it was cool. I just wish the design flowed a little bit more. Kind of looked like very a very jumbled monster design. I do like the idea of it being a scythe, but I'm not quite sure...
00:12:58
Speaker
I understand why a Reaper specifically, because the doctor later refers to them as like bacteria trying it within a time wound trying to like heal it basically by destroying everything.
00:13:11
Speaker
If anything, that reminds me of like a white blood cell. I feel like maybe at least to push that metaphor along, maybe should have been. He should looked like that anime guy from, uh, what is it? That anime you watch? Uh, Sells at Work.
00:13:26
Speaker
Sells at Work. My favorite anime of all time. That's what he should have looked like. Eating people. But i think it's start I think it's a good start of the episode because we get, like, Jackie speaking, like, so fondly ah her dad's name it was like pete right ah it was pete yeah pete yeah she she's like speaking so fondly of pete and it's clear she like like uh raised rose with a very like idealistic version of her father and i really like the theme of this episode which seems to be like
00:14:02
Speaker
the dangers and, like, comforts of projecting your ideals onto a person. Like, it's it's good to remember someone for, like, all the good aspects they have, but if that's all you remember them by, ah or at least think of them by, ah when you interact with them in person, like Rose does, ah and sees that, you know, her her father was as flawed as any other person, and so was her mother, it's a bit disorienting, and a bit of dissonance, and very upsetting.
00:14:35
Speaker
ah i keep jumping ahead, but, like, I just really want to talk about this episode. I was going to say, like, at first, at the beginning of this episode, i really liked... the way the way the doctor was talking to Rose, I was like, alright, you've done some improvement. You're kind of talking to her like an equal as opposed to like this thing you're carrying around. This This little thing.
00:14:59
Speaker
um Because he's like telling her the rules and like of, like you know, so you can do this, but we have to be very careful about it. And like letting her know. um And then, of course, Rose is like, impulse save my dad! Because she watches him die, kind of freezes up in sort of like a fight-flight-er freeze, and she freezes.
00:15:20
Speaker
ah doesn't do anything and she's like, can I get a do-over? And the doctor's like, alright. And she kind of screws it Okay, i'm
Doctor-Rose Relationship and Emotional Growth
00:15:28
Speaker
good I will say, so the past versions of them disappear, right? And I assume that, in you know, that's part of like the whole time wound thing.
00:15:37
Speaker
they don't really address the fact that like, well, if we never existed to like, you know, watch that happen, then we ourselves in the present time shouldn't exist either. I don't think we, they bring up that type of paradox, uh, even though that's a very iconic paradox in time travel media.
00:15:56
Speaker
Isn't it fun knowing that this is why time travel can't exist because every time travel story, no matter how close to perfect it is, we'll always have some kind of plot hole or paradox to it because of the nature of time travel.
00:16:09
Speaker
Yeah, there's like, it it's it's crazy how many different types of time travel there are. I think the one that interesting that I find the most interesting is like, faded time travel, if that makes sense, where like, you if if you go back in time to see like a past self, you find out something that you you do during your time travel adventures was something that had happened in the past that you basically had no explanation for at the time, but then you find out it was like because of you or something.
00:16:37
Speaker
Yeah, those are always cool. Yeah, and I think those are interesting because it's like, well, if we really wanted to change things, could you? Or in is the act of you trying to change something what makes it happen in the first place?
00:16:50
Speaker
ah That sort of deals in with like fate and stuff like that, and I don't think that was... I think probably that's why they didn't include because it's like you delve into like aspects of like, oh, fate and destiny, but that's not really what we're talking about. We're talking about, you know...
00:17:04
Speaker
projection of grief and ideals and, you know, mourning. ah Those are our topics for today, class, and that's what we'll be talking about. Cry along with us, children. But the the funniest part, I thought, was when she when Rose does save her dad and he is like, oh yeah, is that your boyfriend over there? It like cuts to the doctor with this thousand yard stare.
00:17:29
Speaker
he looks like he's He's a looker. He's a looker. He looks like he's seen every horror imaginable and I think he's looks insane. He's an insane man. um And he kind of doesn't even say anything for a while because he lets... I think that's also an improvement of like how he acted in like earlier episodes where he kind of just skipped right towards like yelling at people whenever they messed up.
00:17:53
Speaker
He kind of like sat with his own thoughts for a second and let Rose do her thing to see if she... like and almost like a parent actually you know what i don't like this he like kind of talks to her like a parent in the sense that he's like waiting for her to like understand the consequences of her actions and she refuses to admit to it so he has to do it for her and it's funny because in our recording we were or i at least was making that joke because and i didn't even really think of it like that just subconsciously because his face made me think of a parent like all right i'm gonna count to five Starts busting out her middle name. Rose. I don't... Oh, I don't even know her middle name.
00:18:30
Speaker
and I'm sure it gets said at some point. Anyway, he pulls... He pulls this... ah What's the word? he He does get impatient with Rose again and then ah pulls the stupid ape line again. I was like, god was like Doctor, I thought we were past this. Like, you use that...
00:18:44
Speaker
phrase in the very in episode one we didn't very like it we didn't very like it we didn't like it very much and i think you need to stop doing it uh especially as a direct insult to rose specifically they sort of have this argument that's like not a very healthy argument it's a bit unhealthy the way they talk to each other sometimes the the power dynamic they have with each other because he basically threatens to, like, leave her there. He's like, if you're gonna behave like this, I'm gonna take away the TARDIS key.
00:19:16
Speaker
Again, like a parent, like, grounding her, ah but also basically saying, also, I'm gonna abandon you here. And she's like, fine, go, you're gonna be here anyway. And it feels like she's arguing with him like they're in, like, a bit of an unhealthy, like, relationship, and he's arguing with her, like,
00:19:36
Speaker
you know, she's a child. Which is why I feel like, you know, any sort of, like, romance at this point feels a little bit weird because they very so very clearly have different, like, they view each other so differently and they don't really treat there eat their relationship the same way the other one does.
00:19:56
Speaker
If that makes sense. I don't know. it's a very, uh, No, I think that's an excellent observation. I hadn't really thought of it like that. I made a joke about this. I've been thinking about this a lot since we've been going through the show, and I wasn't sure if I should say this because I know this can be a bit of a dangerous statement. to have a take me.hu.com.
00:20:14
Speaker
In fandom spaces, and I'll clarify exactly what I mean is I was going to say I really feel like I'm... seeing them less as a couple and almost a little bit more as siblings, if anything. And I want to clarify. Ed live!
00:20:28
Speaker
Ed live! Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. I don't mean that to say that you can't ship them or that I think you're weird for shipping. I'm not like, you know, I'm not saying, oh, but they're sibling coded, so you're weird for shipping. No, because clearly I'm the weird one yeah for interpreting it the other way around because the show doesn't want me to. Yeah, I think the show is saying clearly saying like, o they could potentially be a romantic couple and then both of us are like I don't I don't know about that yeah so I just want to be clear so nobody's like Haley are you saying that I'm problematic for shipping them I'm not at all you ship them to your heart's content you little hailhead both adults technically as long as you consider yourself a hailhead rather than a martian you can do whatever no
00:21:17
Speaker
Never mind. like You know what? Haley's a little hater and you can, you should ship nine in rows to the ends of the earth. This is the last episode. I'm going to my trailer. I'm blowing up football
Paradoxes and Narrative Implications
00:21:30
Speaker
studio. Our big fight. The thumbnail of our video.
00:21:34
Speaker
ah Why we can't break up. Our breaking point. Why we have to stay together. That's how nine and Rose are. Why we stay together forever. Why we can't break up. We're breaking up.
00:21:48
Speaker
We're getting divorced. But yeah, because, ah you know, i I think we've mentioned this already that I'm an only child and you're the one with siblings. So you're more of an expert that on this than I am.
00:21:59
Speaker
But I feel like they remind me of a depiction of siblings where they go so quickly from like, oh, we're best friends. I'm so there for you. Thank you for coming into my life. And then I want to kill you. You're so stupid. I'll kill you.
00:22:14
Speaker
um I will say, when you mentioned that like later in the episode, I was like, you know what? I would excuse more of their interactions if they were more sibling-coded than romantic-coded.
00:22:25
Speaker
Because that's kind of just how you talk to your siblings if you were in a situation of like, I'm gonna leave you here. Fine, do it. You're just gonna stay over here anyway. Yeah, go away. And it's just like, yeah, that's sibling.
00:22:36
Speaker
It'd be kind cute, honestly, if it's- ah it's crazy. Just gonna say, it makes me realize how changing the dynamic really does- completely alter, like, even if they're having the exact same, uh, interactions.
00:22:48
Speaker
It's interesting. It's interesting to think about. Yeah, yeah, I find, like, the tone they're going for, like, that, yeah, dissonant, basically, because it's like they're trying, i they're very clearly, I don't even think this is, like, subtle anymore, trying to, like, set them up as, like, a bit romantic, um, towards each other, and, but the way they're going about it,
00:23:11
Speaker
Just, like, it kind of irks me a little bit. And, uh, again, it's just, like, the power and but imbalance. I feel like he just, not that he, like, knows more than her. I think they've they're both smart in their own ways.
00:23:26
Speaker
But clearly sometimes he holds, like, his practical knowledge just because he's literally lived centuries longer than her he kind of holds that knowledge over her head sometimes well especially in this conversation uh he was like yeah i i'm allowed to like make changes to the past because i know what i'm doing uh you don't and she's like oh so like it's better if my dad it's better off if my dad were dead he's like that's not what i'm saying and then they have an argument and i think maybe they were going for like oh old married couple kind of
00:23:59
Speaker
vibe, but i i'm probably I don't know how much I never really understood that joke. Maybe it's because I'm neurodivergent. I've never really understood that joke of like, oh, these two are bickering. They're arguing like an old married couple.
00:24:14
Speaker
And I never thought that was, like, a very good reason for... Because a lot a lot of times a character will say that about a couple, and then the couple will, like, have moment of realization, like, what? I don't like you like that.
00:24:28
Speaker
Or whatever. And it's like, oh my gosh. Like, I think, like... I guess the main example I think of is like, ah you haven't seen Stranger Things, have you? The first season. Okay. Well, there are these two characters in like season three or four.
00:24:45
Speaker
Like, do do you care about, I know you never care about spoilers, but do you care about spoilers for Stranger Things? I don't think you're ever going to watch it. I extra don't care for Stranger Things spoilers. Okay, so so the the sheriff guy, Jim Hopper, and the mom, the mom of Will.
00:25:02
Speaker
So do you remember those two characters? Uh, yeah. so i went So when I was first watching this, I liked the idea of them getting together. Mostly because they were like the two main adult characters and they had a good dynamic. So i was like, well, if they were romantic with each other, maybe that would be fun.
00:25:20
Speaker
When we get to, like... I forget if it was season 3 or season 4. I don't know. The one where it's like they're at the mall and it's the 80s and also Hopper's like angry all the the freaking time. ah he's He's angry all the time. That Ooh, that made me mad. Like, the fact that they made his character so angry and, like, like pissy all the time. I can say that.
00:25:46
Speaker
um But they sort of push this dynamic. they that This is when they start pushing this romantic dynamic between them where, like, they could have feelings for each other, But it's at, it's, the, the climax of this realization is during a moment where they're literally screaming at each other in anger during an argument, and someone, and a character behind them who they're, like, you know, driving in their car with is going like, oh, you guys are freaking like a married couple, why don't you admit you have feelings for each other? And it's like...
00:26:15
Speaker
The characters think it's out of place when he says that. I thought it was out of place when he said that. And yet, at the end of the season, they're all lovey-dovey-eye for each other. And I've never really understood that. Like, what does yelling... like there's like yelling at each other as like a bit like we're you just like, oh, you stole my thing. Oh, I would never do such a thing. And then you're being like all sneaky about it. i'm I'm using, this is how me and my partner talk to each other where it's like, if we're gonna quote unquote argue, it's gonna be as a bit.
00:26:46
Speaker
It's never gonna be like legit arguing. And then us seeing that as like, yeah, that us arguing, genuinely arguing means we really like each other. So this is my TED talk of why I don't think arguing is a good reason for a couple to be together.
00:27:06
Speaker
it just means they're gonna argue more. If they're already arguing now, if they get together, they're just gonna argue more. I hate it. Sorry. and Something came over me. Did you get that out, boy?
00:27:17
Speaker
Yeah. Oh my gosh, where were we? Yeah, he calls her a stupid ape. of When he talks about um what what is like going on, he calls ah like this whole paradox situation.
00:27:35
Speaker
i want I wrote down, he he specifically said a vulnerable point, which I feel like is very similar to... i Well, Hayley already knows about this, because I talked to... I mean, we watched an episode where they mentioned it, but like...
00:27:50
Speaker
The Doctor starts talking about like fixed points in time, like what's fixed and what's not fixed. And I think if we had the lingo of like later seasons that we do now, I feel like... I guess this would be considered a fixed point in time because a Rose changed it and then things started screwing up.
00:28:11
Speaker
But I think... the difference might be was that the ninth doctor nine was okay with rose like changing history a little bit to be there for her dad because originally he died alone and no one was there to like you know hold his hand and comfort him so she wanted to be that person and so the nine was like yeah sure we can do that and so he was willing to change time but i think when he when you create the paradox of like uh doing something that your past self ah didn't witness and because they're witnessing it now, they're more they don't exist or blah blah blah.
00:28:47
Speaker
It's a little confusing why their past versions disappeared, but whatever I guess. I think that was the problem. was Not that it was a fixed point, but that just that they created a paradox, I guess. i yeah You know what? I don't know. I don't know what i'm talking about.
00:29:00
Speaker
Hee hee! I think our brains will explode if we keep trying to rationalize it. i don't i'm like I'm trying to rationalize the paradox mostly because I feel like for future episodes, I want to like compare and contrast how they handle paradoxes in later seasons. Because they do. They do some more paradox stuff, especially in like ah the 11th Doctor's run, Matt Smith.
00:29:23
Speaker
um they do a lot of paradox stuff uh around then and this is basically me being like all right how did they establish in season one and i'm very curious how it's going to change in like later seasons so this is if this is the basis of what a paradox is i want to wrap my whole head around it and clearly i am not very successful at that task um But no matter. ah Move on to the part of the episode where... ah
00:29:54
Speaker
I think Pete starts driving Rose to the wedding because she she's like, oh yeah, I'm in the wedding or i'm um or I'm going to the wedding and he's like, oh, I'll give you a ride. And so they go and then, I thought this part was funny. There was like a, I assume it was like a 90s hip hop or I guess, well, it would have been late 80s, not 90s.
00:30:11
Speaker
um But it was like a British hip hop song, which I thought was funny because I've i've never heard British hip hop and I was like, oh wow, this sounds a little goofy. Sorry to 90s hip-hop British hip-hop artist, I'm sure you're good.
00:30:29
Speaker
Julia, that's our main demographic. No, they're going to kill me But yeah, Rose is like, that song's not supposed to come out for another few years!
Confronting Idealized Memories
00:30:39
Speaker
And then she gets on the phone and it's like the this recording of like, Watson, come here, I need you.
00:30:45
Speaker
um Which apparently supposed to be like the first ever, you know, recording of anything on a telephone or something. Or the first phone call was that recording. I don't know my history. that They just kind of offhandedly mention it later in the episode.
00:30:59
Speaker
But I think to bring back to the theme of, like, you know, creating ideals of people in your head and, like, building it up until... When you're faced with, the like, the reality of, like, who what a person is like and, like, their full... Or at least to the...
00:31:15
Speaker
ah the way they're presenting themselves as, um which in my opinion, everyone presents themselves different to everyone in their lives. I think there's different, and not to get philosophical or whatever you would call this, I feel like, you know how you like present yourself differently based on like who you're around, what the situation calls for?
00:31:39
Speaker
There's not right always like a true version of so of yourself that someone else can know. um Only like you can know what like the true version of yourself is and some people get existential over that.
00:31:51
Speaker
um Sometimes I could get existential. I'm capable of existentialism. i don't think even we know the full extent of ourselves to be completely honest. That is a good argument because you know what that makes me think of not to tangent again but i have like i feel like what you what that is is like the person i am in like my dreams you know like sometimes because when i'm dreaming i'm not exactly making choices that i
00:32:22
Speaker
and would consciously make because it feels like when I dream I do like my instinctual choices um in the sense that I had a very unsettling dream once where I died and my brain was like, all right, here are what your final words would like. My brain is like basically like if you had final words, this is what they would be. And it's like what my instinctual like final words were.
00:32:47
Speaker
And that resonated with me so bad. I have never told anyone what those words were. They're not that crazy, but it they it feels very personal to me. So it's a crazy thing to know about yourself if you've ever had a dream where you die and you get to hear what your last words would be.
00:33:06
Speaker
Meanwhile, I'm obsessive compulsive and I've had my last words planned since I was five. Like, well, yeah, I think about, like, what I might say, but I don't plan it out. I'm like, some people here.
00:33:20
Speaker
Well, but that's because you're not obsessive-compulsive, so you don't know what it's like to plan everything. All the time. Every day. day and every second of the day. but you know what? You never know. Sometimes instinct might just take over and you might say something different. Who knows?
00:33:35
Speaker
I hope I don't say something stupid like poop and farts. Something stupid. Like I love you. but But, um, I don't know. i I thought it was very interesting that Rose got to, like, witness her parents arguing because i I really liked it.
00:33:54
Speaker
be Not that I like fighting, but I like that it doesn't portray these characters as like bad people. I think at worst it portrays Jackie as like very assumptuous. She jumps to conclusions very quickly.
00:34:07
Speaker
um like If she assumes something, she's immediately like, that's what's happening. And I'm not gonna let you explain yourself, which is not a very healthy behavior to do. ah Sorry, Jackie, I'm judging you a little bit.
00:34:19
Speaker
but It seems like some of her assumptions also have some logic to them. Like she, I feel like she's probably like a little bit insecure about herself because of how quickly she assumes her husband is cheating on her every time he like hangs out with a woman she perceives as like prettier than her.
00:34:39
Speaker
That's something you got to work on in therapy, not yell at your husband about. ah But I kind of, want to say it was nostalgic because I have like divorced parents.
00:34:52
Speaker
all All I'll say is that my parents were very considerate trying not to argue in front of me and my siblings. And so, but I still appreciate when I watch scenes of like couples, like arguing a very realistic way. Like not that like Jackie's in the, I mean, I feel like Jackie's more in the wrong in this situation, but also like,
00:35:15
Speaker
Pete doesn't seem to want to fix it. He seems kind of like, yep, this is how it is. And that's just going how how it's going to be. She's just going to yell at me. And that's what's going to be for the rest of our marriage. If there is a marriage, like he seems already like a little bit checked out. And so I think that's like his fault in the conversation, but it doesn't feel like they're both completely in the wrong. And it was very, I guess, cathartic to see Rose like witnessing that and that,
00:35:44
Speaker
Her parents aren't as perfect, or at least her dad isn't as perfect as she thought he was. Sad face. Never meet your heroes. Never meet your heroes. Never meet your dad. Never meet your dad.
00:35:57
Speaker
he'll He'll get hit by a car and die. It'll be your fault. It'll be your fault, Rose. So at this point in the episode is when the Reapers start killing. they like i think they literally start eating people because what i thought was happening because throughout the episode you get like little instances of like people disappearing um they do this a lot because you know you have this situa i think when you're establishing a monster and its powers you know you show like the thing it does to a person and it's like oh that's what they do and in this episode it was like oh they make people disappear
00:36:34
Speaker
Okay. And then they showed us that like over and over and over again. Like they make this person disappear and then this one and then this one and then this one. It's like, we know, we know, they make people disappear.
00:36:45
Speaker
But I thought they were just like teleporting them away. I didn't think they were like straight up eating people. Yummy yummy in my tummy. There's a party in my tummy. But I guess that's why people were screaming earlier in the episode. I kind of just thought they got like booty blasted into like heaven or something.
00:37:02
Speaker
But the groom's dad like is like one of the people who gets like eaten which is crazy. um And they
Emotional Climax and Resolution
00:37:09
Speaker
all hide. the The doctor's like we all gotta to hide in the church. And they go hide in the church And I think it's, uh, at least I thought it was very funny that, like, these monsters have, like, claws and, like, scythes for tails, and they're stopped by, like, a stained glass window. One of, like, the most fragile things, probably.
00:37:30
Speaker
because they have, like, an indents with, like, how, like, the art is made. I mean, I don't know for sure. i don't know how stained glass works, but... Feels very breakable to me. Feels very easily enterable to me.
00:37:42
Speaker
But I think this is the point where like the doctor starts explaining what they actually are and he describes them as like bacteria in the time wound that consume everything that's been affected basically.
00:37:53
Speaker
um Which I think is like, yeah, like I said, i think is an interesting concept for a monster. I still don't know why they look like Grim Reapers. I think it's just to be- Like, there seemed to be, like, a horror aspect they were trying to include in this episode, which I felt like it didn't really need.
00:38:11
Speaker
Like, there were lot of horror stings and a lot of, like, screaming people and, of course, you know, them eating people with, like, bones cracking. I was like, i don't really like that sound.
00:38:23
Speaker
I think this is when the episode, like, really starts to get good because this is about- This is the point where, like, you know, in a story where all the characters are locked in a room and forced to interact with each other.
00:38:33
Speaker
ah So Rose and her father basically start talking to one another. And I like that this... he sort He sort of comes to the conclusion on his own. I think that shows how, you know, he keeps being called a failure, especially by Jackie for, like, having, like, inventions and ideas that don't always work out. But I feel like this is, like...
00:38:55
Speaker
whether intentional and or not, a sort of good display of his intelligence of like showing, not telling that he is a smart guy, or at least like, it's a good descriptor of his character that he's, he's not a stupid guy, you know?
00:39:10
Speaker
Um, when Rose is like, uh, when he's like, so you called me dad there, your, your friend here, there's monsters. So I'm willing to believe your friend when he says there's like a time moon thing happening.
00:39:22
Speaker
are you like my daughter? And she's like, yeah. And there's this just lovely scene of like, they both get like really emotional and they hug each other and Rose like starts calling him dad and then just goes like, oh my daddy. And I'm like, ah!
00:39:42
Speaker
Like that part was like, like my tears were, my my tears, my eyes were watering and I'm such a stickler for, like, ah that trope and, like, ah media of, like, just like an adult kid getting to, like, interact with their parent they never got to interact with.
00:40:00
Speaker
and And another line that made me, like, very... andmate I thought was very cute was, like, when he realizes, you know, she's his daughter and he's like, well, now that I'm your dad, I can say that that that your boyfriend, I think he looks too old for you. And she, like, laughs and I feel like...
00:40:18
Speaker
that laugh really is like a just a representation of like that's all she's ever wanted to hear from like some from like someone like of course she hears that from her mom but i think she's probably always imagined what her dad would be like and i think when you imagine ah what a dad would be like it's usually like someone who's like protective of you um and like you know is kind to you and it makes me emotional thinking about that I'm already emotional all the time every day, but this makes me extra emotional. This like an extra spice of emotion. um
00:40:55
Speaker
There also a little, a character earlier in the episode was like a little kid who's like ah friends and family disappeared on the playground. yeah And then he runs in and you hear Jackie off screen going like, Mickey, where are you? And I'm like Mickey? And I i i guarantee, I 100% did not remember this part. i was like, oh my gosh.
00:41:16
Speaker
We were flipping out. It was so cute. Well, because I was looking at the child actor and I was like, I feel like I recognize this kid from somewhere. And he had a very familiar face, but I don't think... Yeah, it doesn't seem like he was in much of anything else except for Doctor Who.
00:41:35
Speaker
He has one credit on IMDb and it's young Mickey. Um... So I guess I didn't recognize him from anywhere else. But I thought it was very cute that he included Mickey.
00:41:46
Speaker
ah Seems like they have like a bit of a crazy age difference then. I mean, I guess it's not too bad if she's like 19. But if Jackie knows him, that implies that they're childhood friends, potentially?
00:42:01
Speaker
If they're right that she really isn't to the doctor, clearly she likes older guys. Clearly this is a pattern. She saw an older guy and she was like, bye, Mickey. And then she's gonna see like a geriatric next time who's seven million years old from the planet Krypton. And it's like, oh my God.
00:42:20
Speaker
She sees a tough doctor and is like, hummina, hummina. No shade to Peter Capaldi. Peter Capaldi has aged gracefully, in my opinion. But you are old.
00:42:32
Speaker
Yeah, you're old. Unlike us, we're gonna be young and we're gonna live forever. I'm gonna live forever! um I think after this conversation, Rose and the doctor sort of, like, get to interact again. And at this point, I don't want to say they say their apologies to each other, because the doctor says sorry, and then he says, Rose, now you say sorry! And I'm He like demands an apology for her like he's a king. i think- he's a king!
00:42:58
Speaker
Like it's a lord! a Galvant character. Like, I can see why they thought that line would work, kind of. Like i kind of get it's a bit of a quirky line like, alright now you say sorry and she says sorry.
00:43:13
Speaker
Because- well- I think it's like he knew she was gonna say sorry, but for some reason he wanted to be the one to tell her to do it, which feels weird. Like, I'm not trying to imply that the doctor's like a weird guy or like a bad guy.
00:43:28
Speaker
i think that the writers writing him... have like a weird idea of what flirting is is is what i think is happening um after you know when they have this conversation he sort of uh like properly explains like you know when you you you should not ever like you know touch a past version of yourself you know it doesn't seem to be the case of like you know if you touch your past self you know one of you will disappear it's just that it will invite more of the reaper monsters i think it makes them stronger when you do that i guess is what the episode says but after that interaction i think she goes and sits with her dad and the doctor because the doctor kind of admits like you know i don't really know what to do guys this is like welcome like welcome to rose's world she doesn't know what to do either and there is like a moment where like pete is trying to convince
00:44:22
Speaker
well, Pete sort of realized that that ah that the reason Rose is here, because she was sort of dancing around the subject initially, and sort of even lying to him about, um you know, how involved he is in her life.
00:44:35
Speaker
And I think it was, like, such a sad thing that that was, like, what made him realize that he was supposed to die this day, was that, like, oh, I know who
Behind-the-Scenes Insights
00:44:43
Speaker
I am. I'm um i'm an unreliable guy, so you saying I was reliable is, like, very clearly I wasn't the one who interacted with you and you're like, I don't know what actually happened, but you're lying.
00:44:56
Speaker
And it makes me so sad, like, to see this guy have such... like a negative view of himself. Like he views himself as irresponsible and like to the point where he immediately assumes the worst when he catches like Rose in that lie.
00:45:15
Speaker
But also it's like such like a human thing to do because in the moment where he's saying like, oh, I'm unreliable and I'm ah not i'm not a great guy.
00:45:27
Speaker
like, in the same breath, he is, like, comforting Rose and being, like, an amazing father to her. And... I think that truly is, like, really good writing because because I think a lot of people are like that. I'm like that. Where, like, you say, like, horrible things about yourself, but, and you know, in the next moment, you're doing, like, a genuinely kinder, you know, thoughtful thing, but you can't see that in yourself because you just see all, like, the negative parts.
00:45:53
Speaker
And I feel like that's... For a character that's like just been introduced to us and for us to get attached to and you know eventually die, I think it was very well written. I really like this guy.
00:46:07
Speaker
I just think he's neat. But yeah, after they sort of have that interaction, like ah Jackie comes over and ah I think so starts to start she starts to realize that like Rose might be... like she Again, she's jumping to conclusions. She's like, did you have a kid when you were 12?
00:46:24
Speaker
Did you name our daughter Rose after that this Rose here? like Are you insane? Are you an insane person? But she's like starting to realize, or at least starting to think like this could potentially be like her daughter, and she hands...
00:46:37
Speaker
She hands Rose to Rose. Um, and even though baby Rose is covered in blankets, like from head to toe and has like a little hat on and a little onesie, um, I guess that's enough to cause a paradox for some reason.
00:46:53
Speaker
Um, because the monsters get stronger, they get bigger, and they're able to break in and, um, eat the doctor. just Like, straight up. They burst in, chomp down, and he's gone for a significant amount of time. And basically, uh, kickstarts, like, this really sad scene of, like, Rose, like, not knowing what to do, but her father realizing what has to be done is he has to, like, correct the timeline, and he has to, like...
00:47:21
Speaker
die the way he's supposed to die the way time permits it so so so he runs out and then you know he allows you know himself to be hit by the car and then magically the doctor reappears i think the world like this the color saturation like increases a little bit uh because i think it was like a very gray uh moment because it was like gray and cloudy until uh You know, he he finished it. i don't want to keep saying kill himself over and over. That feels bad. and
00:47:52
Speaker
um I do like that Rose, in the end, is still able to do what she intended to do from the start, which is, you know, to be a hand to hold while her father dies. um Even if, you know, there aren't any last words to exchange with each each other. It's just, you know, a comforting ah thought.
00:48:11
Speaker
And I think because... this story is so centered on like the character relationships and it's kind of like very, like I said earlier, like solid and kind of closed off.
00:48:22
Speaker
When that happens, the story basically is over and the episode almost like immediately ends after that, after like, you know, nine like comforting Rose by like holding your hand.
00:48:33
Speaker
Like that's like my, I think ah of their relationship, I do really like how often he is like ready to like, physically like hold her hand when she needs comforting. Yeah.
00:48:44
Speaker
In that aspect, you done good, doctor. ah Kind of the way you talk to her though, you need work. But yeah, that's kind of the end of the episode. ah Do you have any like closing thoughts before we go into trivia?
00:48:57
Speaker
Uh, do we do ratings before or after trivia? I can never remember. i think it's after. It's like ah it's like the last thing, and it's like the very last thing we do. okay yeah, I don't think I have any closing thoughts. Just overall, uh, very good episode. I liked it even more than I expected to.
00:49:13
Speaker
it was basically what I expected, like a lot of, not the greatest monsters, but still a really, really good, uh, relationship, uh, stuff.
Final Thoughts and Episode Impact
00:49:21
Speaker
I said this while we were off call, I felt like there wasn't too much interesting trivia for this episode that I could get from the wiki, mostly because a lot of it was just like, we wanted to do this aspect of the episode this way, but we couldn't.
00:49:36
Speaker
So we did it like how it is in the episode. And it's wow. Interesting. wow I'm enriched. um But one of the main trivia points that I feel like is fun to mention is that Christopher Eccleston and Billy Piper, Nine and Rose respectively, ah named this as their favorite episode, which I'm surprised they're like synced up on that aspect. That's cute.
00:50:01
Speaker
So that this is peak for them. And ah you know what? Not a not a bad peak to have. A secondary trivia point I have is ah that Simon Pegg from the previous episode ah was originally cast to be Pete Tyler, but because of scheduling conflicts, he chose the editor in The Law Game from the last episode. And I'm not sure how I would have felt about Simon Pegg being Rose's dad.
00:50:24
Speaker
I kind of feel like that might have taken me out of it because i like he's like a recognizable actor. I kind of like the fact that, as far as I know, um i should I should say his name. I should say his name. Sean Dingwall.
00:50:40
Speaker
oh an unfortunate last name. i don't want I don't want to laugh at the man. He did ah did a wonderful job this episode, but I don't think I've ever seen him in anything else because I'm not... I don't watch too much British media outside of, you know, what was designated for me to watch back in, like, 2013 Tumblr.
00:51:00
Speaker
So I kind of like that aspect and I thought, you know, he really gave his A-game for this episode. Just a fun behind-the-scenes factoid is for the- because this episode takes place in the 1980s, apparently cast and crew brought in like photographs of themselves for the 80s just as like, you know, examples for like clothing and attire. They had like peach dresses and like big hair, but apparently incorporated, but these elements were not meant to be distracting, but like I felt like they could have gone bigger, you know? not i agree, honestly. It kind of, it didn't super feel like the 80s to me, as as aside from, like, maybe Jackie's outfit.
00:51:43
Speaker
But also, I'm not super familiar with, you know, the the trends of the 80s within, like, a England or er however, Britain. I don't know. I don't know the difference between the two. Like, I think, you know, we- America and, like, Britain probably, you know, aligned with some a lot of trends. i'm I'm assuming, like, big hair and, like, bold colors was, like, a big aspect of the 80s, you know, kind of, like, in a lot of, like, Western countries. I'm saying that, like, it's not a fact. I don't i have not done research on this.
00:52:13
Speaker
um Um, you know what? They could have gone bigger. I'm gonna say it. The hair could have been bigger. All the ladies' hairs could have been bigger. My mom's hair was way bigger than these ladies' hairs. I've seen pictures. Bigger than all their hairs. Every individual hair.
00:52:29
Speaker
Yeah, you gotta go puffier, you gotta go frizzier. Like, that's what the 80s is all about, baby. But I understand it was a formal event. I suppose they had to tone it down. This is a fancy party.
00:52:39
Speaker
um But another aspect of the episode is that apparently Russell T. Davies and Paul Cornell, who is the writer of the episode, um they debated on whether it should have been Rose's plan all along from, I'm assuming, the beginning of the season ah to save her father.
00:52:57
Speaker
So this is left ambiguous in the episode and it says that Billy Piper felt that it did not occur to Rose until after she began traveling. I'm actually curious if you have like a thought to like, do you think it's more likely she, like the moment she found out like it was a time machine, she was like, oh, at some point I'm going to ask the doctor to like go see my dad or maybe this was like a more of a spur of the moment kind of thing because it,
00:53:23
Speaker
Because the episode opens like mid-conversation, we don't really know what prompted the conversation to for Rose to go up to the doctor and be a like, can we go see my dad?
00:53:34
Speaker
ah Yeah, I was kind of also under the impression that she probably just leaped in like, ooh, a time machine. I want to go travel through time. And then probably a little bit after was like, oh, wait, this is a time machine. That means I can go save my dad, which I imagine was probably a very like...
00:53:51
Speaker
the implications. Yeah, intimidating as well as exciting implications because I'm very much, you know, as the designated Rose of this duo, I'm putting myself in her flower petal shoes and thinking, you know, the way I would think and that's how I think I would think and, you know, I can think of some people that I've lost that I would love to see again and that I would love to maybe even attempt to save but I don't think it would have been my immediate thought given like, like if it was...
00:54:20
Speaker
I don't know, maybe if she was more depressed, like if she had been thinking about her dad when the doctor first arrived, or if it was the anniversary of the loss, like if there was something to have it very fresh on her mind, then maybe I would think that. But she seemed very happy to be like, yay, yippee, time machine!
00:54:37
Speaker
i think for for me, I feel like the way Rose thinks about her dad is like, it's just like a factoid of her life, that her dad died when she was young, she never knew him, It was a sad event, but that's just kind of how, you know, a part of her life that's always been like that. Like, she's never remembered a time before, like, when she did have a dad.
00:54:56
Speaker
So it just feels like that's how it's, like, always meant to be. So when you enter... ah situation where you could have the opportunity to get that. It's not the first thing you think of because in your brain subconsciously you're like, oh I can't change that at all no matter what.
00:55:10
Speaker
um So i i I feel yeah more along the lines of like time travel sounds really cool and then you do a few adventures and you're like, this is like real time travel.
00:55:21
Speaker
I could like do things. Yeah, I feel like you gotta test the waters a bit with Charles Dickens and the farting aliens, and then you're like, okay, now's the time. Now's the time. We gotta to unleash hell.
00:55:35
Speaker
What's next, trivia man? So I just thought this was like a nice, uh, more of like, I guess less interesting, more of like, uh, you know, nice and thought-provoking is that the writer Paul Cornell stated that Pete Tyler is based off his own father, who attempted many different jobs and schemes um before eventually finding success success running a betting shop.
00:55:57
Speaker
um But apparently Pete's line of, quote, I'm your dad, it's my job for it to be my fault, ah end quote, is taking is taken from something Cornell's father once said to him, which...
00:56:08
Speaker
I feel like that makes a lot of sense. Like that's definitely something a parent says to their child and it's like, gosh, that that line really hit hard also as like, because again, this is like him saying over and over, i don't take responsibility. That's not the kind of person I am. And then going, this is me taking responsibility. It's my fault. And because I'm your dad, I'm willing to bear that responsibility. It's just a very nice written character. Pete is...
00:56:37
Speaker
I always loved characters named Pete. Oh, that's crazy. Okay, so I included this because I was like, I don't remember this aspect of the episode, but if it comes up and I deem it funny enough, I guess I'll include it in the trivia.
00:56:49
Speaker
So this is copy and pasted from the wiki. Quote-unquote, Rickrolling is a popular meme in which someone is led to unintentionally witness the song Never Gonna Give You Up by Rick Astley in a Switching Bait, which originated a couple of years after they the episode's recording.
00:57:08
Speaker
So, doctor your Doctor Who older than the Rick Roll. I mean, obviously, but like, Doctor Who knew who older than the Rick Roll, which I thought was really funny because like, yeah, the moment that song started playing, we were like, I love the idea that that's the new, ah like, the best thing since sliced bread is like, this is the best thing since the Rick Roll. Yeah.
00:57:30
Speaker
I mean, other than that, I don't really have many more trivia points. ah just because yeah Just because, again, I think not that this was like a low-budget episode. I'm sure a lot of budget went to those CGI Reapers, which I'm not... I'm still... i still don't You know what? I'm to say it. I don't care for them.
00:57:47
Speaker
You know what? don't like them, actually. Not at all. How could you? Sorry, not sorry. Drag me on Twitter.com. ah Whatever. Are you trying to suggest that this show has lackluster CGI? No.
00:58:03
Speaker
Listen.
00:58:06
Speaker
The Doctor Who I know has CGI on the level of Marvel movies. Of modern day Marvel movies. And I will expect expect no less ah from season one of Doctor Who. Or any season beyond that, for that matter. Well, yeah, think I think that's kind of all I
Closing Remarks and Future Teasers
00:58:25
Speaker
got. I think that's all I've got as well. Curious-wise, Hayley, I think it's the the time of the episode. What rating shall you give this episode?
00:58:36
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think we're going to come up with super funny ones this week, considering what a serious episode this is. All I've really got in May 8.5... five extremely purple houses out of 10. Oh my gosh. I was gonna, I think I said in the recording, um, this is like a little, just a mini tangent, I swear.
00:58:56
Speaker
Um, in an old apartment, me and my partner lived in, it was like a very like standard apartment with like white walls and like, you know, muddy colored floors or whatever. One day management just out of nowhere decided to like paint all the walls and doors and stairs this bright purple color and it's like the exact same shade as it was at like uh pete tyler's house or whatever he and rose were hanging out at and i was just like oh my gosh when you see that in person it is just so jarring on the eyes it's ridiculous um i think i i
00:59:34
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and You're right, this is too sad. um I am going to rate this episode. so i think I have it, but I'm trying to think of what number I'm going to give it.
00:59:47
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Because I don't want it to be too low, but the monsters really bring it down for me. oh I gotta be honest with you. I'm going to be nice. I'm finding it. I'm going to give it 7 out of 10 humans eaten alive by Reaper monsters that should have been bacteria coded.
01:00:07
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And that's my rating for the episode. um i extremely excited for the next episode because it's a two-part ah episode. It not a two-farter, just a regular old two-parter.
01:00:22
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um no But I will say this two-parter is something else and introduces a lot of iconic like stuff in Doctor Who that will be referenced for seasons to come and I greatly look forward to it.
01:00:38
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I'm excited, I'm excited, I'm excited. next excited, I'm excited. But we'll talk about our impressions on that in the next episode. In this episode is where, well, this part, we have to say goodbye to you.
01:00:50
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But I don't want to say goodbye. Can't we sleep over at their house? No, their parents said we can't because they're very picky about, like, who, like, because they know you don't take off your shoes when you enter the house, so they said you're not allowed.
01:01:03
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During Pride Month? During... This is an infringement on my rights. Which i would like to add we're not recording this during Pride Month. I'm not sure if it's going to come out during Pride Month. It might. It might. of You know what? I actually don't know.
01:01:20
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Could we save this one for like December? So that's really fun. Yeah. And you know, we're going to hold off skiff it this episode specifically and release it as our Christmas special. I hope you guys enjoy. Merry Christmas and to all a good night.
01:01:32
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Is that what that is? Happy Hanukkah. that what Santa says? I think so. All right. Good. I mean, I don't know. Bye everyone. We have to stop Goodbye. Ho, ho, ho. Ho, ho, ho.
01:01:53
Speaker
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01:02:15
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