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3 | The Unquiet Dead (S1E3)
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In this episode we go back in time to the victorian era to meet Charles Dickens! Featuring topics such as Godzilla, The Mechanisms, D&D Githyanki, and of course the moral quandries of ghostly possession
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Transcript
Jokes About Queen Victoria
00:00:18
Speaker
Hello everyone, welcome to me, you, and Doctor Who. ah It is the Victorian episode, we're going into the past this time instead of the future, and we already had some like a bit of joking before we started recording about like apparently how, well we should ask British people this, because we were like, dude is this a common British thing, is that Is Queen Victoria, like, is that, it's like common knowledge that she's ugly or like a common joke, I should say? Because you asked me about that and I said the only time I ever really thought that was a thing was when I watched, I forget what the movie's called, but that stop motion movie with the pirates. Pirates Band of Misfits. Oh, is that what it's called?
00:01:03
Speaker
I think so, yeah. Yeah, I... Or it might be the Pirates Band of Misfits. Yeah, and I remember, uh... They, I think they, the the joke in that movie is that Queen Victoria is the antagonist because she's like angry and evil or whatever, but I don't know if they make any like fat or ugly jokes, i but they she's definitely not well liked in that movie. And that's the only time I've ever heard like the Queen Victoria is ugly.
00:01:27
Speaker
but I guess you said you were watching what? I hate everything. I hate everything. Yeah, it was a review of like a really bad, I think it was Sherlock and Watson in the movie or Holmes and Watson, the movie's called and He's like, yeah, so the Sherlock Holmes, who's played by Will Ferrell in this movie, he's super in love with Queen Victoria because the joke is that she's ugly. And I was like, is that a thing? I didn't ah i You know, it would be funny you know it'd be funny if they make that joke in this episode.
00:01:57
Speaker
That's true. We've prepared ourselves. Then it'll be confirmed that it's a common joke.
Expectations for 'The Unquiet Dead'
00:02:01
Speaker
But ah today we are watching The Unquiet Dead. We just ah finished watching the preview from the last episode.
00:02:09
Speaker
aye I, for one, do not remember much from this episode, as I don't remember much from a whole lot of the season one episodes. I just remember it's in Victorian times. Charles Dickens is there.
00:02:21
Speaker
um There's a certain joke I think is really funny in it, but I shan't spoil it so Hayley can get a good laugh out of it. kick Get a laugh. ah And there's like ghosts or something. I think, I don't remember if it's one ghost or multiple ghosts, but there's definitely at least one ghost.
00:02:37
Speaker
Hayley, do you have any expectations of this episode? I'm definitely not expecting this one to be like super important to the overarching plot. I'm expecting this one to be a little more monster of the wiki, which I do not mean as an insult at all. I'm super into that.
00:02:54
Speaker
I think it's cool that we're going into the past instead of the future this time, as he says right in the preview. I know pretty much everything you said. Charles Dickens involved. Ghosts are involved.
00:03:06
Speaker
I don't know too much about Charles Dickinson's life. I was just about to ask, like all i was like I feel like you you were like a fan of like either Shakespeare or Charles Dickens or something. I'm more into Shakespeare, yeah. okay. There is a Shakespeare episode, but that's like... ah ah in a few seasons, unfortunately.
00:03:26
Speaker
That's alright. We'll get to
Episode Details and Historical Figures
00:03:27
Speaker
it. Wait with bated breath. Okay. And suffocate. Yeah, and suffocate. ah But yeah, that's kind of all I've got for this intro. ah We're gonna go and watch it. We'll be right back. ah just See you in a bit. but Bye-bye, my pretties. Bye!
00:03:50
Speaker
Trigger warnings for this episode include fictional character deaths.
00:03:56
Speaker
All right. Hello. Welcome back, everyone. We are post ah episode ah ah a post break. ah So we had, i think, a pretty good time watching this episode. I really enjoyed the themes this episode brought.
00:04:17
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like. Maybe it's because it was the Charles Dickens episode. This definitely felt like the most, like, I could write ah a high school English paper about this episode, talking about the themes of it.
00:04:31
Speaker
I'm sure that's exactly what they were going for, like, slash Jen. Oh, God, yeah, for
Grandmama's Possession at Dickens Reading
00:04:35
Speaker
sure. ah But yeah, Hayley, I guess, what you what did you think? How did you feel about it?
00:04:41
Speaker
I don't think I liked it quite as much as the last one. The second one's still my favorite so far, but I did quite enjoy this one. Let me take a quick look at my notes. There was a lot more like, you know, I can't say for certain since I haven't seen the show, but a lot more stuff that I assume will be important to the overall show than I expected. Like the Rift stuff I'm assuming is going to be important.
00:05:05
Speaker
I know for a fact the Big Bad Wolf stuff's gonna be important. Ooh, we can get into that in a bit. Yeah. ah Big fan of Charles Dickinson's, who I would like to apologize because I'm pretty sure in the opening I referred to him as Dickinson.
00:05:21
Speaker
And so I apologize on his behalf. On his, like, centuries-old behalf at this point. On his grave. Yeah. and uh i liked his characterization i really liked when he says what the shakespeare because i like to think that that's the old-timey version of what the sigma oh <unk> probably life i'm gonna get into i'm gonna get into that i did not think that's where you're gonna go with that joke
00:05:51
Speaker
Oh my god. Oh yeah, we found out that Rose is only 19. Oh yeah. Seems like her dad, so her dad is dead. Yeah. Which is a shame because I was kind of hoping he was going to be the king of Mars. Yeah.
00:06:05
Speaker
Yeah, I guess we can like get into it. I mean, the episode basically starts with ah Grandmama. like that Not even a joke name to give her. they call he the gun grant gunsson her Her grandson calls her Grandmama. Poor Grandmama has passed down. And I think she's like died that day.
00:06:24
Speaker
Because they imply later that she had, like, tickets or something to go see Charles Dickens. And she was really excited for it, but she died. i don't think they said how she died. She just did. It doesn't really matter, I guess.
00:06:37
Speaker
Some guy naming, uh, the grandson's name is, like, Mr. Redpath, I think. And, i think you're right. And, you know, while she is, uh, dead, uh, and looking and...
00:06:50
Speaker
While she's looking pretty dead, ah she this blue enters her and she pops open a wig and- No!
00:07:00
Speaker
You're so into your No! I have to get out of the mindset. i have to get out of the mindset. Oh, God. have to... Cleanse yourself. Oh, my God. i think i Pretend you're talking to your parents. Yeah. Oh, hello, mommy, daddy.
00:07:15
Speaker
Grandmama. That won't work for me. Yeah. So Grandmama is ah pretty dead. ah That is until the blue enters her. And she just ah reaches ah back to life and reaches for her grandson and straight up kills him.
00:07:30
Speaker
I thought
Time Travel Misfire to Cardiff
00:07:31
Speaker
maybe she just like made him pass out. Nope, she killed him. Just chokes him out. And ah the I guess the the, what would you call like the guy in charge? His name was Sneed, Mr. Sneed.
00:07:45
Speaker
and Yeah, Mr. Sneed and company. And he was in charge of the morgue, I guess. I guess that's what they work at. and Undertaker. Yeah, I guess he's the undertaker, basically. and then they And then he's got his ah assistant.
00:07:59
Speaker
ah I think they he calls her they call her like a slave girl or whatever. or a surf No, not a slave girl. Sorry. They call her like a servant girl. ah So she's not even like an assistant. She's just the the woman who does everything. And her name is Gwyneth.
00:08:15
Speaker
Yeah. And she seems to know something about it. They say something about having the... She has the sight or whatever. um But we can't bother with that now. Doctor and Rose, they're crashing on their TARDIS. And the Doctor's like, December 24th, 1860, and we're in Naples. And I think we had to look that up because we didn't know where Naples was. I was pretty sure it was in Italy, but I was like, do they think there's a Naples-England? But no, I guess they thought they were in Italy. I guess they were headed for...
00:08:47
Speaker
I guess they were headed for Italy, or least trying at least trying to. I don't know why But I guess the doctor doesn't know why. He was like, why not You know, you could go anywhere. Why not Naples in 1860?
00:08:59
Speaker
And as they're landing, the Rose... the road as As they're landing, Rose is like, oh, isn't it crazy that like, you know, days only happen once and you can never like go back to them, but you can.
00:09:13
Speaker
And he's like smiling, like eating it up as she's like basically like complimenting him. Like, you no wonder you can't like sit still. You're all over the place. It's amazing. And he's like, smile he's like yeah, I am pretty amazing.
00:09:29
Speaker
I am pretty epic, aren't I? um And they, and right, you know, before they head out, a Rose just, ah he tells Rose to like get dressed into like Victorian garb, which I feel like what she dresses into isn't traditionally Victorian.
00:09:44
Speaker
I think, probably not I think she slays in that outfit. However, I don't think it's so historically accurate. She, I feel like, do you think she's showing like way too much like shoulder and
Dickens' Existential Crisis
00:09:55
Speaker
chest?
00:09:56
Speaker
Because I feel like the Victorian people of that time would be like, my word! can see both thine... I can't say that!
00:10:08
Speaker
I don't know if we're allowed to say that. Like, I can see your breasts. I can see both thine ankles. Oh, lie Like, I think that outfit looks... She looks great in it, but I don't know if the Victorian ladies and men... Well, maybe the men. I don't know.
00:10:22
Speaker
But that maybe the women. Yeah. I think everyone would be like, my word. So they head out and I think ah they sort of... I don't remember how. I think the doctor just, like, grabs a newspaper just to see, like, what year it is specifically. That's right. And he's like, we're not in 1860s Naples.
00:10:44
Speaker
And he... Oh, yeah, because he keeps doing this He's like, we're not in Naples. And Rose is like, I don't care. And he goes, we're in 1969. She's like, I don't care. And then he goes, and we're in Cardiff, not Naples. And then she's like... Dun!
00:10:57
Speaker
And, like... like And i if there's like a joke behind that, I think it went way over me and Hayley's heads because we're like American. Oh yeah. we I think we made a joke about it. We can only assume Cardiff is like the New Jersey or the Florida of like England or something. Yeah, the Philadelphia. This is the place that everybody craps
Gwyneth's Psychic Abilities and Seance
00:11:18
Speaker
on. Yeah, or Detroit. I don't know.
00:11:21
Speaker
oh God, now the Americans are going to come after us. Everyone's going to hate us. You can't have crap in Cardiff. Yeah, can't have Can't have anything in Cardiff. ah Not even Grandmama. Not even Grandmama.
00:11:37
Speaker
Oh, poor Grandmama. Oh, jeez. Oh, man. ah Let's see here. So Grandmama, she is, like, determined for some reason. you know not You know, knowing what we know now about, like, what exactly is happening with, like, what's possessing her whatever, why does she go to see Charles Dickens of all...
00:11:57
Speaker
I thought like they were more into like inhabiting dead people, but I guess grandmama's like resolve is just that strong. She's like, well, I got these tickets. Well, no, they weren't tickets because I saw in the poster it was like a free show. had those plans. Yeah, see, I had those plans and not going back on them. You hear me?
00:12:16
Speaker
You hear me? i did want to ask, I know what the answer is, but for the sake of our audience, ah who do you feel you would be able to come back from the dead to go and say if you had tickets right before you died? Oh my God. If I had tickets for something and then I died like that afternoon and there's like a concert,
00:12:34
Speaker
Um, well my favorite band is Green Day, but I have already seen them in concerts, so I wouldn't be too bummed about missing them. Um... Yeah, I was expecting Green Day to be the answer.
00:12:47
Speaker
you know what? I had this thing where, uh... It's a bit of a long story, I'll try to shorten as much as possible. There's a band called the called The Mechanisms, which I discovered through being a fan of the Magnus Archives.
00:13:00
Speaker
which if you're British, you might know about that. about but Hello, British people. Do you listen to podcasts? Only if you're British. Only British people are allowed to watch it. And you. And so the guy who did the Magnus Archives, he was in a band in college and called The Mechanisms where they made like narrative albums. And I really liked them, especially The Bifrost Incident. Love it so much. he he lo And the year I found out about them was...
00:13:27
Speaker
almost exactly a year after they stopped touring, like they didn't do any concerts anymore, and i was like, NOOOOO! And I think... If I had known them about like a year in advance and I had tickets to go see them and I got killed, I absolutely would come back from the dead just to come back and see the entire Bifrost incident performed live because i only I've only seen the recording of it and it looks so cool. I wish I could have been there, but sadly i was a year too late.
00:13:56
Speaker
If I had just gotten to the Magnus archives a year earlier, I might've been able to catch them.
Moral Implications of the Gelf's Plan
00:14:01
Speaker
Unfortunate. what How about you? Give it to me yours. I don't know if there's a specific artist or band that I would be able to come back for, but if the Spongebob musical went on tour and I had tickets for it God forbid if it was on Broadway again, forget it. I would destroy cities as a zombie in order to go and see it through Times Square.
00:14:26
Speaker
ah of my way! like Godzilla. Because I don't think, because, like, new Americans got their hands on Godzilla for that. i Listen, all my Godzilla knowledge is from my partner, and because they're a big Godzilla fan.
00:14:39
Speaker
And ah I know that there was, like, a really bad Godzilla movie that basically was, like, just a basic monster movie with the name Godzilla, like, slapped on it. I think Americans have gotten, from what I hear from the fandom, not my opinion,
00:14:54
Speaker
The Godzilla movies have been getting better. The American ones, I think. I mean, I watched king King of the Monsters, I think, where he fights ah the... the the ah King Kong? No, not King Kong. um Ghidorah? I think the the three-headed dragon. I watched that Don't ask me. here Hey, like can you confirm with me was Ghidorah?
00:15:15
Speaker
ah Well, it was the three-headed dragon the three-headed yellow dragon. I watched that movie. And I do all i don't know a lot about Godzilla, but I do love Mothra. Despite the fact that I don't like bugs, I do love Mothra. She's my queen. and know Anyway, Doctor Who, how did we get here?
00:15:34
Speaker
Back on topic. ah Where were we um So she she's got she's gone to the play and then she has this, like, while Charles Dickens is reading The Christmas Carol, she has a little bit of a little bit of an episode, a little moment Don't make a scene. she don't Yeah, don't make a scene.
00:15:51
Speaker
It's a good thing she didn't overreact because she starts like- Yeah, she stayed calm. and She starts glowing blue and then like her spirit leaves her and starts circling the entire like auditorium and everyone's screaming and leaves.
00:16:05
Speaker
Like, I'm surprised there isn't, like, a written account of this in the future of like, ah oh, by the way, one time during a Charles Dickens, like, reading event, there was a ghost who, like, assaulted everyone and screamed at everyone.
00:16:20
Speaker
Let's see. I think afterwards, oh, what is it? The doctor talks to Charles Dickens and, like, tries to get this all figured out while Rose goes to try to see what's happening to the grandmama. And then she's like, what's happening? What are you doing? She's dead. And then she just gets chloroformed, which is like not something I was expecting in Victorian times yeah period episode.
00:16:44
Speaker
I mean, I guess they had that at the time, chloroform. I didn't know they knew how to use it like that. i mean, i mean and if it ain't broke, don't fix That's true. And she basically gets kidnapped and taken ah to the mortuary. That's what it's called, right? Mortuary?
00:17:02
Speaker
That sounds correct. the morgue. I guess it's just the morgue. don't know. I'm thinking of the mortuary assistant, which I feel like I think mortuary is an adjective, not a noun. I don't know.
00:17:13
Speaker
But she gets taken there. And at this point, I was like, well, what are what the hell are they going to do to her? are they going to like kill her? Because they kidnap her because she knows too much. She's seen too much. But what are they planning on doing? Are they going to kill her?
00:17:24
Speaker
Are they going to like just keep? I would think kill or maybe torture her until she agrees to not spill the beans. I don't even know. like It sounds like all they can do is just kill her. But they kind of just keep her.
00:17:35
Speaker
They don't even tie her down on the table. They just knock her out. And they're like, all right, lay down time, nappy time. I panicked. Yeah. I forgot to tie her up. I don't know. I said my hand slipped.
00:17:48
Speaker
And ah the doctor ah takes, what is it? Charles Dickens. What is it called? It's not a carriage. He calls it something else. Oh, a hearse.
00:17:58
Speaker
I guess. He's like so he like, follow this hearse. And then he's like, his his coach, his coach. There you go. There you go. And he like gets in and he's like, oh, my name is Charles Dickens. What are you doing? I'm like, coach.
00:18:12
Speaker
And the doctor has like a little minute where he like teaches Charles Dickens the word fan in the in this yeah in the way of being like, I'm a fan of yours. I'm a fanatic. um Which I...
00:18:24
Speaker
ah You know, maybe I am stupid. But I didn't realize Fan was, like, probably just slang for being a fanatic of something, which makes a lot of sense, actually.
00:18:35
Speaker
I would have assumed it was, like, derived from, like, the actual version of, like, Fan, like, to cool yourself for for whatever reason. i don't know. it's Just like he did. Yeah. i have me Me and Charles Dickens, we're we're of the same mind.
00:18:49
Speaker
We're on par. Died 1870.
00:18:53
Speaker
born whenever welcome back to our tickets oh yeah i wasn't sure if i should say the year yeah i forgot i'm trying i am keeping that a little private shh hush born in the year husband Welcome back, Charles Dickens.
00:19:08
Speaker
The year that a series of a unfortunate bad stakes plays. Exactly. That's the year I was born. so they So they arrive, and and the doctor's trying to find Rose, and she's like trapped to upon on the walls. And she's about to get eaten. Not eaten again. She's about to get attacked by these ghost things.
00:19:23
Speaker
And before anything
Gwyneth's Sacrifice and Resolution
00:19:24
Speaker
happens, the doctor bursts in, grabs her, and then he's like, what do you guys want? And he's like, then the ghosts are like, we need help guys this farm is not very good see ya and then they leave and so the doctor's trying to well i think the doctor's already figured this all out basically he's explained to everyone but charles dickens doesn't believe him when he's like there's like this rift and it's a rift is a weak point between time and space which i'll be honest with you don't
00:19:57
Speaker
remembered that part of doctor who when he was like there's this thing called rift a rift and it's a week point in between time and space and i'm like is this important this might be important to later i don't remember i don't think it's important in later seasons but it might be important in this season i'm not sure don't quote me on that but while they're having this uh discussion i think rose goes and talks to the servant girl uh gwyneth who uh is basically like they just kind of chit chat i think rose does like the first instance of her like going up to like someone who's like a working class person and going like hey how much are you getting paid are you are you being treated right and i gotta say i love this from her i love this attitude she has towards like people in the working class who are
00:20:50
Speaker
I think clearly to her being mistreated, ah even if they themselves don't realize, or I won't admit, I should say, um at least because that's like the society they grew up around in.
00:21:02
Speaker
i mean, i don't, I don't want to say that like, well, they're stupid for not getting themselves out of this situation. It seems more like ah this is the
Dickens' New Perspective on Life
00:21:14
Speaker
norm and Rose is like, well, it could not be the norm. And they're like, okay, weirdo.
00:21:19
Speaker
i think that was basically the whole like first part of their interaction where she was like, yeah you know, you could be slaying out there. And Gwyneth is like, oh, I shan't. I i should never. ah Next, you're going to suggest that women can vote. Yeah, horrid, horrid to think.
00:21:34
Speaker
But ah they start having like a very fun, friend friendly conversation where she's like, you should go like ask out this like the boy you like. And she's like, oh, i don't I don't know how to do that. I don't think I should. And she's like, no, you should. It'd be fun.
00:21:48
Speaker
And Gwyneth starts saying these really cryptid things. like ah What was like the first thing she said? She said like something about like her dad. dying or Rose's dad. Yeah, your dad is dead too. Or I bet your dad's smiling down too. Just like my parents in heaven. It was something like that connecting the fact that they had dead parents.
00:22:05
Speaker
Yeah. And then Rose was like, that's cool. Um, do you know that because at this point she doesn't know she's like a medium or whatever and uh I think this also is the first mention of like Rose's dad being dead it definitely is because I was definitely keeping my ears open for that yeah because I think in the previous episode we know we knew he he wasn't in her life for whatever reason and then now we got the confirmation like oh he's he's dead dead and then he died uh did she say when he died I think she said years ago is that what she said
00:22:38
Speaker
I don't remember, but that sounds correct. She definitely didn't give like a specific date or anything, or I would have written that down. It was definitely in the past. so It definitely wasn't like a
IMDB Trivia and Casting Insights
00:22:48
Speaker
few days after she started a few days before she started traveling with the doctor. I think it's been like right right a thing in her life for a while.
00:22:56
Speaker
I love how I said, like I think that's what happens, even though I know exactly what happens. What her deal is. Well, we'll find It's character. In due time, we'll find out. In due time.
00:23:08
Speaker
But ah I think... So she starts listing a bunch of cryptid stuff. And like all of it is like true stuff that's like happened in the past. However, I think this is the first time we're going to talk about it. she meant she The last thing she said is the big bad wolf, which I yeah would love to hear what you're...
00:23:27
Speaker
but your thinking about it because i think all the things she said are like true things these are true things that rose knows about and then she says one last thing that i don't think has any context behind it i would like to know what you think about that well i definitely know that the wolf stuff is important because i've been you know i saw plenty of posts over on tumblr with the bad wolf logo did for lack of a better word typography so i know it's going to be important i'm I'm guessing, you know, I'm sure it's not a literal wolf as much as I, a wolf girl, wish that that was the case.
00:24:01
Speaker
But, ah ah God, I would love like a big werewolf alien, but I i don't think I could get so lucky. I'm assuming that this represents a person or maybe a group of people or a force.
00:24:14
Speaker
that has kind of been nicknamed the Big Bad Wolf because it is so evil and devious, or maybe misunderstood to be so evil and devious. And I have an inkling that maybe it is the Doctor themselves who has been interpreted. Maybe they show up in legends across cultures or something as the Big Bad Wolf. Like maybe they accidentally did something bad or purposefully did something bad to sort of become like a horror story because you know we saw, am I allowed to talk about that coming up for the next episode?
00:24:43
Speaker
Uh, yeah, we could talk about that a little bit. Yeah, since, because on the coming up, we saw it painted on the ah TARDIS, and maybe that's why the aliens started showing up in London. oh yeah, it was very fast. I was, like, surprised you caught it, but, yeah, in the next time. We could definitely talk about that portion of the next time. Which is just like... My eyes were peeled. It was, ah just to clarify it for you, it was like a spray paint, someone spray painted in white Bad Wolf on the TARDIS.
00:25:11
Speaker
And I mean, I guess we'll find out the next episode what the hell that came from. And also because of Gwyneth, like, you know, like you said, saying stuff that was in Rose's life already and stuff she would be aware of. I'm thinking maybe she saw the Doctor. She was like, ah!
00:25:26
Speaker
Or maybe like the Doctor's true form or something. was like, ah, the big Bad Wolf. Scary! That's the most I could speculate for right now. i didn't know this was a horror game. Interesting. I love hearing your thoughts on it. because it's like I just love getting hearing like fresh takes on stuff.
00:25:44
Speaker
ah Whether or not your theories are true, I should say. of he I'm happy to provide my theories. I love to provide them. I love to yap. i love to yap Uh, but yeah, after that, the doctor finds out like, oh yeah, you're, you're in touch with them. Right.
00:26:01
Speaker
And she's like a little bit. And she's like, all right, well then we got to do a seance. I'm like, oh, we're doing a seance. Okay. Um, and they all like circle around Gwyneth. a lot Charles Dickens is also so just here.
00:26:14
Speaker
Um, I feel like I should have mentioned this earlier. ah Charles Dickens, he's like having a bit of like, uh, I want to, I think I'd call it like I guess an existential crisis a bit.
00:26:28
Speaker
a i think it was it was more implied in the beginning of the episode where
Theme of TARDIS Misdirection
00:26:33
Speaker
he was basically like talking to himself where it's like, I think I've thought all I could think in my life and there's nothing for me anymore. I'm getting old. Yeah, I'm getting old as it were.
00:26:44
Speaker
I'm 58 years old, getting old. 58 years old. And um i I remember watching, I'd be like, wow, that is like such a real thing. I feel like I'm feeling that right now and I'm only in like my early 20s. It's and I...
00:26:58
Speaker
i um and i And I would hope that I hope I don't need a giant event like ghost possessing people for me to feel better. You know, i think I know how I would make myself feel better is like just experiencing new things and like having different like, I don't know.
00:27:21
Speaker
interactions with new people and new things to do. i think that I don't think there's anything that a big bowl of spaghetti can't fix. Oh my God, ah true.
00:27:33
Speaker
I think when you're feeling like that, it definitely is like, when you're especially when you're creative person, it's like there's no ideas coming and I don't know what to do because this is all I am. is like, at I think when you're at that point, you probably should take a pause on creating things and just focus on consuming new things.
00:27:51
Speaker
Like watch new movies, read new books. ah Meet new people. new people, hear new ideas. And I think that That's not like the end all be all cure, but I think that's definitely something that helps a lot.
00:28:03
Speaker
ah Coming from someone who is a creative person. i'm currently I am currently in that, I think, stage of like, there's not really much I want to draw right now.
00:28:14
Speaker
So I'm trying to like, think of ideas and stuff and consume different things so I can get that inspiration again, you know? yeah But that's where that's where his mind space is at at this moment. And he's like, also at the also he's like, I don't believe any of this. This is tootin' hogwash.
Concluding Thoughts and Episode Impact
00:28:31
Speaker
And he's at at the seance and they're doing it.
00:28:35
Speaker
And ah it opens up a sort of connection to ah what the ghosts call themselves the GELF. ah G-E-L-T-H, the GELF.
00:28:47
Speaker
Yes, I believe so. Yeah, because I wrote Geth by accident in my notes because I thought it was Geth. And I was like, oh, it's the Geth. Yeah, because I was thinking of the Geth Yankee from Dutchman's Dragon. D&D.
00:28:58
Speaker
ah From the Forgotten Realms. Or no, they're not from the Forgotten Realms, I guess. but Yeah, well, yeah, I guess so. It's like, for because they're basically aliens. Realms world, I guess, of D&D, which is like the main canon, if I remember correctly.
00:29:13
Speaker
ah Yeah, i believe so. But they're basic they basically show up and they're like, you have to pity us, you have to save us, we're ah we need a bridge because we're in the rift of the universe and sci-fi terms and blah blah blah. and We were born a wet cardboard box all alone in space. Glass skin and bones.
00:29:34
Speaker
Glass bones and paper skin.
00:29:38
Speaker
And they basically give out their like a little bit of a tragic backstory of how like um the there were a lot of species who were like affected by the Time War, which I think we know of a little bit from like the last episode.
00:29:54
Speaker
It's right like, remind me, what what do we know? Like, what do we what do you know about the Time War, I think? I think they mentioned last time that doctor is the last whoge his Doctor is the last of his kind as a result of the Time War and I think that I, Haley, think that his planet got blown up. I don't remember if they established that. no did I mean, I shan't say. I don't know. I do know because you have told me who was on the other side of the Time War. They haven't mentioned that yet. though i don't
00:30:28
Speaker
Yeah, that's why i'll I'll keep my mouth shut on that particular Yeah, for anyone who's, like, experiencing this through us. Exactly. for the first time, I should say. For the Haley heads out there. Yeah, for all the Hale heads.
00:30:39
Speaker
it's Hale heads. if you're if your like If your stands are Hale heads, what are mine? like I was just going to say one yours. The Mars freaks. um free The freaks. The Martians.
00:30:53
Speaker
The Martians. The Martians. Yeah, this is great. Are you team Hailhead or team Martian? we can start making merch. Yes, finally.
00:31:06
Speaker
I knew would come out naturally. We got to do it. That's right. ah Let's see. So I think the extent of what they say is like, you know, there was a time war and there were like opposing sides, but a lot of times people don't remember that there were also like other smaller ah so the civilizations that were affected.
00:31:24
Speaker
and that they were one of those civilizations they basically lost their physical forms and are like traveling through their... I mean I guess because...
00:31:37
Speaker
I can only assume not every alien species can do this since it's they're the only ones here. It seems like it's specific to them when they lose their like physical form. They have like like a spirit form that can like roam around, I guess. Gaseous form. I do think the Gelf are like a monster of the week alien. I don't think they ever get brought up again.
00:31:59
Speaker
Oh, okay. if that's just the extent of their lore, then that's the extent of their lore, I guess. It's just this episode. I'm sure the Doctor Who wiki begs to differ, but I'd have to check that later.
00:32:12
Speaker
so So they're basically asking, like... ah to inhabit the dead bodies of Earth because quote unquote like they're not using them and they they're like going to waste in their opinion and the doctor basically agrees generally is like yeah we can do that we can offer you these dead bodies so you can go in peace or whatever.
00:32:29
Speaker
And the Rose is immediately like, no, we don't. We shouldn't do that. And I think it brings up like an interesting idea or at least, ah ah or I don't know i don't know if idea or like topic where it's like the doctor is basically very, what's the word?
00:32:48
Speaker
He doesn't spend much time debating this. I think because he thinks it's pointless, but I do think it's an interesting debate of like, do we do... do we save like this alien species who this could be their only hope at like living again?
00:33:05
Speaker
um It's either this or like they die out and and stay spirits forever. Do we do that? Or do we basically desecrate human bodies, which yeah they don't phrase it like that, but that's what they're doing. They're taking these bodies that belong to people and have been put to rest.
00:33:23
Speaker
um Many in like, you know, graves where people like visit and You know, graves are very important in, like, human culture, I would assume.
00:33:34
Speaker
um Across human cultures are, like, ah you know, taking care of one's body and doing whatever, whatever, like, your culture asks of you to, like, do with, you know, a body that's passed.
00:33:47
Speaker
um It's all different for everyone, but there's still, I think, a level of respect across all cultures around, like, dead bodies. Oh, yeah. Especially for people you love. And it's also like, i it's very it's a very human like side to to take of being like, we should not desecrate these bodies by letting other creatures inhabit them.
00:34:08
Speaker
ah I think it's an interesting point. And and i don't I do, ah I think if if it weren't for the twist at the end, I feel like this would be a very complicated issue that would probably have Rose and the Doctor and the episode probably at odds a little bit.
00:34:27
Speaker
I guess that's why the episode has to end the way that it does. Yeah, basically. Because I think otherwise you'd have like this moral a conflict of like, do Do we let living beings like just take these bodies and it's like, there's not even gonna be any like consent from like the families of the dead? There's no like confirmation that like they're gonna even care about who the person they're inhabiting was before?
00:34:57
Speaker
um It's an interesting thing to think about, in my opinion. I completely agree. Yeah, um now you're making me interested in seeing, like, maybe in the future, Rose and the Doctor may be getting at odds because they have such different worldviews because they are quite literally from different worlds and have lived such different lives. I think that would be interesting to explore. Yeah, different cultures, different, like, upbringings.
00:35:20
Speaker
I think the big thing between them is that the Doctor is trying very hard to focus on the big picture because of like what is the thing that's going to like save the most lives.
00:35:35
Speaker
And Rose is looking at, not the not like not saying this in a bad way, but the smaller picture of like what lives are going to be affected by yes by doing this.
00:35:47
Speaker
um Because that might not entirely be fair to those people if you're like stepping on them to get ah a better life for other people. like It's not right.
00:35:58
Speaker
And i ah a part of me was also thinking, like, since her father got brought up, in my mind, if I was Rose, I would probably be thinking, like, how would I feel if, like, some other person started inhabiting my dead dad's body? That's true. That's a good point. And, like, I tried to, like, interact with him, but he, like, doesn't recognize me anymore. And he maybe doesn't even want anything to do with me because it's not him anymore. It would be, like, crazy because she I think she has a very human perspective of, like, looking at the situation.
00:36:28
Speaker
Right. ah And also the doctor compares it to like carrying like a donor card, which makes no sense. Which is like, okay, I think that's a bit different of a situation because I carry a donor card, you know, I have like a organ donor on my driver's license.
00:36:47
Speaker
I don't think That's me agreeing to like, after I'm dead, to use my organs to save people's lives. That's not me agreeing to have my skin and face being taken and walking around like I'm alive again. But everyone who recognizes me is like, uh, who is this person?
00:37:06
Speaker
Yeah, it's an organ donor card, not a purple guy donor card. Not a body donor card. It's horrible. I was like, doctor, what the hell?
00:37:18
Speaker
But, uh, So they have this situation where they like ah go and find the ah weak spot for the rift so they can like build the bridge or whatever so Gwyneth can like do that. And Gwyneth goes to do that and Rose is like, you don't have to do this if you don't want to. I don't think it's right.
00:37:33
Speaker
ah But Gwyneth is very much like, you know i i I appreciate you looking out for me, but I can speak for myself, which I think is fair. I think Rose, I think talking over Gwyneth a little bit, being like, she doesn't want to do this. She isn't she shouldn't.
00:37:46
Speaker
ah is a bit little much. I think Gwyneth should have like autonomy to like choose what she wants to do, even if it's the wrong choice. um But ah neither of them had the context of like what was gonna happen. So I think they're both valid that Rose was very wary of what would happen. And then Gwyneth is like, well, I've had this all my life. I think it would be good to like ah resolve this.
00:38:09
Speaker
ah Either way, she goes under the arch and... The ghosts start going like, oh, yay, we can get out of here. And then to very subtly symbolize that maybe these ghosts aren't what they seem, their eyes turn red and flames start spewing from the art, which I thought was really funny.
00:38:32
Speaker
I was like, oh no, I think these ghosts are the devil. They are demons. They are demons. And then the doctor's like, I thought you said there were a few of you. And the ghosts are like, a few billion. And was like, oh no. You idiot. You idiot.
00:38:50
Speaker
But yeah, they they grab Mr. Sneed, who has also been here this whole time, but he's whatever. He's kind of a freak. I don't like him. Yeah, he's a pervert. Yeah, apparently, because Rose was like, yeah, you tried to like feel me or whatever. like Yeah, I felt your hands wandering while you kidnapped me. Kill that guy. Kill that guy. Kill that guy.
00:39:11
Speaker
ah But he gets his like neck snapped in like the worst neck snapping choreography I've seen. ah Very heavily relying on sound effects for that shot.
00:39:24
Speaker
But he he dies and they possess his body and ever and they start like lumbering towards the doctor and Rose. And they get cornered behind like some like ah bars while Charles Dickens runs out of there. He's like, I can't do this. I gotta get out here.
00:39:39
Speaker
and I gotta burp. Excuse me. That's the gelf leave in your body. No!
00:39:48
Speaker
But, ah so Charles, I guess he, like, runs out for a second. He sort of stops, he's like, you know what? I could do something about this. And he goes back in, and he starts, um... I think he said he's turning up the gas, because he's covering his mouth. He's covering his nose, because he, like, can't breathe, right?
00:40:04
Speaker
Yeah, and they were like, okay, now they'll have gas to fly into out of the bodies. I felt like that didn't make much sense. I didn't really get it, but i was like, ah, whatever gets us to the last act.
00:40:17
Speaker
I think this is also, I thought this was interesting that this was, i think, um at least Rose expressing this, like the fact that she could potentially die in the past.
00:40:30
Speaker
And she was like, that can't be possible, right? And then the doctor is like, well, time is... ah He literally says time is a flux. It's not a straight line, and you could be born later and die in the past. And she's like, oh, crap.
00:40:42
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, the time knife. We've all seen it. Yeah, we've all seen the timeline being rewritten and all that. um i do think it's interesting... ah God, what's the word? The idea that Rose could be invincible because she's in the past.
00:41:00
Speaker
Like, someone tries to kill her and she's just like, it's like, uh-uh. Uh-uh. Reverse. Does little finger wag. Yeah. Sassy. this is But, uh.
00:41:11
Speaker
Charles Dickens comes down and he tells the doctor his plan of, like, ah releasing the gas. So all the gas... Because, like, the ghosts are all gas or something. i didn't really get that part.
00:41:22
Speaker
this says the But they all, like, go and follow the gas, I guess. And then the gas gets sucked up somewhere. Here's what I don't get. Because they say, like, that that that the ghost would be sucked up by the gas. But there's no...
00:41:36
Speaker
Pardon my verbiage, but there's no sucking happening. And I thought the gas was coming out of the lamps, so where is it going? i I think it's just kind of like, eh, don't think about it too much type writing. Yeah, type I'm not a science-ologist, unfortunately. yeah unfortunately, I don't know gas.
00:41:56
Speaker
I'm not a gas-ologist or science-y man. Yeah, we had to go to art school. Yeah, we went to art school, so we didn't have to do that stuff. Let's see. So the Doctor and Rose are able to escape, and ah Rose doesn't want to leave Gwyneth behind, but the Doctor tells them all to go, because obviously the humans are having a bit trouble breathing all the gas.
00:42:17
Speaker
The Doctor seems to be doing fine, though. He doesn't seem to mind. Um, but he, I think Gwyneth basically hands him matches. Who gives the doctor matches? Someone gives him matches.
00:42:29
Speaker
I think it might have been Charles. Gwyneth had her own matches, but I don't know if she got them from somebody else. I thought maybe Charles gave it to, I wasn't really, that scene happened really fast. I wasn't really paying attention. Yeah. Like was right before our eyes. Yeah. But eventually the doctor gets his hands on the matches and hands it to Gwyneth.
00:42:46
Speaker
And, uh, I think he like, he checks her pulse real quick and finds out that she's basically dead at this point. And so I don't know what's making her talk. what Did she talk at all in that scene?
00:42:59
Speaker
I can't remember. I can't remember. but whatever. The doctor gives her the matches and she knows exactly what to do with them. And he runs out of there and she lights the match and the whole building explodes.
00:43:10
Speaker
And ah the doctor, Rose, and Charles Dickens just kind of look on the burning building like, like protagonists at the end of a film.
00:43:20
Speaker
And ah as you know ah they start to leave, Charles Dickens basically is just like, you've given me a new outlook on life. There's so much more in this world I didn't know about, which I feel like touches upon my point of like, you know you just have to yeah experience new things and things you didn't know were there for you to like reignite some creative and living part of you.
00:43:41
Speaker
And ah he's like, I'm gonna go make amends with my family, which I think, as you found out, is a very big family. Yeah, I did some research. It turns out he has 10 children. 10 children and an overlapping marriage.
00:43:57
Speaker
Yeah, and a wife that he did. The paper we were reading said he dumped that exact word, her, for a younger woman. which we can't verify the accuracy because we didn't do we umt we did minutes and minutes of research.
00:44:09
Speaker
Yeah, we did it in between the recording of us watching the episode and the recording of this right now. We just did five seconds of research of like, okay, how big was this family what was the situation?
00:44:21
Speaker
But there was a bit of overlap between his two wives, but he did have like 10 kids. So yeah, I would say he should probably go make amends with them, especially because the doctor reveals that he will be dying in the next year.
00:44:33
Speaker
yeah I think they said it was a stroke. I don't really remember, but I think we confirmed on Wikipedia was complications due to a stroke. Yes, like he had a stroke and he died like a little bit right after it.
00:44:46
Speaker
And he like before the Doctor and Rosalie, he like talks about how he wants to like rewrite the ending for a story called Edwin Drood, which I personally have never heard of. I might have to look it up now.
00:44:59
Speaker
and maybe read it. I don't know. It's been a while since I've read anything by Charles Dickens. um But the Doctor and Rose, they they head off and on to the next adventure.
00:45:14
Speaker
All right, so that's like the end part of that. I think already asked, you know, I don't know why I asked you for your thoughts at the beginning of the episode, even though we usually do it okay near the end, but that's okay.
00:45:25
Speaker
um I am excited for what is coming. We can talk about oh me too some of the trivia points I found on IMDb, which one of which I wasn't able to find a source on.
00:45:38
Speaker
So I don't know how true it is. It'd be very cool if it was true. um But that ah that specific factoid is that um apparently the character of Sneed, the the mortuary guy, um he was ah initially conceived to be a younger character with, ah get this, the actor in mind to play him being David Tennant.
00:46:02
Speaker
no way i mean maybe i love how it's like no way or like possibly way maybe way i wasn't able to find a source on this what i do what does have a source is that it was mark it was writer mark gaitis's idea to suggest that alan david who plays sneed in the episode uh be cast as him uh because apparently he like really admired his work um in like previous things i don't know what his previous work was he's just British, old British guy, I don't really know him that well. I'm so sorry, Mr. mr David, if I'm insulting you.
00:46:38
Speaker
Now this is gonna be very awkward when we have him on the show. Of course, I'll be like, hello, we've loved you since day one I'm such a big fan of all your work, like, that, is then you know, that one and that one episode of Doctor Who, where you died and exploded in that building.
00:46:57
Speaker
You meeting any Doctor Who actor? Yeah. I mean, any British actor. um Same thing. Yeah. But ah another factoid is that ah i'm i I actually didn't catch this in the episode, so I'm glad you did.
00:47:12
Speaker
ah Dickens cries, what the Shakespeare? Which is, a it's actually a play on the common exclamation, what the Dickens? um ah Which okay apparently, contrary to popular belief, has nothing to do with Charles Dickens. And is the word Dickens is, in fact, a euphemism for the devil, basically.
00:47:32
Speaker
So it's like saying, what the hell? Okay. Okay. Okay, I see. I thought it was a a way to avoid saying a certain swear word. Yeah. I think it's funny that like, ah what's the word? Charles Dickens had like a bit of a Gretchen from Mean Girls moment where he was trying to make what the Shakespeare happened, but it wasn't going to happen.
00:47:53
Speaker
R.I.P. What the Shakespeare. Hello. What the sickness. No. A man may die, but you can never kill his ideas.
00:48:05
Speaker
Oh my gosh. Okay, so apparently so okay, so here's some more IMDB trivia points, to to which may or may not be true, but it's fun to think that they are. According to Margatis, there apparently was going to be a scene where the doctor ah was mistaken for Sneed's new cleaner.
00:48:21
Speaker
Someone would have stated, quote, I thought you'd be a woman, quote, to the doctor, and the doctor who would have replied, no, not yet. Hinting that the Time Lords can change sex. Which is not something I thought would be introduced right now. But I mean, it technically it hasn't been.
00:48:37
Speaker
But it's an interesting factoid. I mean, it's not really- it is interesting. It's also not a spoiler because I know you know one of the Doctors is a woman. But- Yes. I don't know. as fans were waiting years for that. We were like, one day, one day he'll turn it into a woman.
00:48:51
Speaker
That day is not today. i just know that the the Doctor can't be Ginger. I know that's the only thing he can never transform into. I guess.
00:49:02
Speaker
But ah what's another one? Oh, oh, okay. So this is ah fact this is a little trivia about the actor who played Charles Dickens. So his name is Simon Callow, and he has apparently played Charles Dickens several other times on television and stage, including a one-man play called The Mystery of Charles Dickens.
00:49:20
Speaker
And he contended that for him to agree to play Charles Dickens, the script would have to be sufficiently high quality, which I think is so funny. Because I feel like this is like, I think this is a solid episode, you know? i don't i don't know if it's like, the i you know what?
00:49:37
Speaker
You know what? This is a good episode. I think this is a good episode because of the themes it offers, you know? And I'm happy this guy. Got to play Charles Dickens. Yeah, I have yet to watch an episode and be like, I didn't i didn't like this one. Oh, just do you wait. That episode's coming.
00:49:55
Speaker
sure it will. There is like one episode that the fans like universally hate. I would be very interested to see if you dislike it. Oh, it's going to be my favorite episode. I will try not to say what it is as to not bias you, but it'll be really funny when we get to it. And I'll try not to say anything.
00:50:11
Speaker
I hope as soon as it ends, I'm like, Julia, is this the episode? This is a my favorite. You just go, is this the episode? And then I go, yes. And then you go, is this my favorite episode? I start crying.
00:50:22
Speaker
ah A continuation of that trivia was that, ah so when Simon Cowell heard that ah that ah Charles Dickens was to feature in Doctor Who, his heart, quote-unquote, sank as he felt fiction had the tendency to posit the author as a as a, quote, kind of all-purpose Victorian literary character and really understood little, if anything, about him of his life or his books, quote.
00:50:46
Speaker
ah The director, Uris Lin, noted that the material being of interest to Callow was key to him getting it involved. Callow stated that Mark Gatiss knew exactly what Dickens was about and, quote, very cleverly connects his idealism with the Doctor's desire to save the world, quote.
00:51:03
Speaker
And Callow was also very pleased that the episode portrayed Dickens as he was towards the end of his life, ill and sad rather than energetic, which I think I could find it interesting. If you're like typecast as like one character and you played him multiple times, I think it would be interesting to play him in a not very commonly portrayed part of his life, which is like the last year of his life.
00:51:26
Speaker
And that's so interesting to not even be typecast as a fictional character, but as a real person who actually existed. You just look so much like him. You gotta get on that stage, Dickens boy Welcome back, Charles Dickens.
00:51:39
Speaker
It's like he's here with us. It's like he's in the room right now. Sometimes I can still hear his voice. ah Singing all those Christmas carols. and ah God bless us, everyone. um I forgot to mention that part in the episode. That's how the episode ends, is him saying that. i was like, that's a bit on the nose, but whatever.
00:52:00
Speaker
The ah final trivia point I have is ah the episode also reintroduces the TARDIS habit of taking the Doctor to the wrong places, something that had not yet happened in the revived series.
00:52:10
Speaker
So this wasn't a new thing that's happening, like New Who. Apparently this has happened in Classic Who before, where... I talked to you a little bit about it off mic, but it's very common in Doctor Who that the doctor will be like, I want to go to this place, and then the TARDIS takes him to something kind of similar, but definitely not the place he asked to go to.
00:52:32
Speaker
Okay, I also didn't realize that it was the TARDIS doing it, because I thought like the doctor was just stupid, and he just didn't get to work car. He is, okay, well, he is kind of stupid. i Oh, don't get me wrong, Hayley, he's an idiot. Yeah.
00:52:47
Speaker
I don't know if I should say this. well maybe I should, okay, ill i'll I'll be as vague as possible. It's implied in a later season. that the doctor doesn't really fly the TARDIS very well.
00:53:01
Speaker
Okay. Apparently. And that's all I'll say on the matter. Got it, got it. they They delve into it a bit more, kind of mostly as a joke, but that's kind of what the main implication is.
00:53:12
Speaker
Is that one, the TARDIS likes to be a little silly goofy and takes him to different places, but also number two, he can't drive very well. That does make me curious how much free will the TARDIS has.
00:53:25
Speaker
Because I know that she is very much a character in and of herself and that also she's a beautiful woman. She's a so beautiful, ah gender fluid woman. Yes. Just as the doctor is.
00:53:38
Speaker
Exactly. You're so true, bestie. Yeah. ah But I think ah other than that, I think that's everything to talk about the episode. ah Is it ratings time? I guess I think so. I think it's ratings time. what what How do you feel about this episode?
00:53:53
Speaker
Oh, well, you know what's coming. I, of course, am giving this 7 out of 10, what the Shakespeare's. Oh, no! Because what else could I give it? That's funny.
00:54:06
Speaker
Oh, my goodness. I think if I had to give it a rating, I would give it a, hmm... I think I'll give it 6.75, so like 6 and 3 quarters, screaming grandmamas that are fanatics of Charles Dickens out of 10 screaming grandmamas.
00:54:29
Speaker
Beautiful, beautiful. I just love how that's not even like a nickname we've come up with. That's just what they call her. that's... Is Grandma Her name is Grandma Mom. I wonder if... Do you think she was in the credits as Grandma Mom? Oh my god I didn't. I closed it out. I'd have to check.
00:54:43
Speaker
we have to go look. Oh my goodness. Hold on. Maybe I can actually pull it up real quick. Hold on, Doctor Who on... I'll tell a story while you're doing that.
00:54:53
Speaker
Because, you know, we were talking about, you know, ways of dealing with art block and writer's block. I have also found it very useful to keep lists so of all your ideas because sometimes you could be like, don't have any ideas. And it's like, oh, I forgot this idea I had seven years ago.
00:55:09
Speaker
And I was reviewing my list of like book ideas and show ideas and stories and before we got on, and on my list is book based on that one homework experience.
00:55:21
Speaker
And I have no idea what the hell this means. That's- okay, that's on you for not detailing that. That's me, yeah. I have no clue what I was talking about. No way. Cause you've had- I feel like you've had multiple homework experiences.
00:55:35
Speaker
I guess everyone has. I will say, I'm looking at the credits now. She is credited as Mrs. P, so not Grandma. Grandma P. What a shame. I also forgot to um list the key crew ah of this episode. So it was, you know, we talked about it a lot, but the main writer for this is Mark Gatiss.
00:55:56
Speaker
He is going to be very prolific in the seasons to come. ah And I believe he... You know what? I shouldn't say. You know what? I'll shut up. um But we also have the director, Yurislin, again.
00:56:13
Speaker
i think they were there. Yurislin, I don't know your pronouns, Yurislin. What are you? He, him. Let me get this this guy's pronouns before i curse him out. I know he, hear you were about to say, b****.
00:56:30
Speaker
Well, now you said it. I'll cut this part out, though. Okay. And this episode was also produced by Phil Collinson. I don't know if he was there earlier, that's our... He was because I remember every single time I've seen him in an episode, I think he's been in each one, every time I see his name, I think it says Phil Collins.
00:56:48
Speaker
And I made a joke about this in one of our reactions, I believe. I said, oh, I loved his work on Tarzan. Ah, good one. Now he's in Doctor Who producing. Yeah,
00:56:59
Speaker
Well, that's all we got left. Unless you have anything else to say, Hayley. I mean, I think that about covers it. I will check my notes. I thought the riffs being like the explanation for ghost stories I thought was interesting. Yeah, he does say that. That it's like yeah every like most experiences with ghosts people have is because of riffs. And I was like, oh, okay. I thought it was funny how Dickens thought that he was on Ye Olde Punk'd, basically. Yeah.
00:57:26
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um It is always funny seeing people's way of like explaining away supernatural old impractical jokers. Ye old impractical jokers. Oh my god, Mars. When are they getting impractical jokers on Dr. Wolf?
00:57:41
Speaker
Well, they're American, I doubt it, but it'd be really funny if like they we get an impractical joker jump scare, basically. Impractical joker jump scare. I think we talked about this already. There's got to be like a British impractical jokers, right? Yeah.
00:57:56
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Yes, I did alert you to the fact that there was a British in Practical Jokers, but I don't think it lasted very long. my gosh, there's a woman! There's a woman! There's a woman on it! I found out pretty recently, I think there was an Australian version too, but I don't know how long it lasted or if it's still on. Okay, and it is still called a Practical Jokers, I see.
00:58:15
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It's gotta be hard to like manufacture that because I was seeing people say like a big part of what makes, because I saw this on TikTok and people were saying like, but a big part of what makes the original show good is the fact that they've been friends their whole lives. As opposed like- Like can't just get a bunch of randos. bunch of random people who were like definitely not in a comedy troupe.
00:58:34
Speaker
Yeah. Unlike our special boys. unlike you and me, we're special boys. Hooray! Hooray! Well, these special boys got get to get the hell out of here because the episode is over. It's over, everyone. Get out.
00:58:50
Speaker
Get out! Get out! Get out! Get out! We're closed! We're closed! Get out. We're going to cover another episode. The TARDIS is closed. TARDIS is closed. We're going on talking about aliens again next week. I don't know. yeah i don't i kind of remember what happens next week in the next episode.
00:59:09
Speaker
Not next week for us. we're I don't know when we're going record again, but next week for maybe you guys. All right. Well. Why are you closed? Tell us why you're closed. Yeah. Goodbye. You'll never be mad. Bye.
00:59:29
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00:59:53
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Bye!