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007 Sani Resort's sustainability strategy
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GUEST / ELENI ANDREADIS OF SANI RESORT
- www.sani-resort.com
- Sani Sustainability Report 2019
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- Sani on Twitter
HOST / MATT MORLEY
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Transcript
Introduction to the Podcast and Sani Resort
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Welcome to episode seven of the Green and Healthy Places podcast with me, Matt Morley, founder of Biofilico Interiors and Biofit Nature Jumes. In this episode, we're in Greece at Sani Resort, a five-style property located on the Aegean Sea, just 70 kilometers from Thessaloniki Airport. Sani is made up of five hotels located on a 1,000-acre ecological reserve with its own pine forest, seven
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different beaches, 40 restaurants, and dedicated academies, offering everything from tennis to scuba diving, survival skills, biking, football, and sailing.
Sani Resort's Sustainability Program Overview
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So they have an abundance of nature and healthy lifestyle options, but where the story really takes off is with their world-class sustainability program that incorporates hotel operations, biodiversity of the local site, and support for nearby communities.
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Our guide through all of this is Eleni Andriades, Director of Sustainability and CSR. In this detailed conversation, we get into Sani's zero carbon achievements thus far, sourcing local ingredients for their kitchens, investing in photovoltaic panels for the medium term, recycling programs, and the goal to go zero waste within the next three years.
Balancing Luxury with Sustainability at Sani Resort
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This really is a masterclass in how to balance a luxury hospitality experience
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with the demands of an ambitious sustainability plan and a genuine concern for both wildlife and local culture. If you enjoy this type of podcast content, please hit subscribe or leave us a review and be sure to check out sani-resort.com. That's s-a-n-i-resort.com for some amazing visuals whilst listening along. Nana mas. Here is Eleni Andreades.
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Eleni, thank you for joining me today on the podcast. I think it would be an obvious place to start, but I think really useful. Just have a quick overview of Sani Resort, the business, the brand that it is today, and your role specifically as Director of Sustainability and CSR. Hi, Matt, and thanks so much for having me.
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Well, it's a pleasure to talk about Sarni Resort and what we do, what we've been trying to do around sustainability. We're a resort in Greece. It's a five-star resort, home to five hotels. We're lucky to be housed in an expanse of over 100, 110 hectares
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of land, a Natura European network area of protected natural beauty. We have seven exclusive beaches and a natural pine tree forest.
History of Sustainability at Sani Resort
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cradles our hotel. So we've been very blessed to have our hotels in an area that's very beautiful naturally. And I would say that that was the starting point for us in building this program. It's kind of been something that's been in the company's DNA for decades since the founding of the company, I would say, but it's something that we've been building further and further what we've called the
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sign sustainability program. And that's something that encapsulates the hotel operation. So at the heart of it, of course, is the hotel operations and how can we be most sustainable in how we do our day to day business. But then also going beyond that and looking at how what we can do to protect our local biodiversity. So, for example, the neighboring wetlands, there's a huge area, wetlands area that's home to
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over half of the species that the bird species that one can find in the whole of Greece. And then how we can further as a third, what we call a third pillar and local community support and human capital development and partnerships. So how can we help locally to create a much better environment and a more sustainable environment for all in our local area?
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So it's an expansive program. If I may just dig a little deeper then into the ownership structure of the business. So it's family owned. So the interest and the belief in sustainability is coming from the owners of the business. Is it a sense of responsibility for the local community? Is it a sense of this is just how a business should be in Greece at this time in our history?
Impact of COVID-19 on Sani Resort's Operations
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How do you see that?
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The company did start as a family business. My grandfather started the business with a partner and my father is the CEO. And a few years back, four years back, we had some investors come in. So our structure is no longer a family business, although it's still
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there's ownership, the family still has ownership stake in the business and manages the business. So that's all just to say that we, the program predates any investment. So I would say that very much it was always in the culture of the company. When I joined the company 11 years ago, I had studied, I studied and focused on environmental policy.
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So that was very much a personal interest of me. So we built the program and structured it, structured it, sort of post my arrival in the company. But it's something that's been very much at the heart of the company and how it's been developed. And of course, now having what's interesting is that we're seeing a lot of these investors that have invested in the company being extremely interested in taking
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these matters even further. I think there's just so much finally, one would say, interest from the finance community as well. You know, you see things like the European Green Deal, you know, I mean, very much, you know, the world of money, if you like, is very much focusing on these issues now and realizing that it's the way to go, really. So I would say there are
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There's a pull from, you know, the heart of the company was always that the programs were built that way and because it's the culture of the company and now we're seeing extra interest externally also and from the world of investment.
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It sounds like it's tying in connecting that from sustainability through to CSR and really into what's now being called ESG, environmental, social and governance as well, which seems to be really where the big portfolios of investments specifically in real estate are going.
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Resort at the moment, then it would be remiss of us not to at least cover this at the beginning of our conversation. So how has it been? What has been the impact of Covid? Obviously, it's been tough. How have you responded to the situation and what are your plans going forward for 21 from a sustainability perspective? So we there was so much uncertainty, as everyone knows, about whether we would even open this season.
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We did end up opening not all the hotels, but we opened most of our hotels and we introduced what we called the Only Itzani protocol, aiming to create a safe zone with world-class health and safety measures. So things such as testing all guests,
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offering social, employing, ensuring social distancing, sanitation and safety. We had, we were the first to be certified as a COVID safe hotel and resorts in Greece and really just going above and beyond. I would say that we're lucky and blessed with a very spacious environment. So, you know, we only had the al fresco dining.
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We have huge, anyway, even prior to COVID protocols, we had a great distance in the beach. Oh my, sorry, can you hear my son in the background? Sorry. It's more authentic.
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The nature theme, if I may, we touched on it briefly before we started chatting or recording.
Guest Experience and Natural Integration at Sani
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It's something that I've been looking at and have been a great believer in for a long time and it just feels like now there's perhaps, if anything, a greater appreciation for the health benefits of
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being outside of connecting with nature. So how are you within the resort itself? What examples do you have of both within the context of COVID, but also just in terms of the operations of the hotel? How do you promote that? How do you encourage guests to connect with nature and to perhaps go beyond just lying on the beach and to really go deeper into the nature that you have within the huge complex and the land that you have there?
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Yes, I think what we've definitely tried to do is to offer all our unique services in harmony and within nature. I think, for example, I mentioned the Alfresco private dining and then also private in Europe.
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private garden on the beach in a secluded natural setting, so picnics. So it's very much, for us, our unique natural surroundings are such a unique reason, such a specific reason that guests choose to stay with us. So of course, we're making the most of this and we offer
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special experiences such as, you know, beekeeping trips. So, for example, our resident beekeeper, you know, you can don the whole outfit and go into the forest and see how honey is harvested. Of course, bird-watching trips, we have an echo guide offering complimentary trips to the forest to
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the wetlands, so bird-watching trips as I mentioned, but also guided forest walks, tide also with the mythology of the area, you know we're lucky enough you can see the you know Mount Olympus across, sailing trips so you can enjoy the sea, guided jogging trips, biking tours, so we try and offer as much as possible
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India only at Saini experience because it's really things that you can really focus on and do in Saini, which you wouldn't be able to do somewhere else where it would just be just a beautiful beach, which is also great, of course, and part of the reason that the beautiful waters are another reason why people come. And I should also say that our whole sustainability program
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You know, we don't want it to be something that's separate and that you read about on our website. We want guests to be experiencing it, also parts of it, as they're staying with us. So for example, we have the Echo Day festival, which is on Sundays. And there we bring local producers whose produce you can taste at the hotel. And they show you, for example, how they make
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you know, how they make some of these things or how they make like olive soap or how they make cipro or how they make so it's very much kind of it's something that you can read about on our website and you can learn more about but it's also something that we want guests to be able to experience be it in nature or be it through meeting people like local producers and tasting local products.
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So it's that idea of nature being an integral part of the Sani experience.
Sani Resort's Commitment to Zero Carbon,
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And therefore, at the same time, you have this duty and responsibility to protect
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the nature that is part of in a way of what you offer and what people come to you for. So that's where the sustainability piece comes in beyond the eco experiences at a hotel operation and guest experience level. But then behind the scenes, you're doing all this work
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around protecting the environment itself. So for example, the shift, the conversion towards renewable energy sources. How easy or complicated was that for you in your specific location in Greece? Can you sort of tell us about how you managed to do that? Last year, our carbon footprint is something that we've been looking at for years. So we've tried to
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whenever looking at new projects or even, you know, refurbishing our existing facilities. We've looked at adding renewable energy. Well, firstly, I should say looked at energy conservation and then adding renewable energy whenever we can. But what changed last year is as part of the whole push towards
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Basically, the Paris Agreement, I would say, and the renewed focus on all of us realizing that we have very, very little time to act on climate change was this discussion that we had about, well, we need to do much more. We need to go much further. So as part of that, the company committed to a four-year plan to have a zero carbon footprint through
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a combination of measures and that was 2020 is going to be our first year of having a zero carbon footprint. Now this year, that's coming from the renewable energy that we use on site, but also from offsetting our electricity use. What we're aiming to do within these four years is to increase, to add a huge capacity of renewable energy
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through net metering, which means that neighboring land where renewable energy will be installed. We're in the process of licensing at the moment. So that would be the reason for that. And the difficulty around installing 100% renewable energy onsite is that we don't have the room to do the surface area to do that. So we're exhausting the
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abilities that we have for renewable energy on site. And then we're adding on neighboring land, we're adding renewable mainly photovoltaics. So that's a four year plan that we're aiming to, we're aiming to complete. COVID was an unfortunate sort of blip in that plan, but we're trying to, we're hoping not to have
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to have delays because of COVID, even though, as I'm sure you can imagine, this year financially was very, very bad for tourism as a whole. But we understand and appreciate that we can't delay on acting on climate change, and this is our ambitious plan and our ambitious commitment to stopping climate change.
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So if I may, just on the PV panels for those listening who perhaps might assume that it's an easy process and there's really not much to it, there's a lot more behind that kind of a decision in terms of going big on what type of photovoltaic panels to install, how to install them, the type of timelines you must be dealing with, right? When thinking of how many years will it take before we start to really be able to see the impact. So how have you,
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What are some of the lessons that you've learned from that process? Because it is a bold move and it is essential, but still it's not an easy one, right? Because there's a lot of upfront investment and a lot of management and the technology is changing. How have you found that experience and what have you learned from implementing it?
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Yes, it is definitely, it is a complicated process. I would say we're blessed and specifically in our part of Greece to have very good applications of this technology because we have a lot of abundant sunlight. What we've done because we, as a company, I mean our
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primarily in the business of tourism. We are also in real estate clearly and in construction. But what we've done is partnered with companies that can help guide us through this process. As you mentioned, it's basically I think everything starts from being committed to this from the top. So I think the most important
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step that we took is this commitment from the board level on embarking on this project. And as you say, the investment, the upfront investment
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And I think that was the key step and the rest. So the company agreeing to incur this risk, this rather cost, which will not have like a one-year return clearly, but
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just acknowledging that this is something that we need to do and embarking on this trip and this decision. I think that it's something that definitely, as I mentioned, our investor community is behind and very much encouraging, as well as our guests are really appreciating. This is something that's very different if you look at 10 years back.
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people were just not as it wasn't something that they were as perhaps as knowledgeable about. I mean, when I talk about these things now, I have to talk about, for example, net metering, you know, and it's not unheard of for a lot of our guests, I would say, actually know what that is. And, you know, so they want to know more and they want to know details about how we do it. And that's why I want to be very clear about exactly how we're doing what we're doing and have that transparency. And I should also add,
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But we're certifying with ISO. We're going through the process of being fully certified by third parties. And this is the case for all our sustainability program and everything that we do that can be certified to give everyone the peace of mind that there is transparency in everything that we're doing and all that we're talking about.
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I think that's one of the things I've really picked up already whilst doing my research on the brand that is Sani today. You've clearly got such a joined up approach. It goes really all the way through the operations of the
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of the various hotels. So you can't just sort of put some photovoltaic panels in, and then that's your sustainability strategy done. You've expanded, you've gone deep, you've gone wide, covering everything, including the likes of, say, waste minimization in hotels, things like that. How do you overcome, say, limitations of having no municipal recycling services available, for example?
Innovative Waste and Water Management Practices
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What have been the challenges in reducing the amount of waste produced by the various hotels within the resort
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Yeah, waste, as people might know, is a key sort of pollution factor when it comes to hotels. So it's something that we've really worked on. As you mentioned, definitely when I joined the company, there was no municipal recycling. I know since last year, there have been finally some steps towards having recycling offered through the municipality.
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For us, what we did is we partnered with private companies who collect the waste charges for coming to collect the waste and then sell, then pay us for the waste and sell it. So to say all this quite simply. So if you're looking at, for example, oil, used oil being recycled into biofuel,
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And, you know, all streams of waste, of course, paper, plastic. And this has, I mean, we even have recently started recycling old linen that has not been able, that we've not been able to donate, that has not been in sort of a condition where we can donate it. So I would say that we've partnered with the correct,
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We've partnered with people who've been able to help us realize this ambition of becoming, if we could, zero waste. And that's our long-term goal. At the moment, we have a zero-plastic, three-year goal. COVID unfortunately did set us back on that. But it's something that we've already reduced our plastic use by over 90%.
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since we started the project about seven years ago. So it's something that we've been looking at for a long time. We've had paper straws for a long time, for example, before it became, rightly so, something that guests really demand. And I would say COVID has set us back a little bit, unfortunately. It's something that we're really working on as we speak, preparing for next year. How can we look at all these individual wrappings
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things that have been imposed for COVID reasons. So looking at how we can still be COVID safe while also being sustainable.
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And it's been and still is a journey. We have to look at every single action, every single item. How can we do this better? How can we do this less wastefully? And in some parts, it's been an investment. I mentioned oil, use oil recycling or can recycle cans. That's something that you could actually
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financially makes sense. You look at other items like plastic recycling and prices are, I mean, it's really, really very, as people may know, very difficult. There is no market for recycled plastic at the moment. So it's a journey of something that we keep working on with the long-term goal of becoming zero waste as much as possible. So it's about
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reducing waste and if it's not possible to reduce waste then seeing you know how we can best recycle it. And in terms of where your role joins up and connects with say the hotel management hotel operations in terms of
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how or whether the guest experiences any changes during their stay that reflect their sustainability policy behind the scenes. To implement these kind of changes, is the guest, when you're talking about the five-star luxury, the industry that you're in, do you find there's any tension there, or is it a case of communicating your sustainability strategy, for example, in the guest rooms or in the villas,
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directly and asking guests to make some, let's call it some modest sacrifice, or is it all behind the scenes and the guest almost doesn't experience it? Or is it something you almost want to talk about and communicate directly? Yes. Well, it's a bit of it's a bit of all those things. I mean, there is, for sure, it's something that guests, I would say guests are now on board with. And they're even driving it in
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nowadays in many cases, you know, I'm TripAdvisor, you get lots of comments about how, you know, you can do things better. And that really helps, well, that really helps my department anyway. But it's always a discussion that is to be had with operations. Obviously, you know, I think that the kind of the idea that it was a trade off between luxury and sustainability is nowadays, thankfully, no longer
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I don't hear that anymore, really. It's more things to do with safety. For example, we changed all our plastic bottles to glass bottles in the rooms. We used to have a complimentary
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bottle by the side table. And then we changed all those to glass. But the reason that we only did it two years ago is because we, operations were worried that because we're a very child friendly resort, that they might be breaking and they might be there might be sort of health and safety issues. So these are all issues that we have to consider when looking at these things. But I would say that
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I would say that it's not a trade off. And nowadays looking at plastic, for example, it really does have a, you know, people are aware of plastic pollution. I don't think people tie plastic, single use plastic with luxury, far from it. So I think that that is helping our job in communicating that, you know, it's not really luxury to have like a thousand small plastic bottles
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amenities or, you know, plastic wrapped stuff everywhere. So I would say that I would say that it's not a trade off. And I would say that guests are very, very much on board with that. And of course, it's something that we do discuss with operations and needs to we need to consider a lot of different things. But I would say it's very compatible, sustainability is very compatible with a five star guest experience.
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You mentioned water. I mean, obviously mineral water is one piece, but if we sort of zoom out a little bit onto a water strategy, this is something that is now a huge piece within the green building movement and US Green Building Council lead certifications, et cetera. And I was really interested to see that you've implemented your own water conservation strategy. How have you done that? And what sort of tactics have you used within that around reducing the total amount of water that's used within the resort?
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Well, the first step was installing low flow pictures in all the tabs. And that actually is something when I talk to other hoteliers, like smaller units, it's a very quick saving that someone can do.
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also financially, I mean. So that was the first thing that we did a long time ago. We have very rigorous processes in place for detecting leaks and not wasting water. And then we've also installed a recycling water system that's used for irrigation, which has really helped with reducing our water use because we have very expansive
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gardens and lands and this was a key element for us in terms of our water strategy. And I know that there must be a huge piece then connected to that in terms of raising awareness amongst
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or internally amongst your staff. So in terms of sort of staff training or where you need to or have felt the need to reach out and if you almost sort of educate or bring all of your
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bring the wider staff understanding, bring those levels up so that they, even down to the gardeners or the people on the front line serving guests in the hotels, that they also have an element of some basic knowledge of how the hotel is, or how the resort is implementing the sustainability strategy. So I read that you've done over 10,000 hours of staff training. How did that happen? And did you manage that yourselves through the sustainability team?
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Yes, that's something that we do annually. We have a big HR team who deliver these trainings when our staff first begin their job. The
Local Sourcing in Culinary Operations
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challenge that we always have in Greece is that we are a seasonal operation. So we have a lot of people who are working
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for the season, just for the season. Of course, we have a big part of that staff is repeat stuff. But still, that means that we have to constantly be explaining and retraining new people right off the bat. So that's a big part of us. So for the general in the general induction and the training, a big component is the
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training and the focus on sustainability issues. And then, of course, there is a huge amount of on-the-job training that's done. And that's where also my department gets involved. And I do believe what you mentioned, that changing the culture and
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educating people on these issues is extremely important. So we've included things like for example the Great Pacific garbage patch in our training. So why are we doing all this around plastic?
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And I was very, very encouraged to see how even people who were hesitant because, you know, granted, it's some of the things that we do, do make people's jobs sometimes a little bit, you know, harder in the sense of
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You can't throw everything in the same bin. You have to be careful about these things and you have to go the extra mile. But I was encouraged to see how people respond really positively when you've made them aware of something that they might not know. And it's very much something that we've built on over the years. You can't expect miracles from one day to the next. It's a culture that you build.
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at the end of the day, nothing is possible. And none of this is possible if the staff isn't behind it 100%. And many times actually driving, even driving change and coming to us and saying, well, can we do this differently? I think we can do it this way. And that would make it more sustainable.
Urgency of Sustainability Actions
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And for things to say then, if you imagine the sourcing of ingredients and things, I mean, you've got such a wonderful gastronomic culture there.
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locally. How have you worked with, in this case, say the kitchen staff or whoever's doing the procurement of ingredients for the kitchens, have you developed a strategy there around fruit and vegetables that are local or seasonal? Have you been able to find what you need in that sense? Yes, so we have in our sustainability
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indicators that we use. Local produce is one. So we have specific targets around using local produce and national produce. So we've managed to bring that to close to 60%. And that's something that we want to keep improving. And I think it's been
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Again, we're lucky that we have really great produce in Greece and in Northern Greece. And we've definitely worked with our chefs in devising menus where we really highlight local produce. And it really is part of the experience for the guests as well. Like they do want to experience the local cuisine.
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Of course, we're a resort that offers a wide choice of restaurants and a wide choice of menus. So we also have, for example, in our, we have an Asian restaurant. So clearly we can't, there's a limit to how much local or rather exclusively local projects we can have, but we definitely do try and
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maximize this as much as possible, as well as, you know, running. And I think it's been a process. Like, for example, we had in our Sani Gourmet Festival, we had a local theme. So we had invited chefs, very renowned chefs to cook only with local, with local produce. We had our tomato restaurant cooking solely within 100, with food that's been procured from 100 kilometer radius. And that, I think,
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You know, experiences like that made, you know, showed our chefs and our staff that the amount of things that you can do also with local produce and discovering new local flavors. And that's something that we want to continue building in and do even better in. A lot of that sounds quite similar to things that we see in heavily urban environments. You know, there's this big trend in cities like London.
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Madrid, Barcelona where I am.
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to almost help those who are stuck, if you want to call it that way, stuck in the city to reconnect with the land, reconnect with local seasonal foods. So it makes total sense that you would then be, given your location, surrounded by nature, you would offer, in fact, go a lot further than most people are able to do or businesses are able to do in an urban environment. I'd like to be respectful of your time. I just wanted to ask, on perhaps a more personal level then, if there was one thing,
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What would you suggest for people looking to make a change, whether within their own business or within their own personal lives, within the framework of sustainability? Just leave one thought with people. What's the topic that's most on your mind at the moment? I think the urgency of it, really, I think we've become quite used to having
00:37:18
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Placing the key issues, climate change, plastic pollution, biodiversity loss in the medium-term future, I would say. And now we've come to the limits of time that we have to act. And what we're going to be doing now and in the next, I would say,
00:37:43
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10 years is very generous because we need to make these decisions now in order to be able to act and turn things around within 10 years. It is going to affect our species and our future of our species on this planet. So I would just want to stress the urgency, whether it's what you can do at home or what you can do in your business, that's definitely what's guiding us.
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is the sense of there is just no time left.
Conclusion and Future Optimism for Sustainability
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Time is spent. I'm totally with you on that. I think it's, yeah, it's becoming increasingly clear that
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There's really only one way ahead and we need to start moving a lot quicker than we have in the past. But, you know, glass half full, looking at the more optimistic side, I think potentially over the next couple of years, we will see, if not a boom, at least more respect and interest paid to this theme. Whereas before, perhaps it was still seen as something off the mainstream.
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And the COVID experience has served to highlight just our dependency on nature. Once, of course, the conspiracy theories of whether this virus was manmade in China, which have been disproven, once we got that over with, we're just back to the main kind of issue at hand, which is what are we doing to nature and how dependent we are on
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nature and for the way we live and how fragile you know balance is. So hopefully this will also have helped people to realize this sense of urgency and to hopefully connect and see how they can be more in harmony with nature. Well then I think you're very well placed to capitalize or to be
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to offer what people are looking for. You've been doing it for a long time, but it may well be that there's an increased interest in that, an appreciation of what you do once all of this calms down. So if people want to read a bit more, what websites or social media handles do you recommend in terms of the resort and learning more about what you do? Well, our website would be the starting point, signingresort.com. And of course, we're on
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Facebook and Instagram, where you can be kept up to date with all our news. But on our website, you can find our sustainability reports and information that you may want on the project. And of course, we're more than happy to hear from everyone. So any ideas or questions that you want to send to the signing sustainability team and myself would be more than happy to
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reply and that's on info at signersort.com. Super. Well, we'll add all of those to the show notes. Thank you so much for your time. You're doing wonderful, wonderful work. It's really impressive and I have nothing but respect for what you're doing. It's essential, vital and important work. So thank you for what you do. Thank you. Thank you for your time. And we definitely aim to do better and better.