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Speaker: Welcome to The Psychic Apprentice.
Speaker: The Psychic Apprentice is hosted by Amber Hadley, a novice psychic who is on a mission to become a successful and effective medium.
Speaker: Each episode features a different guest who is an expert in the field of mediumship, psychic abilities, or paranormal phenomena.
Speaker: Together we'll learn from these guests and apply their teachings to our own journeys of psychic development.
Speaker: Sit back, listen, and learn with us.
Speaker: Welcome to The Psychic Apprentice.
Speaker: This is Amber Hadley, a novice psychic going on a learning journey with a lot of really great guests.
Speaker: Today here we have Pamela Paulington.
Speaker: She is an evidential medium from the UK.
Speaker: She is a graduate of the Arthur Finley College of Mediumship, which is one of the things we definitely want to talk about today.
Speaker: Thank you for joining me on my show.
Speaker: I really appreciate your time.
Speaker: Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker: So me and Pamela met actually at a workshop.
Speaker: She was here in the U.S. giving a workshop in Casadega, Florida, which is a spiritualist camp.
Speaker: So I'm about an hour, hour and a half from there.
Speaker: And I drove down for the workshop and I had a
Speaker: a wonderful, wonderful experience.
Speaker: We had a lot of experiential sort of experiences where we read for each other, got a lot of advice.
Speaker: And so I'm really excited to have you on the show so we can talk through some of that.
Speaker: I think one of the big things that we want to touch on is the difference between mediumship in the UK and mediumship in the US.
Speaker: And I think a lot of people don't understand how big of a difference is
Speaker: that is.
Speaker: But before we jump into that, if you'd just like to give us an idea of what it is that you do on a day-to-day basis.
Speaker: I know that you travel a lot.
Speaker: We'd love to hear a little bit more about what your life looks like as a medium traveling everywhere.
Speaker: Yeah, my life as a medium is very busy, actually, because in England, it's a little bit different than it is in the US, is that we have spiritual churches as well.
Speaker: So on a, I suppose, on a daily, daily, daily basis, it will be, I do private sittings for people, one-to-ones from my home.
Speaker: And those one-to-one sit-ins can be done face-to-face, or I do since COVID really a lot over Zoom, but the ones over Zoom are also for further afield in England and other countries, particularly America as well.
Speaker: And then that's it.
Speaker: And then in the evenings, because of the time difference, I'm either doing sittings in the evenings or I'm going to work on platform and do demonstrations of mediumship in churches and also other bigger venues too.
Speaker: That's awesome.
Speaker: I think you're kind of living my dream a little bit where you get to travel around and you're doing this professionally, which is amazing.
Speaker: One of the things that I find interesting when I hear you talk, say that you do readings in churches.
Speaker: So here in the U.S., spiritualist churches, spiritualist camps, things like that.
Speaker: They're very few and far between.
Speaker: And to me, at least, growing up in the South and all of that, the idea of mediumship and churches is kind of like oil and water.
Speaker: It doesn't seem to go together.
Speaker: So can we talk a little bit about spiritualist churches and kind of what that is and how that works into your mediumship?
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, when we think about spiritualism, it's a philosophy of science and a religion.
Speaker: So we're bringing it all together.
Speaker: And to make it legal within England, we had to obviously become having buildings that we can be able to serve out of, really.
Speaker: Because years ago, it was done behind closed doors.
Speaker: But obviously, lots of different acts have been passed that we are allowed to be a recognised religion.
Speaker: And I think since...
Speaker: 1902 become a recognized religion with this spiritual national union which is where a lot of the churches here are affiliated to the spiritual national union but then there are also those that are just independent spiritual churches so i kind of serve both as well um you know within the spirituals and spiritual national union my certificate that i've worked towards is recognized within the churches there and um
Speaker: It's basically, I suppose, we have songs, we have maybe a philosophy, a dress, and then we do the science part of the religion, which is proving life eternal with the evidence that's brought forward from mediumship.
Speaker: So that's very interesting.
Speaker: So it sounds like maybe the genesis of it a little bit was to become legitimized.
Speaker: And would you say that in spiritualism or in spiritualist churches, there's a basic idea of life after death and all of that, but ideals beyond that are very personalized?
Speaker: Would you say that that sounds about right?
Speaker: The ideals, just to say within the spiritualist church is that anybody's welcome.
Speaker: It doesn't matter what religion you are, you're still welcome through the doors of the spiritualist church.
Speaker: So people come searching, they want answers when their loved ones pass through the spirit world.
Speaker: They want proof that there is life after death.
Speaker: But it doesn't mean to say that if you're a Catholic or a Protestant or even a Jewish person, you're still welcome within the church doors, within spiritualism.
Speaker: I love that.
Speaker: I feel like that's beautiful, right?
Speaker: Like everybody is welcome.
Speaker: Everybody can get that evidence of life after death.
Speaker: And it's amazing.
Speaker: I would love to see something like that kind of blow up here in America a little bit.
Speaker: I feel like it could benefit a lot of people, especially mediums.
Speaker: So let's talk a little bit about your road to the Spiritualist Church and to the Arthur Finley College.
Speaker: It's something we don't have in the U.S. here either, is an institution that carries weight, that has the backing of real professionals, right?
Speaker: So
Speaker: We can become certified mediums here, but we don't have like a college to go to and to sit down and take classes with.
Speaker: So I'd love to hear a little bit more about your story on how you found yourself to the spiritualist churches and to the college.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, my story comes with a lot of sadness, actually, because my daughter passed a spirit world and it kind of got me searching.
Speaker: Even though my mum's always been a spiritualist, I was involved in a different religion before leaving my daughter.
Speaker: But I'd left that religion for about four years, so I wasn't looking for another religion.
Speaker: But then when my daughter passed into the spirit world, you know, the turmoil that's going on around me,
Speaker: A medium came to see me, I think she'd only been passed for about two weeks, and the evidence that she gave me was so outstanding that it kind of ignited a little spark within me.
Speaker: And then I was drawn to going to the spiritualist church because I think it was my sister-in-law said when her mum passed she found it of comfort.
Speaker: And I thought it was just somewhere you went and got messages from your loved ones.
Speaker: I didn't even realise it was the religion at that stage.
Speaker: So I kind of got into going to the churches, watching different mediums work and experiencing the experience.
Speaker: I think it was just, I don't know, the love that I was shown and the care from the committee at the church was so wonderful.
Speaker: And the healing part of mediumship.
Speaker: Healing is a very big aspect of spiritualism as well as the mediumship part.
Speaker: And it's actually healing mediumship.
Speaker: So that part is different as well.
Speaker: We can talk about that another time.
Speaker: But the mediumship part, I think just listening to other people get their messages.
Speaker: I wasn't ready for a message myself.
Speaker: I think my heart used to pound in my chest and thought they were coming to me.
Speaker: But I got the comfort from listening to other people receive messages.
Speaker: And then my daughter started seeing spirit objectively and having different experiences.
Speaker: And we started sitting in development circle within the church only after a couple of months, just to see what it is she was really going through, to be honest.
Speaker: and trying to get some understanding what it was she was experiencing and then sitting in a development circle and realizing when the tutor said, well, we're going to make a connection to the spirit world.
Speaker: I'm like, I can't do that.
Speaker: And then she talked me through it.
Speaker: And there I made a connection for the person sitting in front of me.
Speaker: And it kind of started from there that I had to, I just thought it was a bit of a lucky guess at the beginning and then again and again.
Speaker: And then I was drawn to the Arthur Finlay College.
Speaker: I don't even know how...
Speaker: how I was drawn to it.
Speaker: I think I was just on Google and wanted to find out more.
Speaker: And I was like a sponge soaking everything up, to be honest with you.
Speaker: It was something that made complete sense to me.
Speaker: And it was my, it was a real passion that
Speaker: that love and that feeling of the meeting coming to me when I first lost my daughter but it kind of felt so real that I wanted to help other people at the same time and I'd kind of then was I say googling found the author Finlay College my heart really wanted to go there I kept looking and looking and then I had a reading with another medium and um
Speaker: He said to me, well, I want you to go to the Arthur Finlay College.
Speaker: And I'm like, I've been looking at that.
Speaker: And then he said, I want you to go in March.
Speaker: And I said, I've been looking at that course.
Speaker: I want you to go over Simon James.
Speaker: That's the one I've been looking at.
Speaker: So it all become quite real to me.
Speaker: And unfortunately, the course I was looking at was fully booked.
Speaker: And I saw that was the March course.
Speaker: So I booked for the November course.
Speaker: And two weeks before the March course was due, a space become available.
Speaker: And then I was able to go to the college.
Speaker: So it's kind of like meant to be.
Speaker: And I think things happen for a reason.
Speaker: But I think from that time on, I just wanted really to become the best medium that I could become.
Speaker: And that really is my goal is why I love teaching as well, just to improve the standards within our churches and improve the standards of everything that I've learned to be able to share with other people.
Speaker: I kind of went to the college probably three or four.
Speaker: three times a year but there was other courses I would go on I threw myself completely into my development of mediumship and loving every moment of it and I think it really helped with the grieving process of um of losing my daughter as well so yeah it's
Speaker: That's a good story, very quick story, but yes.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: There's so many details in that journey as well, I'm sure.
Speaker: And, you know, I find something very interesting with a lot of my guests that a lot of people who end up in mediumship and who become those sponges, I'm kind of one of those right now, you just want to take in everything.
Speaker: It starts with
Speaker: with sadness a lot of times.
Speaker: It starts with something happening, like a catalyst in your life that is tragic or that, you know, is hurtful, right?
Speaker: And I was surprised by that, but the more I think about it, the more it kind of makes sense, right?
Speaker: I think that a lot of mediums that I've talked to
Speaker: they're healing other people and I think also healing themselves at the same time, which I think is really beautiful.
Speaker: I don't think I realized how important mediumship was or how much gravity mediumship holds before I started really diving into it.
Speaker: So I think that it makes perfect sense that there are
Speaker: churches for this, right?
Speaker: Like it just makes sense.
Speaker: So when I look at the U.S. and I think, well, why are we doing it like this?
Speaker: Do we have too many celebrity mediums and we just want to put them on, you know, our reality TV and we don't really understand the important work that they're doing?
Speaker: But I'd love to hear a little bit about your experience with mediumship and how it's different here in the U.S.,
Speaker: and kind of how the mechanics are different because in the workshop you were talking about how even the way that US mediums ask questions is different.
Speaker: So can we go a little bit into that because it's fascinating to me.
Speaker: It is fascinating and to be honest with you I didn't really know there was a difference until I came to Casadega and because at the college at the Alpha Finlay College I've met some fantastic mediums that come all the way from the US
Speaker: to work at the college and train at the college, I must say, not work.
Speaker: But they come and do their training or they have some of our tutors at the college.
Speaker: They go over to America and they run workshops and teaching.
Speaker: And so when I came to Casadega, I was invited just before COVID and I'd done a demonstration with another medium.
Speaker: And basically what we do in England, or I suppose, and what the Americans that have come to the college have learned is different, is that you get your evidence and then you find your recipient.
Speaker: of the person that you're going to go to.
Speaker: You find them and then you check every piece of evidence to make sure you're with that person.
Speaker: For example, can you take a dad who's passed with a heart attack, who was 53 when he passed, and then you check to make sure they can understand every piece of evidence.
Speaker: Whereas the difference with the American mediums, and obviously I learned when I went to Casadega for the second time, is that they just throw the information out and basically...
Speaker: they don't check anything, the ones that I've seen.
Speaker: So that's a difference.
Speaker: That's a difference.
Speaker: Well, you would say in the US,
Speaker: They continue to just kind of relay the message without stopping, without checking in.
Speaker: And then would you say like at the end, they say, okay, well, who does that match with?
Speaker: Or are they picking it?
Speaker: They're picking a specific person in the crowd.
Speaker: Yeah, they pick a specific person.
Speaker: So they say they will come, I'm coming to that lady there.
Speaker: And then it was just like, I've got your dad.
Speaker: And then a lot of it's about them and what's going on in their life as well, if that makes sense to you.
Speaker: And also what I noticed, which was different when I was over in Casa Daegra and doing readings, is that most people that come for a reading, I would say 75% of people wanted psychic readings.
Speaker: They wanted to be told all about them.
Speaker: They want their future told.
Speaker: I mean, I never tell people's future because I don't feel it's for me to give.
Speaker: Potentially you can pick up things.
Speaker: And that's different, whereas 25% would have wanted to hear evidence from their loved ones.
Speaker: I even saw that just in the workshop that I did with you.
Speaker: And I only could come to one day where I think that there is a much thinner line in the U.S. between like a psychic message and a mediumship message.
Speaker: And that that delineation is sort of muddied.
Speaker: And even when we were doing sort of exercises with each other, you were pointing out, okay, that sounds like a psychic message, not a mediumship message.
Speaker: And we're helping us identify the differences, right?
Speaker: Because what's the saying that every medium is psychic, but not every psychic is a medium?
Speaker: So it makes sense that you would probably get both of those sorts of messages, but being able to identify them and stay on task with just a mediumship reading.
Speaker: it's very difficult because I felt myself doing it in the exercises.
Speaker: It was all mixed in.
Speaker: Like I had a particular exercise I was doing with another person there and I was telling them about the person that was coming to me and then also throwing in like psychic stuff.
Speaker: And I never thought to stop and identify the difference between the two until you pointed it out.
Speaker: So that's interesting.
Speaker: So when you're doing readings, if you get a psychic message,
Speaker: Do you kind of just push it to the side or how does that work?
Speaker: Or do you, do you, have you honed it so much that you're able to just get the mediumship messages?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, in England, I say, I was just going to come, I would say 75% people that come to me for readings want a mediumship reading in England, whereas 25% probably want psychic.
Speaker: So yeah, it's flipped.
Speaker: It's a huge difference actually, because again,
Speaker: I suppose when I first wanted, when I first was looking for readings for myself, when my daughter passed, I wanted to know that she was okay in the spirit.
Speaker: I wanted somebody to give me evidence that she survived this physical death, you see.
Speaker: So I was more honed in on to doing the mediumship readings.
Speaker: That's my passion, is proving that there's life eternal, to give somebody evidence to prove that their loved ones in the spirit world are
Speaker: is the readings that I love to do personally.
Speaker: It's not to say I can't do psyche, but my passion is for mediumship.
Speaker: And even when the spirit world know I'm doing a mediumship reading, they come to me beforehand.
Speaker: There's such an intelligence.
Speaker: And I can get maybe a name or little snippets.
Speaker: I don't get anything major, but I maybe get a little bit of...
Speaker: Today, you know, I've got somebody coming, oh, they're brothers in the spirit because that's who's just said to me, oh, I'm coming to see my sister, for example.
Speaker: So when I was in America working and a lot of people wanting psychic readings, it is a big difference.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, I wonder too, just, just thinking psychologically, what does that say about Americans?
Speaker: Very individualistic, right?
Speaker: Like me, me, me, tell me about me, which is a whole other topic, but I find it fascinating that there's different motivations there.
Speaker: And I also, I wonder too, if part of that is because here in the U S we don't, we don't have a lot of that
Speaker: information or we don't have a lot of places to gather that sort of information.
Speaker: So because we don't understand the differences between the two, that we just, we think this is what it is, right?
Speaker: We go off of what we see on Sabrina the Teenage Witch.
Speaker: That's what we expect.
Speaker: So that also brings me to, since you guys have the Arthur Finley College, which
Speaker: I think it's amazing.
Speaker: I would love to one day.
Speaker: It's a magical place.
Speaker: I can imagine.
Speaker: It's like the mediumship Hogwarts.
Speaker: I mean, that's what I'm picturing in my mind.
Speaker: I mean, that's just... Well, that's what they call it.
Speaker: So you're not far wrong.
Speaker: We call it Hogwarts.
Speaker: Do they really?
Speaker: Do they really?
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Great.
Speaker: So I'm not the only one who thinks that.
Speaker: But how did that college come to be?
Speaker: And what is it?
Speaker: What is it like?
Speaker: How is it structured?
Speaker: Is it like any other college courses?
Speaker: How long do you have to go to be certified?
Speaker: I guess just the basic information for anybody who's listening and might be interested in taking that path.
Speaker: you become their little mascot for a second.
Speaker: Well, again, I'm not up to date on all the history and the dates and everything, but it was given to the Spiritual National Union by Arthur Finlay.
Speaker: Arthur Finlay, he was a, I mean, wrote some amazing books on spiritualism and he betrothed it to the college, to the Spiritual National Union, to
Speaker: make it a college for mediumship or psychic studies.
Speaker: And I can't remember the dates that it was given to them, but... One time ago.
Speaker: We'll have to do some history on that.
Speaker: We'll get to the college in the description here too so people can go and... Yeah, that's it.
Speaker: I mean, it's all online.
Speaker: So again, you can just Google that.
Speaker: But just going back onto the college, it's weekly courses.
Speaker: Now, you don't get certified at the college.
Speaker: That is not how you... It's not for certification.
Speaker: When you do a week at the college, you're not then automatically a medium.
Speaker: The certificates that you do is different because that's through the Spiritual National Union.
Speaker: And you can go, if you're from abroad, for example, from America, if you wanted to get a certificate through the Spiritual National Union, you can go onto the SNUI and do training through that way.
Speaker: So that's... That's kind of like an online sort of thing?
Speaker: Yes, it's an online thing.
Speaker: So that's Spiritual National Union or SNUI, and that's for international students.
Speaker: And there's loads of courses, training...
Speaker: Even you can watch Divine Services, which is what we have in our churches.
Speaker: So you can go on there and it's all there for everybody that's from around the world.
Speaker: But going back to the college, yes, I mean, some people, they think going to a week at the Arthur Finlay College makes them a medium.
Speaker: Well, no, it doesn't.
Speaker: It takes years and years and years of practice with medium.
Speaker: And the practice never actually stops.
Speaker: So you're always working on yourself, working on your mediumship.
Speaker: to become the best that you can be.
Speaker: Right, yeah.
Speaker: And I think that's something as well that I've kind of learned along this journey too is that you can be sort of born or have like a natural inclination for these sorts of things, but it requires a lot of focus and mastery, just like any other art or talent that you have, right?
Speaker: You might have an inclination to be,
Speaker: music right but that doesn't make you a maestro you know because you picked up a violin twice um which i think is it adds credibility to the craft or whatever you want to call it um so maybe i'll be finally a professional medium on like episode 700 or something of the podcast so for the certification that that's outside of the college
Speaker: Is there like a test portion?
Speaker: How do you get those credentials?
Speaker: So I know that this sort of separates the people who are more than likely professional mediums that have really done the work and who are safer.
Speaker: What do they call it?
Speaker: Like not the grief vampires, people who pretend to be mediums and they're just there to try to make money and exploit people.
Speaker: How does that work?
Speaker: How do they become legitimized, I guess?
Speaker: Yeah, again, it's recognised within the spiritualist churches, the certificate that I've done through the SNU.
Speaker: And the way that I'd done it was for a mentorship.
Speaker: It was a two-year mentorship.
Speaker: So it's different.
Speaker: And there were some overseas students that did come over and do the mentorship classes.
Speaker: It was a two-year mentorship, and then you get assessed on your speaking and you're demonstrating, and then you either pass it or you don't pass it.
Speaker: So, again...
Speaker: like you were saying, some people can do so, so many years of becoming a medium and they still might not be good enough, but then others can do a lot less time.
Speaker: So we're either got the natural ability or we work a lot harder at things, don't we?
Speaker: I'm waffling on that bit of it.
Speaker: So yeah, I'd done the mentorship for the CSNU and then I passed that, but it was a two-year course.
Speaker: I put myself
Speaker: into doing and we would go to different churches we would be assessed we'd work hard at practice practice um yeah everything was about the training really and then i after my csnu i went on to do the csnut which is the teaching part so therefore to become as you know as a
Speaker: a certificate of tutor, if you like, is to do the CSNUT, which is after you do the CSNU.
Speaker: And then it can go on to, which I'm working on at the moment, is then you get invited to the college if there's only about five students that get invited to pass the tutor training at the college.
Speaker: So it's a little bit different.
Speaker: So it's all about progress.
Speaker: And then now I'm working towards my diploma.
Speaker: with the Spiritual National Union to become an assistant tutor at the college at the moment.
Speaker: But to become an approved tutor, you then have to have your diploma in DSNUT.
Speaker: So this particular program that you're talking about, earlier you said that some tutors from the college will go to the US or other places to do workshops and teaching.
Speaker: Is this diploma kind of the path to that?
Speaker: So if you get to this point, the college will send you out and you teach on their behalf.
Speaker: I don't know any of the... It's funny you should say, because it's always changing.
Speaker: Everything's always changing because some of the tutors...
Speaker: when they become tutors, they just become tutors, they go through the tutor in scheme.
Speaker: So then it changed to having your CSNU and then becoming a tutor at the college.
Speaker: But then now, you see, they've moved it again that you need a diploma to become a tutor.
Speaker: Each time, everything changes as long as things progress forward, I suppose.
Speaker: The college wants the best tutors that they can have.
Speaker: But really, I suppose how tutors normally get invited is they may do a course and say, for example, American students come together.
Speaker: and they like the course, they like the tutor, they then invite the tutors over to America to say, oh, you know, if we put together like a cinema for you and we put that on, would you come over and work for us?
Speaker: I suppose a little bit how I got over to Casadega was I was working with Steve Adkins,
Speaker: in a one-to-one, we were doing an exercise together.
Speaker: I was at the college, he was at the college.
Speaker: And I said to Steve, where'd you come from?
Speaker: And he said, Casa Dego in Florida.
Speaker: I said, wow, I've always wanted to go there.
Speaker: I've been coming to Florida for...
Speaker: For the best part of 20 years, it was only recently, I suppose, in the last five years, I've heard about Casadega through, I think I was watching a TV program as well.
Speaker: Why have I never been to that place?
Speaker: I've been to Florida so many times and didn't even know it existed.
Speaker: And when Steve said... A little hidden place in the woods.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Interesting.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I grew up like five minutes down the road from it.
Speaker: And it's always just been this little mysterious tiny town in the, in the woods.
Speaker: I read some books about it.
Speaker: There was some mediums that I read their books and their stories, how they lived in Casadega.
Speaker: I really want to go there.
Speaker: And when Steve said he come, he lived in Casadega, no way.
Speaker: I really want to go there.
Speaker: He said, well, I didn't come over them.
Speaker: He said, I'll put it to, you know, we'll get it together, come over.
Speaker: You can do some teaching, readings.
Speaker: And that's where it all started, really, at me being at Cassadega.
Speaker: And I suppose that's when COVID hit.
Speaker: I was due to come over just as COVID hit.
Speaker: And then I had to, I came over and done a demonstration.
Speaker: But the next day I had to fly home.
Speaker: So my eight-day trip was cut to four days.
Speaker: But that's fine.
Speaker: I got to demonstrate in Cassadega.
Speaker: which is why I went over there in the first place.
Speaker: But this is what happens, you see, maybe when Americans or other people from all over the world come to the college and they like the way the tutor teaches, they then invite the tutors back to work in their hometowns or their countries.
Speaker: So that's how it all, that's how the abroad works.
Speaker: That's so interesting.
Speaker: So it's all about connections.
Speaker: And in my head, I'm like, okay, well now I have to set up a big event and invite all of the awesome mediums from the UK.
Speaker: So that's really cool.
Speaker: I mean, I honestly, when I had been toying with the idea of
Speaker: mediumship for a long time.
Speaker: Like I've said in the show before, I've had random experiences and didn't know what to do with them, how to recreate them, how to interact with what was happening.
Speaker: And that's when I went to your workshop and it was hugely inspiring for me.
Speaker: It kind of like started something.
Speaker: So another thing that I see in a lot of my guests and just talking to people is
Speaker: A lot of mediums, they're inspired by other mediums, right?
Speaker: So you had a reading and it made a spark in you.
Speaker: And a lot of my guests have said the same thing.
Speaker: Something sad happens in your life.
Speaker: A medium basically alters the course of your life by blowing your mind and showing you like your loved one is still around.
Speaker: There is, you know, some sort of consciousness after death.
Speaker: And I find that really sad, but also lovely in a way that it's mediums who are bringing other mediums sort of into this world.
Speaker: And I kind of feel like my experience with you and Casadega was definitely a big step towards me like doing this.
Speaker: and trying to learn more.
Speaker: So I think I was, I'm very lucky to be as close to Casadega as I am, because I might never have gone to a workshop like yours or met somebody like you who, you know,
Speaker: really set something up that was super amazing to me, right?
Speaker: I feel like it did alter the course of my life.
Speaker: But there's a lot of people like in the Midwest or in the middle of the country, in the Bible Belt, where there's no spiritualist churches, there's no Casadegas.
Speaker: If there are psychic mediums, they're like in little shops downtown with the neon glowing hand sign, and they're not mentors or anything like that.
Speaker: And I know that going online and trying to find a place to start learning is difficult because I've tried that beforehand.
Speaker: What kind of advice would you give somebody that's in that sort of space?
Speaker: Where would you say that that would be a good starting point for them other than going to the UK to the Arthur Finley College?
Speaker: But that's like best case scenario and that, you know, everybody should do that.
Speaker: But if you can't.
Speaker: I know, and it's really difficult, isn't it?
Speaker: But I totally get your question.
Speaker: I always just would like to just, a bit of word of warning, I suppose, is choose your tutor carefully.
Speaker: Make sure that you see them work.
Speaker: Make sure if you like their mediumship and you find them honest, then they're the right person for you.
Speaker: There's so many people, I think, especially since COVID that are teaching, their standards aren't high enough.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: It's and they, they know that it just makes it possible for so many people to, it got so far.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's so flooded with, and a lot of those people don't even know the difference between a psychic and a medium.
Speaker: And they're just chucking it out as the same thing.
Speaker: And reading people's cards and telling them what they want to hear and everything's like Barnum statements and statements that can fit anybody.
Speaker: It's really sad, isn't it?
Speaker: But I would suppose really is the SNUI is an amazing place to start, I would say.
Speaker: I recommend anybody from abroad because then you will get all those tutors that are on the SNUI.
Speaker: I've been...
Speaker: I suppose most of them have got certificates.
Speaker: They've all been certified or they've all had the, they're all up at a standard, a good standard.
Speaker: And that's where the people need to start is having good standard mediumship.
Speaker: So again, watch your medium work.
Speaker: If you're going to go for training with somebody, see them work, see if you like their works, see if it makes you and you're drawn to them.
Speaker: I suppose there's always a saying, isn't there?
Speaker: When the student is ready, a teacher will appear.
Speaker: Talk to your guides.
Speaker: Your guides are your helpers.
Speaker: They're your best teachers.
Speaker: And ask them to show you the way as well.
Speaker: Put it out there.
Speaker: Go and march.
Speaker: You know, you had it for you.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: So again, talk to your team that work with you.
Speaker: They are your best teachers as well.
Speaker: And ask them to guide you.
Speaker: I'm a firm believer that when you're ready, that the spirit world will open the door.
Speaker: It's up to us to walk through it.
Speaker: But definitely...
Speaker: Make sure that when you... You don't really want to waste time on people that aren't really legitimate or... Yeah, that word, legitimate.
Speaker: You don't really want to waste time on people that are not really...
Speaker: working for spirit and they are because there's a there you're right there are a lot of frauds out there and you find even people going to the college they can they they come to the college for one week and then all of a sudden they go home and they've opened up a mediumship page with mediumship medium so-and-so you're thinking well you've done your first link in your first week that doesn't make you a medium
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Because it takes years.
Speaker: It takes years of dedication, years of practice.
Speaker: And, but again, dedicating your time to somebody that's going to teach you the right way of development.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And I think that the difference that, that I really had to start seeing was yes, there is, and like, it could be a natural talent or yes,
Speaker: you're getting messages or whatever.
Speaker: But it wasn't until I really started looking at whatever messages I was getting and realizing there's a whole art to decoding these messages, to delivering them, to understanding them, to working with spirit, working with spirit guides, how that works,
Speaker: Um, you know, there's so many layers to it, uh, that is super surprising to me, honestly, because I guess I just never really thought about it or looked into it.
Speaker: Um, but, but yeah, I think that there's a lot of pitfalls.
Speaker: There's a lot of pitfalls.
Speaker: Um, and I think a good thing to, to really think about are those red flags, um, and certification, I think is a really, really great place to start.
Speaker: for sure.
Speaker: And as far as mentors and things like that, do you find that there's any difference between in-person or doing like online stuff?
Speaker: I know a lot of stuff has gone online since COVID readings, mentorships, workshops, all of that.
Speaker: Do you feel like, of course they're different in some ways, but do you feel like it's as effective?
Speaker: So if somebody decides I really want to work with this mentor, but it has to be, you know, online,
Speaker: Do you think that that's as valuable as being able to meet somebody, you know, on a weekly or monthly basis in person?
Speaker: Yeah, I kind of feel it has its place.
Speaker: I mean, it's been amazing, to be honest with you.
Speaker: The online mentoring, I mean, I do online mentoring on one-to-ones with people.
Speaker: Even, just to say, when I work with the spirit world over Zoom, the messages and the information from the spirit world
Speaker: is so amazing because he has an intelligence there that the evidence can be just as good on Zoom as it can be if you're in person with somebody.
Speaker: I mean, people like the personal feel.
Speaker: Obviously, they like the feeling of being with somebody on a one-to-one in the same room and you're there as a more of a personal feeling.
Speaker: But I would say that sometimes that online teaching has been really successful.
Speaker: And it has been as long as you choose your tutor correctly.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And don't get sucked into, don't get sucked in, I suppose, to people that aren't really mediums claiming to be mediums.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: They're more sensationalized, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: There's a lot of good mediums in America.
Speaker: Of course there is.
Speaker: And there's a lot of good tutors that don't go to the college.
Speaker: Of course there is.
Speaker: But again, it's choosing that tutor wisely.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: It's so important.
Speaker: And I think it's interesting connecting to what you said earlier about how sometimes you start getting information about a reading before you're even with the person who's sitting with you.
Speaker: So it makes sense that if spirit or somebody is coming to you before you've even met the person who's sitting with you,
Speaker: Why couldn't it go through Zoom, right?
Speaker: Because it's about the intention.
Speaker: It's about, you know, about not putting limits on spirit, I guess.
Speaker: I feel like there's like a knee-jerk reaction to think that like, well, it can't work like this.
Speaker: Like it's not going to be the same over Zoom or whatever.
Speaker: But
Speaker: um just not putting those limitations on it like why why wouldn't spirit be able to work with zoom if i can work with zoom as a regular human then spirit can work with zoom too and it's interesting really because again on a psychic level this is my own personal feeling i don't feel
Speaker: Because when you're working on a psychic, you really tune into that person's aura around them or your feet tune into the soul aspect of that person.
Speaker: Now, that's a lot harder on Zoom.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: The spirit world, it's a lot easier in my own understanding.
Speaker: Interesting.
Speaker: Because when you're working on Zoom in a psychic way, you're really going on that voice vibration.
Speaker: Whereas if you've got somebody in front of you, you're then going into their energy.
Speaker: You can't really go into an energy so much, though, when you're on Zoom.
Speaker: I didn't even think of that.
Speaker: Mediumship, you're working with the spirit world.
Speaker: So, again, that intelligence is going to be there.
Speaker: It's there.
Speaker: It's around us all the time, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's very interesting.
Speaker: You know, I never even thought about it like that, that the psychic –
Speaker: psychic messages are really off of energy and even our voices sound different on Zoom, right?
Speaker: Of course, it has to go through all of these processes to
Speaker: go across the world to you so you can hear me.
Speaker: But that's, I think maybe then would it make sense that if you are doing online mediumship stuff, it might actually help you make the difference between psychic messages and mediumship messages.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: There is that kind of a mix about it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, awesome.
Speaker: I would definitely like to just take like a minute or two and talk about what it is that you're doing, what you have coming up.
Speaker: I think it's really important that if a listener has, you know, heard our conversation or is playing our conversation and they feel...
Speaker: drawn to work with you in whatever way for readings for mentorship for workshops um which of course I'll link everything in the description but can you tell us a little bit about what you have going on um the near future yeah in the future I mean at the moment I'm working quite quite hard and busy on my diploma so there's lots of essays writing that I'm that's going on plus I've just got back from um America this year Switzerland um
Speaker: even Belfast, which is Northern Ireland.
Speaker: So I've been quite busy, but I'm not complaining.
Speaker: Oh, busy's good.
Speaker: Busy's good.
Speaker: So I'm really excited about everything that I'm doing, but also I'm doing my...
Speaker: tutoring at the college as an assistant tutor.
Speaker: So because I'm an assistant tutor, I'm doing my weeks there as well.
Speaker: So I haven't got a lot going on at the moment.
Speaker: I have got a course coming up, which I've put aside six Saturdays and that's one mediumship development sessions, but that's fully booked now.
Speaker: So I'm quite happy that I, that one's fully booked, but I will be putting more on in the future.
Speaker: I do workshops online and, um,
Speaker: Also, I do development circle online as well.
Speaker: So I do on your socials.
Speaker: Do you like post when you're going to have these sorts of workshops when you're so then the listeners can follow you and kind of get updates on when you're going to be doing these things when you're available so they can get into those workshops before they fill up.
Speaker: I definitely recommend it.
Speaker: They do fill up quite quickly.
Speaker: So that's good.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: I was just going to say, what else am I doing?
Speaker: But I do still do the one-to-one mentorings.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Yeah, so that's on my website.
Speaker: So the one-to-one mentorings, there's information there.
Speaker: And they're very successful.
Speaker: People that don't really want to sit in, or they don't really want to sit in a group at the start of their development because they feel quite intimidated maybe being in a group setting.
Speaker: And they want that one-to-one personal engagement.
Speaker: experience that that works quite well too so they're still ongoing and I love doing those yeah and I think that those are a good opportunity as well to
Speaker: individualize like what you're learning.
Speaker: Cause I feel like when you're, everybody's in a different area of their journey or they need help on certain things.
Speaker: Um, so I feel like the one-on-one stuff is nice because you get to really focus on what it is that you want to do or what you're having trouble with.
Speaker: Um, so that's something that I've heard a lot too, that, that having, um,
Speaker: That mentor that's really kind of tailoring things to you is super helpful as well.
Speaker: And that's it.
Speaker: And also, like you just said, they are designed for everybody's needs are individual.
Speaker: So the sessions are designed individually for that person's specific needs and look out that they need help in.
Speaker: Awesome.
Speaker: Perfect.
Speaker: Well, I really appreciate you coming on the show today, taking time out of your schedule to talk to me.
Speaker: I find it fascinating, the differences between, you know, over the pond, what it's like over there.
Speaker: Hopefully one day I can go in and experience it myself along with some of my listeners.
Speaker: Or you will.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker: This has been the Psychic Apprentice and all of the information from this episode will be in the description box below.
Speaker: You could definitely reach out to me or Pamela at any time with any questions or follow up that you have and appreciate your time.
Speaker: Thank you.
Speaker: It's been a pleasure.
Speaker: Take care.
Speaker: You too.
Speaker: Bye-bye.
Speaker: Bye-bye.
