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044 - How to Get Coach Buy In for Goalie Development and Fear Setting
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Show notes are available at https://thediygoalie.com/pod044
This week we answer a listener question about how to get head and assistant coaches to buy in for goalie development on your team. We also talk about a Tim Ferriss concept called fear setting and how it can apply to goaltending.
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Introduction to DIY Goalie Podcast
00:00:06
Speaker
Welcome to the DIY goalie podcast where hosts and goalie coaches Nathan Park and Connor Monday share their insights on how to become a better goalie.
00:00:20
Speaker
Welcome back goalies to another edition of the DIY goalie podcast with your hosts Connor Monday and Nathan Park.
Engagement and Listener Feedback
00:00:29
Speaker
And, uh, today we are super excited because we do kind of look at the analytics and stuff for the podcast, but, uh, sometimes it's like, oh are these just a bunch of bots or people just clicking start for five seconds and then leaving. So.
00:00:47
Speaker
We're excited because in the span of probably two days, we had Hiroki Wakabayashi reach out from episode 16 and said that there was somebody that reached out to him who had heard our episode, our interview with him and picked his brain a little bit on how, uh, how to implement a development plan for their minor hockey program in their small Canadian town.
00:01:16
Speaker
And so he reached out and said, thanks for that. And so that's kind of cool. And then the other thing is, is that we did get a listener question that we are going to tackle today. So we appreciate the fact that you guys are out there and actually listening to us and, uh, and, you know, taking some of this stuff to heart and and acting on it and engaging it.
00:01:40
Speaker
Um, so that makes us, uh, pretty excited. So thanks to all you guys listening and, um, you know, taking, uh, taking what we say and implementing it to help make the world a better place for goalies. So thanks for that. Um, Connor, how are you doing? And then you can maybe, uh, segue us into the listener question that we will tackle today.
00:02:07
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. um yeah First off, just a massive thank you to all of our listeners and subscribers and everybody who follows us on our social media platforms. it's ah it's you know You don't really think about it during the time, right? like we We do this for for for fun. And you know kind of we're just another voice in the in the goalie community. And the fact that there are people out there that are listening to what we have to say and listening to the to the banter between us, even though it goes absolutely nowhere half the time, um it is pretty cool to see. And then like when you take a step back and you think about it and you're like, wow, they're actually there are actual real life people that are out there listening to us and reaching out to Hiroki and then like this listener question that we have here for a second, it's ah
00:02:57
Speaker
It's pretty wild to to to think about. Otherwise, that other than that, I'm doing fine. I am very tired this morning because as a recordingist, we had our 17 or 17 or 715 session out in our draw soon in the Greater Edmonton area. So that was fun. And and yeah, it's going to be a good week. I'm very, very, very, very excited for all that. Nathan, I know that your son had minor hockey this morning and so We've been up for a bit and we're still ah we're still grinding away here, but it's been a fun time. um Leading into kind of my segment for today, it's kind of been taken over ah today. We do have our very first listener questions.
Improving Goalie Development
00:03:41
Speaker
So we want to give a shout out to Greg Marion. I apologize if I maybe butchered your name there, but he submits a really interesting question. And I think it's one that you and I have had conversations about
00:03:54
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in the car, after practices, on the phone, um on date night. um and um it's it's it's It's one that I think we've talked about in previous episodes, but I like i like the way that that that Greg has has worded it here. So his question is,
00:04:17
Speaker
Our minor needs to focus on goaltender development. I'm pretty sure that this is supposed to say our minor hockey association needs to focus on goaltender development. And one of the biggest hurdles is getting head coaches to buy into proper goaltending development at practice, coupled with having volunteered coaches to work with the goalies during said practice.
00:04:38
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What would you do to get the coaches on board and increase volunteers to act as goalie coaches? So Nathan, I'll ah i'll i'll let i'll let you i'll let you i answer this question herere first and I'll submit my thoughts afterwards.
00:04:52
Speaker
Yeah. So this is probably the number one struggle. And I know we talked about it when we were talking about the hockey Canada, um, kind of issues, I guess, when it comes to goalie development. Um, I think the biggest change that needs to happen is at the coach level, right? Um, because we need more people that have at least a base knowledge of goal tending that are around these goalies all the time, like in practices and all that stuff, because there's not enough people that are super knowledgeable about goal tending that we can be out with every single team, unfortunately. So um the shift does need to happen at the coach level. And we've talked about that. And I think
00:05:46
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Basically the best way to try and get some buy-in is to so just start the conversation. Just kind of put it out there.
00:05:58
Speaker
Um, ask to maybe have a meeting with the coaches or, you know, um, whoever can be involved in to help. And sometimes you can even go a little higher up in the organization and and say, Hey, I've got access to X resource that can help our coaches throughout the organization kind of learn a little bit more about goaltending and, um,
00:06:22
Speaker
It is on my off season hit list to put together that coaching like course that we talked about a couple months ago that I gave myself a year deadline. Um, but what we do have, and we'll link this up in the show notes, but we do have that, uh,
00:06:40
Speaker
that handbook, that coach's handbook that I took the price off of it so you can get it totally for free. Um, and basically it's just that starting point of having a conversation and being able to give coaches the knowledge. Cause the number one thing or problem I guess is these coaches have no clue when it comes to goaltending. So being able to have a conversation and say, Hey,
00:07:09
Speaker
You guys know so much about the players. You guys develop these players all the time, but the problem is, is our goalies aren't getting the development. And we put so much pressure on the goalies to basically win a game for us or lose a game for us, right? It's one of the most important positions in sport and we don't have enough development around it. So come at it from that angle and just be like, you know, we want Obviously for the team to succeed, we want everybody to develop and that should be everybody's goal when it comes to minor hockey is development and fun. And you can't do that if you're picking and choosing positions or players or whatever on the team to get, get that development. So if you can have that conversation to be like, we need our goalies, they're an important part of our team. We need them to be getting proper development.
00:08:08
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And if you come at them with, Hey, here's a little handbook I found online from, you know, this podcast that I listened to, it outlines how you can run a goalie friendly practice. It outlines some of the basics of goaltending to look for. Um, would you just be willing to read through this and just think about it and start implementing some of these things? Um, and then the other thing is too, is when it comes to getting more volunteers on board.
00:08:38
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Honestly, and this is when it probably already happening, but honestly, start with the goalie parents first. Cause they're probably the ones most willing to go out and help improve.
00:08:51
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the goalie situation because it's in their best interest. Like everybody wants their kids to get better. You can also maybe talk to your goalie director and your association and ask if they have any resources or any tips or anything like that. And if they can facilitate some of these conversations to be able to be like, Hey,
00:09:11
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Can we distribute this handbook to our, uh, to our coaches or, Hey, can we have a ah presentation about what we can do, um, for our goalies with all the coaches in our organization or whatever the case is? Right. But just starting that conversation and putting it out there that, Hey, I found some resources, whether they're YouTube videos or our handbook or whatever, some articles you find.
00:09:39
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Just be like, I found these resources that are great for head coaches to get a start when it comes to being able to help their goalies. Can we start this conversation? Can we start implementing some of this stuff and kind of go from there? Right. And unfortunately at the end of the day, if you don't get buy-in, it is like, we can't really control what other people do. And that's the unfortunate part of it. But.
00:10:08
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you don't know that until you start the conversation. And if you really don't get any buy-in, you can maybe escalate, talk to the organization, like some of the higher ups and go from there. And then if you're really getting pushback or anything like that, unfortunately there's not much we can do, but you can at least say we tried and and all of that stuff. But I think for the most part, the majority of personnel out there are interested in giving a better environment for their goalies to develop. So I think overall you should have a pretty good response to it. If you come at it like, Hey, I think we need a little bit more. Here's some resources that I found. Can we try and implement some of this stuff? So.
00:10:55
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Yeah. Um, I have a few thoughts running in my head, so I'm going to try and control these as best as I can. Um, I suppose like the first thing to do now is there's no reason not to learn about goaltending.
00:11:19
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Yeah. And what I mean by that is, is like, again, like, like if you're going to be the head, like I did a, when I did my solo episode about running a goalie friendly practice, the biggest point that I was reinforcing over and over and over again, I said, it's the head coach's job to develop all aspects of the team. The forwards, the defense, the power play, the penalty kill and the goaltending.
00:11:39
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Um, so there's no, so it's kind of not an excuse for me at this point for a head coach to come up to me and say, I don't know anything about goaltending. Okay. Fair. But have you actually done any research? Have you gone online and just looked up goalie drills? Have you gone to the DIY goalie and and downloaded the free handbook?
00:12:05
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Um, there's, there are a lot of resources online and so there's no reason for head coaches to say nowadays, I don't know anything about goaltending. Cause if you just take a few moments to just look online, you'll, you'll have the basics in maybe a week or so. I don't know. I'm just speculating. speculated um But again, with that being said, like Nathan was right, um not all coaches are going to be like that, which is unfortunate. And not all coaches are really going to care, which is also the unfortunate part. Again, we can't control what the head coaches do, essentially. So getting them to buy into proper goaltending development, yeah, would have to start at the goalie parents because there's the ones that are paying them for their kids to be on the team and paying for the development and everything of the sort.
00:13:00
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But I will also, so i and in my perfect world, on top of all the coaches um buying into to the program or at least taking the time to look into goal tending development.
00:13:15
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I would say, like for me, I would say it's got to be on the organization itself. They put out like the the goalie weekly clinics on where they hire the the good the goalie company to do whatever it is that they're doing. But there's no other than, otherwise, like there's no actual goaltending resources beyond that. right um Other than hockey Canada, hockey Alberta, which is is a problem in itself. I'm basing this question as if it was from Alberta and Canada.
00:13:43
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um but in terms of getting an increase in volunteer coaches again my in my perfect world where every coach or at least there has there has to be at least one coach on the team that is goaltender that ah that has the goaltending certificate every like same thing as here in edmonton where there's the respect in sport where i would say it almost has to be something similar is that there has to be there always has to be one designated coach on the team that is willing to take the the level one goal tender development course that maybe the provincial association puts on. And that would be the guy that would be responsible for for the goal tending development on the team. um Again, goalie pants is always a great start because 90 percent and 99 percent of the time that parent has played goal themselves.
00:14:40
Speaker
mind you probably back in the eighties or nineties, but still, um, but it's, that's, that's where you're going to get a lot of your, your volunteers from. I was thinking about it as well as that, you know, like if you, like, if you have lately, I would say like even getting goalies from within the organization that are playing at the, the u eighteen you you 21, you whatever level.
00:15:06
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and great volunteer opportunities for those young kids to come out and teach the next generation.
00:15:15
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So I guess like, yeah, so like that would be kind of my answer to this question is like, in order to get more coaches on board and increase volunteers is that like I would say it has to be on the association to almost mandate um having one designated coach per team to be, to, to have, to, to take the, the level one goaltending curriculum, one level one goaltending course or whatever it is that you want to call it. Again, like, like I said, like there's no reason for there, for somebody to, there's no, there's no reason for coaches to say nowadays, oh, I don't know anything about goaltending.
00:15:58
Speaker
Cause there are a thousand resources out there. There are coaches such as Nathan and myself that are out there that are always willing to to share that knowledge. It's just nobody's, nobody from that side of things is willing to, to start the conversation. So it has to start somewhere. And maybe that is with the goalie parents or somebody that is advocating for the goal is on your, on your team. Yeah. Well, and that's, that's the thing. That's why we're getting this question is because the associations aren't doing this, whether it's the local, the provincial, the national, at least here in Canada or in Alberta or whatever. Um, I know it could very well be different for you guys listening in the States could be very well different for you guys listening over in Sweden. But, um, when it comes to us specifically, cause we can talk, um, on our personal experience with Canadian associations and
00:16:57
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that that's a bigger issue in itself. I mean, we had a whole episode on it and probably have four more on it, but so and when you guys, so when you guys are trying to take the onus on yourself, maybe it is time to start some sort of movement or petition or whatever you want to call it, where maybe this is something that we need to start raising as a group, as a community, um, to some of these higher level organizations to push for better, you know, development, better resources, better coach resources, right? Like, cause I'm fully on board with you that the biggest change is going to happen at the coaching level because you can teach a coach.
00:17:50
Speaker
even if they've never played goalie, you can teach a coach to look for goalies having their hands in front and you can teach a coach to look for goalies tracking a puck. And honestly, if one coach per team knows those two things, that would go an insanely far way to increase our goalies development. Just those two things alone. And those are easy enough that anyone with a little bit of kind of training can pick up really easily, especially at the younger levels, because it's really easy to see a 10 year old if they're tracking the puck or not, or if they're making their saves in front of their body or not. It's super easy. Um, so to me, like, it's just the distribution thing.
00:18:43
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And not only a distribution thing, but almost a, a forcing thing, like not that that and sounds right, but telling the, the coaches or the teams or organizations or whatever, that this is a mandate. You need to take this. They do that. Like you said, with the respect in sport, that's a mandate. So why can't you add one more half hour video course?
00:19:11
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Cause that's really all it'd be is half an hour, maybe an hour. If you want to also add things like how to run a goalie friendly practice and blah, blah, blah. But it to me, it's maybe that's, maybe that's the answer is maybe we need to band together, a bunch of people, a big community and sign a petition and go storm the hockey Alberta doorsteps or door steps and just be like, Hey, we're here. We're picketing. We're.
00:19:39
Speaker
We want more goalie development. If this, if there's ever a time for another trucker convoy, this would be. Yeah. Everybody getting their trucks and, and goalie pads trucks and goalie pads. Let's go. But, um, yeah, in all seriousness, I think, you know, for what you can do as a goalie parent, that's unhappy with their situation, start the conversation for your specific you know, team, your specific coaching staff. And you can also offer to be the volunteer to start. And the other thing is, is if you're really unhappy with how your organization is doing things, maybe you can put your, your name and in the ring for being the goalie director for your organization, and then you can start really making some positive change. Now, yes, you still have to go through the board of your organization.
00:20:32
Speaker
But we are slowly trending in the right direction with goalie development. So most people on these boards now are a little bit more on board with these things. So, so you know, and you might have to take a little bit more onus on yourself to be the change you want to see, which I mean, shouldn't have to be that way. But that might be the starting point, right? Is maybe I'm the goalie director now and this is the changes I want to make.
00:21:00
Speaker
And it might take a couple of years to really get full buy-in and you can go small steps at a time, not ideal, but you know, it is what it is. Right. But I think it all starts with the conversation. So sit your coaches down, sit your organization down, your goalie directors or whatever, and say, Hey, here's some resources. Here's some things I'd like to see differently because our goalies are part of the team too. And they're a very important part of the team.
00:21:28
Speaker
So they need to be getting the proper development. Yeah, um and we could do like a whole hour on this. Excuse me. um I think.
Managing Mental Challenges in Goaltending
00:21:40
Speaker
Yeah, it's I don't know. It's it's been something that's been around since Nathan and I were playing. And I think now with there being such a goaltending shortage,
00:21:54
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in North America, specifically in Canada, now they're starting to become that recognition of that goaltenders have been left to the wolves for for so long that the populace has dwindled to almost nothing.
00:22:11
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um
00:22:13
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Yeah. I mean, they, you kind of almost have to be that parent in a sense where you kind of almost have to not condoning it, but you kind of almost have to make a, make a little bit of a stink about, you know, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
00:22:30
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. you know i be yeah You kind of have to be that guy you know in order to to push for that change. um there's That's kind of the the gist of it right there. um So Greg, i like I hope that kind of answers your question. um Thank you very much for submitting. If you want to submit a question to the to to to the podcast, for Greg gets the the on the the the honorary gold star. um He gets the honorary first star, and that'll also now be in the trivia the trivia questions.
00:23:07
Speaker
Who was the first, uh, who was the first, uh, DIY goalie podcast listener. But, uh, if you want to submit a question to us, you can reach out to us. info i question ah You can reach out to us at info at the DIY goalie.com, or you can hold it over, head over to the, uh, to the DIY goalie.com there. We do have a forum set up for, for listeners to, uh, to submit questions. Nathan, your subject. So. Yeah. So I.
00:23:35
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wanted to touch on something that's not necessarily goalie related but I think it and like it can be translated to goaltending. For those of you that might not know this is kind of a concept from Tim Ferriss and Tim Ferriss is kind of like a high end entrepreneur influencer. He wrote the four hour work week, which was what he's probably most famous for, but he has a bunch of other stuff like books and courses. And I think he's got a podcast too and all that. But, uh, one of the things that.
00:24:14
Speaker
he promotes, I guess, or one of his concepts is what he calls fear setting. So almost similar to goal setting, but it's, it's using kind of, you know, the worst case scenario to try and get over your fears about something. So he relates it more so to business, like getting over the fear of, you know, quitting your job when you're diving into your business, blah, blah, blah, stuff like that. Um, but I think it applies.
00:24:44
Speaker
well to goaltending too, because a lot of times when we are getting ready for a game or anything like that, nerves come into play. And because the game's so mental, like the mental part of the game, is such a big aspect of the game, um, it can be make or break. So if we are not confident, if we are second guessing ourselves, doubting ourselves, anything like that.
00:25:11
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that could derail us real quick. And kind of like Luke Lush was saying a couple episodes ago about, you know, the drop in the bucket, right? Like every hour that he's worked on goaltending is another drop in his goaltending bucket. And day to day, how full that bucket is, is pretty much the exact same. We haven't forgotten how to play goal. We haven't forgotten how to stop the puck.
00:25:39
Speaker
But the big difference usually is, is our mindset and how we're approaching the game mentally, right? So I wanted to bring this concept of fear setting over to the goalie side of things. And I think it can really help to calm some nerves and to really shift that mindset away from the negative thoughts. Um, so basically the concept is, is that what you're worried about write down the worst case scenario. So basically before a game, for example, you can write down the worst case scenario as being, I don't know, I let in four goals on the first four shots and I get pulled or whatever. Right. Cause normally a lot of times that's kind of where goalies are struggling.
00:26:30
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and um, with the mental side of things is they're worried about letting somebody down, right? They're worried about letting in a bunch of goals, getting pulled, and then, you know, their coach is disappointed in them. Their mom or dad's disappointed in them. They're disappointed in themselves, right? But if you take that situation and you say, okay, so if I do let in four of the first four shots, what's the worst possible outcome?
00:26:58
Speaker
Okay. Well, worst possible outcome, you're probably getting pulled. You're going to the bench more often than not. Most of our situations are where we're there the next day. We're getting to live another day. We're getting to go to practice the next day or then game the next day or whatever the case is. So realistically, was it that bad?
00:27:23
Speaker
I mean, that's, so that's kind of the premise of this exercise is to sit down and be like, okay, what am I scared of? What's the worst case scenario? And then you can kind of really look at it and be like, okay, you know what? That's really not that bad. Like, you know, I'm not dying, right? Or I'm not like, you know, that that's not going to be the last. Holy wow.
00:27:50
Speaker
Well, I know, right. But, you know, like I'm also not losing my spot on this team because of this one game or whatever the case is. Right. I mean, as Oilers fans, they go back to Mikko Koskin and a couple of years ago and he let in four shots on the first or four goals on the first four shots against Vancouver. He still played another like year and a half for the Oilers. And, you know, as much as he gets a lot of flack from Oilers fans, he did have decent ish numbers through his career with the Oilers. Right. So, um,
00:28:20
Speaker
When you really sit back and you really think about what you're actually worried about, a lot of times it's like, Oh, why am I that? Why am I this nervous or this worried about what's going to happen? Right. And so I challenge you guys to have that exercise a little bit and to be like, okay, do I need to be as worried as I actually am for my game? Cause honestly you don't. And.
00:28:49
Speaker
Again, you, you haven't forgotten how to stop a puck. So get out of your own head and just go and do it. So that's kind of, uh, that's kind of what I have for that.
00:29:04
Speaker
Yeah, that's a it's it's an interesting concept and again, I think about kind of almost in a way back to Pete Fry with the um What was it like the goalie career path plan yeah the map the map out my career Yeah, exactly um And so I think Subsequently to that would have to be kind of the concept that you're bringing up right when it comes to well if I don't i my path is is that I want to start in Edmonton minor hockey and then I want to go and play with Southside Athletic Club and then I want to be able to get drafted by the Edmonton oil kings and then go on to play for the Edmonton orders or whatever.
00:29:48
Speaker
um kind of almost in a way like you need backup plans for your backup plans, right? So if I will, what if I don't make AA? What if I don't make the AAA team and my my my first go around? Okay, well then what's the next step? you know well What if I don't get drafted by the Edmonton Oil Kings in the WHL? Okay, well then you still have options for the AJHL or playing in any of the other junior leagues within the country of Canada.
00:30:17
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um So in terms of in terms of fear setting, yeah, so like, hey, you're going up in in a big game, it's playoff championship game.
00:30:29
Speaker
what are the worst possible scenarios and are you prepared for them essentially, right? So it's it's it's an interesting concept, something that I might have to look into after this pod.
00:30:47
Speaker
But I just that's that's like that's like the first thing that I think it was like I'd take it back to Pete Fry's goalie map And just kind of having backup plans for your backup plans and i'm just looking at the grand scheme of things I'm not looking at like one game at a time, right? So Yeah, and just building off of that because that's another part of the tim ferris like fear setting thing is that uh it it also offers you an opportunity to plan for that worst case scenario, right? So basically, you can write down like this is what I'm worried about, this is the worst case scenario, but you can take that a step further at that point and be like, okay, so if this actually does happen,
00:31:36
Speaker
what's my reaction? What do I do? And you can lay out whatever you need to lay out, like a reset routine, like, okay, what can I do to mentally get myself back into the right mindset? What can I do at practice to start, you know, just honing back in on the fundamentals that are so key to my game, right? Like the tracking, the save execution, uh, the skating, all of that stuff. Right. So not only do we usually. Kind of like when we write down this worst case scenario, not only do we usually be like, Oh, you know what? It's actually not that bad. I'm, I shouldn't be that worried about it, but it also offers you an opportunity to look at it and be like, okay,
00:32:21
Speaker
Well, if it does happen, if the worst case scenario does happen, what is my plan and how can I deal with it and all that stuff, right? Because 98% of the time the worst case scenario doesn't happen, probably even more than that, right?
00:32:39
Speaker
But the odd time it does, and it just offers you an opportunity to prepare for it better and help you kind of rebound a little bit better, right? So if you do have a terrible game, like you play your worst game of your career, everybody's going to do that at one point. So if that happens, what do you do? What do you need to do to get back in the right state of mind and get back to stopping the puck like you know how, because The longer you drag out that slump, and we've kind of talked about this before, but the longer you drag that out, the kind of worse it can get. So if you can have a plan to bounce back a little quicker, um then it's just business as usual and you can kind of carry on. So that's kind of the two.
00:33:26
Speaker
I guess, main reasons why I think this is a good exercise for goalies to do at some point. Um, especially if you're coming up to something you're really worried and nervous about, I think it kind of just helps put things into perspective. Cause a lot of times, and this goes with life in general and goaltending, but a lot of times we tend to, you know, over amplify the actual issues, right? Like.
00:33:51
Speaker
In the end of the day, if you lose the playoff championship, it sucks, but it really is, isn't the end of the world. Things go on. You're still going to be playing hockey, all that stuff. Right. So you just gotta to put things into perspective and and kind of be able to, you know, go from there, have a little bit of a plan and, uh, and just don't worry about it. It's not as big of a deal as you think it is. Don't worry about it.
00:34:20
Speaker
There was a, I was listening to an interview with with ah with a podcast of one of my one of my buddies that I was doing. And the coach that they had interviewed um kind of just to reiterate your point there is that realistically at the end of the day, if you lose six nothing and you got pulled on the first three shots or whatever,
00:34:48
Speaker
or the types of goals that you gave in were just really, really bad goals. Nobody's going to remember in like three days. They're going to move on. The team's going to move on. You're still going to have to respond on the team. As long as you know, as the athlete, it's a weekend that you cannot have another game like that. So you have to do your adjustments to get better, to prevent what happened in that game to not happen again essentially and so kind of almost in a way like even even when you're playing the game it's like goalies kind of have to have short-term memories right you give up a bad goal it should have been an easy stick save and it ended ended up going right through your five hole because your stick was out of position
00:35:33
Speaker
Okay. You learn from it. You knew that, you know, that you need to have your stick in the next position, move on to the next shot. You have to focus on that next step forward, moving on to that next shot. And even then beyond that, moving on to the next game, beyond that, moving on to the next team and and then the in the next season, whatever else, right? So yeah, just goalies just have to have short term memories.
00:35:59
Speaker
Right. And so like you were saying, just we do tend to, and I think that's kind of the fault of goaltending at the same time as we tend to over amplify things. We intend to over examine everything. Sometimes a good shot is just a good shot. Sometimes a bad save is just a bad save.
00:36:16
Speaker
as long as you recognize that, yeah, it was a good shot. And then you do your do your best to to to try and stop that shot next time, however however you can. Or yeah, I gave up a bad goal. Did everything that I thought I did right. Obviously, I didn't. We move on to the next one, and we and we and we leave it at that. Maybe with a little bit of um examination in there somewhere, but beyond that, it's It is what it is. You move on. You you move on to net to the to the next step. You move on next shot and you and you go at it from there. Yeah. So the last point I want to make about this is, you know, I guess going beyond just the one game. So if you do get to a situation where maybe you've been struggling for a while and say you do lose a spot on a team that you
00:37:07
Speaker
really want to be on or whatever the case is right and maybe that is your worst case scenario where you lose the spot that you have and it does happen especially at the higher levels right not so much at minor hockey but when you start getting into like the junior and semi pro and college and whatever that is a real legitimate possibility right that is a thing so Again, being able to plan ahead of time with that fear setting and just say, okay, if this does happen, my worst case scenario is I lose my spot on this team. What's my plan to try and get back? Right? I mean, cause it's happened to a lot of goalies, a lot of athletes, a lot of players where you actually get knocked down a level or two or whatever, while you're trying to.
00:37:57
Speaker
you know, find your footing at at a step up or whatever it is, right? And you just got to do what you can to improve yourself, learn from those mistakes and get into a better, a better state of mind, work on the things you need to do so you can get back to that level you were at. Cause just as a personal example, and I've said this before, but my 17 year old year junior A,
00:38:24
Speaker
was not a good year. I did not have good numbers. I did not play very well. I got traded from that team and I was still at the same level, but I basically lost my spot on the team I was on. But I used that opportunity to you know implement the things I had learned before the year before and you know start carving out a piece of my pie, I guess, and in that league and ended up having three solid seasons after my first year. And and yeah, so that's another thing too, right? is
00:39:00
Speaker
You can also map out like a longer kind of worst case scenario. And again, when you really look at it, it's like, okay, you know what, this isn't actually that bad. And now I can kind of plan for, you know, having a fallback and giving yourself like a development plan, like a personal development plan to get back on track and to start again, kind of getting up the ranks, right. And after you've been knocked down a little bit. So.
00:39:28
Speaker
The end of the day, it's not as bad as we think it is. You guys will be okay.
Maintaining Fun in Hockey
00:39:34
Speaker
Don't be so nervous. Have fun with it. That's the big thing. Hockey's for fun. Have some fun with it. Enjoy the moment. Relish what you're doing and just run with it. Speaking of hockey, having fun.
00:39:51
Speaker
And I'm kind of surprising this on you. And I don't mean to, but I was thinking about it and I did want to address it. Um, I wanted to talk briefly about before we were done with the same one. Did we kind of milk milk? Yeah. Unless you got anything else to.
00:40:06
Speaker
no i got No, I got nothing else for that. Like I said, it's probably going to be something that I might have to get you to send me a link for and I'll have to look into it after this podcast. um But there is one thing that I want to bring up quickly before we sign off for the day because I think it's important and I think having a voice in the goalie community gives us an opportunity to talk about it. um I'm not going to name drop anything.
Addressing Bullying in Hockey Culture
00:40:29
Speaker
i'm not goingnna im i'm going to try to be respectful of the situation here, but there was an incident recently um out in out in Ontario involving a minor hockey team and the goalie thats that was on that minor hockey team. um Long story short is that the players ended up having a group chat and the name of the group chat was
00:40:54
Speaker
less than friendly. And then the the the content within that group chat was also less than less than stellar. um
00:41:04
Speaker
This is a form of bullying, this is a form of abuse, and that the fact that the minor hockey organization failed to do anything, the local police had failed to do anything, the head coaches had failed to do anything, and the parents of these individuals had failed to do anything, still speaks volumes of kind of where hockey culture is at in in in this in this and this in this country, essentially.
00:41:28
Speaker
So, thankfully, that goalie did manage to get out of this situation and is now on a better team. And I think for him, best case scenario, for his own mental health and for his own safety, as well as for that minor hockey organization really needs to take a step back and go, what happened?
00:41:52
Speaker
how can we be better, especially since there's still the the overhanging thread of the 2018 World Juniors. I'm not saying it's up to that effect, but still a the fact that this has all been happening back to back to back with the Kyle Beatts situation in Chicago, the Hockey Canada 2018 World Juniors scandal, that's going to be set for trial in later this year. um And then now this is just another one of another examples of To be quite frank, the type of BS that still is happening in, in, in the sport. I love this sport and I want everybody to to do well ah at it, but for what happened to that young man, not okay by all accounts and.
00:42:39
Speaker
Shame on the organization. Shame on the shame on the kids for for doing that. It's not funny by any means. They're not being funny and uh, so Really needs a hard look there. So I just to that individual if they do ever happen to be listening. Um We hear at the diy goalie and subsequently true north goaltending along with the rest of the goal union do stand with you and we're glad that you are on a uh On a better team and and in a in a and in a better place now So I just I just wanted to get that out there before we kind of sign off for the day Yeah, i am the hockey community can do so many wonderful things and yet things like this still happen. I do think overall the general culture has gotten better but there's still a long way to go and
00:43:33
Speaker
I think a lot of the problem in this kind of stems, like this kind of goes a little outside of hockey as well. But it seems like there's just such a lack of accountability when it comes to a lot of things these days. Like if you think about it, like in school, in hockey, not with this situation, but in other situations, like A lot of these quote unquote people in power, you know, you think of like teachers, principals, coaches, whatever. A lot of them don't really have the power to really implement any discipline anymore. And obviously I'm not saying like we need to go back to hitting kids knuckles with rulers or anything like that. But you know, like, but there's still, I don't know, it almost seems like if there's no discipline or accountability at home,
00:44:31
Speaker
these kids can't get it anywhere else, right? And I don't know. I don't want to get on a whole rant here, but no it's just, it's just one of those things that, you know, we did talk about it a couple of episodes ago about being a pro, right? And acting like a pro. And that's what it comes down to. If you guys find yourselves in these situations where you're playing high level hockey, like,
00:44:58
Speaker
be a good person first and then be a good athlete. And not only is that going to, you know, help with your hockey career, but it's just going to help in life in general. Right. And I, it still baffles me that people think this is okay. Like, I think we've all done things at one point in our life that we haven't been exactly proud of, but You can still, like most of us can still say that it hasn't involved any sort of like crazy, like, think you know, death threats or whatever, like stuff like that. Right. So like be smart, be compassionate, be a good human and. yeah
00:45:43
Speaker
That's how the culture is going to change. And like I said, overall, it has gotten better, but there's still a long way to go. And if like, if you're not part of the problem, be part of the solution. Like I think being quiet about things is just as bad as being involved with things. right So, you know, if you see something.
00:46:06
Speaker
tell somebody, I guess. Yeah. See something, say something. And also like, I think we do need to. have a better system in place for when these things come up as well, right? So that it can be nipped in the bud initially and things don't escalate because there's actually another story about one of my former junior eight clubs that I played for that um had a coach that wasn't there when I was there. Like this was after the fact, but um
00:46:39
Speaker
There was kind of some shady stuff going on between him and ah and a player. And it was brought up early in the season and it kind of got dismissed. And then it escalated from there. And then finally halfway through the season, it kind of got addressed. But then the story was that this coach had been flagged back in like early 2000s with the minor hockey association.
00:47:05
Speaker
And so 20 years later is still coaching at a junior a level and had some shady stuff going on with a junior player. So you got to think of like, well, what happened in those 20 years? Like that never got said, yeah you know what I mean? And so this is the stuff like there needs to be.
00:47:31
Speaker
more like accountability and discipline. And then we also need to make sure that we're advocating for these things that happen. Like we're saying stuff and we're pushing for some sort of action. Right. But yeah I don't know, be part of the solution. Yeah, exactly. And, you know, I mean, there's there's like a thousand different problems in hockey, goaltending amongst one of them.
00:47:56
Speaker
um But yeah, but I think for for people like us who have a platform the way that we do if we're able to address I mean like and thank God for social media as well people don't realize or need to start realizing again, rather that what you put on social media is out there forever. And even if it's not you putting it out on social media, it could be somebody else like something like this, like the hockey parent, I think, like, because I think it was the hockey parent who had called it out, whose kid was involved in, in these activities and had put it essentially put them all over the Facebook and it garnered a huge amount of traction very, very quickly.
00:48:36
Speaker
which is ended up to the point where this goaltender ended up moving to a different team and the minor hockey association actually started acting like adults and addressing it. Um, but yeah, like if you see something say something, obviously we're not all going to be perfect. Bullying realistically is never ever going to go away. But if we do what we can to mitigate it and to speak up rather than staying quiet,
00:49:07
Speaker
ah goes It goes, it goes, it goes a long way. Even if the results aren't desired, as long as you did, whoever you are, as long as you did your part and to say like, Hey, Johnny, that's not okay. What you're doing, saying that you're going to do something to your teammate, who is also our friend.
00:49:31
Speaker
smart enough, essentially, right? Yeah. We talked about being a pro and and all that. So you guys can go back and listen to that episode. But it's, uh, well, well, like then the show notes. Yeah. Um, but yeah, there needs to like, I think everyone, like, honestly, we all need a refresh on how to be, how to be human beings. Cause I feel like after, even after.
00:49:51
Speaker
especially after COVID we kind of all just went wily and and and I've forgotten to do all that but no I wanted to i go ahead thought sorry yeah just one quick thing like if you get called out because you're doing something that somebody doesn't like, ah you be yeah exactly own up to it and say, Oh, okay. Like my bad, sorry. And change or yeah do better, be better. yeah um I'm a full, I'm a full believer that everybody in this world is is a good person. Obviously not all the case, but
00:50:29
Speaker
I don't, I don't believe that anybody is actually truly mean or anybody is actually truly evil again to be desired, but sometimes we're all going to do stupid things. And the fact that there are people out there that believe that it's okay or boys will be boys or, or whatever.
00:50:52
Speaker
Yeah, to a certain extent. And then it gets to borderline WTF, essentially. But but um I want it, but I wanted to address it because I think it's important for for people like us who have that platform to address it and to be part of that part of that conversation, part of the goalie community to say, Hey, we got your back, bud. Don't worry about it. And go out from there.
00:51:17
Speaker
Yeah, else be better. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Nathan, be better. Always trying. Anyways, but yeah, we'll ah we'll cap it off here for today's pod.
00:51:33
Speaker
um Yeah, and this was ah this this was an interesting one to say the least today. ah First off, again, thank you to Greg Marion for submitting this question. if Again, if you guys have any questions that you would like answered on the podcast, feel free to reach out to us, info at the diygoli.com, or you can head over to our website and submit to ah submit a listener question that way. Again, Greg Marion will forever be part of that trivia question now for whoever submitted the first step the first listener question.
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Speaker
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Speaker
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00:54:57
Speaker
I'll let you sign off. I almost took it, but no, I have no make some sales goalies. We'll see you guys next time