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HOT TAKES
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Introduction and Excitement for the Episode
00:00:01
Lord Hinkie
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of the ZNG Dynasty podcast. And man, do we have a hot one for you today.
00:00:15
Lord Hinkie
Without further ado, Zig, say hi to the people before we end up not talking the rest of the podcast because the other guy.
00:00:22
Dakota Zeigler
yeah Yeah, this is not my show. I am here for moral support for this gentleman. I'm going to give it to him right now. Damien Ninja Moore.
00:00:32
Lord Hinkie
Tell them what we're doing to today, buddy.
Damien's Superhero Day and Origins of Hot Takes
00:00:34
Ninja
Hey guys, it's finally that time of year to where I can take off, you know, the clothes and show my superhero outfit. This is my time.
00:00:45
Ninja
This is my Superman day where I'm out there in the streets for you guys, putting myself on the line to give you the best fantasy takes possible.
00:00:56
Ninja
Even if they're a little far-fetched peek at Nico Collins.
00:01:00
Lord Hinkie
Oh, baby.
00:01:02
Ninja
Let me work for you a little bit. All right, guys. But this is a banger today. This is one that we've been looking forward to for a long time. We teased it for weeks now. It's finally here. where I'm back in my domain.
00:01:14
Ninja
It's good to be on with the boys today.
00:01:17
Lord Hinkie
And he was teasing it the whole time. But guess what? It's the hot takes pod. b b you i mean, Ninja himself is the reason this podcast even exists our sister podcast over at the all formats podcast. We created the hot takes podcast strictly because Damien, the ninja more just had the spiciest, hottest takes. And for some reason, some of them would come true.
00:01:42
Lord Hinkie
Like he knew what the heck he was doing. so yeah, strictly this is, this is Ninja's day. This is Ninja's domain as he said himself. Uh, me and Zig also have some spicy takes. We're going throw it there just to keep things moving, keep things rolling.
00:01:55
Lord Hinkie
but yeah, this is going to be a great pod. Now with that being said, just everybody knows what a hot take is. It's something we believe obviously, because we're going to tell you that we think it might happen, but also it's not set in stone. It's not set in stone.
00:02:09
Lord Hinkie
This, these are spicy hot takes for a reason is because, They're, you know, a little far-fetched, if you will, a little dramatic, you know, a little bit of that, a little bit of this.
00:02:20
Lord Hinkie
But, yeah, they're here for fun. This is for a good time. And if any of these hit, we get to talk about them for
Nature of Hot Takes and Early Predictions
00:02:25
Lord Hinkie
years. Ninja. Ninja.
00:02:27
Ninja
Yeah, so for guys out there who aren't familiar with the hot takes, if you're into sports betting at all, you know the touchdown scores, the plus 500 and up?
00:02:37
Dakota Zeigler
you
00:02:38
Ninja
That's my specialty, baby. And that's what we're here for today. Anything that's out of this wheelhouse that shouldn't happen but definitely could, that's today's podcast.
00:02:49
Ninja
Welcome to the crazy fun field.
00:02:51
Lord Hinkie
Yep, this is all, you know, living in a world of, you know, magic and, you know, unicorns. But, you know, we're also talking about football. So, I mean, without further ado, fellas, I think we just head right into it. And let's let the guy himself start us off.
00:03:06
Lord Hinkie
Ninja, hit me with your first hot take and let's get this thing rolling.
00:03:09
Ninja
So the first one's a little tame only because I've been saying it for weeks now.
00:03:15
Lord Hinkie
Mm-hmm.
00:03:16
Ninja
Caleb Williams is going to finish as a top five QB in fantasy and win NFL MVP this season.
00:03:21
Dakota Zeigler
Thank you.
00:03:24
Ninja
He's going to be the first bear to throw for 4,000 yards and he's going to make the playoffs. I've been saying it for weeks now. I believe it 100%. This will happen.
00:03:35
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's a popular one. Obviously, with the Johnson hire going to Chicago, new offensive line, all the weapons they have there. I mean, Caleb, if he fails this year, maybe there's something with Caleb Williams.
00:03:50
Lord Hinkie
Zig, are your thoughts?
00:03:53
Dakota Zeigler
ah Yeah, we've been saying it. I think it's a, I wouldn't say lock, but as close as you could get to it for preseason. Like we said, the offense is great. They transformed that whole team.
00:04:03
Dakota Zeigler
If he can't do it, it's a him issue. And that's all it comes down to. Does he have it or not? And I think he showed us enough that he does. So, yeah.
00:04:15
Lord Hinkie
Definitely. I like that. I would definitely say it's a little tame for Ninja, but I'm sure you got some spicy ones coming here later. But I i like Caleb Williams a lot. Kaleeb himself. think he's a stud.
00:04:25
Lord Hinkie
I like him a lot this year. I was going to throw into my own spicy take for him, but I knew you had one. So and yours was even spicer than mine was going to be. So Zig hit us with your first hot take here, buddy.
00:04:37
Dakota Zeigler
Now, I have a lot of friends, and most of them are Birds fans. But the rest of them are Steelers fans.
00:04:43
Lord Hinkie
Hmm.
00:04:46
Dakota Zeigler
And for my Steelers friends out there, you guys are going to have the first losing season since 2003.
00:04:53
Lord Hinkie
Ooh.
00:04:54
Dakota Zeigler
I love DK Metcalf because I think he is a guy, but I don't think Aaron Rodgers is a guy anymore.
00:04:58
Lord Hinkie
yeah
00:05:02
Dakota Zeigler
I think he's old and washed. I think that you have a offensive coordinator that I hate and I hate dealing with. I think you're going to watch a lot of people crash out on that team and clash with Mike Tomlin.
00:05:15
Dakota Zeigler
I think this is going to be the year things just go wrong and you will have your first losing season. And I think a lot of Steelers fans will rejoice because they're not going to be mid anymore.
00:05:25
Lord Hinkie
Wow. be honest, I don't hate that at all. I think none of us really have high, high hopes for the Steelers this year. I think we're all kind of expecting another around 500 season, maybe 10-8 kind of thing.
00:05:37
Lord Hinkie
But I definitely can see them having a losing season. I hate Arthur Smith as an OC, like you said. And Rodgers is like 42.
00:05:49
Lord Hinkie
Defense is still great, but that's about it.
00:05:52
Dakota Zeigler
If their guy TJ Watts gets hurt, then the defense sucks. so It all all rides a one guy, honestly, to keep the season together or not.
00:05:56
Lord Hinkie
yeah
00:05:59
Lord Hinkie
It really does. It really does. All right. Well, I guess it's up to
Bold Predictions: Caleb Williams and Ricky Pearsall
00:06:03
Lord Hinkie
me now. So my first hot take is probably going to be the spiciest one we've had so far.
00:06:10
Lord Hinkie
And it's a guy I haven't really talked about too much this offseason because I was kind of holding him in my pocket. But now it's out in in the open. i don't know if I want to do it. Nah, I will.
00:06:21
Lord Hinkie
Ricky Pearsall dominates. in Brandon Ayuk's absence and solidous ah ah solidifies himself as a number one wide receiver in San Francisco.
00:06:33
Lord Hinkie
I am finishing top 15 wide receiver in PPR. Him and Kittle are going to be a great one-two punch. CMC is healthy, but I think he's lost a step or two if he stays healthy.
00:06:46
Lord Hinkie
I like Ricky Purcell a lot, former first round pick for San Francisco. Obviously, you know, he, missed a lot of the last season after he was shot by somebody. And he also had a great finish to the year.
00:06:58
Lord Hinkie
Last two games of the season, very, very good fantasy outlooks. I like it a lot. I like it. Obviously, that's why I said it. I've been trying to get more Ricky Pierce all shares secretly.
00:07:12
Lord Hinkie
I've failed horribly because he's not in any of my teams, but I like it. I like it a lot. are your guys thoughts?
00:07:20
Dakota Zeigler
For me, I completely agree. I have been trying to acquire Ricky Pearsall as well with no luck.
00:07:23
Lord Hinkie
Thank you.
00:07:26
Dakota Zeigler
It's just been unfortunate. And I'm going to kind of throw my next hot take in here with this one because I'm just going to kind of say it in this agreeance because you have Kittle, who's an absolute stud, who's going to see a lot of work.
00:07:41
Dakota Zeigler
You have CMC, who I love this year. And my hot take is that CMC will be the number one overall running back and win comeback player of the year.
00:07:51
Lord Hinkie
I like that.
00:07:51
Dakota Zeigler
So I believe in CMC. The only other competitor I see CMC having for comeback player the year is Dak Prescott. If he stays healthy, wink, wink, more news on that to come.
00:08:00
Lord Hinkie
Nah.
00:08:03
Dakota Zeigler
Uh, But yeah, there's CMC, there's Kittle, and there's no one else right now to throw the ball to. Their wide receivers are non-existent. Iuke, I think week six is when he's slated to come back.
00:08:14
Dakota Zeigler
So Pearsall's going to have so much time to develop a connection with Purdy. He's got the talent. I mean, he got legitimately shot last year and still came back and looked good on the field. So he is going to dominate. I love this. Take Gary.
00:08:29
Ninja
Yeah, I'll jump in here. Zig, I feel yours wasn't as spicy. Junior, were right? That's very spicy. Top 15 for Ricky Pierce. So I love it. I can see it.
00:08:40
Ninja
It's just when IU gets back, is pretty going to be able to still feed him the targets for it. But it's a hot takes pod for a reason. And folks, you're wondering why Gary had the first spicy take.
00:08:51
Ninja
I promise you, I'm only heating up. You got my tamest take first. We're getting there. I promise. But Gary, I love your take a lot.
00:08:59
Lord Hinkie
Thank you. Big Ricky Pearsall guy. Loved him coming out of college. I thought he was going to be a nice, like sneaky grab in those rookie drafts. And then San Fran took him in the first round and no value skyrocketed from there.
00:09:12
Lord Hinkie
But Zieg, I think for CMC, he's just got to stay healthy. That's literally the only thing. If we get 17 games at a CMC, there's no reason he's not a top three back, if not the one, one.
00:09:23
Lord Hinkie
So just got to stay healthy. So Ninja speaking of hit me with that next take.
00:09:28
Ninja
Like I said, we're going to ramp it up a little bit. I'm going to keep it on quarterbacks. Bryce Young finishes as a top 12 quarterback in fantasy this season.
00:09:40
Lord Hinkie
e
00:09:41
Ninja
Made leaps and bounds at the end of last season.
00:09:42
Dakota Zeigler
oh
00:09:43
Lord Hinkie
Mm. Mm. Mm.
00:09:45
Ninja
I love the offense they finally put around them. I love Tett. I love Xavier Leggett. Somehow Hunter Renfro is coming back from the dead. Jatavian Sanders is a very promising tight end.
00:09:59
Ninja
And the running back room is really solid with a lot of good pass catchers. And their defense still sucks. They're going to be behind in a lot of games. He's going to chuck the ball a ton.
00:10:10
Ninja
I love Bryce Young this season. And you can still buy him at a premium right now.
Predictions on Rising Fantasy QBs
00:10:18
Ninja
Go get him before he blows up.
00:10:22
Dakota Zeigler
I don't hate it. I mean, I think it fits your takes well, being a Leggett guy, some of the players you like there, and you've been in on Bryce for a while. i
00:10:35
Dakota Zeigler
I'm going to bring this up because I just don't, you don't think T-Law can do it. I don't see how Bryce can do it. That's kind of where I'm running into. I think T-Law is a little bit better than Bryce.
00:10:48
Dakota Zeigler
It has a little bit more better weapons around him. So I don't hate it, but I just don't see it happening, I guess is what I'll say there.
00:10:58
Dakota Zeigler
I think he'll be better than he was last year. I mean, I think he's definitely undervalued right now, but I wouldn't, but I mean, this is hot takes. gotta be spicy. So Gary,
00:11:08
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, I mean, top 12 is where it gets spicy. um um I like it. I like Bryce Young to have a good year. um like the weapons they put around him, like you said.
00:11:18
Lord Hinkie
I still worry about that offensive line. It hasn't improved much since last year, and Bryce Young spent most of last season on his back. But I definitely see some improvement coming.
00:11:28
Lord Hinkie
um um I like Tet. The other guy you said that – or the guy you didn't say that I also like is Adam Thieland. I think Thielen's a good safety valve for him there. I like it.
00:11:39
Lord Hinkie
I do like it. I think 12 is hefty for me, but that's why it's a hot take. But I don't mind at all. I like a good year for Bryce Young this year.
00:11:46
Lord Hinkie
right, Zig.
00:11:48
Dakota Zeigler
So I'm going back to the comeback player of the year where I said that the only competition CMC has is Dak. And because of that reason, I think Joe Milton could be a league winner at the end of the year.
00:12:03
Lord Hinkie
ho
00:12:03
Dakota Zeigler
I think Joe Milton is talented. I think Dak sucks. I think they're going to give Joe Milton a shot, and I think he's going to be a player that's not going to be afraid to sling the ball deep downfield to George Pickens and CeeDee Lamb.
00:12:17
Dakota Zeigler
He's a guy I've been trying to stash if I can. Do I think he's an amazing quarterback? No. But I think he could give Jameis type of, hey, I'm getting my shot. I'm yucking it down the field.
00:12:30
Dakota Zeigler
And in that offense, I mean... I see it. Parsons could be gone by then. Their defense is going to be a little shaky. They're going to need the score. So I'm going to call my shot as I'm not a Dak guy and I don't think Dak has it anymore that Joe Milton time coming later this year.
00:12:49
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, i mean, just to hop in here quick, I completely agree. We heard on the last podcast Dak was one of my not-my guys. I don't know if this is banking on him just sucking and ah the Cowboys moving on from him at the end the year or if it's kind of like a re-injury kind of thing.
00:13:07
Lord Hinkie
I like Dak sucking.
00:13:07
Dakota Zeigler
I think it's a high chance of both.
00:13:09
Lord Hinkie
High chance of both, sure. I like the take that Dak absolutely sucks. I don't know if I like the take of Joe Milton being a fantasy player League winner. I think that's a little absurd, but I'll stick to the Dak sucks part.
00:13:23
Dakota Zeigler
And this is more of redraft styles, what I'm thinking. I don't think this is a long-term investment in Joe Milton, but I think that
00:13:29
Lord Hinkie
yeah Yeah, pick them off off waivers, play them in the playoffs. so good
00:13:33
Dakota Zeigler
that... That's my thought here.
00:13:34
Lord Hinkie
Hopefully your team, hopefully you got a better quarterback than Joe Milton by the end of the year. but We'll see.
00:13:39
Ninja
This is gross. By all standards, this is disgusting. Joe Milton is one of the most overhyped draft prospects I've ever seen.
00:13:53
Lord Hinkie
He's such a raw talent.
00:13:55
Ninja
You say raw, I say he can't have any accuracy on any passes he throws. Sure, you can throw at ADRs, but if you can't throw a five-yard out, what are you to an NFL team?
00:14:00
Lord Hinkie
Oh,
00:14:06
Ninja
I've never been on the Joe Milton train. Junior, I know you watch tape. It sucked.
00:14:11
Lord Hinkie
it was awful.
00:14:11
Ninja
It wasn't
00:14:12
Lord Hinkie
I think when we gave our QB takes that year, i remember saying, Joe Milton, who cares? And then I ended it there.
00:14:20
Ninja
Yeah.
00:14:20
Lord Hinkie
Because it's just awful.
00:14:21
Ninja
And that should still be the case. Who cares?
00:14:23
Lord Hinkie
man
00:14:24
Ninja
Unless Dak gets hurt, they're not going to bench a guy that they're paying 50 mil year to. It's not going to happen.
00:14:30
Lord Hinkie
No. It'd have to be an injury, I think.
00:14:34
Ninja
I hate this, mainly because I also hate Joe Milton almost as equally as much as I hate Dak. But for me, this is very, very, very gross in all sense of the word that it's gross. It's a disservice to the word gross.
00:14:50
Lord Hinkie
Well, speaking of guys that Damian Ninja Moore hates, let's move on to my next hot take and just keep this train or rolling, baby. And here it is. Everybody knows it's
Tight End Predictions: Kyle Pitts and Others
00:14:59
Lord Hinkie
coming. We said it on the last podcast.
00:15:02
Lord Hinkie
Kyle Anthony Pitts Sr. finishes at a top five tight end. The talent is finally realized. And properly utilized, that's the biggest part.
00:15:15
Lord Hinkie
I like Michael Penix Jr. I think he turns Kyle Pitts into a top five fantasy tight end. And I think he's a mainstay there for years to come. Turn his career around.
00:15:26
Lord Hinkie
All he needed was a QB. You know, little offense switch up. Get out get Arthur Smith's shadow. Let's switch it up a little bit. Let's throw this guy the ball and utilize that talent that he is.
00:15:37
Lord Hinkie
And give me all the value for him right now in Dynasty. Redraft, underdogs. I want all the Kyle Pitts. Even if he finishes, you know, I'm saying he finishes top five because ah it's got to be a hot take, and also I do like it.
00:15:51
Lord Hinkie
But if he finishes at the top 12 tight end, dude, you're getting great value on this guy. So I'm all in. Was all in. Still all in. Kyle Anthony Pitts, senior.
00:16:02
Dakota Zeigler
I'll jump in here first before we hear our partners thoughts on this. I like it. And I mean, if you're not a top eight tight end in fantasy, I mean, you don't really matter.
00:16:10
Lord Hinkie
Thank
00:16:14
Dakota Zeigler
So you got to be up there top five to even be consideration for this to be a hot take, in my opinion. Just looking at fantasy points, there's not many difference of your back end of Back end tight end ones and tight end twos. The point differential is so, so minuscule. It doesn't matter. So top five is spicy. We've seen a lot of stuff of the connection of Michael Penix.
00:16:38
Dakota Zeigler
New source did him dirty, by the way, if you guys missed that. So that that guy had to come in eventually, though. But yeah, that connection between Kyle Pitts and Michael Penix is building.
00:16:49
Dakota Zeigler
Michael Penix sees the talent. He's going to try to get on the ball. And again, there's not many options outside of the big three in Atlanta down there. You got Drake London. You got Kyle Pitts. You got Bijan.
00:17:01
Dakota Zeigler
I mean, keep it short, concise. Let's go. All right. Damien.
00:17:06
Lord Hinkie
and mean
00:17:09
Ninja
Because I also have a take on this. I'm going to save it so we retain the listening part of the aspect for ah ah majority of our listeners for a little bit longer. I'll let you revel in this until later in the pod.
00:17:23
Ninja
I don't want to trample on your parade too much here.
00:17:26
Lord Hinkie
Don't yuck my yum.
00:17:28
Dakota Zeigler
and we call this a teaser for the end of the pod.
00:17:31
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, stay tuned. all right, Ninja, we'll hit me with another one you got.
00:17:36
Ninja
So one of my guys, a notorious my guy, a guy I told you would work out. Y'all didn't believe me, but he worked out. Guess what? It's an Eagle Collins again.
00:17:47
Ninja
He will finish as the wide receiver one this year. That's over Jamar Chase. That's over Justin Jefferson. That's over CeeDee Lamb and Amon Ross A. Brown.
00:17:58
Ninja
They have no running game and no offensive line. Joe Mixon is hurt. and going through some legal troubles. Nick Chubb hurt.
00:18:08
Ninja
Am I going to trust Woody Marks in a bad offensive line? Heck no, I'm going trust Nico Collins. CJ Stroud is going to chuck that football all over the field this year, and Nico Collins will be a direct benefactor for it.
00:18:23
Ninja
Give me wide receiver one finish for my boy, Nico Collins.
00:18:29
Dakota Zeigler
Buy C. Damien, for you, my guy. i mean, this guy loves Nico Collins. Here's the thing that shocks me here, Damien.
00:18:39
Dakota Zeigler
Your other went there. You might as well just buy... Forget the birds. He might as well be a Texan. Your my guys are just going right to Houston.
00:18:51
Dakota Zeigler
I mean...
00:18:51
Ninja
I mean, if they keep drafting well, bless.
00:18:54
Lord Hinkie
Hmm.
00:18:56
Dakota Zeigler
So you think that Nico is just going to do enough to become wide receiver ones? Does that take a hit on Jaden Higgins? Is that a, you know, worried about him a slow start?
00:19:04
Ninja
No. No.
00:19:07
Ninja
No, it's none of the above. So, Nico Collins, to start last year, was wide receiver two, and then he got hurt, and then he fell down the board a little bit.
00:19:17
Ninja
Without an injury, this guy can easily average 21 points a game, I think, in that bad offense where they're going to have to throw the ball. I think it's very plausible, and it's a hot take because I'm taking him over guys like Jamar Chase.
00:19:33
Ninja
And I haven't done many dog drafts, and I got stuck with the 112, so I didn't have my option. If I get the 1-1 in a dog draft, I'm taking Nico Collins.
00:19:43
Ninja
Because...
00:19:44
Dakota Zeigler
Love it.
00:19:44
Lord Hinkie
That is hot.
00:19:46
Ninja
If you do some research, a wide receiver who finishes wide receiver one never finishes wide receiver one again the next season.
00:19:55
Dakota Zeigler
Yep.
00:19:56
Ninja
So Jamar chases out the question. I think it's safe. I think he's top five. He's never number one again. Give me some Nico Collins.
00:20:06
Dakota Zeigler
It's spicy and I love it.
00:20:07
Lord Hinkie
i don't know. I think if anybody is going to do it, it would be Jamar Chase. I mean, there's no reason for him not to. Nothing about that team's actually changed.
00:20:14
Dakota Zeigler
Thank
00:20:16
Lord Hinkie
Their defense still sucks. Joe Burrow's still really good. still have T. Higgins, which they did beforehand anyways. I takes really hot.
00:20:25
Lord Hinkie
I like Nico. I told you, I always been a big Nico guy right next to you. And, you know, if he doesn't miss those four games last season, he's probably he was easily got top five wide receiver last season.
00:20:38
Lord Hinkie
it would just have to be on pure numbers. He needs like 12, 15 targets a game. Just, you know, Nico's down there somewhere, you know. I see the path. I don't know if I believe it, but I see the path.
00:20:52
Lord Hinkie
Zig, what got for me?
00:20:55
Dakota Zeigler
So I'm going to go over here and talk about some of these rookies.
Strong Rookie Class: Running Back Predictions
00:20:59
Dakota Zeigler
And we were really excited for this rookie class coming in. Rookie running back class. And my take here is that there is a minimum of six rookie running backs that will end the year as a top 24 running back.
00:21:14
Dakota Zeigler
Gentty, Hampton, Harvey, Caleb Johnson, Henderson, and Judkins. Now, I don't have the statistics of before him, but I feel like six running backs ending that high, and there's a correlation to this with another take that's going to be coming around.
00:21:29
Dakota Zeigler
But, I mean, the rookie running backs, and that's a minimum of six. I think there could be more. I think Scadabo could take over over Tyrone Tracy and start pushing up there.
00:21:40
Dakota Zeigler
There's a bunch of options, and... shots that these guys are going to get. This is a good running back class. I mean, listen back to our first pods. This is what we talked about. This is what we're here for.
00:21:52
Dakota Zeigler
These are not only this year redraft guys, but they're going to be dynasty guys as well. This is going to be a good running back class. We're going to look on and look back on.
00:22:02
Dakota Zeigler
So it may not seem as spicy now. I mean, it is kind of mild, but I got another one coming up next that'll maybe open your eyes a little bit.
00:22:11
Ninja
I'ma let Junior go first cause Zigg I'ma roll off of your take.
00:22:16
Lord Hinkie
Oh, interesting.
00:22:16
Dakota Zeigler
Love it.
00:22:17
Lord Hinkie
like it. I was a big fan of this running back class coming into it. I like all the names really you said there. I think the news obviously came around that we didn't get to talk about before the podcast, but Quinshawn Judkins, the charges against him were officially dropped.
00:22:33
Lord Hinkie
He returned to Cleveland. I'm sure he's going back at practice soon if he's not already. So, you know, week one, he should be ready to go. It may be a little bit of a slower start for Judkins since he had dealing with a little bit of off-the-field issues. But Trayvon Henderson has been tearing it up in camp, tore it up week one in preseason.
00:22:54
Lord Hinkie
Obviously, you got your genties. We love R.J. Harvey. Omari and Hampton with Najee Harris being out. I love it. I love all the running backs. give me the running
00:23:06
Ninja
Yeah, so I'm keep it rolling, Zig, because I'll partner right with you, but I'm going to little bit heavier on it. Four rookie running backs finishing the top 12 of fantasy this season.
00:23:16
Dakota Zeigler
I love it.
00:23:16
Lord Hinkie
Damn.
00:23:18
Ninja
It's going to be Gentey, Hampton, give me Junkins, and give me Caleb Johnson to finish in the top 12 this year. We've been waiting for an elite class of running backs.
00:23:29
Ninja
Up and down, we finally got it. A lot of the running backs we know and love, are getting on the older side. Give me the young bucks to start taking over the league. This will be the best running back class since 2017 with CMC, Camara, Mixon, and Kareem Hunt.
00:23:47
Ninja
These guys going to take over early, and they're not going to look back. Hand the keys over. Grandpa, it's time for us to drive.
00:23:56
Dakota Zeigler
woo I love it. Gary, I mean, this is is up to you. We know I'm in.
00:24:02
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, I mean, I think you just said the wrong names. I like it. I just think you said the wrong name. If your take is just four rookies, I'd be down because then you can throw in a little bit of variable here and there.
00:24:18
Lord Hinkie
I think there's a 0% chance Caleb Johnson finishes as a top 12 running back. I don't think that offense is going to be good. Zee kind of said it before. I think the Steelers kind of stink. So he'd be the one guy i'd be definitely out on.
00:24:31
Lord Hinkie
Judkins I would also be hesitant on. Like if you said R.J. Harvey and Trayvon Henderson, instead of those last two, I'd probably be like 100% in. I like it.
00:24:41
Lord Hinkie
I do love it. I like it, I would say. I like the rookie running backs coming in. Like Zig said, the top two guys I feel like are almost locks, if not already.
00:24:53
Lord Hinkie
And then we said before in the My Guys podcast, there's a lot of variables that from running back to running back 15. lot of guys can move in and out. a lot of guys are getting older.
00:25:05
Lord Hinkie
Touchdown variables every year. I don't mind it. I think there's a there's a vision. and just I think you said the wrong names.
00:25:13
Ninja
So I will never be, like, I like Travion Henderson. It's just, do those ACLs hold up? If I was a betting man, I'd say no. But I do like him as, like, a player, just not in fantasy. Like, a football player? Yeah, I love Travion Henderson.
00:25:30
Ninja
But fantasy asset? Maybe not. And I just went with my top four running backs who I broke down. They ended my list as top four, so why not put my top four up there against the rest?
00:25:42
Lord Hinkie
Fair. I respect it. I think that leaves me to give my next hot take. And this isn't as much as like a hot take as it is a...
Impact of New QBs on Fantasy Landscape
00:25:54
Lord Hinkie
I think the fantasy landscape is going to kind of get flipped on its head.
00:25:59
Lord Hinkie
My take officially is I think the QB dynasty fantasy landscape gets completely flipped on its head. i have I think Drake May is going to finish as a top 10 QB.
00:26:10
Lord Hinkie
I said it in the last podcast. I love Drake May this year. i like what they're doing up there in New England. they line's gotten better. Got a few more weapons up there. I love Drake May this year.
00:26:21
Lord Hinkie
i have Mahomes finishing outside the top 12. We also said in the last podcast we think the Chiefs offense is going to take a step back. Mahomes himself is taking a step back.
00:26:30
Dakota Zeigler
Thank you.
00:26:31
Lord Hinkie
Kelsey is you doing podcasts with Taylor Swift now to announce her new album. I think he's a little less focused on football. I think Mahomes takes a big step down.
00:26:40
Lord Hinkie
I have Caleb Williams, Michael Penix also finishing in the top 12 of fantasy football quarterbacks this year. And I still got some hot QB takes.
00:26:51
Lord Hinkie
I think Jalen Milrow starts more games this season than Jackson Dart does. I know both of you guys will agree with me there. And my last one is Justin Herbert continues to disappoint.
00:27:03
Lord Hinkie
I think he finishes as a QB 20 or worse. I don't love him there in with the chargers. I think the injury to the left tackle, whose name is escaping right now, Slater, thank you, a big one.
00:27:12
Dakota Zeigler
Slater.
00:27:15
Lord Hinkie
I don't think Herbert performs well.
00:27:16
Ninja
you.
00:27:18
Lord Hinkie
I still like McConkie, but not as much. But I think the all in all in general, I think looking at QB 20, Dynasty outlooks for this season versus what they're going look like this time next year are going to be completely backwards.
00:27:32
Lord Hinkie
I think a lot of young kids are going to take steps up. I think a lot of old guys are going to take steps back. And, you know, it's going to be very, very different come this time next year.
00:27:43
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, I'll jump in here. Yeah, spicy. I mean, this is a hot takes pod. There's a lot of variables like we talked about, but I think that's... I agree here because something's going to shake up in the NFL.
00:27:59
Dakota Zeigler
I feel like it's been fairly... stale in the way of quarterbacks there hasn't been too many big changes recently the big one i'm gonna hone in is the milro i mean i think sam donald is not going to see i am out on sam donald this year i want i i think he was part of o'connell system i don't think he's a good quarterback to be honest with you I think he's just mid and I think that's going to shine again now that he's not, you know, throwing the J jets, Jordan Addison and, you know, just playing O'Connell system. So I think Milrow has a good shot of seeing some playing time this year.
00:28:44
Dakota Zeigler
I just hope they don't give him the full reins. I'd like to see him sit this year and learn and build and get ready to take over next year. So I would love to see him get some shots, get some playing time, but just don't, you know, after they're by, don't just give him the reins and let him run with it.
00:29:02
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, throw him to the fire too early.
00:29:02
Dakota Zeigler
That's kind of what I'm hoping for. Yeah, exactly.
00:29:06
Dakota Zeigler
But no, I like it, Gary. I'm down for a good shakeup.
00:29:06
Lord Hinkie
mayor'am
00:29:10
Ninja
Uh, is it bad to say? i don't think this is a hot take. I think this is just a reality. I'm on this train of new QBs making their way into the league and putting marks up. And the old guys, the guys we know, are going to be out.
00:29:25
Ninja
I've been on this train. I've been hyping up Caleb Williams. I've been on the Bryce Young train for about two years now. Or however long it's been. I don't know. It's been a long time. I've been riding solo on that train.
00:29:35
Dakota Zeigler
It's been a while.
00:29:38
Ninja
But the new guys are taking over. It's the new age of the NFL, and it's about time it's coming. The normal names you see on Sunday aren't going to be the ones you think of.
00:29:43
Lord Hinkie
Time for a new era.
00:29:50
Ninja
And, like, I have some hot takes I can put in here for quarterbacks. But I like a lot of the rookies that came out last year over guys who have already been in the league.
00:30:03
Ninja
And that goes for a lot of names. Drake May at 10, I love it. I really do because I was going to have a take and I'll get into it. we're going to have five new guys in the top 12 for quarterbacks this season.
00:30:19
Ninja
Like, I love guys like Caleb Williams jumping in Drake may jumping in. I like JJ McCarthy jumping in.
00:30:26
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. O'Connell system, like Zig was saying.
00:30:29
Ninja
Yeah. I, there's so many guys who are just fading out. Like, um,
00:30:34
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:30:35
Ninja
I'm not going put it as a hot take, but I'm out on Jordan Love completely. I don't know where he's getting drafted, where he's at. um'm I'm out. I'm done. I'm not buying into the hype wherever it may be.
00:30:48
Ninja
But I think the young guys are going to take over, and I think it's a great take. And maybe I should have done it for mine because I believe this entirely.
00:30:58
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, I feel like you were were were definitely going to be on this train as well.
00:31:00
Dakota Zeigler
Thank you.
00:31:03
Lord Hinkie
Obviously, we both like Kaleeb a lot, both like Drake May a lot, your big Bryce Young guy. For me, I think it's just the new era has to take over eventually.
00:31:14
Lord Hinkie
We had the Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes era where they're just you top three QBs. And I'm not saying they're not going to be this year because they're still going very, very good.
00:31:24
Lord Hinkie
But that kind of and that era is, you know, they're aging a little bit. I'm not saying they're the ones that are going to take a step down. I just think this new era of the Drake Mays, the Kayla Williams are going to make their step forward and kind of bump out those guys that are hanging around the 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 mark for Dynasty.
00:31:45
Lord Hinkie
You guys both want jump in there. Go ahead and fight for it.
00:31:48
Ninja
Yeah, I'll go first.
00:31:49
Dakota Zeigler
Go ahead, Damien.
00:31:49
Ninja
hi Gotcha, brother. So if you guys don't remember, a couple of years ago, we missed out on an era of quarterback. And that's why it feels like it's been the same guys for forever.
00:32:00
Ninja
We missed out on Andrew Locke. we missed out on Robert Griffin III. Like, we missed out on some generational guys because of injury. And people forget about them, especially in fantasy. And that's why you see, you know, Patrick Mahomes, who I think sucks, continue to, like, dominate and be a focal point in media and press and fantasy is because we're there's not guys out there like Andrew Luck anymore, who was quite literally the next Peyton Manning.
00:32:32
Ninja
And I don't care what anyone has to say about it. I'll fight tooth and nail for that. And Robert Griffin III was one of our first introductions outside of Michael Vick to a mobile quarterback being productive in fantasy.
Reflecting on QB Potential and Predictions
00:32:46
Ninja
And we missed out on a whole era because of injury. Like, if Robert Griffin III didn't break his knees his second year in or whenever that was...
00:32:57
Lord Hinkie
Mm-hmm.
00:32:58
Ninja
there's a total different outlook on fantasy, but we miss that era and we got more pocket passers. We got some improvisers in there. And then Lamar kind of reset it as like a scrambler, like run first guy, but Robert Griffin, the third walked so he could fly.
00:33:18
Ninja
And we're kind of forgetting about that era of forgotten guys that like what could have, should have, but injury happened. You know what I mean? So for me, love the new era taking over only because we missed out on an era of great quarterbacks in this league.
00:33:41
Ninja
Zig.
00:33:42
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, I'm I'm with you there, Damian. Like you said, we definitely missed out. Like it's been still too long when you got, you know, guys that are late 30s, 40s playing at the quarterback position. And that's our best option right now. Like, yeah, you definitely missed out on something there.
00:33:59
Dakota Zeigler
I just want to say we're recording on August, Friday, August 15th. I have the Chief Seahawks game on here beside me. And like we just said with Milrow and Darnold, Darnold got it down to third and short, and they brought Milrow in to do the tush push.
00:34:18
Lord Hinkie
me I love that.
00:34:18
Dakota Zeigler
With Darnold, Darnold just stood behind him. There was no one pushing. It was just Milrow doing the dirty work. So I think we're going to see a lot of Milrow bailing out Sam Darnold this year.
00:34:30
Dakota Zeigler
It was funny. We just talked to it, and it just happened. I watched it live here. But no, I like that take. i I agree with you, Damian. It's been unfortunate that we play the game of what if in fantasy, man. What if Andrew Locke stayed healthy and didn't retire?
00:34:48
Dakota Zeigler
Locke.
00:34:48
Ninja
I mean, o o we talk about a lot of times.
00:34:50
Dakota Zeigler
ah Drew Locke, baby.
00:34:52
Ninja
A lot of what-ifs, first off, I was a big Drew Locke guy when he came out, and it's kind of gross. I think in a redraft Dynasty League, I took him in like fourth round. That's how much I believed in Drew Locke coming out.
00:35:02
Dakota Zeigler
i think I think we all were Drew Locke fans.
00:35:03
Ninja
yeah and i was When he didn't work out, I was like, that might be my worst take I've ever had.
00:35:05
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:35:06
Lord Hinkie
Hard not to be.
00:35:11
Ninja
But then you think of the greatest what-ifs in history.
00:35:11
Dakota Zeigler
What
00:35:15
Ninja
If Antonio Brown didn't get CTE from Vontaze Perfect, could have he been one of the best receivers of all time? Or we think of Tavon Austin.
00:35:25
Dakota Zeigler
Oh, yeah.
00:35:25
Ninja
Everyone loves him. still watch his college film when I'm
00:35:27
Lord Hinkie
Man.
00:35:28
Dakota Zeigler
was going to...
00:35:29
Lord Hinkie
Oh, you have to.
00:35:29
Dakota Zeigler
Turn on them highlights.
00:35:32
Ninja
oh my goodness, what a guy.
00:35:33
Lord Hinkie
I feel like we need a what-ifs pod.
00:35:34
Ninja
then, oh my God.
00:35:36
Lord Hinkie
Add that to the podcast ideas a sheet, a what-ifs pod.
00:35:40
Dakota Zeigler
I'm on it.
00:35:42
Ninja
Give me some personal Harvin what-if pod.
00:35:42
Lord Hinkie
That would be really fun to dive into. Oh, my God.
00:35:46
Dakota Zeigler
yeah
00:35:46
Ninja
Oh my goodness.
00:35:47
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. What if the Eagles drafted Mariota when Chip Kelly was the head coach?
00:35:49
Ninja
I'm going to get sentimental. I'm going to tear up.
00:35:54
Dakota Zeigler
This is going to be...
00:35:55
Ninja
That would have been bad.
00:35:55
Dakota Zeigler
That'd be a fun pod.
00:35:56
Ninja
That would have set us back for five years instead of two.
00:35:57
Dakota Zeigler
I've never...
00:35:58
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. I know a lot of guys, this is like an old, old take, but what if you Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers didn't switch teams on draft day? What if Phillip was in New York and Eli was out in the...
00:36:08
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:36:10
Ninja
That was all centralized around Drew Brees, too, and people forget about that.
00:36:13
Lord Hinkie
Yep. Yeah. I think that what if pod would be very, very fun. I would love to get into that, way especially with you fellas.
00:36:20
Ninja
Oh, that'd be a great pod.
00:36:22
Lord Hinkie
Add that to the list.
00:36:22
Dakota Zeigler
It's in the list.
00:36:22
Ninja
A great pod.
00:36:24
Dakota Zeigler
in the in the list
00:36:26
Lord Hinkie
Lovely. Lovely. All right, I think we're back up to Ninja.
00:36:29
Dakota Zeigler
right
00:36:30
Lord Hinkie
What do you got for me, big fella?
00:36:33
Ninja
Alright, I guess we're far enough into this podcast where I can...
00:36:36
Lord Hinkie
Time to lose the listeners? all right, guys. Well, nice knowing you. Appreciate you guys listening.
00:36:41
Ninja
To those out there, ah do love ya
00:36:45
Ninja
But this is... I'm on this show now.
00:36:50
Ninja
And my hot take is definitely my spiciest of the night. Kyle Pitts and Travis Kelsey finish outside tight end 10 in fantasy this season.
Tight End Surprises: Kelsey and Pitts Outside Top 10
00:37:03
Ninja
Travis is old He didn't move good at the end of last year. He looked rigid and slow. And I said on the, my guys guy, uh, podcast, Patrick Mahomes should be off your board.
00:37:15
Ninja
Gary said, Travis Kelsey is not his guy.
00:37:19
Lord Hinkie
Oh, yeah, I guess we can talk about that because that's another thing I forgot to talk about before we start the pod.
00:37:20
Ninja
And pits.
00:37:20
Dakota Zeigler
I said not the wide receivers.
00:37:21
Ninja
If you miss podcast. Yep. It's, it's a bad offense is what it is. And where she rice is going to be in jail suspended. I don't know. That's a weird situation.
00:37:35
Lord Hinkie
guess Rasheed Rice's hearing for the NFL, I guess, obviously his whole thing with his illegal battles, it's pushed back till September thirtieth So it looks like he might play a first couple weeks of the season before that hearing happens, and then he might get a suspension or jail time.
00:37:53
Lord Hinkie
It's kind of up in the air, but it looks like Rishi Rice is at least going to start the season on the Chiefs, whether how long that is is a question mark. But sorry to cut you off, Ninja.
00:38:00
Dakota Zeigler
But those those first couple games, though, until then, suck, by the way.
00:38:01
Lord Hinkie
Go
00:38:04
Lord Hinkie
Or tough, very tough matchups.
00:38:07
Dakota Zeigler
Chargers, Philly, the Giants, Baltimore. like
00:38:10
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:11
Dakota Zeigler
And then you may not have him. Was that you who threw in our chat when that happened, Damien? He's off your list. saw someone somewhere.
00:38:18
Dakota Zeigler
He's just yeah like he's not even worth considering.
00:38:21
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, it's it's it sucks.
00:38:22
Ninja
No, not at all.
00:38:24
Lord Hinkie
it kind of feels like years ago with the Kareem Hunt situation where it was like, if you draft this guy, he might just either not play for you for the whole season and be probably really good for fantasy, or he's going to get a huge suspension, or he might be out for the whole year because of the whole jail situation.
00:38:42
Lord Hinkie
And the same thing with years before that, Tyreek Hill, which is ironic. I think all these players were on the Chiefs when this happened.
00:38:48
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:38:49
Lord Hinkie
But the Tyreek Hill situation where he had this looming suspension that you just never knew how long it was going to be or when it was going to happen, and you're just rolling the dice on drafting this player or trading for this player, not knowing what you're going to get out of him.
00:39:03
Lord Hinkie
And I feel like it's the same situation.
00:39:04
Ninja
Bad culture down there in KC.
00:39:06
Lord Hinkie
Awful.
00:39:06
Ninja
Bad culture.
00:39:08
Lord Hinkie
I'm surprised with Andy Reid. I'm surprised how good they've been. Obviously, i think it's a testament to how good Andy Reid is as a head coach, but also, is it?
00:39:18
Ninja
That's a great question.
00:39:18
Dakota Zeigler
What if?
00:39:19
Lord Hinkie
I don't know.
00:39:20
Dakota Zeigler
What
00:39:20
Lord Hinkie
they can overcome all that adversity and still be in Super Bowls, win Super Bowls, and be great.
00:39:20
Dakota Zeigler
What?
00:39:26
Lord Hinkie
But also, it just keeps happening.
00:39:30
Ninja
I don't know. I'm gonna i
00:39:30
Lord Hinkie
Anyways, i don't mean to derail you off your take, Ninja, but you can go ahead and get back to that, Big
00:39:34
Ninja
going Nope, that was a great um was a great little side bit to put in there. I like that a lot. And for Pitts, you guys, and know y'all are Pitts guys, you guys are assuming Michael Penix is a guy.
00:39:45
Dakota Zeigler
Thank you.
00:39:46
Ninja
When he came out in his draft, he was my QB7.
00:39:52
Ninja
I'm not convinced that he is good enough to elevate one of his guys to be into the top 10, whether that's Drake London or Kyle Pitts. The only person I want on the Falcons offense is Bijan Robinson because I know he's going to get work, regardless of how good or bad Michael Penix is.
00:40:12
Ninja
I don't want any Falcons players. And so you guys get a perspective into my brain. The tight ends that will finish above these guys this next coming year in fantasy. Brock Bowers is one.
00:40:25
Ninja
George Kittles is two. Trey McBride, three. TJ Hawkinson, four.
00:40:32
Ninja
Mark Andrews, five. Evan Ingram, six. Brenton Strange at seven.
00:40:36
Dakota Zeigler
Ooh.
00:40:39
Ninja
Give me Colston Loveland at eight.
00:40:41
Lord Hinkie
Oh, cheeky.
00:40:43
Ninja
talk Tucker k Craft at nine, one Ziggs guys. And Zach Ertz at 10.
00:40:46
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah. Oh, that's spicy. I think that's spicy. Earth's at 10.
00:40:54
Lord Hinkie
Man, now I want to just do a Rankin's pod.
00:40:57
Dakota Zeigler
yeah
00:40:57
Ninja
Like, i'm I'm thinking about tight ends, and it's Zach Ertz is going to lead the room again, and he's got Jayden Daniels.
00:41:06
Ninja
Like, I'm not – I don't think I'm so far off, but it's a hot take because two guys who are – well, one of them is my guys – And that's shit.
00:41:17
Ninja
Yeah, it's just gross to begin with. But I'm on the outskirts here. But like, I think the Titan landscape, we said it's volatile. I said it's volatile.
00:41:27
Ninja
I think this is something that can realistically happen. And I wouldn't say it if I didn't believe it. I think this, like my top 10, I think has more of a chance of being exactly right than Kyle Pitts.
00:41:42
Ninja
and Travis Kelsey finishing in the top 10 juniors.
00:41:47
Lord Hinkie
to be honest, I don't think this take is super spicy. I see the avenue for both. Obviously Kyle Pitts has finished outside the top 10 the past two seasons.
00:41:58
Lord Hinkie
And then Travis Kelsey has, like we talked about before, kind of showed that continuous regression. I can see him definitely slipping outside the top 10. and But to kind of bring it back to the Michael Penix thing, I am a Michael Penix believer.
00:42:12
Lord Hinkie
I had him as my QB4 coming out that draft. I had him and Bo Nix had neck and neck. I like him as a player. I don't know if he's super, you know, high-scoring fantasy asset because he doesn't have any legs. He's not a runner. He's not a rusher.
00:42:27
Lord Hinkie
but I think he can sling it with the best of them. I love his accuracy. I love his form. He showed signs of being a very good quarterback. Obviously, my Kyle Pitts takes are also banking on Michael Penix being good, and I do believe he's going to be.
00:42:41
Lord Hinkie
But i I don't think this is a super hot take. you would have said top 15, would have been like, whoa, that's crazy. top 10, I can see them both finishing outside the top 12.
00:42:56
Lord Hinkie
I think Kyle Pitts going to do great this year, but... I don't think this is super hot.
00:43:02
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, I'm kind of right along.
00:43:02
Lord Hinkie
Zig.
00:43:03
Dakota Zeigler
I'm kind of right there with you. i don't think it's super spicy. I expected a little more fire out of this take when we knew it was
00:43:09
Lord Hinkie
I know. i thinking it was going to be like Kyle Pitts finishes as the tight end 38. whoa,
00:43:13
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah. He finishes below.
00:43:19
Lord Hinkie
whoa. whoa Don't you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby.
00:43:21
Dakota Zeigler
you know
00:43:26
Lord Hinkie
I'll do a cigar bet on that right now.
00:43:30
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, 18 nuts for Kelsey. I mean, strictly just like receptions.
00:43:35
Dakota Zeigler
yeah
00:43:37
Lord Hinkie
Okay. I'll do a cigar bet right now. Kyle Pitts over under tight end 15 and a half.
00:43:44
Lord Hinkie
All right, throw it in there.
00:43:47
Dakota Zeigler
Locking it in.
00:43:49
Lord Hinkie
I don't mean to derail this thing again, but, man, I'd love doing an effing podcast with you guys.
00:43:56
Dakota Zeigler
ah good good save good save
00:43:56
Lord Hinkie
So stupid and it's so fun.
00:43:59
Dakota Zeigler
fact that we're actually doing this.
00:44:02
Dakota Zeigler
We talked about this we were just like, we should do a pod. I was like, why not just pull the trick?
00:44:02
Lord Hinkie
nuts.
00:44:05
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, and we're like, yeah, okay. and
00:44:07
Dakota Zeigler
Why not just do it?
00:44:08
Lord Hinkie
And here we are.
00:44:08
Dakota Zeigler
And here we are. I love it.
00:44:09
Lord Hinkie
yeah We're talking about intros, but now background music, and we got listeners in the Netherlands. This is nuts. Anyways, Zig, get us back on track.
00:44:15
Dakota Zeigler
It's crazy.
00:44:19
Dakota Zeigler
So I got two big ones left here.
00:44:24
Lord Hinkie
I also have two. i don't know if they're super big, though, but they're fine.
00:44:28
Dakota Zeigler
Well, yeah, I had two fun ones. I shouldn't say they're super huge. But I'm going to go with, going to stick with the running back territory here. Chase Brown and Bucky Irving.
00:44:40
Dakota Zeigler
I'm doubling up here. I think they both will teeter around the running back, like back end running back to running back three, like 20 on.
Running Back Expectations and Surprises
00:44:52
Dakota Zeigler
on
00:44:53
Dakota Zeigler
So Chase Brown, Bucky Irving.
00:44:55
Lord Hinkie
Okay.
00:44:56
Dakota Zeigler
I mean, they're they're both in the top 12 right now.
00:44:57
Lord Hinkie
To disappoint.
00:44:59
Dakota Zeigler
I think they're going to disappoint. you We kind of talked about Bucky a little bit in the last pod with Rashad White. Rashad White's not a bad running back. They keep talking. He is hurt right now with a groin, but should be back before the season.
00:45:13
Dakota Zeigler
Sean Tucker, they like there. i think with Baker re-signed, they're willing to sling that ball a little bit more. And Bucky has his, you know, his...
00:45:21
Ninja
I guess I'm not going to be able to do that.
00:45:23
Dakota Zeigler
Quirks here, he's a good running back, but they want to give him the work, and they give him the work, and he looks like a mummy walking off the field, and then he didn't do much that next game.
00:45:24
Ninja
I'm not going to able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that.
00:45:33
Dakota Zeigler
Chase Brown is a guy i think is so overhyped right now. Now, I think the only thing going for Bucky Irving is that we saw how committed the Bengals were when Joe Mixon was there.
00:45:48
Dakota Zeigler
I mean, Joe Mixon could have a terrible game, and they stuck with it. If they do that with Chase Brown, okay. It may be higher than running back 20.
00:45:59
Dakota Zeigler
But at the same time, I just think they got Burrow, you got Chase, you got T. Higgins. I mean, unless they're going to pass it to Chase Brown certain times, I don't think he's that great. I don't know. I'm just not a Chase Brown believer here.
00:46:15
Dakota Zeigler
But I also think that there's 20 better running backs now I mean, I just made a hot take that there's going to be six rookies finishing within the top 24. And I think they're all going to be higher than 20.
00:46:28
Dakota Zeigler
So that's going to be six people that push him down. You got Saquon, Bijan, Gibbs, Henry, CMC, Gentry. There's 12 guys right there. I guess Gentry. So add Jacobs in there because Gentry's a rookie.
00:46:41
Dakota Zeigler
I mean, that pushes them out of the top 12 where they're being drafted. So, I mean, I think they're going to be... 20 or later, running back rankings, I think you're wasting a pick taking them in drafts at their current value right now.
00:46:57
Dakota Zeigler
I'm looking at dog drafts, and I don't think I have a share of either one. I can't bring myself to do it with be the players that are around. I can't do it.
00:47:06
Ninja
I don't hate it. I don't hate it. actually kind of like it little bit. It's growing on me. The more you were talking, the more I was getting involved with it.
00:47:15
Dakota Zeigler
yeah
00:47:15
Lord Hinkie
The more I'm saying it, the more I believe it. Yeah, like it.
00:47:20
Dakota Zeigler
I mean, they're just viewed as top guys right now, and I don't think either one of them top guys. I don't think either one of them we see in a couple years. I think they're going to get phased out pretty quick.
00:47:31
Dakota Zeigler
I...
00:47:32
Lord Hinkie
Sure, I guess you can say the dynasty aspect of the two running backs is probably going to be a short lifespan, a short shelf life, if you will.
00:47:33
Dakota Zeigler
They're...
00:47:43
Lord Hinkie
I think I half agree. I'm not a Bucky Irving guy. I think he definitely finishes outside the top 18 to 20. But i I don't see it for Chase Brown. I think Chase Brown is going to do exactly what he did last year.
00:47:54
Lord Hinkie
He's got no reason not to. didn't bring in any... Backup running back to even scare him for his job. Offense coordinator the same. Head coach the same. And Joe Burrow is still stud.
00:48:05
Lord Hinkie
They had Jamar Chase and T. Higgins last year. He still finishes as the RB10. I want the running back for really good offenses. And Chase Brown is the starting running back for a really good offense. So I see another top 12, top 15 finish easy.
00:48:20
Lord Hinkie
I'd be going the other way. I would say he's got a better chance of finishing top five than he does outside of top 24.
00:48:27
Lord Hinkie
I'll do another cigar bet on that. I don't know what it is, but...
00:48:32
Lord Hinkie
want to do...
00:48:32
Dakota Zeigler
mean, are are you going to go just top 12? 12 and a half?
00:48:35
Lord Hinkie
How about we do 15 and a half? I'll take the under. You take the over.
00:48:40
Dakota Zeigler
I'm down. I'm down to give it.
00:48:41
Lord Hinkie
Chase Brown, cigar bet.
00:48:42
Dakota Zeigler
I just don't think...
00:48:42
Lord Hinkie
Man, I'm going to be smoking. I'm going to be double fisting stogies in front of both of you the next time we hang out. Or I guess next season when we figure out if these bets win.
00:48:49
Ninja
I doubt that. I doubt that.
00:48:51
Lord Hinkie
I love it. I love him.
00:48:52
Dakota Zeigler
So
00:48:55
Lord Hinkie
So if he finishes outside the top 16 running backs, you win.
00:49:00
Dakota Zeigler
yeah, yep.
00:49:00
Lord Hinkie
I get 15 and under. Love it.
00:49:04
Ninja
Gary, I think that's a freebie, by the way.
00:49:07
Lord Hinkie
For me.
00:49:08
Ninja
Yeah.
00:49:09
Lord Hinkie
I like, isn't it? i thought it was awesome. Anyways, moving into my next hot take. I don't know how spicy this is, but kind of was researching, you know, the tight end landscape, and I'm not bringing it back to Kyle Anthony Pitts, so you can relax.
00:49:23
Ninja
Or you're bringing it back to one of my guys.
00:49:27
Lord Hinkie
No, I don't think it's going to be. it's It's a different guy.
00:49:28
Ninja
wow
00:49:30
Lord Hinkie
It's Trey McBride.
Trey McBride's Potential as TE1
00:49:33
Lord Hinkie
My hot take is that Trey McBride this season will have twice as many touchdowns as he did his entire NFL career so far.
00:49:45
Ninja
What's that?
00:49:46
Ninja
Six?
00:49:46
Lord Hinkie
For the record, he had six touchdowns the last, I think, two three years he's been in the NFL. The biggest thing for him is that he's a PPR guy, receptions guy, and he just can't score touchdowns.
00:49:51
Ninja
a two.
00:49:56
Lord Hinkie
like They don't look to him in the red zone. They give the ball to James Conner a lot. It is what it is. say this year they flipped the script. They flipped the narrative around Trey McBride.
00:50:07
Lord Hinkie
I think he finishes with 12 touchdowns. I think he probably finishes as the tight end one this year. That's my spicy hot take. Him, Brock Bowers, going to neck and neck for tight end one.
00:50:18
Lord Hinkie
Him, Brock Bowers, Kyle Pitts, all battling for the tight end one position this year. yeah, McBride, 10 plus touchdowns, easy. I'm going to guess 12 just to make it hot, just to turn the temperature up a little bit. But, you know, big touchdown progression from Trey McBride this year.
00:50:36
Lord Hinkie
Ninja.
00:50:36
Ninja
Yeah, only because you included two other names that shouldn't be included with Brock Bowers. I'm going to disagree with you. And apparently this is a hot take.
00:50:46
Ninja
Brock Bowers was the best tight end film I've ever seen in my entire life. Since doing scouting, since doing field work. Like, Brock Bowers was my number one. And I know I got a lot of crap when I said it's the best tight end film I've ever seen.
00:51:02
Ninja
And then he finishes his tight end one. And for you to put Trey McBride in that conversation is a spicy itself.
00:51:04
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:51:09
Ninja
But then you go and put some D-Gen's name up there. And this is gross. I love the Trey McBride getting a lot more touchdowns this year. I think 12 probably is a good line.
00:51:24
Ninja
I like that. I think I might take under, but like I'm at like 11, 10. Something like that.
00:51:29
Lord Hinkie
I had to make it spicy.
00:51:30
Ninja
i'm like that
00:51:32
Ninja
But I do like Trey McBride seeing a progression this year in touchdowns.
00:51:36
Lord Hinkie
Has to. I mean, he just has to.
00:51:38
Ninja
Yeah.
00:51:39
Lord Hinkie
Also, the throw in there, Brock Bowers, I believe, went bald now. So he has to have at least like plus five, plus ten strength in Madden.
00:51:45
Ninja
Yeah. Yeah, he's got that unk strength.
00:51:48
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, he's got the uncle strength. He's got the, oh, I don't want to mess with that guy strength. yeah, Brock Bowers is going to have a great year. This is not disrespect to Brock Bowers, but big Trey McBride guy.
00:52:01
Dakota Zeigler
I mean, wasn't his first touchdown of the year, Trey McBride's first one of the year, like a fumble recovery in the end zone?
00:52:08
Lord Hinkie
It yeah.
00:52:09
Dakota Zeigler
They couldn't get that guy a touchdown to save his life, so he had to just go jump on the ball, loose in the end zone to get a touchdown. It's got to be some positive regression for the
00:52:18
Dakota Zeigler
think there's positive regression across that whole offense.
00:52:18
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:52:21
Dakota Zeigler
i For Harrison, for Kyler, for James Conner, for Trey Benson, for McBride, I think they... they were decent last year. Don't get me wrong, but I think they all got to take a jump here.
00:52:35
Lord Hinkie
I have to.
00:52:35
Dakota Zeigler
Something's got to happen or they stink.
00:52:36
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, I mean, he didn't score his first touchdown until week 17.
00:52:39
Dakota Zeigler
Hmm.
00:52:41
Lord Hinkie
He went 16 straight weeks without a touchdown.
00:52:44
Ninja
crazy.
00:52:44
Lord Hinkie
And then a lot of these weeks, he's got 6, 7, 8, 12 catches, 100-plus yards in a lot of weeks, no touchdowns. That has to turn around.
00:52:54
Ninja
He lost me a lot of bets.
00:52:56
Lord Hinkie
Oh, yeah.
00:52:56
Dakota Zeigler
I mean, tight end two with no touchdowns to that late. I mean, could you imagine if he's only scored a couple touchdowns?
00:53:06
Lord Hinkie
yeah. I mean, he still would have been tight end, too, because of how good Brock Bowers was last season, but it would have been closer.
00:53:06
Dakota Zeigler
Like just...
00:53:12
Dakota Zeigler
Yes, yes.
00:53:13
Lord Hinkie
Actually, i want to look at the fantasy
00:53:13
Dakota Zeigler
I'm not saying...
00:53:16
Dakota Zeigler
It's just crazy what what they would have been putting up.
00:53:18
Lord Hinkie
points. 262, 248. he would have needed needed three more touchdowns. He would have outscored Brock Bowers last season.
00:53:25
Ninja
Yeah, but now Brock Bowers has Geno Smith, and that's a ridiculous upgrade compared to Aiden O'Connell or Gardner Minshew.
00:53:29
Lord Hinkie
It's a little bit of an upgrade.
00:53:34
Lord Hinkie
Mm-hmm. Yep. And no Devontae Adams. Oh, wait, no, he didn't have Devontae Adams last year either.
00:53:37
Ninja
Yes.
00:53:39
Lord Hinkie
He went the Jets.
00:53:39
Dakota Zeigler
No.
00:53:40
Lord Hinkie
Ignore me.
00:53:41
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:53:41
Ninja
Yeah.
00:53:42
Ninja
Yeah. I mean, you're right, because it still wouldn't have mattered.
00:53:46
Lord Hinkie
It is true, but it's also not relevant.
00:53:46
Dakota Zeigler
But here...
00:53:50
Dakota Zeigler
But they also have Gentry now.
00:53:50
Lord Hinkie
But it is true. Yeah.
00:53:53
Dakota Zeigler
They rely on that run game a little bit more, and Gentry will see some pass catching.
00:53:53
Lord Hinkie
They do have Jante.
00:53:53
Ninja
Like,
00:53:57
Ninja
Play action of Janty, though, is going to be insane.
00:53:58
Dakota Zeigler
Jacoby...
00:54:02
Lord Hinkie
Mm-hmm.
00:54:03
Dakota Zeigler
That's true. And I, you know, I think Jacoby Myers is underrated. Don't think he's a top guy by any means, but I mean, I think he's a solid guy who was there last year.
00:54:12
Lord Hinkie
I almost had Jacomi Myers as a my guy.
00:54:13
Dakota Zeigler
i
00:54:15
Dakota Zeigler
yeah.
00:54:16
Ninja
He might be top 24 this year, and that's no joke.
00:54:18
Lord Hinkie
I liked him a lot.
00:54:19
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:54:19
Lord Hinkie
value is just so good right now. I mean, obviously, we're all doing a lot of underdog drafts.
00:54:22
Ninja
I think you can get him at
00:54:25
Lord Hinkie
He's like wide receiver, like 45, 44, whatever it is.
00:54:25
Dakota Zeigler
Oh yeah.
00:54:27
Ninja
Yeah, take them.
00:54:28
Dakota Zeigler
So late.
00:54:29
Ninja
Take them. Yeah.
00:54:29
Dakota Zeigler
So late.
00:54:30
Lord Hinkie
Just incredible value.
00:54:33
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah. And number two there being Trey Tucker.
00:54:34
Lord Hinkie
right, I think we're back around the. Yeah, like there's no one, no battle for him at all.
00:54:37
Dakota Zeigler
Like, there's just no one there.
00:54:42
Lord Hinkie
We know exactly what that offense is going to be.
00:54:42
Dakota Zeigler
So...
00:54:44
Lord Hinkie
It's just the only question is how efficient is it? We know Geno's going to be okay. We know Gentry's going to be great. We know Breck Bauer's going to be great. And we know Jacoby Meyer's going to be good. It's just how far up the scale do they increase or decrease? you I think good.
00:54:59
Dakota Zeigler
one One more thing here, sticking with this. Is the AFC West and my Broncos in the hardest division of football?
00:55:07
Dakota Zeigler
I mean...
00:55:07
Ninja
No.
00:55:09
Lord Hinkie
I would say the NFC North is the hardest division in football.
00:55:12
Ninja
Yes.
00:55:12
Dakota Zeigler
right, that's fair. That's fair.
00:55:14
Lord Hinkie
But you guys are probably second.
00:55:15
Ninja
Very good take.
00:55:17
Lord Hinkie
Probably second.
00:55:19
Dakota Zeigler
I mean, it's...
00:55:19
Ninja
I would argue third.
00:55:22
Lord Hinkie
Who else you got?
00:55:22
Dakota Zeigler
Ooh.
00:55:23
Ninja
AFC North is a minefield, bro.
00:55:27
Lord Hinkie
Oh, Bills, Miami, New England. Then the Jets, though.
00:55:32
Dakota Zeigler
I
00:55:32
Ninja
think I think you see a lot of progression out of those guys. And I'm like, that's no joke.
00:55:35
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:55:37
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:55:38
Lord Hinkie
But also the Bills have to be like minus 200 to win that division. Like I think if – like I don't know what the odds are right now to win the AFC West with like the Broncos, Chiefs,
00:55:50
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:55:52
Ninja
First off, AFC North is Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Cincinnati, that division.
00:55:56
Lord Hinkie
Oh, I was thinking another – oh, I was thinking the AFC East.
00:55:58
Ninja
Yeah, I mean, I agree with you.
00:55:59
Lord Hinkie
I'm sorry.
00:55:59
Ninja
I think a AFC East is tough, but AFC North is Baltimore. Bengals, tough. Steelers, I think they're going to be okay this season. And they're going to do Steelers fashion and win games they shouldn't and lose games they shouldn't as well.
00:56:16
Ninja
Like that as a Steelers identity and the Browns are going to sneak a couple. Cause I think, I think they're good enough on defense and you added Quinchon Junkins and Dylan Sampson.
00:56:27
Ninja
I think it's, and I have one more hot take and it's part of one of those divisions.
00:56:35
Lord Hinkie
I would say just go ahead and give it right there, buddy.
00:56:38
Dakota Zeigler
Rip it. Yep.
00:56:38
Ninja
I, uh, Someone not drafted in the first round of this past draft is going win Rookie of the Year.
Rookie of the Year Predictions: Shador Sanders
00:56:46
Ninja
Wink, wink. It's Shador Sanders if he starts.
00:56:50
Ninja
And I've been a Shador guy since this last draft. I think this QB class sucked. But I think Shador is by far the best quarterback in this draft. pro I think he was electric. Even against the Eagles defense.
00:57:04
Ninja
He looked good, but then he got that oblique strain, whatever it was. I'm not sure what it was, but if he's good to go week one and they actually start him week one, as they should, because why are you starting Joe Flacco?
00:57:18
Ninja
Like, either rebuild or get over it. Like, don't be a tweener, but if he starts 17 games this season, Shadur Sanders will win Offensive Rookie of the Year.
00:57:30
Lord Hinkie
I think the hottest part of that take is that he'll start 17 games.
00:57:35
Ninja
I'm hoping, man.
00:57:36
Lord Hinkie
I think if you are the Browns and you're committing to a rebuild, sure. You know, should there you know, but...
00:57:45
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:57:47
Lord Hinkie
I just – I don't see it happening. I think Flacco is probably going to at least six to eight weeks. And then even if they throw to him at the end of the year, like if they let Sanders just have the reins, and then even if he performs well, I have a tough time seeing him beat out Gentie, Hampton, Tet, Travis Hunter for, like, rookie of the year.
00:58:06
Lord Hinkie
i think it'd be a tough, tough ask. He would have to start – he'd have to start 15 games probably and perform well.
00:58:12
Ninja
I'm so glad you didn't say cam ward because I would have had to travel down two hours tonight and beat your ass.
00:58:16
Lord Hinkie
Now, I don't –
00:58:21
Dakota Zeigler
Yep.
00:58:24
Dakota Zeigler
yeah
00:58:24
Ninja
But like, I see where you're at, but I like, that's the reason it's, it's a hot take.
00:58:25
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:58:29
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:58:30
Ninja
Cause like, I love Gentie.
00:58:30
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. It's it's a hot take.
00:58:31
Ninja
I love a Marin Hampton, but like, it's, let's be honest. All awards are QB awards.
00:58:36
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, it is.
00:58:37
Dakota Zeigler
yeah
00:58:38
Lord Hinkie
I think if we're throwing in the fact that he – say he starts week one and he does play 17 games, I think there's a very realistic chance he does win rookie of the year.
00:58:50
Lord Hinkie
I think the Browns have get a good offensive line. I like Judy. I like Njoku. I like Judkins, obviously, we like we talked about before. I don't hate him winning Rookie the Year. I just don't see him playing 17 games.
00:59:03
Dakota Zeigler
I mean, everyone on what it feels like everyone on the Browns is doing everything to keep Shadr off the field. I mean, is just kind of the feeling I get. And he's hurt right now.
00:59:16
Dakota Zeigler
So he's not going to play.
00:59:17
Ninja
He's been the best quarterback in preseason.
00:59:17
Dakota Zeigler
It doesn't look like.
00:59:20
Ninja
By far.
00:59:20
Dakota Zeigler
oh I don't disagree.
00:59:21
Ninja
And in training camp.
00:59:23
Lord Hinkie
Behind Tanner McKee.
00:59:23
Dakota Zeigler
i don't disagree. Oh, here we go.
00:59:26
Ninja
I didn't bring the Eagles into this. And don't get there tonight. let's not Let's not roll down that bucket of worms.
00:59:32
Lord Hinkie
Tanner McKee. That's what I'm going
00:59:36
Dakota Zeigler
But everything you keep seeing out of the Browns is that they're going every which direction but admitting that he's the best.
00:59:44
Dakota Zeigler
I don't think the Browns want to believe it, to be honest. I don't know. Because if they would just give the guy the reins, we know Kenny Pickett's not an answer.
00:59:55
Dakota Zeigler
You know Joe Flacco's not an answer. But yet they're still saying, hey, these are the starters. This is going to be our guys. you They drafted Dylan Gabriel higher. But Shader keeps performing.
01:00:07
Dakota Zeigler
And they just keep kind of pushing him aside. So until we see him.
01:00:11
Ninja
Tape, don't lie, bro. I told you.
01:00:12
Lord Hinkie
Very weird situation.
01:00:13
Ninja
Tape,
01:00:13
Lord Hinkie
and
01:00:14
Dakota Zeigler
And sno Snoop Huntley. They brought in
01:00:16
Ninja
Yeah, they now have six quarterbacks. Very weird.
01:00:19
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
01:00:19
Dakota Zeigler
with Deshaun Watson still thing. They have six quarterbacks. That's the thing.
01:00:23
Lord Hinkie
I think Snoop Dogg is just a locker room guy, though.
01:00:23
Ninja
I think they deal...
01:00:24
Dakota Zeigler
and they if they believe
01:00:26
Dakota Zeigler
If they believed they wouldn't have brought in another guy.
01:00:27
Ninja
They deal...
01:00:30
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
01:00:30
Dakota Zeigler
They should.
01:00:30
Lord Hinkie
I think Snoop D-O-W-G is probably just a locker room guy, though, if I had to bet. You know good vibes.
01:00:37
Dakota Zeigler
Good vibes.
01:00:37
Lord Hinkie
making everybody chill out back there, you know, keep everybody in the right head space, if you will.
01:00:42
Dakota Zeigler
Nice and relaxed.
01:00:43
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. Zig, you got any more hot takes for us?
01:00:46
Dakota Zeigler
I got one more, and I know I'm going to get crap for this one.
01:00:49
Lord Hinkie
Here we go.
01:00:52
Dakota Zeigler
The Jaguars, baby. This may be my sleeper team here. I guess. I don't know.
01:00:57
Lord Hinkie
Oh, God.
Jaguars' Offensive Potential and Bet Wagers
01:00:59
Dakota Zeigler
They are going to be a top...
01:00:59
Ninja
Turn off the podcast.
01:01:02
Dakota Zeigler
They are going to be... I will hit the button for you guys when I bring up the Jaguars.
01:01:09
Dakota Zeigler
There you They will be a top 10 scoring offense this year. A top 12 leap for T-Law.
01:01:09
Lord Hinkie
Oh, my
01:01:15
Lord Hinkie
God.
01:01:16
Dakota Zeigler
He has the best weapons of his career. I said it again. The great head coach in Liam Cohen. The defense is slightly improved, but still not great. I mean... They're going to have to sling it. They're going to have to get the ball down the field. They're going to have to score to win. Their defense isn't going to let them win.
01:01:32
Dakota Zeigler
Like we talked about the Steelers, you know, how their defense is decent and may pull out some wins. I don't think their defense is going to win any games for them. They're going to have to do it on the offensive side.
01:01:42
Ninja
And who said they're going to win games?
01:01:42
Dakota Zeigler
But for the record, they've been like a top like the scoring offense last year. So,
01:01:54
Dakota Zeigler
And I'm a big ETN guy. i I think you're going to see a three-headed monster there at running back.
01:01:56
Ninja
So...
01:01:58
Lord Hinkie
Just say Tank Bigsby.
01:01:58
Dakota Zeigler
so I can't, dude.
01:02:01
Ninja
Like...
01:02:01
Dakota Zeigler
I can't.
01:02:03
Lord Hinkie
He's so much better.
01:02:03
Ninja
I don't understand...
01:02:05
Lord Hinkie
So much better.
01:02:06
Dakota Zeigler
Bayshall Tootin.
01:02:07
Ninja
I don't understand... Like...
01:02:08
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:09
Ninja
Bashaw Tootin's a good shout.
01:02:10
Dakota Zeigler
I'll take him. I'll take him over.
01:02:12
Ninja
But you guys are...
01:02:13
Dakota Zeigler
tank Not a tank guy.
01:02:16
Ninja
I guess I'm going to be this guy because I'm always this guy. You guys are putting so many eggs in the hat on Travis Hunter actually being better on ah offense.
01:02:24
Lord Hinkie
i I do think he's going to be.
01:02:25
Ninja
I don't see it. ah ah He's... So Gary, when we did evals...
01:02:30
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
01:02:32
Ninja
Undoubtedly, Travis Hunter is the best corner in this draft.
01:02:35
Lord Hinkie
I agree.
01:02:37
Ninja
Not undoubtedly. Not undoubtedly. He's maybe a top four wide receiver. Maybe.
01:02:43
Lord Hinkie
ah He's a top three wide receiver in his draft class.
01:02:45
Ninja
No shot.
01:02:46
Lord Hinkie
Oh, he is.
01:02:47
Ninja
I had him at seven. I was trying to be generous for you.
01:02:50
Lord Hinkie
he's ah ah He's a top three wide receiver in this draft class.
01:02:50
Ninja
No shot.
01:02:52
Lord Hinkie
He won best college wide receiver award last season in Colorado.
01:02:57
Ninja
College awards don't mean anything.
01:02:57
Lord Hinkie
Over Ted. I mean, we're talking about tape. We're talking about production. That's what a wide receiver is. He He he was the best wide receiver in football last season.
01:03:04
Ninja
I saw the tape. No, he was not. It was that bad offense.
01:03:09
Dakota Zeigler
I hear...
01:03:09
Lord Hinkie
That Shador Sanders was running, and you love Shador Sanders.
01:03:10
Ninja
It was Shadur Sanders. Yeah.
01:03:13
Ninja
I do love Shadur Sanders.
01:03:14
Lord Hinkie
Who was he throwing the ball to?
01:03:14
Ninja
he he He was rocks. That's who he was throwing to.
01:03:21
Lord Hinkie
Come
01:03:21
Ninja
I don't understand the Travis Hunter hype at wide receiver.
01:03:23
Lord Hinkie
Come on.
01:03:24
Ninja
I just don't get it. And i I'm on this train alone.
01:03:26
Dakota Zeigler
Damien, where are you ranking Travis Hunter?
01:03:27
Lord Hinkie
Don't play. Don't play dumb with me.
01:03:31
Ninja
Play dumb.
01:03:32
Lord Hinkie
yeah yeah You're going to tell me he wasn't.
01:03:34
Ninja
Oh, God.
01:03:35
Lord Hinkie
travis I mean, that offense last season for Colorado was Shador Sanders throwing the ball to Travis.
01:03:37
Ninja
I said he was top seven wide receiver.
01:03:40
Lord Hinkie
He's top three.
01:03:41
Ninja
He's top seven. No, no shot.
01:03:42
Lord Hinkie
He's top three. That's crazy.
01:03:45
Ninja
No way.
01:03:46
Lord Hinkie
Crazy.
01:03:47
Dakota Zeigler
Travis Hunter right now on Fantasy Pros is ranked the 31st wide receiver around him.
01:03:54
Lord Hinkie
That's a value.
01:03:54
Ninja
Insane ranking.
01:03:54
Lord Hinkie
It's
01:03:57
Dakota Zeigler
So I'm going to start at 28. the 28th wide receiver McMillan.
01:04:05
Dakota Zeigler
twenty nine as george george pickens
01:04:05
Ninja
Give me Tett.
01:04:08
Ninja
Give me George Pickens.
01:04:10
Dakota Zeigler
calvin ridley
01:04:11
Ninja
That's gross. I don't like that either way.
01:04:14
Dakota Zeigler
Travis Hunter at 31. Behind him, Jerry Judy.
01:04:18
Lord Hinkie
Easy.
01:04:18
Dakota Zeigler
my My guy, Jalen Waddell.
01:04:19
Ninja
gross.
01:04:22
Ninja
Jalen Waddle easily. Jalen Waddle could finish top 10 this year.
01:04:24
Dakota Zeigler
Chris Godwin. Dude,
01:04:27
Ninja
Chris Godwin easily. Not close.
01:04:28
Dakota Zeigler
I'm telling you, the value on him at 33.
01:04:30
Lord Hinkie
guess I haven't played 12 games this year.
01:04:33
Ninja
He's going to...
01:04:33
Dakota Zeigler
Debo's right behind him.
01:04:33
Ninja
Alright. Cigar bet right now. Chris Godwin outproduces Travis Hunter this year in fantasy.
01:04:39
Dakota Zeigler
yeah I'm typing it. Are you not taking that Gary?
01:04:43
Lord Hinkie
Sign me up, buddy. Sign me up.
01:04:44
Dakota Zeigler
I was going to say, are you not taking that?
01:04:46
Lord Hinkie
Sign me up.
01:04:47
Ninja
I don't understand the hype.
01:04:47
Lord Hinkie
I went i went in three cigars. I don't have enough room in my math for how many cigars going smoking.
01:04:54
Ninja
This isn't... I don't understand. If he played DB or if he actually got drafted by...
01:04:59
Lord Hinkie
He's going to play DB.
01:05:02
Ninja
If he was on the Browns, it'd be a different story.
01:05:05
Ninja
He's not.
01:05:07
Lord Hinkie
He's playing for a better offense, better quarterback.
01:05:07
Dakota Zeigler
So here's,
01:05:10
Ninja
No.
01:05:12
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
01:05:12
Ninja
I want the more opportunities with the Browns.
01:05:15
Lord Hinkie
think he's going get the same.
01:05:15
Dakota Zeigler
So here's the thing.
01:05:17
Ninja
They need him more at DB than they do at wide receiver.
Wide Receiver Comparisons and Debates
01:05:21
Lord Hinkie
i don't think so.
01:05:21
Ninja
They're just letting...
01:05:21
Lord Hinkie
they're Who's the wide receiver three after Brian Thomas and Travis Hunter? name him off top your
01:05:27
Dakota Zeigler
Parker.
01:05:29
Lord Hinkie
Parker Washington. And I'm Penn Stater.
01:05:29
Ninja
Thank you.
01:05:29
Dakota Zeigler
Parker.
01:05:30
Lord Hinkie
He stinks.
01:05:31
Ninja
Let's go State. Let's go State.
01:05:33
Dakota Zeigler
Hold on.
01:05:33
Lord Hinkie
He's not a wide receiver, too.
01:05:33
Ninja
Deami Brown.
01:05:34
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
01:05:35
Dakota Zeigler
Timeout. Timeout. Timeout. I literally did the same thing the beginning of the year. I asked who the third wide receiver was in that podcast, and you guys correct me Parker Washington.
01:05:46
Dakota Zeigler
for It's just crazy how fast you forget that name.
01:05:49
Dakota Zeigler
Love the guy.
01:05:49
Lord Hinkie
yeah
01:05:51
Ninja
I don't.
01:05:52
Dakota Zeigler
eh, eh.
01:05:53
Lord Hinkie
He's not great. I mean, I'm a Penn Stater and he's not. if If they didn't have Travis Hunter and he was their wide receiver too, I would say, man, that sucks.
01:05:56
Ninja
I'm just saying...
01:06:01
Dakota Zeigler
Here's my question though I want to go back Damien you're a Ted McMillan guy You like Bryce Young Gary You're a big Travis Hunter guy
01:06:13
Lord Hinkie
Yep.
01:06:13
Dakota Zeigler
I like T-Law. I'm not going to say you do. Who are you taking there, Gary? Are you still taking T-Law over Travis or over Ted McMillan? Not T-Law. Sorry.
01:06:23
Dakota Zeigler
You're taking Travis Hunter.
01:06:24
Lord Hinkie
well
01:06:25
Dakota Zeigler
I messed that up bad. Are you taking Travis Hunter or Ted McMillan? Landing spots now. Who's going to finish higher?
01:06:33
Lord Hinkie
For this season, like this year,
01:06:34
Dakota Zeigler
This season. This year.
01:06:38
Lord Hinkie
I'd probably still say Tet finishes higher than Travis Hunter because I still like Bryce Young, but I still really like Travis Hunter as well.
01:06:47
Dakota Zeigler
Because think they're going to end up close,
01:06:50
Dakota Zeigler
think they're going to end up close. So that that was going to be my question. That was going to be my cigar bet. I was going to see who wanted to take that one. And then Damien said he'd take Chris Godwin, so I'm smashing Chris Godwin there.
01:06:58
Lord Hinkie
yeah
01:07:02
Dakota Zeigler
Hot take on a hot take pod.
01:07:02
Ninja
He's a better corner. He's not a great, he's a good wide receiver. Not great.
01:07:09
Lord Hinkie
Oh man.
01:07:09
Ninja
He's one of the best defensive backs I've seen come out in the draft. Not a wide receiver though.
01:07:16
Dakota Zeigler
misses attack on Caleb Williams. Or not, oh my, Caleb Johnson. Goodness.
01:07:22
Lord Hinkie
He's a corner.
01:07:23
Ninja
Gets bodied by elite guy.
01:07:24
Lord Hinkie
That,
01:07:25
Ninja
or every time elite guy, or played peak that pod.
01:07:28
Lord Hinkie
That was the best tape. like a Epic Alumainer had.
01:07:31
Ninja
oh of yeah Oh my gosh.
01:07:36
Dakota Zeigler
Been snagging him in late, late dog drafts.
01:07:36
Ninja
Come on.
01:07:38
Dakota Zeigler
Been snagging him.
01:07:41
Ninja
You're welcome.
01:07:42
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, appreciate that. I'll send you some cash when I win.
01:07:46
Ninja
Okay. That's fine.
01:07:50
Ninja
Yeah, but Travis Hunter stuff, I like him, but it seems like I don't.
01:07:50
Dakota Zeigler
It's like a dad
01:07:54
Ninja
It's just that the value so high.
01:07:57
Lord Hinkie
See, I really don't think it is. i mean, wide receiver 30, 31 underdog drafts right now is like – I don't – that's not even –
01:08:02
Dakota Zeigler
tag. 31.
01:08:04
Ninja
Yeah, but we're talking like, like I'm taking a Mecca at Buka over Travis Hunter.
01:08:04
Dakota Zeigler
Fantasy pros rankings.
01:08:11
Ninja
And it's not close. I know the situation stinks, but like as a player, give me a Mecca all day over Travis Hunter at wide receiver.
01:08:21
Dakota Zeigler
I mean, that's fair. Emeka Mbuka is going to be a stud.
01:08:25
Lord Hinkie
I do like Ibuka, so I don't want it to make it seem like I don't like Ibuka, but I just don't.
01:08:25
Ninja
I agree. i said such things.
01:08:32
Ninja
And then you have to throw in
01:08:34
Ninja
A guy who's in the range would be Luther Burden. Now you're talking Travis Hunter range. It's after my top two, which is Tett and Emeka Ibuka.
01:08:46
Ninja
You had to Luther Burden and then my guys, which I'm going to take over Travis Hunter. But it's you're in that range now. And then would you rather Luther Burden or Chris Godwin, right?
01:08:59
Ninja
You're probably going to say Chris Godwin.
01:09:00
Lord Hinkie
I mean, yeah, you'd rather Chris Godwin.
01:09:02
Dakota Zeigler
right.
01:09:03
Ninja
And they're in the same range for me. So why would I not take Chris Godwin over Travis Hunter?
01:09:08
Lord Hinkie
I get it. I mean, I understand what you're saying.
01:09:09
Ninja
That's the range I'm thinking about.
01:09:11
Lord Hinkie
I understand what you're saying. I just i disagree. I just think Travis Hunter is above all of those guys.
Travis Hunter's Dual Role and Betting Excitement
01:09:18
Lord Hinkie
I think he's an incredible talent. think he showed that at Colorado. i showed that at Jacksonville State.
01:09:22
Lord Hinkie
He came out his high school draft class or his high school recruiting class as number one player in the country. He stayed the number one player in the country. his entire time in college, came into the draft, number two overall pick. The only reason he's not the number one is because Tennessee needed a quarterback.
01:09:39
Lord Hinkie
He's an incredible talent, an incredible player, and I'm not going to be the guy who misses out on what Travis Hunter could be. So I'm baking on him.
01:09:47
Ninja
See, I don't, I love Travis Hunter.
01:09:51
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
01:09:51
Ninja
Just not a wide receiver. I think he's a legendary corner prospect. Legendary.
01:09:55
Lord Hinkie
Could be. Could be.
01:09:57
Ninja
Up with the best of them. I'm not on wide receiver, chart and I know we're a fantasy podcast here mainly. But like football-wise, Travis Hunter at corner is one of the best corners I've ever seen.
01:10:07
Ninja
Hands down. At wide receiver, it's different.
01:10:10
Dakota Zeigler
So to to bring it, to bring us back on track here, Damian, would you like my take better than if I said a ah ah top 10 scoring team for all the pick sixes that Travis Hunter is going to bring?
01:10:11
Ninja
I don't know.
01:10:25
Ninja
I probably like that more, yeah? Because I
01:10:28
Lord Hinkie
That would be a fun ah wrinkle in fantasy football.
01:10:28
Ninja
T-Law is
01:10:31
Lord Hinkie
like Can I get Travis Hunter fantasy points if he has a pick six?
01:10:34
Dakota Zeigler
Yes, that's how it's set. If he scores a touchdown, now a pick won't count for anything, but the touchdown on the defensive side, it's six points.
01:10:38
Lord Hinkie
like if you Yeah.
01:10:41
Lord Hinkie
But if he scores a touchdown defensively, that's incredible.
01:10:47
Lord Hinkie
it's rarity.
01:10:47
Dakota Zeigler
When I was looking in the settings, that's how most default leagues are set.
01:10:48
Lord Hinkie
know it's a rarity.
01:10:51
Lord Hinkie
It's just if he scores a touchdown. See, like, obviously it's a rarity to have a pick six in general, let alone pick the exact actual player that scores the pick six.
01:10:53
Dakota Zeigler
Yep.
01:11:00
Lord Hinkie
But I think, you know, there's a
01:11:02
Dakota Zeigler
How many pick sixes is Travis Hunter going to have this year?
01:11:03
Lord Hinkie
That'd be fun.
01:11:06
Dakota Zeigler
Let's throw a number out there. I want to see if I can bet it.
01:11:07
Lord Hinkie
it the
01:11:08
Ninja
none over under 0.5 now
01:11:09
Lord Hinkie
One and a half over under. Like it. Yeah, it's super rare.
01:11:16
Dakota Zeigler
Smashing it.
01:11:18
Lord Hinkie
To be honest, I would take the over.
01:11:20
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
01:11:22
Ninja
if picks is pick sixes is different like that's no no
01:11:27
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. That'd be fun little bet.
01:11:31
Lord Hinkie
Can Travis Hunter win offensive and defensive rookie of the year in the same year? is Is he eligible for both? Because I want it.
01:11:39
Ninja
No, he won't be.
01:11:41
Lord Hinkie
um I'll bet both of them.
01:11:43
Ninja
You will?
01:11:44
Dakota Zeigler
go off Offensive rookie of the year and defensive rookie in year, is that where you're at?
01:11:45
Lord Hinkie
I would.
01:11:45
Ninja
I'll put a guard bet on that.
01:11:48
Lord Hinkie
Teddy wins both.
01:11:50
Lord Hinkie
He won me just the Hadeus cigar.
01:11:54
Ninja
I mean, it cancels out one of the ones I'm giving you.
01:11:56
Lord Hinkie
That would just be so fun.
01:11:58
Ninja
Yeah, I'm fine with it.
01:11:58
Lord Hinkie
That would just be so fun.
01:12:01
Dakota Zeigler
they're both rookies of the year or a thousand odds right now. Plus a thousand.
01:12:06
Lord Hinkie
so you can actually bet him to get the offensive and defensive rookie of the year.
01:12:09
Dakota Zeigler
And root yeah, I'm looking at it right now.
01:12:11
Lord Hinkie
That's incredible.
01:12:11
Dakota Zeigler
You can bet them for both.
01:12:12
Lord Hinkie
and That's just so fun.
01:12:14
Dakota Zeigler
Can you parlay him?
01:12:14
Lord Hinkie
Anyways, let's...
01:12:15
Dakota Zeigler
I'm going to see if I can parlay him together.
01:12:18
Ninja
It's the grossest thing I ever heard.
01:12:19
Dakota Zeigler
No, I won't let me thing.
01:12:20
Lord Hinkie
That's so nasty.
01:12:21
Lord Hinkie
Oh, good.
01:12:23
Lord Hinkie
Just won't leave burn money. All
01:12:25
Dakota Zeigler
One more thing in this betting and segment.
Podcast Plans and Listener Engagement
01:12:27
Dakota Zeigler
Hey, watch out for future pods here. I think we're going weekly after this. am Am I right here, boys? I think that's the goal is for us to go weekly.
01:12:34
Lord Hinkie
Yep. Mm-hmm.
01:12:35
Dakota Zeigler
And we're going to start trying to get some betting segments.
01:12:36
Lord Hinkie
You're going to be hearing a lot more of us.
01:12:43
Dakota Zeigler
But we're going to have some betting segments coming out to you guys. And i just want to bring up this Travis Hunter and betting one more thing here. Is he going to be like the guy I have to bet plus two touchdowns on every week just because he has that little bit of an extra chance on both sides of the ball?
01:12:58
Ninja
No! but No! what
01:13:02
Dakota Zeigler
Just wanted to get him stirred up.
01:13:03
Ninja
You're throwing money away!
01:13:05
Lord Hinkie
Why got to get them all worked up like that?
01:13:06
Ninja
oh my gosh. End this podcast.
01:13:08
Lord Hinkie
It's so late at night.
01:13:08
Dakota Zeigler
I had to.
01:13:09
Ninja
What are we doing?
01:13:09
Lord Hinkie
He barely got any sleep and now you're get them all worked up.
01:13:10
Ninja
Jesus.
01:13:14
Ninja
This guy. He knows how to hit my buttons and it's not even fun anymore.
01:13:15
Lord Hinkie
All right.
01:13:18
Lord Hinkie
Why not?
01:13:19
Dakota Zeigler
I know how to hit your buttons and whenever we play Madden or so or college football, this kid can read me. He literally could just sit there with his eyes closed and probably destroy me by 70 points every game. Yeah, we know each other a little.
01:13:31
Dakota Zeigler
We know each other.
01:13:31
Ninja
to video games, I got you spanked. And it's not close.
01:13:36
Dakota Zeigler
The kid just usually alerts me. He knows my slant every play, so.
01:13:41
Lord Hinkie
you're predictable all right fellas the real it back in here we have any more hot takes i'm all out there any before we want to finish out the pod zig anything
01:13:43
Dakota Zeigler
All right, let's.
01:13:48
Ninja
I'm good. I'm good.
01:13:50
Dakota Zeigler
I, I, ah the the only thing I have, it's not terribly spicy and it's, it's kind of a, I'd say my guy, i like the kid. I'm wishing him the best. I think Javante Williams is going to be the starting running back for the Cowboys all year long.
01:14:05
Dakota Zeigler
I think there's going to be a running back by committee.
01:14:06
Ninja
I mean...
01:14:08
Dakota Zeigler
Committee. Goodness. We need to end this by committee. But I think he's going to just see the starting work just because he's the only solid guy there. Sanders is hurt. I like Jane Blue to be the mixing guy.
01:14:19
Dakota Zeigler
ah Phil Moffa may be a guy for the future to keep your ears on, but probably not.
01:14:24
Ninja
Throw a pillow out there. They might start for the Dallas Cowboys. Gary, send it out, brother.
01:14:29
Lord Hinkie
It's fair. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it's a terrible take. Sure. don't want any Dallas Cowboy at all. Period.
01:14:37
Ninja
Nope.
01:14:39
Lord Hinkie
And that's been known. That's been out. That's been out there on the streets, but I got nothing left. Thank you guys for listening to the hot takes podcast as Zig shows off his old Denver Bronco, Javante Williams jersey that he got from a very nice friend of his.
01:14:55
Dakota Zeigler
Oh wait, hold on here. my My other friend got me one too. That one's sitting right here as well. I got two of these things sitting in my house.
01:14:55
Lord Hinkie
But yes,
01:15:00
Lord Hinkie
and so That's incredible.
01:15:01
Dakota Zeigler
I love them. Love that guy.
01:15:04
Lord Hinkie
That's incredible. But yeah, that's all we got for you guys today. Thanks for tuning in to the hot takes podcast. This is always, you know, a fun one to do for us in general, but also I think the the listeners get a, you know, ah a nice look into the, what's going on in our heads a lot.
01:15:19
Lord Hinkie
They're in the off season for fantasy football. And I want to thank Ninja himself for even having the hot takes, having the cojones to throw them out there and to stand and by them.
01:15:30
Lord Hinkie
And that's the reason we have this podcast here today. Yes, give him a round of applause for sure. i mean, the guy's a stud. You heard Nico Collins take earlier. He gave me that same one three years ago, and here we are.
01:15:42
Lord Hinkie
We're talking about you Nico Collins is now a first-round redraft pick. Back then, he was you a waiver pickup. So there's a reason you tune it in because we know what we're talking about.
01:15:53
Lord Hinkie
But, Zig, before we head to the big fella himself, anything to say to the people before we head out of here today?
01:15:59
Dakota Zeigler
and Just appreciate everyone listening in. Don't forget to hit us up on the socials. And like I said, stay tuned in. We're going weekly here from here on out. Uh, we're also going to be trying to add some more stuff over to our other podcast, the ZNG after dark pod. So we're going to to get some stuff pushed out on there.
01:16:17
Dakota Zeigler
Just more of us bantering, some fun kickbacks, uh, unedited stuff. So, uh, Be prepared when you're listening that one, but kick back and relax at the same time. you We're going to have some fun here.
01:16:28
Dakota Zeigler
Got some big things moving forward. I'm just excited to spend this football season. We're going to be getting some games hanging out together, sitting and chatting in real life, placing bets in real life, and then coming live on here.
01:16:42
Dakota Zeigler
There's going to be weeks. ah We're going to be talking every week on this pod.
01:16:46
Dakota Zeigler
Every week. I mean, i couldn't talk every week. couldn't talk every week on a podcast with anyone else like like any any listeners out there who are thinking i need to chat my boys more start a podcast i have no not one bit this phenomenal
01:16:46
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
01:17:03
Lord Hinkie
Zero. This this is probably the best decision we've ever made as a group together. I'm glad we do it. I look forward to these every single time they're in my calendar.
01:17:12
Lord Hinkie
The fact that we're going weekly is just incredible. I'm going to love going through the year with you boys agreeing and disagreeing with you the whole time. And i'm I'm excited to see how it goes. But Ninja, what do you got for us?
01:17:24
Ninja
Yeah, lacked a little bit of energy today. I would have had a lot more fire when that Kyle Pitts bullcrap was a on this podcast. But anyways, guys, I do appreciate you all for listening. And the All Formats kind of dropped it. We're going to do a live podcast with those fellas a few weeks from now. So be on the lookout for that.
01:17:45
Ninja
It'll be nice to chat it up with ah All Formats crew as me and Gary were once members of that crew. but But I think...
01:17:52
Lord Hinkie
Feels like ages ago.
01:17:54
Ninja
God, it's so long ago. I feel like we got a good home now. And we all love doing this.
01:17:58
Lord Hinkie
Mm-hmm.
01:17:59
Ninja
So it's nice to, you know, chat with the boys. And now it's going to be a weekly
Collaborations and Podcast Future
01:18:03
Ninja
thing. So you can't escape my awful takes all year.
01:18:06
Lord Hinkie
Nope.
01:18:07
Ninja
We're locked in now. It's just good to be on with the boys. and Hot Takes is was kind of my baby. You'll notice the name if you listened to previous podcasts. It was not mentioned today. i still love him. I'll still talk about him.
01:18:24
Ninja
but He was not included today.
01:18:26
Ninja
If you want to chat up in the streets about who it is, your waiver pickup of the year, give me a shout. I'll hook you up.
01:18:34
Dakota Zeigler
Mm-hmm.
01:18:36
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, I think I can think of a guy. But before we know go on for another half an hour, I think we should probably end this thing. But like Ninja said, tune in a couple weeks from now. We're going to be doing a collab podcast with the All Formats podcast themselves.
01:18:52
Lord Hinkie
It's going to live record. We're going to doing some fun things. So tune into that one. That's going to be a blast. Let alone for us, hopefully for the listeners. But, you know, hopefully by then it's, you know, actually entertaining and not just a bunch of drunk guys slurring their words and throwing a few things.
01:19:08
Lord Hinkie
it should be a good time. I'm excited for that one. But I'm also excited to, like you guys said, get weekly here. Get continuous throughout the whole year. Man, it's going to be fun. Can't wait to go through with you boys. And I can't wait to go through it with our loyal listeners. So, like Zig Zed, tune into all the socials.
01:19:25
Lord Hinkie
Hit us up on the Sleeper Streets, on X, all those fun little platforms. most of all, be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. You never know what people are going out there nowadays. Be a smiling, happy face. Give a hug every once in a while.
01:19:39
Lord Hinkie
Everybody needs it. And at worst, ask somebody how they're doing because, you know, they're going to tell you they're doing good, but they might not be. But always be there for somebody else you'd want people to be there for you.
01:19:49
Lord Hinkie
yeah. before i get too deep. Thank you guys for listening. Appreciate you guys tuning in and I can't wait for the next one. See guys there. Peace.