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Collab with All Formats
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Listen to this amazing podcast we did with our friends over at the All-Formats podcast!
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Introduction to the Collaboration
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everyone, welcome back. um This is the All Formats podcast, but it's not just an All Formats podcast. We've been teasing this for a few weeks. It's All Formats doing a live podcast with the ZNG boys. So where's that ZNG host at? Ladies and Ladies and yo welcome to another episode of the ZNG Dynasty podcast, including all formats as our host. um Joe, it's been a long time, buddy.
00:00:26
Speaker
Yeah, it's been a long time. Too soon. But this is probably the best setup we've ever had for a podcast ever.
Setting the Stage for Fantasy Football
00:00:31
Speaker
yeah i think we have to talk about it initially. We're all screaming right now into one microphone sitting in the middle of our room, and we're just going to be boys talking fantasy football. It's going incredible.
00:00:41
Speaker
Oh, gotcha. It's going to be really good time here. We got the whole crew here. now Everyone except, you know, the background dancer to the All Four Men's podcast. Wanted to get his feedback later. Yeah, so that is one problem, guys. One man's opinion.
00:00:54
Speaker
A wise opinion one couldn't be here. um It's probably a good thing because um him and Damien probably would have become best friends with their cow pit stakes. And we can't have that. Damien, you're last one. Welcome to the people.
00:01:06
Speaker
thank you very much what an honor and i do agree this is one of the best podcast setups i've ever seen in my entire life we spent a lot of money uh to make this happen yeah very over our budgets how that's gonna affect future contract negotiations with junior but we'll figure that out later i know this setup's kind of nice i'm gonna start doing this more often yo new studio hey we are all live together sitting around huddled uh cracking a few skis i believe wow i didn't realize we were already starting oh yeah but no one told me. What are you talking about?
00:01:36
Speaker
Anyways, guys, we've been teasing this for a while. It's good to have you with us.
Strategies for Dynasty Mock Draft
00:01:39
Speaker
Straight up, we're going to get you a Dynasty mock draft startup. Obviously, according to a guy at work, Superflex tight end premium is standard, so that's how we're going to roll.
00:01:48
Speaker
We're going to give you five rounds um for your Dynasty startups. If you haven't done a Dynasty startup before, A, it's too late. Season's starting in two weeks. Yeah. But B, this going to be some good information to know how to do. There's going to be different strategies here um because I'm pretty sure if I know Damian, he's going to do whatever it takes to get to Kyle Fitz.
00:02:06
Speaker
ah If I know Dakota, we might see RJ Harvey in the first round. And Junior, as the reigning, defending, undisputed champion, just listen to whatever he says. ah Go back a few podcasts. He got the interview with the champ. It's just phenomenal. You bring the belt?
00:02:20
Speaker
No, I did not. I thought of it right now. I was like, this would have been the perfect time for me to just bring that belt out, sit around with it, show it off a little bit more. But no, I did forget. You know, that's a poor champion when he's not gloating every chance yeah so he has. It's a humble king. if It's actually. I expect to have it for a long time. don't need to shoot it. It's the great champ. It's like, he won so much. i yeah I forgot. Oh, I have this. My bad.
00:02:41
Speaker
So much gold. I don't even know what to do with it. I'm the opposite. I'm a flex on your peasant. Hey, didn't you win a redraft? I won a few dynasties this year, actually. yeahp But I'm not a champ. Who's in those leagues? Free league. You guys are all... A free league? No, no, no. You guys are in one of the leagues. Oh, did he anyone he win yours? He won ours.
00:03:00
Speaker
He actually beat Dakota in the championship game. That's a big point. I don't want three points or something like that. Did you beat your dad in the championship game? I did in one league. Yeah, that's why. yeah Man, you got the wild. It must be nice. See, now I'm hanging with the room of champions. just Welcome, buddy.
00:03:15
Speaker
You and me. I guess I'm not a champion anymore. i haven't won in two years. I feel bad about that. Yeah, let's move on. Let's move on. We are all format, so we' we'll give you that. But for the ZNG Dynasty, that they don't care about We don't count that. I hope the league, I sold it and left. That's bad. that's my So anyway, guys, what we did is we did a little um ping pong here to see who's going to pick and what pick in this and rookie, ah this Dynasty mock startup.
00:03:40
Speaker
Uh, so you, you'll see some guys going back to back. What you're going see though, is some different strategies. And I'll tell you this right now with the super flex tight end premium, I expect, definitely expect to see quarterbacks go.
00:03:51
Speaker
You should see at least four or five quarterbacks in the first seven picks. Um, could be wrong. These guys might have a different option here.
Draft Picks and Player Evaluations
00:03:58
Speaker
But luckily me, as the all formats host, and without David here to hold my hand, i they gave me the one wine because they're so gracious. Courageous. Thanks, guys.
00:04:06
Speaker
And as much as I want to do Kyle Pitts for the bit, oh man as much as I should do Kyle Pitts for the bit, I will be serious for these guys that are actually doing startups. And right now, and David's not here. David,
00:04:18
Speaker
If you got to listen all formats, David will tell you this should be Jaden Daniels. I'm going to be a homer. I'm going to stick with my guys. Got to be Josh Allen at 1-1. He's still young. He's still, you know, he's still Josh Allen. Anybody got any problem with Josh Allen at 1-1? Zero. I mean, he's the best player in the league right now.
00:04:35
Speaker
um Fantasy-wise, you can argue over Lamar. You can argue over Jaden Daniels. But you're never going to hear me complain about taking Josh Allen 1-1 ever. My only question is, I mean, most of us are Burns fans in here. Well, have I guess half us are Burns fans.
00:04:50
Speaker
With the tush push still being in, I mean, Josh Allen versus Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts. I mean, the rushing ah touchdown upside. We pushing those two a couple more.
00:05:02
Speaker
ah Yeah, we' okay we'll get it. We'll see when Lamar comes off the board. We'll see when Jalen comes off the board. I mean, that's the same thing. That's why I like Josh Allen, because you get this all the short touchdowns. I mean, they don't have a good enough running back to run it in on short downs. Josh Allen. He runs the whole offense. They don't have a good enough running back to run it in on short downs. The who had 16 rushing touchdowns last season? It ain't happening again. All right. Danny, thoughts on Josh Allen and 1-1 before Dakota gets kicked out of here?
00:05:25
Speaker
I have absolutely no qualms with this thing. No qualms. No qualms. Top three quarterback in the fantasy. Within the top two, that's for sure. So if no problems there. Still young enough for Dynasty. and And that's what I like. If he was in that this three or four years from now, he that he's hitting that 30 threshold. show It's still a first round pick. He wouldn't be 1-1 for me. All right. So we're coming up now.
00:05:45
Speaker
one two four years when he gets thirty Well, he runs like he's 26. You're damn right. As long as you're fresh. All right, Zig, you're up here at the one-two. Who you taking off the board? but supposed i I'm going. mean, we talked about him. It is going for me.
00:06:03
Speaker
it It will be Lamar Jackson. yeah. Oh, okay. Explain that. Because I'm curious of your guys' take. I mean, I like Lamar. I think Lamar's going to be able to run the ball again with him and Derrick Henry in the background, of that play action.
00:06:19
Speaker
Rushing upside is a cheat code for fantasy, so I'm just taking that deep play action with him and Yeah, I think he's just two-time MVP. You can't go wrong.
00:06:30
Speaker
got so You can't go wrong, but okay. You can't go wrong. Damien. I hope you guys heard the toilet flushes. Come on, Pop. You said it's hard when you hear the rushing water. so i come on this guy ah hope you said it's horrible when you get the russian water I don't like this bank personally. um Is Lamar Jackson going to go in the first round? Yes.
00:06:49
Speaker
Should he be in the top two? Absolutely not. um I would have rathered a lot of guys over him. I don't think he produced as much as a passer in that ah offense. It's mainly his rushing ability. And now we have multiple quarterbacks with at least similar rushing abilities and better passing abilities. So I would definitely want a different right there.
00:07:06
Speaker
Okay. um I don't think I hate as much as Damian does. I think Lamar is in that top tier of super flex quarterbacks where his rushing floor is just so high that he'll always be safe. The biggest thing with him is staying healthy. I mean, he did it all last season.
00:07:21
Speaker
He had the, I believe, ankle injury a couple weeks ago, or is it like last week? X-rays came back negative. He's fully healthy. He wouldn't have been my pick, but he's in that top tier where I can't complain about it. ah Yeah, for dynasty startup, you guys know me for years. I'm not a Lamar guy.
00:07:35
Speaker
um I don't like running back to court. But, you know, for a dynasty startup, would I would say top four. he He's four. He's four. Slightly above Jalen Hurts at five. So I don't like him at two, but I don't hate it at two. I'd have hated it at one. I can tell I'd have hated that and I feel like two, it's pick your picture p pleasure here, whether it's him or the other two guys that got above him. I can see it. i don And I like it because then it pushes other players down. If I'm drafting it, one, three, or four. Someone takes Lamar at two and I'm getting, well, we'll talk about some other names later.
00:08:04
Speaker
All right, we're caught up here one, three. Damien, you are up. Now, please be be a real quarterback. ah It'll be a real quarterback. I might shock you here with a little dis-take. It's Joe Burrow. There it is.
00:08:15
Speaker
I think one of the most, probably the best passer in the NFL. The offensive line still kind of stinks. Defense stinks, but guess what? They'll put up a lot, a lot of fantasy points. So give me that all day here at the 1-3.
00:08:27
Speaker
No argument. Oh, no qualms. I mean, he's ah hooked up to the one of, if not the best wide receiver in the league. Offensive line improves slightly, but the defense still stinks, and we love that fantasy because he'll be throwing the ball all day. 50 touchdown passes. Yeah.
00:08:40
Speaker
The only thing is, you don't get the rushing floor, but he is by far probably the best passer in the league. And for me, like, he throws 50 touchdowns. Lamar throws 30 and runs in 10. I'm going to take the 50 over the 40. Sign me up for that. More consistent. Yeah.
00:08:52
Speaker
Nothing good with that? No qualms. It's fair. Sorry. Is it better than Lamar? i just, I like the rushing upside. i rushing, again, him and Derrick Henry. If it was anyone else in the backfield, I'd probably take a burrow over him.
00:09:05
Speaker
But it's Derrick Henry in the backfield with Lamar Jackson. So you have Joe Burrow right now. You're trading him straight up for Lamar Jackson. I mean, a lot of places I have Joe Burrow, I'm trying to get the Jamar Chase staff.
00:09:16
Speaker
Okay, we're talking staff. This ain't basketball. I told you, he learned one fantasy football strategy 10 years ago when we started fantasy football, and all he does now is talk about stack, stack, stack. And this is why you're not a champion and you're still production.
00:09:28
Speaker
If I can do it straight up, I probably am just because Joe Burrow probably going last longer. i mean, they're both 28 right now. So with Joe Burrow's lack of rushing, he's going to probably play longer. So in Dynasty, I probably am.
00:09:41
Speaker
But I mean, I'm looking at this as I'm trying to win right away. That's my tactic going in. And with me, I was making fun for the stack thing. But if you're going to stack anybody in fantasy football, you want to stack Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. Like that is the stack. They're not going to go anywhere. not Yeah.
00:09:54
Speaker
You can win championships off that stack. I've heard people do that. Yeah. right, we're up here now at the 2-4 in our dynasty. And, Zeke, you are back up after taking Lamar at 2-2. Now, who's your fourth best dynasty player right here? All right, man, this is where I'm going to be going.
00:10:09
Speaker
Jaden Daniels. Young, rushing upside. He's going to have a ton of a ton of fantasy points for years to come. I mean, it's a perfect dynasty asset, especially at the 1-4. one four Before we ask you guys, this is where it's a good thing that David is not here.
00:10:24
Speaker
The fact that Jaden Daniels fell to four, he will be screaming at the top of his lungs and walking off set right now. yeah So, David, do you think about that? Yeah, I mean, it's it's fine. He's in my top six um of Dynasty quarterbacks. So i'm I'm definitely okay with this pick here.
00:10:38
Speaker
I got no qualms. No qualms. Junior no qualms, dude? No qualms. I think if, Zig, if you would have flipped your you Lamar and your Jaden Daniels pick, I think that would have been a perfect draft.
00:10:49
Speaker
But um I think Jaden Daniels, with the age, them building the offense around him, what he showed as a rookie, I was very impressed with. I was not a Jaden Daniels guy going into this league, him going into the league. But...
00:11:00
Speaker
um It turned out you know pretty well for the Washington Commanders. ah Yeah, i I think it's good pick. So before we get to 1-5, which put Damian back up, are we at all worried about sophomore slump?
00:11:11
Speaker
Because yeah we remember RG3 came out the gate in Washington. Jay Strava. Yeah, yeah. Are we were i know all worried about that for dynasty purposes? And that's why I'm looking for it, especially with Terry McCorn, because they don't have anyone else right now to vote to.
00:11:26
Speaker
Yeah, Ertz is probably going to retire this year halfway through the year maybe. And then who's who's the best receiver there? But the thing was, it was the same thing last season. What he did what he did last year. they All they had was Terry McCord.
00:11:37
Speaker
Yeah, this year, as of right now, they don't even have Terry McCord. Well, he he's doing a hold in. I think he plays during the year. I don't think Terry's a threat to not play football this year. I think the guy's almost 30 and wants his money and will do whatever it takes. He's a receiver. He's going to get his money. Yeah. He's not a running back. Yeah. I think he'll get paid.
00:11:53
Speaker
No, dynasty purposes, I'm not worried about a sophomore slump. I do think there is probably some regression coming his way um once teams figure out how to play against him. The same thing I think happened with Lamar after his first year starting. His second year, he slumped a little bit. But dynasty-wise, they figure it out. Good players play well.
00:12:09
Speaker
Same? Yeah. i agree All right, let's move on here to the 2-5. I will say that's exactly how thought it was going to go. 1-4 quarterback, and now I think we get into the weeds here. So, Damian, start us off with the first hot take, I'm assuming, of the Dynasty start-up.
00:12:22
Speaker
I don't know if it's a hot take. um I'm going to pair my guy. You talk about sacks. It's Jamar James. um This is the perfect range. ah My number one wide receiver in the league. And he still happens to be connected to the quarterback I drafted earlier, who's also an elite quarterback.
00:12:37
Speaker
This is perfect sense for my team right now. Give me that stack. So here's my question with this is this. Is this the time where we start seeing position players? Are we not going with more quarterbacks here in the Superflake?
00:12:50
Speaker
Or is Jamar Chase here too good to pass up? And why Jamar and not a running back? I think Jamar is too good to pass up. He's legitimately, arguably one of the best two wide receivers in this league.
00:13:02
Speaker
oh yeah um And for quarterbacks, where we're at right now, it's still pretty early. There's guys I like down the board a little more. So let me get a solidified stud at wide receiver early. Okay.
00:13:12
Speaker
um Manly, so you criminals can't have. I can't argue you with that. fair yeah um i think this is where we get into that tier break, like you were saying, where position players, start you start thinking about them. And ah Jamar Chase is probably the safest fantasy football first-round pick. I mean, in a redraft league, he's the 1-1, I think, pretty easy.
00:13:31
Speaker
um And at Dynasty, he's hooked up to Joe Burrow for years and years to come. um He's safe. He's sturdy. He's got years. It's the best pick to make. Same. same And there's one more quarterback that I would have taken personally that I think is a huge break at quarterback.
00:13:46
Speaker
But, i mean, it's Jamar Chase. el No qualms. No qualms. So, there's another quarterback you have over Jamar Chase? I'll be taking him here. right. So, when we get up there. Oh, should be all right. Well, Junior, you're up there at 1-6. Finally, man. Like, you know what it is. All the listeners are just begging to hear Lord Inkey actually make the pennies football pick. They're being Yeah, Joe had to make you wait for it to keep you guys involved. going to have to make this pick. You guys can all leave. I understand.
00:14:08
Speaker
But with the 1-6, I'm going to be taking Jalen Hurts, 27-year-old quarterback, won the Super Bowl last year, um has years and years of a well, high-powered offense. The tush push is back for another year. Saquon Barkley, even last season, being as productive as he as he was,
00:14:23
Speaker
Jalen Hurts was able to still finish as a top-end quarterback. He's not going anywhere. He's safe, consistent. As long as he stays healthy, he'll be a guy again. I do think, as an Eagles fan, he is at the bottom of this tier of quarterbacks.
00:14:36
Speaker
So I would have probably taken him, like, in my list, he'd probably be, like, the fourth QB off the board. But right after Hurts, I agree with Sig, there is a big breakoff in QBs, so I'd love to grab him here. um You take it at four. Who's the man out of those top four?
00:14:50
Speaker
Lamar James. Good answer. You good with, well, of course you're good with Jalen here. All right, this great value for Jalen here. and For those of you who don't know, if you're just an all-formats listener and not as the E&G guy, ah Dakota is a Closet Birds fan. Don't let him fool you.
00:15:03
Speaker
So he's fine with Jalen Hurts. Because I didn't hear a single Bo Nix talk yet, who's probably close to that tier. We'll get to that later. It's not Josh Allen yet. My only question, Junior, if it was banned this year, is he still a top quarterback for you? Or are you way in?
00:15:18
Speaker
I think he is a top quarterback. um The Eagles are so innovative that they will come up with something other than the tush push to make it um similar but different to you know fit in with the NFL rules. It'll probably end up looking like some kind of QB power that cut they do in college nowadays where he takes a snap from the shotgun but still gets his tush pushed but in a different way.
00:15:38
Speaker
um We all like that for fantasy football, and we like it in real life too. so um I think they'll find a way to make it productive. I had to. I'm sorry. david Yeah, I got no qualms here. He's in my top five with the IFC quarterbacks.
00:15:49
Speaker
Yeah, easy. I feel, I take the tush brush out. He's still top four, top five. He's just that good of a, I had to talk, this guy at work, when Jalen came to the Birds, not a fan. I had to talk, convince him, he's a huge Birds fan, convince him that Jalen Hurts was a quarterback, and he's like, no. And after a year, he was like, you were right, I was wrong. I think it turned out to where we almost want that guy to hate our players. So that way they turned out well for us. Oh, he is that kind of guy. That's true. I've heard. Yeah. When I get back to work, we'll have a conversation. Yeah.
00:16:18
Speaker
All right. We're coming up here at one seven. Oh, this is where I get to pick again. Everyone knows what this pick is going to be. We've already got one skilled position player off the board. We see Jamar Chase. I was actually thinking here, maybe this is where I get a running back or I get Bichon, maybe Justin Jefferson.
00:16:34
Speaker
We're playing Dynasty. We're playing tight end premium. um There's maybe three or four at least tight ends that you would take in the first 20 picks, first 15 picks. So I got to get mine now. I can't wait to get a Kincaid the fourth round. That's a mistake.
00:16:47
Speaker
We're taking Kyle Pitts here at 1-7 off the board. First tight end, Don. We will throw it to you first. Oh, man. For you Dynasty listeners out there who actually want to take it serious, this is a terrible idea.
00:17:05
Speaker
you he He's going to fall past where we're going to draft today. ah So take him way later ah if you want to take him. ah This is a horrendous, horrendous tight end to take here.
00:17:17
Speaker
I first thought you were going you know, wisen up and take a guy who I'm probably going to take later in this first round as one of my guys. But, um you know, you do you. and This is your podcast. right know This is for people.
00:17:29
Speaker
They need to understand. You have, if you guys remember the Kyle Pitts All Four Mets is Back podcast, there's Few tight ends at this age that are consistently finishing top 15 over their first five seasons.
00:17:41
Speaker
Yes, we saw one year great Brock. We saw one girl ah great Sam Laporta, and then he followed the map. We saw a great Trey McBride followed it up with like an 18. Like, you want consistency, you want youth, and you want talent.
00:17:53
Speaker
It's Kyle Pitts. In sentence. To lead a tight end 14, the most volatile. Gross. system Is it me? Give me a 14 every three seasons, and then give me a 1, and then a 30, and then an 18. Oh, now I'm a 6 again.
00:18:04
Speaker
Man, I thought we were taking this podcast seriously. I was
Tight Ends and Their Fantasy Impact
00:18:07
Speaker
really hoping for the end of that take, you just went, Brock Bowers, but um I mean, it's a good bit. It's a great bit. And who who actually listened to the ZNG Dynasty podcast, I am back in on call pits.
00:18:19
Speaker
I'm not going to see here and tell you should him to 1-7 in a little startup league, but I think he bounces back this year. I think he gets in that top echelon tight ends. So I would be buying. I wouldn't be buying this, though. stuff I would be.
00:18:30
Speaker
I mean, I'm also in about this, but just not here. Just not here. You got to take him in the first round. I'm not missing out on generational talent just because he hasn't lived. I don't think that he's done what I thought he was going to do.
00:18:42
Speaker
Did he get like redrafted? We delayed him generational all over again. I don't think after how many years in the NFL, he'd be generational. Like it's Traylon Burke still generational. I've only used it for three names, ah which was Kyle, Marr and Marr.
00:18:55
Speaker
And jury's still out on two. and a half. One and a half, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Marv's still out. All right, then. You guys don't like Mikal Pits. Let's go to eight. egg You know what? It's pushing talent down the board, but go ahead. i mean This is where the real tight end one should go.
00:19:10
Speaker
Oh! This is Brock Bowers. okay Tight end premium. He finished number one overall in his rookie season. And here's the thing. A Broncos fan, I hate actually talking good about a ah Raiders player, but Brock Bowers is generational.
00:19:25
Speaker
Uh, pass that he just stole the name right from pits in the last day but anyway brock bowers is the best tight end he was scouted mean he was the guy in georgia he was the guy in the nfl there's no one else on that raiders team that's going to challenge him for his position uh there's no wide receiver that is going to take many targets away ah don't let David edit this and edit his own things in here. We don't want to hear about that guy that David likes. So that rookie that comes out, and he's going to talk pop up here. oh and yeah Remember he did that Tennessee a few years ago. What happened there? Exactly. so yeah
00:20:00
Speaker
ah Brock Bowers here, tight end premium. he is built He's 22. Here's the thing with Bowers. He's 22. He is going to see the field fairly often. He's going to see every pass thrown his way.
00:20:11
Speaker
He's going to dominate the league, and it's a positional advantage, especially in a tight end premium league. Okay, David. Yeah, um this tight end that should have been taken or taken any tight end in the first round. This is one we've got to do.
00:20:23
Speaker
I told you guys last year on some podcast definitely or at least in our group thread that this was the best tight end film I've ever seen. um And he showed it. So I got no balls here.
00:20:33
Speaker
Yeah, that is on many of our recordings, I believe. um But yeah, it's a good pick. um I do want to say the tight end premium in this draft that we're doing, it is tight end premium, but you still want to start one.
00:20:45
Speaker
So yes, I agree. Brock Bowers should probably be in this first round, but I don't think tight ends are super, super valuable in the mock draft that we're doing. But if anybody's going to go here, it's going to be Brock Bowers. Yeah, um just a question. So the best film on any title you've seen, you talking last year, the season he put up, or you talking college?
00:21:02
Speaker
Because if we're going to pair Kyle's to Brock's college film, then that's a mistake. And anyone can back me up on that. The Kyle college film is way better than Brock's college film. I wouldn't say way better, but it was better. It's better.
00:21:15
Speaker
Out of the scouting I did, and this was college take, it was the best college take I've ever seen. All Pits is number two. No's number three, tyler war It's true. It's true.
00:21:25
Speaker
Actually, I kind of like Tyler's tape better than Brock's. I don't think Tyler's better than Brock. I like his tape better. Gotcha. this stay Okay. All right. Are we talking Taysom Hill? Are we allowed talk Taysom Hill? Let's move on. I know. Okay.
00:21:39
Speaker
I'm funny. We want to cancel this draft and just start talking. All right. Junior, you're back up again finally. You made one pick. Now you're here at nine. Where are we going? Easiest ninth overall pick. No, because I figured you could go one of two ways there, and I don't know which one you're going to go. going Justin Jefferson. I thought you were going to go the other way Which is... B-John. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's fair. B-John would be in the conversation here because he is a top, top, top, and running back who is, you know, hitting his stride. But, I mean, Justin Jefferson, probably, in my opinion, the second best wide receiver in the league.
00:22:08
Speaker
The only thing, the only question with Justin Jefferson, and the reason he probably fell to me at nine, is the QB situation. Um... I like McCarthy. I don't think I love him. I think he'll be fine. Just throw the ball to Justin Jefferson and you'll be okay. But the only question with JJ is, are they going to have a sustainable QB for him to play with for years? Which hopefully it's JJ McCarthy, but to be determined.
00:22:31
Speaker
Yeah, I hear that. um Junior? I'm junior. so I already made my team. Dakota, anything on that? Great value of Justin Jefferson. We saw it last year with Sam Darnold. Doesn't matter who's throwing him the ball. He's going to produce.
00:22:43
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it's Kevin O'Connell's system, so as long as he's there, yeah it's it's a shoe-in to be a pop at wide receivers. I'm trying to figure out, was that a compliment to Justin Jefferson or a shot at Sam Darnold? We can't take shots at Sammy wheels. Damien. Yeah. I would never take shots at Sammy wheels like that. yeah Well, Justin Jefferson is the debatable one, number one wide receiver in the league. So happy with him here at first round. All right. um That puts me up here at 10 and this is I'll be perfectly honest. This is where I would get into a dilemma.
Running Backs: Talent vs Strategy
00:23:13
Speaker
If I'm doing a true startup right here, am trading out of this pick. um A wise opinion. One once told me that you don't draft or running backs in the first round of startups. Um, You can get those in rookie drafts in years to come.
00:23:25
Speaker
I want to take Bijan here. I'm going to have to take Bijan here. You got it. But I'm not happy about it. But you got if it's either him or Gibbs. um Bijan is just way more talented. He's the top running back in the league for a reason.
00:23:38
Speaker
So we're taking Bijan off the board here. Maybe actually should just wait until Kyle here. You could have waited. No, because he might have been gone. He could have waited. Saw a tight end run there. He started one. He started a tight end run. He started of taking Brock there, and I lost Kyle. But we're all good with B. John. We can just move on. Yeah, easy. great Best running back in the league. Pretty easy.
00:23:57
Speaker
All right, so Damian, we're getting close to the end. 1-11 here. What's the best player on the board? Man, this is a 11. um because i am a jameer goods guy not this early though um maybe a little bit of a shocker because there's no quarterback play there give me malik neighbors oh wide open room he's commands targets uh i think he's gonna average at least 10 targets a game and he's gonna produce great numbers um and very young coming off a great season last year where they still had no quarterback and give me a solidified guy to match with jamar chase
00:24:32
Speaker
but Okay, Malik Nabors. um Junior? Yeah, definitely interesting. um This is where you're taking the talent of a player over the ah like the position he is in, you know trusting the talent to improve and still be fantasy relevant. Obviously, the QB position there is volatile, to say the least.
00:24:50
Speaker
um Jackson Dart, maybe, but then that won't be until next year. um But Nabors, a player, is undoubtedly good, so I can't hate on it too much. It wouldn't have been my pick, it's good pick. Dakota?
00:25:01
Speaker
I know. I didn't do much college. I'm not the biggest college guy here. Hasn't Malik been dealing with this toe injury, though, since college? Like, this foot injury that keeps nagging on him and stuff like that? I've seen it again in lot of reports.
00:25:12
Speaker
i I don't know, but... Yeah, I don't know. you That just... A lingering injury worries me a little bit. Now, granted, he is a... The talent is undeniable there.
00:25:23
Speaker
He is a spectacular player. And like Damien said, a wide open room. I'm shocked Damien took him because we know he's not a Jackson Dart guy, so yeah you know Jackson Dart will never start that room. Ooh.
00:25:34
Speaker
If ARD 1016 has stepped into the room, he will who will argue with that. But um my, like, I feel what you're saying, Dakota. I'm on the same board. Like, at that next tier, where I have no problem with Malik neighbors being in that tier, of that tier, he has the most question marks.
00:25:48
Speaker
So going into Dynasty, he's the youngest. I'll give him that. But there are two other guys that I love there more in that tier that I would probably would have went with. And hopefully we'll see them coming up soon. you Don't hate it, but um don't love it.
00:26:00
Speaker
I'm still a Marv over Neighbors guy. I'm still in the minority, I know. But I'm still in the Marv over Neighbors guy. guy too it's just i really don't like kyler and they're gonna stick with kyler for a long time i think the giants want to be quarterback in the next couple years i hate kyler i love marv and i was kind of hoping he'd be sneaky i'll get you later i'll pass on you now but you'll be my dessert yes yeah and be this is gonna be uh drew to the ah giants again no drew do to the colts start to build. We probably could.
00:26:28
Speaker
Apparently, anyone can. Yeah. right, then. um Let's move on to close out this first round. ah Junior, champion, back up. Of course you did. The champion picks 112. Yeah, champion usually picked 112. This is almost like ah a freebie pick after winning the chip last year.
00:26:42
Speaker
This might come as a shocker, and I'm shocked I'm the one who is the one making this pick. I'm going to with the quarterback, and I'm taking the guy out of Denver, Bo Nix, baby. Wow. Dynasty-wise, he finished as a QB7 last year.
00:26:55
Speaker
um throw it there definitely some up and down deep but give me the quarterback attached to sean peyton they're building that offense around him they got him some great weapons i like courtland sutton evan ingram addition was very nice whether it's very good uh for fantasy himself is a different question but i think he's a good weapon for bo nicks to play with and rg obviously so good offensive line he's in a great situation there in denver and I think he's worthy of a pick in this range.
00:27:22
Speaker
Okay. We'll come to the Broncos fan last. Man, you want though to throw chair at him? It's fine. so On this K&G podcast, you've noticed a lot of times I have to step away. like This was one of those times. Oops.
00:27:33
Speaker
The fact that you said you like Cortland Sutton, I i almost threw up. I do. This is gross in the first round with the quarterbacks there. Yet, I'm taking at least four guys over Bo Nix here.
00:27:46
Speaker
And I think the talent right now is elsewhere. And I know it's a super flex lead, man. Some of the talent you just passed on there, not a big thing. What's the right thing for me to say here? No. All right.
00:27:57
Speaker
Everything you said, I like. It's true about Bo Nix. As a second-year quarterback, he's not he's not the guy I'm taking right there. that would be I would go Drake May before I take Bo Nix off the board. And Drake May's not even my next quarterback in a tier, but I still take Drake. I love a Bo Nix.
00:28:11
Speaker
I wish I had gotten some shares. I was a guy that was the one Bo Nix come out of college, and everyone was like, oh, he's been in college for 30 years. Like, you know, don't take him. And he proved him wrong, and I just ended up not drafting him. Yeah.
00:28:21
Speaker
No. He is 25, which seems older for a year or two guy. and I love, again, what Gary said. He's over here telling me you're going to love this next pick. I'm like, oh, this is one of Gary's guys. You know, this is going to be an Amin Ra that he's been sitting on for years. Or this is going to Marv right here and finish out the first round. And he turned his hook to Bo Nix. And even I thought, really?
00:28:42
Speaker
like I love Bo. Don't get me wrong. like He is a legit quarterback in the Broncos I've had since Sean Pickford. Hey, man, i mean it's been and it's been a hot moment since we've had someone decent in there.
00:28:53
Speaker
ah Now, he finished QB7 on the year, and he got off to a really slow start. and It was all the little short throws, easy outs, you know, until they finally so let him sling it down the field.
00:29:05
Speaker
So if they let him to Marvin... Martin Mintz, he's a full-time wide receiver right now. He's not only playing 30% of the snaps. And Damian's wide receiver wanted this last draft class. ah Pat Bryant's there.
00:29:18
Speaker
So... hold out there from so They have some weapons. They brought in J.K. Dobbins, who's a decent back that I like. I think he'll fit Payton's system.
00:29:29
Speaker
RJ Harvey, we're all in. Evan Ingram is the one I think that bolsters the wide receiver room a lot. I do think you'll see him used a lot. So, I mean, I do think early, but I'm also, as a fan, I don't hate it here at the end.
00:29:41
Speaker
If you want to grab him, he tends to go earlier and earlier every single draft I am in. Here's what I'll say. His pitch sold me more than yours. you know well Hey, he didn't say the two bad words.
00:29:52
Speaker
But also, everything okay you know what? Back in. I'm back in. Great pick. Great pick. I'm good with it. yeah Thanks, Dakota. You saved him. All right, recapping that first round dynasty startup, you go Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Jay Daniels, four quarterbacks to start.
00:30:09
Speaker
ah Jamar Chase comes in at five. Jalen Hurts, Kyle Pitts, the real tight end one at seven. Brock Bowers at eight. Justin Jefferson, Bijan, Malik Neighbors at 11. And we closed out the first round with Bo Nix. We got a total of six quarterbacks.
00:30:23
Speaker
ah That's half your first round right there. It's kind of pretty much standard, probably, in your Superflex startups. So let's get into that second round. And Dakota, you're right up here at 2-1, and you can't take Bo Nix because he's gone. ah This is where I'm going to go where I thought Daring was going to go.
00:30:36
Speaker
It's Amon Ross St. Brown. He is an elite option. I am not a Jamison guy either there. I think he's not going to see as much work as they overhype him every year. He's just overhyped. But Amon Ross St. Brown is a solid player.
00:30:49
Speaker
He is an absolute... ah terror to play against from the defensive side. He is willing to take on hits. He's willing to work harder than everyone else. I mean, he's just a guy.
00:31:00
Speaker
Whether it's, I mean, they got Gentile, they got Laporta, they got Montgomery. ah People like Jameson, there's a ton of weapons there. It's always going to be number one off and off the scene. No qualms.
00:31:12
Speaker
I like to pick. Obviously, I'm an Amara. I'm a Sun God guy. i was the OG Sun God guy, um and I have a lot of shares of him. The only question I have with Amara is I'm a little worried about some aggression after Ben Johnson leaving as the OC.
00:31:26
Speaker
That would be the only negative thing I can say about Amara, but I think even in that scenario, he's going to be peppered with targets. He's going to be PPR machine. He's still going to be a very viable fantasy, but I think the high-end upside with Amara kind of fell away when Ben Johnson got hired to Chicago. And that that's a fair take. But in my eyes and not offense, it's everyone at else I'm worried about thinking of regression.
00:31:48
Speaker
I think he's safe. I think everyone else is one of them. I'm still in the Sun God Dynasty wide receiver three camp. So I got beat up for that take last year. And thanks to Junior and me listening to actually Junior when he says stuff, you know, I can ride with some of those ones. So, yeah, I'm good with it. The Bo Nix one turn around shortly. I'm already in. I'm already in there. Dakota sold it.
00:32:10
Speaker
Take the Broncos fans to sell it to me. All right, so we're coming here, coming back on the 2-2. Oh, that's me. This, for me, that this is a controversial pick. I feel it will be. ah We're leaning, going into the second. I said it.
00:32:21
Speaker
I took B-Giant in the first round, and I was told not to take running backs and startups in the first round, but I got no problem taking them in the second round. And as much as you guys want to hear Jameer Gibbs, I'm taking Ashton Jenty here ok at 2-2.
00:32:34
Speaker
He's coming back. It's his first year. I got my rookie i'm running back now with no tread on the tires. um This is what I do in a dynasty startup in a second round. Get my rookies. You don't seem like you're happy with that.
00:32:46
Speaker
very to so I was tanking on that. I had to Ashton Jenty. so but i'm picking next but i was like he's still that but he's gone um no it's a great pick um i arguably top five running back and just in the league to go in. yeah might Might be top three.
00:33:04
Speaker
And not in the dynasty. In dynasty, he's working at your top three. Yeah. So easy pick here. You stole him from me. I got robbed. You're welcome. You're welcome. Yeah, definitely a good pick. um He's right up in that top echelon of running backs in dynasty. Him, Bijan, Gibbs.
00:33:20
Speaker
um all right right I think that's where you get the tier break. Yes. Saquon definitely takes a step back strictly because of the age, but player talent wise, Saquon is, you know, top end player. You should only get him for a few more years.
00:33:31
Speaker
Ashton Gentry, you got him for his entire career. Yeah. Now, The Raiders offense, I think, might take is might not be as high-powered as we think it's going to be. But, I mean, he's still going to be a great running back. He's going the top weapon there. Him and Brock Bauer is going to exciting to watch, for sure.
00:33:47
Speaker
And that's another reason. ah You know, it's Pete Carroll there now. yeah We know what he loves to do with running backs. Why not, right? Marshawn Lynch 2.0. yeah Give me three seasons of that. BYU. Oh, yeah. Dakota, anything? No problem there. He's a stud. Yeah.
00:34:01
Speaker
and this is going to make matters even worse because, Damian, you're up. This would have been your next pick. I'm sorry. Yeah, um thanks for robbing my guy. It's all good.
00:34:13
Speaker
I'm going to take the quarterback that should have been picked up on next, Jimmy Khalid Williams. ah If you look to the ZNG Dynasty podcast, you know how high I am on an improved offensive line, even more weapons if you can fathom that.
00:34:26
Speaker
It's wheels up all the way, and to get him early in a Dynasty startup where he somehow slid past bone X, give me that all day. Hey, you know what? No lies detected. i'm I'm fine with it. um I'm loving your rookie running backs and your second-year quarterbacks. This is the prime for second-round dynasty startups.
00:34:42
Speaker
Yeah, give me all the Kaleeb. He's got that new head coach. So, yeah, ah let's let's run with that. I think it's a good pick. think it's great pick. He would have been the other guy would have taken and unless but you know Bo Nix is on the board. But think it's a good pick. The only thing, i mean, he has couple question marks that popped up during camp, but everything is looking encouraging as of now.
00:35:00
Speaker
um So, yeah, i think it's a great pick. He's got weapons ah for days there in Chicago. so Kaleem's a guy. he needs to prove it himself. It's his job to lose. It's his, you know, he's in the favor right now. a break. Yeah.
00:35:13
Speaker
This is it for him. So if his pants out, this is a phenomenal pick. If he's so-so, I think this is too early for him. So it's it's, you know, do you believe the guy? And we all know Damian does. so I don't.
00:35:25
Speaker
i Junior, you brought up a good point about the question marks. I will say um like he has more question marks than Bo Nix. 100%. Bo Nix did more with Les last year oh because Kaleeb had the talent.
00:35:38
Speaker
Kaleeb also had some bad coaching. um Awful offense. Very bad. Because if Kaleeb had a Sean Payton, we might have been talking on his head there with Jaden Daniels. so Yes. yeah um so Yeah. Historically, one of the worst offensive lines yeah in football history, let alone, like, last season. Yeah.
00:35:54
Speaker
yeah they paid a lot of money to for that line this year. Yeah. So it's make or break year for Cleveland. All right. Let's move on here. you Junior, just so you know, you're not picking for a while. Yeah, know. All right. We're moving up here. Dakota, you're back up here at 2-4. Man, you guys just bounce back and forth next few picks.
00:36:08
Speaker
That's fun. I want to bring up another guy who's had terrible coaching throughout his career. No, I was going try to play the T-Long part here, but this is way too early. That might be worse than Kyle Pitts. And you take him in the second round. I like that. mean, you guys are just joking that Kyle Pitts was a bad big thing in the first round. Anyway, I'm going Jameer Gibbs here.
00:36:24
Speaker
I think it's a ah young stud running back. In this team, you're going pair him with Justin Jefferson. i don't know if we're looking at the team nailed up at the end. But either which way, ah getting in the second round, it's prime value for Gibbs.
00:36:36
Speaker
He's getting more work. more work than David Montgomery at the moment in camp. ah Yeah, wheels up. Does Montgomery you being there put you off on him a little bit? Not really. No. I mean, we he's getting more work than he has.
00:36:50
Speaker
So I think he should go higher than he has previously. It doesn't matter who's there. Gibbs is just that talented. and yeah So it's not that Montgomery there worries me. It's the new offensive coordinator that worries me. don't know if he's going to get used to the same.
00:37:01
Speaker
Imagine it's going to be similar, but I can't assume that their OC is going to be as good as Ben Johnson was at creating plays for him. So I'm a little bit lower on Jameer Gibbs this year until I see it.
00:37:12
Speaker
um But it's still a great pick, I thought. junior um I think the value of this pick says the most. The fact that he fell to the second round, let alone like what four picks in the second round. Yeah. um That's kind of where I'd be good taking him in a dynasty startup because of what Damien brought up with the new OC. Yeah.
00:37:28
Speaker
um I think Jameer Gibbs, and I'm not going to say Brown guy, I think Jameer Gibbs is probably the safest pick in that in that Detroit offensive line just because of how big play explosive he is. Like, he can make something out of nothing. He, like, literally can. and um I believe in the talent there. He's incredible.
00:37:45
Speaker
Who is the new OC? Did you mind that the top head? think they hired inside. it was like a QB coach kind of thing. So he's had some of the experience already. He should, yeah. But it might be an Eagle situation where, you know, they bring in – the QB coach and then it ends up being like the worst offense we've had years.
00:37:59
Speaker
John Moore. Yeah, I believe he was the ah ah quarterback coach last year. I'm sure he was a pitcher on the Pittsburgh Pirates. not Charlie Moore. Yeah. According to AI, serves as the passing game coordinator for the Denver Broncos.
00:38:11
Speaker
Denver Broncos There you go. Oh, so he, he, Bo Nix. He thought Bo Nix all he needs in that. All right. You got Gibbs on board. We're here. Who's next? Damien? Man, this is this is the tear break we've been talking.
00:38:24
Speaker
I'll do it. And I hit it. I'll do it. ah might do it. I'm going to do it. um Give me Martin Harrison Jr. Yeah. Oh, not what I was expecting. I think he's up there in the realm near Malik neighbors.
00:38:38
Speaker
I trust him. what I saw from Marvin Harrison Jr. And we were talking before, would you rather me like neighbors or Marv's? Guess what? I don't have to argue that point anymore. I'm very happy. Okay. Marv is going as the fifth wide receiver here.
00:38:50
Speaker
Junior, what do you think? think it's a good pick. um I love Marv, the talent. I think he definitely has a big bounce back year. Me and Damian both talked about him as a my guy for our my guy segment for bouncing back this season.
00:39:01
Speaker
Even with Kyler Murray at quarterback, ah I like the pick. think he's good. And the fact that, you know, we're talking last year, getting Marv is what, the QB5 off the board in Dynasty, I think that's a good value, excluding the rookie year. Yeah.
00:39:13
Speaker
If Gibbs wasn't on the board, I was going to go Marv there. Just straight. Marv's a great pick. He's going to see a lot more of the work. There's only two weapons, two passing weapons in the Cardinals offense. It's a bar of a trade with Brian, so.
00:39:25
Speaker
Marv's due for a good breakout. the Everyone's hate on Marv is because he was drafted way too high this rookie year. So not everyone looks at him as a complete and utter bust when he's got a great yeah They were putting him as the Dynasty wide receiver at three before he played a snap.
00:39:41
Speaker
And I try to tell everyone, was like, you got Sun God at three. Back then, CD was at four. ah If you wanted to settle him in at five back then, I'd been okay with it. And he's right. Apparently, he's going five right here.
00:39:53
Speaker
Marv versus neighbor. We'll see. um i My thing with Marv is this. Are we giving him too much rope? Like, no one's calling. Like, Marv hasn't done what we expected him to do yet, but we're all still loving Marv.
00:40:05
Speaker
Or we... what's his How much rope are we giving him? Two, three, four more seasons? And then we'd be like, all right, he's not what we thought. I'd like to see him with a different quarterback. Yes, that. Please.
00:40:16
Speaker
I think he showed us the talent on the field. He just wasn't getting the targets we would have expected. Yeah, that's exactly it. So if someone comes in and steals those targets, so if Trey McBride took those targets from him, he should have he would have finished as a top five.
00:40:30
Speaker
No, um, me and junior kind of are done in off one of our pack pass. He just, I think I did the math. He was charted at 5.3 times a game. That's not nearly enough. Neighbors got 12. He needs to be closer to neighbors than he is.
00:40:44
Speaker
Probably a whoever's down there. Like five targets isn't nearly enough for the talent for that talent. So when you get 4.8 targets per game because John O. Smith came in and you still finished as tight end 13. That's still a problem.
00:40:57
Speaker
As soon as he asked that question, I knew it was a problem. That's still a problem? Is that what we're saying? I'm just asking the question. We can move on if you want. I'm a friendly shirt.
00:41:08
Speaker
I had to go to Europe here. Good answer. You want me to be up here, Joe. Don't do it. so i No, I i want Damien to do it. He should have done it with the last pick. You better with the next pick. Go ahead. We're making this a Joe Thomas team, apparently, because this is where I'm taking Drake back.
00:41:22
Speaker
Ooh, podcast over. We're done here, guys. Drake May for the win. Go. I mean, 22 years old. How did Drake May? 22 years old, 6'4". I mean, he's got it.
00:41:34
Speaker
They're building team around him. It's a slow build, I think. But they're going to let him. I think they're going let him play like Josh Allen. It is his team carrying the team on your back. Do what you need to do to get it done. Brave away.
00:41:45
Speaker
I think Drake May is who we want Trevor Lawrence to be. um That's who they wanted Trevor Lawrence to be. That's what Drake May is and going to be. That's a great take. I got a lot. Drake May and Trevor Lawrence were ruled elite. Here we go. Can't be out yet. All right. Anybody else? All right. Great pick.
00:42:03
Speaker
No qualms. right. Damien, you're up and you got to do it now. Oh, gosh. What? How many flex spots and how many people are starting? Nine. All of them. Maybe nine total. I got to do it.
00:42:13
Speaker
um This is Nico. There it is. I was like, come on. Nico? You know, my Nico love, I think in your actual Dynasty startups, this is this is about where he's going to go. So I think this is a good pick.
00:42:25
Speaker
And you guys heard it all along. I was high on this guy before he was a thing three years ago. So I'll leave it up to you guys. Yeah, mean, Nico Collins is the reason we now have the hot takes pod as a yearly thing ah because Damon and Moore himself knew he was going to be a guy.
00:42:41
Speaker
yeah, I think it's a great pick. I think it's a great value here too in the middle of the second. yeah no qualms. I want to say this. I was waiting for you to take Nico or someone to take Nico because I think it's the perfect entry to the conversation where Nico rightly should be going above TD Lamb now.
00:42:57
Speaker
Oh, 100%. 100%. Oh, the Nico. don't want to say hater. I was just not in. All in now.
Wide Receivers: Evaluations and Debates
00:43:04
Speaker
and Chips are in the middle of the table Give me all the Nico you can get. That's the only one on that offense I want.
00:43:08
Speaker
But give me all the Nico you can get. i think my favorite thing, I but i hope I'll throw back to you a second, but my favorite thing about watching him is he's almost like an old school dominant receiver. Like he's a typical X. He destroys cornerbacks. He's bigger, stronger, faster than anybody on the defense. That's what I love about watching him.
00:43:25
Speaker
He's dominant. and One of the main reasons i love Nico coming out, a lot of guys coming out are really fast and you get hooked on their speed. Nico was a physical guy where he won at the top of the route through physicality. yeah And that's something I love to see in my phone work. If you notice a lot of my guys and my receivers are bigger body guys. You got type. The one at the top of the route. Yes, I do have the type. ah People after dark pods. I don't know if I know that.
00:43:47
Speaker
Nico to the moon. ah He's a top five. Actually, in order, I'm in all six for me, but in the order we have of this, how they bring it to my dynasty walkers. How big is Nico?
00:43:59
Speaker
6'4", I think. 6'4", 222. Wasn't Andre Johnson 6'4"? Because that's, you know, that's what he looks like. even faster, though. Oh, yeah, definitely. He's got and speed to where he can beat you deep and physically. He's great.
00:44:12
Speaker
I'm in on Nico now. Anything to add to that, Dakota? jay jocelyn's size he was 6'3 227 bigger and faster they don't get to stud all right i love that pick yeah guess who gets up here with back-to-back picks champion back here finally you're at two eight and two nine what do you do here to be honest this is a tough pick i think there's a lot of value on the board here with the qbs going to be honest my next pick i'm gonna make here is the tight end two i'm gonna take trade mcbride off the board here in the tight end premium league i think Obviously, Brock Bowers, I think, is a tight end 1-1, a dynasty. But getting Trey McBride a full round later than Brock Bowers, I think, is good value. I don't think there's that much of a gap between the two.
00:44:53
Speaker
um Target city, and he has to have some positive touchdown progression that he has his past two seasons in the NFL. um I think he only had four touchdowns last year, maybe even less.
00:45:04
Speaker
He didn't have one until, like week 16 or something like that. Yeah, yeah. um I think he's got some touchdowns around the board, which, you know, if his receptions goes down, I think those touchdowns make up for it. And yeah, there's a reason Marvin Harrison fell. It's because Trey McBride is so good.
00:45:20
Speaker
Dakota? Yeah, I love this pick. It's a great value for him. Like, ah he's 25, so that's why I took Brock Bowers the first round. He's three years younger. You have three more years of him. But this is probably the better value you pick in the long run. Get a stud at another position and then Trey McBride.
00:45:37
Speaker
with figure-picking earlier in the draft. And like we said, he needs positive touchdown regression. He didn't get his first touchdown till he fell on the fumble in the end zone. Like, that's how he got his first touchdown last year. So they definitely need to, you know, get this guy in the end zone a little bit more, so...
00:45:51
Speaker
All right. This is probably why Junior left the Macy go start ZNG because I disagree wholeheartedly oh with this. Even on a tight end premium. And it's it's two basic reasons. One, Trey McBride. He's not who he we thought he was. I i honestly believe that.
00:46:08
Speaker
No, I just think they... Everyone thinks they said that. No, see? And that's the second point. I talked about Gen T. I talked about... The second round, if I'm going to take the Titan Titan premiums, if there's some rookies out there, is where they go.
00:46:23
Speaker
This is a Tyler Warren, Colston, Loveland area here. Because we've seen Pete McBride. Great, but I can get... ah So similar numbers to McBride, the Kincaids, the kincas that Crafts, i can get those four rounds later.
00:46:36
Speaker
So I'm going to get my rookie here in this round. not Maybe not this pick, but in this round, give me a Colston, give me a Tyler Warren here instead of a McBride. and and And if he's there later, sure. But if not, I'm going to get that same value three or four rounds later. same Same player, I should say.
00:46:50
Speaker
So i'm I'm good. I would go a rookie here over... McBride. And I completely agree with you. I think this is the reason why i left the All Four Mets podcast and I started my own G&G podcast is because you would rather take ah shots on rookies that have improved it over top and produced talents in the NFL. I mean, yeah same Trey McBride peaked as a football player while he had two touchdowns last season, I think is absurd to say.
00:47:15
Speaker
um There's no reason his offense or his production is going to go anywhere. um I just, I completely disagree. The thing is, is he's a Daniel Jones guy. So knowing that yeah Daniel Jones is throwing the ball to kind of...
00:47:27
Speaker
He's all in. He's all back in. I was all in on Tyler Warren, you know, it but two years ago. i just I just feel like the production I'm going to get out of McBride, ah what is he what was he tied in the last couple of years? Two.
00:47:38
Speaker
Two, seven, and then rookie year, you barely played. Yeah, I don't care about the rookie. So, yeah, two and seven. so So, that range from two to seven, you can get the guys that three, four, five, and six, you get them three or four rounds later. So, I'm going to get that similar production and then hopefully get an upside guy here at tight end that can that can take longevity on that. Okay, so this is more of like a team building question rather than McBride. Before Dynasty started, I was like, ok if I'm starting up, then McBride, he's in that range. that So he's in a group.
00:48:02
Speaker
Yeah. Sorry, I'm going to get one those group guys later. going to get a rookie, right? Yeah, you'd just rather get a different position. Trade McBride for Tyler Warren. Am I? In heartbeat. Warren is a stud. If I have Trade McBride, I probably to add.
00:48:13
Speaker
like ah Imagine a phone ringing while we're trying to do a podcast. Don't worry. I'll take care of it. I believe I'm up with the next... He's on our realtor right now calling us trying to get his... You guys got call. You guys got to get a new state new studio. Yeah, so you're back-to-back pigs. You got Trey McBride at 2.8. Now you're up at 2.9. What do you like here? It's a tough...
00:48:30
Speaker
tough pick if I'm being honest there's a lot of players on the border that I like um I don't like any the QBs in this range so I'm definitely skipping the quarterback I'm looking at the wide receiver running back position i don't know about y'all before you take a pick y'all this is where I feel like there's a huge tear break this is where I feel like there's a lot more questions that come in for you maybe not a train before I pick but I feel like here's where a lot more question marks start popping up in In the dynasty ranking. In the dynasty ranking.
00:48:57
Speaker
I feel like those first, that first round and a half was, you may like guys other than other guys, but you're a top player. Yeah. Now we start getting into, you know, there's guys like CeeDee Lamb.
00:49:08
Speaker
What does do with George Pickens? Dak Prescott there. Saquon Barkley, great player, but older. You got Brian Thomas Jr. What's he going to be with Travis Hunter? You know, there's a lot more question marks that pop up here in where they should land.
00:49:18
Speaker
Yeah, I saw that Travis Hunter look. We'll talk about him later. He'll be taken in this round for sure. I think I'm going to go Saquon Barkley here, running back with the Philadelphia Eagles. Obviously an older running back. He's 28. I think he'll be 29 during the season.
00:49:30
Speaker
A little bit of wear and tear. People think he has more carries on him than he really does, but the reason he hasn't had as many carries as you think is because he's had season-ended injuries back in the day with knees and all that stuff.
00:49:42
Speaker
Him on the Eagles ah offense, I mean, he ran for 2,000 yards last season. There's no reason for him not to do it again this year and at least the year after that. So if you're trying to win now, I mean, he's going to be top three producing running back pretty easy, if not the one one in production this season.
00:49:59
Speaker
ah So, yeah, give me Shaquem Barkley, the agent running back for the Birds. With all that said, as a Birds fan, I'm not a huge grab a handcuff guy, ah but this offense, the way they produce, I'm a big Will Shipley guy. Is this a guy you're targeting the backup for if you have?
00:50:16
Speaker
Oh, yeah, for sure. um I think now Will Shipley is not the probably the top end backup in the league just in general. But if you're going to give me the next running back up, if Saquon were to go down, I would take Will Shipley at the end of this dynasty draft, wherever that would be. But yes.
00:50:31
Speaker
i don't know if it's you or David that made the point that no one's ever repeated the running back one. Like most of time they get hurt. It's lot of wear and tear on the body. You know, they don't perform quite to the same level as they did the previous year. But they were one.
00:50:45
Speaker
Number one overall. It's a guy I'm trying to target cheap. I mean, I think he's still kind of under the radar right now. like He's not a premier backup, so you can get him at a decent price right now before his value shoots out.
00:50:57
Speaker
I love the Saquon Barkley pick wearing the jersey. Shipley is not a guy I'm targeting. The next bag of the Philadelphia Eagles, the one that we're actually to care about, is not on the team yet. um So if it's not Saquon Barkley in the back room, don't want For the real Shipley question, these workhorse running backs, they're dying breed where we got, what, maybe a handful left.
00:51:16
Speaker
um And that's another discussion where, you know, leagues. was talking to a guy at work. We're going to go to PPC leagues with points per carry. It's like tight and premium. But that's anyways. it the yeah No. five or Five or six of these workhorses and where, you know, you have to get the handcuff regardless, whoever it is, whether it's Shipley, whether it's, um you know,
00:51:35
Speaker
Isaac Worendell gets traded. Whoever. Everyone else and their committees. so And it's going tough for you to get both. You can't. There's no way you're drafting Gibbs and Montgomery. yeah You're not getting Algie or Ann B. i know It's going to be tough. um So going that route. So if you got had to with these workhorses, Saquon,
00:51:51
Speaker
ah Henry, JT. That's pretty much how we done. JT probably. He might be the last one that we see for a while. Well, Nick.
00:52:01
Speaker
ah But anyways, you have to get those handcuffs for for those guys. But everyone else that's doing committees, yeah final running back you like in offense. The Saquon pick here, you said it best.
00:52:12
Speaker
Like, in your dynasty rankings, the tiers start to drop and all. Now you actually, it's not just dynasty because people get in a dynasty and think it's for young teams and draft picks. You still have to win games. Yeah.
00:52:23
Speaker
And getting a Saquon here that you can still run on your roster for two to three years as a top-end guy, well, why not here in the second round? yeah I'm not going to go draft R.J. Harvey because he's a rookie here. Now my team needs to be young. No, I still have to win games. I want to win games.
00:52:36
Speaker
I want to win championships. And that's what Junior does, and that's why he's taking Saquon here. Couldn't have said it better myself. All right, so we get up here at 210 and 211, which puts me on the board.
00:52:46
Speaker
And now I'm just going to fire on both off and have you guys make fun of me if you're okay with that. At 210, this is strictly valued because his name is still Patrick Mahomes. Very down year, but I think he's primed for a bounce back.
00:53:00
Speaker
um And then at 211 is CeeDee Lamb. um I'm a CeeDee guy. I can't have the wide receiver fall out of the second round. I still think he's got years to go being a talented player. So it's Patrick Mahomes, CeeDee Lamb. Kind of chalk, but kind of needs to be done.
00:53:13
Speaker
I don't hate the pigs. Patrick Mahomes, though, the question of, you think he's going to have a bounce back year? With who? Kelsey? I mean, he's playing like Eric's right now. He's going to have a good start. Was she Rice? He's still in the league?
00:53:24
Speaker
ah For now. For an now. For now. Put me in jail in a few minutes. I mean, like i mean if you listen to the ZNG pod, this is why I'm in on Pacheco this year, where there hasn't been a lot of talk about any of the other running backs so much.
00:53:37
Speaker
And, I mean, the wide receivers are, er or, you know, going some other places, or, you know, it's just iffy. Now, Patrick Holmes is an improviser, so if he can make stuff happen. Andy Reid, i don't think anyone can talk bad about. about So, I mean, I don't hate the value. you're Like I said, strictly value. yeah Getting the end of the second round, I mean, it's a phenomenal pick. It's for a super flex.
00:53:58
Speaker
CeeDee Lamb, agree. I like CeeDee Lamb. I think I don't like CeeDee Lamb. He's got a lot of playtime left. And I know ah ah another person on this podcast that's here likes George Pickens. So I'm curious how it looks with another player to take some attention away from CeeDee Lamb.
00:54:14
Speaker
Or does CeeDee just draw all the attention and leave George Pickens wide open, you know? I mean, the biggest question with the... ah Cowboys ah offense is that they had no run game. Rest in peace, Chabate.
00:54:25
Speaker
But is Dak, I mean, they're going to have to sling the ball. So Dak can get the ball to them, it's going to be, I mean, you're going to see 50 plus passes a game from that offense. Especially with no Michael Parsons. ah ah Yeah, if Parsons gets traded, it's a real job.
00:54:40
Speaker
This could be, if you get C-11 to 211, he could be the number one overall that you got, ah wide receiver that you picked in the set. And then strictly on volume. Just crappy garbage time touches so at the end of the game. Love that. That's that's why you take Dak Prescott here in the ninth and 2v3.
00:54:57
Speaker
It's not because he's just slinging it. He might throw 20 picks, but he'll throw 30 touchdowns. ah David, and anything with these two picks? I'm out on Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. And I know a lot of people are. we let We're both over out of Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. ah But C.D. Lamb, I think this is right around the value. Yeah. Right after Miko Collins, I think that's where you need to take C.D. Lamb.
00:55:17
Speaker
um So I like that pick a lot. And I think for me, it's one, two, three, four. These are seven receivers. And I think it's a while until there's another receiver i like. I know people are into Brian Thomas. That's fine. and That's just not me. Give me a couple more years.
00:55:29
Speaker
It took me a while to get to Nico. Maybe it took a while to get to Brian Thomas. But these are the top seven, I think, at your receivers. And from here, I can pass. Everyone else is so grouped together that I'm fine with taking Puka and those guys all together.
00:55:42
Speaker
If Puka had a healthy Matthew Stafford, does that change that? No. No. yes Strictly out? um Not out, but... I like Puka. Just... in this break Give me some other players instead.
00:55:54
Speaker
right. Close out here. The second round, Junior. Shocker. The champs picking at the end of the second round again. We did this for a reason. for the podcast um I'm to go with the rookie running back, Amari and Hampton at ah l a LA chargers. um Me and Damien are noted Hampton guys. Love the talent. Nachi Harris, even being injured to start the season ah doors wide open for Hampton to be a stud there.
00:56:17
Speaker
uh, ah Carball is going to one eight want to run a run-heavy offense. He couldn't do it last year, but he will do it this year. um Hampton for years to come, touchdown upside through the roof.
00:56:29
Speaker
And I even like him as a pass catcher a lot. I think if anybody else in this like next tier of running Macs is going to become a workhorse every day running Mac, it's going to be Hampton.
00:56:41
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I was worried about Hampton this upcoming year with Najee there before the eye injury. Just, you know, him stealing, touches it. But with the eye injury to Najee, there's no one else there. This is wheels up for Amari Hampton and a team that's going to run the ball. And they're going to see fields of just run marks where they're just going to run the same lane over to Ogun. Hampton can do it.
00:57:01
Speaker
He's going to dominate the field. Your physicality, your speed, can juke a guy. can do it at all. Yeah, I love Amari Hampton, Gene Mercedo. We both really have him. ah One beat against him, in my opinion.
00:57:12
Speaker
um He's that good. He can see the same work and be just as productive. There are some of that, because he even say he could even be the 1A just because of the offense now that he's got in. You put him with Harbaugh, why not? ah No problem with Amari Hampton.
00:57:25
Speaker
right closing out our second round, we had Amon Ra, Shengenti, I believe Williams at 2-3, Jameer Gibbs, Arvin Harrison, and Drake May in the first half. We closed out with Nico at 2-7, should have went higher. Trey McBride, our third tight end off the board, Saquon Barkley, Patrick Mahomes, CeeDee Lamb, and another rookie at 2-12, Omari and Hampton.
00:57:44
Speaker
ah We got a couple of rookie running backs there in the second round. I kind of like that. i think that's where we need to be. No rookie receivers yet? Not this year. Are we going to be hurting over that? think Yeah, you still got to wait for those. All right, well, I'll start out here at 3-1, just like I started out at 1-1.
00:57:59
Speaker
And in the running back theme, let's go ahead and get a little start, a run here. um I'm taking Bucky Irving here. well Second year guy. ah They're going to hand him the keys to the offense this year. Rashawn White is dead.
00:58:12
Speaker
And I hate to say that. It feels bad, but we all know it's true. um You can tell this guy doesn't listen to the ZNG podcast. So it's Bucky Irvin season. The offense is going to go through him this year and not Baker Mayfield.
00:58:25
Speaker
I like... It was either him or or Junior's guy that sat on Taxi all year and won a championship in H&M. But... But health-wise, I'm going to go with Bucky. Disagree. I think there's a lot of running backs in this tier that I would have taken over Bucky. We've talked about him on our podcast. We're all kind of lower on him than consensus.
00:58:42
Speaker
Not saying he's a bad pick. um I think the offense is still produced. I think they'll still do well. I just don't like how hyped up. And think he's just a little bit too high for my liking um as a value. There's probably three. Yeah, there's three running backs I probably would have taken here instead.
00:58:56
Speaker
Not saying it's a bad pick. It just wouldn't have been my pick. Yep. Did you have him in your top 10 in your redraft rankings? Probably. I can't remember what quarter it was. I had to be in a borderline running back two, three. Like, he's at the back end in the 20s.
00:59:11
Speaker
I was in the Hot Takes pod with Big Bucky, and I'm just out. I'm just out. Hot Takes isn't out yet, so I didn't know you had him out. As of 55. Hey, guys, we're going to take a break here. I'm going to listen to the Hot Takes podcast, and we're going to come back. As everybody else should.
00:59:25
Speaker
go ahead. yeah So you're out too, then? it is it So, Bucky Irvin's not a ZNG guy? No. um I think you're in the range. Like, me and Gary talk about ranges a lot.
00:59:36
Speaker
He's in the range. It's just, it's a minuscule thing where you pick your guy in the same tier. I would have had a couple guys over, like Gary said, but we're in the same tier, so I'm not going to hate on the two. Don't hate to pick. Just would have been a different player. Yeah. nope No, no.
00:59:49
Speaker
That's exactly right. Like when your tears like, who do I like the most in here going forward? Yeah. All right. Let's move on. da and Then it's your tear. You're here at three, too. Yeah. I'm going to take the guy. Oh, man.
01:00:01
Speaker
You lost him. Kyle Pitts is gone. Oh no, will I ever do? Travis Hunter is there. Here we go. Here we go. For running backs, I haven't drafted a running back yet. So I need a running back here on my team.
01:00:12
Speaker
But man, there are some guys staring me in the face. and I don't know if I can go where I want it to go. You don't have to build a team. have to value. a Dynasty value. Dynasty started. Best player available kind of thing. Well, the best player available is going to be Devon 18. Yeah.
01:00:26
Speaker
yeah um Went healthy, could finish as an RB1. ah That's a big question. That's why i was debating between my guy and Devon A-Chain, but if I, this just dies in rankings, yes, Devon A-Chain is over this guy in my rankings, could easily be the RB1 if he stays healthy. That's been a big question.
01:00:44
Speaker
That's been a big topic on our podcast, where we like Jalen Red a lot because we think he's the best handcuff in the league. um But Devon A-Chain, when healthy, is a tier one running back.
01:00:55
Speaker
i don't I don't disagree. That's why I was that. It was Bucky or Hanger. I said, where do I go here? I'll go with Bucky. I know. He's healthy you today. yeah Exactly. but Yeah, i think I think we're all going to have the same take. He's a lead when he's healthy.
01:01:09
Speaker
Oh, no disagreement. Yeah, no qualms. All right. That brings up Champ. Junior, you're up at 3-3.
01:01:16
Speaker
Same thing. lot of good players available. um This is another running back I would have taken instead of Bucky Irving. I'm going to go Jonathan Taylor, running back at Indy. ah Probably the last running back available. Well, no, there was I guess Henry is still there.
01:01:30
Speaker
The last running back available who's going to see all the touches for his team. Daniel Jones getting announced a quarterback actually is a bonus for Jonathan Taylor, which I think is absurd to say out loud. Ha ha! But I'm still a Taylor Truther.
01:01:44
Speaker
RB stable. Helped won me a championship last year, so can never hate on the guy. He actually cost a call ah guy i work at work a championship last year. heard about that. I have to hear about it in like 20 seconds. Any problem with JT here?
01:01:55
Speaker
No, not at all. I mean, their passing game is going to be atrocious, either with A. Rich or Daniel Jones. I said i hate to say that, but... They're going to run the ball. They're going to run JT to the ground.
01:02:06
Speaker
Is he on a contract here this year? if not, he may be getting close, but they're going to give him everything. So he's going to see all the work, no matter what. He's like, he already had his contract. Yeah.
01:02:19
Speaker
So this is where I kind of, where I was struggling with my pick is I think this is where you start to see older running backs. and That's where i thought you were going I value, even in a dynasty startup, CMC above Jonathan Taylor.
01:02:33
Speaker
Cause when he's healthy too, yeah he's a top end running back for sure. And I think you start to put Derek Henry into this question right here at this pick. I know it's dynasty and we want young guys who are going to be on the roster for a while, but we're passing on RB1 solidified guys when healthy. um So this is kind of the range where it's iffy. I don't hate it, but I think this is the range where I probably would have leaned a different way.
01:02:55
Speaker
Yeah. I want to say as you get into your your your startups, the third round is prime for aging studs, but that are still studs. Like you're not going to get it. You're not going see Devontae Adams here because he's an old stud, but the aging, the CMCs, the Henry, you can see some of those guys that that are aging up, but still very productive.
01:03:13
Speaker
It's Ross Saquon, you know, wasn't in that conversation, but he said, he what did he say the interview? still feels young. Yeah. He might play four more years. Absolutely. If anybody's going to... I mean, Derrick Henry kind of broke the age barrier with running backs. He's 30 and he's still producing. The other guy who could do that, I think, is Saquon. I think Saquon can play until he's like 33.
01:03:30
Speaker
at At a high level, too. Especially with this offensive line for the Eagles. ah If anybody's going to do it, to be Saquon. That's stud. And he's a freak. Genetic. Without offensive line, you don't take many hits. Exactly. I mean, he had... I think I saw yards before contact would have ranked him like top three or top five in the league in rushing strictly just yards before contact.
01:03:51
Speaker
A monster. Yeah. right. Guess we would pick up the pace. 3-4 here. Damien, you're up. Yeah. I'm going to take one of my guys. I'm not going to say you should have went earlier. Make this is a little bit of a reach.
01:04:02
Speaker
Give me Tyler Warren. I like it. It's a stud a lot of us love. I think he's up there in the Trey McBride conversations. Personally, I know the QB situation stinks right now, but we draft talent in that situation. So it can be the talent of Tyler Warren.
01:04:16
Speaker
Put that on a t-shirt. Check and mate. No qualms. League winner. Zero qualms. Definitely above Trey McBride. we bring up the taste of Hill aspect that he can run? All right, let's move on.
01:04:27
Speaker
We're going to move on. Judy, you're back up again. Perfect. A lot of good players available. I think I'm going to go wide receiver and kind of stop this run of running max head ends. I'm going to go Drake London.
01:04:38
Speaker
ah My pick for the next wide receiver in this tier. um i I am a Michael Panix guy. I think he's going to be able to produce well enough for fantasy. um Drake London's attached to him. He finally broke out last year.
01:04:49
Speaker
think he's a value here in the third round in a dynasty startup. I'm very happy to this pick. i We were talking about this on ZNG. The consolidation of targets. yeah got Pitts. You got Bijan. got Lutton. Yeah. I mean, he's going to see a ton of work.
01:05:01
Speaker
Did you that order? Did you hear that order, Damien?
01:05:08
Speaker
Go ahead. um I said in a podcast, and I stand by this very firmly, the only person I want in this all offense is Pichel Robinson. I don't know Michael Fenix is a guy. I think he's good. um But in his rookie tape, when I broke it down somewhere, somehow, he was QB7, which was one of the lowest two. He was right above Spencer Lord Rattler.
01:05:27
Speaker
I remember that. Ouch. So... I'm not a big Michael Penix guy. So him leading an ah offense, I just don't know. I love Bichon, but can he support what I want out of Drake London where I'm hoping he's a wide receiver one?
01:05:39
Speaker
I don't know. Can he support ah Kyle Pitt? Kyle Pitt stinks, so we don't have to worry about that. yeah But I just don't know if he's able to boost, like elevate these guys to where we want them to be.
01:05:49
Speaker
So if it's not Bichon, I'm probably out on the Atlanta offense. Yeah. I mean, except for the Kyle Pitts slander, almost everything else you said was real. Like, i I'm just, I'm out on Drake. I'm a USC Drake London guy, not an NFL Drake London guy.
01:06:04
Speaker
I just did. I wasn't a fan. I drafted him and a rookie and traded him almost right away to a guy at work. And I had zero regrets about that. Did it work out for another guy with A.J. Brown? No.
01:06:15
Speaker
All right. So that gets me up on a board. i was hoping the guy would last here because I wanted to spend some time talking about him. In your dynasty startups, this is the very last year.
01:06:26
Speaker
If you haven't done one yet, when you start next year, you will not be able to get this guy of third round. He will be going back in at the first, early second, Jackson, Smith, and Jigba. This is the wide receiver that comes off the board.
01:06:37
Speaker
that The amount of targets he's going to to get with DK gone, he's got Sammy Wills there. That offense is going to change around him. He's going to be a top six dynasty wide receiver when we get to the end of the season.
01:06:48
Speaker
And getting him at 360, JSN time. um I put him on the top 10 for the redraft to this podcast. ca They need to be taking him. I think he's, what, the eighth receiver, ninth receiver here?
01:06:59
Speaker
Perfect timing. Give me some JSN all day. So, Ari's a DK guy. I'm a DK enough guy. Do you think he was that best? state but like My issue with JSN is that the first year he did nothing.
01:07:14
Speaker
Like, absolutely nothing. And now they brought in Cooper Cup, who does the same thing as JSN. Not that he's going to be there dynasty-wise. I don't know. It's a good point.
01:07:24
Speaker
I'm with you. It's a good point. There's a couple other guys I take over. Not that I'm out on him, but there's just a couple things, a couple red flags that I see that I'm just like, I don't know.
01:07:35
Speaker
you know This early, that I'd probably wait. I mean, if you're in on him, you got to get him here. like said, if he does what he does last year, you're not going ever touch him again. so Cut this out when you're editing. yeah better Top six, dynasty, wide receiver.
01:07:49
Speaker
Put it into your high-tech spot because you can lock that in for me. JSN is it. and Leave a comment on it. We're not going to do that. So, no?
01:08:00
Speaker
So, we're at a tier right now, but JSN's at the bottom of that tier. Really? here Compared to the name still here, he's at the bottom of that tier. And I'm not sold on that offense. I think that offense line stinks. Yep.
01:08:14
Speaker
um i think he's gonna see a lot of targets but was sammy wheels a component of kevin mccullough's offense i'm not gonna do out trash it's just a it's just a question of sammy wheels yeah um melrose mine were bad i'm worried um and I think I said this in the pod, I'm worried about Jackson Smith and Jibba, his target share, where he's going to line up.
01:08:34
Speaker
I think it aligns a lot with what Cooper Cupp did. um So I think one of them is going to blow a week and then going to be silent for two and then blow up for a week. So I'm kind of iffy on it. I'm iffy on that entire Seattle offense.
01:08:46
Speaker
um But he's, you took him a little earlier than I would. He's just at the bottom of the tier, but we're in the right tier. So not too many. Please don't tell me there's another guy in that Sure. There better not be two guys in the same tier that's below JSN.
01:09:00
Speaker
one One's in Denver and one's in Jersey. As long as they're not in that tier. As long as they're not that tier, I'm good with it. None of the guys you said are the same Thank you. Okay. Do you? um I think I'm fine with it.
01:09:12
Speaker
um I also have questions about the Seattle offense, but more about the rushing game than the receiving game. ah Cooper Cup is not a guy who scares me much for an aging Cooper Cup compared to JSN. I think they're completely two different levels of players right now in their careers.
01:09:27
Speaker
I think JSN will learn a lot more from Cooper Cup than he will actually lose fantasy production from him. um if anyone If there's anyone I like in that offense, it is JSN.
01:09:37
Speaker
I'm fine with the pick. Okay. I'm good with it. All right. Let's move on then. 3-7 here. Damian, you are back up. Your last pick in the third round. Yeah. So I talked about tiers of running backs earlier.
01:09:48
Speaker
this is where you're going to see CMC come off the board. He could very well be a league winner in this astonishity dynasty setup where you get a solidified guy. Keep in mind, Brandon Ayuk is out for multiple weeks to start the year. It's going to be him and George Kittle and Ricky Kearsall.
01:10:02
Speaker
DMC is going to have a monster workload, especially in the early half the year.
Quarterbacks and Unexpected Performances
01:10:07
Speaker
He's going to win you a lot of weeks early, and he's going to continue production and finish as an RV1 when he is healthy.
01:10:13
Speaker
Give me that easy value here in the third round. yeah No qualms. No qualms. all right If he stays healthy, he's going to produce at a high level. That's the only question with CMC. And it it's with him. Like, we look at his history. When he comes back from an injury, he goes like right back into who he is. yeah So it's nice. And there's no ramp up. now I'm here. so I think we have to talk about it. But the Bryan Robinson trade, don't know how you guys feel about it. It doesn't scare me off of CMC. It just makes him a top end handcuff. That's all is. It does i nothing.
01:10:42
Speaker
Yeah. No, it doesn't take away from him. It adds to his backup. with Like you you said, ah you can use guys out. you' They'll both be on the field at the same time. yeah they They'll just move CMC out then. Hey, go out there and catch some passes. He's like, okay. Yeah, they'll be fine.
01:10:53
Speaker
Brian, go off. All right, then. Dakota, you're up here at 3-8. So I'm going quarterback here. Hey, haven't seen one in a while. I know. We haven't seen one in a while. And every time Damian opened his mouth, he was going to take him.
01:11:04
Speaker
Because it's CJ Stroud. but It is a guy connected to Nico Collins that we all said we really enjoyed. It's a guy who did also attached to another guy Damian likes to change the tickets, who is another big body, wide receiver guy.
01:11:17
Speaker
like Great wide receiver. Not that i have the time. yeah The only issue I think why he's dropping it is the offensive line. but the issue But the thing here is it's dynasty. I think they're going to focus on that line in years to come and build it up.
01:11:28
Speaker
So, giving him to a young quarterback who's shown he knows the game, who can play well, I mean... and You take a down year with a bad offensive line, but then ramp up and have a stud for the rest of his career.
01:11:42
Speaker
Last year, he was, what, third quarterback off the board at Dynasty? I was just going to pick up that point. I vividly remember him going, I think, 1-6 in a Dynasty startup. Yeah. He's going super high. So this is pure value.
01:11:54
Speaker
I mean, just a young stud. Damien? Yeah, I got no qualms here. um I have one quarterback above him, but we're talking tiers at this point, so it doesn't really matter me. Yes, he is connected to Nico Collins, who I absolutely love. He's connected to Jaden Higgins, who I absolutely love.
01:12:09
Speaker
um It's a great pick. like Like I said, I want to take one guy over him, yeah but no qualms. yeah too Junior? ah No qualms. Great value here. um I think a ah junior year bounce back is NCJ Stroud's ride.
01:12:24
Speaker
Oh, man. He lived up as a freshman, gained a sophomore 15, and now he's got to get, okay, got it. He's locking in for junior year I'm going to agree with Damian on this, which is weird. There's only other one more quarterback here before I get to Stroud in my dynasty tier that I put who maybe whenever my next pick comes up, I'll take him off the board. But yeah, no problem with CJ Stroud. I think he's still talented. We saw that in year one. So it's not like year two he fell apart. No.
01:12:47
Speaker
All right. ah Where are we at? 3-9. 3-9. Junior, back up your last pick of the third round. Yeah, I'm kind of shocked this guy is still here. I'm going take wide receiver Brian Thomas out of Jacksonville. um I feel like he's a guy who shouldn't be here at the end of the third round. Here's a guy. Anybody else hear that? Yeah. All right.
01:13:05
Speaker
But, ah yeah, talent-wise, he showed it his rookie, I guess, freshman year out Jacksonville. He finished as a wide receiver four, I believe, in PPR. um Still attached Trevor Lawrence. They got a new head coach there named Cohen that I like.
01:13:20
Speaker
No reason for him not to produce again. i think he stepped back from the YBSE before a little bit, but yeah, I mean, getting him here at the end of third round, I think it's just crazy. Yeah. I mean, i was not a Brian and Thomas guy going into last year.
01:13:32
Speaker
and coming into the rookie. didn't do much until his last year in college. It was scary. You don't usually see that pan out, but he shows he can play. He shows he's a guy. He has another wide receiver on that team to take some, you know, looks away from him. So hopefully he can get open a little bit more and not be the only guy out there running routes for Trevor Lawrence.
01:13:50
Speaker
So, Yeah, um and so we can talk about tiers of wide receiver over Jackson Smith and Jigba. This is one of the guys who's over him in that same tier. I like to pick a lot. um I think he's the clear wide receiver one and, ah and ah again, open offense.
01:14:05
Speaker
So you can't go wrong picking him here in the late 30s. I was not a Brian Thomas guy coming out. Yeah. I was not a Brian Thomas guy last year. yep why break Why break this streak? yeah I'm not a Brian Thomas guy. Yeah, I traded for him.
01:14:18
Speaker
and I had zero shares, want zero shares. i don't I don't hate him. I just, I don't know. He's just... but Let's see. Give me something on year two because he was he was it last year. Who did have? Gabe Davis?
01:14:30
Speaker
Nobody. like they So ah tell me... Evan Ingram. It's hard to distinguish the difference between the great year he had being the only one there. I mean, we saw four or five years ago where Hunter Renfro was a league winner with 117 balls.
01:14:44
Speaker
Not saying he's Hunter Renfro at all. I'm just saying like... With Travis Hunter there, can he still be a top 10 producer? Is that talent there? Like when League Neighbors, we know he's going to because he he's got way more talent than Brian Thomas.
01:14:57
Speaker
Brian Thomas, was he a default because he was it? He did? and what they like and but thank you ah they but know get that back jones started like six gains last year so you can have been better with oh what he did I'm pretty sure Mike was out a couple games. I think there's like three or four games, but yeah. But the one's still in the league. My goodness. No idea. Ryan Thomas Jr. still produced with that.
01:15:23
Speaker
Give me that recurring theme where he can produce with terrible quarterback blood. Mac Jones started two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, eight games. Oh, my God. From week 10 on, it looks like he was playing. how is trevor How much did they pay Trevor Lawrence? That's a whole different podcast.
01:15:39
Speaker
Oh, my goodness. All right, so that leaves us up here to me at 310. I said I wanted to take another quarterback. And Strictly, a young guy. think he had a lot of talent. They want to build talent around him. They're not doing it yet, but they're still trying. They took their fourth wide receiver in the first round in 136 years. well Give me Jordan Love here, quarterback at 310. He's the only one. Him and Straub were right there next to each other. And for a dynasty, I like Jordan Love.
01:16:04
Speaker
I think he's got a big future. Yeah, I'll step in here. Not the quarterback. I thought you were gonna say. What was it the one I had but um with CJ Stroud? I'm kind of iffy on the whole Green Bay offense. I've noticed that I don't really like anyone there.
01:16:16
Speaker
Like they're all okay, but I'm not trying to draft okay. trying to draft great. um So i ah he's in the tier, yeah but just the lowest of the tier. But you hit the tier. CJ is in.
01:16:27
Speaker
Yeah. CJ is in. Yeah.
01:16:31
Speaker
Like you said, they're trying to build around him. i mean, I'm a big Tucker Craft guy, so I think they got that going for him. They're team nice to run the ball. ah Josh Jacobs is the there. He's going to see most of the work.
01:16:42
Speaker
I don't hate to pick in value-wise, but again, not the guy I would have here either. but like it. And no qualms. Appreciate that. All right, let's call out this third round, 311, 312. Dakota, they're both yours.
01:16:53
Speaker
ah We're talking about tiers, and I'm taking two old guys here. I'll go back to back to like Joe. It's tight end George Kittle. It's running back Derrick Henry. I mean, I think we all know their studs.
01:17:04
Speaker
We made cases for them earlier the Pauvithone players. And end your third round with two stars. Zeke, on the ZNG podcast, I normally find a lot of qualms. like the shit oh yeah Here, perfect. Zero qualms. Zero qualms. Way to go, buddy. Do I get a new contract now?
01:17:18
Speaker
No, we'll talk about so Joe's going to catch me here. Here's what I'll say. Okay, here we go. Junior, you are up at 4-1. Ooh, okay. All right. You haven't trapped George Kittle at all. in the fit I mean, yeah he's the only catching option there. If we had done this podcast even a year ago, you guys are beating the streets to get Sam Laporte in a second. And now we're taking Kittle and Laporte's out there?
01:17:43
Speaker
Watch when that's Brock Bowers in two years and Trey McBride. We're still pits. It's still consistent. But go ahead. 4-1. He's flashing the pans. Kittle's career, rookie year, 2020. And there's... and there's Number three finish. Number two finish. Sam LaPorter. He only played eight games. Sam LaPorter. Four, three, five, three.
01:18:01
Speaker
I mean, he'll have a stud. And I think what pushes him up the board for me, he gets a smelling salts back, as well as, if you guys follow along with me. I thought it was amazing. As well as all the injuries to the receiver. Yeah. And, you know, you have seen injuries.
01:18:17
Speaker
He's a guy who's got a stud. So, okay, then. Junior you not picking yet. This guy's got to ruin it. So, all the injuries to receivers, he's the legitimate only receiving threat there. court it like Well, there isn't there is a guy, yeah. Okay, so he's one or two there.
01:18:32
Speaker
So, why not take Travis Kelsey there? All right. You literally just told me when I took Mahomes, there was no one to catch the ball. But I just think that Travis Kelsey did it last year. i don't know if I, or I think. it's age So, that's an age thing.
01:18:45
Speaker
Kittles, Kittles. I mean, they're not that, and they're only year of art. Oh, okay. right. I mean, Travis Kelsey's on the podcast repping his girl's new album, so I don't know if he's really hooked up to football. Okay, fair. Great podcast, by the way. We just listened to it. Great podcast. Was it awesome? Oh, yeah. Okay. All right. For all the listeners want to hear, I miss Whitby. She is incredible. right, we got two rounds left. You guys want to take a break or you want to power through? Let's go.
01:19:07
Speaker
4-1, Junior, you're up. I'm going to take another rookie, Ronnie Mac, which I love because I love this last year's class. Give me Travion Henderson here. Oh, wow. I am buying the hype, the preseason hype on Hendo.
01:19:18
Speaker
um I think he is going to be explosive in that ah offense. If we all like Drake May, we're going to want the receiving running back for him as well. um I think Hendo is a great player, um and I want him attached that Drake May future. So give me Henderson.
01:19:32
Speaker
Here's the fourth round. i think you I don't know about you guys, but Junior was up. It was one or two rookie <unk>ie running backs here. I'm in on Hendo as well. We talked about this. There's a third guy on our podcast who is not at the same level we are, but Junior and I are all in. This is going to be a stud.
01:19:50
Speaker
found myself on an island again. You're used to that, though. I am used to it. people um Over-Quin-Sean Jenkins is gross to me. ah Really? With his situation? For the people in the back, say it again. Wow.
01:20:03
Speaker
Over-Quin-Sean Jenkins is really gross. I know he's not going to start. i was Quinn-Sean guy, too. He's a far superior running back to Travion Henderson. i thought you then got a bad delight here I thought you were going to go. I didn't think you were going quit Chai Drunkins because it's a little rough play early. i thought you were going to go RJ Park. I thought about it. also like over Trayvon Henderson.
01:20:24
Speaker
Now, I ah could deal um like Trayvon Henderson. In the injury history, that bugs me. And I think slightest bit over value. And for this pick to go over Quintry Drunkins is absurd to me. I'm not on board with that at all.
01:20:35
Speaker
ah Here, let me argue for myself. The Browns offense, I'm fleshed out. I've got a lot of questions about. Me going back to defending myself about taking Henderson over Judkins. It's all the green flags for Henderson and all the red flags for Judkins.
01:20:47
Speaker
Judkins has the off-field issues. He's still not fine for the Browns. I don't like the Browns offense. I don't think they're going to produce. I don't think he's going to be in a lot of touchdown scoring. positions. He hasn't even shown up to camp in the last like three or four weeks since he's basically been in jail down in Florida.
01:21:01
Speaker
And all of the green flags for Henderson where he is yeah returning kickoff ah kickoff start the game to the end zone. um He's catching all the swing routes in their training camp ah scrimmage games. It's been all green flags, arrows up for Henderson, and I'm buying the hype.
01:21:22
Speaker
ah Are we not working It's going to sound like this is a really gross sentence. But are we not worried about Ramondre or Andy or Gibson at all? Dynasty purposes? Absolutely. No change.
01:21:34
Speaker
i don't even know if I like Henson. I like Ramondre for this season. Like, you'll be okay. But dynasty purposes, i there's no nobody fighting Henderson that job. We good? Talk into that one.
01:21:44
Speaker
Mark, i hello, hello, hello, hello. I can't tell if it's picking up. heard that it's sounding fine okay so it wasn't always flicking up whenever it popping i wasn't sure if it was catching it this mic or this mic so i want to double check before we got all the way through and it was quiet what be quiet i guess yeah yeah you if you're gonna argue with them on this some more and i'll follow with it uh for two then damien you're up oh but what is this going to be circus no it is not um Actually, I told you he was going to come off the
Late Round Picks and Surprises
01:22:16
Speaker
board.
01:22:16
Speaker
It's Sam Laporta. How he fell here is crazy to me. i think he's right around that tight end five range in Dynasty where I want him. Still on a very good ah offense.
01:22:27
Speaker
Still going to be very productive. I don't worry about any wider receiver there outside of Aminor Asang Brown. He should see a significant role again this year. a slight regression from his tight end one finish.
01:22:38
Speaker
But to go at tight end six, seven, perfect value. yeah Yeah, I think this is a fine pick. I'm not going to argue this at all. um He turned it on at the end of last year. I mean, the middle of the season, he definitely struggled, and he probably lost the guys a lot of weeks.
01:22:52
Speaker
There's not a lot of championship teams that had Laporte on them last season. But I think you can turn it around. Great player, great talent. They just got get the Baltimore. Not a lot of championship, but like that. I mean, when you start off, you're getting eight points, three points, five points, and you were drafted as tight end one overall, I believe, last year. Pretty high. Yeah, it it doesn't end well for you.
01:23:14
Speaker
I'm fine with it. There's one more tight end I would have taken over him. But it's not a bad pick by any means. Okay. um Yeah, this is this is what I say. This this is my Trey McWright argument. You're going get a guy at the same rate. You get him, like, later on. Let me get, like, take an upside of rookie there.
01:23:27
Speaker
um I do want to take him over to left tackle from the round earlier. I don't know why. But whatever. Left tackle is finished high on the cowpits. Yeah. I can't plan the same thing, though. They make outfits that block, too. But anyway, all right, let's move on to 4-3. Get through this, Junior. You're back on the beginning. I'm going back up.
01:23:42
Speaker
I can make another controversial pick. This is going great. I'm going to take another wide receiver out of Jacksonville. Give me Travis Hunter. Get here. No! Me and Zig and I believe Joe are very notorious Travis Hunter guys.
01:23:55
Speaker
He was my wide receiver one going into the season over Tet. I'm drafting him over Tet McMillan. a I love the player. I love the talent. He's explosive. He has great hands. You can get him the ball anywhere and you make a play.
01:24:07
Speaker
um I'm not going to be the guy who misses out on how great Travis Hunter can be. So I'm going to take him here at the beginning of the fourth round. And to be honest, I think that is a good, good value for the player he can become.
01:24:19
Speaker
Damien. Gross. I hate that I'm on an island here. Why do you why do you hate Travis Hunter? I don't. He hates good players. It's value he's taking at. but It's the same argument I have with Kyle Pitts for years.
01:24:30
Speaker
I always liked Kyle Pitts. It was the value at which you're taking the talent. This is way too early. Way too early. the Somehow, Kukunuku, Ladd McConkie, and A. Brown are still on the board. Easily.
01:24:43
Speaker
over Travis Hunter because Travis Hunter wants to play both ways and I think he's a much better corner than he is a wide receiver. A much better corner. I think in my wide receiver breakdowns, Travis Hunter finished as my wide receiver seven this year.
01:24:57
Speaker
I don't think he's...
01:25:00
Speaker
No, isn't it absurd? Isn't it absurd? It's so crazy. I think I misheard And this kid says he likes him. I love him as a corner. He won top of the award for the best wide receiver in football. But he's wide receiver for the other. It's absurd. I don't know that makes sense. i What did you just say?
01:25:15
Speaker
He won the award. Guess who he likes guess who likes on the same team? And you add him as wide receiver the other. It doesn't make sense. I shouldn't should should have went in the first round. That's overall. Should have Jackson Darts and nobody. No, I just I know I'm against the grain here.
01:25:28
Speaker
And I thought I thought it's more common. I don't think I'm the only one on this boat. This is where you're, you're, you're, you're not, you're not, you're the only one in here on it. Maybe you can find three other people in the streets, but the community, they're not that low on Travis Hunter, with the receiver.
01:25:47
Speaker
hi you now it' I don't think it's low. I think it's where he should be. I think he's overvalued. I don't want you to speak for your your partner in crime over there, Joe Thomas, but what is David's thoughts on Travis Hunter?
01:26:00
Speaker
Do we know? Can we? Because I would absolutely love to hear his takes on this. Let's call him. um I don't know. He is recording progress.
01:26:12
Speaker
I'm sorry. I just told you be a great job. Anyways. I don't know. um um Sorry, guys. I got to mute. Yeah. David is good. He's got one, two, or seven. I can tell you. um he will he's worried about both ways. David, he's a wait-and-see approach.
01:26:31
Speaker
He's wait-and-see. So he's not going to with us. He's not going to be with you. Which the wait-and-see may be the right approach. It may be the right approach at all. and yeah I'm going to be the guy who missed this one.
01:26:41
Speaker
I'm not going to be the guy. i mean And neither will Jacksonville. That's why they went up in general. He's such a good corner. That's why they went up in general. He has a great corner. I'm not saying he's not an elite corner. He leaps. I think if he were just a, he's not going to, but solely play corner, top five as soon as he starts to leap. Oh, yeah, I agree. Top five.
01:27:00
Speaker
So I'd much rather, I value as a wide receiver. I would, I think he, at Jacksonville, eventually they're going to play a lot more at corner. And that's what I'm worried about is timeshare. I think he's a good wide receiver.
01:27:11
Speaker
I'm just not taking him above. Puka Nakua is still here. And McConkie's still here. AJ Brown's still here. i understand that thing. For me, it's it's getting my guy here, and I really want to talk about it. come to guy That's a wild statement.
01:27:23
Speaker
I'm with you, Joe. He's a lad. Clip it! Let's move on. We're in 4-4. Oh, crap. This is me. Where are we going here, buddy? Oh, I was not prepared. A lot of value on the board here. ah I mean, we're talking, there's some good value.
01:27:36
Speaker
Someone just said Kuka was on the board. Someone said that Ladd was on the board. I'm going to say that we're taking A.J. Brown off the board. We like the offense. We like Jalen Hurts. He's got a good four or five more years. My man's still reading out in the brain. Give me A.J. Brown right here. Great pick.
01:27:53
Speaker
Great pick. No qualms. No qualms. Should have went before, but yeah, no qualms. No qualms. Move on. right, move on. Junior, this is your last pick of the third round. Getting in and getting out.
01:28:03
Speaker
um Who do I want to go here? To be honest, I'm kind of looking at the running back position. Am I? No, I think I'm going to be the guy who takes Puka Nakua.
01:28:14
Speaker
um Just a value here at the fourth round. Shelfie made it this far. um I'm not a Puka Nakua guy. I'm not a Matthew Stafford guy. I'm kind of a little bit out on an offense. I am worried about his back. But Dynasty purposes, Puka Nakua will be good for...
01:28:27
Speaker
years to come hopefully they're bringing a new QB there I think it's also the fact he's still here is kind of bad so I'll take him here on the board there are a few QBs on the roster no sir Guy Work told me Seth has been with a guy so that's all I'm glad that Guy Work said that because it seems to feel even better that they don't have it but yeah Anybody any problems with Puga here? Nope.
01:28:48
Speaker
Should won earlier. So I feel like now that before we get to the next pitch, which would be me anyway. ah So we talked about second round, yeah ah second round dynasty startup, first round studs, right?
01:28:59
Speaker
Plain and simple. That's why Kyle Fitzwin wants us. Second round. Second round, the industry startups, create you can see some rookie running back. There's a rookie wide receiver set out there. um You're starting to get no wide receiver.
01:29:10
Speaker
Third round, you're getting your vets. So third round, we're into the fourth round now. And now you can start, you can get your value, I think. Guys that have fallen because people want to rookie heavy. um You're going to get some value guys that still have four, five, six good years in them.
01:29:24
Speaker
um and depending on what position you want so i feel like every pick we're going to have here or most makes except for mine you're going to get some good value here and trevor hunter was probably travis hunter probably should have went earlier and know now that we talked about that yeah probably should have went earlier next year we might be thinking about mika wouldn't surprise me
01:29:41
Speaker
This is a family-friendly show. So I'll get on the board here at 4-6. Quenchon. want him to Quenchon? He's staring at you, man. He is. So that means I have to live it and go Colston Loveland either. He would have been my period. I've been waiting for him. waiting for my tech.
01:29:59
Speaker
I think ah we talked about it earlier. He's getting the weapons there in Chicago. like He has no excuses. Cole Komet, Notre Dame, he's dead. It's Colston Loveland season.
01:30:10
Speaker
But between him, Luther Burton, Roma Duneza, and DJ Moore, I mean, it's a lot of mouths to feed. But for years to come, why not? Give me Colson here. you You said it yourself. You would be taking shots at the rookie ah tight ends in the second round.
01:30:23
Speaker
You got him in the fourth. It's great value. Yes, there's a lot of mouths to feed there. but like you said, he's a stud. He's there for years to come. ah DJ Moore's not going to be there for forever. So it's going to be Roman Luther and Colson Loveland.
01:30:34
Speaker
This is a great pick. No qualms. Would have been my pick. one One of the better picks in the entire draft. Yes. I'm always going to try the better one. um ah um dish All right. Let's move a on. We're here at 4-7. Damian, this is you.
01:30:46
Speaker
Well, I said he was staring you in the face. I'm to take him here. This is Quentron Jenkins. So my RB3 coming into this draft, and he was a clear two. i had a 1A, a 1B, and a clear two. Then there's a break.
01:30:58
Speaker
This is a clear two. I love his tape coming out. um It sucks with the off-the-field issues. I'm not really sure what that is, but he should be a a full go come week four, five.
01:31:08
Speaker
I don't think he's going to get suspended by the NFL because all charges were dropped. um But this is a guy in Dynasty I want a lot. my My biggest concern, and I'm not even worried about the off the field stuff, people bounce back from that.
01:31:20
Speaker
It's this franchise. Hey, Nick Chubb worked out. Who doesn't love a Chubby Dovey? It's going to be the same thing here. I mean, he's not yeah you're not wrong. but You're talking about the guy who tried to trade six first. and I will forever bring that up. Six first for Nick Chubb.
01:31:33
Speaker
In straight cash. In straight cash. What's going on right here? I love it. so You got problems here with Quinchon? No, I don't. No, dynasty-wise, he's still a great great pick. Hopefully that offense and that the franchise can turn itself around, but Quinchon's a great player.
01:31:49
Speaker
I think Kevin Stefanski is a good head coach. Yeah. So I think that's what gets like, I'm fine with taking Quinn shot here because of that. If you put anyone else in there at the moment, I think I'm a little more concerned, but.
01:32:00
Speaker
All right, Dakota, you're up here for eight. i I'm going with another rookie here in Ted McMillan. i i Most of us are Bryce guys. Damian and I are. I think he's got some life left in him, and he's kind of left for dead.
01:32:15
Speaker
There's not many other wide receivers there. Adam Thielen's not going to last. Coker, I don't think, is going to be there. It's going to be Ted McMillan taking the... Coker was a guy I was trying to buy into cheap at the end of last year just to see if he would come out.
01:32:26
Speaker
But it's going to be... Well, it's going to be his Ted McMillan and... Coker's a weird way to say Xavier Lecate. You're leaving the guy out there. I was trying to tee Damien up, but I got taken the wrong way there. but yeah to it's It's going to be Dynasty Boxing Magic.
01:32:42
Speaker
On Netflix after Jake Paul and whoever else is now. Netflix after Dark. Yeah. Ted McMillan here. I think he is going to be almost as good as Travis Hunter. ah I got no qualms here. He's my next barbers here off the board.
01:32:56
Speaker
Good pick. Almost as good as Travis Hunter. It's insane. This is the range. You guys should Travis Hunter too high because I like the talent, but I'm still on the board. And he's after that.
01:33:07
Speaker
He's after that. All right. look I'm saying he's high. just i it for him this round He's just after that. And I don't think that's too hot. I'm going to let you pick this next big name in Europe. Yeah, I take that name anymore.
01:33:18
Speaker
but we not in that name anymore No, and ah ah because there's great value elsewhere. yeah We haven't talked quarterback in a long time. Give me Baker Mayfield. That's a good pick. That's the name you've got to pick? Yes, and explosive offense beyond all get out, and he's only going to get Chris Godwin back in the middle year.
01:33:36
Speaker
Completely healthy. Got a mega buka. Mike Evans is still a stud. This is a great passing offense that will continue to flourish. He'll finish as a top seven quarterback this year. Very good pick. It's a great pick. I mean, if you listen to the ZNG podcast, we talked about how they're going to keep running through Baker.
01:33:52
Speaker
We don't think Bucky's a guy because we think Baker is going to take the next. Keep continue staying on top and just run with the team. Okay. I'm fine with it. Big, listen to you. You got two in a row, 4-10, 4-11.
01:34:04
Speaker
So one of my guys here, I'm curious on how you're gonna how you're going to accept my take here. It's going to be DK Metcalf. He's a little bit lower in the dynasty rankings, but he is only 27. He is an absolute monster and a freak athlete.
01:34:19
Speaker
And one of my biggest hits of DK is that there's one, no one else there. I mean, we already talked about ah there's no... Their quarterback's probably not on the team either. and I don't think Will Howard's a guy. So we're going to...
01:34:31
Speaker
Throw to DK Metcalf. We're going to see all... Yeah, I know. and that I'm going to get so much hate for this pick. Gary's already counting how many guys take over. i was just doing wide receivers. I got more.
01:34:42
Speaker
Here's the thing, though. We know that Pittsburgh can use wide receivers. If they actively went out and traded for a guy, it is a guy they are in on. And I don't trust any other team to utilize a wide receiver better than Pittsburgh.
01:34:55
Speaker
That's the whole reason I'm in on him. I'm taking a shot. yeah They traded a second round pick for DK Metcalf. They believe in the guy. I'm going to trust Mike Tomlin. Damien? He's the worst pick of the night. um Thank you.
01:35:09
Speaker
Peace of all. We still got Aaron Rodgers there, and even when Aaron Rodgers wasn't there, George Pickens is a very ah very similar guy. They misutilized him entirely. um So it's going to be the same thing of just kind of mediocre where you're kind of hoping, but it never really happens. um This is a very gross pick.
01:35:25
Speaker
I agree with Damian. It was kind of nasty. You could have gotten probably a whole round, if not two later. i counted four wide receivers off top of my head. I would have taken over DK Metcalf. To be honest, I don't disagree with his take that they can maybe utilize him well because he is a very talented player.
01:35:40
Speaker
I just don't love the situation there, and he could have gotten a lot later. um I will just say two things. ah One, i had to scroll further down to find him that I did when looking for Kyle Pitts in the first round. And two, they're the wide receiver two out there out of taking over D.K.
01:35:54
Speaker
and T. Higgins. Higgins. I mean, i was yeah, I was thinking about Smith as well. with it Yeah. go But ah he went in the fifth round of the Z&G mock draft as well. So you took him.
01:36:05
Speaker
I took him, and you told me it was a great pick. Go back and listen to it. was a redraft, not dynasty. yeah Two very different things. Fair. but i have um And you got another one here. This is Josh Jacobs, a team that i think is going to run the ball, who I think can absolutely dominate the running back landscape.
01:36:21
Speaker
um There's no backup behind him that's worth noting. It's Josh Jacobs. I didn't think he'd go with that running back. i mean, we were talking about the other rookie that we all liked that I thought was going to here. But yeah, I mean, if you fourth round, you're highly productive NFL players that are older.
01:36:36
Speaker
ah Again, Jacobs is right in that tier. Workhorse compared to the other rookie that's going to be a committee. There's nobody behind him. No one can make it to stay healthy. And the wide receivers are you know still need to prove themselves. please Yeah.
01:36:48
Speaker
Demiring back to the G&G podcast. sigh um It's okay. Definitely some guys that would be taking over him, especially in Dynasty, but it's a 9 pick. I'll call out the fourth round with Lyle McConkie staring right in my face. If you want to stay there, we're taking Roma Doomsday. Roma Doomsday, he's the future there in Chicago.
01:37:07
Speaker
god You said yourself, DJ Moore won't be there forever. I love a Doomsday coming out. yeah I told David about watching my receivers. He didn't want to buy it. Nope. And now he's all in. Yep. I have one qualm with what you said.
01:37:18
Speaker
I like Luther Burton more. Oh, I was Luther freshman year, Mr. Moore. Yeah, I like Luther a lot more. Those two and Colston, that's the future there. Yeah. but All right.
01:37:30
Speaker
Junior. Oh, yeah. Let's recap that. Well, we're out. That fourth round. Don't for some. Javier Henderson there at 4-1. Sam Laporta. Travis Hunter. A.J. Brown. Puka Nakua. Colston Loveland there at 4-6. Another tight end.
01:37:45
Speaker
Quinchon Judkins. Seth McMillan. Baker Mayfield. The only quarterback there in the fourth round. DJ Metcalf, Josh Jacobs, and closing out 4-12 with Roma Dunez. We're hitting our fifth and final mock round.
01:37:56
Speaker
And Junior, you're going to start us off with 5-1 and 5-2. Oh, man, I get back-to-back picks. Beautiful. um I'm not going to be a guy who takes 11-conky. I'm taking my rookie running back this year that we all love, RJ Harvey. Yep. Running back of the Denver.
01:38:08
Speaker
um I am a guy who notoriously just overdrafts rookies in guys in the start of leagues, which you can tell. Because I'm the guy who took Kendo, Travis Hunter, RJ Harvey. wouldn You know, if we can name ah all of them. But Hampton as well. I love rookies. I like young kids.
01:38:21
Speaker
um Me and Damien were on this guy in college. Got a great landing spot there in Denver. Even got the high draft capital in second round. Wheels up. He has to be, they have to find out a role for him, but I think they will.
01:38:34
Speaker
And, know, I love the play. No qualms. No qualms. The only problem I have is you said I'm the guy that likes to draft rookies and startups. You also have to say I'm also the guy that wins championships.
01:38:45
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. anxiety that it's true yeah i I will say as the resident Bronco fan, J.K. Dobbins is the better value and it's in it's but in your redraft. And for a short term, if you're looking to win now, i think J.K. Dobbins is the better value.
01:39:01
Speaker
But for a dynasty outlook, it's R.J. Harvey for years. If you're drafting R.J. and around 4, 5, 6 in your dynasty, you're taking Dobbins and 10, 11, or 12. You have to. Yep. I think Dobbins is one of the worst takes and continues to be one of the worst takes in this ah offense. He's not making it past week three without RJ Hart taking over.
01:39:19
Speaker
And i I don't feel like that's a hot take, but in the ZNG podcast, Zig is so high on JK Dobbins and I don't understand why. But I don't think it's ever a take-off, not in a Sean Payton system. It's going to be a committee, but I think Harvey will be the for sure number one at that time.
01:39:34
Speaker
yeah All right. With my next pick, I think I've taken kind of an underrated dynasty value pick here at running back again. Give me Chase Brown running back out of Cincinnati. League winner. um I mean, complete breakout season last year. He's still going to, believe, his third year at in the NFL. um and The guy showed you no reason not to take him.
01:39:54
Speaker
uh the even the bengal didn't bring in any opposition to fight for him for his position that was the biggest thing if they were going draft like a day two early day three running back maybe take away a little bit of touches from chase brown but that doesn't exist that's a high-powered offense that i want running back forward give me chase brown here in the fifth round they even cut that wall so like they're like hey how's your guy anybody any problems i am not a chase brown guy listen to the hot takes you're But I'm going to say that this is great value. should feel even better. But but I'm going to this great value for him.
01:40:24
Speaker
To get him this late, it's it's pure value pick. I mean, I'm not upset at this pick, even though I'm not a fan. Good round, you tip you're trying to hear you again you're trying to win this year and more. Yeah, um so I don't want another guy over him, but it's just tiers at this point, and he's in the same tier, so I don't want to fight too much, but I was very shocked because I would have taken a guy clearly over him. Speaking of it, is this the guy you would have taken? This is a guy that should have went a long time ago. I'm taking a lot of the comments off. He's still here in the fifth round.
01:40:51
Speaker
I don't understand. Even if you don't like him for next year, this guy is a premier fantasy asset to have in your ah offense as a clear wide receiver one on a team. I don't understand how he fell this far. I think it's exceptional value. He could have easily went early fourth round, and there would have been no qualms from me.
01:41:10
Speaker
Now I steal him here in the early fifth. Bob's your uncle. BYU, I am actively... actively trying to trade Garrett Wilson.
01:41:21
Speaker
If offered me Ladd McConkie for Garrett Wilson, I'd kick him out of the league. Ladd McConkie is not a guy. I'd keep Garrett Wilson. You guys know how I feel about Garrett Wilson. I might. No, can't go that far. But I would keep Garrett Wilson. Wow.
01:41:34
Speaker
McConkie's not a guy. He won't be a guy. this is Omari and Hampton. That's it. Wow. You got to be on the hot take spot. yeah I mean, my take was out that I think McConkie is a little overvalued um for me in drafts nowadays. I just think he didn't produce enough for me his first year to warrant him being a wide receiver one in dynasty redrafts.
01:41:54
Speaker
um Even in redraft leagues, he's going at like the beginning of the second round. That is absurd to me. Their offense doesn't throw enough. And Herbert hasn't told me enough as a quarterback to... Hasn't been thinking. Yeah. Which is, there's a reason for that. um But to be honest, if I'm a who's here in the fifth, I'm fine with.
01:42:08
Speaker
I think this is where his value should be. And I think that the fact he's fallen here shows that. Go to anything? Oh, I agree. right. I'm up next with 5-4 and 5-5. oh Man, I wanted another the quarterback here.
01:42:22
Speaker
And we're doing Dynasty, right? Yes, sir. Let me get J.J. McCarthy off the board right here. Yep. He's paired with Justin Jefferson. Yep. Got the head coach. He's in that offense. Why not?
01:42:33
Speaker
Let's get J.J. McCarthy off the board. um And then follow that right back up with the wide receiver. ah We said it earlier. i mean, I said it earlier after the DK. I love it to you against that. He's still young.
01:42:45
Speaker
And even though Jamar Chase isn't there, he's finishing top 15. Signed another four-year deal, so he's going to be there for a while. great pick. It was going be my next pick, too. McCarthy in O'Connell's system. Any the quarterback in O'Connell's system is actually decent.
01:42:59
Speaker
No problem's either one of those picks for me. She's got to be nice to me. All right, Zigg, you're up here. i said I had T. Higgins... ah teed up. hit la me I think I'm going to go with a wide receiver here.
01:43:11
Speaker
Another rookie wide receiver, actually, in Emeka Mbuka. I like it. ah we're bit We're high on that Tampa Bay offense, especially that passing game. He's only 22, set Ohio State reception record.
01:43:22
Speaker
He's a really good player. I'm kind of under the radar right now as well. I still feel like even though he's still gaining steam, I think he should have been higher. Yeah, i I love this pick. I think I a pick coming up. I was kind of hoping to be able to talk about it because I will now.
01:43:37
Speaker
I think he's going to get off to a hot start now that Chris Baldwin's not going to start the season. And Jalen McMillan's injury, he went down. He probably won't be there to start the season. He's going to get off to a hot start, and I don't think he's going to give his job back. I think Ibuka's really good. I think he's solid wide receiver, too, there for that offense. And we talked about how we love Baker this year.
01:43:53
Speaker
Ibuka is a reason we love Baker. Great player. I don't hate it. I don't like it either. Above Smitty is ludicrous to me. um And there's i think there's a couple other guys I'd rather have.
01:44:08
Speaker
I like Ibuka as a player, and he's going to see playing time early, and I think that's swaying you guys a little bit. But this is Dynasty. We're looking at long hauls here. um i don't think you should be touching this round.
01:44:18
Speaker
I think it's too early. If McMillan's not hurt, is is he still going here in the fifth? Can't be. Probably end of the fifth. I probably would take Mendel's will. I probably would with Godwin's injury. If Godwin wasn't hurt, is he going here? If Godwin wasn't fully healthy, I'd probably say he drops down another round.
01:44:34
Speaker
But it's still a dynasty. He's still a rookie. I mean, you got Godwin, who's um injured, who's getting older. You got Mike Evans, who may retire after topping Jerry Rice's 1,000-yard record here.
01:44:44
Speaker
He's going to see plenty time. They dropped him 19th overall. For my only reason why is this a, you know, opportunity thing? Oh, well, he's going to be dead. So I'm sure I've got to take it now or that you really believe in that he's going to be that talented because.
01:44:59
Speaker
ah Yeah, he set the receiving a record there because he had to keep going back. He wasn't going to see other guys that could come out after three years. not He had to play four years. Which is fair. I i do like the talent. i think he is I think he's talented. I think he's a great route runner as well. like I don't think he's going to be a huge burner, but a PPR guy, and especially, like said, tied to that offense right now.
01:45:17
Speaker
Again, count on that running game. I know Baker. like I've been ah a Buka guy for a while, but this is still too early for me. I think he's in the tier. He's like, you know what, never mind. I'll explain that. You're up here. I'm back up. Yeah, this is your last pick up in my drive.
01:45:32
Speaker
We didn't want to talk about you will know it. Give me the next tight end off the board. Give me TJ Hawkinson out of Minnesota. I like him a lot this year for a little bounce back here. JJ McCarthy coming back. His favorite weapon in college was Colson Loveland. Tight end.
01:45:45
Speaker
um I absolutely love it. I think he bounced back here. Fully healthy, fully healthy offseason. um I think he stays healthy. He's the number two option there. ah Jordan Addison is also going to be suspended to start the year.
01:45:56
Speaker
So he'll get more acclimated with McCarthy to start the season. I think pretty good value here in a 10-in premium region the middle of season. to say, I was not ready for you to throw it to me there. um This may get me kicked out of the house, but go blue.
01:46:09
Speaker
and Yeah, I think this is a great value pick. I'm a big Hawk fan. ah Their wide receivers are really injured right now. So even a hot start this year.
01:46:19
Speaker
And I mean, I he's going to become JJ's favorite target outside of Justin Jefferson. Great value. Love it. He's next item in for me too, as well. yeah You had that eight. right, Damon, you're here. Five, eight. How this guy stayed on the board this long. i don't know. It's James Cook.
01:46:35
Speaker
but the Great running back. ah It was on a lot of podcasts. I've done apparently I went on this guy. Yeah. But an elite guy, and I know he had 18 touchdowns last year, he's not going to replicate that. But man, Junior brought up a good point our last podcast.
01:46:48
Speaker
He didn't have nearly as many catches as he did as he normally does. So in your PPR leagues, he's going to get boosted up a little bit. He's still in one of the best offenses in the NFL. And I said it before, the team looked better when he was getting 15 to 18 looks a game instead of just, you know, eight or 10.
01:47:05
Speaker
And to get him this late in a dynasty draft, I think it's a steal. He was going to go off the next pick. He didn't go off here, which leaves me with the two guys at the top that I don't want to take. I mean, it's all right, but you heard it enough from me.
01:47:22
Speaker
I'm all way back in on Cook after he got the contract extension, so no reason not to take it. All right, we're gonna we're closing it down here. ah Final four. I'm up here at 5'9". There are two names staring me right in the face.
01:47:34
Speaker
And I refuse, absolutely refuse to take them. but Both jets. Cannot do that. So you said it earlier. What happens if one of them isn't a jet after this year?
01:47:44
Speaker
Resolve that. don't care where you are. Sorry. um So I got to go. Can't do that either. Portland Suns. So I'm going to go back. It's a still tight end premium league. We're in the fifth round now.
01:47:56
Speaker
Hey, I don't like I'm trading now. Can I trade? I'm going to go Devontae Smith here. Where
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01:48:03
Speaker
to reel it in? Now I'm getting some talent here. Devontae Smith. He's the best Bama receiver in this draft.
01:48:12
Speaker
I have a feeling I should argue that. I can't think. It's coming. don't want to argue it. It's coming. and Okay, in this round. ah i yeah Yeah, it's a good pick. i thought you were going to panic pick an awful cut down there, but I think you saved it.
01:48:23
Speaker
um Yeah, I just didn't see anything there that I thought i loved for Dynasty in this area. Devontae Smith took A.J. Brown in the fourth. I still think he has three, four, four years. We know Smith, he's got six seven. Oh, yeah. He's still a stud, and he can get you the game where he's gone for like 200 yards.
01:48:38
Speaker
He's that good. So why not? right, so we're going to call out the last three picks. It'll be Dakota, Damian, and Dakota. Have at it. Dakota, you're first. So one guy I'm um grabbing here, I'm going to save my last one ah for my last pick here because I i do enjoy the guy.
01:48:52
Speaker
But this is going to be Caleb Johnson, rookie running back. We're a big rookie running back of his last class. and Johnson's going to have the hole on that RB1 spot in Pittsburgh for a long time.
01:49:03
Speaker
I think he's a great player. the combine kind of brought his value down a little bit, which I don't think it should have, but yeah, Caleb Johnson here, fifth round running back. Fine thing for me. I'm not the biggest Caleb Johnson guy, but here at the end of fifth, I have no real issues.
01:49:17
Speaker
I prefer some bets. Yeah. I got sniped. Yes. That was a good feeling. I talked about this before. I don't know. Right there.
01:49:28
Speaker
yeah but oh No, no, I'm a lunch bell guy. I love Caleb. I tried to talk about him during the season, and I got shut down in the Jags. This pick was between Caleb and Kyron for me, Kyron Williams. The Stafford injury, I think, is just going to draw everything back, so I'm worried about Kyron.
01:49:45
Speaker
Well, then Damien, you got tonight. Now you got to go take Garrett Wilson. Don't stop me. No, I absolutely. Zig, I know where you're going, and I'm debating between him and another guy. I'm good. If I want to talk about him, I might not talk about him enough. You know, I'm going to take, ah we talked about plenty times before, Shailen water type.
01:50:01
Speaker
and Alabama receiver. He's going to take over this offense. um i got fine And we've talked about this plenty of times on the ZNG podcast, so be sure to listen back to pretty much any of the last five podcasts. We about him when I came home with you guys. He's going to see the room this year. Very big, my guy. We're all kind of in on him. Bounce back here coming for sure.
01:50:24
Speaker
um i like a lot. I'm going to talk a little bit more just that way Dakota has time actually find a pitch. Yeah, there's a reason he's going off over Tyree Taylor because Wano's going to take over that room.
01:50:35
Speaker
Tyree Taylor's on his way out there, man. And I feel like his value hates falling because people still see Tyree Hill yeah and they forget who Taylor Waddle is. It's almost like they can't take him over him even though they know they should. Yeah.
01:50:46
Speaker
We are. i got no qualms there. Like I said, um I was debating between a guy and while Zig tries to figure out his next picks, you're welcome. I was debating between Jaden Higgins. That's so much I love him. um Jaden Higgins is... Yeah, it's...
01:51:00
Speaker
is it's a huge my guy and I understand to reach but it's probably about as much of a reach as you guys had for Travis Hunter. guy's thing I want when I scout a wide receiver and if he just so happens to be on the same offense as Neepo Collins but this guy is going to light up leaves.
01:51:16
Speaker
There is at least two other rookie wide receivers I would have taken. ropes I would have taken burden and I would have Golden's for. Burden's closed. Holden's not anywhere. would have still taken Golden. You done looking? I'm ready. Whenever you guys are.
01:51:29
Speaker
Are you going to say what I think you're going to say? that So we could just pivot. Oh, so I'm going to bring it. So there's a lot of names here. The last pick is hard. I mean, I'm looking at Trevor Lawrence. I'm looking at Cortland Sutton. I'm looking at, in reality, there's players like x Xavier Worthy, I think, that should be brought up here.
01:51:46
Speaker
mom Those are good players. Good. there you know But tight end premium, this pick, I think the last guy in a tier for me is Tucker Craft. um Like, they said you take Golden, but I don't think there's any solid wide receivers. I think almost similar to ah the 49ers is that, you know, Tucker k Craft's going to see the bulk of that load.
01:52:06
Speaker
ah That's just how I think it's going to roll out there. Anybody? Way too early. Yeah. just Way too early. It's a guy I believe in. I wanted to talk about him. I'm going to take him with a lot to take him to your guys. I'm shocked it's crap. but I'll say this. When I was looking at tight end in my last pick, if I went tight end, that's where would have went.
01:52:23
Speaker
But I was like, i don't no, not here, dude. It's early. we hit i got sniped. I think kind of a panicked. We hit my break at our last hitter and that was hit. TJ Hawkinson was the end of a tier. Yes. And you shouldn't see one for Ralph. The craft to Kincaid. You'll see them later. And strictly craft for talent, Kincaid for offense. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. really agree.
01:52:42
Speaker
And then I also like. I'm not even going to disagree. I thought about saying that just to have the conversation. through Yeah. right, we close out that fifth round mock with RJ Harvey, Chase Brown, Vlad McConkie, JJ McCarthy, Tee Higgins, Agbuka, TJ Hodginson, James Cook, Devontae Smith, Ilif Johnson, Elon Waddle, who definitely should go up there higher.
01:53:02
Speaker
um And then Tucker, crap, ended up. One thing you guys, if you've been paying attention, there was no Garrett Wilson and there was no Breeze Hall in your dynasty. Why are you guys off on them?
01:53:12
Speaker
The New York Jets offense stinks, and it will sting for a long time. well The franchise itself stinks. I don't want any part of it. yeah It's just nasty. and It's gross. I mean, they both finished top 12 last year, right?
01:53:25
Speaker
Brees is a guy I'm interested in. If I could buy Super Treat just in case he gets traded, um I think he can be a workhorse back. Garrett Wilson, you just need a massive upgrade in wide receiver um and quarterback just ah just to make him productive. The guy that owned the New York Jets offense is Braylon Allen.
01:53:43
Speaker
Yes. If you're going to own anyone. yeah If you're going to own anyone. I like Mason Taylor, there the tight end, but per years for years later. Yeah, he's got that top 60 guy. No. All right. So there you have it, folks. There's your top 60. My science, right?
01:53:55
Speaker
but i'm slow yeah Top 60 Dynasty player rankings. of We did this five round mock. Hope you guys enjoyed it. Do not be scared off of taking Kyle Pitts in your first round. But anyway, before we get over here, ah we'll go around a minute. a podcast this has been on. Like we said, we ran out a whole studio production for this. yeah very Some high quality stuff going on here, so hopefully it ah reflects with the listeners. But this was a blast. A couple wild things were said, but I expect nothing less being here with the boys and the All Four Mines podcast.
01:54:23
Speaker
um What a time. What a great pod. I hope you guys enjoy. it Dakota. Yeah, same thing. It was great to actually to get together and do a live pod. This is ah hopefully the first of many to come live pod and the collaboration with the All Formats podcast. Just a great time.
01:54:37
Speaker
Yeah, we got to get David up here. um I'll junior eye open. I'll let you close. um So, hey, thanks, guys, just for getting together with us. I love doing this live. hope your listeners are Z&G listeners. Hey.
01:54:48
Speaker
I hope you guys aren't scared off on their podcast just because I'm here. They'll be back to their normal hijinks and shenanigans later. um But I'm really grateful that you guys let me come in here with you. We're just hoping that we have some fun.
01:55:00
Speaker
And going forward, Cowpits, Titan 1. Junior, take us out. All right, let me finish it off here. um Thank guys for listening. and Definitely a long one for this podcast, but you knew it was going to be when you saw us four freaks in here.
01:55:11
Speaker
i doing it a fantasy football podcast. um But I want to say thank you. I don't know, Joe, if you listen to the end of our podcast, but we usually get a little mushy, a little bit lovey-dovey down there at the end of the pods. But I want to say thank you to you in general. You're the reason that we even do podcasts nowadays.
01:55:25
Speaker
the reason I got into doing podcasts. And so I just want to thank you for even giving us this opportunity and the idea that we can do podcasts together. You've given us a thing that we love to do and we're going to be able to do it weekly.
01:55:36
Speaker
um You gave me an opportunity to talk to and hang out my friends more. So I want to thank you for that. And, you know, as always, guys, ah be a friend, tell a friend something nice. um You always want to be a smiling face out there for people out the world.
01:55:47
Speaker
You never know what other people are going through. So, you know, show some love, show some respect and be a good friend. But as always, tune in the next one. Peace.