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Top 12 Dynasty Rankings
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Tune into the Pod where Lord Hinkie and the Ninja dive into their top 12 players in each position in the dynasty landscape.
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Introduction to Dynasty Rankings
00:00:01
Lord Hinkie
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of the ZNG Dynasty podcast. Man, it's going to be a good one be honest, it's going to be a lot better because there's only two of us.
00:00:16
Lord Hinkie
And if you could take a guess, well, let me let preface what we're doing today. We're going doing
Understanding Dynasty in Fantasy Football
00:00:20
Lord Hinkie
a Dynasty Rankings pod, which for those of you who don't know what Dynasty is, it is a year-long keep the same players year in, year out, only trade them if you want them.
00:00:32
Lord Hinkie
Basically a stock market for fantasy value of football players. Now,
Past Collaborations and Dynasty Drafts
00:00:39
Lord Hinkie
the only other guy on this podcast that knows what he's talking about when he's talking about dynasty value on players is, and you guessed it, Damian the Ninja Moore. Say hi the people.
00:00:51
Dakota Zeigler
Yo, what's going on, everybody? That's some high praise. Probably not warranted, but I'll definitely take it. And just so you guys know, this Dynasty as...
Approach to Dynasty Rankings
00:01:01
Dakota Zeigler
were talking a little bit before, maybe some hot takes here towards the end of our list.
00:01:06
Lord Hinkie
Mm-hmm.
00:01:06
Dakota Zeigler
There's a lot of guys in the same tiers. But before we get going, I just want to say, go listen to that last pod, the collab pod with Mr. All Formats himself. That was a great one to listen to. And this kind of piggybacks off that a little bit.
00:01:20
Dakota Zeigler
We did a five-round dynasty startup draft, and this is kind of going to follow what we think and what we wanted to do. So definitely go peep that before you watch this one.
00:01:31
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, definitely tune into that great podcast. Hopefully it sounds good for everybody else. And to be honest, I hope you have half as much fun listening to it as we did making it buddy, because that was a great time.
00:01:40
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:01:41
Lord Hinkie
then another little bit of background. Obviously, those players are, you know, you're gonna hear a lot of similar names that you did in the last podcast if you did listen. But
Quarterback Rankings: Top Choices and Preferences
00:01:50
Lord Hinkie
when we were talking before the podcast, at Dynasty rankings in our eyes for the future is kind of looking two to three years ahead.
00:01:57
Lord Hinkie
We're not talking about five, six, seven years down the line because no one knows what the league's going to look like back then or, ah ah you know, and then. But we're looking two, three years in advance, looking at young players with a future potential, you know, you know, talented players, but maybe they haven't gotten to show it yet.
00:02:15
Lord Hinkie
That kind of situation. And and in turn, those older proven guys that are maybe on the last couple of years of, you know, their shelf life, they might be a little bit lower in these rankings than you would assume.
00:02:27
Lord Hinkie
players like the Derrick Henry's of the world and the Aaron Rodgers of the world. Very old for the position that they play, but they're still very good at what they do. But I think with that being said, if you don't have anything, Damian, I think we just we head right into this, buddy. Anything else to throw in?
00:02:42
Dakota Zeigler
Nah, let's get rolling.
00:02:44
Lord Hinkie
All right. So I think we'll start with quarterbacks. So just for everybody knows, we're doing a top 12 ranking at every position, quarterbacks, wide receiver, running back and tight end. a top 12 basically means a QB1, an RB1.
00:02:59
Lord Hinkie
So when you hear us say those kind of phrases, we're talking about a top 12 player in that position group. Quarterbacks obviously are more volatile because there's only 32 starters in the league.
00:03:10
Lord Hinkie
And you maybe only 15 to 20 of them are even good. So when we're talking top 12 dynasty quarterbacks, it's the high-end upper echelon. very talented players that are established in the league.
00:03:24
Lord Hinkie
And maybe towards the end, couple of dart throws on some potential. But, you know, we'll see you once we get into this list. But Ninja, I'll start us off. I think we'll just do the top four. I'll give you my top five because I think it's going to be pretty consensus depending on who you have where.
00:03:38
Lord Hinkie
But for me, i have Josh Allen, one. Jaden Daniels, two. Joe Burrow, three. Lamar Jackson, four. And Jalen Hurts, five.
00:03:49
Lord Hinkie
I think it's all, and I'm not saying they're all in the same tier, but they're all right in that same group. I think you can kind of mix and match where you want to. Give me your thoughts on that top five and who do you have as your top five QBs?
00:04:02
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah,
Quarterback Rankings: The Next Tier
00:04:02
Dakota Zeigler
every name you said is in my top five. Just a little bit different order. So we view these guys pretty similarly. My number one is Joe Burrow.
00:04:11
Dakota Zeigler
Two is Josh Allen. Three is Lamar Jackson. Four is Jalen Hurts. And then five is Jaden Daniels. And those for me are the clear top five, and there's no arguments.
00:04:24
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, I've got no qualms for the order that you have them in. I think at this point, it's just personal preference. you They're all the same upper echelon stud quarterbacks in this league. And you you like one over the other because of whatever reason, I'm not going fight you on it.
00:04:38
Lord Hinkie
would say the biggest difference we have in there is I have Jaden Daniels at two. You have Jaden Daniels at five. Like we said, same tier. I just view Jaden Daniels as a young player.
00:04:49
Lord Hinkie
rushing quarterback with a team that's building a lot of weapons around him. So I'm excited for his future. And I have him at two mostly because I'm expecting that longevity from him. You know, I think he's going to be able to
Conclusion of Quarterback Rankings
00:04:58
Lord Hinkie
play in the league for like a long, long time. So that's probably, that's the main reason I have him up there too.
00:05:05
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, the reason he's a little bit down for me, I still don't like that O-line. I don't think it's very good.
00:05:11
Dakota Zeigler
And like the receivers, we're talking McLaurin's older, Debo's older, Zachert's older. I'm not sure if there's really proven guys. We talked about a lot of guys that we like that are very young in that offense, but will they actually be something?
00:05:26
Dakota Zeigler
We don't know yet. That's why he's just a little bit lower than the rest of the guys for me.
00:05:30
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, fair. And to be honest, I love you having Joe Barrow there. One, I think that guy, him and Jamar Chase being paired together for years and years to come, they're going to be incredible.
00:05:36
Dakota Zeigler
Stud. Yeah.
00:05:39
Lord Hinkie
reason for them not to be good. I say we move on to our next. How about you give me the next four? Because I think that's also a tier for me. I will see what yours looks like. My six through nine.
00:05:49
Lord Hinkie
dynasty QB rankings. Six, I have Drake May. Seven, I have Caleb Williams. Eight, I have Bo Nix. Nine, I have CJ Stroud.
00:06:01
Lord Hinkie
I know i saw the look he gave me when I had Bo Nix up there, but I think he just proved it to me last year that he should be in the conversation fantasy-wise. I think he played well at quarterback, but his rushing ability and his upside there, playing for Sean Payton up in Denver,
00:06:17
Lord Hinkie
I think he's earned the right to be in this conversation. I'm assuming you probably don't have him here on your list, but go ahead and give me your six through nine in QB Dynasty rankings.
00:06:26
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, so Bo Nix didn't make it that high for me. Number six is Kaleeb Williams. Seven is Drake May. Eight is CJ Stroud. And nine is Baker Mayfield.
00:06:38
Lord Hinkie
I love you having Baker up in there.
Top Running Back Rankings
00:06:40
Lord Hinkie
and So yeah, very similar list, I would say. We're both expecting that big year two jump from Drake May and Caleb Williams, and also ah ah maybe a comeback year for CJ Stroud going into his junior year in the NFL.
00:06:53
Lord Hinkie
I love you having Baker up there. I don't have Baker on my list, mostly because of age, and I like a couple other QBs a little bit better, but I do love Baker this year. I think he has like a two-, three-year contract down there in Tampa Bay. I think that's a good addition there.
00:07:07
Dakota Zeigler
Yep. And that's as far as we're really looking out. It's hard to predict like five years down the road, but in three years, I still expect Baker to be a top end producing quarterback for you.
00:07:10
Lord Hinkie
Mm-hmm.
00:07:15
Dakota Zeigler
So that's why he made the top nine in that explosive offense.
00:07:19
Lord Hinkie
All right. And then there's the finish off our top 12 QBs. 10, have Justin Herbert. 11, I have Jordan Love. And 12, actually have J.J. McCarthy sneaking into my top 12 QB rankings. So give me your last three and then let's talk about
00:07:36
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, we're definitely going have to talk. Number 10 is Bryce Young.
00:07:40
Lord Hinkie
Mm-hmm.
00:07:41
Dakota Zeigler
Number 11 is Bo Nix. Number 12 is Jalen Milrow.
00:07:47
Dakota Zeigler
I saw the look and i I'm expecting something to come back and it might be a little heated.
00:07:53
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, I mean, that is absurd to me. I think it is crazy. I mean, me and Zig have been avid Jalen Milrow fans. To be honest, I'm kind of shocked you have him that high because you weren't the biggest fan of him when we were doing our breakdowns and all that. Obviously, we like his upside, and you're expecting a lot of upside here from Jalen Milrow. But I guess on the contrary, the other guy on that list, Bryce Young, being thrown in there, believe at 10,
00:08:22
Lord Hinkie
Definitely expecting a big, big jump from Bryce Young this year and kind of getting ahead of it almost.
00:08:30
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, I've been a Bryce Young guy for a while now, and this is kind of just putting the stamp on it. And I think some surprising names, if you listen to my list compared to yours, the last three, i don't have Justin Herbert on my list, mainly because it's John Harbaugh.
00:08:45
Dakota Zeigler
That's really it.
00:08:46
Lord Hinkie
That's fair.
00:08:47
Dakota Zeigler
It's just the system. If
Expanding Running Back Rankings
00:08:47
Dakota Zeigler
he was in a pretty much any other system, he might crack my top seven. But it's John Harbaugh. then... ah Jordan Love, I'm out completely. i don't know why.
00:08:59
Dakota Zeigler
i don't necessarily have a good reason. I just don't like him.
00:09:04
Lord Hinkie
That's fair. I mean, there's guys you like, guys you don't like. me, I don't love Justin Herbert. I like the player. I don't love the situation. I just feel like he's so talented. It's hard for me to keep him out of my top 12. I was almost finding of reasons to bring him down, and I couldn't really find any.
00:09:19
Lord Hinkie
Jordan Love is a guy I'm still in on. I believe what they're doing up there in Green Bay. They're building an offense around him. you Whether or not they're giving him the right weapons, they're trying at least. And, you know, he's a guy who can spread the ball around to a bunch of different weapons.
00:09:33
Lord Hinkie
They have a really good running game there with Josh Jacobs and a pretty decent old line. And, you know, he's still young. I believe he's still only like 27 years old, got the big massive contract there. So he's going to be the starter there for years to come.
00:09:45
Lord Hinkie
And, you know, I don't mind Matt LaFleur as the head coach. I think the future is still bright there in Green Bay. Speaking of bright futures, I also like JJ McCarthy. He snuck in there in my top 12. That's,
00:09:54
Dakota Zeigler
He just missed out for me.
00:09:56
Lord Hinkie
To be honest, i I wanted to throw him in there because I wanted to talk about him.
00:10:01
Lord Hinkie
I didn't love the player coming out. He's a Michigan kid, and he has an incredibly punchable face.
00:10:08
Dakota Zeigler
Incredibly.
00:10:08
Lord Hinkie
That is known. Incredibly punchable face. But Kevin O'Connell is an incredible head coach. He has Justin Jefferson paired with him for years to come.
00:10:20
Lord Hinkie
I like Jordan Addison as well for the future. TJ Hawkinson. It's a great offense. He has all of the powers there to be able to produce. And I think he's going to for fantasy. And with that being said, he also has a little bit of rushing upside.
00:10:35
Lord Hinkie
We didn't really get to see it too much at Michigan.
00:10:35
Dakota Zeigler
yeah
00:10:37
Lord Hinkie
He's a very athletic kid. He's a five-star recruit coming out of high school. Very athletic. I don't know if Kevin O'Connell will utilize that well. I mean, he kind of did one year when we had the Pastronaut there in Minnesota. He was kind of running the ball over the place.
00:10:51
Lord Hinkie
So I'm excited for the future, and I'm very excited to see J.J. McCarthy. Basically, he's a rookie, basically. Coming into the league, week one is going to be his first start.
00:11:01
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, it was super tough for me not to have J.J. McCarthy on this list. I just felt it was a disservice to Bo Nix. As much as I'm not like a Bo guy, he deserves to be in the top 12. But if anyone was to pop out, it would have been Bo Nix for JJ McCarthy.
00:11:16
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:11:16
Dakota Zeigler
That was like the last minute change I did. And it's just, I can't have Bo not on my top 12. Yeah.
00:11:22
Lord Hinkie
Got He's earned the right to be in there in top 12.
00:11:24
Dakota Zeigler
yeah
00:11:24
Lord Hinkie
Uh, and then I guess the last name we can talk about before moving on is neither one of us have Patrick Holmes in our top 12. And I think this just doubles and triples and quadruples down
Top Wide Receiver Rankings
00:11:36
Lord Hinkie
on us talking about how we feel like that offense is just on its last legs. I think the Kansas city team in general is, you know, stock down, if you will, a lot of red, red lights going off in Kansas city.
00:11:50
Lord Hinkie
I guess you would say it's surprising compared to consensus, but if you listen to this podcast, I'm not shocked at all. We don't have homes in the top 12.
00:11:57
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, for me, it's the weapons in the O-line. The O-line isn't what it used to be. They traded Tooney, their all-star guard, to the Bears.
00:12:07
Dakota Zeigler
They lost their left tackle or didn't have a left tackle, and they brought some guy in free agency, and it was very questionable. I think it's Aaron Banks. I'd have to do a little bit of digging.
00:12:18
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:12:18
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, guard at a – I believe he played for the Niners before that.
00:12:21
Dakota Zeigler
But he was fringe starter. Not even a good one, but like a fringe starter. So I'm not a fan of that. And their weapons are just improving yet. We like Worthy. We like his speed. But you're going to have to scheme some things up for him.
00:12:34
Dakota Zeigler
You and me are both Jalen Royal guys. But how is that going to play out? And then Travis Kelsey. This is probably his final season in the league. And then after that, what do they got?
00:12:46
Dakota Zeigler
they kind of hit the nail where this is pretty much it for the weapons there. And like like Rishi Rice too, but a lot of off-the-field problems going on. He's going to be suspended, I think, the first six games of the season.
00:12:59
Lord Hinkie
Correct.
00:13:00
Dakota Zeigler
And I also heard that he might have to serve mandatory jail time this year at some point. So it's just something that I'm not... vibing with, and like I said in ah the Not My Guy episode, My Guy episode, Patrick Mahomes is just, you've seen the slight regression each after he lost Tyreek Hill.
00:13:20
Dakota Zeigler
And they're not playing over the top anymore. He has to nickel and dime everything because everyone's playing too high on him, and he's just not as effective when he can't sling that ball around for 50 yards.
00:13:32
Dakota Zeigler
So it's just... It is what it is. He's still a great quarterback, just not in the top 12 for me.
00:13:37
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, I think I agree with you. It's not the bank on Patrick Mahomes because he still has to play hero ball there basically in in ah Kansas City.
00:13:43
Dakota Zeigler
Yep.
00:13:44
Lord Hinkie
But he just doesn't have the people around him to actually help him produce. I still think he's a great player. Nothing against Mahomes, the player. It's just the situation there in Kansas City is getting kind of nasty, little gross.
00:13:56
Dakota Zeigler
Yep.
Wide Receiver Rankings: Breakout Candidates
00:13:57
Lord Hinkie
I say we move on here to our running back top 12 dynasty rankings. I'm excited to get into this one. think we start off with doing our top three because I'm assuming they're going to be pretty consensus as well.
00:14:08
Lord Hinkie
I don't know. He's giving me the eyeballs. Damien always likes to throw a hot take in there. See, hold on. I'm going to go off a little segment here. Obviously, we do a hot takes pod for Damien to get out all of his, you know, deep, darkest thoughts about fantasy football.
00:14:24
Lord Hinkie
But this man lets them loose weekly. So if you tune in and you listen every single week, this dude is just throwing out hot takes after hot takes on the daily.
00:14:35
Lord Hinkie
You don't have to tune into one specific podcast to get them all because, you know, they're coming every, every episode. with that being said, I say we go with the top three and I'll give you my top three, which i think is pretty chalk.
00:14:48
Lord Hinkie
I got B. Sean Robinson at one, Jameer Gibbs at two and Ashton Gentry at three. Hit me with yours.
00:14:55
Dakota Zeigler
I got Bijan Robinson at one, Ashton Gentry at two, Omarion Hampton at three.
00:15:01
Lord Hinkie
Ooh, man. Big on this rookie class coming up. To be honest, I don't hate it. I mean, if we want to go a little bit deeper in the mind, I have Amarion Hampton as four for me right behind Gente. Obviously, we both love the player coming out. Love the situation there.
00:15:15
Lord Hinkie
Najee Harris being banged up. I think he's going to get the reins week one. He's never going to look back. Bijon's a stud years to come.
00:15:20
Dakota Zeigler
Yep.
00:15:23
Lord Hinkie
Don't have to talk about it. Gentty, great player. I think a copy going to get off to a slow start there in Vegas, but longevity wise, he's going to be great there in Las Vegas. So I would just say the one question is, do you have Gibbs at four?
00:15:36
Dakota Zeigler
I do.
00:15:37
Lord Hinkie
Okay. So are you, yeah, it's a little bit lower than consensus.
00:15:39
Dakota Zeigler
So I'm not too far out there, but it's it's definitely a little bit of a hot take. Yeah.
00:15:44
Lord Hinkie
Is there now I'm going to ask you question is having Gibbs at four, a slight to the Jameer Gibbs a player or is it just you like the rookies more?
00:15:55
Dakota Zeigler
Can I answer? Yes. It is a slight to Jameer Gibbs, and I've said this on previous podcasts where I'm a little bit lower on Jameer Gibbs and consensus. I still love him.
00:16:06
Dakota Zeigler
It's just I'm lower than what consensus is, and I love Amarian Hampton.
00:16:10
Lord Hinkie
Fair.
00:16:10
Dakota Zeigler
And we've made it very known since the RB Breakdown pod that we are both very, very high on Amarian Hampton.
00:16:15
Lord Hinkie
Very big. I'm right. Hampton guys. I wouldn't be shocked if Hampton finishes the year with more fancy points than Gentry.
00:16:17
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:16:23
Dakota Zeigler
I wouldn't be surprised either.
00:16:24
Lord Hinkie
I don't think that's a crazy hot take either. like just think he's in such a good situation there in L.A., and Gentry's probably going to get off to a rough start there in Las Vegas. So I
00:16:33
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
Top Tight End Rankings
00:16:33
Lord Hinkie
don't think that's too crazy.
00:16:35
Lord Hinkie
I think we move on. let give – how about we do four at a time? We'll give you our next four, five through eight. me, I have Saquon Barkley at five. Trayvon Henderson at six.
00:16:46
Lord Hinkie
I know you probably don't have that. Devon A-Chain at seven. And I have Chase Brown sneaking in there way up there at eight. I'm going to be way up. i I love my rankings, and it's because it's a lot of my guys, but I'm very, very happy with my numbers here.
00:17:02
Lord Hinkie
Saquon at five. Guy's a stud. The only reason that he's at five is because he's a little bit older. Henderson has showed me no reason not to have him up here. He's been a baller during the entire preseason and training camp.
00:17:13
Lord Hinkie
Guy looks like a stud. He's probably already won the job off of Stevenson, but we'll see. A-chan, boom or bust player. If he stays healthy, he's a top-end running back. And I'm a known Chase Brown guy.
00:17:25
Lord Hinkie
If you're going to give me the running back, starting running back for the Cincinnati Bengals and that high-powered offense, I want him. Simple as that.
00:17:32
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah. Fair. Two of the names you just said aren't in my top 12. Yeah.
00:17:37
Lord Hinkie
Wow. All right, hit me your next four.
00:17:40
Dakota Zeigler
So I'll get in with mine. I agree with you. Saquon Barkley is at five. I have James Cook at six.
00:17:47
Dakota Zeigler
Quinchaun Judkins at eight. Or Devon A. Chain is at seven. And then Quinchaun Judkins is at eight.
00:17:56
Lord Hinkie
I kept Junkins off my list because I was just too worried to throw him on there. But,
00:18:01
Dakota Zeigler
I ain't worried at all. He's so I saw news today. He's back with the team. I didn't hear anything about contract negotiations or whatever, but he's back with the team this week. I expect him to be probably almost a full go by week four.
00:18:15
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. I hope you're right. I do. Because I'm a big fan of Junkins, a player. I am a little scared off with the whole off-the-field issue, so I don't have him... up here in my top 12. But to be honest, I don't hate your list either.
00:18:29
Lord Hinkie
I love Henderson. I knew you'd not a Henderson guy, so I'm assuming he's the other guy you don't have in your top 12. But if he stays healthy, I think he's just going to be bomb. But ah I got no qualms with your next four.
00:18:40
Dakota Zeigler
No qualms. We got to turn that into a shirt. I really like that saying.
00:18:43
Lord Hinkie
I love qualms. right, so final four here for the top 12 dynasty running backs. I have James Cook at nine. little bit lower on him, but I still like Cook. snuck bur Bucky Irving in there at 10.
00:18:55
Lord Hinkie
Didn't love it, but didn't hate it. i feel like I almost needed to put him there. have Jonathan Taylor at 11 and Josh Jacobs at 12. Some older running backs, but they're just such high producers that it's it's hard not to have them up there.
00:19:08
Lord Hinkie
Obviously, the if they stay healthy question is with all of these running backs, but if they stay healthy, there's no reason they're not going to be top 12 back. So, you know, that rounds up my top 12.
00:19:18
Lord Hinkie
Any qualms?
00:19:20
Dakota Zeigler
No qualms because you nailed two of them.
00:19:23
Lord Hinkie
right, hit me I love you having RJ Harvey on there.
00:19:25
Dakota Zeigler
At number nine is Christian McCaffrey. Number 10 is RJ Harvey. 11 is Jonathan Taylor. And 12 is Josh Jacobs.
00:19:37
Lord Hinkie
He's probably like 13 or 14 for me. He's just snuck right off the list. Same thing with CMC.
00:19:41
Dakota Zeigler
So... So, like, i want to say um the listeners out there, please comment on on our Spotify, wherever, or Instagram, whatever. Is it completely out of line with this J.K. Dobbins nonsense? Because I think he is.
00:19:56
Dakota Zeigler
Every time I bring up R.J. Harvey, he brings up J.K. Dobbins, and they shouldn't be in the same sentence. Ever.
00:20:02
Lord Hinkie
I agree with you. I don't think they should be in the same sentence because Harvey's just so much better of a player than J.K. Dobbins is. I just know Sean Payton is going to find a reason to have J.K. Dobbins on the field.
00:20:15
Dakota Zeigler
Give it to week four.
00:20:17
Lord Hinkie
I hope so.
00:20:17
Dakota Zeigler
That's it. J.K. Dobbins is going to get a little bit of run early, but he's going to see the room by week four. He found his Camara. Why do you think he spent a second round pick on him?
00:20:27
Dakota Zeigler
He found it.
00:20:29
Lord Hinkie
Exactly. Exactly.
00:20:30
Dakota Zeigler
you you don't draft to running back
00:20:30
Lord Hinkie
I completely agree with you.
00:20:32
Dakota Zeigler
You don't draft
Completing Tight End Rankings
00:20:32
Dakota Zeigler
to running back this high to not foresee him as your bell cow going forward.
00:20:37
Lord Hinkie
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:20:38
Dakota Zeigler
Even if it's part of a committee, which we expect, but he's going to be your guy.
00:20:43
Lord Hinkie
Especially the high-end PPR situations.
00:20:43
Dakota Zeigler
And, yes.
00:20:45
Lord Hinkie
He should get all of that.
00:20:47
Dakota Zeigler
Yes, he doesn't. RJ Harvey does not get enough love as a pass catcher.
00:20:50
Lord Hinkie
Mm-mm. Smooth pass catcher.
00:20:53
Dakota Zeigler
Which he is. And that's why like when Zig is saying J.K. Dobbins is going to get a lot of work, R.J. Harvey isn't just like a third down guy either.
00:21:00
Lord Hinkie
Mm-mm.
00:21:00
Dakota Zeigler
I understand. like I just said he has great hands and he's not... He gets discredited for his catching ability, but he's still like a first, second down type of guy.
00:21:09
Lord Hinkie
Oh, yeah.
00:21:09
Dakota Zeigler
J.K. Dobbins will end up being the change of pace. That's all it's going to be. He'll go in for a snap or two and then he'll be right back to R.J. Harvey. And I can't wait.
00:21:19
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, I mean, I hope you're right. I'm, you know, known R.J. Harvey lover. I'm a little worried about the slow start, but he's just the better player will prevail there in Denver.
00:21:29
Lord Hinkie
obviously a big notable name, not on our list that we kind of talked about earlier, but Derek Henry, obviously great player. He'll probably finish top five running back this season there for Baltimore Ravens, but same thing. It's the age. He's just a little bit old.
00:21:45
Lord Hinkie
Um, think he's like 31 now. Uh, it probably a year, maybe two left out of, uh, out of Derek Henry there. So definitely to make my top 12.
00:21:55
Dakota Zeigler
No, no. I think he has one more year after this. And for Dynasty, like, if you're in competing now, he's a great asset to have.
00:22:02
Lord Hinkie
ah yeah.
00:22:03
Dakota Zeigler
But for dying like for three years down the road, no. He'll probably be retired.
00:22:08
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. me, CMC was just too injury prone for me having my 12. going to have to see it again. Hopefully he can just stay. When he's healthy, he's incredible.
00:22:18
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:22:18
Lord Hinkie
He'll run that entire offense there in San Francisco.
00:22:20
Lord Hinkie
It's just the injury history and the age kind of kept him out of my top 12. other than that, no qualms.
00:22:28
Dakota Zeigler
No qualms. I am a bit surprised about a CMC for you. i know he was injured last year and he had a big injury before that, but that think that was two years ago now, maybe three, something like that.
00:22:32
Lord Hinkie
Mm-hmm.
00:22:38
Lord Hinkie
Mm-hmm.
00:22:40
Dakota Zeigler
When he's healthy, which he's ah RB1, and as much as like don't like injury history in running backs, that's why I'm not as high on Travion Henderson like a and Zigg are.
00:22:49
Lord Hinkie
Mm-hmm.
00:22:50
Dakota Zeigler
I still respect it. Like, cause CMC has shown that he is legitimately an RB one and can have that upside every year when he's healthy. And i understand the injury. I'm just as concerned, but I think CMC is almost a value now in dynasty too.
00:23:06
Dakota Zeigler
Like people are trying to trade him and I'll, I'll happily scoop them up for a year or two or three.
00:23:08
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, I mean, the upside definitely there.
00:23:12
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, I think it is definitely different with the CMC versus the Henderson conversation is because CMC showed you that the only thing stopping him is injury. And Henderson just has to show you that he is, you know, talented enough to warrant the injury risk.
00:23:28
Lord Hinkie
But yeah, I mean, I guess you could swap out Bucky Irvin there for CMC and I wouldn't, you know, bat two eyes for it. But.
00:23:35
Dakota Zeigler
I wouldn't do that, though.
00:23:37
Lord Hinkie
Anyways, let's move on to our top 12. We're going to our wide receivers now. Top 12 dynasty
Episode Wrap-Up and Reflections
00:23:43
Lord Hinkie
rankings. And I think we're going to do, do you just want to do Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson?
00:23:48
Lord Hinkie
Top two. No qualms.
00:23:50
Dakota Zeigler
I want to let you know how difficult it was for me to not move Nico Collins farther and farther and farther up my board.
00:23:52
Lord Hinkie
Oh, buddy.
00:23:59
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. I can imagine, buddy.
00:24:00
Dakota Zeigler
I wanted to have him at one, but I decided to be an actual, you know, adult about this.
00:24:05
Lord Hinkie
Take it a little seriously. Yeah.
00:24:06
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, I'll give the listener something to actually follow. ah But I almost I was so close to having Nico Collins at one just because I wanted it
00:24:13
Lord Hinkie
I know, I was excited to see you go from Nico Collins, Jamar Chase.
00:24:16
Dakota Zeigler
yeah
00:24:16
Lord Hinkie
I wanted to hear it so bad. But, so,
00:24:19
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, but it's Jamar and JJ at 1-2.
00:24:23
Lord Hinkie
yeah. To be honest, I think it should be in that order. ah Years past, you could have probably flip-flopped them, but I think right now you have to give the nod to Jamar Chase.
00:24:31
Dakota Zeigler
Yes. Yeah, the more experienced quarterback. We don't know what JJ is yet. or By JJ, I mean JJ McCarthy. Yeah.
00:24:38
Lord Hinkie
Mm-hmm.
00:24:39
Dakota Zeigler
So that that worries me a bit. I mean, JJ's J-Jettas is going to eat. I got to stop saying JJ. The Jets is going to eat no matter who the quarterback is. um And that's why he's still number two.
00:24:52
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:24:53
Dakota Zeigler
But yes, you have to give the nod to Jamar for now because he's got Burrow.
00:24:57
Lord Hinkie
It's just so much safer. There's no questions with Jamar Chase.
00:24:59
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:25:01
Lord Hinkie
um um My next three, top five for Dynasty, I have Malik Neighbors at three, Amon Ross St. Brown at four, and then I have Nico Collins at five.
00:25:13
Dakota Zeigler
hey
00:25:13
Lord Hinkie
I'm assuming you got Nico little bit higher.
00:25:16
Dakota Zeigler
Actually, I don't.
00:25:17
Lord Hinkie
Oh, what are yours?
00:25:19
Dakota Zeigler
So peep the last pod. I literally gave you my order of my top six. Malik neighbors is at three. Marvin Harrison Jr. is four and Nico Collins is five.
00:25:30
Dakota Zeigler
And it's only in age thing. That's literally it. If Nico 24 instead 27, maybe 26. don't know. i think he's twenty seven maybe twenty six i don't know
00:25:41
Lord Hinkie
I'm going to Google.
00:25:42
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, I don't want to disrespect my boy, but it's it's literally just an age thing.
00:25:46
Lord Hinkie
yeah to wait
00:25:47
Dakota Zeigler
That's the only... How old is he? 26, yeah. And with Neighbors, I think he's 21, 22. Marv is 21 or 22. That's the only reason Nico Collins isn't higher.
00:26:00
Lord Hinkie
That's fair. I think that's understandable. To be honest, I'm shocked you don't have him at three. I thought he definitely going at three.
00:26:05
Dakota Zeigler
God, I wanted to put him at one.
00:26:07
Dakota Zeigler
I was fighting demons trying not to put him at one.
00:26:07
Lord Hinkie
Almost...
00:26:09
Lord Hinkie
ta I'm almost going to argue for you. i would say age, when I'm talking about wide receivers, is not the biggest contributing factor to their dynasty ranking.
00:26:17
Dakota Zeigler
No.
00:26:19
Lord Hinkie
Obviously, we want younger players. But if you're talking about 22 versus 26, I don't know if I would change that very much. Like, I wouldn't consider Nico Collins a older wide receiver. Because I still have four or five years left.
00:26:29
Dakota Zeigler
No. Oh, I agree with you completely. But it's like when we did our wide receiver breakdowns last year, we knew that Malik and Marv were very good.
00:26:37
Lord Hinkie
Mm-hmm.
00:26:41
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:26:41
Dakota Zeigler
Like two of the best we've seen since Jamar.
00:26:43
Lord Hinkie
yeah
00:26:44
Dakota Zeigler
So I'm not discrediting my film work from before. And Neighbors proved it. I still love Marv. I don't think he got the enough love like for what he did with the targets he was given.
00:26:56
Dakota Zeigler
So it's slim margins. I could ultimately flip three through five and have no qualms. I could rotate it any day of the week, and I'd be happy no matter which way. But I'm so happy Nico Collins made your top five, as he should.
00:27:10
Lord Hinkie
Oh, ah yeah. He was definitely going to make the top five. To be honest, it was almost tough. I was sitting there looking at him and Amon Ra, and I was like, man, who would I rather have? And i I think it's only because Sun God is at my guy that I threw him over there, but they're coin flip for me.
00:27:18
Dakota Zeigler
You it.
00:27:22
Dakota Zeigler
yeah
00:27:25
Lord Hinkie
So I would say let's give our next four here, so six through nine. I have Marvin Harrison at six. I believe you had him at five or four. Love Marv. I love the player still. I think he has to turn around there in Arizona.
00:27:37
Lord Hinkie
I have C.D. Lamb at seven, Brian Thomas Jr. at eight, and Drake London at nine. And I know the look he gave me when I had C.D. Lamb at seven. i I wanted to, but I'm lower. I just i couldn't find a reason to.
00:27:51
Dakota Zeigler
I found reasons.
00:27:53
Lord Hinkie
I found plenty of reasons. um reasons. um He's just, I think he'll be too much of a high volume. and he's still a talented player. Like, i love C.D. Lamb the player. It's just, I don't love the situation there in Dallas and,
00:28:03
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:28:07
Lord Hinkie
I don't know.
00:28:07
Dakota Zeigler
I love him too. He made my top 12, but wasn't sniffing seven.
00:28:11
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. All right. Hit me with yours.
00:28:14
Dakota Zeigler
This is where it starts to get a little spicy. You said the ninja is good for some spicy.
00:28:16
Lord Hinkie
o buddy. Uh-huh.
00:28:19
Dakota Zeigler
All throughout in any episode. We're about to hit it. but but At number six is Amon Ross St. Brown. Number seven is Tett McMillan. Number eight is Brian Thomas Jr. And number nine is Puka Nakua.
00:28:35
Lord Hinkie
Man, Ted McMillan is so high.
00:28:38
Dakota Zeigler
I know.
00:28:39
Dakota Zeigler
I love him.
00:28:39
Lord Hinkie
That's crazy.
00:28:41
Dakota Zeigler
I him.
00:28:41
Lord Hinkie
You do love him.
00:28:42
Lord Hinkie
And I think your love for him is the reason you hate my Travis Hunter take.
00:28:46
Dakota Zeigler
No, no. I just think you over... I like... So, everyone forgets. I like Travis Hunter. I just think he's overvalued.
00:28:53
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:28:54
Dakota Zeigler
That's it. And, like, in in our scouting breakdowns and stuff, like... He ended up as my wide receiver six, but that's because i had my top two. It was Tet and then Ibuka and then three in a cluster. And it didn't really matter which way you flipped it.
00:29:09
Dakota Zeigler
They're just all ahead of Travis Hunter, in my opinion. And I know some of them are hot takes. It was Luther Burden, Jaden Higgins, and Alik Ayoub Manor.
00:29:19
Dakota Zeigler
And then it was Travis Hunter. And like I still like Travis Hunter. Like, don't hear what I'm not saying. I like Travis Hunter. I don't love him like you guys do.
00:29:28
Dakota Zeigler
I like him, though.
00:29:28
Lord Hinkie
Oh, I love them.
00:29:30
Lord Hinkie
I love them. But to be honest, I got no qualms with the rest of your list. I have all the same names there, the same tiers.
00:29:36
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:29:37
Lord Hinkie
Let's just finish off our top 12. For me, i have Puka Nakua at 10. not So a little bit lower than you do. have JSN there at 11 for me, Jackson Smith and Jigba.
00:29:48
Lord Hinkie
And I threw Travis Hunter in there at 12. I did. I could have thrown six players there at 12 and just like gotten a chance to talk about them. But I love Travis Hunter, the player.
00:30:01
Lord Hinkie
I think he's going to be a wide receiver first. And to be honest, I think he's going to vulture a lot of work from Brian Thomas Jr. to where he might even be lower in this list next time we come around.
00:30:11
Lord Hinkie
next year. So I love Travis Hunter. I love Jason as well. I think he's going to turn around there in Seattle. He's like pretty much the whole offense there in Seattle and Puka has to be there at 10.
00:30:23
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, so my only thing, you can have Travis Hunter, it's your list. I'm not going to fight you. um But how is Brian Thomas Jr. and Travis Hunter making your list at top 12s?
00:30:35
Dakota Zeigler
Like that's the only fault I would have. You can have one, but I wouldn't say you can have both. You know what I mean? Because if one's going to vulture, then the other's not going to be at a top 12 guy.
00:30:44
Lord Hinkie
To be honest, you're right because i I looked at this list and I went, man, I have two Jaguars in my top 12 wide receivers.
00:30:49
Dakota Zeigler
be Gross. Do you like T-Law?
00:30:51
Lord Hinkie
And I'm like, am I a Trevor Lawrence guy?
00:30:52
Dakota Zeigler
Are you
00:30:56
Lord Hinkie
Like, what is happening? But I think it's just me putting talent there. Like I said, i could have picked six other players to put at 12. Like, if you say you have Travis Hunter at 15, like, I'm not going to argue. ah
00:31:09
Dakota Zeigler
kidding.
00:31:10
Lord Hinkie
Jesus, that's crazy.
00:31:10
Dakota Zeigler
I'm kidding. I'm kidding. i'm kidding
00:31:11
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, like I like I have like there's a lot of players I could have mixed match there at 12 to having two Jags up there is gross. I think I would love to bring Brian Thomas Jr. down lower. I just didn't feel I had the right to.
00:31:27
Lord Hinkie
Like I said, I think later on and maybe during the season or or you this time next year, we'll be talking a little bit lower about ah Brian Thomas.
00:31:35
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah. I'll get to mine, my 10 through 12. And all of these guys, they could easily not be on my list. Like my 10 through probably my 18, the 10 through 18 wide receivers here are interchangeable for me.
00:31:52
Dakota Zeigler
It really doesn't matter the order. It doesn't matter where you stack them up. we went with the top 12 today and I wanted to talk about some guys. So here we go. CeeDee Lamb sadly made it at 10.
00:32:03
Dakota Zeigler
I couldn't push him any farther.
00:32:04
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, he just can't be outside the top 12.
00:32:06
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, it's a massive disrespect if he's not in the top 12, but he still is a top 12 guy, as much as I didn't want him to be. here At 11 is Ladd McConkie.
00:32:18
Dakota Zeigler
And number 12 is Jaden Higgins.
00:32:20
Lord Hinkie
Oh my god. i knew it was coming.
00:32:22
Lord Hinkie
We talked about it for the pod, but man.
00:32:25
Dakota Zeigler
So I'll defend myself real quick before you before you go. I'll let ahll let you time to stew in that madness. 11, we kind of talked about it on our last pod with Joe Thomas.
00:32:36
Dakota Zeigler
I think the hate on Lan McConkie is real. And like we agree we did our redraft, he he's going round one to underdog way too high.
00:32:44
Lord Hinkie
Way too high.
00:32:45
Dakota Zeigler
Way too high. But for Dynasty, he's still going to produce somewhere around the wide receiver 12, the wide receiver 16 every year. And as a Dynasty guy, that's what we want.
00:32:56
Dakota Zeigler
we know it's not a pass-first offense, they're going to try and run the ball. He's still going to be up there with the best of them. I couldn't put him outside of my top 12. like with other names, I said it was close and like interchangeable.
00:33:10
Dakota Zeigler
He's the guy that he wouldn't, he's the one guy who could miss in my top 12 and Jane Higgins. You had your Travis Hunter. I had my Jane Higgins just want to talk about him.
00:33:21
Lord Hinkie
Just had to throw him in there.
00:33:21
Dakota Zeigler
And, uh, and I'm kind of on the same boat where I have two guys on the same team, but I definitely like CJ Stroud a lot more than I like yeah Trevor Lawrence.
00:33:31
Lord Hinkie
That's fair. That's fair.
00:33:32
Dakota Zeigler
but But listen back to the wide receiver breakdown pod. Like this guy, maybe not year one, but we're talking maybe year two, year three. Like that Nico type blow up, this guy has all the tools. We talked about him in the last pod with Joe where we love Nico Collins because he wins with physicality. He's not a speed guy. He he has speed, but he wins with physicality at the top of the routes.
00:33:55
Dakota Zeigler
And you don't see guys who are six four 230, mossing people, beating people down the field with speed, and then being able to separate at the top of routes with strength.
00:34:06
Dakota Zeigler
Jaden Higgins reminded me so much of Nico Collins coming out, and that's, I can't escape my love.
00:34:13
Lord Hinkie
It's understandable. understandable. Um, I, I'm going to give you the same argument that you gave me. Is two Nico Collins is on the same team going to be able to produce at all.
00:34:25
Dakota Zeigler
God, I think so. God, I think so.
00:34:27
Lord Hinkie
Maybe it would be fun. It would be awesome to watch.
00:34:29
Dakota Zeigler
Like, it's almost like, I want to like, because I was thinking of this, because at first i thought it was crazy too.
00:34:34
Dakota Zeigler
I was like, is am I going to have Jaden Higgins in my top 12? But it's like, so Nico Collins isn't like a well-known, he's a well-known guy now, but I'm thinking like, back before we knew guys were going blow up, like, do you not think two Julio Jones are going to produce on the same team?
00:34:49
Dakota Zeigler
Like, i'm not saying Nico is Julio Jones, but
00:34:51
Lord Hinkie
You kind of are, though.
00:34:53
Dakota Zeigler
I mean, close.
00:34:56
Dakota Zeigler
Close. But by, like, size, stature.
00:34:56
Lord Hinkie
Oh, God, man.
00:34:57
Lord Hinkie
yeah we're gonna that We're getting outlandish here.
00:35:01
Dakota Zeigler
Like, I'm just saying those big body wide receivers. Can two of them win in an offense? I think the answer is yes. Because, like, for most teams, they have, like, a big guy, like a Niko, and then they have a speed guy.
00:35:12
Dakota Zeigler
But I think for the first time we're seeing two big guys, and I think it's going to work out. Two bigger guys with physicality and speed, i think they're going to be able to win. i I'm not going to bet against it.
00:35:24
Lord Hinkie
Man, to be honest, I would love to see it. I don't want to sound like I'm not a Jaden Higgins guy because yeah were both on him coming out of the draft. I do think he's talented. I think he's going to get some opportunity there in Texas. i think he has to earn it first.
00:35:36
Lord Hinkie
I'm excited to see what he can do there. But like you said, I think there was probably five, six, seven names we could have interchanged there in our top 12.
00:35:43
Dakota Zeigler
No.
00:35:43
Lord Hinkie
just to throw a couple of them out there, obviously, Ladd McConkie just missed my list. But guys like A.J. Brown, probably age, just bringing them down there a little bit too old. I probably can throw Ted McMillan in my top 12. I just like Travis Hunter little bit more, but he's right there in that same tier.
00:36:00
Lord Hinkie
But then I'm going to throw out some names to you and want you to you know, give me your quick thoughts on them, but Garrett Wilson.
00:36:05
Dakota Zeigler
no I'm out. And I said this, I was out on the entire Jets offense, and I'm also with you, and I know what you think. We don't like Garrett Wilson here.
00:36:16
Lord Hinkie
No, we're not Garrett Wilson people.
00:36:17
Dakota Zeigler
I think he stinks.
00:36:19
Lord Hinkie
I, I'm not going to say he stinks. I think he's a little, he's very overrated and he always has been.
00:36:25
Dakota Zeigler
Yes.
00:36:26
Lord Hinkie
other names i want to throw out there. Just get your quick thoughts. T Higgins.
00:36:30
Dakota Zeigler
I understand.
00:36:31
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. Like good, but he's just outside the top 12.
00:36:34
Dakota Zeigler
I wish he would have went to a different team.
00:36:34
Lord Hinkie
Inside of the top 24.
00:36:36
Dakota Zeigler
I wish he would have went to a different team.
00:36:37
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. I mean, if him on anywhere else as the number one options, probably top 12 by receiver.
00:36:41
Dakota Zeigler
i I think if... So we talked about it in the offseason pod. If he went to the Patriots like I wanted them to, he makes my top 12.
00:36:48
Lord Hinkie
Oh yeah. I would 100% agree with that.
00:36:49
Dakota Zeigler
But she he can't... I'm not putting... He just doesn't make it.
00:36:52
Lord Hinkie
Can't put a wide receiver two on the list but besides Travis Hunter.
00:36:54
Dakota Zeigler
No.
00:36:56
Lord Hinkie
Rasheed Rice.
00:36:56
Dakota Zeigler
but No, only because I don't like Patrick Mahomes in that the field stuff is legitimate.
00:36:59
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:37:04
Dakota Zeigler
Like that's not good.
00:37:04
Lord Hinkie
Fair. Fair. A couple more names. Egmeca, Egbuka.
00:37:09
Dakota Zeigler
Love him.
00:37:09
Dakota Zeigler
I love him so much. And we kind of talked about in the last pod.
00:37:09
Lord Hinkie
Love them.
00:37:11
Lord Hinkie
Yep.
00:37:15
Dakota Zeigler
I don't have anything. But like he was 13.
00:37:17
Lord Hinkie
None my good things.
00:37:19
Dakota Zeigler
He was 13 for me. Like that's how like i was deciding between there's another rookie who you're definitely not going to bring up, but like all battling for the 12 spot for me.
00:37:20
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:37:28
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. That's fair.
00:37:28
Dakota Zeigler
And I just had to pick. So I picked my guy.
00:37:31
Lord Hinkie
You have to. I think, to be honest, that's all the names I could say let are going contribute or fight for that top 12 spot. But, yeah, a lot of good wide receivers in that tier from, like, 12 to, like, 20.
00:37:43
Lord Hinkie
A lot of really good wide receivers, especially dynasty-wise with some young kids coming up.
00:37:47
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, like I know we didn't, we know this wide receiver class wasn't, we knew it wasn't going to be ah like top end heavy like last year, but it's super deep. A guy who could have been interchangeable for 12 was Lee Gaia Manor.
00:38:00
Dakota Zeigler
Like I understand, like right now it's gross, that's why you make it, but like by the end of the year, I'm convinced he'll be pushing top 12. convinced. I'm convinced.
00:38:11
Lord Hinkie
I'm just hoping he can start there for Tennessee this week, if I'm being honest.
00:38:13
Dakota Zeigler
He will. He will.
00:38:15
Lord Hinkie
We'll see how it goes. Anyways, I say we go tight ends, top 12 dynasty rankings. Brock Bowers, number one. Do have to fight on this?
00:38:23
Dakota Zeigler
No fights here.
00:38:24
Lord Hinkie
You got Warren? No fights?
00:38:25
Dakota Zeigler
I got Warren at two.
00:38:25
Lord Hinkie
Okay.
00:38:26
Dakota Zeigler
No fights at Warren.
00:38:26
Lord Hinkie
I figured you'd have Warren at two. I have Warren at three, and then i have McBride at two.
00:38:30
Dakota Zeigler
I have McBride at three.
00:38:31
Lord Hinkie
McBride.
00:38:31
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:38:32
Lord Hinkie
Okay, so top three, all pretty much interchangeable. Brock Bowers has to be the one. I can see what you're saying with Tyler Warren.
00:38:36
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:38:38
Lord Hinkie
I love the player. just going to hope he produces there in Indianapolis, and then I'll ah happily throw him there in my top two.
00:38:45
Dakota Zeigler
Trust the talent, not the quarterback.
00:38:46
Lord Hinkie
Exactly. McBride, PPR King. I think he has to have some touchdown but progression.
00:38:51
Dakota Zeigler
Has to, right?
00:38:52
Lord Hinkie
literally has to. like fact that this guy can catch so many passes, but two touchdowns is absurd. doesn't make sense.
00:38:57
Dakota Zeigler
Insane.
00:38:58
Lord Hinkie
guess move on. We'll give you our next three. We're going like small little tiers. so I have Colston Loveland as my 10-4. I have Sam Laporta as my tight end five, and then I have George Kittle as my tight end six.
00:39:10
Dakota Zeigler
We have the same three guys, just a little different order.
00:39:12
Lord Hinkie
Okay.
00:39:13
Dakota Zeigler
I got George Kittle at four, Loveland five, Laporta six.
00:39:17
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, I got no qualms there. For me, it's just age. Age is why I threw Levin up there, and I love Chicago's offense.
00:39:21
Dakota Zeigler
So like, like we're talking dynasty and then we're talking like three years out. Kittle's still going be really good. Like that. That's why like, like, and I'll give, you know, him his flowers here, but they're all interchangeable for me.
00:39:28
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, yeah.
00:39:35
Dakota Zeigler
and And it doesn't matter, but I figured I'd give him his flowers because he's earned it.
00:39:39
Lord Hinkie
Oh, yeah, he's definitely earned it. I mean, he's probably going to produce as a tight end, top three tight end this season.
00:39:45
Dakota Zeigler
He'll be top three, yeah. yeah
00:39:46
Lord Hinkie
Pretty easy. Obviously, there's a little bit of injury history, and you feel like he's banged up like every other week. That's the only questions for me, but, I mean, the guy's a stud. I think he's 29, 30 maybe.
00:39:55
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:39:58
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:39:58
Lord Hinkie
Definitely got two, three years left.
00:39:59
Dakota Zeigler
He's got plenty in the tank.
00:40:00
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:40:00
Dakota Zeigler
Yep.
00:40:01
Lord Hinkie
Sam Laporta has to have a bounce back. You were there with with Detroit, and then, yep, and then,
00:40:04
Dakota Zeigler
Has to. Has to. I think last year was like...
00:40:09
Lord Hinkie
Hopefully an outlier.
00:40:11
Dakota Zeigler
That's what I think, and we kind of talked about it last pod. We were all so high on him going into last year, and then he kind of didn't do it. I think it was, I don't know what it was, but I think he's back.
00:40:24
Lord Hinkie
Expectations made me a little bit too high. It's fair.
00:40:25
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:30
Lord Hinkie
All right. So our next three, seven through nine, i have TJ Hawkinson as my tight end seven. I have Kyle Pitts as my tight end eight, and I have Tucker Craft as my tight end nine.
00:40:41
Lord Hinkie
be honest, I think that's pretty – go ahead.
00:40:44
Dakota Zeigler
ah ah We matched on two of them.
00:40:45
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, I mean, feel like like tight ends, yeah it kind of has to be pretty consensus.
00:40:46
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:40:50
Lord Hinkie
I would be shocked if we had very differentiating top tens at least.
00:40:55
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah. So at seven, I have TJ Hawkinson. Eight, I have Mark Andrews. And nine, I have Tucker Craft.
00:41:01
Lord Hinkie
Hmm. Yeah. Love TJ. If he can stay healthy, he's going to be probably the number two weapon there in Minnesota, right behind Jade Jettis.
00:41:09
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:41:10
Lord Hinkie
I like Kyle Pitts. Obviously, a little bit lower than Kyle Pitts. But Tucker Craft, great by ah offense, going to be the same as it always was. And with those interchangeable wide receivers there in Green Bay, the one steady, consistent player has been Tucker k Craft.
00:41:23
Lord Hinkie
And I think he's just going to keep on producing.
00:41:25
Dakota Zeigler
God, don't let Zig listen to this. Cut this.
00:41:28
Lord Hinkie
I know. Yeah, where's he got Tucker Craft at? He probably got him in the top five.
00:41:33
Dakota Zeigler
Top three, probably.
00:41:33
Lord Hinkie
him Yeah, his list is like Kittle, ah Tucker Craft, Loveland, Go Blue. Anyways, final three finishes off here. I have Dalton Kincaid at my 10 spot. I have Isaiah Lightley at my 11 spot.
00:41:50
Lord Hinkie
And I threw in a MyGuy there at 12 in Terrence Ferguson. Tenen for the LA Rams had to talk about him and I love
00:41:59
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah, you're not going to get hit from me at the back end of Titan Dynasty.
00:42:03
Dakota Zeigler
think it is rich for Terrence Ferguson, but
00:42:07
Dakota Zeigler
I can't find anything to argue about it.
00:42:09
Lord Hinkie
No qualms.
00:42:10
Dakota Zeigler
No qualms. So I'll off here. My 10th ranked is Bretton Strange. You guys guys know how much I love him if you listen to Passpods.
00:42:18
Lord Hinkie
Hmm.
00:42:19
Dakota Zeigler
Number 11, Joe Thomas, I hope you're listening. It's Kyle Pitts.
00:42:23
Lord Hinkie
Oh, baby, he made the
00:42:24
Dakota Zeigler
He snuck in
00:42:26
Lord Hinkie
He snuck in there, but he made it.
00:42:27
Dakota Zeigler
because barely by the skin of his teeth.
00:42:31
Lord Hinkie
Yep.
00:42:32
Dakota Zeigler
And maybe so I retain a listener. Who knows? Am I for the people? We don't know yet. And then number 12 is Jatavian Sanders.
00:42:39
Lord Hinkie
cheeky. thought I'd throw my guy in there.
00:42:42
Dakota Zeigler
Cheeky.
00:42:43
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, I think once we get in towards the end of this list for tight ends, it's just one big massive tier of, eh, maybe? Maybe?
00:42:49
Dakota Zeigler
and said
00:42:51
Dakota Zeigler
Are you are you good
00:42:51
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, and then, yeah, for me, Don Kincaid, I'm not going give up on him after two years.
00:42:58
Lord Hinkie
I still think he has a chance. Buffalo Bills offense is, like, Josh Allen is going to score a lot of points. Hopefully he throws it to Kincaid sometimes. Like, that'd be cool.
00:43:07
Dakota Zeigler
He just missed my top 12.
00:43:08
Dakota Zeigler
Like, I almost... So, right before this podcast, I was going, I was like, it's... Like, I tried to find a way to get Kyle Pitts off this list, and Don't Kincaid was the name, and I was like, I can't do it yet.
00:43:08
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, that's fair.
00:43:19
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:43:20
Dakota Zeigler
I wanted to so badly, i couldn't i couldn't do it.
00:43:23
Lord Hinkie
and I was trying to find reasons to put Kyle Pitts higher on my list, but I had to take it a little bit seriously, guys. me, Isaiah Lakeleaf stuck in my top 12. I think he's just shown a lot there in Baltimore, too.
00:43:36
Lord Hinkie
The future will be bright there after Mark Andrews, and obviously I don't have Mark Andrews on my list. It's just strictly an age thing.
00:43:42
Dakota Zeigler
Like, for me, I still expect Mark Andrews to be in the league, like, another three years.
00:43:48
Lord Hinkie
Whoa. I think that's how
00:43:50
Dakota Zeigler
Like, two, three years? How old is he? Like, 31?
00:43:52
Lord Hinkie
He's up there, buddy. Yeah, I'll give that a good quick.
00:43:55
Dakota Zeigler
But, like, when he's starting and Isaiah likely is there, too, Isaiah likely doesn't get work if if Mark Andrews is healthy.
00:44:02
Lord Hinkie
Huh?
00:44:06
Dakota Zeigler
Like, that's my thing.
00:44:06
Lord Hinkie
He's only 29. Man, I should probably have him on this list.
00:44:08
Dakota Zeigler
Oh god, yeah, he needs to be on your list.
00:44:11
Lord Hinkie
he he He looks like he's 36, though.
00:44:11
Dakota Zeigler
Move down Kyle Pitts. Move down Kyle Pitts.
00:44:15
Lord Hinkie
Like, I've...
00:44:15
Dakota Zeigler
Mark Andrus needs to be ahead of him.
00:44:17
Lord Hinkie
Like I've seen some Mark Andrews at the bar and they're like divorced with two kids and, you know, don't have much life in front of them.
00:44:22
Dakota Zeigler
So like 29, yeah? It's fair.
00:44:25
Lord Hinkie
So, yeah, like they're 29. um And then I had to have Terrence Ferguson on there. He's just a my guy. All good news at a camp so far from Terrence Ferguson.
00:44:31
Dakota Zeigler
it's fair
00:44:33
Lord Hinkie
I don't know if he's going to have the tight end one spot there solidified week one. I think a little, you know, I don't think he's like head and shoulders above the rest of them.
00:44:40
Dakota Zeigler
It'll be Higby first. Yeah.
00:44:42
Lord Hinkie
It'll be Higby first, just the vet guy thing. ah I I think he's a great pass catcher, and if he gets the reins there in L.A., I think he's got very high upside for to fantasy.
00:44:50
Dakota Zeigler
He will. The only reason I'm not fighting you is because he will see the reins. Like, it will happen.
00:44:55
Lord Hinkie
He has to.
00:44:57
Dakota Zeigler
And that's like, I think it's high. I think it's very high. And I think it's gross that Mark Andrews didn make your list.
00:45:02
Dakota Zeigler
But, like, he's going to see the reins.
00:45:02
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:45:02
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:45:04
Dakota Zeigler
They spent that pick on him. And I heard reports after the draft that they would have taken him in the first round if no one offered that if the Falcons didn't offer that trade package.
00:45:12
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, that massive deal.
00:45:13
Dakota Zeigler
To get back in. They would have taken Terrence Ferguson in the first. And like that's how much they believe in this guy. And I believe in Sean McVay.
00:45:18
Lord Hinkie
Oh.
00:45:19
Dakota Zeigler
So.
00:45:21
Lord Hinkie
I'm going to try to keep it PG, but I just had a reaction after hearing Terrence Ferguson would have been in the first round. I mean, his dynasty value would have went through the roof.
00:45:26
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:45:27
Lord Hinkie
I would have had to drop them in like the end of the first round. And rookie startup, like that would have been rough.
00:45:33
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah. I think you need to grab some tissues bro.
00:45:35
Lord Hinkie
His laptop almost almost fell off my desk.
00:45:36
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:45:39
Lord Hinkie
Anyways.
00:45:39
Dakota Zeigler
yeah
00:45:40
Lord Hinkie
I think so that wraps up our little dynasty throw together top 12 episode thing that we, you know, this podcast we're doing. is a fun one. i'm I'm shocked. I don't think it was as crazy as i was expecting it.
00:45:52
Lord Hinkie
Obviously your Jaden Higgins take is pretty nuts. But other than that, I mean, I feel like we're pretty not consensus, but we're, you know, right we're close. We're almost there.
00:46:03
Dakota Zeigler
We're almost there.
00:46:05
Lord Hinkie
But then again,
00:46:05
Dakota Zeigler
We see things eye to eye for the most part.
00:46:07
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, but then again, who cares about consensus? you If there's a reason that we have a podcast, it's because people should listen to us.
00:46:09
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:46:12
Lord Hinkie
They shouldn't listen to themselves.
00:46:14
Dakota Zeigler
Fight against the grain. You would have never known about Nico Collins if if it wasn't for me, guys.
00:46:16
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:46:19
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, you want to trade two seconds for Alman Ross St.
00:46:20
Dakota Zeigler
Let's keep that in mind.
00:46:22
Lord Hinkie
Brown years ago?
00:46:22
Dakota Zeigler
Yeah.
00:46:23
Lord Hinkie
We have to find some new good players that we're good on because we have the same.
00:46:27
Dakota Zeigler
I'm working on it.
00:46:28
Dakota Zeigler
working on it so hard. Jaden Higgins, work. Work.
00:46:28
Lord Hinkie
We need some of these other guys to hit because, man, are we just milking
00:46:33
Lord Hinkie
We are milking these Nico and Amara takes.
00:46:36
Dakota Zeigler
I'ma milk him till the day I die.
00:46:38
Lord Hinkie
Oh, man.
00:46:39
Dakota Zeigler
Hey, guys.
00:46:39
Lord Hinkie
RJ Harvey has to hit.
00:46:42
Dakota Zeigler
Quinshawn Judkins needs to hit. Jaden Higgins needs to hit. I'm on a drought right now that you would not believe. They gotta work.
00:46:51
Lord Hinkie
They
00:46:51
Dakota Zeigler
Or else I'm just that loony bin Skip Bayless and who wants to be that guy? of I'm turning into him and I don't want to be.
00:47:00
Dakota Zeigler
I gotta be right at least once in a while or else I'm Skip Bayless.
00:47:02
Lord Hinkie
Oh no. Are we, are we totally turning into Dakota?
00:47:07
Dakota Zeigler
Oh god.
00:47:08
Lord Hinkie
Oh God.
00:47:08
Dakota Zeigler
Oh god.
00:47:09
Lord Hinkie
Anyways. Anyways, you should listen our podcast and definitely believe in our takes because we know what we're talking about. no, in all seriousness, this was a great time. I'm glad we were able to throw this together as a quick little podcast.
00:47:20
Lord Hinkie
wanted to do it earlier, but you know, life got in the way and you know, we had the good time actually hanging out in real life, which is what you guys should do. Hang on with your buddies. Uh, You know, rent a boat and just go sit on there and get sunburned all day.
00:47:32
Dakota Zeigler
Get my a boat.
00:47:32
Lord Hinkie
i think it'd be a time.
00:47:34
Lord Hinkie
Yep, we'll have mute that one out. Sorry, Zig. you
00:47:37
Dakota Zeigler
oh Oh, I said I'd behave and I didn't. My bad, bro.
00:47:40
Lord Hinkie
You made it so long. You made it 49 minutes, buddy. You did a great job. You deserve a cookie.
00:47:44
Dakota Zeigler
I tried. but
00:47:45
Lord Hinkie
You deserve a cookie. Crack open a cold one, why don't you?
00:47:47
Dakota Zeigler
I'm gonna get one.
00:47:49
Lord Hinkie
But no, I had a great time doing this podcast. Hope you guys enjoy listening to it. And how many you drop, you know... Throw your top 12s out there. um don't know if we're going to be, we should probably throw these out in our socials, but then again, you know, what are we, a podcast?
00:48:02
Lord Hinkie
But yeah, drop your top 12.
00:48:03
Dakota Zeigler
What we, post-production? Come on.
00:48:05
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. No, that's Zig's job. What do you think I do? i have a life. but yeah, let us know who you would have had in, who you wouldn't have had in, you know, drop those comments on the socials and, you know, like subscribe, do all that fun stuff. Listen, tell your buddies, tell your friends that are now starting a bunch of random fantasy football leagues for no reason and doing a bunch of redrafts that no one's going to care about in a couple of weeks. But, tell your buddies about this podcast and tell them they should tune in and listen to, uh, get these incredible fantasy football takes.
00:48:33
Lord Hinkie
You know, if you're someone who's listening and you have no idea what you're doing, We kind of do.
00:48:40
Dakota Zeigler
We pretend to know.
00:48:41
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, we pretend we we know what we're doing. So listen to us.
00:48:44
Dakota Zeigler
And I'd say there's at least a 50% chance one of us are right.
00:48:48
Lord Hinkie
Maybe. But yeah, you guys for listening. Appreciate you guys tuning in. Damien, anything to say the people before we head out of here?
00:48:54
Dakota Zeigler
Nope. Real happy to get back on. Obviously, this was kind of a bit thrown together real quick. We've been wanting to do this probably two weeks now, and life got in the
00:49:02
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:49:04
Dakota Zeigler
We're all trying to be adults out here and be responsible with jobs and stuff. And then last week didn't work out, ah we got on a boat. So no complaints on my end.
00:49:13
Lord Hinkie
No qualms, baby. No qualms.
00:49:14
Dakota Zeigler
No qualms.
00:49:15
Lord Hinkie
Tune in to tear into the new merch link and all of our all of our descriptions of the podcast.
00:49:16
Dakota Zeigler
Get me on a boat.
00:49:20
Dakota Zeigler
but
00:49:22
Lord Hinkie
We were just going to sell qualms shirts. No ZNG 90C pod. We're not dropping no redraft like kit thing. No like draft guide.
00:49:30
Dakota Zeigler
No.
00:49:31
Lord Hinkie
We're dropping qualms shirts.
00:49:31
Dakota Zeigler
No.
00:49:33
Lord Hinkie
That's what we're doing.
00:49:33
Dakota Zeigler
mean
00:49:35
Lord Hinkie
thank guys for tuning in.
00:49:36
Dakota Zeigler
That'd be fantastic.
00:49:37
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, it would be awesome. We need to put that together.
00:49:40
Dakota Zeigler
Also, also a shirt.
00:49:40
Lord Hinkie
Zig Production.
00:49:41
Dakota Zeigler
Shirt just, uh, it's a picture of Amonra and Nico, and it's, like, there's cow otters in the middle just getting milked. That's it.
00:49:52
Lord Hinkie
Oh, man.
00:49:54
Lord Hinkie
This podcast is so dumb.
00:49:56
Dakota Zeigler
Oh, God, throw it out.
00:49:58
Lord Hinkie
But yeah, thank you guys for listening. Appreciate you guys tuning in. As always, be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. you Be a kind, smiling face out there for everyone else. And you you're just sitting next to a guy and you don't really know him too much, ask him what his top 12 dynasty rankings are and see if you can spark a little conversation and make a new buddy.
00:50:13
Lord Hinkie
We all love new buddies. always, you never know what someone's going through out there. Be a kind, smiling face. And how about you hug somebody? yeah this This is my job to all of you listeners.
00:50:23
Lord Hinkie
Give somebody else a hug. That's all you got. That's your homework for today. thank you guys for listening. Appreciate you guys tuning in. And I'll see you guys on the next one. Peace.