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S2:E1 - Warm Bodies by Isaac Marion (2013 Film)
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To kick off our first episode of Season 2, we’re sinking our teeth into Warm Bodies, a unique love story that’s equal parts romance, humor, and brain-eating zombie action. We’ll discuss Isaac Marion’s heartwarming (and a little gruesome) book and how it was adapted into the charming 2013 movie starring Nicholas Hoult and Teresa Palmer.
Get ready to laugh, swoon, and shamble your way into the new season!
Hosted by Lindsey with co-hosts Crystal and Keri.
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Question of the Episode:
- “If you were a zombie and could only say one word to express yourself, what would it be?”
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Chapters:
(00:00) Introductions
(1:58) Let's talk book ratings
(6:04) Warm Bodies Book vs. Movie Breakdown (SPOILERS)
(1:16:18) Final Verdicts – even though it's obvious
(1:18:47) Question of the Episode
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Transcript
Introduction to the New Season
00:00:08
Speaker
Great. Romance. Just the right amount of oo. Welcome to season two of Based on a Book. I'm Lindsay, and I love a good romance that captures the heart and brain.
Meet the Hosts
00:00:19
Speaker
I'm Crystal. I'm a sucker for a well-dressed man, even if he's a walking red flag. And I'm Carrie, and I love an undead love interest. Just the blood-sucking kind, not the brain-eating kind.
Introducing 'Warm Bodies'
00:00:36
Speaker
We're kicking off our month of love with Warm Bodies, written by Isaac Marion in its 2013 film adaptation starring Nicholas Holt and Theresa Palmer. For those of you who you don't know, Warm Bodies and is an apocalyptic retelling of Romeo and Juliet. Except in this retelling, Romeo isn't so charming. His name starts with R. That's all he remembers.
00:01:05
Speaker
But what's in a name when you're a walking corpse waiting to decompose? See what you did there. R wanders the ruins of a post-apocalyptic America with no idea who he is, how he got here, or why he has to eat people.
Plot Overview of 'Warm Bodies'
00:01:21
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He just follows the crowd, a mindless mob that has spread across the globe and reduced civilization to ruins. And then he meets Julie, not Juliet.
00:01:33
Speaker
This fiery young survivor is a blast of color in R's gray landscape, and he begins to remember the humanity he lost. But their unlikely romance becomes something much bigger, sparking revolution that wakes the dead and other dark forces. Warm bodies is a dead man's search for life. It's a young woman's fight for a better world, and it's a hope that refuses to die.
Book vs. Movie: Crystal's Perspective
00:01:58
Speaker
So let's talk ratings.
00:02:01
Speaker
Crystal, I want to start with you. I was hoping you were going to do that because I need to know. Right off the bat, honestly, um I feel differently about the book in the movie, significantly differently about the book in the movie. And I struggled trying to figure out my rating for this one because it is absolutely the worst Romeo and Juliet ever.
00:02:27
Speaker
I don't mind a lot of zombie stuff. It doesn't bother me quite as much as a lot of other scary things, but I did end up having horrific nightmares for days after this. Did not expect that from this one. Legit, honestly, I didn't either because, again, I don't mind zombie stuff. I actually really kind of like a lot of zombie stuff, but this one messed me up. And I think that's why I want to give the book four syllables.
00:02:57
Speaker
You took my writing. Oh my gosh. Really? Yeah. Really. I, okay. So first of all, the syllables thing is kind of cool. And second of all, the book, although not easy to, and I really went back and forth between like a three and a four, but at the end of the day, it was because it stuck with me so long and I continued to not just dream about it, but think about it that I was like, no, this is a
Unique Zombie Perspective
00:03:20
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four. So that's how I feel about that. Okay. So I gave it.
00:03:27
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for Whitty Walkers.
00:03:33
Speaker
I loved this book. I really, really love this book. I do feel differently about the book and the movie, and I'll get into that more as we break it down. Absolutely. Which I'm sure all of us will. But I love this book. It was so unexpected and it was really fun. um Honestly, the humor really got me. Yeah. The humor in it was my kind of humor, like the dry humor. You get me every single time. The dry humor plus just like are as yeah The Whittiness from R in general. I just adored that part. I like the setting. I mean, you could probably like, you know, rip apart different parts of this book, but I just don't care. I just thought it was hilarious and I really liked it.
00:04:25
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I really loved that it was from like, we got so much of the zombies perspective. That is literally I don't think it was so different. And I didn't expect to like it as much as I did. But that's probably why I loved it. Like, yeah, who like seriously, what movie or book is has ever been from the perspective of the zombie?
00:04:44
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Yeah. Also when I read, physically read the first half, second half, I was physically reading and listening to the audiobook at the same time to kind of get what the vibe was from the narration. I think it's narrated by Kevin Kennerly.
Character and Setting Differences
00:05:00
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I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly, but the narration style was perfect. Like you got the witty humor from R through the narration. was really It was done really well. Loved it.
00:05:13
Speaker
Nice. Yeah, well, you know, k Crystal took my rating. Sorry. I also gave four syllables literally the same. Oh my gosh, that's crazy. That's a first. It is. I read mine on Kindle.
00:05:26
Speaker
So I didn't get any fancy narrations or anything, but i like I like the humor. It was really good. Was there anything else that we wanted to add or discuss before we make our way into school? Wait, you gave give it four, right? I gave it four. So we all gave it the same rating. We did. Has that ever happened? It's also a first. That's crazy. Do we want to talk about the movie or do we want to say like our rating for the movie since we all feel a little differently about it? Or do we want to say that for the end?
00:05:55
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Let's save it for the end. okay That's our final verdict. So stay with us if you want to hear our final verdict to the end. Beautiful. All right. Well, we are about to sink our teeth into the entire warm bodies plot, book and movie. If you haven't read it or watched it yet, this is your last chance to save your brains from being devoured by spoilers. So proceed at your own risk.
00:06:18
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I am going to go ahead and throw out all of the content and trigger warnings before we get into it. So we will be discussing violence and gore, death and loss, apocalyptic and dystopian themes, body horror, and emotional trauma.
00:06:36
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It's a zombie story, y'all. It is a zombie story, so all of the zombie aspects. But we do start in a post-apocalyptic future. A male zombie, still in the early stages of decay, lives in a community of the dead in an abandoned airport near the city. He cannot remember his name and refers to himself as R.
00:07:00
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This is played by, he's played by Nicholas Holt. So this is where Nicholas Holt is. After the collapse of human civilization, zombies hunt for the living, seeking to eat their brains. Doing so allows them to relive their memories, their feelings, and their thoughts. So in this world, we have fleshies and we have bonies. We're going to kind of break it down like we did with Uglies back in season one.
00:07:29
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I mean, pretties and uglies. Right. In the zombie world, and within the
Zombie Society Details
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corpses. Right. But it's pretty self-explanatory. Again, bonies are zombies whose flesh have completely decayed away. And they sort of act like the pack leaders to the fleshies. And then the fleshies are the typical humanoid zombies who still retain traces of behaviors from their previous life as humans.
00:07:58
Speaker
Though R explains that most of the behaviors are done out of force of habit rather than an attempt to live so like breathing. They don't have to breathe. R is a fleshy and he's a little different because he doesn't like eating human flesh. Any questions why they're doing it?
00:08:20
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He can also form several coherent syllables in one breath, and he collects various objects from the outside world that he hoards in his plane, his plane house, which is a Boeing 747.
00:08:34
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yeah So in the airport, the bony's have a church where they congregate with the fleshies at the airport. R meets another zombie in the airport and they get married. The bony's marry them. Right away, I want to like go back to- I have comments. In the book, one of the key things about R that sets them apart from the other zombies at the airport is that he is well dressed. He's wearing a suit jacket, a red tie, a fitted shirt, a fitted button-up shirt, and slacks.
00:09:18
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in the book. In the movie, he's just this dude wandering around in jeans and a t-shirt and a red hoodie. And don't get me wrong, that was still kind of cute. It's a nice outfit. But like that's kind of a key aspect of slowly throughout the book, we get hints as to who our may have been. And that outfit is one of the hints.
00:09:46
Speaker
And you know what I actually went I haven't read the rest of the series because this is a series the first book in the series I went and read the synopsis of the second and third book because I don't really have an interest in Continuing the series. I am just kind of like It is what it is. You know, I'm I'm not really like I don't have a deep desire to keep going at the end of it. I liked the yeah, I'm just kind of like way it is what it is. But I saw that some little bits and pieces that. Kind of indicating that we are going to find out who he really is like in his past life. And so I think like him
00:10:29
Speaker
essentially, possibly dying in this suit or something could have meant something in the future. Right. And we'll get into it, I'm sure, throughout, but he collects souvenirs. He is living in an airplane. He's wearing a suit with a tie.
00:10:51
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like You know, like all these little things add up and even the the other zombie that he sees on the and moving sidewalk in the airport is but like wearing like her outfit is key too, because they talk about her wearing a tight, long fitted skirt, a button-up shirt, and a name tag. And he's like, maybe she was a secretary. But I'm over here, like obviously she was a stewardess. She's in the airport wearing like what a flight attendant's outfit. You know what I mean? And so like it's kind of those little moments. And that part was definitely left out of the movie. And I think it, in a lot of ways, made it
00:11:35
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I don't wanna say more difficult to relate to R, but like i I guess in a way it it didn't highlight his kind of transition, you know what I mean? like We didn't really learn enough about R and who he was to appreciate who he is. right Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. also like his I think you they were trying to make him into like a different person. like
00:12:12
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he was like ah like his music Even the music, so if you think about the music selection was really different. yeah like He was listening to Sinatra and in the book. And then like in the movie, he's listening to like completely different music. he more He's more like an angsty boy.
00:12:33
Speaker
Yeah. and In the movie, you know what I'm trying to say? And in the book, that i hinge like he has my buy right in in the book they hint that he might have been in his 30s. They couldn't really tell. Yeah. You know, because again, zombie, you can't really tell. But.
00:12:51
Speaker
in the movie, he's so obviously not, just based on what he's wearing and what yeah what he's doing, you can kind of tell he's younger. you know So that kind of had me a little messed up too, because it was like, that's not that's that's not how I pictured R at all. And yeah and i have my book adaptation is the one with the movie cover on the front, which I hate, but It is what I got because I like these books. And so I kind of already was picturing that guy, like that character. And then when I read a completely different outfit in the very first section of the book, I really got very first like couple of pages. The picture I had of him completely changed. Yeah. And I just really hate that when like I don't mind that movies change things from books. You kind of have to sometimes. But like when it's
00:13:41
Speaker
like So well spelled out in the book. I have to wonder like why what what was the point there, you know? Yeah, I was okay I was okay with the change because it had like an overall like the vibe of the movie was like the 2000 like the 2013 funny vibe of it. that I can't explain it. like It's like the funny sci-fi that you saw during that time. It just was like nostalgic to me. kind of Even like the music selection, soundtrack selection. I was also kind of shook that like this is over 10 years old. I remember when it came out and so like when you were all like, we should
Zombie Actions: Realism vs. Fiction
00:14:21
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do warm bodies. I was like, oh yeah, I haven't seen that yet. In in my head, it was like four years old.
00:14:26
Speaker
Right. So when I was like, oh, shoot, we're talking like 12. It's been a while. but yeah So i I like the vibe of it, but. Yeah, I i also didn't love the differences, but I also want to make a comment about the zombies, too. As someone who has seen like a decent amount of different zombie like media and content, I don't like.
00:14:54
Speaker
the ah in the movie, I don't really remember this from the book at all. I don't like the zombies that can sprint the way that they do in this movie. No, that was not okay. Like sometimes they'll like walk and they'll walk like really fast. Yeah, the bony's in the movie and the bony's in the book are different. The sprinting is gonna send me and I'm actually gonna start crying into a ball in the corner. If I see one of those zombies sprinting faster than me,
00:15:24
Speaker
Yeah. No, the minute we end up in a zombie apocalypse where there's sprinting zombies or rage zombies, I'm just going to give up. Those are the 28 days later zombies. Yeah, 28 days later zombies. Uh-huh. No, I'm giving up. Absolutely not. Even like World War Z, the movie. yeah i'm not doing that that's what i'm thinking of i'm like no hell no no i'm not even gonna try to hide i'm just gonna be like okay i'm gonna degrade myself now thank you these are not my zombies now world war z the book or
00:16:01
Speaker
like the slow classic zombies i can try to survive that yeah rage zombies sprinting zombie no like the way that the bony's were like sprinting in the movie were like genuinely scaring me and the bony's in the movie they were like so obviously like animated like dumb well and they have like actually scarring muscle tissue still and like the bony's in the book the way i took it were pretty skeletal yeah like literally skeleton yeah yeah yeah so that one Like when I saw the bony's in the movie, I was just like, Oh, yeah, no, thank you. In the book, they're even questioning. They're like, we don't understand what keeps them together. They're just bones. Right. Are they even human? We don't know. And then you look at the bony's in the movie and they're like, that was clearly never human. That was literally just a skinned like it was just. If anything, that was fleshy.
00:16:55
Speaker
But he had the elongated head too. Yeah, they didn't even look human. And they're like seven feet tall. Yeah, why were all the boneys in the movie tall? You're telling me there's not any short boneys out there? Apparently all short people are really happy. And all tall people are really upset. Really just sage-filled monsters. Yes, sprinting after you. They got the legs for it.
00:17:22
Speaker
Sprinting she's a runner. She's a track star Short all the short ponies couldn't keep up No Okay, so ok' sorry you said Talking about how are I know I keep going all over the place, but you said about our Getting married. This is one of my favorite parts in the book because I could not stop laughing at this I literally haven't barked. I think it's on page 10. I Where it it's like he says that because are like sees a girl that also a zombie and and he's like she doesn't even have like a syllable. She is no one.
00:18:03
Speaker
but don't I always expect too much I reach out and take her hand we walk off the conveyors because he sees her on the conveyors because he always says this he goes on like the conveyors in the um airport he just goes back and forth and they like see each other across as they're going back and forth and we walk off the conveyors with our arms stretched across the divider the female and I have fallen in love or what's left of it and then they're married. He just decides that they're married after that. But he doesn't decide they're married. She didn't remember. Oh, bunnies do. Yeah, bunnies do. The bunnies marry them. He's like, this is my wife now. Yep. And that was literally tracking me up. Or he's like, my girlfriend doesn't talk much. We walk through the echoing quarters of the airport, occasionally passing someone staring out the window or the wall.
00:18:48
Speaker
I was like, what is going on? Mind you, I just met, this is my first impression of you. I'm on page 10 and you have a girlfriend. A wife. A wife. A wife. At this point. That fast, man.
00:19:07
Speaker
Yeah, it's like the congregation murmurs in response to bony's and it's done and we're married. And I was like, what is going on right now? I just I want I just witnessed the zombie Mary. We just skipped the church, though, because he finds a wife. She drags him off to the the church that the bony's have created. Yes. Sorry, Lindsay. We've just taken over. No, we really go. I just i like I feel like in the book, too, and obviously you got to cut some stuff out for the movie in order to make it fit.
00:19:35
Speaker
But we see so much in the book of the zombie society. They have they have a society and a hierarchy and a community and they have a church and they have a school where they train the the fresh new children zombies how to do things and and feed themselves. And they have like all these like almost rituals that they do and and they hunt together as a pack. A school? Yeah, they have a school. They hunt together as a pack and then bring back for the people or the zombies who can't hunt anymore. Like they they have a community and we don't get to see that in the movie. And I think it's kind of important to the story. Like again, I don't know how they would have showed that in the movie.
00:20:24
Speaker
Yeah, you again, you you have to edit for time and I get that but also that was kind of a big deal with all that community. Yeah, the fact that how do you get to the point where these zombies like it made the human them becoming like having their like I can't explain like having their like mind coming back to them make more sense to me because they already had this society structure in place. They had the ability to do that. To me, it was obvious at that point as we're seeing this community, we're seeing this structure, whatever, the society that they built for themselves, it was almost like, well, obviously there's something still left in there. It made it possible. It made it possible. Yeah.
00:21:19
Speaker
And all the humans think that the zombies are monsters, animals, no thought process.
Parallels with Human Society
00:21:24
Speaker
Literally, they're almost mimicking their society, though, just exactly in their own way, what they're what they're able to do. And they're kind of like the way it's written in the book is is that it's not even a thought. It's a lot of its muscle memory. A lot of it's just, you know, they're just so used to doing that. That's their instinct to continue doing that in their undead life.
00:21:46
Speaker
Mm-hmm. So, yeah. Yeah. R is married. R is married now. R is married. Married man. First comes love, then comes marriage, then comes... To zombie babies.
00:22:09
Speaker
Oh, Lord. So yeah, R and his wife are appointed, appointed to kids. This one was really cracking me up. I was like, what is going on? And I love it. Like the bony's just show up with two kids. They don't say anything. They just drop them off. And he's always talking about his wife and kids. His wife and kids back in the airport. My children. And what I think is hilarious is ours still continues to live in the 747. That's still his home.
00:22:38
Speaker
He doesn't invite his wife there. He doesn't bring the kids there. No idea where they are. That's his home. 727 at gate 12. If marriage was actually like that, like I'll be married to you, but I'm going to still keep my place and it's still my place and you ain't welcome here. I'd be down.
00:22:54
Speaker
Let's do it. like Sure, I'll get married. Sure, I'll have you kids. You all just stay over there. I'll stay over here. It's perfect. in The kids, I don't know if they were trying to indicate that maybe there were two kids, zombies in the movie. That was like a little sneak peek. Like a nod to the kids. Yeah, nod to the kids that were in the book. I was wondering that.
00:23:16
Speaker
yeah there were kids that were in the airport that were sometimes undead kids yeah undead kids that were walking around and stuff then they would do like little scenes of them standing there like watching him and things like that so i thought maybe that was them but the the kids the undead kids are more useless than just zombies. They don't even know how to hunt for themselves. Yeah. They go to like school. They go to a little zombie school. Yep. They get taught. Go for the throat. Ew.
00:23:53
Speaker
Oh my god. So like we like we said earlier, the zombies, they do go out and they they do hunt in packs. So while R and a pack of zombies are hunting for food, they encounter Julie Grigio, who was played by Teresa Palmer and a group of her friends. And they were sent out by Julie's father. I'm having a really hard time not calling her Juliet. I feel that. They were sent by her father to recover medical supplies. So
00:24:34
Speaker
R in his pack burst in and R is shot in the chest by Julie's boyfriend, Perry, who was played by DeFranco. That was unexpected to me. That was so unexpected. I didn't know he was in it. I was like, oh, hey, well, the girl that plays Julie plays Diana, my favorite show, Discovery of Witches. Mm hmm. OK. And I was like, oh, my gosh. And we all I know, Nicholas Houlton,
00:25:03
Speaker
a bunch of things, plays in a ton of stuff. Love Nicholas Holt. Yeah. But even the guy who plays M, Marcus or M, yeah, R's friend, I recognize him. But Perry, I was like, no, what are you doing here? Dave Franco. i only and I only knew Nicholas Holt was in there. I didn't know the other actors until I watched it.
00:25:29
Speaker
hu Yeah, it was surprising. So, R does kill and eat Perry's brain while Julie's distracted. Puts a little in his pocket, too. Mm-hmm, saves him for later. Mm-hmm. And then after he eats the brain, he experiences memories from Perry. And that's when R sees Julie for the first time. But instead of wanting to eat her,
00:26:02
Speaker
Perry's memory increases R's attraction to Julie. you And in the movie, this is when R's heart beats for the first time, or since he's become a zombie, which I don't remember that being in the book. I think it was just in the movie. Well, he hasn't even talked about it. but The heart beating in the book doesn't really happen. but you'll feel right He's like, I felt a flutter in my chest or whatever, which I think we're supposed to Yeah. Kind of take is not. Yeah. And then lotta in both the book and the movie, R does rescue Julie from the rest of the pack by wiping some of his blood on her face, which masks her scent. Masks her whole scent. Her whole scent just by. Just by that little tiny bit on her face. A little glow right there. So then she can walk with a whole pack of zombies. Now I've watched enough Walking Dead to know that ain't how that works.
00:26:59
Speaker
You need more than that. I know y'all didn't think I'd watch Walking Dead, but I told you I like zombies. I'm not entirely surprised. I will say I stopped watching it after like two or three seasons. Actually. Yeah, true. It got yucky. Lindsay's having malfunctions. Technical difficulties.
00:27:22
Speaker
ah Carry on. so I don't even remember where we were. I interrupted. Sorry. We're leaving. We're leaving dead Perry. Okay. Right. Perry's dead. Perry's dead. He's gone. Indeed. Except his memories. And his brain. We have Perry's brain in our pocket.
00:27:42
Speaker
I was honestly, that really, that fucked me up. It's like a carrier brain. Bits of brain in your pocket really messed me up. For days. For days. And you're literally eating it like a pack of cheese that's in your pocket.
00:27:58
Speaker
And jingling like dragging it out like he like rashing those little brain cheeses all the way up until they were no good. All the way up until the last bite was nasty.
00:28:14
Speaker
brain cheeses, little brain cheeses it and eating it. And it was and I bet you there was no Ziploc either. It was just no, it was just like loose in that pocket. i get labor Pocket all. i late You got corpse bits in there. Oh my God. And I know you're not washing those jeans, you little corpse. And that's like, I mean, I guess he didn't really care whether it was fresh or not, because he's a zombie. But ew.
00:28:42
Speaker
I thought they did care. I thought that was the point of them going and hunting. That's what I thought too. Live. Pray. Apparently, brain, you know, stores well. I don't know. Let's just grow. Like put it in the fridge. At least in a Ziploc. Yeah. Put it in a Ziploc bag. Put it in a container. Put it on ice. Put it in a lunch bag. Like a civil human being.
00:29:10
Speaker
Just because you're dead doesn't mean you have to lose all of your common sense. We expected more from you are. He's going to get salmonella poisoning or something from that. The brain cheeses. As if he's not already dead. The lint-coated brain cheeses. So disturbed.
00:29:34
Speaker
oh so Moving on. there in the They're in the airplane. And R slowly gains Julie's trust and convinces her to stay for a while until the others forget about her. And when he randomly sings to her, or attempts to sing to her,
00:29:56
Speaker
It's so fucking precious. I want to die. He puts on the record like in order to like keep her calm because she's like freaking out because she just got like taken by a zombie. And he can't really talk to her. She's just grunting. Yeah, so he's like grunting and he can't like form sentences. And she's just constantly being like, what are you? Because I've never met a zombie that's like forming words and like wants to protect me. And he's like trying to say what he wants to say.
00:30:22
Speaker
like to the point he also like changes the record on the song to like make a sentence to say what he wants to tell her and then he's also like attempting to sing to her and I literally am like my romance heart So it isn't just King, ghost boys. i like we I guess I'm into zombies now, I don't know. But the brain thing, the brain in the pocket, like, come on. we We need to fix that first. No brains in your pocket. So R feeds her from the airport's restaurant. He entertains her with treasures.
00:31:02
Speaker
including his record player. And Julie teaches him how to drive a car. Well, kind of. With his kids in the back. I was like, where's your wife? Where's your wife? Well, we know now. She was cheating on him.
00:31:17
Speaker
Yes, with another zombie. I wish the wife thing was in the movie. That would have been so funny. The amount of zombie sex and the detailed descriptions of zombie sex. We didn't get into that. and To me. We haven't gotten there yet. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he talks about it because he's all like,
00:31:37
Speaker
I'm a zombie. like It doesn't really work like that. Yes. I was trying to explain this to the person that I was watching the movie with because he was like, I thought you said this was a romance. that Why is there no spicy scenes? And he was teasing me. And I was like, dude, the book explains why there's no spicy scenes in graphic detail. the He was like, oh, OK, carry on.
00:32:07
Speaker
Yeah. It was unexpected. But I'm glad it was in there. I am too. Yeah. Yep. You're not left wondering. I definitely, definitely always wondered how zombie sex works. It doesn't. It doesn't. And now we know. The more you know. The description with Em and his quote, girlfriends. Girlfriends. He's a lady's man. Living in the women's bathroom too. Yeah, it's really see he was a thinker even when he was dead He was like, I'm gonna go where the ladies are And you know what I didn't like we're jumping around here, I'm sorry We're all over the place, but it wouldn't be us if we weren't yeah em in the movie
00:33:05
Speaker
Was not a giant. It was not. I mean, not what I pick. What do we what do we care? But he wasn't. I mean, I don't hate this, but he actually wasn't as crude as he is in the book idea in the book.
00:33:22
Speaker
He's six foot five. He's like a giant and he's very like crass and crude. yeah And i didn't I did not hate the way he was in the movie. I actually really liked him in the movie. yeah But I do wish that he was bigger in the movie because that's part of what saves them later on is the fact that he's this like giant dude, you know? Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, it wasn't that big of a deal. And honestly, I really liked him in the movie. Yeah, I liked him. But yeah, I i did miss him from the book. Yeah. Yeah. I just think that and from the book, I don't like and from the book because obviously like the comments being made and things like that. But it's just like
00:34:09
Speaker
It was interesting, I guess I'll say. He was a good character. like Yeah, it was an interesting character. Yeah, he was enjoyable as a character. But if that character was a human I knew in real life, I would not like that person. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. True. So R and Julia are bonding. And then R begins to feel guilty about killing Perry. But he does continue to eat his brains.
00:34:37
Speaker
And- Not that guilty. He does continue to experience Perry's memories. And Perry's memories specifically focused on Julie. And that's another thing I feel like we missed from the movie. Yep, I was gonna say that. We see so many, so many of Perry's memories in the book that we start to even, even R starts to question, am I even R anymore? Am I more Perry? Do I actually like Julie or am I only feeling this way because of having eaten Perry's brain? h And we don't really get that in the movie, I don't think. We don't get that R starts to feel like maybe he is
00:35:27
Speaker
almost turning into Perry, not just yeah experiencing the memory but like becoming Perry. Yeah. Also to the point that eventually, I mean, you do not to skip too far ahead, but eventually you do get to the point where R is in the dream, like talking to Perry and stuff. Right. And or being like, like you said, like ah Perry's talking to. Yeah, we get like a second of that, but there is so much of that in the book, which makes sense because why would he be so infatuated with this girl? Right. You know, it you know, he's so infatuated because he has so much experience with this girl in this person's perspective. I'm not going to lie. Every time in the book,
00:36:14
Speaker
He mentioned that he was going to take another bite of Perry's brain. I got excited because I was like, I get to experience this memory, too. I get to think I was like, oh, we're going to go. We're in another Perry memory. Like I was pumped about that. I was getting stressed out because I'm like, she keeps saying she's like, do you know who killed Perry? And he was like, not saying it. And I was like, I always get stressed out about that stuff because I was like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. She's going to find out. She's going to flip out. She's going to flip out. She almost like.
00:36:44
Speaker
It's almost like she she knew. Yeah, she did. and she like The first time she asked and then she was like, maybe I'm not going to ask anymore kind of thing. like You could tell that she was like, oh shit, I don't really want to know the answer. Yeah. I think she even said something like, even if I did know, I i wouldn't blame them or I wouldn't be mad at them. Right. and So it really felt like she knew. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
00:37:10
Speaker
So in the movie, Julie attempts to escape twice. And the first time she tries to run from the plane after telling R, she's hungry. And she's stopped on the tarmac by other fleshies. And R saves her and brings her back to the plane and feeds her cocktail in a can. and I mean, it looked really tasty. I'm not going to lie. It did look really good. I don't know how long it had been in that can, but right fine.
00:37:41
Speaker
but R insists that Julie stay with him for a few days until he deems it safe enough for her to leave and the two bond more and they listen to records and they play games and this kind of causes R to become more alive and his heart starts beating and he starts to say more words. He's able to communicate more. and i would The whole time I'm like, you better not hurt my man's feelings. like Or I will fight you. Yup. I'm starting to get like really attached to him, even in the book, like book and movie, because at this point they're like kind of feel like different people to me a little bit very much like whenever I'm reading the book watching the movie and stuff because I don't know they just don't feel like the same character kind of but it I mean even in the book I'm like don't hurt my man or I'm gonna be really upset yeah and I do really like Julie Julie is like a very like
00:38:45
Speaker
very human character like human female character where she has like her flaws she has her like good things and I really like when an author like doesn't just like write all these like good things about a character it makes them like unrealistic I want to see the flaws I want to see the good things I want them to be relatable and I felt that with Julie Yeah, but also don't piss me off and hurt my man. Pretty much. Because he's innocent. Even though he has brain cheese, it's in his pocket. Okay? Don't hurt my man. And he has a wife and kids. Even though he has a wife and kids. A little bit of baggage, a few red flags. A little bit of baggage in the airport. He's been wearing the same outfit for who knows how long.
00:39:34
Speaker
And no one knows when his last shower was. I know he smells. Oh my god. I know he smells. Like every time he was like getting close to her, I'm like, I just know you want to like... and Anna's breath. oh Oh, I know. He's been eating brains secretly. Secret rotten brains. Secret rotten brains. It's like not even fresh.
00:39:59
Speaker
I can't get over it. I'm sorry. I keep repeating it, but I just can't. And we all know fresh is best. So in the book,
00:40:16
Speaker
this this is when R begins to sleep more. And he also finds his wife with another fleshy.
00:40:29
Speaker
Dun, dun, dun. So he takes a nap. Me when something upsets me. Pretty much. He just lays in the floor and falls asleep. Yeah. Sounds about right. Yeah. At this time, Julie makes her only attempt to escape. And she is attacked by several fleshies. And she, she screams, which wakes R from his slumber.
00:40:58
Speaker
from his dreaming slumber. He's dreaming at this point too. He is dreaming. Which is not apparently a thing that he had done as a zombie previously. So that was a big deal. But then yeah, Julie screams, wakes him up. He goes to save her. I also wish that this scene would have, in the movie, I wish it would have stuck closer to the book. Because in this scene when R is saving Julie, he does the thing where he presses his hand, he gets his chest, he goes,
00:41:27
Speaker
ah Julie and then touches her chest, Julie. I don't know why. I really liked that scene. I really wanted to see it in the movie. I did too, especially because it comes up in the book that kind of like, yeah you know, in and i wish I wish that that had been as shown somehow in the movie because it was really touching. who I don't know why. It made me think of Tarzan too.
00:41:52
Speaker
Right. Oh, yeah. Tarzan's language barrier. You know, it was a big deal. And now they're trying. Like R is starting to talk again, but the other zombies are not. So he's got to find a way to get that communication through to them. And that I was just it was really touching moment. But not in the movie. So not in the movie. No skipping forward. hu So M is confused.
00:42:22
Speaker
And he is upset with R's behavior because fleshies are supposed to eat the humans, not love them. But he stops the other fleshies from attacking her and then the bony show up because they are attracted by the noise and the commotion. And in the book, one of the bony's shows R some old photos of the dead and the living fighting each other And he's basically trying to tell R that they need to maintain the status quo, that they can't be friends. They can't unite. And in the movie, this is when the bony's like really, really scary. Because they just straight up attack them. They're trying to kill R and Julie. Luckily,
00:43:15
Speaker
M does help them escape and R takes Julie back to the, in the, in the movie, they go back to the airplane and in the morning, Julie convinces R to take her home and they're leaving and there's like all of the, all of the fleshies are watching them leave. So there's clearly something going on and the bony's attack again and they're trying to kill Julie.
00:43:47
Speaker
They get in the car, they go to the city and they end up camping out in this house in like the suburbs. In the book, Julie allows R to share a bed with her. And the next morning, Julie calls her father and sends R out for gas for the car. the way coming But when he comes back, Julie's gone. Rude.
00:44:17
Speaker
I will say as a science-y person, let's throw the a little bit of science in here, the landline still working is legit a pretty common thing that you hear from a lot of like survivalists and preppers and stuff that landlines could still be functional. And and legit they really could, especially if they're like buried landlines, the chances of them being like, you know, completely destroyed or or slim. And they don't need necessarily electricity to run. So I thought that was really neat that that was a part of the story. And we don't really see that in the movie at all. no And I think that like that is like
00:45:01
Speaker
I don't know, most apocalyps post-apocalyptic type movies will show you like how they're communicating or how they're and they didn't do any of that, and I was kind of disappointed. Yeah. This part made me, in the book, made me so freaking sad like to send someone away when he's like, literally thinks that they're about to go like do something together and like, yeah, go do this and I'll be waiting right here. Yeah, she's like, go get more gas. Yeah, and he goes and does it for her to help her and then comes back and she's gone. I'm like, we'll just rip my heart out of my chest, why don't you? She did take the picture of her with her hand on her heart. I It's so mean. I had my moment.
00:45:50
Speaker
And then when he was just like, I'm not ready to say goodbye. And so he leaves the picture there in the house and starts walking. And I was like, I know. And he walks back to the airport. Okay, but the movie is very different in this part. Very different. Very different. In the movie, R sleeps on the floor. He also admits that he was the one that killed Perry. And that does not happen in the book till like the end. The end end. Yeah. So I was shocked by that. I was like, what? So that's when she decides to abandon him.
00:46:27
Speaker
Yeah, and also during that part, whenever they're in the house in the movie, she sees her dad driving in like driving yeah with like a bunch of people driving by searching for her. And she doesn't go out there yet.
00:46:43
Speaker
but she sees that they're out searching for her. They didn't go out. They also didn't check the house. Yeah. Right. like You see a house with a busted down door and you didn't look or or or even like because they had lit lamps and stuff. so like Yeah.
00:46:59
Speaker
You didn't try to look in the house that had the light on the also the only thing i would assume is like they're like going through and hoping that she'd come out if she heard them coming through but i'm like you but isn't the point of you going there.
00:47:16
Speaker
So why wouldn't you go out and see? I don't think he was actually looking for her. I think they were out on another salvage mission or something, or they were out to do the meeting with the other. But why wouldn't she go out and see him? Because she's trying to get there anyway. Right. Because i was confused that oh she because she knew that that would cause him to kill.
00:47:39
Speaker
killedda r yeah yeah But she's going to leave his ass anyways. She sucks. Just kidding. I love her. So R is walking back to the airport when it starts to rain. It's like a heavy cold rain. He's walking in the rain. Just kidding. He can't feel it. He's fine. But he can. He does. Oh, yes. Yes, he does. He feels cold for the first time since becoming a zombie. You made my boy walk in the rain. But he got cold.
00:48:09
Speaker
And on the road, R runs into M and some other fleshies who have been chased out by the Boney's. And M explains that ever since the confrontation with the Boney's at the airport, the fleshies have been changing like R. And they're experiencing things such as dreams and old memories. So R decides to go after Julie. And the the humans, the survivors, are living in this abandoned stadium that they've converted into a large community.
00:48:41
Speaker
And it is led sanctuary city, but in a stadium. Yeah. Can you imagine? Honestly, I was like trying to picture that. It was actually really hard to picture. It was also, it felt really different between the book and the movie. Yeah. Yeah. And how he got in there was very different. I'm going to talk about that too. Okay. Yeah. So yeah the community is led by Julie's father, Colonel Grigio. Um, in the book.
00:49:11
Speaker
are kind of, he's he i mean he he doesn't exactly look like a fleshy. He's not really decomposed or anything. He's just dirty. So he's disguised as a human. He makes this plan with the other fleshies to get into the stadium. He runs at the guards and he yells, help, help, because he can speak. They don't know the zombies can speak.
00:49:41
Speaker
And in all of the the confusion and the chaos where they're trying to shoot the fleshies that are supposedly chasing this human, R is able to slip in past them. I wanted to see this scene in the movie. I did too. Just so bad. Mm-hmm. And in the movie, he like, what? just
00:50:04
Speaker
shambles in. well He goes in through that. He went through from Perry's memory, yeah through like an area that he had from Perry's memory that they used to sneak in and out of. Which this is how the stadiums are different between the book and the movie. In the book, there're their civilization is in the stadium. Yeah.
00:50:25
Speaker
Right. And in the movie, there's just like... Stadium adjacent. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he actually ends up sneaking through the the stadium itself to get to the community. Yeah. This is also the scene, so R is able to get in and through Perry's memory,
00:50:48
Speaker
he's able to locate streets and recognize buildings. All the memories though, like suddenly he's having memories from not just Perry, but other people that he's eaten, all the memories that he's eaten before. He's got other voices in there now too, like other souls. So he's able to find Julie's house. Where conveniently, Julie is standing on her balcony and she's Oh,
00:51:27
Speaker
her friend nora is inside playing the role of nurse being like come back inside like ah o it was it that's the moment that i went oh, come on no no but they are reunited And it's it's kind of cute. I'm not going to lie. It's kind of cute. It was cute. I just hated the fact that it was like they tried so hard to force the Romeo and Juliet moment. Yeah. It was just like, oh, OK.
00:51:59
Speaker
I actually like, sort like I said, I love a good soundtrack in a movie. Like I have an obsession with like good music in a movie. Yes. And the music that was in this part, because after the scene, whenever they reunite and stuff, they want to go like out. I don't remember why they went out in the movie. I do remember why they went out in the book. Why did they have to leave in the movie? Oh, because they were wanting to go tell Was it in the movie they wanted to go tell someone? Why did they leave in the book? In the book, they left because they wanted to just go out and go explore. Yeah, in the book they wanted to give him a tour. Yeah. But I don't remember why they left in the movie. I don't either. They were leaving the house in the movie. But in the book, they wanted to go out and give him a tour of everything so they had to clean him all up.
00:52:47
Speaker
and all that stuff. They were literally going to go out and go drink and all this stuff. But in the movie, they had this whole moment where they had to put some makeup on him to make him not look so dead-like. And then he had his first shower and all this stuff. And explaining it in the book was really fun, too. But the music behind it was really good. And I just love that whole scene. But I'm trying to remember, why did they leave the movie? Why did they leave the movie?
00:53:14
Speaker
Were they just going to tell Colonel Grigio that the zombies were changing? I think that's what it was was. Yes, that's what
Omitted Movie Scenes
00:53:21
Speaker
it was. It skipped the whole section of them going to explore the town, him getting drunk.
00:53:28
Speaker
Julie showing him her is his her mom's grave. Yes his orchard met The bar the juice bar the orchard the speakeasy. Yeah, like they skipped all over that and then What else happens? so now he's drunk because they took him up to this the juice bar where she snuck in some of the vodka from the airport and he used the bathroom and and he uses the bathroom, yeah and then he knocks out those two creepers. And he does something very, very bad. And he runs off, and he gets confronted by that security guard. Yeah, because they're like because he's he's in the rain, and the makeup is slipping off of him, and he's by himself. And that security guard is like, step into the light, and he's like, oh shit, what am I going to do? And he bites him.
00:54:20
Speaker
which infects him because R is still a zombie. Yep. and But like Perry's memory or personality or soul or whatever pops up and is like spit that shit out, bro. We ain't doing this anymore. Yeah.
00:54:34
Speaker
We're human flesh sober now. and And so he does, but it's too late. He done bit the security guard. And then he's like, I know I should de-brain him. I know I should, but i I can't bring myself to do it. So he runs. And then doesn't even tell Julie what he did. Nope.
00:54:51
Speaker
leaves him behind. leaves dude behind to just be like like legit like this is when you own up you'd be like julie i made a mistake uh i need your help julie and nora and nora and nora that's also there who in the book can we talk about nora real quick yeah this is like I don't even know how to say this because I know that I'm like your basic white bitch. But the fact that Nora in the book was I think she was Ethiopian. like They bring up the fact that
00:55:25
Speaker
she's black and like how because of this apocalypse and this, you know, new society that they're in, that that doesn't even mean anything anymore. And she's like, you know, my nobody's ethnicity means anything. I just get this really cool skin and you get a sunburn. You know what I mean? And in the in the movie, like legit, I feel like the movie's super whitewashed. There are. It's just basically all white people for the most part.
00:55:53
Speaker
And that made me really sad. Yeah. I know. Whenever I watched the movie, I was like, I don't think that she, I couldn't remember if she was white or not. And that like part of me was like, did I dream that? Did I? I had to go back and look and I was like, oh.
00:56:09
Speaker
Yeah. and and i fle Why change that? Why? I mean, I guess in a way, why leave it in, but for real, A, representation, and B, like the there was a point being made that in this new society, there wasn't racism that because there wasn't time for it. Nobody cared. nobody like there it it It wasn't because people were better. It was literally because we had bigger things to worry about.
00:56:38
Speaker
It was living versus undead. Exactly. And so that was kind of she was like, I don't even have anything to be afraid of or even proud of anymore when it comes to heritage or anything like that, because we got bigger fish to fry. And I feel like that. So that point was gone, you know, in the weirdest, dumbest way. But whatever. Yeah, I noticed that, too. I really loved Nora's character in the book.
00:57:04
Speaker
Especially when what's coming up, too. I liked her. For reals. She was badass. So ah wait. also Oh, sorry. Go go ahead. I'm back. OK. So also, Nora makes a little comment about her and Perry had like this little situation, right?
00:57:28
Speaker
There was some little drama in this place that they were living. Perry cheated on Julie one time. Yeah. we It turns out, and she knew. R knew about that, Julia told, but what R didn't know was that it was with Nora. It was when Nora first came there, because I guess there's other places. Other little like sanctuary places. Yeah. yeah And they're like trying to like bridge them together somehow or create tunnels or whatever. They're trying to build a wall. Right, to merge the two stadiums or whatever. There's the stadium and there's the dome, I guess. Also, Perry was a very interesting character as well. like He had
00:58:18
Speaker
a lot of like thoughts about the entire like apocalypse happening and things about the zombies and ideas about the zombies and things like that. And not at the very end, like not wanting to even survive at one point. You just gave up. Yeah. Yeah. And until he was being eaten when he suddenly decided he wanted to live again through our Yeah, right. OK. So it's I thought that was really interesting, too. So sorry, I'm jumping around again. We're getting chaotic and that's just what we do. Welcome back. Welcome back to the first episode of season two. Our has caused an outbreak in the small community. So now everyone is on lockdown. Yep. And Colonel Greasy, not in the movie. Mm hmm.
00:59:15
Speaker
Right. um Colonel Grigio comes home to check on Julie. And he seems to put it together. He seems to. Yeah, well, you know, he met R briefly before Julie lies and says that R is Nora's boyfriend. Yeah. So now, later on,
00:59:38
Speaker
Colonel Grigio's kind of put it together that, wait a minute, you're not from that other that other civilization over there. Yeah, you got brains in your pocket. Although he's had a shower, so he might not smell as bad. True. True. Oh yeah, and he's wearing the same outfit. Yeah, the airport outfit, the the like suit with the red tie. Yeah, nobody could've, instead of washing it, you couldn't have given him another outfit. Right.
01:00:07
Speaker
But that's beside the point. So Colonel Grigio attacks R, stabs him right in the shoulder. And he doesn't bleed. And he doesn't bleed. Or. He doesn't even flinch. Or feel pain, so. Right. So Nora and Julie have to stop him from doing more. And in the movie, this plays out very differently because It doesn't even happen in the house. You know, like we said earlier, right they they get R ready and they go to meet Colonel Grigio before he's about to leave on a mission. And that's when R confronts him and he reveals that the fleshies are coming back to life. You know, they're trying to convince him that things are changing, something's happening. Colonel Grigio doesn't want to hear it. He dismisses them, threatens to kill R. Nora saves the day.
01:01:05
Speaker
She pulls a gun on Colonel Grigio and Julian R. Escape. the the baseball stadium. um oh I want to want to talk about something. okay so Nora pulls the gun, but also one of the things that that we learn while R is getting the tour of the facilities in in the book is that the children that are of the living also have a school. They're being taught how to defend themselves against the zombies, how to shoot, how to
01:01:36
Speaker
you know load and unload and reload and how to take apart weapons and where to aim. and so like When Nora grabs that gun, he knows she knows what to do with it. like Because they've all been tra all these kids were trained to fight the zombies. yep Just like in the airport where all the dead children were taught how to fight the living.
01:02:03
Speaker
yep Not just so different. Not so different. And and it's the parallels that that the author makes between the society over here and the society over there. like The zombies all being holed up at the airport, the living all being holed up at the stadium. like It's so well done.
01:02:22
Speaker
in the first half and the second half of the book, those parallels, that like this is why I give this a four. This is why I fell in love with this book. This is why it stuck with me. As more and more, as I'm thinking about it days later, I'm going, oh, that was just like, or I remember the moment when, or that really made me... Because we are the zombies.
01:02:49
Speaker
and He just don't get it in the movie. You don't you don't get that feeling know So and our escape and They meet up with the rest of ours group. So M and the other fleshies And they're attacked by the bony's in the movie so while M and his gang of fleshies are squaring off against the bony's Julie and our run to find themselves trapped in the stadium and They take the only escape route from the stadium, which is this huge fall off the side of the stadium. And we're going to see exit the former emergency exit that seems to be that has no stairs exit. yeah Right. I love this part in the book. And I have because I have I really have a tab for this because in the book, whenever he does this, he OK, so he's holding her right.
01:03:48
Speaker
And he's at the side of the stadium and he falls back with her because he can he can be the landing for her because he's going to be totally fine when he is landing for her. He's not really dead. What could happen? Yeah, he's fine. And then when he does it, she like gets up and he gets up and he's like,
01:04:07
Speaker
You make me feel so young. He literally says that. He sings it in the book. And the fact that that's not in the movie makes me want to sue. I hated this part in the movie.
01:04:22
Speaker
But humor was so good at that point in the movie, or in the book, in the book. Like, how could you not put that in there? He's like, you make me feel so young. Because they would have had to bring out Frank and they didn't bring out Frank through any of the movie, even though it's totally in the book. I know, that part was so funny.
01:04:40
Speaker
I feel like I was crying laughing at that part. The difference between the the giant battle I guess or whatever in the book and in the movie is so different.
01:04:55
Speaker
But one thing that I think the movie did well is as the boneys are attacking, the fleshies are also in the movie are also fighting against the boneys. And so like when the living are coming to start shooting off the boneys, they're like, wait a minute. These guys are on our team too. like Yeah, I think they did that really well. And I think they did that really well in the movie. That isn't quite how it happened in the book, but I feel like That's okay. They did that. That was a decent choice in the movie to make us understand the shift. And help represent what was going on and made it more clear. And in the movie, when R takes Julie and they fall, they just land in some water, which that part is fine. You get the suspense where he's going under the water and he kind of hits his head and you're like, oh my God, is he going to get back up? And he does.
01:05:53
Speaker
But then they kiss. That breath. I just know it's rank. I just know it's rank. Absolutely rank. This man is eating brains from breakfast, lunch, and dinner. He ain't brushed his teeth either. None of that.
01:06:10
Speaker
so it's i this Again, I like zombie stuff, generally speaking. In this moment, this...
01:06:24
Speaker
wrap up or whatever. Carry on Lindsay. I'm just mad about it. Carry on Lindsay. So they kiss. So they're kissing and Colonel Grigio shows up because you know they wasted time. They didn't get anywhere. And Colonel Grigio shoots R in the shoulder without warding. Shocker. he's He's convinced that he's just turned Julie. okay And that's when they notice that R's starts bleeding from his gunshot wound.
01:06:54
Speaker
Which means he's human. He's completely revived. He's a human again. And the humans and the zombies or the fleshies, they combine forces and they kill most of the bonies. And then the bonies that they don't kill just die from starvation. And all the other fleshies start to come back to life and then they start to Integrate them into society because that's literally how the movie goes. The bony's die. The fleshies become human. They're integrated. Everyone lives happily ever after the end. And then R is fully human. Which is so bad. R is fully human. He and Julie, they sit on the stadium and they watch the wall that surrounds the city. They watch it as it's being demolished.
01:07:54
Speaker
And that's just where the movie wraps it up.
Philosophical Reflections
01:07:59
Speaker
No sequels. We're done. Cut it. Boo. Boo. But in the book, the crowd of fleshies has grown outside. Julie and R have clearly changed them with whatever they've got going on. So the fleshies are also seeking humanity.
01:08:23
Speaker
When they're deliberating what to do next, while they're on the stadium deliberating what to do next, the bonies attack. Both the living and the fleshies. and R and Julie have met up with Nora again at the stadium. I love this because at that time, she has her face on the screen. On the jumbotron, yeah. And the saying that she's wanted because she tried to shoot the general or whatever. And she's like, you guys, look, I'm famous. It's pretty funny. She's just sitting, waiting there. She's like, look, I'm famous. I love her. She had such a good sense of humor in the book. Yeah. It was not there in the movie at all. Yeah, no.
01:09:02
Speaker
But as they're on the the top of the stadium watching the Boney's attack, Julie has an epiphany. And this is where it kind of loses me in the book. But the plague started because the human race crushed itself beneath the weight of its negative emotions.
01:09:24
Speaker
until it released a dark force that changed the humans so that everyone could see their evil. And in the midst of the chaos and the bloodshed, R and Julie kiss, and it's the strength of their love that cures R of the plague. It's going to be a no from me. I also hated this.
01:09:51
Speaker
Yeah, this is what made it not a five. Like this this ending made it not a five. Exactly. Absolutely. But their eyes turn gold from this. I remember being like, um so and what's going on? Yeah, some sort of like cosmic shockwave or whatever pulses out of them. And they're not undead, but they are undead, but they're living. I don't know.
01:10:19
Speaker
Anyway, Colonel Grigio shows up and breaks up the party. And. There's also Colonel, I think it's. Rosso Rosso. Yeah. Yeah. I want to say Rosso, but I don't know. Well, at one point they call him Rossi. Like exactly. So yeah. Not in the movie, but he's the one that actually saves R and Julie from Colonel Grigio. And Colonel Grigio falls off the roof because he's attacked by a bony.
01:10:50
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and they both fall and they shrivel and they turn into dust and bones, the end. Now, colonel or General Grigio literally turns into a bony as he's falling and like disintegrate. He doesn't really fight it. He doesn't even fight it. And I think that's important too because it literally is that like we are the zombies. We like we r we we are just as eaten up by ourselves And then they kind of hint at it too in the book because as they describe Colonel Grigio more throughout the book and especially when they compare him to Colonel Rosso. He's a bony. He's a bony. And you can tell, bonies are the people who have just given up. They they don't care.
01:11:40
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They're not willing to change or listen or adapt. The things are the way they are and there's nothing anybody can do about it. So we're just, they've given up. They've given up. And had Perry not been eaten by R, would he had become a bony? Exactly. Exactly. So in a way, R saved Perry.
01:12:05
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And with the death of Colonel Grigio, all of the bony's flee and the battle ends with the living and the dead establishing peace. And in the epilogue, it is revealed that in the aftermath of the battle, the word about the origins of the plague has spread amongst the other civilizations. So this kind of hints that there there's a chance for a cure.
01:12:35
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And, um, R and Julie have the moment where she asks if he wants to remember his real name or who he was before all of this happened. And he decides that he's just gonna, he's R, he is R now. And that's, that's. Yeah. She's like, don't you want your old life? And he was like, no, I want this one. Yeah. That's just who he is now.
01:13:03
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So I actually had, oh wait, did we talk about the, how he found or how he told Julie about Perry in the book? Not in the book. We did in the movie, not in the book.
01:13:16
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So he actually went the way- I thought this was actually really good in the book. I loved it in the book. Yeah, so near the end, I can't tell you the exact timeline of when he does this. It was before they escaped, but after he had just killed the security guard. Yeah, so he took Julie to a specific place. I think it was like a foster home the foster home. Yeah. Yeah. Where all the orphans go. Yeah. Where they were. And only Perry would know this. Like, R wouldn't know where this location was. So I was taking her there and she's like, how do you know this? And he just doesn't say anything and takes her all the way to Perry's old room.
01:13:56
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and finds like, I don't know if it's like letters, story. I can't remember. It's a book he was writing, yeah a book that he was writing it and gives it to her. And she's like puts it together. The only way he would know where this is located is by seeing his memories because he killed him. He ate Perry's brain. And I thought that was really good. and But I have two quotes. One to show how romantic art is, because that's my man.
01:14:29
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besides his brains in the pocket. But I love this so much. He's talking like, Julie's kind of opening up about her mom and stuff like that. And he says that he he goes, but I'm not afraid of the skeletons in Julie's closet. I look forward to meeting the rest of them, looking them hard in the eye, giving them firm bone crunching handshakes.
01:14:55
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That was really sweet. I would, I'd probably would pass away if someone said that to me. And then I have another quote because every time I see like a hope quote, I think back to our episode. Our Shawshank. Yeah, Shawshank Redemption.
01:15:14
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So I think this is our talking. It's like I can see the past and the present, but what's the future? And Julia says, well, I guess that's the tricky part. The past is made out of facts. I guess the future is just hope. In Argos or fear, she goes, no, hope. That was a good one, too. Those are good quotes.
01:15:37
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so was i The book is well written too. Yeah, it's so well written. Even like the witty comments, like I have another quote. I had like so many tabs in this one. It's like one of the witty comments from R was like, in the morning my wife finds me slumped against one of the floor to ceiling windows overlooking the runways. My eyes are open and full of dust. My head leans to one side. I really allow myself to look so corpse-like.
01:16:01
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I was just like dying laughing the whole time too. It's so well written. I think it's hilarious that R has such a great vocabulary for a zombie. I know. Like his internal dialogue too. Is the best. It's the best. Oh my gosh. It's too good. I love it. I think we kind of know our final verdicts, but let's do final verdicts. As much as I love the vibes of the movie, like just ignoring like the dumb things about it. I do love like the nostalgic vibe of it. Like it was like during that time where it's like, yeah like just like the fun, like background type movie vibe, but book over movie for sure.
01:16:48
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Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I will say for the movie, like I don't even think it's worth, like I don't think it was a good love story for a movie and I don't think it was a good, they I don't think they did the zombie thing really well. like So you missed on two marks for me. like you You aren't a great love romance movie, you aren't a great zombie movie, why am I watching this?
01:17:08
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like it really Nicholas hold that for me. Yeah. i closeho no i mean he's in he's in so many good He's even in Mad Max fury road love and I will say like legit the cast is great the acting isn't bad the movie itself just overall kind of.
01:17:25
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ah You know, the book, I didn't like the end. I feel like for a zombie story to just suddenly be like, they kissed and now there's no more zombies. Yeah, I hate that part. It really just, I was like, I was, I was very upset because like, zombie stories are so great. And when you can find a cure, that's awesome. But I don't want your sappy like, we found a cure. A true love's kiss.
01:17:52
Speaker
Like, is this Snow White? Like, what the hell? It's like the opposite of Romeo and Juliet, where? Yeah. that Like, I knew this was a Romeo and Juliet adaptation. And so I was kind of expecting them to die in the end. And i I did the opposite. Like, don't get me wrong. I didn't want them to die. But I had kind of set in my head that, like, OK, it's going to happen. But it's going to be romantic, because Romeo and Juliet. And then not only did they not die,
01:18:21
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But now True Love's Kiss saves the day. like a This is no longer Shakespeare. We're moving into fairy tales. Disney. yeah wait and i so Yeah. But other than that, the book was pretty freaking amazing. Yeah. Like I said, the ending made it not a five, made it a four. Lily deducted a whole star from me was that last bit for sure. Well, that's going to bring us to our question of the episode.
Final Verdicts and Engagement Invitation
01:18:50
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If you were a zombie and could say only one word to express yourself, what would it be? Carrie. Mine would be bitch. I did ah knew it. it. That was mine too. All the time just going bitch. And you could be like bitch. Bitch? Bitch? Bitch.
01:19:22
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That would be my word. That would be my word for sure. Crystal. I thought similarly on on the like one word that can be used to express a lot of different things. And I went with... Another solid one. Yeah. Okay. Solid. Solid. I can imagine my dad listening to this right now and being like, damn it, Crystal. I picked a backup because I knew Carrie was going to say bitch.
01:19:50
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So mine would be damn.
01:19:57
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yeah yeah um Damn. Damn. Damn. Or what if it's like, you could say like my word would be no, but then like. I thought about that too. And then someone says like, can you do something? No, but then like still go do it. Yeah. Right. Like you imagine the three of us together.
01:20:17
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So annoying. Lindsey would be like, damn. Carrie would be like, bitch. And I'd be like, fuck. We didn't even know exactly what we were talking about. Exactly. We have a whole conversation with those three words. We would have our own little table at the Starby's in the airport.
01:20:35
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but judging every other zombie as they walk by. Damn. My bitch. Fuck.
01:20:43
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Bitch. Fuck. I can imagine our next trailer when I record is just going to be those three words. That's it. Damn. Fuck. Bitch.
Discussion Wrap-Up
01:21:05
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Well, on that note, that about wraps up our warm bodies adventure. Thanks for joining us as we explore the sweeter side of the zombie apocalypse, where hearts beat, brains are occasionally on the menu, and love just might conquer the undead. We hope you had as much fun as we did shuffling through this quirky rom-com.
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01:21:31
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01:21:56
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