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19. Sensory Processing Differences
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In this episode of This Is Autism, host Kerrie Highcock sits down with experienced occupational therapist and MoodLifter founder Sarah Meharg to explore the world of sensory processing and why it matters for autistic people.
For more than 20 years, Sarah has supported individuals with their mental health and wellbeing, helping people understand how their sensory experiences shape the way they move through the world. Her work focuses on empowering people to recognise their sensory needs, build self-awareness, and develop strategies that support comfort, regulation, and confidence.
Together, Kerrie and Sarah unpack what sensory processing actually is—in simple, relatable terms and why it can look and feel different for autistic people. The conversation covers:
- What occupational therapists do and how they support sensory wellbeing
- A clear, accessible explanation of sensory processing
- Common sensory differences experienced by autistic people
- How individuals can better understand their own sensory profiles
- The value of recognising and honouring sensory needs
- What stimming is and why it plays an important role in self-regulation
- The benefits of stimming for emotional and physical wellbeing
Sarah also shares a thoughtful final message for listeners about embracing sensory differences with confidence.
This episode is a warm, practical, and an insightful guide for anyone wanting to deepen their understanding of sensory processing—whether you’re autistic, supporting someone who is, or simply interested in how our senses shape everyday life.
Follow Sarah on social @moodlifterpt and visit her website www.moodlifter.co.uk
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Introduction to Sarah Maharg and Sensory Processing
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It's just about understanding how your brain is processing the world. Very much my introception is Squiffy. I have to do lots of ah work around remembering to drink because I won't notice I'm thirsty because the dry mouth thing isn't strong enough sensation.
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Someone rocking is scrutinized. you know, what's the trigger? What's that person communicating? Actually, the person may be communicating with the world around them. They may be going, this feels nice, or this is visually making a change that's making it really interesting for me to be in the world.
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Stimming is kind of a really neuroaffirmative, but kind of really purposeful. thing that our body does. Hi, and welcome to This is Autism, the podcast from the Northeast Autism Society. My name is Kerry Highcock, and I'm the Family Development Manager at the charity.
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Today, I'm joined by Sarah Maharg, an experienced occupational therapist and founder of Moodlifter. Sarah has spent over 20 years supporting people's mental health and wellbeing, and she's passionate about helping individuals understand and embrace their sensory differences.
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In this episode we'll be exploring sensory processing, what it is, how it can differ for autistic people and why recognising and supporting these differences really really matters. We're also going to talk about stimming, self-regulation and how we can all become more sensory aware in our
Understanding Sensory Processing
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daily lives. So thank you Sarah so much for coming on to the podcast today.
00:01:41
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Thank you for inviting me on. It's great. So I guess just can you just tell us just to start, Sarah, a little bit about your role as an occupational therapist and what you do at Moodlifter.
00:01:53
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Yeah, so I think often because occupational therapists work in so many areas, when you say you're an occupational therapist, people will have this really this idea about what it's about based on, oh, I've had an OT that helped my son or my mum.
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And really, it's so varied because we support people with any meaningful or purposeful activity. You know, we're looking about how... people do life and how our environment resources and routines can really support that or get in the way.
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So in my own practice mood lifter, the main focus on that is working with neurodivergent adults and teens and really exploring about What's working for you? What doesn't work? What's your thinking style? And so often people have spent that their lives trying to do the strategies that everyone tells them works. And we we kind of go, let's put that in the bin and think about what you need. So that's most of my job is doing that one-to-one. And i also have a few different side projects and I've got one I'm very excited about at the moment. where I'm creating a reflective journal and training course for health professionals aimed at improving physical health outcomes for neurodivergent
Sensory Norms and Prediction Systems
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people. So that's in the pipeline.
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Well, that sounds very exciting. in That one sounds like a good project. Brilliant. So I guess one of the. One of the things, you know, I think we we talk about the word sensory all the time. I mean, I have a lot of and professionals sometimes that I work with and they say, oh, he's very sensory or she's very sensory. And it's kind of like, you know, what are we talking about when we say that? Because to me, it doesn't really make any sense because we're all sensory beings.
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I was literally about to say we are all sensory, you know, as humans. Sensory processing is about us taking in information from our environment and our bodies and interpreting that we live in sensory worlds.
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So in know in terms of how I think about sensory processing, and I think when people say, oh they're very sensory, what they're talking about are these big, overt, observable behaviours that maybe look a little bit different. So they're looking at someone that's maybe rocking or seeking sensation in a particular way. But for me, if we think about what sensory processing really is, it's about understanding
00:04:42
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the information around us and it's a prediction system prediction system our brains constantly trying to figure out what is this what do I do with it do I need to act on it so it's that precursor to learning is just being able to engage in the world around us and engage it in our bodies so that can create safety it can create discomfort Yeah, and I think you put that in a really lovely, simplistic way then, Sarah, but I guess sensory processing in itself is very, very complicated.
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i i always feel like a fraud when I'm invited on these because there are people out there that have masters and PhDs. um in what we call sensory integration therapy and i always say to people if you're looking at sensory processing please seek out someone that's got a really high level of training because there's so much i've kind of got the first couple of levels of that i've got my own lived experience i've got a pick and mix of things that courses i've done and things that have interested me and learning and listening from other people's lived experience but I think to simplify it down the main points that we need to kind of understand is that we register sensory input so we have to notice it so if a mosquito lands on my hand I will either see a little and black dark movement I might feel that against my skin
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You've then got to modulate it, which is like the volume style, which is how much of that input are you going to pay attention to. So your brain might filter it out and go, that's not important.
Challenges in Sensory Processing Labels
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But because it's something new a new sensation, it might go, oh, that's really important. Let's pay attention to that.
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And then you've got that discrimination, which is about the detail, which is knowing what you're seeing. So you're taking that information about the sense, that feel against your skin. You're taking what you're visually seeing and your brain's then going, aha, I can distinguish that from the rumble in your tummy. I can distinguish that, ah the feel of the breeze. I can distinguish that against the color of your skin.
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It's a mosquito. And then that enables you to then plan and move to control and do an action to control it, which obviously no one wants a mosquito on your skin. That action will probably be to swipe it away, blow it away. So it's all about building those different things together. And then there's lots of complex kind of neural exciting pathways that I get really geeky about.
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Well, that's great. Sometimes I think it is about simplifying things, you know, particularly, you know, I work with a lot of families and they don't need the big posh terminology, Sarah. They just need it exactly how you've just described it. So, you know, that really really resonates with me. and So I suppose, and I remember when you spoke at our conference and one of the things I took from that is that people have got an idea idea they've got this kind of idea what is the norm in terms of sensory processing, but actually what you were talking about is...
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when we kind of talk about hyper and hyposensitivity we're kind of then presuming that there's a normal way of interpreting sensory in input and that's the one thing that I really took from your talk and I thought actually you're completely right like we you know we do checklists with young people and things but we're doing that based all against a neurotypical kind of baseline aren't we I'm so pleased you took that from the conference because i was i was definitely at a point when we had that conference where this language that we use as professionals or even as kind of parents or people with lived experience, were we kind of, I was really grappling with it because I was like, why am I saying it's, hypo or hyper and just thinking about where we measure that against and it isn't about there being a right or wrong it's just about understanding how your brain is processing the world and recognizing that your experience
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is valid but it may be different from someone else's. And obviously when your the way you're operating is maybe different from the way a majority of people are operating, it then tends to get labelled with you're the one with the problem or the disability. Why do we need to make an accommodation? Or and while I was thinking about the prep for this podcast, I was just thinking really about how...
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so many people I see, including myself, we've had things phrased for us. We'll be told that we're anxious. We'll be told that we're sensitive. We might be told that we're insensitive. We might be told that we're hyperactive. And we might have particular ways of them thinking about those things and try resolving that by, oh I'm anxious, I will look at the stuff around anxiety management, which, ah Some of that's around graded exposure. um
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Actually, we know that autistic people don't get used to, they don't habituate to sensations, they don't modulate and zone them out in the same way a neurotypical person does because that sensory input continues to be new. The brain interprets it as new every time, so it doesn't get zoned out. So if I treated a sensory sensitivity in myself,
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as anxiety and I try to do a gradual exposure to it. At best, it doesn't do anything. At worst, it actually makes it worse because I'm exposing myself to more overwhelming situations. So it we need to have insight and language to be able to then work out what we need to feel say or work out, oh, what people say this thing I do is a little bit odd. Actually, I can be comfortable with it, you know, and have those kind of justifications and validation for ourselves and hopefully then get it from the world.
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No, and completely. You know, I think it leads into everything that butha kind of... like to talk about, I guess, around, you know, measuring everything against those neurotypical standards. You know, we run we run and parent and toddler groups, Sarah, and obviously one of the things in early years is around developmental norms and stages of development. But actually, you know, they're just based on the majority of neurotypical people, you know. Little Bob, who's 18 months old, who's, you know, stimming in the sands, then It's purposeful for him. It's got it's got meaning. You know, and it's about us, isn't it? Trying to work out what that what that meaning is for him. and If he can't at that age, obviously, because this is a very little person.
00:11:53
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And it's sometimes about celebrating how gorgeous that interaction with the environment is, you know, to be that engrossed in something. to... To know your sensory system that well that you've innately found a way of giving yourself regulation or the sensory input that you find enjoyable or regulating in some way, you know, that needs to be celebrated. um I've been doing a piece of work in eating disorders and a common thing I'm seeing is this idea around, oh, well, the person's keeping all their food separate or only eating one thing at a time.
00:12:32
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And I'm like, actually, what's the problem with that? And chances are it's demonstrating a real ingenuity because that person may have a sensory discrimination difference. So the visual thing that they're seeing, the thing that they're smelling isn't giving them the information of what it will feel like in their mouth, what it will taste like. So they've very just invented, you know, they've invented a way of getting their nutritional needs met and to manage that by going right to make this food predictable.
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I do need space between the food or I do need to keep it focused on one sensation. So I just think people are brilliant at being inventive with how they have workarounds for that what you're experiencing.
Importance of Individual Sensory Profiles
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yeah know and absolutely. and So you've you've kind of you've kind of touched on one of my other questions though, which is what were some of those differences for autistic people, Sarah, but I guess I'm a big believer in people understanding their own sensory profiles or their own sensory processes, whatever term we want, we their own sensory differences. and What do you think is the benefit of that? i mean, do you think it's beneficial for you to understand your own? I would imagine you do.
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course it's only time here you know there's a whole industry around out there about self-help and self-insight you know we know that knowing ourselves can be a real game changer and it also it'd be nice if we're in a position where it's not just about knowing ourselves that it's other people know and recognize that as well just coming back to some of those sensory processing differences often in the media we're still talking about it in terms of being sensitive to noise or to touch and yes we can
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we can maybe notice a lot of noise, notice a lot touch or maybe not get used to those things. But also we can maybe need more input to notice, or it may be that the signals from our internal cues aren't clear against the backdrop of all the other sensations that are going on.
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It's... I think people expect there to be one pattern and that it's consistent, but actually different things in different settings on different days are potentially going to be processed in different ways, depending on what our capacity is on that day. So I think it's so helpful in seeing it beyond, oh, I notice noise or I don't like this texture.
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to it being explanation as to why your you do have preferences or you you do interact in a certain way or you you don't find that thing that everyone says is calming, calming. The example I always give is people always say, oh, you really should do yoga. Yoga is so calming. I've got a...
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My balance system, if my head is tilted below my heart, it sends me into a very high energy state. That is never going to be a calming space for me. So if I go into this activity expecting it to be calming, I'm going to feel very different. If I go in going, in actually, that's a great activity to do if I need to increase my alertness. That's going to be a very different approach to how and when I use that activity.
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Yeah, it's it's interesting when you say that, because I think we almost have like a tick list of traditional strategies for things. So, for example, and when you were talking about yoga, i was working with a little boy who and they were trying to put in a sleep routine for him, a very traditional sleep routine, I will say. And um one of the calming mechanisms to implement was have a nice warm bath. But actually for him, it really overstimulated him. And then he was, you know, really, really overregulated when he was ready to actually go to bed. But, you know, I think society views a nice warm bath as relaxing because that's, you know, what we think of when we think of a bath. But actually for him, it was the complete opposite.
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And it just reminds me of the... i I used to do some deliver some training with an amazing academic and we'd often be talking about the general advice you're giving in mental health services, like go out for a walk. Now, for me, a walk is very regulating. For ah my co-trainer, they used to say,
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nature touches you without consent. You know, it wasn't something that would be calming or soothing for them. And it just, it really struck me that, that phrase, you know, so there is less control.
Exploring Interoception and Communication Challenges
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So we've really got to honor what the person's feeling or telling us because otherwise we end up in this compliance where people are shut down.
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Completely, Sarah, and I'm sorry because I'm going bouncing around our original questions, but that does lead me, you were talking briefly before without using the word, but around interoception, so understanding those internal body sensations and what that means, and just for kind of clarity for our listeners.
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And I think one of the things that I get quite frustrated about is when we have more traditional therapeutic programs where we go in and we say, how you feeling in today, Sarah? And we immediately respect expect a response. And then when the child cannot respond because they don't actually know, and they can be described as non-compliant or not engaging and with the service.
00:18:36
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Do you have an experience of that? Or I mean, that might just be one of my big frustrations Oh, no, I think it's so common working when you're a divergent people. Also, as a society, we're conditioned to say, how are you? And that's a pretty, it's pretty meaningless, those words. That could mean anything depending on the context you're in. But if we think about and that word interception, that knowing internally what your body is doing, and you, if,
00:19:09
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I always say my interception is squiffy. I know I say, oh, it's not a deficit, but I'm like, very much my interception is squiffy. I have to do lots of ah work around remembering to drink because I won't notice I'm thirsty because the dry mouth thing isn't strong enough sensation. But if we think about a traditional, ah what we call affect emotion, which is one of the emotions, are we happy? Are we sad?
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if To give the answer of I'm feeling anxious, i need to recognise that my heartbeat is faster. I need to recognise that my temperature has changed. I need to recognise that maybe my muscles feel a little bit tighter. i need to then recognise that cognitively how I'm thinking may be faster or changing in a different way. And you add all those signals up to then say, i am feeling So,
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so If we're not getting those signals in the way that's expected or they mean something else to us, and then we need the time to put that all together and find a language that matches, it's huge. And then you get, oh, the person's not engaging. And i'm like, we have not made our service or what we're doing accessible at all by doing that.
00:20:35
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ah You know, that question, ah you all care How do you feel? i actually, over the last, since I started to learn about interoception, make a real conscious effort to remove that from my vocab. So when I meet a young person for the first time and I might be doing a little session around, you know, their experience of school or whatever.
00:20:55
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before they come in I say do not because it's kind of inbuilt in me to go how are you doing but I go stop because as soon as I say that not only is it a demand but it's also such a complex question of my god what like you know and then you throw masking into there as well so that's kind of something I've um yeah taught taught myself not to do i also think because I still I don't want to say it but they're so often do When I do say it and I catch myself saying it, I think there's the connections and jokes and like moments I've had where gone, oh, I'm doing it again. And it can be really validating for a person for me to say out loud.
00:21:39
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you You don't get this question. So I apologize. Why am I even asking it of you? yeah Completely, completely so. and So we're going to just take a little break there, Sarah. and And when we come back, we're going to talk a little bit about stimming and sensory regulation. So we take a little moment and then our listeners will come back and listen a little bit more to us, I hope.
Understanding Stimming and Its Functions
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Hi, while we're on a quick break, thought I'd tell you a little bit more about the Family Development Service here at the North East Autism Society. The Family Development Services provides support for families pre, during and after diagnosis and includes a variety of services, including our parent and toddler groups, autism hubs, workshops for families, a dedicated enquiry line and our resource site as well, which can be found at the Family Resource site on the North East Autism Society website. So if you go to ne-as.org.uk and go along to the family development site, you can find all the information there.
00:22:40
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Hi everyone, welcome back to This Is Autism. We're here today with Sarah Maharg talking about sensory processing differences. So Sarah, let's talk about stimming, which I know is something that you love to talk about.
00:22:53
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And i I loved it when you did the conference, specifically all about stimming actually, when you did the session for us. and So I think just to start us off, what What is it? What are we talking about? So stimming, it's a word we'll have all heard.
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And it's kind of been reclaimed from clinical language. And it's short for self self-stimulatory behaviour. But basically, it' little all it's little moments of repetition that are helping us regulate our nervous system. So it can be...
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movements it can be vocalisations, we can even stim with thoughts around having some sort of thought that we're playing with and repeating. And it's really about being able to...
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and help either our attention levels or just interact with our bodies and the world around us. And it can be particularly useful at times of stress.
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So whether that, if you're autistic, maybe during a change or a transition of some sort, if we've been in a if we've been doing a very non-physically demanding activity like studying, maybe we need some movement to increase our arousal level maybe it's we're overstimulated and we're feeling very overwhelmed by things and it can be something predictable and soothing to bring us down so it's got a whole load of functions and kind of the research has been really lovely over the last few years because it's much more around that autistic experience of stimming So it's about and listening to that. So there's so much around. Actually, it can be an expression of joy. It can be done just because it feels good. There's a whole host of reasons that underpin it.
00:24:52
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And, you know, we're thinking and just thinking about some of the young people you've worked with. We're often things, someone rocking is scrutinized. You know, what's the trigger? Yeah.
00:25:05
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What's that person communicating? Actually, the person may be communicating with the world around them. They may be going, this feels nice, or this is visually making a change that's making it really interesting for me to be in the world. So it's not always something to suppress or to train away or to stop doing. And yet quite often, you know, one of my kind of neurotype profiles is ADHD, you know,
00:25:32
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you kind of get trained to sit still, you know, sit still, be quiet. So you kind of learn to suppress some of these movements that can potentially feel good. And it's not just for neurodivergent people. As humans, we all do elements of stimming. We all have movement and repetition for our It's just for autistic people, for ADHD, it's That might look different. That might be more overt in some ways. I think the example I gave during that conference was of playing rugby. You know, people meet their sensory needs, but I can't think of anything worse than going out and bashing bodies about and doing catching a ball and doing all those things. But people will do actions to regulate themselves. So stimming is kind of a really neuroplastic
00:26:31
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neuroaffirmative but kind of really purposeful thing that our body does yeah and again I think another thing i took from when you spoke Sarah was around um you know stimming is a um a human thing I guess to do for everyone but yet we pathologize it for autistic people you know, and remember you talk about stroking a cat, so the amount of people that sit stroking cats and find it really, you know, comforting or alerting or relaxing or whatever they're getting from it, predictable, you know, I mean, cats, dogs, they're all brilliant, aren't they? But very therapeutic. but
00:27:13
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But if you're an autistic person and you're doing that, immediately it's classed as stimming and a problem, perhaps, if that makes sense.
00:27:23
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It absolutely does make sense. And then if you're told the thing you're doing that feels nice is a problem, in terms of psychologically, that suppressing part of yourself, the implications around masking, hiding parts of yourself, not allowing yourself to regulate, all of that leading to you not feeling safe in your body, And it can be really hard to get in touch with what does feel good in terms of movement and stimming, because there could be so many layers of shame behind it that are quite subconscious, that it can be really tricky to unpick that.
Supporting Sensory Needs and Safe Alternatives
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So I think we can give ourselves permission to explore what feels
00:28:12
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uncomfortable what feels pleasant but I think also we've got to be really mindful of how many times as adults were maybe accidentally shutting down someone else's need because maybe it doesn't match our own and just really working out okay how how do I be responsible for my regulation whilst also recognizing that person's need is different and um i've been quite a lot recently i've been getting a lot of work with people saying oh it'd be great if this person could be quieter could vocalize less and i'm like okay let's talk about how you manage the stress of that person vocalizing and
00:29:02
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being noisy what's that like for you what's the impact okay how do you look after your stress levels because the person that was vocalising was having a lovely time regulating and being in touch with the world and enjoying the vibration. So I'm seeing more, I'm still seeing a lot of ah people just struggling and wanting to be supportive and wanting to be loving, but having their own overwhelm. So it's like, okay, what stims you need? What regulation do you need for that?
00:29:35
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Yeah. I mean, would you, um I don't, apologies, Sarah, if this this is the wrong language to use now, but harmful stims, you know, are are the things that you would, because because obviously I work with a lot of families where the young person or the child is engaged in stimming behaviour that's actually, you know, dangerous, harmful for them. And at that point, obviously, we've we've got a support around that. Is that something that you could tell us a bit more about? Absolutely.
00:30:02
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Absolutely. And I think there's a few there's a few different elements to it. The first is well the kind of experience-led research that's out there is saying, while stimming can be amazing, it can sometimes be hard to stop because of attention. So sometimes a person might go, I like this, but I need support in moving away from it. So something that's done maybe to increase...
00:30:30
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increase the sensation has gone into overwhelm. So being in tune with that might be really helpful. Something that someone's doing too calm might mean that they're now not able to initiate and think straight because they've gone from calm into not being able to pull. So there's those elements to think about around, okay, what are what are our support needs around it? The other is kind of thinking through heartache
00:31:01
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harm and how we reduce harm so so me i have a habit you can tell getting to a certain age and this is definitely over disclosing have little hairy chin and it is quite it doesn't feel anything but i'm in the little habit of plucking them now to me that doesn't feel like harm and it's quite societally accepted to be plucking facial hair so there's a threshold there of It doesn't do any harm and psychologically there's no harm. I don't feel any shame around it. and But when we've got someone who's getting maybe
00:31:38
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and really distressed, really strong pain, experiencing really strong pain signals, to me, I think we've got to go in with a really a real curiousness of what needs is that meeting because we know that self-harm in whatever form is usually trying to meet an unmet need. So it may be that some of the signals that that person's experiencing in their body are confusing, are overwhelming.
00:32:08
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It may be the person's communicating that they need predictability. So we do need to kind of go in with that curiosity and look at really sensitive ways we can reduce the harm around it or to explore alternatives that might meet some of the sensations sensory needs without then linking that to pain and harm and thinking about what those opportunities are so often for particularly at for people that have seen that head bang or hit their head often the the way that we're experiencing our eyes and ears working together might be quite overwhelming and it might be
00:32:52
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that certain opportunities for rotation or movement might be really serving for that person to help reduce that calm down. No, that's really, really helpful, Sarah. I just thought it was important just to just to kind of t touch on that. and So I have a final question.
00:33:11
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We only get started with seven questions, but because we went off on little tangents, which is is what people will know if they listen to this podcast with me regularly. So and I guess just if you could give our listeners, and and you know we the podcast listened to by parents, professionals, autistic people... and If you could give them one final message relating to sensory processing and understanding sensory differences, what would it be? And I don't know that's hard because there's probably lots of messages. I was about to say, oh, you're making a challenge making it in one.
00:33:45
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You know, i was talking earlier about having the language for it matters. There's some really geeky stuff that go into around. Most languages, as they develop, don't really have a word to blow.
00:33:58
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for a very long time. Blue comes about much later and we don't tend to see blue until we start to categorise and put a label to it. The reason giving that metaphor is really about thinking about the language and being curious about what's going on internally is really important because we can then give a framework for a person understanding themselves, a person being able to self-advocate and understand for themselves. and
00:34:31
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i've Through the whole of today, I've probably not used the word sensory preference because I don't see it as a preference. We're often talking about needs.
00:34:42
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Yes, we might have things we like or dislike or we like a little bit more, but this is about needs. So what we need to do is be curious. We need to be curious about ourselves and we need to be curious about other people's experiences so we can then have the language to understand that.
Conclusion and Contact Information
00:35:02
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Brilliant. Thank you so much, Sarah, for joining us today on our podcast. It's been an absolute pleasure and I'm sure we'll hear from you again very, very soon. yeahp And to all our listeners, thank you so much. If you've got any questions or comments about anything you've heard, please get in touch at info at ne-as.org.uk. You can also follow the Northeast Autism Society on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or LinkedIn.
00:35:27
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