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Speaker: Hello, hello, and welcome back to another episode of Where's Your Humanity. I'm your host, Gail Fraser, and i am super excited to be joined today by Erin Pasch. Erin is a therapist turned serial entrepreneur, author, and professional starter of things. After founding Ellie Mental Health and growing it from one Minnesota clinic into a national brand with over 270 locations, she launched Pash Company, a venture studio where she builds businesses across mental health, tech, consumer products, real estate, and cannabis. Her first book, Everybody Sucks Sometimes, is coming out this December, December 2026, about tackling the hard stuff with humor, honesty, and healthy rejection of pretending we all have it together.
Speaker: And when she's not building companies or trying to change broken systems, Erin is traveling, creating, and navigating the beautiful chaos of a big blended family. Welcome to the pod, Erin.
Speaker: Thanks for having me, Gail. I'm excited to be here. I am so excited to have you. i always like to start with the same question. Tell us a little bit more about the Aaron behind the scenes. I just gave your professional bio, but tell us a little bit more about you.
Speaker: Yeah, well, the best part about me is that I'm the same person in every in every in every like realm that I that i exist in And I actually, i used to think that that was a weakness of mine, that I couldn't like turn parts of me off to turn parts of me on um in different environments. And I've had to find a way as an adult professional with ADHD and just a lot of chaos in my life to find a way to embrace all of it. And now I i really do own it as like a superpower. um Lots of therapy, lots of good self-reflection, incredible community of friends have kind of helped me land in this space where i would say my confidence is genuinely authentic now. where maybe 10 years ago, it was, who am I? Who is Erin? And so all of those people you named or all of those things you touched on is how I show up to everything I do, I think.
Speaker: I love that. And that's the beauty, I think, of us with ADHD, too, of like... having such a hard time disconnecting from all the different passions we have. And I love how you have just embraced that in such a big way. you started as a therapist. Tell us a little bit more about your story, starting as a therapist, starting LA Mental Health, and how that evolved into what now is Pash Company and launching your book this year.
Speaker: Yeah. So that's a super fun story. So I was like everybody else. I graduated from college. I went to grow every other therapist, I should say, went to grad school, was working actually for the county government and um in just kind of a regular job. I was excited. Both of my parents had worked for the government and they're like, yeah, you get government pension. We're so proud of you, Erin. And then I was like, hey, I want to quit and start my own business. And they're like, you should not do that. You're going to miss out on that government pension. And it was nerve-wracking and scary. But ultimately, I've always been fascinated. um It's funny because if you know me, you know that I hate doing physical puzzles, but I love brain puzzles. I love problem solving. And I really, like i hate to sound a little crass, but but I'm motivated by efficiency. I just cannot, like inside my brain and body, I cannot understand why we would not do something the best it could possibly be done.
Speaker: And um it took a long time for me to figure that out. But um when I was working for the county, I would choose to sit on all these extra committees or try and understand like, how come we how come the answer was yes here, but no here?
Speaker: And so as I started learning and doing a deep dive, I started seeing some clients in private practice in the private sector. And I really started to see the forest with the trees of the behavioral health care system.
Speaker: ah From the payer relationships, the providers and what therapists needed, all the way down to what barriers limit clients from feeling like they can access care. And so i had this crazy idea that I was going to start my own clinic practice where I was going to try and problem solve some of these things. So that's what I did. i started LE in St. Paul, Minnesota with one location with my business partner and my best friend. We're the only three clinicians there within six months with landlord approval. We were sledgehammering through the wall to turn it into like 11 offices. We added our first satellite location and our our particular blend of how we were problem solving access and care and behavioral health just really resonated with the community because i like to believe that again, it's that like an insatiable community need to do things as best as they possibly could be done. And so i think other people really realized and believe that. And then fast forward a couple of years, we expanded our footprint in Minnesota and then other people in other places also wanted Ellie's. I was at a critical point of, you know, like I like have I'm risk tolerant, but I'm really like assessing risk. Like I'm the daughter of a lawyer turned to judge. So like really paying attention to what are the risks. And so We decided to grow that business via the franchise model. And the idea was, let's find really passionate and thoughtful therapist leaders who really need a great business partner who is also thoughtful and passionate about bringing mental health care to their community. And so we expanded the LE model, um,
Speaker: it to over 270 locations across the country. I did that for about, I mean, I was the CEO of my business for about 10 years and then realized that all of the creativity that I have in here was going to explode out of my brain.
Speaker: Um, and so it was decided that I would leave and, um, born was patch company. Now, before I even left, I already had a rough draft from my book written. I was just finishing up my doctorate in business. I had started kind of like, I had my own podcast that, um, I might revive someday. Maybe not. in I don't know. Maybe not a great podcast host, but I love being on podcasts. Um,
Speaker: um And so I could really feel like I was just itching to do some more creative things. um And yet it was still kind of proving to myself that I could still do that business. you know um And so it was ah it was a critical juncture in my life where I had to like do some of my own like self-evaluation and like do some of my own values-based exercise to determine like what is the next step for me. And so Pash Company was born.
Speaker: um I hate businesses that use people's names as like the thing because it makes me feel like they're full of themselves. However, when you have a venture studio or like a parent company, like what else do you name it? So our company is Pash Company, but it stands for People Advancing Social Health.
Speaker: um And so it's really an acronym for what we stand for. And it just happens to be my last name. Yeah. And I started this with this idea that I have so many great ideas for how we can get people to connect. And i would love to be able to ah get to think creatively until those brain babies become maybe like teenagers. And so I started what's called like a venture studio, which really is a fancy word for instead of taking anybody else's money, I am self-funding my own ideas with a team.
Speaker: And ah so far we've opened up cannabis dispensaries, very women-centric cannabis dispensaries. have three of those here We've launched an app that really um gives people the dopamine hit to meeting in person, which is called Talk to My Face. And it's like super fun. um We have launched an app to help couples in their relationship called Caveman to Casanova.
Speaker: We have Jolly Wrappers, which is a direct fulfillment wrapping business where you and all of your friends can go and rent our studio and get like, I hate that as a chore. So people can kind of come together and make it less of a chore and more fun. That actually opens on Tuesday of next week.
Speaker: So there's just a lot of things that are kind of all culminating and coming to a head. And it's really fun and exciting because I need to be doing a million things. I can resonate with that as a fellow ADHD-er. I love something that you hit on in there. i don't know if you know this about me, Erin, but my job in my business, Work Simple, is systems and efficiency for creatives. Love it. hearing your story of like, how can we do this better? And how can we keep taking these aspects of mental health, social health, community building, and keep iterating on it and keep making it better? I'm curious to hear, I know you have your book coming out, Everybody Sucks Sometimes. How does that slot in for you? And what are you most excited for people to hear when they're reading that book?
Speaker: Yeah. So let me give you a little background on the book. So i was a therapist seeing couples, mostly couples, high conflict families, definitely some individuals, especially, you know, like ADHD, teenagers, women, high achieving women, all that kind of stuff. Like I very much have a niche.
Speaker: Um, And what I learned being a therapist is that you go to graduate school to learn evidence-based practice. There's these amazing theorists and therapists who have come before me and they teach you these really cool interventions. And then when you're there on the fly, you kind of come up with what I call practice-based evidence, where it's like, hey, I practice this and it works. So we're going to keep doing it. So my book really came out of 15 years of seeing clients and doing direct client care, and finding that there were specific things that really resonated with people and really made a difference for people.
Speaker: And people would come back to me often years later after graduating therapy, and they'd be like, I just need like an Aaronism. I need like one of your metaphors. I need like you to help remind me of these skills and things that I had. So Everybody Sucks Sometimes really came out of my clinical work and realizing like what were the themes over my 15 years of doing clinical care that I felt like really made the biggest difference in people's lives. And ultimately what it came down to, i mean, there's 15 chapters and I could probably go another 30.
Speaker: But what it comes down to is this philosophy of learning how to be educated on yourself, learning how to regulate your feelings, learning how to get motivated, and then learning how to apply it to your situations. And so my book is broken down into four parts, Educate,
Speaker: regulate, motivate, situate. And so that also to me is kind of what you do in therapy. So I'm like walking people down this path of like, let's educate you on your brain and body connection. Let's teach you about your feelings so you can learn how to regulate them. Let's find that like intrinsic drive for why you even want to make change because self-awareness is only like the first part of the battle. And then how can we apply some of this stuff to your situations?
Speaker: And so that is the book. It's super, I broke it down in a way that is really like easy to to read and understand. I think I like to be the therapist that I would have wanted. And I wrote the book the way I would have wanted to read it. So people could read it from cover to cover and get tons of great information. People could thumb through it. Um, and just go to a chapter and be like, oh man, I'm stressed out about money. Let's go to the money chapter. And so it really does, um, a nice job of capturing if, if you would have been one of my therapy clients, this is, you know, maybe 15 years of my work put into, you know, 200 some pages.
Speaker: You mentioned earlier on in this episode of kind of coming into your own confidence and showing up as the same Aaron across all facets of your life and all of your different businesses. And so for someone reading this book, what the things that they might notice their day-to-day life, in their own communities, with their relationships? What are some of the things that you're hoping someone might glean from that as they thumb through your book? Yeah.
Speaker: Okay, so this is an embarrassing thing for me. ah like I try not to get embarrassed anyways. I don't know what it would take for me to really get embarrassed, but I loved the movie Van Wilder. It is a terrible movie, and it's like like the worst of Ryan Reynolds in like American culture. But there was a quote in there that has stuck with me since I was probably 17 years old, and it was like, never take life too seriously. You'll never come out alive. And that, like, you know, like I, all these different news publications and everything will be like, what's one quote you live by? I'm like, well, Van Wilder. And I think, I think that my book and my philosophy to everything, it's not that there aren't serious things. It's that I think if people took some of the small things that happen in their day to day and really were to like put them on a wall and to try and ask themselves, is this really that serious? you know, could I, could I take this in a different direction?
Speaker: um Would things be better? And what I mean by that, so it's not so elusive is for example, so many people let one thing ruin their day, you know, like one thing and they just get stuck and they get trapped. And so what my book does is really helps you accept like you're going to get stuck and trapped a hundred times in a day. Are you really going to let that be the thing that ruins your life? And it's like, it's, it's very like opposite of you know maybe like a let them theory where it's just radical acceptance. This is more of like, you get a choice. you know And what i I love self-deprecating humor. And so I use a lot of that where it's like, everybody sucks sometimes.
Speaker: Like you, me, everybody. So how can we take what we can get and then do what we can with the rest? Like this idea of being good enough. you know Where do we want to put maximum effort into? Where do we not want to? i spend a lot of time talking with people through like what are your actual core values? Because if you're getting yourself like all dysregulated for things that you might not even care about, like what are you doing? So you get like a realistic framework for like, here's my top three values. And if somebody does something at the office that you know pisses you off, but it doesn't trigger integrity, family, or travel, Yeah. or find a different way to cope with it. I also think that I just put it in a way that is not therapy. Some of it has to be. um But I think in this day and age, there's a lot of therapy speak that gets misappropriated. There's a lot of people who think they know what they're doing and they don't. Or there's a lot of people just need to feel it in their own way. And one of the ways that I feel like I was able to kind of become a really good therapist was instead of using the language I would use, I would use the language of the people sitting in front of me.
Speaker: Because you never know, like if you use their own language, like that's how they're thinking in their brain. That's how they're creating their mental pictures of what's going on. If they're using mine, that might not be what gets triggered when they need to remember it later. And so um that's that's really how i how i wrote the book and what I want people to get from it. I do think it's really funny because i just can't, I'd be like, who wants another dry therapy anything? Yeah.
Speaker: so fair so i I also have like my own little social media notification boxes in the book. um So I apply some of it to how social media and things in your digital life impact some of the way that we're like thinking and feeling and helping people be aware of that. I also go on tangents and little boxes that are called Aaron Out Loud. And where we talk about just things that people like everyone's thinking.
Speaker: You know, so I go there. i go to the thing that everybody's thinking that nobody wants to talk about. and then at the end of every chapter, We talk about like, if you remember it, like it's literally called, if you remember nothing else, remember this.
Speaker: And it's like literally bullet points of, you know, like, so if you need a quickly thumb through and just be like, oh I'm struggling in this area of my life, you could just go to that back box and it would like, ideally it brings back all the things you read about or learned about, or maybe even learned in therapy or from other friends that like are quick hits so that you can kind of get back in that headspace of being a little bit more regulated.
Speaker: hearing that from you, especially as someone who has ADHD of like, you definitely have in those little call outs. And I think especially with this younger generation, but all of us who are very online, all of our attention spans are a little bit shorter. And i appreciate that you're taking that into account when you're writing your book of like, this is how people are going to be interacting with these situations in their life. It's not necessarily linear.
Speaker: Exactly. And i mean, like I said, I wrote the book how I would want to read it. And I think that when people are in crisis and they call for a therapist, there are like hundreds of tools people could turn to, especially in this digital age of the internet and AI and all of those things. And it's hard to snuff out what's real and what's helpful and what's not. And I'm actually a firm believer of like anything that's not bad for you, that's helpful or bad for somebody else means it's helpful. And And you just have to be able to you know identify when it becomes unhelpful. And you know i think that in our toolkit of the toolkit of making us feel better needs to have lots of opportunities. And so, yeah, i wrote I wrote the book based on how I thought I would need it. And really, to your point, with so many people who are in this like chaos space of ADHD and low attention, um I'm not going to sit and read a self-help book cover to cover that doesn't have humor and like little niches and other things to think about or, or, you know, where I have to like really be focused to get the content. Are you? No.
Speaker: So like, I think we just have to like call it like it is like self-help books, if that's what we're going to call this, like they can be like kind of cringy and hard to get through. And i am not going to write a hard to get through cringy book.
Speaker: I'm a big audiobook listener because I have to be doing something else at the same time. i make the joke that I'm a bad reader because I'm like, I just get too distracted. so your book sounds like perfect for my brain. You know, what's really funny is for I know this is bad, but for about 10 years, I didn't read a book for leisure. It was like I went from the Hunger Games and then like when I was like nursing my kids to like working and doing so much. And then when I finally left Ellie and I got like that mental break, I read about 20 books. like Most of them are like romanticcy or fantasy type books. Cause let's be honest, I need anything that I read. i need any visual to be something that can't happen in real life because my anxiety and what I've learned in therapy is way worse than any murder mystery. Yeah.
Speaker: Novel out there and things like that. But one of the things that i learned is that I get really distracted too. And so I was, I happened to be down in Florida when I was having this kind of like sabbatical for six weeks. And I i taught myself how to listen to the ocean waves. And so now I put in my AirPods and i am like one of those weirdos who listens to ocean sounds like on an airplane, like on an eight hour flight, I read a book cover to cover and I wasn't distracted by anything that was going on because I was listening to the ocean.
Speaker: So ADHD hack, I never thought I'd be able to like read books again because I couldn't focus. And that's my version of white noise. I love that. ADHD hack is Kindle increasing the font size. I have like perfectly fine vision, but I'm like very hypermobile and that's very common comorbidity with ADHD. But because we're so distractible, like our eyes can have trouble tracking the lines. And so having fewer lines per page, I can go through a book so much faster on my Kindle with like a big font size just because there are fewer lines per page than I can in like a paper book.
Speaker: Wait, are we talking, are we going to shift this entire podcast about how we are AUADHC, HEDS, and um auto, or like POTS? Maybe. Do you want to talk about that? I'm happy to talk about that. I just got diagnosed earlier this year with hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome.
Speaker: And I also have pots, which is like, I've always been like dizzy when I stand up and stuff. And it's been my entire life. Like my entire life. I've, I've always like, I was like, Oh, cool. Look at I'm, I'm 30 years old and I can put my legs over my head. yeah party trick But yeah, I mean, it is this weird group of us people where there's these serious overlap. of these three particular, I think there's like a fourth one too. I can't remember what it is. I don't know. and Yeah. Mass cell activation. Yeah. Yeah. yeah That's right.
Speaker: um But yeah, it's been great like my, my algorithm, my for you pages, like all of those same things. Like it lists things. last That's how I found out that I was hypermobile. I had like a history of undiagnosed,
Speaker: ah medical mystery chronic pain from like age 19. And they were like, we don't know what this is And then TikTok knew what it was. TikTok knew what it was. So I screenshotted one of those last night because my husband is like, you know, he tries to keep up with all of it, but it's, he struggles. And I read this out loud to him. I said, signs of hypermobility, nobody connects to your joints. Achy neck, shoulders, an upper back that won't quit. Always too hot or too cold. Pelvic floor issues. Joints that crack, click, or pop.
Speaker: Jaw pain or a jaw that slips. Frequent headaches or migraines. Light sounds or textures feel too much. Reflux and gut trouble. ah Bruising from barely bumping something. Lightheaded or racing heart when you stand up. Unexplained flushing hives or allergic reactions. And he looks at me and he goes, that's you every day.
Speaker: it Yeah. Isn't it disrespectful too? Because it's like everything that could be wrong is. Here you go. Yes. And yet here we are, like still high achieving and doing all the things. And I think i think another point in my career, at at some point I will maybe be a little bit more open about some of my health struggles. I was really sick as a kid. I had no autoimmune issues or anything before that. And I mean, I had meningitis, which is something that like kills a lot of people. And I came out of that with three pretty intense autoimmune disorders. And then all of this kind of stuff has happened. And ah you know part of my mindset, it's not like this toxic positivity, but it's like, if I don't take accountability, like both have compassion for myself, but also take accountability, i am going to always find myself being hurt or frustrated. And so really, again, it just goes back to my book and like why I do all of these things in my brain. i am like a 19 year old. I can do anything person um with maybe the sleep schedule of a 90 year old. I don't know. I go to bed early and I wake up at like 4 a.m. m But i throughout my life, you know, nobody who sees me unless you really know me would know that I struggle with these intense things like nobody.
Speaker: And I think that's just part of the the ethos I bring to life and brought to my therapy practice and bring to my business and and bring to my book, which is having intense compassion for yourself or other people, but matching that compassion with accountability. Like if I listened to my body and only had compassion for what I was going through, I would never get out of bed.
Speaker: Yeah. And so I hold myself accountable to the things that my brain wants and my family wants and other things that I push myself to do. and And in that, I mean, truly, like my mental health is far from perfect, like very far from perfect. And at the same time, perfection is not the goal.
Speaker: So perfect for me is that I can get out of bed every day and do nine out of the 10 things I set myself up to do and also have a little bit of grace so that when I do have to cancel something because body's just not going to work for me that day, it's owning my story with confidence. And, you know, so many people will tell a white lie for why they have to get out of something. And I believe in telling a white truth.
Speaker: like tell them the real reason and like be that bold and like put it, put, put but like, when I say white truth, I'm like, there's white space of things that people need to talk about. And so if you're like, I had to cancel something last week because I i was so distressed by something going on in my personal life. And I, my, my ADHD was just like, I could not focus and I am medicated and I practice meditation and I had enough sleep the night before. and so I want people to just like,
Speaker: Be real, like just own it and call it. And sometimes you're going to have to miss stuff because other stuff's going on or you're, you have the best intentions of like, I really do want to do that. And my body is saying you need to put your legs up because your feet are like this big.
Speaker: I've been having this conversation so frequently lately. More and more, I've been noticing people are like, they kind of disappear into the background or like, oh, I can't, I can't do this. or And then I find out months later that they're like, I had this huge family thing going on or my mental health was really bad or x y and Z thing.
Speaker: And I'm like, well, what are friends for? If you're not like, i exactly want to know, even i say this all the time with friends of mine of like because of my body i know I'm going to be too tired to go to that thing but I'm like I just say that yes here's the situation because as your friend I don't want you to feel like there's no real reason why I'm canceling on you exactly and and it gives them the opportunity to feel empathy and feel like oh that's why
Speaker: Yeah, or problem solve. Or like, let's be efficient. We want to get together, but like, let's problem solve the best outcome for this situation. Right? Like, it's the same in everywhere where it's like, like when you're not feeling good or when you're tired, it's not that you don't want to see your friends. You're like, hey, can we pivot to this being a fun night out to try a new restaurant to like, let's just chill in jammies at our house. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Right. And so I think, I think, you know, again, like lies in relationships just create distance. We have to like really good relationships or even not really good relationships. Like if we're, who who are we, who are we really lying to? Who are we really kidding? and faking when we have to like put lies out into the universe. And I can understand why people do it. Like path of least resistance is real. And I think there are certain people you can lie to, right? Like people who who are obligatory in your life that you don't want to have the energy for. i think we- And I think family can fall into that category. I think notoriously your in-laws can and stuff like that. Like you don't owe everybody an explanation, but the people you have a quality relationship with, I think you do. I think that is what connection is. I think that is what authenticity is and friendship is. And I, like you, like I have the, I have a group of the best friends. And I think that even in the group of this best friends, and I have a couple of pods of them, you know, um
Speaker: I mean, my old podcast was called Platonic Lovers because I was like, I just have these people who mean like almost as much to me as my significant other and my children and my family because of how they show up for me. But um in this day and age, everybody knows how busy it is. And it's like, we're we're trying not to overburden or burn out the people in our life. And I'm like, the people who really love you, like want to be burdened and burned out. I know I do.
Speaker: Yeah. and I want to be the first call when you're crisis. think that's huge Midwestern culture, too. like We're both based in Minnesota. And i think it's becoming more broad, but definitely here of like, I don't want to overstep. I don't want to impose. There's a lot of like passive aggression based politeness.
Speaker: Yeah. And I'm like, I want to be burdened. I have one friend and she's the person who like reaches out when they need something. Which is amazing. That shouldn't be like so rare that I'm like, this is one of my favorite qualities about her is that when she needs something, she will ask.
Speaker: And I'm like, that should not be a rare thing in a friendship. like No. But it's becoming very rare in so many, especially like I'm like elder Gen Z. i think we're losing that.
Speaker: ability to be like, Hey, I need something or i want to celebrate and be celebrated regardless of all this other stuff going on. And I'm asking for it.
Speaker: I agree. i think, I think people do struggle when I think about how I grew up as a kid and I am, I am like a smack dab middle millennial. So growing up in the nineties, essentially late eighties, nineties, early two thousands, I, my mom was in a car accident when we were kids and without fail, um, this other family picked us up. I didn't think like, I, I literally like that could have been a moment of like severe trauma as a child of like, what do you mean? My mom got in a car accident. said Is she okay? Is she not okay? And I was like blissfully unaware as a child because the community just stepped in. She ended up being fine, but she still to go to the hospital and get checked out. And she was unable to pick us up from school. And, um, I think people are craving the opportunity to show up for other people, but they're they're also not wanting to be a burden. And when I try and remind people, I'm like, you don't want to ask for help, but you want to give it. So remember that most people in your life want to give you the help.
Speaker: Yep. You know, so why don't you like I like reverse psychology them and I'm like, why don't you make it about them? Like they're just like they really need to help somebody right now. So I guess I'll ask. I guess I'll ask them because I know it would like really fill their bucket.
Speaker: i like that. and think that that's a real takeaway for people listening. You're giving them an opportunity to be a good person, to feel really good about their relationship with you being so helpful.
Speaker: Yes, exactly. like make it like Anything you do, if you make it about the person, like it's pretty it's pretty much a slam dunk. You can get them to do it. And that's not because people are innately selfish. It's just because of how our brains are wired. We are we are wired for self-preservation. And so we we look at self-preservation first, our basic survival. Then we look at how is it going to make us feel. And then we look at rational capacity. like That is just how the brain works.
Speaker: And so um again, one of the things in my book, so bring that full circle, love a full circle moment. um is most of the themes in my book bring it back to how can you have your cake and eat it too?
Speaker: you know, because there are win-wins. You just have to be willing to acknowledge like, and, and like be self-aware enough to know that this is, this is what can make you feel better. And um I'm, I'm like on a big soapbox lately, especially about connection and and letting it look different. And, and me as somebody who could always feel like crap all the time and who sometimes has to cancel the plans, I've, I also equally, if not more, force myself to go.
Speaker: right And so I think there's also this like journey of like so many people are on this independent self-preservation journey where they're like they are over-empowered to maybe cancel plans or do whatever. And that is driving the worsening mental health and the anxiety and depression because we need other people.
Speaker: We need other people to feel good. And so if there's one other takeaway i would give people is force yourself to do the social thing. Cancel the workout. you know like Don't do the leisure activity that does it that's alone, the facial, the whatever. though like Take a hokey day from work. I don't care. But don't cancel the opportunity in your week to have meaningful connection with somebody who you care about because that is the single greatest thing any person can do to try and make themselves feel better.
Speaker: Absolutely. Yes, absolutely that. And I think calls back to something that you talked about already of like maybe change what the plan is if there's a plan and you don't feel like that's in your wheelhouse right now.
Speaker: I'm like, I'd still love to see you. Can we just hang out at home and watch? Yes. I have a friend. i go over to her house. I bring my knitting. We just sit and watch TV together and chat.
Speaker: I love it. And like the way that that's so easy because... It doesn't take any effort. And it's like, that's what I was going to do at home. I'm a big TV gal. Like, that's what I was going to do at home anyway.
Speaker: Yeah, I get it. Do it with a friend. Yes. And like, again, another metaphor, because that's what I come up with. Like everything in life, everything that you can press the easy button for you should. There's so many hard things that we're going to to deal with, like impossibly hard things, things where you're like, what on earth could I have possibly deserve or done to have deserved any of this? So when you can make something easy, when you can change your mood, change a habit, change ah a plan, And just like press an easy button to make it happen. Like leverage every opportunity to do that, um especially with your friends. Friends are friends, even family, like just be able to to show up and be able to call for what you need in a very mutually interdependent way um so that both people are getting their needs met and being Sometimes it is more self-serving to do the thing that is uncomfortable that you think is for the other person. And so I just want to challenge people to remember to do that, too.
Speaker: Calling back to our physical health, too. I notice that when I show up to something, even if I'm in pain, even if I'm struggling, My mental health improves so much by going to that thing that I probably come home feeling physically better than I did going into the thing.
Speaker: Yes, 100%. It is a game changer, especially for us like chronically achy gals to just kind of, you know, and there's a difference between pushing yourself by like lifting heavy weights all the time and like pushing yourself to just expunge the energy the physical energy. um you know, like I like to believe energy is constant. So even if it takes more physical energy than you want to put in there, it's the emotional and social energy you get back, it like refuels my whole fire.
Speaker: Yes, absolutely. well thank you so much for being here, Erin, and dropping all of your wisdom. Where can people find you, learn about all of the many things that you are doing with Pash Company and your book?
Speaker: Yes. So I'm new to TikTok because I learned I have to have it. So on TikTok, it's Erin Out Loud. um On Instagram, I'm at Erin Kelly Pash. And then you can learn a lot about me um going to erinpash.com or pashcompany.com where you can learn about all of our businesses and see how any of our the things we got going on resonate with you. And erinpash.com is where you can buy my book.
Speaker: Amazing. i will include all of those links in the show notes. And thank you again, Erin, for being here. It's been so nice to chat with you. You too, Gail. Thanks for having me. Thank you so much for listening. You can find this episode and more wherever you listen to podcasts. And you can follow us on Instagram at whereisyourhumanitypod.
Speaker: Our lovely theme music is created by Emily Bjorki, and you can listen to her new album, Are You Going to Heaven or Hell, out now. For more information about me, Gail, and the work that I do you can go to worksimple.io, my website,
Speaker: or you can follow me on all the platforms, Instagram, TikTok, threads, also at worksimple.io. See you next time.
