Albert's vision is that in the next 20 years, there will be no need for Mardi Gras. Why? Because for him, that will signal that we have reached a point of true equality where everyone can just be who they are. Find out more about his sometimes controversial vision and his advice for organisations to take baby steps to create safe and empathetic spaces so everyone can be their authentic selves.

Why I hope there's no Mardi Gras in 20 years time: Albert Kruger, CEO Mardi Gras

Empathy Talks is a podcast about life’s most important soft skill: empathy.

In each episode, we talk to a well-known business leader to find out what empathetic leadership really looks like. We unpack why empathy is so important, and learn why having it in life and business is more important than ever. We also deep-dive into those tough leadership moments where you need to lead with empathy to get it right.

Empathy Talks is a podcast from Circle In, the digital platform that supports working parents and caregivers and helps to build workplaces that care.  To learn more about Circle In, visit www.circlein.com or follow us on LinkedIn @Circle In.