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Manchester Derby Crossover
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Episode 58, Daily Manchester City -
Jools and Keelin prepare for battle and welcome the guys from the Daily Man United team. We discuss all things Manchester derby, the current state of both clubs, combined XIs, favourite derby goals and more
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Introduction: Manchester Derby Crossover
00:00:01
Speaker
every club every day the global sports podcast network hello welcome back to the daily manchester city podcast on the global sports podcast network today we have an incredibly special episode to bring you it's not just the pinnacle of the week with a crossover thursday but it's gspn's first manchester derby crossover episode so we are also delighted to welcome into the fray from number daily manchester united team matt hi matt hi how you doing you all right and Daniel, hi Daniel. Hi, how are you?
Historical Significance of the Derby
00:00:34
Speaker
And of course I couldn't let myself be outnumbered on a home crossover so we are also joined by the hopefully amped up Keelan McNamara. Hi Keelan. I've been more amped up to be completely honest and I'm not feeling great coming into this but we are where we are and I'm happy to be here.
00:00:50
Speaker
Great and this match never needs hyping the country as a whole and the wonderful part of the northwest that both clubs reside in entirely understand the significance of this game 194 Manchester Darby's have come before us over the years with United having won 17 more of those games to this point including remaining undefeated in the first 10 between the two in the Premier League before Sean the goat gotas heroics in the last derby at main road Bagan is 100 for City in the process, how to get that one in, what a legend. Bonus points for anyone, for any of the other goal scorers in the 3-1 win for City that day. Matt, you definitely look a page for that one.
00:01:26
Speaker
i um I remember the GOAT, I do remember the GOAT, it was a bit of a bane, but I couldn't tell you they were players because I don't want to remember it, I'll be honest with you. We got some Premier League heritage and Elgar and Scholskar got the other GOATs in that game, so a little bit of a tidbit there. In recent times the landscape is of course completely different.
Impact of Key Players on Recent Derby Matches
00:01:44
Speaker
City have won five of the last six against their bitter rivals, scoring 19 and conceding just seven in the time, that's just in the Premier League. and In fact, in the fall Premier League Derby, since Holland has joined, both he and Phil Foden have bagged six each. Yes, that's six each, leaving no doubt as to who the superpower in Manchester has been for the last decade or so.
00:02:06
Speaker
The seven Premier League titles and current record-breaking four in a row since United's last do no harm to that statement either. Just stop the fire a bit there. But it would be unfair for me to dismiss the ethic up final from May where United exact exacted revenge on City winning the ethic up the previous year courtesy of Gannacho on May new strikes. A result which kept Ted Hagen a job way longer than he should have been so it was really all a big brain play from Pap I reckon.
00:02:32
Speaker
And City, of course, won the season's curtain raiser and the community shield on penalties after drawing 1-1 in normal time. So with that all said, Keelan, what is your feelings about Manchester United and the Manchester Derby?
Personal Reflections & Rivalry Dynamics
00:02:45
Speaker
You mean in general or just coming up to this game? In general, what feelings does it evoke in you? Hatred. A lot of hate. No, I'm just joking. No, stay it mate, stay it mate. I would say that. It's a good word.
00:03:01
Speaker
it's so great It's a great rivalry, and it's one that I always look forward to every year. Obviously, in years gone by, it's been more of a one-sided hammering, unfortunately, from the red side to the blue. Thankfully, and in recent years, it's been a much more enjoyable experience from our side, but it's interesting to see, especially with Reuben Amoram taking over in the red side of Manchester, how future Darby's are going to go.
00:03:26
Speaker
and obviously with the likes of Eric Tenhaag, Saul Shire and so on and so forth, it was a lot more one-sided since Pep Guardiola's taking over but it's very interesting, it's a great rivalry, it's one I think that all of us look forward to every year and it really is one of the pinnacle games of English football and I am expecting something special as we normally get every time we play each other.
United Fans on Derby's Importance
00:03:50
Speaker
And similar question to you, Matt, and I promise we can take it. What does Man City and the Manchester Derby mean to you? Well, you say it's like the pinnacle game of the season, but you're probably maybe like fourth most important for us. Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, if Leeds were there, it'd be Leeds. And then it'd be you, to be honest.
00:04:10
Speaker
Like, you guys make it more of a rivalry than we do. For the city and the monks and everyone here, yeah, it's a bit, you know, we got the history and stuff and we want to fight, basically. We want to fight. We want to go in on Monday and brag to our mates, laugh about it, have the banter, but it's never been really a rivalry. All right, we're struggling now, but back then when we were doing good, you were struggling. So where's the rivalry there? So from our perspective,
00:04:37
Speaker
This weekend, I would say, just want to see a fight. Not bothered about the result. You know, three points are three points. It's not a big game. We're not too bothered about it. I think for yous, you talk about us so much and you love these games so much. For us, it's like, well, you know, a bit of blues. Here they go again. Moaning, always talking about us. Yeah, we'll have a fight with you. Whoever wins, good. Whatever, but just another game in the season for us. And that's how it always will be.
00:05:05
Speaker
It's convenient to say that when you've lost five of the last six of them, but there we go. um And Danielle, I'll come to you as well. how Do you have a no resentment towards Man City whatsoever?
00:05:18
Speaker
Not really, as as a much of a like a younger fan, I would say, growing up, we were a bit more dominant than you guys were. I would say during 2011, 2012, when you guys became a bit more dominant, there was that little bit of a rivalry. But it still wasn't as strong because I i didn't like i didn't grow up with a rivalry. It was just that obviously you guys were getting better.
00:05:37
Speaker
and you know we were still a bit dominant at that time, the whole agrarian thing. When the agrarian situation happened, I was a bit upset that being a young kid, getting my heart broken by someone scoring 120th minute, I mean 150, whatever it was, it was kind of painful.
00:05:54
Speaker
But yeah, other than that, probably had more lack rivalries going up with Arsenal fans and Liverpool fans. and So you hit Joey Barton a bit more than you hit Man City then. You can say that,
City's League Struggles & Injury Concerns
00:06:06
Speaker
yeah. and To bring this match into the current day, however, I think it's fair to say that both teams desperately need the win here, however much you'd both like to say otherwise. Inevitably, we have lamented City's terrible run of late for what seems like forever,
00:06:21
Speaker
But here are some stats. City are in fourth. Eight points behind leaders Liverpool having played a game more. Only won one of the last six in the Premier League, losing four of those. Injuries still hampering the squad. Pep went a little bit mad in the middle of all of that too. The win against Forest provided a glimmer of hope, but the lacklustre performance against Palace seemingly killed that momentum. and So to get an outside perspective, what do you think has caused this recent decline for City, Daniel?
00:06:47
Speaker
like most like My mates, I swear to my mates who are City fans, and it's really just a ah matter of injuries. Obviously you've lost, probably in my personal opinion, the best player in the world. ah ah Obviously he's won the Ballon d'Or, Rodry.
00:06:59
Speaker
You're going to struggle when you don't have one one of your best players ke Kevin De Bruyne has struggled with injuries. Your whole team struggled with injuries. Your whole frontline third and play of the year last year he struggled with situations as well and it's just the midfield midfield. The football is is one in the midfield and you guys your midfield has been weak pretty pretty much all season. and And I think that's the main thing. I think you guys have struggled to defend transitions. And when you're playing against teams that are a bit lower than you, who are going to set up a bit of a lower block and try to hit you on trend on the transition, they're finding quite a bit of joy from it. Do you think the squat are the the club should have prepared for and these type of injuries? It's a very small squad. We know that's what Pap likes. Do you think that's on the club to make sure that one injury doesn't derail a season like that?
00:07:43
Speaker
Now obviously going into the season everyone was thinking you know even last season I think Roger complained about it a couple ah ah a couple times saying that you know he didn't really feel like he was he was being rested when he when he when he should have been and and it's understandable because obviously Kevin Phillips went on loan to West Ham and now he's at it like he he didn't really have a backup for him and it was kind of seen that from beforehand that okay cool you guys do you need to kind of bring in somebody for Calvin Phillips in case, you know, I mean, for Rodry in case um does happen to him. And we saw that the the the reaps of what had what happened. Obviously you lost Alvarez in the summer as well. And it goes, it's two, it's two peas in a pod really. It goes like hand in hand with one another. I feel like obviously Pep likes a smaller squad and he's taught, he doesn't want situations like Cancelo and and um Alvarez where players are not and where players are unhappy. so he you know He wants to have a smaller score, but you know now he's kind of seeing the pains of when you're going to have constant injuries, constant injuries. Despite City's struggles of late, United still find themselves eight points and nine league positions further adrift.
Challenges Facing United's New Manager
00:08:44
Speaker
The appointment of Ruben Amorim from Sporting provided a boost, but back-to-back defeats to Arsenal and Forest showed us a lot of work to do before the United of old returns. So, Matt, how much would it mean for Amorim and United to get three points at the Etihad?
00:08:59
Speaker
Well, it depends from the perspective, like the fan perspective, you know, like I say, it's another game. I do want the three points. We're not in a good position. For Amorim, it gives him a taste of, you know, playing the tougher opponent so far. He's not really had one. We had the Arsenal and I thought that was a bit of a pathetic performance. You know, we say we got all the possession and that, but we didn't try and have a fight. I think He's going to probably see what a fight is, I hope. And I hope, you know, from a player's perspective, they see that. To get the three points is important just because of the league position, absolutely. And for Amurim, he's still just learning. It's still going to be learning for him. He needs the points because you're judged on your wins. But he's in a tough spot. He's come in middle of the season, not even middle of the season. He's but then i like a third, isn't it, really? And m for him, it's a feel for him. You know, he's got these players who
00:09:51
Speaker
really don't care half the time. That's probably the biggest problem. And he's got to motivate him. And he's got to also try and push us up the table and also learn a new style and a new way of playing. So three points is important just because of league position. But if we were in a better position, I'd be saying what's more important is performance. And like I said, having that fight, showing the fight against city, showing that there's something building there would be more important. But because of the, like I said, league position, we do need the three points. It is important. Yeah.
00:10:20
Speaker
and off the back of that, who needs the win more?
Club Instability and Ownership Changes at United
00:10:23
Speaker
Who needs it more? I think Pep needs it more. I don't think he can keep losing his head that many times. I mean, I was saying the other day, like he's getting a bit like Jose and we're quite used to Jose kind of losing his head and we enjoy it, but it's not a good look for Pep. I think for him, he he needs that win. Never mind City or United, I think he needs it.
00:10:46
Speaker
For us, we're we building transition. So I'd probably say you guys need it. Yeah, fair enough, Keelan. Similar to what I asked Dee, Daniel, Daniel, from ah eagerly watching Outsider, where do you think it's gone wrong for United in the past decade or so? I mean, how much time do you have? No, I think a big part of Man United's problem has been from the top down rather than the bottom up because through their credit, you know, Man United's core supporters have always been there and they've they've been through really thick and thin over the last 10 years.
00:11:22
Speaker
I think a big part of the problem was the Glazer family, they've been a very destabilizing presence at that club and I do think there was, and and you guys are free to correct me if I'm wrong because of course you'll know this better than I do, I think when and Jim Ratcliffe came in I think there was a lot of expectation that that instability would be taken away and I think in certain ways it's almost gotten worse because a lot of the expectations been pulled from under their fans And we've seen with Dan Ashworth leaving his job after five months. I mean, nobody knows what's going on at Man United, you know? They keep Eric Timhag after he wins an FA Cup final whilst publicly courting other managers. Then they give him a contract extension. Then they back him with a massive war chest. Then they sack him. Then they bring in Reuben Amorim. Then they fire Dan Ashworth.
00:12:17
Speaker
I think a big part of Man United's problem is nobody at the top of the club knows what they're doing. and i I don't think that's an unfair thing to say. I mean, we know Walmart Baratta is very confident because he came from us to you, but I just don't know what's going on at the top of that club. And I think it's a massive, massive problem. And I think they've been through so many different managers that the players just don't know who they're listening to. And they kind of just think, I know Matt touched on this earlier, a lot of them are kind of happy to just sack it off and just collect wages every week. There's no set, you know, identity or sort of pushing towards what Man United are meant to be. And I do think it's a real problem for their club and it's going to take a while for that mess to get untangled.
00:13:04
Speaker
um um Matt, do you have any insight as to what happened with Dan Ashworth? It seems so strange for him to have left after the amount of money paid and the the length of time United were caught in him. I wish I did. I think, Keelan, you've kind of nailed it. For quite a lot of what you said, actually. I think most United fans would agree.
00:13:23
Speaker
Glazers have always been the problem even when we've been successful we've we've you know we protested we never wanted him here. Ineos come in and we start to think or maybe there'll be changes but we aren't seeing them and like you say this looking messy you know we're seeing job cuts and all this kind of stuff and little things disappear when you go why aren't you hammering the players you know why aren't they taking the cuts and why aren't things changing that really would affect what's going on and then Dan dan Ashworth you think well we paid three million for him it wasn't in the job but more than five months and they say it's mutual that doesn't sound mutual to me you know in any kind of industry if you're getting sacked in five months there's something very wrong it could be a breakdown
00:14:08
Speaker
it depends how you want to spin it. Do you want to believe you you think Ineos are actually doing the right thing and they just thought actually Dan Ashworth wasn't pulling his weight or did Dan Ashworth get in there and go this is a mess and I want out and he threw his toys out of the prime and maybe he did get sacked or move on from that. You just can't tell and I don't think we're ever going to know and it's the same with the Glazers, we never turn up, we don't do anything, we don't speak to the fans. Ineos kind of are doing some, you know, Radcliffe does a bit of interviews, but we're not still seeing the connection we need to actually have the full support, where you know, feel fully supported of what they're doing. I mean, it's early days, time will tell. Dan Ashworth, it's all speculation. But results are obviously king, aren't they? If United start winning on the pitch, a lot of this noise goes away.
00:14:54
Speaker
But that'll do for part one. When we come back, we'll get stuck into the game itself. this podcast is part of the global sports podcast network the only network bringing you exclusive daily news and views on your premier league team the premier league women's football and fantasy football a unique listening experience that puts fans first bringing you the very latest breaking news from your team Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts and make us your first listen every day. Global Sports Podcast Network, every club, every day.
Predictions for Upcoming Derby Match
00:15:27
Speaker
Hello and welcome back to the Daily Manchester City podcast on the Global Sports Podcast Network. So we've set the scene for the Manchester Derby. Now let's talk about the game itself. and We're recording this before both sides European matches. A trip to Juventus is undoubtedly trickier than a trip to Victoria Pilsen of course.
00:15:44
Speaker
but it means what we are about to discuss could all be susceptible to change. So anyway, who would you see starting for United on Sunday, Daniel? think pretty similar to what we had against Monon and Forest. I think obviously Mazzurri will come in at some position as well, maybe less in the back. I think, yeah, Lissandro, Missouri, toss up there. I think Yura probably will start. It's it's between Lissandro, Yura and Mazzurri who starts with their centre back. I think the licks pretty solid in this position.
00:16:11
Speaker
I think you got a man who just in front of them and then, that law and I met on both wing backs. Then in front of them, I'll probably have Bruno. I thought I was seeing got natural and rest for it. I think right now, probably more gone. Actually, I think you trust kind of a bit more than rest for it. And then, front of him, in front of them, uh, hoyland. Yeah. Hi. Highlands had a couple recently too, isn't he? And Rashford coming off the bench is always a dangerous prospect. He had tends to do well against city.
00:16:40
Speaker
Yeah, so, Elin, similar question for you. Who do you think Patton's going to interest with this one? Realistically, anybody that's fit at this point, James, we don't exactly have the cream of the crop of our squad to pick from. and If Kyle Walker starts, I'm just going to lose my mind. I'd rather play with 10 men and one less defender than play with Kyle Walker at this point, because that man is cooked beyond measure. and But that's a different story. and God willing, Ruben Diaz survives this game and he's fit.
00:17:10
Speaker
God willing, Yasuko Vardiel finally plays in the middle and not out in the left because he's not a fullback. He can't detect danger out there. Hopefully, Nathan Akai might be fit. If he is, that would be massively positive, but he probably won't be.
00:17:25
Speaker
In the middle, I mean, Ilkay Gundogan at the six, I guess, because we have nobody better to putt there. De Bruyne, Bernardo Silva, maybe the other two midfielders. Daku Savino out wide and then Holland up front. That's pretty much the best I can come up with, unfortunately. It still seems like the team's full of quality to me. and Not as good as you think it is.
00:17:49
Speaker
Well, in the Manchester Derby, it always feels like someone steps up to be counted, whether it's Holland or Foden from the Sky Blue side or Rashford or Rooney from the red. It's a stage that invites the best to make their mark. So who do you think Canal will make the mark for United in this one, Matt? Well, I know we mentioned said Rashford. He's got, I think he's got six goals against you in the Derbys, but he's not in form. I wouldn't want him to start or play. If I'm going to say anyone,
00:18:19
Speaker
I really think this is going to be a game for Manu. I think if he can get some control in the middle, get some of those battles against your midfield, which generally, I know you say, oh, they've got the injuries and that, but you're still a strong side, unfortunately. And, you know, the midfield's always where the battle is and we're usually quite weak in there, but I thought Ugata and Manu looked good. So I'm hoping, you know, that works out. Manu shows off some of his class, you know, for such a young kid. I think he's he's going to be a world beater already showing it.
00:18:49
Speaker
So I think for me, Manu, obviously Bruno creates the most chances in the league nearly every season, we just don't put him away. So he's always a threat. So probably those two players, I would say.
00:19:01
Speaker
Those are the ones to watch for us. And Daniel, what are the keys to victory for Amorim's side? Yeah, I agree with Matt. Probably Mainu. I've watched a few of the Man City games where you guys have lost over the car the past couple of weeks. And the the main struggle is you guys have been fielded. At the end of the day, your midfield has been getting overrun quite obviously. You've got the Kyle Walker issue as well. But your midfield has been getting quite overrun. And I feel like if Mainu, like you said, Bruno, you got here, they're all able to get a hold of the game and you know get a hold of the midfield. I feel like that's probably where the game's won for us.
00:19:29
Speaker
And Keelan, there's no doubt a lot of City players need a
Strategic Elements for Derby Success
00:19:33
Speaker
big performance. Who do you think will provide one? I mean, Manchester, Derby, biggest stage in the city.
00:19:42
Speaker
Probably Kevin De Bruyne maybe, I think. and you know Based on what little we've seen and what we discussed in the first segment, you know De Bruyne at 40% is still significantly better than a lot of what we've got already. So probably Kevin De Bruyne, if Holland can get a good start in the game, he tends to show up well as well. So it would probably be one of those two for us, but as far as the rest go, I don't know how much I'm holding my breath on them.
00:20:07
Speaker
And it probably will be a combination of the two as well, right? Haal intends to do better when Kev is on form. So what does City need to do as a team then, aside from individualistically, get over the line?
00:20:21
Speaker
I mean, stop conceding goals would be a good start. Realistically, City just need to be very, very defensively aware. I mean, we've seen with Man United's games under Ruben Amorim so far, they can tend to lose control of the game, you know, lose tempo in the game.
00:20:39
Speaker
but they are very very dangerous going forward they have a lot of pace on the wings and in Rasmus Hoyland they have someone who can run very quickly in behind so realistically this is a game I would not be playing Kyle Walker in no matter how dire the circumstances are but with city, they've got to be so careful because even if you're dominating the game and even if Man United are pending, they always have the ability to break out. And we've seen that in a lot of Manchester Darby's, especially with Ahmad Diallo recently, who's been playing very well. We've seen John Acho have sniffs here and there as well. You've got to be so aware of that speed threat out in the wings. And if you don't shut that down, you will leave yourself open to trouble.
00:21:22
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. and That'll do for part two. And when we come back, we'll talk about something a little bit more lighthearted, get some combined 11s, and take some trips down memory lane. Here at the Global Sports Podcast Network, we've spent a lot of time selecting our delivery platform and let me tell you, Zencaster came out the clear winner. With 4K video recording from your phone and AI editing that automatically removes all those ums and ahs, it's super easy to start a podcast that sounds great and is delivered efficiently. If you're ready to tell your story, then check out the link in the show description to learn more about Zencaster.
00:21:59
Speaker
Hello and welcome back to the Daily Manchester City Podcast on the Global Sports Podcast Network.
Hosts' Favorite Derby Moments
00:22:04
Speaker
There's been so many brilliant matches between these two storied rivals over the years and in them some absolutely magnificent goals. So I'm going to go around the room and ask you each for both your favourite derby and your favourite derby goal. Starting with you, Matt. I think Dan's probably going to say the same as me for both, but it has to be the Rooney overhead kick, favourite derby, favourite goal.
00:22:27
Speaker
19th league title, such an important one, unbelievable. Nally doing a good cross for once, he wasn't properly known for that. And then, all right, it really says he shined it, but it doesn't matter. That was roof raising, unbelievable goal, meant a lot for the prem run, you know, to win the league. We won it by maybe eight points that that year. I think you and Chelsea was second joint, I think. But yeah, a massive goal and just,
00:22:54
Speaker
you know, everyone loves an overhead kick. It's just one of those where you just go, wow, you keep watching it. And I think it was voted the greatest Premier League goal, I think as well. Someone can correct me on that, but I believe it was right up there. So yeah, that's the one for me. Yeah. If it wasn't voted the best, it's arguably the most iconic, that's for sure. Do you agree with that? Do you agree with that choice, Daniel? I'll try to get some different ones. I think for me, obviously, like I said, I'm a very younger friend. I was there during the Rooney goal as well, but I'll try to give some different ones, some more recent ones. I think um Scott McTominay's goal against C in 2020, when it was all raining last minute and he scored, and the ah the keep, Edison's come out, he scored an open goal. So it was just the eye of the game. And I think in terms of my favorite favorite win against C as well, I'll probably just say, you know, lost last year's FA Cup final was a good, it was a good black experience. we haven't had We haven't won many trophies off but over the last couple of years. So, you know, to win against your C rivals, it was good.
00:23:46
Speaker
Yeah, especially revenge for the year before, which was the first Manchester Derby epic up final, wasn't it? So yeah, probably probably even sweeter for you guys. So Keelan, cleanse the City fans ears and give us yours.
00:23:58
Speaker
Yeah, I think, I mean, there's there's a few to choose from, but I think my favourite's the sixth one for a lot of obvious reasons. I think it's the fact that Fergie said, you know, never in my lifetime will city be good, and then he got absolutely pantsed in his own stadium, you know, the look of humiliation at the final whistle getting spanked by David Silva and Co. Mario Balotelli does his thing. Michael Richards does a good game.
00:24:24
Speaker
I mean, the stars really aligned on that day and probably the greatest goal assist I've ever seen in David Silva to Ed and Jaco holds up to six. I mean, it's a city fan's dream. And then the greatest goal is to the come to mind. So I'll let I'll put those both out there.
00:24:43
Speaker
The first one's company's header in April of 2012, which is obviously the second derby of that season. That's where the momentum turned in the rivalry, and you really felt that we had a chance to go on and win the league. You know, first half, bullet header right in front of the fans. I mean, it just doesn't get any better. But the second one that doesn't get talked about enough is Aguero's solo goal in 2013, at Old Trafford, actually.
00:25:09
Speaker
You might remember it's sort of a solo goal, he goes past four or five players, he jinxed between two defenders, smashes it into the roof of the net, never should have got close, somehow he did.
00:25:21
Speaker
And he's still one of my favorite human beings of all time for that moment and many more. So it's between those two, but the sixth one will always be, it'll always just be the one for me. Yeah. Why always me? Of course. Iconic. It would be remiss of me to miss an opportunity for some friendly debate.
Debate: Combined XI Teams for City & United
00:25:38
Speaker
So I'm now going to ask you all for your combined 11s for the Manchester clubs. I've given no criteria whatsoever. So I'm massively keen to find out what you guys have got.
00:25:49
Speaker
So, Daniel, run us through your combined 11. I'll probably go this season. I'll probably go Inanna and go... I think you guys have had your confusions on who's the better keeper between Ortego and Edison. And I think, other than, you know, the Martin and Forrest game last game, but I think he's been very, very solid at this season. I think he's had a very good season. Obviously, he's got the most clean sheets this season, so I'll probably take Inanna.
00:26:15
Speaker
at left-back. I don't know, you guys said you weren't too fond of Gaudio at left-back, but I think for you guys, I think he's been pretty decent at left-back, so I'll probably take Gaudio. We haven't had a left-back all season up until, you know, recent times where Malazia and Luke Shores come back, and obviously, Luke Shores got injured again, so I'll probably take him at left-back, and then on the right, I'll take him at zoo. I think he's been classed all season. he's laugh It's been a revelation of a sign for that little that we paid for him to get him. I think he's been amazing, and then at the center-backs, I'll probably take the Lick tandem,
00:26:45
Speaker
the court and Ruben Diehl I think Ruben dies when he plays for you guys your team your team looks way more solid and I think Delix has been very consistent and I was quite harsh on him when he first joined I wasn't too sure and whether he'd be good enough but he hasn't been pretty solid and then the midfield I'll probably say there's not been many there's not I guess I guess you got a
00:27:08
Speaker
Yeah, I think you got a... Just by himself, just him. Bruno, and... don't know. I'm not too sure about any of the theme and shoulders right now. I think i think I'll go, you got a Bruno manial and then...
00:27:26
Speaker
Oh, actually, I'll say Kevin De Bruyne. Yeah, you gotta say Bruno and Kevin De Bruyne. When Kevin De Bruyne is played and I'm watching the season, he's been great. So I'll say De Bruyne as well. And then on the left, I'll probably have... Oh, actually, let me go to the right. On the right, I have Ahmad. Oh, I'm fine, obviously. We'll have an early Carlin top goalscorer. And then i on the left, I guess I'll probably play Doki. I'm not really a fan of either of United's left wingers right now, so I'll probably say Doki on the left as well.
00:27:53
Speaker
OK, so you have an honour, Ms Rawi, De Leti, Asgwadiol, Maynu, Kasamiro, Ahmad, Bruno, Doku and Haaland. I'll recap everyone's team at the end and then we'll see if we can put them out on socials to get people to vote on which one is the best. and Matt, I'll come to you next. You said there's no criteria, so can I pick players that don't have 115 charges hanging over them?
00:28:18
Speaker
I had to get it in at one point. We've avoided it all the time. All right. ah ah yeah You don't have to sub love to answer You know Actually, I thought Dan's team was pretty good. I don't think I'd disagree. Maybe Rico Lewis, instead of Gardial, on the left, I would probably say I like Garnaccio, so I'd have him over docu, but otherwise,
00:28:48
Speaker
I agree with Dan's picks. OK, so just to clarify, that Onana, Masrawi, Delet, Diaz, and it Rico Lewis? Sorry, Rico. And then Meinu, Casamiro. Oh, Casamiro, it was Iguate, I think, for both of you. Oh, Iguate, yeah, my bad, my bad. Yeah, there's Iguate. Is it Ahmad, Bruno? Garmadjo and Hoyland, was it? We've got two minute plays there.
00:29:18
Speaker
No, no, that's right, that's right. that' right With Harland up top, OK, Keelan, surely, show us some more light blue shirts. Jens, you said there was no criteria, so I'm going to be very creative with this. and I'm assuming both squads are at full strength, so that's basically what I'm working off. In goal, I'm going for Ederson. I'm going to admit, he's a bad shock cover, but I can't take a goalkeeper that let it go and straight down the middle come on. i mean like I get neither cover themselves in glory but I mean Morgan Gibbs White got the easiest goal they'll ever see in his life so I have to go with Edison on that basis. Left back Nathan Akke, I think Akke is a very underrated left back, I think he's solid, he's good, he does the job so Akke is going to be my left back.
00:30:07
Speaker
My middle pairing, this this is controversial because he doesn't actually get played where he should get played, but I'm going to put Bardiol and Diaz in the middle. I think you would actually get the best out of a central defender if he was played at center back, but I'm not Pat Bardiolus, so what do I know?
00:30:23
Speaker
Right back, I am going to put Maserati. I've been very impressed with Maserati, like Daniel and Matt said. He has been a really good signing for Man United, and they have a lot more protection on the right-hand side, which we could do with at the moment, so I am going to give him his credit. Maserati is my right back. My mid-field three, if we're talking full-strength, Rodri, just because it's Rodri,
00:30:47
Speaker
Kevin De Bruyne because it's Kevin De Bruyne. And then I'm going to put a fully fit Phil Foden in the midfielder as well alongside Kevin and Rodry in that midfield three. Number nine is Holland. Right wing is Savinio and left wing is Jeremy Gautu. Okie dokie. So we have Edison, Ms Rabi, Diaz, Claudio Lackey, Rodry, Kev, Foden and Savinio, Holland and Doku. All right, we'll there we'll get them up and we'll get people to vote on which is the best.
00:31:17
Speaker
If I had to pick though, it had to be the City team, of course, you know, we can't, can't, can't beat him in field with Rodry, Kevin and and Phil Foden then. Come on. Come on. That's four Premier Leagues in a row right there. And I feel like we've covered a lot here today, guys, so hopefully wet in the appetite for what I'm sure is going to be another firecracker of a Manchester
Season Predictions & Closing Remarks
00:31:34
Speaker
Derby. But before we go, I just want to find out where you think both teams will finish come the end of the season.
00:31:40
Speaker
So we talked about where you think City will finish last season, last episode, Keelan, but just ah say again briefly and also where you think United will finish too. So yeah, I think City are going to finish third this year, and I think it would be a big success if we did finish third, because Raudry we're probably not going to have for the rest of the season, and the rest of these midfielders just can't lease Raudry's boots. Unfortunately, that's just the reality we found ourselves in. So I think we're going to finish third. I think it'll be Arsenal second, and Liverpool will end up winning.
00:32:11
Speaker
And I can't remember where I had United in our preseason episode. I think I had them around 7th or 8th. And I think I'll stick around that. I do like Reuben Amorim, and I love his philosophy. I respect him very much. But if you look at what he has to work with,
00:32:28
Speaker
It's not great, to be honest, so he's kind of figuring it out as he goes along. I do think next season, if he's properly supported, because we don't think he's going to be supported in January, I think he will get a lot more right than he gets wrong. But this season, I don't think he's going to make his mark, so I'm going to stick around 7th or 8th from on the United. If you had to pick one of those two numbers? 8th. 8th, OK. And Matt, off the back, I've been told you the 8th best team in England. where Where do you think both United and City will finish this year?
00:32:57
Speaker
Well, not a historic, but I see what you're saying. I would say it's a tough one. You want to be positive. You're absolutely right, Q, in like he's he's got a lot to do. It's such a short amount of time. But this team is capable of all sorts of nonsense. We can go on crazy runs for no reason, no explanation, and we can be the worst team in the world for a couple of games, and it goes to pop. So I want to be positive and say that we'll get a Europa League play. So I'm going to say,
00:33:26
Speaker
Fifth or sixth, I'll go more positive because I think this season is crazy. The amount of points gaps are so thin this season, so competitive for once. So I'm going to say fifth. Yeah, I'm going positive and say fifth. I think you'll probably come third or even second actually. I won't be surprised. I think you'll find your form because you usually do. Yeah, you're you're totally right about the tightness of the league. and City are in fourth with 27 points and Fulham are 10th with 23.
00:33:51
Speaker
So, ah you you know, a few weeks can change everything, really, can't it? And then finally, Dan, where do you think United and City will finish this season? I think on the basis of C, I think I've gotten finished on fourth right now. I think Chelsea are quite underrated how they have they've been playing the season. I think everyone's just forgot about how good they've been playing the season. And I think they're going to be consistent throughout the season. We've seen it against teams against like Arsenal. They're getting points against big teams as well, like Tottenham and stuff like that. So I think they can finish.
00:34:18
Speaker
just above CE and obviously I got Arsenal and Liverpool above them so I probably should see them finishing fourth right now and with United I think the league is done for us. I don't see us getting Champions League through the league so I think we should just full focus on the Europa League so anywhere between fifth and eighth I'll probably say around sixth and then go full focus for the Europa League.
00:34:37
Speaker
I'll try and get his league through that. Yeah, fair enough. i six Sixth and a good Europa League round would probably represent a decent season after what was a poor start. would Would you say, Matt? Yeah, I think so. I mean, we're still in the FA Cup and there's still that to play for. I think if you can end any season with a trophy, it's better than finishing second. I think Arsenal need to realise that over the past couple of years. But yeah, we're we're not expecting much, I think.
00:35:04
Speaker
If we get the points on the board, then I think everyone's going to be looking at the style of play and just wanting to see some improvement and just some kind of positives that we can take into next season. So we'll see what goes, but yeah, the points gaps are so fickle at the moment. Who knows what's going to go on? Yeah, it's such a competitive league as well. You know, ah people every team's beaten every team than Southampton, of course. They're not going to be anyone this year, but that will do for for GSPN's first Manchester Derby crossover episode.
00:35:34
Speaker
So ah a a big thanks to Matt and Daniel from the Daily Manchester United team. Go check out all the great stuff those guys are putting out. And of course, thanks to Daily Man City stalwart Keeler McNamara. And if you can't tell, I'm definitely all psyched for this one on Sunday. Make sure to follow all the content we'll have covering the match. Hopefully all positive from our point of view. But for now, I've been Jules Jordan and-Probert. We've been Daily Manchester City on a global sports podcast network. I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Every club.
00:36:06
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