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Ep 13: Test vs Tech Edit
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Tiffany and Denise talk about testing vs. tech editing. They cover how they differ, when and why it's important to do each, and their experiences with testing.
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Introduction to the Podcast
00:00:15
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Hello and welcome to Knit, Design, Edit, Sleep, Repeat with Lisa Conway, Denise Finley and Tiffany Wooten. Let's listen in and see what's happening, who's happening and what's new in their world.
00:00:37
Speaker
Welcome.
Tech Editing vs. Testing in Knitting and Crochet
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Today, Denise and Tiffany discuss the difference between tech editing and testing and when it's right to do just one or both. Well, hello, Ms. Denise Sparkle Coordinator. How are you? I am just fine, Ms. Tiffany. How are you doing this evening? Surviving Mercury in retrograde. You and me both, sweetie. You and me both. Yes.
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Uh, for those, I think everybody will have heard by this point or Lisa's putting a preface up on our, uh, episode this time around for our wonderful listeners. You get the sparkle coordinator and I today, um, Lisa is going to be out for an extended period due to her surgery. So please send her all the best wishes and best prayers and best vibes for speedy and healthy recovery.
00:01:34
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And a much less painful life post-op. So you get the two of us and it's going to be a little different because it's the two of us. So we had to take it in a different route. Because we're just, we're kooky and crazy and Lisa keeps us grounded. So without the grounding force here, we're going to have a little more fun.
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Buckle up, buttercup. It could be a bumpy ride. That's it, exactly. So grab your seatbelt, people. We're going in.
Differences Between Testing and Tech Editing
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So today, we're going to be talking about testing, project testing, whether it's going to be test knitting or crochet testing for your patterns versus tech editing versus both.
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And Denise and I have a lot of very strong feelings on all of this. I don't know if they'll be able to tell or not. I mean, not us. No, we're not. We're pretty low key. Not at all. So anyways, that's what the broad topic is going to be. So I think you and I talked a little bit earlier, all I've ever tested is crochet projects.
00:02:58
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I've done some grommets. I've done some accessories. I've done some, you know, I've tested probably about a year and a half. Most of the time now that I tested something small, something easy, something, you know, break my phone, break my time up. So I don't get like super involved anymore, but I do enjoy test moderation.
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I get to watch all the testers and all their stuff.
Insights from Denise on Testing Experience
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It's fun. It is. I feel like I enjoy the community of that part, but I don't actively test much anymore. My testing experience is about 10 to 15 years I've been testing. I've tested for some big names in the knitting field and I've tested for some beginners, which is fun.
00:03:44
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I've also, most recently, tested for an Italian designer, which was tons of fun. Oh, I bet that was fun. Oh my gosh, she is so great. I absolutely adore her. But it's always been in the knitting field. I knit and crochet and spin and do a lot of fiber-related things. But I test knitted. I was in a couple of the knitting
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or the testing things on Ravelry for a while and got a lot of calls from that. Nice. But then I started doing it just per designer, which you get a little bit more, less selection, more say in it, I guess, I should say, when you get to actually speak with the designer. So that's fun, too.
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Yeah, that's what I've always all of my testing stuff has come off of instagram Because i'm one of the I actually didn't get into the ravelry scene real big. My mom did that's how she did for getting uh, knit testing But all of my knit all of my testing has actually been done on instagram.
Tiffany's Experience with Instagram Testing
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So mine has been directly from the designer's um input and the designer asking for help so i've been spoiled in that aspect
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getting the direct input with the designer and yeah, hey, this isn't so great. Hey, let's try this and so that I
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you bringing that up, I've clearly been spoiled with that aspect. Yeah, because I was several of the test pools that I was in from off of Ravelry, I was just one of 30 or 40, you know, and didn't get a lot of one on one with the designer. I guess recently, especially with a girl in Italy, and with Lisa, also, it was very one on one and, you know, trying to figure out
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the best way for them as a designer to put their pattern out there for different people because I think as I've designed things myself but never written it down and you know created a pattern from it so designing things that way I've just done it for myself and I've never had to think about what it would be like for somebody else to read that pattern right so that was kind of an eye-opener
00:05:53
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For me you know to get that kind of feedback so and see that's what so this is this is one of those things that i am going to add a tech editor i strongly. I'm just gonna put this out there now for all the listeners and anybody who has followed my page knows that i did a tech edit tuesday several months ago where it was testing versus editing.
Ensuring Pattern Quality through Editing and Testing
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And I am very much team designer. I'm very much team and in the end, team maker. So for me, editing and testing have to go hand in hand for the pattern to be the absolute best that it can be. Because like you said, like you said, it's I can understand the pattern as the editor, you know, and especially because like we've talked with Roe, I've been friends with Roe for a very long time. So I understand what she's saying. And I can clarify some of her stuff to make it a little more clear.
00:06:43
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But because we've been friends, I understand what she's saying. Well, this is where her testing pool comes in and she's got a test going on now. I think we talked about it in the interview with the, um, the new summer top. Yeah. Yeah. The California gold top. She's got, it's active in testing now and it's, it's fun. It's so cute. But anyways, um, like some people are already coming up and they're like, Hey, I don't understand this. And that's the whole point of testing is because, you know, you as a maker, me as a maker, you know, if it's a designer I've never worked with.
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Hey, this doesn't make sense. You know, even though it made sense to you when you wrote it down as the designer, you have to make it applicable to everybody. Yep. And it makes sense to me as an editor because I've got background, you know, and I've got the personal relationships. So that's two fronts right there where yeah, I understand it. But if a general maker, you know, if another maker can't understand it, okay, we need to change this.
00:07:34
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Yes. And so I agree with that 100%. Me too. I think because I've done a lot of testing in the knitwear field, and it was all mostly knitwear, I never tested like an afghan or accessories or anything like that, shawls. When I say accessories, I did a sunglasses case instead of coasters.
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And the coasters were actually flowers. And I have made them for so many people now. They are just, they are quite literally one of my favorite things. But anyways.
Concerns About Non-Edited Patterns
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Yeah, but because of that, I think that I've learned to, as a maker myself, when I'm looking for something, let me give you an, for instance, my granddaughter is expecting her first child. Let's not even talk about what that makes me. But, but baby makes her fun.
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We'll talk about baby makes being fun. Right? We'll talk about the lineage of the age, but we will talk about baby makes being fun. But I really wanted something that was easy, but I didn't want it to look too simple, you know? And that was one of the things I decided to do a couple of years ago, and we're kind of segueing into something else now, but I
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really have a strong opinion about using patterns that have been tech edited. If they've been tested, that's good. But if they haven't been tech edited, and I'm going to pay money for them, I almost find that to be problematic. I don't want to have to do all the work to figure it out in my head.
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Yeah. And so if that can be taken care of prior to.
00:09:33
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releasing that into the wild, you know, for people to buy. Yeah, for the makers. Yeah, then then then I think that that's a very positive thing. I've also if it doesn't say anywhere on the first like the romance page or whatever that it's been tech edited, then I have been known to email the designer and ask if it has been, you know, and that's a really good point is I think it needs to stay somewhere, whether it's going to be in the listing on either Ravelry or Etsy or their website.
00:10:03
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or, you know, on their romance page or whatever it's going to end up being. I agree with you. I think it needs to say off the top that it has been tested and it has been edited because it does for, you know, makers like us who had come to expect a certain level. Yes. I agree with you that it does make it easier because my mom, she was working a pattern in the last four or five months.
00:10:27
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And, um, she, she was just like, this, this makes absolutely no sense that she had to reach out to the designer. She didn't get a response from the designer for weeks. Yeah. Yeah. So she became very frustrated. And then like, I opened up, I opened a pattern recently that was put, that was sponsored. It was a sponsored pattern. This one really bothers me. I opened up a pattern in last year, loved the pattern, bought the pattern because I was so in love with this sweater.
00:10:55
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bought the pattern and it's a color block pattern. So I was going to be my first color block project because I love color, hadn't actually color block. So I was like, okay, this will be a good way for me to learn it because I love color, but I'm not so great at putting it together and putting it in an order. And I've got a couple of people that I can be like, I can take a picture of my pile of yard and the finished product. How do I order this? And my person that I typically go to,
00:11:24
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Her name is Krista. She's with a frosted stitch. And let me tell you that woman, she's got an amazing eye for color. And I think you would actually love her yarn. She's a Canadian. She's a Canadian maker and a Canadian dyer. They've got the yarn down up there. Let me tell you what, you would love her colors because I know you love color. Like she has got color for days. And I've been known to take a pile of picture of the pile and be like, Krista, what do I do? And Krista, what's up?
00:11:55
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Yeah. So, but, um, the color block, like I opened up the pattern and it tells you color. I don't remember how they had it. Whether it was color a color B or one, two, three, whatever. It listed the colors and it gave you the art ages, but it did not tell you what color the samples were done.
00:12:14
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So like I think this particular sample, I think it was gray, pink, purple and blue, but it did not denote which color was which was a was yardage. Correct. So I could not, I could not personally go in and substitute the way that I wanted to. And I was like, I don't have the mental space to figure this out right now. And I was.
00:12:34
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I was livid. My friends got a whole rant about it. Because to me, that's an easy thing to do. It is. And this is going to sound very ungracious or picky or, I don't know, something. But if I'm going to spend money on something, I'm going to want it already figured out for me as far as what kind of yardage it needs to have for this size. Or where do I need to put those increases or decreases?
00:13:04
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you know, what kind of yarn substitutions can I make that are acceptable? Because it's not always on the Ravelry page. You know, when it's those yarn ideas, it's just the people who have actually used those yarns. It's not like the designers, what she said, oh, you could probably use this. So I just feel like for a paid pattern, that there needs to be maybe a little bit more work to it.
00:13:32
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Um, so a little bit more into it, you know, so let me ask you as a, as a maker, will you pay more for a pattern that has been edited and tested?
Preference for Tested and Edited Patterns
00:13:42
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Yes, ma'am. Okay. I know that's been a debate. I know that's been a debate in some circles that I have seen over the last couple of years. And because some people are, you know, cause they're trying to figure out what to charge and that's one of the top two questions. And I'm like, well, obviously you're either having it edited by me or have you had it edited? Yes, no. Okay.
00:14:01
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Have you had it tested? Yes, I have had it tested. Okay, cool. Rock on with your bad self and you have leeway to charge more because that's time and effort and that's more edits from the testers. If there's a pattern that's maybe simpler, maybe more beginner, advanced beginner to not necessarily intermediate advanced or anything. I'm just throwing that terminology out there. I don't usually use it.
00:14:30
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But then, if it's just been tested, and I've already made a carbigan that's shaped that way, then I might be able to go with the, oh, it's only just been tested. Because there have been other people giving that designer feedback.
00:14:46
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But if it's something that's extremely difficult or fair isle or color stranded or, you know, fitted, you know, it's got a lot of, you know, stuff in it or made of techniques I haven't used before. Right. Then I'm really going to make sure that it has not only been tested, but that it has been tech edited because with the more advanced procedures that we tend to do in our crafting,
00:15:12
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We need a lot more eyes on it to make sure that we've explained it correctly. And that actually that's fair because you're right like the more advanced you get the harder it can be number one to not only have make sure that it's clear but number one you know number two to explain it to make sure that every maker can do it. Can I say something right here? I love YouTube.
00:15:36
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I love technology some days. Not today. I mean look, not today, but we've had our days. Not today.
00:15:45
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And I love going back to the Mercury thing. Right. And I love Denise and I decided we were blaming Mercury for all of our problems today. Everything today. Just so you know, today's a, today's a Mercury and retrograde. And while, you know, I'm not a full believer, you know, while I'm not a full believer, I enjoy being able to blame it. So anyways. Oh, I am a full believer and I totally believe it. But anyway, so here's the thing. I forgot what I was going to say.
00:16:12
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We were talking about the fair isle. We were talking about the clarity and putting it out there and. Yep, technology. OK, there you go. Technology. Yes, here we go. Please delete this. Feel free to delete that part. OK, so here's the thing is not everyone enjoys technology like I do, and I'm an older person and my boys keep me up to date on technology.
00:16:41
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And I'm pretty savvy with stuff, but nowhere near as savvy as you are, sweetie, okay? Or even Lisa. I'm kind of in the dark with all that, okay? But if I have to pull up my pattern and click on a YouTube link every time I want a very difficult procedure to explain to me, I'm gonna throw things, okay? I'm gonna throw them at a wall. But if I have a shot by shot tutorial, like stills, photo stills,
00:17:07
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That's wonderful. And I think that a lot of designers of a certain age right now that are very popular, that are prolific tend to think that way. And it's just all video links.
00:17:25
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I actually encourage both photos and links because everybody's got a different way of learning and everybody's got a different way of figuring it out. And I'm somewhere in the middle. Like sometimes if I can't figure it out on the video, I want to have a photo that I can look at it and be like, okay, where does this hook need to go to make the stitch?
Written Instructions vs. Video Tutorials
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And I want words that say, place your hook under the second loop or whatever. You know what I'm saying?
00:17:54
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Yep, the third stitch one where your hook is sitting. Because I can tell you right now I made a cardigan off of a YouTube video which is still sitting in a bag not done yet because I was furious about it. It's in timeout, it's fine. It is in timeout, yes. It's still in timeout. But I literally
00:18:15
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took the, I can't tell you how many times I backtracked that video to a certain point to find out exactly what stitch that she was doing that on. Yeah. Because she would speak too quickly or she would, you know. The voice and video don't line up right. Right, exactly. Yeah. So, I mean, and maybe that's just a
00:18:38
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Someone of much finer vintage than you know others think that way I think it's I think part of it is a learning thing. I don't know that it's necessarily an age thing I think it's a learning thing because yeah, I do too I've gotten to the point that I'm very picky with my YouTube videos on who I actually trust to Link out to and I you know if I because I'm a baby knitter
00:19:02
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Baby Knitter has like two people that I will go and watch religiously. Baby Knitter doesn't know what I'm doing. I'm like, okay, where's Pink Lady? I need a pink lady video to show me how to do this. She's great. She's great. Oh, she's amazing. I love her. I love her stuff. Yeah. And that's what I've been relying, you know, um, when Lisa and I did our interview last time we were talking about a tank top I was working on.
00:19:26
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And one of the things was slip slip knit. And let me tell you what, I watched her slow-mo slip slip knit about four times because I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. Because here's the thing. Here's my philosophy about it. A lot of the YouTube videos, for me, is just replacing the going and sitting in the knit group and somebody showing you in person how to do it. And they're going to do it slower, or they're going to sit right next to you, or they're going to talk to you real slow while you're doing it if you're a beginner.
00:19:54
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And they'll show you how to fix it and they'll show you exactly what you're doing wrong, right? Because it makes it harder. Go ahead. No, it just it makes it harder when you replace the video with the actual person is what I was saying. Yeah. Well, I've even clicked on beginner videos for a certain set of stitches or like cabling without a needle and stuff like that. And I was like, I'm sorry, but that just isn't even going to work for me because
00:20:20
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it's way too fast and I know I can slow my video down but then it doesn't match like you said yeah so I think that I think designers specifically of of that have wide-ranging makers yes audiences that they need to yeah I think they need to really think about that
00:20:41
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when they're doing their because word will get around if this is a good enough pattern for somebody to do or if this is a good pattern for a beginner or is this a good pattern for somebody learning this new technique. Yeah and it makes it it makes it easier and I think it I think you're right the feedback you know the
00:20:58
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the word does spread of, you know, oh my, you know, when they start putting out stuff of, Hey, who's a really good, you know, I need a pattern for this or who's got a really great pattern of this. And, you know, if you get the same thing six times, you know, it's a, you know, it's a legit deal. So, so as a maker, then for yourself, I'm going to read one of your questions you sent me. Why do you think it would be important
00:21:22
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for your pattern that you're going to use to be tested or tech editor. And I've already said what I've said. Right. I like I said, I'm very much team both, because I there's certain stuff that I don't understand. You know, if it's somebody I don't know, I want to make sure that it's clear, you know, and yep, the tech editor is going to make sure that you're technically correct. And they're going to hit the first round of hey, clarify this, condense this, whatever.
00:21:47
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but having the makers go through as the second check and be like, this doesn't make sense. And there's, I've been in enough chats. Um, and I guess this is the difference between Ravelry and like Instagram is, yeah, I was one of, you know, 25, but we also did have that direct input with the designer where we're like, Hey, this doesn't make sense. And a lot of the designers have been super receptive to, Hey, how do we make, you know, the designer will be like, okay, anybody have ideas how to clarify?
00:22:18
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And to me, the more trustworthy eyes you can put it in front of, and I say trustworthy because there's some, there's some testers that are not trustworthy. There are some testers that are not, you know, and, and everybody's got their people. They trust, you know, everybody's got their people, you know, I think you need to be inclusive in grabbing a tester pool, uh, between number one experience and number two different backgrounds. Yeah. Um,
00:22:45
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So I just think the more eyes you can get it in front of the better. And I'm like you, I will pay more for a pattern to know that it's been tech edited and to know that it's been tested, especially like you said, with the more advanced techniques, whether it's going to be color or stitches or whatever.
Benefits of Tech Editing and Testing
00:23:02
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And if you know what it's going to be, yeah, I, you know, I, I'm with you. I want to know off the top, whether it's going to be tech edited and or tested or both.
00:23:12
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because like I said I think the more eyes you can get it in front of the better and it's like you and I when we were talking about what we were doing for this it's like the old-fashioned
00:23:21
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You know, old fashioned, but the older quilting circles and the, you know, knitting circles and that. And it's exactly like that where everybody comes together to help on the finish, the finished product. I think the finished product is better for it and between editing. It does. And between, between having, you know, cause so I don't know how other designers do it.
00:23:43
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I do, I do round one where I, you know, I edit the pattern and then it goes out for testing and then it comes back to me and I do a final look through before it goes out for publication so that, you know, everybody's on the same page, everything looks good, you know, and I, some of those patterns have come back and I'm just like, wow, that is so much better than what you and I worked through to begin with. And this is going to be amazing. And I'm so proud of you and your team.
00:24:08
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Because it is, it is a huge collaborative team. And I am very much, very much put it in front of as many eyes as you can get it, you know, realistically. Quick question right here in the middle. How long do you think you need to give, let's just say, shawl, okay? Lace shawl. How long do you give a tester? Do you think is a good amount of time?
00:24:34
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Timelines are very sticky things so Complex lace I would say probably anywhere between six and twelve weeks It depends on if it's fingering weight if it's worsted weight if it's you know Okay, well and it like if it's gonna be all lace Mm-hmm like I'll just destroy it up lace Mm-hmm. If it's a super complicated lace. Mm-hmm. If it's the more complicated I think you need to have a longer window if it's just a simple, you know slip knit and
00:24:59
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you know, knit two together kind of thing. Yeah. Like a horseshoe. Yeah. You could probably, you know, if it's just a small little, you know, two by, you know, three by three square kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. You could probably get away with, you know, a four to six week window, right? You know, especially if it's a thicker yarn, but, um, especially garments. Yeah. I firmly believe minimum of eight to eight to 10 weeks for a garment.
00:25:25
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So is this minimum that you're talking about, whether it's a garment or a shawl or lace or whatever, are these timeframes that you're giving me industry-wide? No, not even close. These are personal. These are my personal preferences as number one as a plus size maker and number two, what I have seen have been more receptive to the testing area. Because if you are trying to turn out
00:25:55
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a garment that is full like in its lace around the neck and lace down the sleeves and lace down the, you know, the hemline and you've got lace everywhere. You want somebody to turn that in a plus size 2x maker to turn that in in six weeks. That doesn't take into account that they have a full time job that doesn't take into account that they have kids that doesn't take into account if they have both. Right. You know, it doesn't take into account if they have, um,
00:26:22
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you know, speaking to our world chronic illness where we just have days we can't even pick up a hook or yard, you know, so I am one that I lean more on the more fair windows that take into account life.
00:26:38
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Um, because, and this is a test, test windows is a hot topic in, you know, in the Instagram community, as far as, you know, what's fair and what's not. Well, so here's my thinking because I come from the fashion world. I'm kind of like Jill Wolcott a little bit. I came from the world of fashion, not as a maker, but as a, that was a model for a lot of years. And my mom was a designer. So that's my mindset, but they were always a season or two seasons ahead.
00:27:06
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Correct. And I think for a long time, we in the fiber world have not, we've been, Oh, what's coming up next month? You've got three weeks to test this. Yeah. And I've lived that and I, I just, I don't think that it's, um, There's been a transition, a transition with the makers that I know where they are trying to at least get a season ahead. Okay, good. You know, because I have, I have seen that as well where, you know, it's like, Oh, wait, you know, okay. So
00:27:35
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When we're recording this, you know, it's the beginning of june. So wait fourth of july is in a month We should probably do something for fourth of july You know and I know that this episode is going to come out after fourth of july But that's you know, we're reporting right now, you know of oh wait, this is the next holiday We should do something targeted for that And it makes it hard on the makers and the testers where you're trying to turn out something that doesn't
00:28:00
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you know, it's just, you're going to take all the fun out of making. Yes. You know, you're going to take the fun out of testing and you're going to take the, you know, it's just not going to be a thing anymore. So, okay, good. Well, I'm glad you're it because when I was with a bunch of testing, when I did my earlier testing, like 15 years ago, when I started,
00:28:19
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I would get three weeks for a lace shawl. And I had a small child who I was homeschooling with learning difficulties and a lot of Asperger's and stuff. So yeah, it was pretty time intensive. And that's why I don't do it anymore. Yeah. It's a huge thing. And that's what I'm saying is I've become a lot more selective on my timelines. And I know a lot of makers, especially the plus size makers,
00:28:43
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They're the same way. They they're very selective on their timeline. So me as an editor, if somebody asks me, hey, you just looked at the shawl, what do you think? And depending on how complex it is, I'm going to be like, you need six weeks, you know, or you need at least 10, you know, and somebody will try and argue with me. And I'm like, what about your plus size makers? Because
00:29:02
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As a plus-size maker, I want to see it on a plus-size body. I want to see their photos. Me too. So you want to give them fair time to be able to make it because it's twice as big, three times as big as a small, extra small.
00:29:15
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And yes, they can pump it out in four weeks or shorter, but I can't. I'm a slow stitcher. I'm just really glad to hear that the industry itself is kind of trying to look at this part of its little gambit and seeing that it needs to be seen at least a season ahead. A lot of people are starting to transition to a season ahead and it seems to be working out for them a lot better.
00:29:44
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And so they are able to offer the longer timelines to help with their makers and their testers. So that's one thing I've become really proud of. So this was, you wrote, you wrote this down and this is interesting for me because I don't know if it's the same thing as for you as it was for me, but as a tester, what do you look for in the pattern to help the designer? What, what do you look for? So because I've got the editor background, I look more for the technical stuff.
00:30:11
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Oh, but I, you know, and that's just me. That's, that's just what I tend to, you know, I'm like, Hey, this doesn't quite make sense. You know, first I'm going to look for whatever it is I'm going to use, or I like, you know, the coasters, the coasters are flowers and I'm not a big floral person, but I love how big they were.
00:30:30
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And I love the fact that it was an easy pop of color. And I was like, yeah, that'll be a fast project. Sure enough. It was. And I popped out like a dozen in a weekend. It was great. That's cool. Um, yeah, for a garment, it's going to be something that I can wear and I can, you know, it can go into this capsule wardrobe I'm trying to build. So capsule, water drooping. I know what you're talking about. Oh, I'm going to have to hit you up because I need some more help. But anyways, um, I, um, you know, it's,
00:30:58
Speaker
First I look for something that I can, I can make, you know, something that I'm going to wear some, and then I look for that timeline because I want to be able to make sure that I'm not going to kill myself over a timeline anymore. I did it. I unfortunately disappointed a few designers because yeah, between my job and my life, I, you know, it just didn't happen. And so I try to make sure that I'm fair to both of us on getting a timeline. That's going to be more realistic to me. Right. And then when I get into the pattern.
00:31:26
Speaker
Sorry for the echo, guys. Tiffany's earbuds died. I guess one of the things that one of the things I thought of when I read this question at first was what can I do to help the designer? And I think it's my point, especially when I did Lisa's the fall.
00:31:47
Speaker
was to try to get her out of her own head and into somebody else's way of thinking. Like, okay, this makes sense to you, like we talked about earlier, but for me, this is mud. Yes. And that's one of those things where you get it in front of many eyes as possible. And yeah, I'm the same way because there was one project that I did that I was just like,
00:32:11
Speaker
this doesn't make sense. I am not a beginner. I have done several different things, but this doesn't make any sense to me. So we need to figure this out. And it actually, the designer and I actually ended up doing a video call on something and we, we sorted it out and everybody was like, Oh yeah, so much better. So as a, as a tester and a tech editor, I want to encourage everybody, you know, if you were testing,
00:32:37
Speaker
Don't be afraid to say something to the designers so that they can clarify it. Because it has to be clear for everybody. If you're not understanding it, chances are there's five other people in that group who don't understand it. I'm not the only one. I learned that a long time ago. Exactly. Mark that up exponentially once it gets out into the wild, like you said. And there's several other people.
Consistency and Clarity in Patterns
00:33:05
Speaker
I agree that, you know, once you get it in front of as many people, you're not the only one that doesn't understand. And once it gets out into the wild, somebody else has to be able to understand it. So yes, lots of somebody else's that think differently than we do, you know, we all think differently. And that's the fun of it is we all have different perspectives, and we have to be able to bring our perspectives to the
00:33:25
Speaker
So let me ask you this as an editor because I'm not a tech editor. I've just done testing forever and I'm a maker and I've designed, but I designed bespoke, one of a kind things. You know, I don't write them as a pattern. Okay. So, um, what do you look for that differs from testing?
00:33:47
Speaker
So this is one of those things, consistency. For me, it's a huge thing is consistency. Like I want to make sure that if you use capital, like if you're going to use a capital SC for single crochet, you use the same single crochet all the way through.
00:34:05
Speaker
Okay. Or if you're going to use lowercase, you use lowercase all the way through, and making sure that the asterisks and the parentheses are all where they're supposed to be in. You're saying there's a repeat here, but you haven't marked a repeat anywhere in this row, you need to be able to mark a repeat. Or, hey, try changing this to repeat row, whatever.
00:34:28
Speaker
Consistency is one of my huge things is to make sure that everything matches all the way through so that it doesn't confuse somebody because somebody may look at a capital SC up here and a lowercase SC down here and they may go, oh my God, is that two different things? No, it's not two different things. It's just the way that it got marked. I look more for the consistency aspect and making sure that
00:34:52
Speaker
repeats are marked correctly, repeats are actually being used correctly, you know, um, the math, because like you said, if it's a fitted garment, you want to make sure it fits correctly. So we have to make sure that all the math that works out correctly. I don't do grading like Lisa does. So Lisa would have a whole different perspective as far as the grading process. Yes. I just, I just do final checks on the numbers and make sure that the, the number counts work and that kind of thing. So, um,
00:35:19
Speaker
Mine is probably my biggest pet peeve would be consistency. Yeah. And I have a problem with that a lot in my life, but not in pattern stuff. I think I really...
00:35:33
Speaker
Um, there've been some patterns in my life that I've had in the past and even as recent as like last year that, uh, the consistency was, and they were free patterns to be honest. Okay. Um, there's a period of my life when I couldn't afford to buy a lot of patterns. So I would get free patterns and there were, there are times and you just thinking, why is this different up here? Now, let me ask you a question as an editor.
00:36:04
Speaker
Would having a glossary of terminology at the beginning of pattern, would that be helpful? I find that having the abbreviations listed at the front is essential because if somebody, especially if it's an adventurous maker,
00:36:22
Speaker
They may not know what all the terms are, you know, and like you were saying earlier, yes, Google and YouTube are wonderful. But you want to make sure that as a designer, you know, speaking to the designers, you want to make sure that you're listing it there so that your makers know what they're getting into, because some of these designers are getting very creative with their stitches. Yes. And they're they're pulling
00:36:52
Speaker
they're almost creating new stitches. So, okay, if you're going to create something new, then you need to be able to list it appropriately and nobody's going to know what that abbreviation is going to be. So you need to list what it is so that they know how to make it. Well, and not even just abbreviations for stitches, but different techniques. I've noticed there is one particular knit designer recently who does a lot of garments and uh,
00:37:21
Speaker
It's like it is her mission in life to make things as most difficult as she can to stop them. And I'm thinking, and I have also remember a person in my life at one time has said, hang on, I'm not going to plug my computer, has said, you know, well, a pattern is just basically a suggestion.
00:37:43
Speaker
Well, you're talking to a pattern follower. Yeah, I'm a follower too. I'm very much a follower. Every jot and tittle. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm the same way. Yeah. So I don't do the whole, oh, this is a suggestion and go ahead and start it differently than what the pattern says. I can't do that.
00:38:04
Speaker
Yeah, I can't either. I'm not that person either. I'm very much follow it. And that's one of those things that if, you know, I'm an advocate for the special stitches section, you know, sell out what this stitch is. And that's where we go back to the photos and the links and everything else is, okay, here's your section, you know, here's how you do, you know, I'm trying to think of one of those stitches recently was a
00:38:32
Speaker
I don't even know. I can't think of, I can see the abbreviation and I can't think what it was called. But anyways, it was a treble stitch, you know, and here's what the name of the stitch is. Here's the abbreviation I'm going to be using. Here is the verbiage how to do it. Here are the pictures and here's the link on how to do it. Like to me, that is a complete section because number one, that covers what the stitch is, that covers what the abbreviation is, that covers
00:38:58
Speaker
for those who read it and need the words and the photo, here's your words, here's your photo. And for those who need the video, here's your video. To me, that is a complete section. And that makes it all the more accessible for everybody. And it sets the expectation of what you as a designer want the stitch to be.
00:39:18
Speaker
Because like you said, there are some designers who see this as a suggestion. But if you want your piece to match the sample. To look like it. Exactly. Bingo. Here's how you do this. Here's what I need. And I had a thing not long ago. Well, I guess it was the beginning of the year where I put out
00:39:36
Speaker
one of the first things that you need as a designer for writing a pattern, you need to set your expectations. Setting your expectation is what stitches are used. How do you create the same stitches that I used in the design? Here's the yarn I used. Here's some substitutions. You need to set all of your expectations up front and hear the special stitches and spelling it out as one of those things.
00:40:01
Speaker
There's a crochet designer right now that I follow almost religiously. I love her stuff. It's all very simple, but she does exactly what you say. Now, I don't recall in any of her patterns if she says that they have been tech edited.
00:40:18
Speaker
but I will pay for them. Now she has them free on her blog, but then you can get the no ads, you know, PDF thing that you pay for. And I don't mind doing that because I've done enough of her patterns. I know that she has that. She has a video tutorial. She has pictures. I know I can go to her blog and look at her stiff stitch definitions, but the knitwear designer I was referring to, and let me ask you this question.
00:40:46
Speaker
So she's got this way to start these cardigans at the very beginning that the shoulder slope is really odd and you cast on and uncast off and blah, blah, blah, this other stuff. But she's done it in two or three of the patterns that I've purchased of hers. Should she not just call this the whatever her name is technique? She could. I mean, Lisa would have a better answer on that. I mean, I.
00:41:11
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she could but me personally I would prefer her to spell it out every time because if you don't have experience with her to know that that is her technique and if she doesn't consistently spell it out in her special section you know special section you know if she's not one to use that then I would prefer her to write it out every time well but what I'm saying is should she not just present that in a video this is my technique to start these you know she could she could but it's a matter she would
00:41:41
Speaker
Or, you know, if she does, so that would be her personal preference. If she just wants to keep writing it out, she could. If she wants to actually call it her own technique, you know, she would have to make sure that she's consistent on the usage of it. Because if she's not consistent each pattern, like if it's 10 stitches on this pattern and five stitches on this pattern, I would prefer to be spelled out every time.
00:42:06
Speaker
Yeah, I get it. That makes more sense to me now. Yeah. Yeah. I was just very frustrated. Oh, I can understand that, but I would, I would prefer it be spelled out every time so that there's no gray area. Because like you said, I'm a follower. I'm the same way. Yeah, I am. And if, you know, and I'm also one that I would rather have everything listed on the pattern and then have to go back and look at something else and be like, Oh, definitely me too. Yeah. And if the link is there, then I'll follow the link.
00:42:35
Speaker
but I don't want to have to go back and look, you know, hey, go find this blog post or go find this pattern. And I'm also an advocate of linking everything out in the PDF because if there's a link there, I'll follow it. But if I have to go find it, I'm not going to do it. I'm lazy.
00:42:55
Speaker
I'm pretty lazy, but I also like the old fashioned way of printing out on real actual paper instead of doing it on my tablet or my computer. So if the link is there, I might do it electronically. So yeah, I'm the same way. Yeah. Okay. Well, one more question for you as the editor, my dear, is, um, do you actually have to make the piece the way the testers do? No.
00:43:21
Speaker
I didn't know so. No, I don't actually like now there are pieces that I have started that I have edited because I love them so much. Oh, they're such an amazing piece that I will make it. But do I have to make it and make it on the same timeline? Absolutely not. No, that's and that's where I find pull your mic down just a little bit because you're breathing into it.
00:43:46
Speaker
You can get it by your mouth. Yeah, you had it up high enough it was catching your breath. Sorry, sorry. No, you're good. Okay. No, I don't have to make it on the same timeline. And this is where I find as an editor, I love having the testers, because they do make the piece. So they can go back and not only double check my numbers, they can double check the designers numbers, they can double check the fit. Because while I can look at it on the paper, and I can look at the numbers,
00:44:12
Speaker
And everything fits by the numbers. Okay, great. But as an actual maker, does this fit the way that we all anticipated fitting? Are the numbers, you know, yes, mathematically, these numbers fit, but as a maker, are they working to make the piece the way that we want it all to fit?
00:44:30
Speaker
You know, because sometimes numbers and execution, yeah, the numbers are right, but the execution, you know, maybe we need to take it in three stitches and we didn't realize that. Or maybe, you know, the decrease needs to come down three rows or something like that. And that's, to me, that's where the make the, that's the other portion of the testers being absolutely essential is because they do make the piece.
00:44:53
Speaker
So the designers made the piece, the designer has made the sample and they have frogged so many times to make it fit perfectly. Now all of your testers are starting from scratch and they are trying to make your sample exactly the way that it needs to be made. And to me, that's where they're invaluable is because now they're starting from scratch and okay, where do we need to fix this as we go?
00:45:16
Speaker
And I find testers to be completely invaluable. And if somebody asks me, do I need to have this edited? Nine times out of 10, I'm going to tell them yes. Or have this tested. Have this tested. Nine times out of 10, I'm going to tell them yes. Yeah, definitely. There have been, like I said, there were times 15 years ago when I was doing this and it wasn't a thing as much. And I don't think, I don't even know if tech editing, I'm pretty sure it existed, but I don't think many people did it.
00:45:43
Speaker
Yeah, I think it was probably more in the magazine industry, yarn industry kind of thing than the actual... Individual, independent designers. Individual, yeah. The independent realm like it is now, because technology has come a long way in 15 years. And even from Ravelry, it's come a long way in 15 years. Oh heavens, yeah. There are tech editors that are available on an independent basis, like Lisa and I. And we can help the independent designers. Right.
00:46:13
Speaker
more excessively. I read an interesting book one time about fashion design and how the fashion designers themselves have actual tech editors. Because then when it goes to be to the cut people and all that they have to know what to do and it has to be precise. And that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. So I've seen that I've seen in the realm not long ago that there's actually tech editors for a lot of different
00:46:42
Speaker
industries you know so you know science and math and you know anywhere where you're putting anything down for people in the wild there's typically a tech editor of some forum to be able to go back and make sure that everything is correct and everything is on par yeah
Importance of Tech Editing
00:46:59
Speaker
i appreciate the tech editors especially and the testers because when i buy a pattern i'm confident if i know that it's been tech edited and tested i am confident that i will have a
00:47:17
Speaker
not necessarily restful, but a happy experience. Yes. Even if I'm learning, even if it's something I haven't ever attempted before. Yes. And even if you do get frustrated, it's because you're learning. It's not necessarily because of the pattern. Yes. And that's, and that's a valid. Yeah. That's a valid thing right there where, you know, we are doing, it does
00:47:37
Speaker
relieve stress as a maker because I'm the same way. If I'm buying a pattern, I would like to know that it makes sense. I would like to know that it has been tested and it does meet the standards of what the designer wants it to look like and do. And I want to make sure that it is going to fit me as a plus size. And unfortunately, finding some plus size makers is hard or plus size testers can be hard.
00:48:03
Speaker
Really? Yeah. Especially with the timeline. Between the timeline and then the cost of yarn. The amount of yarn. Yeah. Because you figure we've got to use how much yarn to... I'm at least 1600 yards for a crocheted sweater.
00:48:19
Speaker
Oh, girlfriend, I am at least that and more. Because I'm tall on top of big. Yeah, I'm not tall. Well, I mean, I'm tall-ish, but I'm fairly proportioned. No, I'm not. But I do make my stuffs longer. I usually have to use about 2,000 yards for a crochet sweater. Yeah, when they talk about a sweater amount. Because I make them longer. Yeah, yeah. I want them to cover that spot that I don't want anybody to look at.
00:48:45
Speaker
Yeah, I want to be able to bend over, you know, squat down and not have my jeans, you know, have that gap between my jeans and my sweater because it aggravates the smot out of me. But yeah, here's a silly question that I just thought of. What's up, balling out here. Do you think that this will ever become standard? I would love for it to. I would love for it to. But I think there's some people in the industry who
00:49:14
Speaker
They don't think it needs to be, or they think that they can't afford it. Whereas I can't speak for Lisa, but if somebody wants to work with me, we'll figure it out. I'm lucky that this is not my primary income. So I have a lot of leeway because this is not my primary income.
00:49:35
Speaker
If somebody wants to figure out how to barter something, we can figure it out. I think accessibility unfortunately prevents the editing portion. As far as the testing portion, I don't know. A lot of people are more willing to have it tested than tech edited, but some people will just go straight for tech editing and then be done. And you can go either way, but I'm always team both.
00:50:05
Speaker
I always think it's more complete and I think it's more universal and more accessible if it goes through both. Because in my way of thinking, which is not like anybody else's usually, it's like you're getting the best of both worlds. Exactly. You're getting the tech world. 100%. And then you're getting the real world. I know the tech world's a real world, but you know what I'm saying.
00:50:28
Speaker
But yeah, but you get the maker who's actually going to be making the pattern in the end and you want their input of, Hey, does this make sense? Hey, is this okay? You know, can you as an adventurous beginner or you as an experienced maker understand what I'm saying right here of yearning over twice, insert your hook, you know, pull up a loop and pull through all three, you know, kind of thing. So, um,
00:50:53
Speaker
I agree with you 1000% that you get the best of both worlds and that's to me why it's so important to do both. I do too. Now, that being said, just briefly, let's touch on different nationalities, cultures, that type of thing.
00:51:10
Speaker
Okay. That's always going to be different, but I know when we did talk to Ro, she mentioned how that she writes her patterns in English, in American English, because it doesn't translate well from her language.
00:51:26
Speaker
Correct. Yeah, she so she writes her patterns actually in US terminology, and then she uses British English. So it's, it's funny that, yeah, she writes it her her actual writing, like the actual physical writing is British English. And then she uses us terminology for her, for her abbreviations, the patterns. Oh, correct. So you know, and that cross is entertaining to me. And then like I mentioned before, I have an Irish designer,
00:51:51
Speaker
And she will actually use both. She uses both the UK and the US terminology, and then she writes in British English. Oh, fun. Yeah. I love the accessibility of listing both. Yes. As far as other designers, I know that there are
00:52:12
Speaker
one of the makers and I are trying to put together like a translation list for being able to translate in and out of different languages. And I know Lisa does, what does she say? She's got a Spanish, I think she said she's got a Spanish designer or something that she goes back. I know she's got an international designer that she goes through.
00:52:33
Speaker
corrects and translates or whatever, but... Well, I know when I was working with my Italian designer, she was strictly American that she wrote her patterns in. Yeah. And that's a preference. Some people, they do it as a... Because like Ro, most of her following is US, UK based.
00:52:57
Speaker
For me, in crochet, that's also why you have to differentiate what terminology you're using. Because if you're doing the international thing, you have to differentiate that way everybody knows what stuff they're supposed to use.
00:53:15
Speaker
Because I can imagine something technical like knit or crochet would be way more difficult to translate than like my books. I can have them translated into several different languages. Yeah, fairly easily. Words, it's just words. Yeah, it's words and you know the grammar is easy enough to change around and that kind of thing.
00:53:36
Speaker
Right. But I can't imagine the other. That's just crazy. It would depend. I would. I don't have a lot of experience with it, but I would imagine that it would be a little more difficult because, you know, breaking it down into the yarn over and that kind of thing and the linked trouble crochet. That's what I was trying to think of earlier, trying to describe a linked trouble crochet in, you know, Dutch or German would probably be very different than what we do in the US or UK. Right. So.
00:54:06
Speaker
Yeah, you would definitely need a tech editor in that language to make sure that it was correct. Right. Well, so what else do you got to tell us about this, Missy? I don't know that there's a whole lot left as far as like this little hour that we're taking, but I do very much advocate for both.
Advocacy for Testing and Editing
00:54:32
Speaker
I advocate for editing and testing. Do you know pretty much the percentage of people who do advocate for both? Is it a small amount or a large? I really don't. Like I said, I think part of it is an accessibility thing as far as getting with editors to have their stuff edited because they think they can't afford it. As far as testing or not testing, that might just be a time thing.
00:54:57
Speaker
or hey, I don't interact well with large groups kind of thing. But that's where you can ask somebody to help you out as a moderator.
00:55:07
Speaker
I don't, because there's a lot of designers or a lot of makers who are really good with the social thing and you talk to them, they could probably help you sort out the, because there's a lot of introverts. That's one thing that our craft is really good with is introverts. Hey, I don't have to talk to anybody. I can make my own shirt and be done with it. And if you want to design in the social, if it's the social aspect that's holding you back on having your stuff tested,
00:55:34
Speaker
I would say either find an extroverted friend who's really good with people that can help you with the groups or maybe ask your tech editor or ask, I can point you to a couple of different people who would be willing to do it. But I would say, see if you can find somebody to support.
00:55:54
Speaker
I can tell you right now that I had never heard of a moderator for testing until you mentioned it. There's not a lot of people who do it. That was one of those things that I started doing because I missed the social aspect of testing. Being an editor, I missed
00:56:10
Speaker
I miss that part. I enjoy testing. I don't have the time for it. So being a moderator, I still get the social aspect. I still get the interaction. I get to help make the pattern better. I love watching the creation from the designer's brain to how it comes out to the sample, to where it comes to me, then going through the testing process and then coming back to me. I love that whole journey. That brings me so much joy.
00:56:37
Speaker
watching, just watching the little seedling grow, you know, it's just to me, it's so much fun. And so that was how I got back into the testing thing without actually doing testing. But I still get to see it grow and I still get to interact. So maybe there's some listeners out there that might be interested in doing something they very well could. And if that's something that how do you do that?
00:57:00
Speaker
That was something that I just started advertising. Honestly, when I started doing the, because I had some friends that were when I was doing my little, I wasn't quite official with tech editing, but I was helping out kind of thing. I was their unofficial second in the chat. And if somebody had questions, I'd pop up and say, Hey, this is what it is, you know, and I would clarify the question or
00:57:21
Speaker
Hey, can you flag that on the pattern for her to come back to later kind of thing? And that's really all it is, is it's just being unofficial seconds or, or, you know, or if you're actually the moderator, you're being an official second, you know, and if somebody wants to do that, I say, you know, do it. And I would be happy to, you know, help them figure out what to do or, you know, happy to point people in that direction, you know, because there's been,
00:57:47
Speaker
I've had two other editors and another maker reach out to me and say, hey, how do you do this? What do you do? And I kind of word vomit all over them, unfortunately, because I love it. And I think it's necessary for the designer because it takes stress off of them. There's been one designer I've worked with that I moderated two of her chats last summer because she was so overwhelmed with life, she couldn't handle the chats.
00:58:11
Speaker
So I jumped up in there and I helped her with her chats and her patterns were all the better for it. So the makers get the responses that they need on the pattern. It takes some of the stress off of the designer for being solely responsible for responding to everything. And if the designer is overwhelmed with what's going on in the chat, then I pop out on an external chat with just the designer and I'm like, hey, person ABC has a question about this.
00:58:38
Speaker
Tell me and I'll relay it. And I've done that, you know, because they're like, Hey, I'm taking a break for the weekend. I'm not doing anything. But if it's something critical, I pop out independently. And I'm like, Hey,
00:58:48
Speaker
helped me explain this to me and I will relay. It actually worked out really great for her. It makes a lot of sense to me. That makes a lot of sense. I think there's a lot of people who could do it and I think there's a lot of people who would be really good at it. Like you said, they've never thought of doing it. No. Like I said, one of the makers that reached out to me a couple months ago, she was like, hey, this designer I work with a lot has asked me to do this. How do you go about it? I'm like, this is what I did.
00:59:17
Speaker
I've had a couple of other tech editors that they're like, Hey designer, you know, some of my clients are asking me and I'm like, this is what I do. You know, um, one of the virtual assistants that I've, um, I talked to, you know, she was, she was figuring it out on her own and we talked, you know, kind of touched on it and we, we do it very similarly. Um, but that was one of her responsibilities as she got hired. You know, me is just a completely separate thing. So, but I think there are, I think there are a lot of people that could do it.
00:59:45
Speaker
I think there are a lot of people that could find their way as an advocate or an intermediary for different positions in life all over the place. And I just never thought of applying it to this. Yeah. And it was funny because I put it up.
01:00:03
Speaker
Or was it? It was somewhere. And one of the designers that I moderate for, there was a designer that popped up. She was like, I've never even thought of having somebody help out in the chat. And one of the designers that I moderate for, she was like, girl, I will not have a chat without a second person in there anymore. It's a second set of eyes to make sure something's not missed. It takes some of the stress off of everything.
01:00:32
Speaker
it works out for everybody a lot better. So yeah, if there's makers out there, do it. So if there's listeners here that they could even contact you through Instagram email, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Even, even if it is our email, then it's what is it? Knit sleep, edit, repeat, I think Lisa's
Moderating Pattern Testing Chats
01:00:54
Speaker
blog. There we go. Or catch me on Instagram. I named it. Okay. It's knit edit sleep.
01:01:03
Speaker
No. Knit. I know the full name is Knit Design Edit Repeat. Knit Design Edit Sleep Repeat is what it is. There we go. But the email is Knit Design Edit. There you go. Showed you how often I actually look at it when I log in.
01:01:27
Speaker
But yeah, you know, especially if you're an extrovert who, you know, you enjoy interaction and you want to help support your introverted friends, that'd be a great way to do it. That's interesting. I think because there's a lot of introverts out there that they are just terrified to get into a group chat. Well, you know, and to run it and to run it is just they're definitely terrified. Wow. And but it's also something that's not so time consuming or intensive, like you said,
01:01:56
Speaker
Yeah, you know, and you still get to fun at the social aspect, you get to see the project grow, you get to, you know, still support all of your friends of, you know, of that kind of thing and be a part, you know, yeah.
01:02:10
Speaker
I do it as the editor because I've already looked at the pattern. I've already got a pretty good understanding of what the pattern looks like and how it's supposed to run. Can a general listener, general maker do it? Absolutely. You just have to make sure that you've got a good relationship with the designer. If you don't understand that the designer can explain it to you where you can relay it back. I think it would work. Okay. Anything else? I think that's it. You got anything else?
01:02:38
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Any other thoughts? I don't know. I wrote a couple of them down and I've already asked them. I like it. Well, I have had fun this hour. It's been a fast hour, so I'm glad we were able to do this. If anybody has any questions about any of this, they can reach out to either one of us. I know Lisa was looking forward to hearing us talk about this because she was like, I haven't ever tested, so this ought to be fun.
01:03:05
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You know, I would love to hear some testers input whether it's on our Facebook group or at one of us independently or through the email. I would love to hear their input on whether they want to be a moderator or what their thoughts are on timelines or
01:03:20
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Yeah. Will you pay more for a pattern to be tech edited and tested or? You know, on our Facebook group, I know we have a I can't remember her name. I feel so horrible about that. We have somebody running our Facebook group now instead of me. And you can put a poll up. Yeah. So maybe we should have her do that. Yeah. Maybe one of us should pop something up there about that because I can't think of her name either. She's an amazing being for doing the Facebook group. Yeah.
01:03:50
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I don't know. I'm so sorry. I'm awful. We're bad with names. We're great. We're bad with names. I was going to say, we have deficient noun disease. Okay. Leave us alone. Yeah. We've hit the time of day where we're done. I'm done. Yeah. But yeah, I'd love to definitely hear thoughts on testing versus editing.
01:04:12
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I think only the last thing coming back around to it that we talked about earlier is having it listed on the front. Me personally, I would love that to become an industry standard, where it is listed everywhere, whether it's been edited, tested, or both. In the listing, on the romancing page, in the IG posting, the Facebook posting, everything. I think it needs to be listed everywhere so that the maker knows what they're getting into.
01:04:38
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And most of the Ravelry ones where I've seen that it is listed, it's at the very bottom. It is a very bottom. It's in italics. Yeah. I would love for it to be a little bit further up maybe. Yeah. And especially on something like Ravelry or even
01:04:53
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Well, I guess I'd say it would be a little bit different or personal websites would be different, but I would love for it to be a check mark, especially on Ravelry and Ribbler and some, you know, Lovecraft and all that kind of thing. Has this pattern been edited? Yes. Has this pattern been tested? Yes. I would love for it to be a check box somewhere up there.
01:05:12
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where somewhere you know and even a filterable option like you know maybe that's a bit much because you know i'm actually well but it makes to me it makes sense it really does yeah i believe in being transparent so and that and to me that also justifies the price because if it is definitely a pattern
01:05:31
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Why are you asking me to pay, you know, $12 for a scarf or a shawl? Oh, because you've had it tested and edited. Okay, let's go. Yep. You know, to me, you tell me that right off the top next to the price all day long. I'm in. I'm good for it. Yep. No problem with it. Not at all. Yep.
01:05:49
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All right, Ms. Sparkle coordinator. I think it's time to go. Sweetie pie. Yes. I'm starting to get hungry. So I'm going to go find some food and go eat to bed, get some sleep and you, you as well. And I will catch up with you later. Okay, sweetie. Take care. All right. Bye bye.
01:06:06
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01:06:28
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