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Episode 39: Jacky Doyle
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I was able to sit and do an in-person interview with Jacky Doyle. She’s a very clever designer from Australia that works a lot in Double-Knitting.
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Introduction to the Fibercraft Podcast
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Welcome to Craft, Design, Edit, Sleep, Repeat with hosts Lisa Conway and Nikki Jensen. Listen as we take a deep dive into the business of fibercraft design.
Navigating Sound Quality: On-the-Road Recording
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Hey, sorry for the sound quality, but this was recorded live and on the road, so I didn't have all my equipment. It's still fun though.
A Knitter's Journey: Jackie Doyle's Story
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Hi again. Hi. I'm sitting here with Jackie Doyle. She is a resident of Hobart, Tasmania. I've been having an absolutely wonderful time with Jackie over the last two weeks.
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And I wanted to share with you Jackie's story. So Jackie, tell our listeners about how you started knitting and how you moved into the world of design. Well, I learnt to knit when I was a kid, like many of us did. But I always struggled with it because I was taught the sort of English throwing style that just never clicked. And then many years later, as an adult,
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I actually went, I was really interested in doing weaving and I managed to, through various rather different things. I ended up buying a loom and at the time I was living in Brisbane and I literally lived just around the corner from the Queensland Spinners Weavers and Fiber Artists headquarters and they had a Wednesday evening night out so I went along there to learn about weaving
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And when I was there, of course, they do all sorts of fiber arts, and a lot of them take eating because it's easily transported. And I saw these people digging in this different way, which was continental. So I decided to give that a go. And it all sort of clicked into place. I could get a rhythm going, which I could just never quite get with throwing.
Designing Patterns: From Hobby to Side Income
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So that's how I sort of got into, got back into knitting and getting, and then I guess like many of us with the advent of the internet and access to so many more patterns and information on the internet, I just sort of got interested. And then I was sort of looking at thinking, you know, what would be a way to be able to have a side income potentially
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of course have absolutely no income yet whatsoever, but that's beside the point. And I didn't want to, like a lot of friends were starting to get into dying and selling yarns. I didn't want to have a business that I had to maintain stock, because that's just there, you know, taking orders and sending it out. And I thought, well, designing patterns and putting the PDFs on the internet, you know, once you've done the pattern, you put it out there and hopefully people buy it and with the
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websites we have these days, you don't have to do much to maintain the sales. They just sort of happen. You have to market, but it's not like you have to sit and stock and pack orders and send them to post and all the rest of it. And then I just got along with sort of just, as I sort of then, well, how do I go about designing and learning about construction and ditching and thinking about, well, I want to do
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I want to do this and this. And so then it's just, I took myself down the rabbit hole of learning how to construct a design, to construct a pattern. And then also just sort of thinking, well, I want to do, I've got an idea, it looks like this, but how do I make that out of knitting? And so that's led me down some other paths. I've gone down,
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I decided I wanted to do a design for my brother. He's got a logo that's a Stag's head. And I actually saw a cable pattern in a book and went, oh, that looks like a Stag's head. I could do something like that for my brother, but I wanted to make it a little bit more. And then I thought about it. Oh, that'd be cool if it was contrasting colors on either side of a scarf. And that then took me down to the idea of trying to do cables in double knitting, which
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was another rabbit hole to go down and work out for myself because at that point in time, I couldn't found anybody who'd done it either. I've obviously since found more with Aidan Post Quinn, but at that point in time, I had to work it out for myself. And I don't say that I worked as the first to work it out. I'm sure plenty of people have worked it out for me, but I didn't find any references to it anyway that I can
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Right, that were readily available. Yeah, that I could follow and watch on YouTube or whatever.
The Art of Double Knitting and Unique Niches
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And so that's just it. So now it's just me, for me, designing now is that I'll see either a pattern, not necessarily a knitting pattern, but just a pattern, a design. Like in tiles. Yeah, any textures and anything like that. Just something that I will, and sometimes it is someone else's knitting pattern, I think,
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Oh, that'd be interesting, double knitted. How can I change that to become something that is double knitted, that is the color and the texture of knitting, but on the two sides? Or I'll have a specific thing, or I'll get some yarn, and I'll go, what do these yarns, I'll get two yarns that I think are fabulous together, and I'll go, and then let them tell me what I want my design to look like. They will say, I want to be this.
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and then I'll go through the process of playing with things to see how that comes out. Have you designed anything that isn't double knitting? Yeah, my first three designs, I think I've got three on the internet, on Ravelry. I've got at least two. Just lace knitting. The very first thing I did was just a triangular shawl and the second one was a
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a cow and I have three so I have three and I have a just a simple jumper up there as well. Yeah and um but you focus more on the double knitting now um yeah because it's just a bit of a niche there's so much people doing other stuff right it's just it's a bit of a niche um well because it's just I feel like it's something you're different
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Um, to give a point of difference from all the other stuff that's already out there. Cause we would all agree that if you look at rivalry and there's absolutely beautiful patterns on there, but there's also a lot of the same thing in slight variations, which is fine as well.
Intricacies of Knitting: Designing a Honeycomb Pattern
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But the hat pattern that I've partially edited is tumbling honeycomb honey, honeycomb, right.
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And that almost has the feel of a quilt to me, and the tumbling blocks quilt. That's why I was having trouble remembering. Yeah, yeah. So it's a honeycomb because it's the hexagons. Right. And also with the way that the textures are inside each of the hexagons, it also does look like those tumbling blocks. And that's what it very much reminds me of.
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almost feels like maybe that was some of the inspiration for it because of the... No, it really was more. That one was actually a pattern of another designer, the stitch design that I went, oh, I want to do this as a double knitted project. So I had to take that apart and work out how that was, how they'd constructed that stitch pattern and then how I would do that in double knitting. Right. And then how I would do that in
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managing the colors to get the textures and the contrast and to when to change colors as you move through sections so that you didn't have the blips, the trailing colors either side of things. Because there is both texture and color and the fact that it's the double knitted so it's reversible. I mean, there's a lot to that hat and that cowl.
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And when you really dig into it, there's a lot, a lot of really cool things happening with it that you just don't see everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. And it's simple things. And like, it's just, as I said, it's about deciding when to change the color so that you can do this. So what happens is there's a row of cables and it switches both from, um,
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normal stocking stitch to purl side stocking stitch under the cable but so that you don't get the previous color on the other side of the cable you need to switch the colors before and because the previous stitch is the one that goes under the cable so it's still and it was with the and with the increases it's working out how to do because there was particularly in the cow you transitioned back into a sort of a stripe
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And you have to think about how you're going to manage the increases so that you can switch colors. The original pattern used to knit front and backs, but that didn't work because I needed the first stitch to be one color and the second stitch to be another. So I had to stop and go, no, that's not going to work. How am I going to do this to get the colors that I want in the right place? So that it would flow nicely into the colors that you want.
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And you do look at it from an almost engineering standpoint, I think sometimes. The way you talk about it and the way you talk about your process is very analytical. Yes, very structured and analytical and I like things to be really well resolved like that.
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We've discussed, and I won't say names, but we've discussed many times how other certain very popular designers are very intuitive designers, which is wonderful and brilliant. I know that, but they don't come back and resolve some of the ear parts of their pattern. And I find that really irritating because... You get to that point in a pattern and you're like, but it could have been done better. Better, yeah. It could have been better. It could have been just that step.
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So to me, it would just take it that from an A grade pattern to an A plus pattern, which would then actually be really deserving of that person's fame and, and, and, and everyone, you know, right. Lordy played, Lordy, Lord, it's on them. And those of us who are declared knit nerds that we like to talk for hours about how the stitches go together and how
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you move from one to another and how that affects what you see. Yes. Which people we do. Don't we? What are you talking about? So when did you actually start designing? How long ago? Oh, that's a good question. Um. Um.
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Where are we now? 2023, probably about five or six years ago. Okay. Yeah. Um, yeah, probably I'd have to go back to where I wanted to see what I was. Yeah, but that's wrong enough. That's good enough. Um, and what's it going to ask you?
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Well, so do you have designers that you would account as major inspiration? Or is your inspiration just from stuff around you? It's a bit about obviously, I think, you know, people like Nathan, um, a definite inspirations, but no, no one particular, um, more, but more from that,
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from that perspective of the conversation around the knitting, not so much showing, oh, I like your thing, I'm gonna copy it. And to me, it's about seeing something and going, oh, that would look good in. How could I do that in?
Inspiration Beyond Yarn: Arts and Architecture
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So that it's taking something and stretching that next step. So no, I don't know that there'd be anyone who's particularly a
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You know influence I think yes, I just take it from the world around me And yeah, and I guess there's also that I don't want to know I know what it goes into designing so I don't want to I
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I'm not saying that you would copy them or anything. As I said, you do see something will come up in the eating world and that'll be really popular and fashionable. So everybody does their version of that. Right. And there's enough people doing that. Right. You don't need to do that. So when you are
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And to be honest, the things I find from other knitters more than anything is them seeing things, people do things and going, not my thing, not my taste. Right. And I think that's just as important for us in our influences is understanding what doesn't float our boat. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Because that's just as, yeah, I think that's just as important.
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You are an artist in many other ways, your leather work and your weaving and your spinning and other things like that. Where do you find you look for inspiration? Do you, is it just your everyday life or do you like, do you look at architecture? Do you? I think I look at everything. I've always just love
Knitting is Practice: Challenging Perceptions
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I like photography as well, and one of the things for me, photography, it's either I'm zeroing right down in onto the fine details and the patterns and the abstract of those patterns out of the hole, or I'm going for the big wide landscape that captures the massive skies we have here in Australia. Or I do, yeah, search for me, it's about how shapes and colors
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move go together to make things. Um, I love the Japanese aesthetic things like, um, he was showed you and the, and the woodcut prints. I love, um, William Morris and the arts and crafts movement, um, into the sort of art nouveau that natural things, but also geometric things. Um, and then how color plays in that.
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I think that's why I get a sense of the almost architectural influence. Yeah, definitely. Because it's the way you see shape and color and how they mix. Yeah. In what I've seen you do. Yes, definitely. Definitely. It's about how to use both of those things to create a whole.
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Right. And that is that comes through. That definitely comes through in what I've watched you create because you were talking about the double knitted cables and the things you've done with double knitted cables. The first time I saw what was it it was the two color cable that Yeah, yeah, the first scarf that I did that blew my mind because it never had occurred to me
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that it could be so easily done in double knitting. Yeah, and that's the thing. It's the thing that frustrates me with knitting and what comments you see in knitting all the time is, oh, I could never do that. That's too hard. You know, the number of people says, oh, when I get better, when I get more expert, I'll try cables. And I'm just like, all you're doing is rearranging stitches. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's the difficulty of making sure you rearrange them around the right way. But that's just reading your pattern. And believe me,
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We all get that. We all get them. It should be a front cross and you do a back cross. That's just... Yeah, we just all do that. Yes. There is nothing in knitting that is hard to do. There are some stitches because you're doing a five into one knit together or something that's
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can be tricky sometimes because you're just trying to do a lot in a small space. They're deadly. Yeah. But as Nathan says, and as a lot of other people say, I mean, Sandy Peters is another one that says something similar. Age is fun. One stitch at a time. It's just supposed to be relaxing. I see so many people tense and nervous about knitting. And I'm like, what's the worst that's going to happen? You've sat and enjoyed yourself knitting for a while and you don't like the thing.
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You rip it out and you use the yarn for something else, and you get twice the pleasure of that yarn. People need to relax more and just one stitch at a time, follow the pattern. Hopefully it's a well-written pattern, and it will be easy to follow. And even if you make a mistake, it's not the end of the world, because... I'm going to start again.
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Yeah, it's really easy to redo. It's not like painting where once you put the paint on the page, that paint's gone. You've used that material, that expensive material. I'd love to paint, but I do have a genuine fear of using the material.
Sustainability in Fiber Arts: Reusability and Ethics
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I have that with other things. I think that your leather works.
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is another one where I would have a problem. I sit in here and bought that beautiful leather last week, and I'm like, I don't want to cut this. It's going to sit there for a few months before I decide what to do with any of that, because I don't want to waste it. Right. Yeah, exactly. Whereas yarn is real easy to reuse. Yeah, I like it. Rip it out. Yeah, even my spinning
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If I'm not real happy with the way a spin is going, I'm not getting the right diameter or whatever. There are ways to fix that. And you know what? If you use natural fibers and you really don't like it and there's nothing you can do to save it, you can compost it. Yes. And people will have a heart attack about me saying that, but you know what? It's still useful. And it's all renewable. Yeah, it's still useful. You know, fiber is one of those things that there's going to always be more of. Yeah. Right? Yeah.
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So what advice would you give to someone that is thinking about designing? There's lots of books out there about how to design, about stitches, about snorkels, shapes. There's lots of resources. Do a bit of reading.
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Have a look around things and decide what it is that you like and what speaks to you. Because those, no point trying to design something. Because you think it's fashionable or it's what's gonna sell. Design what you like. If it's lacy shawls, go for it. Keep it simple. Because I'm stupid.
00:21:05
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Um, no, you're not. Um, remember that. Yeah. And just do what you like. Yarns you like to work with and design things that you'd want to knit. Cause first of all, you've got to knit the damn thing to get it. So a sample stage and to work out the pattern. And that's the bit that takes me the longest cause you know,
Streamlining Design: Utilizing Sample Knitters
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Even though I continental it, I can still really slow. Um, and if you're going to do an all over Lacey Patton on a triangular shawl, that takes forever. I've had some great ideas for a series of schools and I never got them finished because just getting the thing knitted was driving me back to your board. So design what you'd want to knit. I probably use the key, but then also just sit down and then find some things that are similar and
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have a look at how they're constructed and knit them until you learn how they're constructed. To me, knitting things, I struggle to finish things because once I've worked it out, I'm like, oh yeah, okay, I've worked it out now and the problem's solved. So then the sitting and knitting is like, um,
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Okay, it's supposed to be fun. Yeah, exactly. And to me the fun part is solving the problem. How does this work and how does this go together? What you need is a sample knitter. Yes. You figure it out, you write it down, and you have someone else knit it for you. Yeah. Or as I've decided recently, I'm only going to design hats and cowls because they're reasonably short and I can get them done.
00:22:47
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Unlike the long scarf. There will be no schlenkitz. They're coming out of my world. Because life's too short to knit that sort of shit. I'm trying to think. Where can people find you? At the moment, I'm taking them on my website because it was because of the money I didn't have. So I did need to get that back up.
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You can find me on Ravelry, Snowflake Fiber Arts. You can find me on Instagram and Facebook as both of those. I don't post super often because you've got to have something worth posting about. But yeah, those are the places to find me. If someone was interested in test knitting for you, for example, would you prefer a DM through Instagram or Ravelry or
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Um, I'd say actually probably Ravelry. Um, cause Instagram, you just don't know whether people are real or not. Um, yeah. Um, yeah. If you're, I've got a few people that are, that are testing for me. So that's great. Um, but yeah, if anyone wants to get in touch, yeah, probably easiest is best is true Ravelry. Cause it's less likely to consider that it's spam.
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That's a great idea.
Balancing Act: Day Jobs and Creative Pursuits
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And did you get the pattern so that I can take it with me and get it finished? Yeah, the thing I've got to finish up with getting that one out is because the cables, there's very little out there on how to do the cables. I'm trying to put the instructions together so that people can buy this pattern that's got this new to them technique in it. Believe me, I understand. Yeah.
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And so I've got the pattern ready to go and I might just release that anyway and then get the instructions out. And I've got the instructions sort of about 75, 80% of the way there. So it's just, I've got to pull my finger out and do that. I struggle at the minute cause I'm very busy at work. So by the time I get home, my mental spaces,
00:25:05
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Yeah. And your, your, your daytime job, it does take a lot of mental space. Yes. So yeah. Yeah. So, um, so we'll get there. Okay. We'll get there. I know there's another question I'm supposed to ask you, but I can't think of what it is. Cause this is going really fast and it shouldn't happen. Believe me, we could sit and talk knitting all day. And then when we want to record, it all goes out there in the
00:25:36
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It doesn't have to be a long episode, it just has to be a good one and I think this is a good one. What do you want to design next? You've been working on the tumbling honeycombs and you've got both the cowl and the hat. And those should be coming out before too long.
00:25:56
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Um, are you going to write up the, uh, rainbow cable or is that just for you? No, no, I want to get that one written up. Um, that one's a little bit harder because that one throws in some, um, double knitted in tarsier into the mix as well. Um, you know, if you're going to do these things, do them properly. Um, but I wanted to try and get that one out this year because it is, um,
00:26:19
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nominally titled Dark Side of the Moon. It's inspired by the cover of Dark Side of the Moon. And of course, this is the 50th year of Dark Side of the Moon. So I can expect that one in my inbox soon. Probably possibly this. Yeah. Yeah. So yes. So I mean, as it's, you know, just about October and that means I've got three months of this year left. Right.
00:26:47
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But it was going to be a scarf and recently it told me it was becoming a cow or I told it it was becoming a cow because otherwise it was probably going to be another 10 years before I finished painting it that scarf length. It is double knitted in total. Changing through. Well, if you count both sides of background,
00:27:12
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changing through eight pairs of colors. Right. It is gorgeous. I have to say that that one is also really a fascinating possibility. Anything else that you've got that's tumbling around in that brain of yours? Um, a few things. I've got some new yarn recently from our good friends, Julie and Paul, um, Harney Hawleys. Um, so I'm working
00:27:40
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that's sort of sitting there marinating about what he wants to be. So, just working my way through some various ideas, getting over this cold that... That I gave her. Yeah. Well, we still haven't decided whether it was me that brought it in or your brother, so... Both of you. I think it was both, but at the same time. You're both involved. I don't care. You can take it back.
00:28:08
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I told you right along. I feel really bad. Um, so yeah, no, just it. Yeah. I'm. Ideas marinating. Yeah. Really come to the surface yet. No, no, I've just done a little bit of playing with a couple of things. Um, and then it's a case of sitting down and seeing how they actually work in, in, in reality and how they match up to what I've put in the computer.
00:28:38
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Okay.
Tools of the Trade: Digital Aids for Designers
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Well, um, favorite software. Um, so I was a combination of stitch mastery. I often use stitch mastery just for basic, um, knitting, putting things in place, seeing how things fit together, checking counts of stitches and things like that. But then to do my actual charts, I use, um, um, affinity designer.
00:29:09
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because I've had to come up with new symbols to make the cables work to show the colours and how the colours interact. Stitcher Master, you can't cope with a cable that's got two colours in it. No, we can't. So I've had to spend a fair bit of time just getting symbols worked out. Yeah.
00:29:35
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Yeah, and then I use other parts, and then I use Affinity Publisher for my actual page layout. So yeah, they're the ones that... I have to say that I'm really happy with that purchase. I've been, I've balanced for
00:29:53
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a good eight months or more on the idea of getting it. And I got it shortly before the trip and I just absolutely loved it. Yeah. Yeah. I, I wanted to get away from Adobe if quite a few, a few years ago now, cause just the cost was having to pay. I only wanted, you know, Photoshop, um, whatever the, um, drawing program is, I can't remember now, um, but I only wanted two or three of their programs. I didn't want to buy all 20.
00:30:24
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things and to do that would cost you just as much as the full subscription. Yeah. Because the individuals are just, and it was just, it's just nowhere. And it was just that whole subscription model of pay for something that if you don't use it for months because you're busy and you can't get to it, you know, it's the same. It's the same with Microsoft. I know I invested myself of Microsoft as well. Um, and I'm just using, I use, I work on a Mac, um, uh,
00:30:54
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And I've just started using pages and numbers and Google Docs because I'm just sick of pain. You can't just buy a license anymore that you just, you know, you've got to pay the subscription. Yeah. That whole subscription model bugs
Inspiration and Originality in Knitting Design
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me. Yeah. I just feel like it's just this whole way of them just getting money constantly for not actually doing anything. Yeah. And your favorite stitch dictionary. Oh God.
00:31:21
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Don't know that I've got a single favorite. I've got a few various ones that I have, but I tend to... It depends on what I need. You'll often use a combination to get informed what I want, and then I'll adjust it from there to what I actually... I'll use a dictionary to give me an idea of how I'm gonna step a cable to get the angle I want.
00:31:51
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but from there then I'll play with it and so I wouldn't say I have a favorite. They're just all a stack of books to look through and one day I'll use something for the love. And like you said, you end up pulling from this one and then adding something from that one. Yeah, definitely. Because you don't
00:32:17
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just based, design based around a stitch, you know, design based on the shape and color that you want to get. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So, but sometimes it can be nice to figure out if somebody's got a favorite. I'm still trying to build my stitch, stitch dictionary library.
00:32:38
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because that's not something I've traditionally used much of. And now I'm finding that's what I really want more than anything. Yeah, I find frustrating. I find knitting books frustrating. Any how-to books are at the, the vast majority of how-to books are at an introductory level, which is fine because that's where most people want it. I often want more detailed information.
00:33:08
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So there's not a lot of books that go to that next step. Right. Um, or there's six dictionaries, but I'm finding that a lot of those now are becoming quite repetitive. Um, once you've got X number of six, you probably covered most things and I don't need 10 Japanese dictionaries. I think I've got two that covers. Yeah, I think I've got two and that's probably the only one that really. Pretty well covers most of what those you're going to cover most things that you want. Um,
00:33:38
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And then patent books, again, frustrating, I think at times, and I've come across this in terms of thinking about planning to write a book around double-headed cables. I think sometimes books come up with a patent just so they can fill the space in the book because they feel like they need X number of patents. Or they're trying to have a range of patents to cover a
00:34:08
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wide group of people who appeal to as many people as possible. Right. So. Well, books are getting harder to sell. Yeah. And in our digital age where you can buy a single pattern to buy a book of patterns when you're only going to use one of them. Yeah. And a lot of people are really getting to the point where so for books, you know, to have on a shelf,
00:34:38
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I want the ones that are going to teach me new techniques, like Nathan's double knitting, new double knitting book, Demystifying Double Knitting. That one I really wanted because I knew there were techniques in it. Yes, yes. And even I look at that and use that as a reference to help me explain how I'm doing things. And because it's still an expanding technique for me. As I said to him, I may or may not have.
00:35:06
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looked at his pictures and then very, very similar photographs for my own instructions on certain techniques. I may or may not have looked at his videos and tried to duplicate them very badly. Don't talk about me like that. Because the other thing is too, for me, it's like if I'm putting something out there, particularly if it's a newish technique or something that's a bit different to what's already available,
00:35:35
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There's two sides. One, I should give you the information, but two, I'm selfish. I want to keep you in my world and give you the information. So if you're going to have to click through to a video link, you're going to click through my video link that's branded with me on it because then you also might find something else to do. You might buy that. So whilst it's also me helping you, it's also trying to keep you with my world so you don't go off and buy someone else's pattern.
00:35:58
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I guess I'm not that selfish. I just happen to know that my video isn't as good as his. In my video, I have a link to his just so that you can get a second opinion. Yeah, absolutely. And I'll absolutely say in my book, you know, reference, you know, these are my references, these are my, yeah, because people should, you know, none of us, I had to work
00:36:25
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I've done many cables out to myself, but as I said many, many times, I am not the first person to have done this. No. I've since found out, a couple of others, you know, even Nathan had done a small amount of cables before, but he'd only done one stitch cables, you know, one by one cables. But that helped. That still helped me work out what I needed to do for two and three cables. And he's now actually duplicated your cable
00:36:54
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not in a pattern that he is releasing, but because he wanted to see how it worked. Yeah. So he did his own version of it. Yeah. But that, now that was a slightly different pattern that he did the blue. Well, yeah, because he did, he, he used your idea for the two color cable and then he borrowed the yarns on the side, which he did not do. Yeah. Yeah. And he did the cables a little bit differently in the actual cable.
00:37:20
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And then also we liked my offset. But it was your idea to begin with and he admitted and he stole it from you. Yes, absolutely. Might have had a little bit of a moment when I saw that on the video. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, it always feels good, doesn't it? Yeah. I thought, oh, that's me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Experimentation in Knitting: Finding Your Style
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I really hope that, um,
00:37:53
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What I hope people take away from this podcast, and not just this episode, but all of my episodes, is look at the world around you. Figure out what speaks to you. Translate that into your knitting and then share it. And because we can all see something different. Absolutely. And don't limit yourself. I see so many people in this world go,
00:38:23
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I could never do that. And maybe you can't, but you don't know if you don't try. And things are much easier. And if you try something and the way it was explained to you doesn't work, find another. In this day and age, if you go on YouTube and find a video and it doesn't make sense, find another one. Someone else has another video that will
00:38:47
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If you search for a knitting technique, you're going to get 20 different versions. And there'll be one there that'll help you. Yeah. And one of them is going to put it in the language that your brain accepts. Exactly. Because everyone's brain works differently. You know, everyone, I looked with you the other day with the Genesis and the way Nathan had his chart. You know, it was such a... And as I said to you, it was going to be that there's just a
00:39:15
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lost in translation between what he means and what your, what my brain was taking in. And it was, and it was just like, why? And I kept saying to him, I know I'm doing something wrong. What am I doing something? What am I doing wrong? And it was because I'm so used to doing the double knitting in the round, my brain just wouldn't reverse it for the flat.
Conclusion: Wrapping Up with Gratitude
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Yeah. Yeah. And so you've just, and so it's just like, yeah. Yeah.
00:39:43
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And now that I've got it, I've got it. And I still have to really think that that row coming back because I have to tell myself, okay, dark means light first, dark second, you know, versus
00:39:59
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dark first, light second, I have to walk myself. And that's why I kept having to back up at the knit group. There was so much chat that my brain wasn't here. Yeah, there's knitting you can do in social WhatsApp settings, and there's knitting you can't. And I really needed a sock project. But that's okay. I've met some really wonderful knitting friends of yours over this last two weeks, and I want to thank you for every minute of it. That's right, my pleasure.
00:40:28
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Well, thank you for taking the time for this as well, especially knowing you don't feel well. I feel better than I did. And hopefully it'll continue. Yes. Well, thank you for joining us. I will be back next month with something new and exciting. Don't know what it is yet, but I'll be here.
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