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Healing Mold Toxicity with Dr. Davina Soernssen - E91
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What if the real reason behind your fatigue, migraines, or chronic pain has been hiding in plain sight all along?
Why do so many people struggle for years without clear answers?
For many, symptoms like low energy, brain fog, and persistent pain become a frustrating cycle of specialist visits and short-term fixes. Yet hidden drivers such as mold toxicity and chronic, unresolved infections often go undetected - quietly undermining health while conventional treatments fail to address the root cause.
In this episode, we unpack how these stealth factors disrupt your body at a cellular level, and explore tools used to identify and eliminate them. From advanced testing and precision protocols to restoring mitochondrial function and reducing inflammation, this conversation reveals what it truly takes to rebuild energy, resilience, and long-term vitality.
Davina Soernssen is a doctorate-trained nurse practitioner and functional medicine clinician with over 30 years of experience in clinical practice and health education. She specializes in longevity, cellular health, and regenerative medicine, combining conventional and systems-based approaches to address root causes of disease. As founder of Clinical Edge Cellular Medicine, she focuses on optimizing mitochondrial function, reducing inflammation, and supporting the body’s natural healing through personalized, data-driven care. Passionate about redefining aging, she empowers individuals to achieve long-term vitality through nutrition, movement, and lifestyle practices that enhance cellular health and resilience.
“You can't get rid of or clear that mycotoxin unless you kill the spore. You kill the spore and the mycotoxins stop producing and they disappear.” - Dr. Davina Soernssen
In this episode you will learn:
- Why mold exposure is often behind hidden health issues, including POTS and mast cell activation.
- How to identify mold toxicity using the My MycoLab blood test, not standard urine tests.
- The vitamin and supplement protocols that support cell health and boost recovery from toxins.
- Why generic antifungal drugs, especially itraconazole, are the key to clearing mold from the body.
- Steps to find and remove the true source of mold exposure in your home or environment.
- How stem cell therapy may help boost recovery, energy, and longevity after toxic exposure.
Resources
- Connect with Dr. Soernssen on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/digiacomosoernssen
- Link with her on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/davina.a.digiacomo
- Learn more about her practice, Clinical Edge Cellular Medicine: https://www.clinicaledgehealth.com
This podcast was produced by the team at Zapods Podcast Agency:
https://www.zapods.com
Find the products, practices, and routines discussed on the Alively website:
https://alively.com
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Transcript
Hidden Health Issues: Mold and Mycotoxins
00:00:00
Speaker
So let's talk about mold because it seems to be this hidden one. And it seems to be the culprit that's causing this POTS syndrome and mast cell activation syndrome. And I'm all on all these, you know, Facebook pages and people don't get it. That's probably the underlying cause are these overwhelming mycotoxins because they can't clear unless you use itraconazole.
Introduction with Dr. Sorensen
00:00:25
Speaker
This is the Home of Health Spam podcast, where we profile health and wellness role models, sharing their stories and the tools, practices, and routines they use to live a lively life.
00:00:38
Speaker
Dr. Sorensen, welcome to the Home of Health Spam podcast.
Dr. Sorensen's Journey with Mold and Lyme Disease
00:00:42
Speaker
Thank you. I'm excited to be here. I can't wait to see what we talk about today. This is going to be exciting. And I'm going to learn just as much, I think, as I'm going to be able to share to other people.
00:00:53
Speaker
Wonderful. Yeah, and I am looking forward. I have some very specific personal questions that hopefully will be relevant to the listeners as well. So I'm very much looking forward to it But before we jump into that, how would you describe yourself?
00:01:05
Speaker
I'm a lively healer. I think from a little girl, I always wanted to help people. Of all ages. And I definitely, um, I'm doing that right now.
00:01:17
Speaker
I started with my own family and friends and it's sort of expanded. Amazing. Okay. yeah Yeah. I mean, can you say a little mit bit ah more about that? So starting with your own family and friends, what what do you mean by that? Oh my gosh. I have so many testimonials to share with you. So many exciting things. My own story.
00:01:35
Speaker
I was sick for nine years, like six, sick, sick When I got out of bed, my head was banging, my joints hurt, I was fatigued. But before that, I ran marathons.
00:01:49
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Before that, I did shows, you know, like was on stage bodybuilding. And so I couldn't quite figure out what was going on.
Mold's Impact on Chronic Health
00:01:58
Speaker
But it turned out that I was working in a moldy environment at the same time that I wound up getting a tick bite, being treated for Lyme and Never got better. I just never got better. No one could help me. At the time I was in health care, I was a nursing supervisor and an educator working in a trach and vent facility.
00:02:20
Speaker
As you can imagine, it's very, you know, moist in there. And I can't imagine any facility being without mold. But this particular facility was built in an age where they were just discovering how to make things airtight.
00:02:33
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And it was a terrible situation. So lot of the people were sick that worked there. And there was always buzzwords talking back and forth about, you know, who had what and what was going on.
00:02:44
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I never put it together. i didn't put it together for nine years. And I kept thinking I had chronic Lyme. I had kept treating my chronic Lyme. Well, here i was working in family medicine at towards the end of that nine years at Cooper as a family nurse practitioner.
00:03:01
Speaker
And I wasn't able to help any of my patients either. i was juggling 19 different medications. Nobody was really getting better. I knew though, Andrew, there was something to do with the way they ate, right? Because whenever I ate super clean, I felt my best, which is still not good enough, you know?
00:03:22
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So I left traditional medicine and I got functionally trained with the IFM, right? You're you're know you're familiar with them. And opened up my own clinic. And I've been anti-aging at the cellular level ever since.
00:03:36
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And I've been able to peel back toxins and replacing and replenishing the electrons around cells, which, you know, frees up all the free radicals and people are getting better.
00:03:47
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And it's that same same process that I was taught in functional medicine. But the end game is different for everybody, right? and And in the meantime, people are different.
00:03:57
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they They express things differently. They express oxidative stress differently. it depends on their genetic pathways.
Testing for Mold Toxicity
00:04:03
Speaker
There's a lot I want to dig in on there, um but I'd like to start with the mold toxicity piece. So I have had GI issues as long as I can remember, right? At least three decades, maybe more.
00:04:17
Speaker
And my sister does and my mom does and all her siblings do. And no one's ever, my mom was a physician. She was a pediatric hematologist oncologist, not like she's not trained in medicine, but nobody's ever been able to figure it out. And I started working with a functional medicine doctor,
00:04:33
Speaker
And then we had layered on a mold test as part of the function. And it was like, there was a toxic level and then mine was 10 X that. And I, in Bermuda, it's incredibly humid, incredibly, which can be good for your skin, but the house is, I mean, it's bursting out. You always, every year you have to scrape the paint and then repaint because there's just mold coming in all over the house. And my daughter is having lung issues now.
00:04:57
Speaker
And what the, the functional medicine doctors share with me is it's something like 70 X percent of people can clear mold from their system, but there's some percentage like 22% or something that, you that it's like a genetic defect. You just can't clear it.
00:05:14
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And so there was one thing of maybe being in the environment, but that, that may have been like the tipping point later. if If I've had this issue kind of my whole life and my whole family does, maybe there's all mold in most people's environment, but at a certain level, the normal person can clear it.
00:05:30
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So I don't agree with one gene, that one theory, you know, in our clinic anyway, we do a test called three by four genetics. that tests about 156
Treating Mold Toxicity with Itraconazole
00:05:41
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genes that have to do with the way your body handles detoxification, methylation, and inflammation. So I think it's lots of genes. you know The 5-MDHF-Jardina is not the only gene out there that has to do with methylation, right?
00:05:54
Speaker
You've got the COMF gene that has to do with you know secondary detoxification. And I think that if you are... deficient in some of those pathways, you really do need to help support it with some sort of supplement and lifestyle change in order to be able to clear the toxins. So I don't think it's any one thing.
00:06:11
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So I thought that I originally had chronic g Lyme, like I was saying. Well, fast forward nine years later, after I tested my gut microbiome, I found out that I had small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. I still didn't make the connection to mold.
00:06:25
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It didn't come up yet. Is that SIBO? Right. Yeah. And so when I did fix my SIBO with metronidazole on day seven, Andrew, my legs woke up.
00:06:36
Speaker
I was able to go outside and play soccer with my family and my life just changed from there. Whereas before I couldn't even walk up the end of my street. And now remember before that I was a marathon runner.
00:06:48
Speaker
So this shouldn't have happened. Right. So I peeled off some endotoxins and that's one layer. So we have so much oxidative stress. It really does start with infectious disease. You've got bacteria, you've got fungi, you've got parasites, you've got viruses.
00:07:04
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And most of them are in your oral gut microbiome. And we're eating crap filled with pesticides, herbicides, glyphosate. My husband's glyphosate was through the roof, you know, and plastics and everything else. And then you're breathing in all of the toxins, plus the heavy metals that really can't be cleared unless you chelate them out.
00:07:27
Speaker
right? And then the mycotoxins. So let's talk about mold because it seems to be this hidden one. And it seems to be the culprit that's causing this POTS syndrome and mast cell activation syndrome. And I'm on all these, you know, Facebook pages and people don't get it. That's probably the underlying cause are these overwhelming mycotoxins because they can't clear unless you use itraconazole.
00:07:53
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So there are urine tests out there I don't use them. I don't want to know what your body is clearing out.
00:08:04
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I want to know what's in there, what's stuck in there causing your problem, like the gliotoxin that caused five lesions in my brain. So there is one test called my MycoLab and is the only one that the CDC recognizes. it It is a blood test. So when you order the kit, you do have to have someone with a centrifuge be able but to draw it down, draw off the serum, and then send out the lab. And it takes about 14 days to come back. But it's not measuring molds.
00:08:31
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It's measuring your body's IgG and IgE response to the mycotoxins that the environmental molds you're breathing in are causing.
00:08:43
Speaker
So we have mold all around us, right? There's mold outside. It's free flowing. The spores are not really those aren't the ones that are dangerous. It's the environmental molds caused from water damaged buildings, moist places, maybe pool areas. So the bigger the pool area, the better. I know I had concerns because my son also swims. And, you know, obviously that's a concern for me, but I love the sport.
00:09:08
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um Until recently, he decided he's going to be a Messi and now he's just soccer, soccer, soccer. So I don't know. I'm going to beg for him to at least do summer swim. But um so it it really is in what your you're breathing around you and where you're sleeping and where you spend the most time, because these might we know that there's at least 14 that are really detrimental to humans.
00:09:32
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they They're carcinogenic. They attack your glio cells. They're really bad. And so you're measuring mycotoxins, your body's IgG long-term response to creating IgG or immunity, ah antibodies per se, against these mycotoxins. And that's really the only test that I use.
00:09:56
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Can i ask, the
Itraconazole's Effectiveness: Personal Stories
00:09:57
Speaker
test itself, it's a blood draw or what how do you do the test? It is a blood draw. It goes into a serum separator. We centrifuge it down and then we pull off um the white part, the plasma part, and that's what gets sent out to the lab.
00:10:13
Speaker
Okay. So then this is the identification side. first we identify, then i guess there needs to be the treatment protocol from there. And so what does that treatment? And then finally, I'd like to get back to prevention going forward. So you got all this, we got it out. How do we not get it back in again? Because we don't want to have to treat stuff constantly. We want to just be healthy. So, but let's start with the treatment. Let's fix Once we have the problem, let's fix it. And then let's talk about how do we stop getting the problem again?
00:10:41
Speaker
So I've tried other protocols with patients before, and this was before I knew that i mold toxicity was even a piece of the puzzle with me. okay And so they didn't really work. The binders, the herbs, it didn't really work. Some people felt better because they were feeling better from pulling off, I think, other endotoxins or other types of toxins.
00:11:02
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But it doesn't work for mycotoxins. Yeah, i used cholesteriamine... That's a bile type of, you know, um kind of like a charcoal or a binder. Right.
00:11:15
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And it's more safe than using charcoal, per se, because you're not going to really bind up a lot of the heavy metals that you're consuming because you have to be careful with that. Right. You're going to have to replace that. But you're also binding some other key things. Like if you're on expensive supplements and stuff like that might not be worth it.
00:11:31
Speaker
But to truly get rid of the mycotoxin, you have to kill the spore. Okay. So the spores that you're inhaling, they're two microns thick.
00:11:43
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Your hair is 100 microns thick. The spores are like seeds. You know, when you were little or maybe now um you you blow on a dandelion and the seeds go everywhere and you make a wish. Right. So these spores are being generated from these environmental molds that are two microns thick.
00:12:02
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Attached to that is a mycotoxin. The mycotoxin that they're throwing off, they're 0.1 microns thick. That's the size of the COVID virus.
00:12:14
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OK, can't get rid of or clear that mycotoxin unless you kill the spore. You kill the spore and the mycotoxins stop producing and they disappear and you can clear them without binders.
Success Stories and Health Improvements
00:12:28
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And they reproduce in your body if you don't kill them. Yes. So let's start with that, because even though I was exposed. So I let's go way back. My first migraine was at five years of age.
00:12:41
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I grew up in a Collingswood home with a terrible basement. Then we moved to a terrible basement again, old style, yardly, you know, farm home. OK, moved out of that. I realized and recognized that every single thing I ate from a box bag in a can would trigger a migraine, specifically Campbell's soups, everything.
00:13:08
Speaker
So that's how I managed my life. And I was able to run marathons and get through. It wasn't until I was retoxed spilled over right at the age of 39, 40, right after having my child got bit by a tick all at once, new job at this facility with really bad mold. Like it, I have pictures. It's terrible. I'll show you off camera. So anyway, I'm still trying to get nurses out of there to this day.
00:13:37
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They're also anybody out of there. Get everybody out. there Believe me, I'm trying. Yeah. When I realized that mold was even a piece of the puzzle, I started looking at other ways because nothing was working. And I was trying everything holistically, whatever I could find, all of the protocols. I ran into Dr. Campbell, super smart, toxicologist, been around doing this for 30 years He's over 80 years old. He has his own podcast, My Michael Lab.
00:14:11
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And everything, you know, he's science-based, which I appreciate. still work for Rutgers Institute. You know, i teach and big on studies myself. So I was impressed by the data and that he showed.
00:14:22
Speaker
Itroconazole is an antifungal, but it's the only one that kills the whole spectrum. So you've this fungi spectrum. Yeasts are single cellular over here.
00:14:33
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Molds are multicellular way up here. And they can actually have biofilms. Okay. So itroconazole is the generic brand name, but the brand name is Spornox. It's been used for so many years. It's very safe, but it takes about six months, six months.
00:14:52
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Now, other mold protocols take years, years before someone is
Holistic Health: Vitamins and Lifestyle Changes
00:14:58
Speaker
completely cleared. So six months of that with some specific supplements to remyelinate your sheaths because gliotoxin, like the one that I had, that's what gave me my five lesions in my brain. Hopefully I'll get a body scan next year and they'll be poof gone.
00:15:16
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And it's a prescription? it is. Yes. And so you need to be working with a physician that understands this, knows how to measure it, knows how to do the test. and Absolutely. Because every six weeks, you really need to measure your liver enzymes to make sure they don't get elevated.
00:15:33
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and what would be elevating them? So the drug can stress out the liver. However, if you're eating cleanly and you're on the right supplements, you don't eat the crap.
00:15:46
Speaker
Liver enzymes never go elevated. They're never elevated. What kind of supplements? So particularly vitamin C to help redox the cell. I'm sure you've heard and talked a lot about that on your podcast before.
00:16:01
Speaker
Melatonin, because it's neuroprotective, only three milligrams at night. Phosphatidylserine is another important one because it helps remin not phosphatidylcholine, but phosphatidylserine.
00:16:12
Speaker
There's a lot of data that shows that it can remyelinate your sheaths. Oh, wow. to help you know um reverse some of the damage that's been done. And of course your B-complex methylated vitamins to help your body.
00:16:27
Speaker
ah Vitamin D3, because it's an antimicrobial peptide, super important in immunity. Certain spore probiotics that help fight against the bad yeast and molds, because you do have some yeast along with the mold that's colonized in the gut.
00:16:43
Speaker
Because you see, once you breathe in these spores, even though you're out of the environment like I was, I still wasn't better. Because I didn't kill the spores that were colonized.
00:16:53
Speaker
Right. You're carrying it in you. Yeah. Right. That's kind of what I'm bumping against. Okay. I'll tell you what, in five days, my nerve pain went away down my arm. Five days on itraconazole. Itraconazole.
00:17:05
Speaker
Okay. um This is selfishly very, very helpful. Okay. Thank you. I really think it's it's a hidden problem. I
Preventing Mold Re-Toxification
00:17:13
Speaker
think people are dealing with quote unquote chronic Lyme.
00:17:16
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i don't believe there's chronic Lyme. I think they're just over spilled. with toxins and they have to pull off the heavy metal. They have to pull off the mycotoxin. That's what's preventing them from redoxing the cell and feeling themselves again.
00:17:31
Speaker
i have a couple that I'm working with in Arkansas. I got a license in Arkansas just to help this couple out. They were friends. They were living with me before. in Tabernacle in Southern Jersey. i don't know if you anything about that area. Had a bad basement. believe they were both mold talks back then. But anyway, we got reconnected about a year ago, even though they they moved 10 years ago, way out there, right? They built a new home. I saw her stuff on Facebook. I'm like, and I'm allowed to share her name. They're they're shouting my name everywhere. Her name is Carol.
00:18:00
Speaker
You know, Carol, what's going on? And she says, oh my gosh, Javina, I'm I'm low-dose naltrexone every night. My joints hurt. I no longer can teach yoga yoga. I've had my breast implants removed. I still don't feel better.
00:18:13
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And Bill was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease and started having seizures three years ago. And I said, Carol, you know what I do for a living, right? She's like, no, what do you do So I started to tell her about the practice and how we pull off toxins and we you know find it and everybody's a little bit different, but we'll get to the bottom. We'll get to the root causes and we'll help you out.
00:18:33
Speaker
their mycotoxin levels were really high. She also had a high lead. um She wore a lot of red makeup. There's a lot of lead in red makeup, but also she was taking, um you know, and I don't want to call any one company out or whatever, but there was a certain Celtic form of sea salt that had a higher amount of lead in it yeah that could have contributed to it. We're not really sure.
00:18:56
Speaker
So we did chelate her, but we started itraconazole on her. And she said to me the next day, Davina, I don't know if this is placebo or real, but I already feel a little bit better.
00:19:07
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I said, no, it's real. It's real. Just hang tight and wait to see what Bill says in five days. He's not going to be able to put his finger on it, but he's going to feel better in five days as Parkinson's movement stopped.
00:19:21
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They're almost a week 12 right now. He's fly fishing. She shared with me a picture that her trigger finger is completely open and they're feeling better. every single day because of the itraconazole.
00:19:35
Speaker
Yeah. i I want to share this with my father immediately. He was a, he was a pediatric cardiologist, but just relatively recently, the past few months, I mean, he was running half marathons. He was running every day. He was addicted to it. Now he's just in so much pain. His leg, you can't kind of sit. He's massaging his leg all the time. means i will talk with him anytime and I'll share with him so many more um testimonials. They're, they're,
00:19:56
Speaker
They're anecdotes, right? But I'm compiling them and I'm starting to look for places to publish because I've got a ton. You kind of need the anecdotes before you get to informing what clinical studies do in the first place, right? Right.
00:20:11
Speaker
I mean, this is the other side too, because sometimes it doesn't work for the average, right? it mean I'm trying to like ketosis, for example, for some people, it's like, it's super impactful for 20 30%.
00:20:24
Speaker
But if you go stuff... but if you go run a study it's going to say, oh, on average, it's not doing anything, but there's this certain group that it it is magic for. right And so there is something to at least trying something. If it's not going to cause damage saying, hey, if you're having this problem, try it. See if you get the benefit because who cares what the big study says. And there's a big spectrum of ketosis too. You know, you can stay in this little key. Nutritional ketosis is where I like to live.
00:20:48
Speaker
I don't go over to like, I'm like, low. You know, I just don't, I don't eat sugar. you know, i eat berries or my front form of sugar and green leafy vegetables. That's all. Yeah. I mean, I'm the same. eat plants. That's what I eat. It's pretty straightforward. Okay. So this is treating once you have the problem. So say, say you have cleared it, you've treated it.
00:21:09
Speaker
How do you help prevent yourself from getting re-toxified if that's a phrase? Exactly.
Cellular Health and Reducing Oxidative Stress
00:21:16
Speaker
So it's a little bit of a witch hunt, right? And this is where um I do a lot of handholding because, you know, let's say the wife is sick, but the husband feels fine because, you know, it's sneaking up on him and he might just have a heart attack down the road and not ever know what the causes are, right? But she's super sick because she's spilled over with all of her toxins. And it's really this master bathroom that has not been renovated. And they think that's the problem.
00:21:45
Speaker
Well, then you have a company come in and the air quality tests that they do in the middle of the room are normal. OK, well, they didn't open up the wall. And if you really have a gut feeling that there's something going on with this original bathroom that's never been renovated and you're seeing mold anyway in the shower, open up the walls, you know, get a swab sample.
00:22:08
Speaker
So there's a couple trusted companies that I do recommend to my patients that But they really have to figure out where the mold was. It could be at the gym that you go to every day. It could be at your work. It could be in your car. If your car is ever flooded, if you have a Jeep and, you know, it rained inside your car, it could be under there and you're in contact with it every day. i mean, I was sleeping, you know, in my bedroom with our master bathroom that I didn't recognize was a problem, you know, and it was.
00:22:35
Speaker
It's chronic exposure. right It's something that would be more in your control, your work, your sleep, your live environment, not going about your day normally, just like walking through the street. Okay.
00:22:47
Speaker
Correct. But I will tell you people that are on itraconazole for treatment for mold toxicity, they'll walk into a room that's a musty smell and have symptoms immediately.
00:23:02
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And they know that there's something wrong with the room and they need to leave. It's, it's this phenomenon. I can't figure out, but I've heard it. You become more attuned to it.
00:23:12
Speaker
Okay. Interesting. So now my son, 12 year old last March,
00:23:22
Speaker
he started exhibiting ticks and my husband literally fell to his knees, fix my son, fix my son. I said, Paul, we know how to fix pandas. Like, let me look and let me see if there's some strep going on. He used to get strep all the time. I proactively couldn't find it. I couldn't find it.
00:23:40
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But I proactively did put him on doxycycline and then I rebuilt his gut. And 99% almost of his tics went away. But occasionally I would see him lifting up his hands if he was on his way to swim practice or something like that and thinking or a little bit nervous about, you know, performing.
00:24:00
Speaker
And so it started to get me to think more. Let me look at this master bathroom. And that's when we discovered it was in the master bathroom. And now he's on itraconazole.
00:24:11
Speaker
Tics are gone. They're completely gone. That's incredibly helpful on the mold toxicity. If we could take one step back to you referenced like cellular health and kind of treating that. And at some level, a step back there, the point solutions, like the mold toxicity are things you may have, but Overall, we're trying to get this high performing mind and body and everything and yeah up our energy levels. So what are you most excited about in your practice that you've seen kind of unlock that for most people outside of like, eat well, get a good amount of sleep, move your body vigorously, you know the the basics, what are the things on top?
00:24:54
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So because oxidative stress is the reason for disease, right? Peeling off all the places that you can possibly peel off first, because if I'm trying to help you get better with any kind of treatment, you can't still be in the shower while I'm trying to dry you off. You're just not going to dry off. You're you're just going to be wet, right?
00:25:13
Speaker
So you really do have to remove all the toxins from their life, all the toxins from the environment, find out their triggers, get rid of them, and then you have to redox the cell.
Vitamin Recommendations for Wellness
00:25:23
Speaker
So how do you redox the cell?
00:25:25
Speaker
Vitamin C is literally inside yourself for a reason because it's capable, and you know this, of donating donating electrons, but it can also take them away and it knows when to do it. That's the fascinating part about vitamin C. Whereas astaxanthin donates, it can't,
00:25:43
Speaker
make the switch, but I love astaxanthin for other reasons too. So high dose vitamin C infusions are in our clinical practice at that level. They can be pro-inflammatory. So you have to use it on the right patient when, but I always tell my patients,
00:26:03
Speaker
to please redox your cell with vitamin C, three grams a day. Use the form with flavonoids so you're not gonna get the gastric upset. You know about the guinea pigs and humans and how they can't make, we can't make vitamin C anymore, right? We require it from our diet.
00:26:19
Speaker
Okay. No, I didn't, I didn't realize We can't, we can't make vitamin C. We lost the ability thousands of years ago, probably because we were getting it from green leafy vegetables. Well, we're not getting it anymore. Look at our vegetables.
00:26:30
Speaker
I mean, I buy organic, but look at them. Yeah. Yeah. They don't have exactly what they used to have. They did a study on Guinea pigs. They gave the both sets scurvy. They removed their vitamin C. Both groups had scurvy. Okay.
00:26:43
Speaker
One group, they gave back vitamin C, the powdered form that we typically find in a typical vitamin, and their scurvy got better. But their hair wasn't glistening, and they weren't rambunctious, and they weren't healthy-looking or appearing. But then they gave pomegranate, the whole form of vitamin C, to the other group.
00:27:03
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Not only did the scurvy get better, but they were glistening, and they were well-looking. You think it's the ubiquinol as well in that? like Or is it ubiquinol or is it urolithin A? What's in the pomegranate? There's probably lots of things in pomegranate, right?
00:27:16
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So you need those flavonoids. They're flavonoids. So if you take vitamin C with flavonoids, you'll avoid the GI upset. So you can take three grams, you know, you can take a gram three times a day and not have the problem, but the best form is really liposomal.
00:27:31
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I love the the brand Live On because that's what the Royden Clinic always says for their patients to use when they're not getting their IV vitamin C on the days off. So i I always recommend that one. Okay. So vitamin c with the flavonoids, that that's one you're very, very excited about.
00:27:49
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It grabs toxins. It neutralizes. I think there's just there's a guy I heard that goes out on stage and he takes deadly forms of mushrooms and then he he takes vitamin C and doesn't die.
00:28:02
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got to find that. I'm going send it to you. I mean, I would never do that, right? That's that's pretty crazy. But that's powerful. That's a powerful statement of what vitamin C is capable of doing. And and if it can pull out toxins of your body or neutralize toxins is is how I should put it, then I'm taking vitamin C every single day. Yeah. In case anybody tries to poison you with mushrooms, you'll be ready.
Exploring Stem Cell Therapy
00:28:25
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after ah So what else? So vitamin C, high dose, anything else that... Magnesium. You know, and I know there's more than 3000 receptor sites that we don't even know what each one does for magnesium, but we know they're there. And there's over 350 something that actually is responsible for some sort of catalyst activity that's required for us to run right for magnesium. And magnesium, just like insulin pulls glucose inside the cell, magnesium grabs vitamin C and brings it inside the cell where it belongs.
00:28:56
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I love all seven. So and it depends on what you're using it for. You know, if you need to poop, you know, you go to the citrate. You know, if you you don't, you go to the glycinate. But I use bio optimizers. I love magnesium breakthrough. It has all seven.
00:29:10
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And do you take do you take it at nighttime? and when When do you take your magnesium? I do. I take it at nighttime because it does help my sleep. And so um I take that and I take glycine at night.
00:29:22
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And I take three milligrams of melatonin just for the neuroprotective benefits and the longevity benefits. And do you have a third? So this is good. do you have a third that you're saying I'm i'm pretty excited about it? I've been seeing in my practice. Does this really help a high number of people?
00:29:38
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Yeah. So I don't test everybody's genetics. They can't always afford the the type of testing that we do. I prefer to do it that way. So I know what they're deficient in. The best supplement is really the one you're deficient in the most. Right.
00:29:49
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And most people, I'm going to say, are deficient in vitamin D3. So that's absolutely key. But I give everybody a B-complex that's methylated as well, because I don't know what their genetics look like. And I want to give them the the best opportunity to be able at to methylate.
00:30:03
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And if if they don't have that problem, is there any downside risk if they don't have the MTFR? I think you can probably take way too much. People get overexcited. i know that my autistic children, if you give them too much or too fast, that the folinic acid, um you know, like the luquevorn that they're they're um approved now, then they can get too excited, right? So you have to do it kind of slowly. And that one do you do in the morning? So I've shifted my B and D to the morning because I was taking it and was like all setting what I was doing at night to try to get ready for bed. i was getting more energy. My face flushes, so I do it when I eat.
00:30:39
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but ah Whenever I eat and i always don't, eat I don't always eat breakfast. I sometimes skip. This has been really, really helpful personally for me and my family. So it's it's funny, we've kind of come full circle in that you were saying, hey, you started with yourself and your family.
00:30:58
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And then now this conversation, hopefully for me, and I can take this, my family and all our listeners, I think there's a lot in here people can relate to and a lot of hope that I think you've given people. And there is a solution. It's you're you're not crazy. It's not just that you're getting old.
00:31:18
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It's the problem with your environment. We can fix a lot of that. That's absolutely right. I really think everything is fixable. You know, some people are born with a genetic um broken mutation that might be really harder to fix. But now, you know, they're using stem cells.
00:31:34
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specifically mesenchymal stem cells, the kind that go and they they sense when things are broken and they donate you know their mitochondria and they donate their growth factor and they can tell. We are the most amazing AI technology that I believe God created. And it's it's almost, it's impossible. It is impossible for humans to create such an AI technology.
00:31:57
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And these little mesenchymal cells are like bots. They know exactly what to do. And the easiest way to give them is through your IV because they go to the area of inflammation first and go to work.
00:32:09
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Yeah, the NI, the natural intelligence still out still beats out that ai Yeah, we probably should do a follow-on deep dive on that because I think that is going to be an incredibly promising area going forward. yeah Super exciting. So many things happening.
00:32:26
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with mesochymal stem cells and they're legal. People just don't realize they're legal in this country. You don't want to go outside the country because you're going to get the chemically altered ones anyway. They're not naive. And then you run the risk of having those HLA two tags where, you know, you're going to reject them.
00:32:42
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Yeah. You hear some hard stories of that people. Yeah. But you can't reject these naive ones. Like I could have a baby for you, Andrew, you could give me a sperm and an egg and put it in my body and I could grow a baby.
00:32:54
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The baby would not reject me. i wouldn't reject the baby. Those mesochymal stem cells are what's actually modulating the immune system. They're treating rejection. So cancer patients and leukemia patients who have had bone marrow transplants from older adults, you know, they have, they have HLA two tags.
00:33:12
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So now they have to find a close match or there will be a rejection where some, you know, people get stuck in a cycle, you know, and they can't get out of rejection. So guess what they're using? Mesochymal stem cells to get them out of rejection.
00:33:25
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So why aren't we approaching cancer like this? Yeah. and I don't get
Conclusion and Closing Thoughts
00:33:30
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it. And it's, it's not expensive. You could spend a lot of money outside the country. You know, I'm not saying they're cheap, you know, cost $1,300 for one unit for me to purchase a quality 10 million cells, but it's so worth it. And so what what is an example treatment where you say, hey, this is what it's used for. This is how we do it. This is what it costs. This is the results.
00:33:55
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Right. So I believe they can be used almost for anything. And they're studying it for longevity, living longer, RA, rheumatoid arthritis, congestive heart failure, everything.
00:34:07
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Even when I had mold toxicity and didn't realize it yet, I gave myself some stem cell infusions and it overcame it for months where I was superhuman again.
00:34:19
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So it's really one unit for every 60 pounds of body weight is how we dose it intravenously. But there's other ways of getting it. You know, you can directly inject into a knee or a shoulder um or even IM to a child who's afraid of an IV. It's an easier way to get into a child with autism.
00:34:36
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Wow. And then how quickly do you start seeing the results? Three days. Three days. Okay. Three days you start to feel energy. They last for how long? Months. And it depends.
00:34:48
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So just like I was telling you before, how good is your environment? Because stem cells are going to thrive in a really great environment. So we prep all of our patients first and we do look for all the toxins first and we do get their gut straight and we get them on a good diet and all the right supplements for them before We even do the stem cells. Now, some people want to jump right to it if they've got a bum knee and it gets them over, you know, that hump and they're fine.
00:35:15
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but you know, it's not going to do as much good unless the environment is nearly perfect for them. And this is a thing that, i mean, all across the country, you can find practitioners, providers that are able to do this. There are a lot of practitioners doing this in California right now.
00:35:32
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We get ours from Chara Core Biologics. That's where I was certified to do the infusions. And it is, I was using some other sources before. I can tell the difference right away.
00:35:44
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They're very high quality. So you're going you really do have to do your research and make sure you're getting a really high quality brand. And then, I mean, I guess it depends what you're doing. You say it lasts months. So do people typically do twice a year, three times a year, like depending on what they're trying to address?
00:36:00
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For myself, I'm just maintaining at once a year. But what we'll do is we'll reevaluate every three months. Sometimes people are a one and done. And other times, you know, they might need two or three.
00:36:13
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I've never given three. yeah. Okay. ah yeah okay That's amazing. Okay. So never three in a year or never three total. It's like after the two. three total Wow. Okay. Okay. So that it could last potentially years as well.
00:36:28
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Except for myself, this will be my third this year just because I want it. Yeah. but It's a little easier for you to to go do it. Yeah. Okay. That's really interesting. yeah I want to follow that much more, like and but back to, I need to get my environment better. So I need to go work on this old toxicity for for me and my family first.
00:36:48
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Yes, you do. My Michael lab. Okay. Yeah. Thank you so much, Dr. Sorensen. You're welcome. Thank you for having me. This was fun. This was ah incredibly fun and informative and helpful and potentially life-changing. So i'm I'm really excited to see. you It will be.
00:37:04
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It will be. Trust me. All right. Well, thank you for today and all the work you do. Thank you. Same here. Thank you for joining us on today's episode of the Home of Healthspan podcast.
00:37:16
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