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Episode 021 - Hopeless Bromantic
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In this episode we catch up with movie news, upcoming films and discuss our picks of bromance films
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Intro clip from Billy Wilder's "Some Like It Hot" (1966) from Mirisch Company, The Safran Company, distributed by United Artists
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Closing music: https://pixabay.com/music/id-11176/
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Introduction to Two Oceans Podcast
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Two oceans. Two oceans will begin. Dirty old man! What happened? I just got pinched in the elevator!
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Now you know how the other half lives. Look at that. I'm not even pretty. They don't care just so long as you're wearing a skirt. It's like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Really? When I'm sick of being the flag, I want to be a bull again. Now, what do you say? Let's get out of here. Let's blow. Blow where? You promised me, Joe, that the minute we hit Florida, we were going to beat it. How can we? We're broke. Well, we could find another band in a mail band. Looks...
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Right now, Spat's Colombo and his chums are looking for us and every male band in the country. So you're never getting on. So you got pinched in the elevator. So what? Would you rather be picking Len Addy and Abel?
Classic Bromance Films Discussion Begins
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Welcome to the Two Oceans podcast, where myself, Sue Fire, along with my friend and crafty colleague, Scrumpy, discuss film and other media through a decades-long lens of mass media consumption. In this episode, we catch up with movie news, upcoming films, and talk about our choice of classic bromance films. This is the Two Oceans podcast, so put on the lipstick, wig, and dress, and hide from the mob as we begin episode 21.
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Episode 21. 21 Jump Street. Oh? Are you... Am I Greco to your depth? Is that still okay to say?
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I don't think either of us come out of that very well. No, true. True. So movies are 21 in the title, 21 grams. Apparently it's a movie called 21 Bridges, 21 Jump Street of Curse comes up, Chromosome 21, only came out last year. Classic.
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You know, totally dead at 21. Catch 21. Just snuck in there before next week. Cool. Okay. So this week we're doing bromance, but as usual, trying to kick things off with some of the movie news.
Recent Movie News and Trailer Analysis
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There we go.
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So this week, okay, that's enough. Right. Stop. It's really wanting you to know. If anyone wants to interpret what that meant. Nope. Exactly. It's a machine crying out. It's gaining sentience. It's crying for the sweet release of death.
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Oh, no. Yeah, not too much exciting movie news this week. A lot of attention on Everywhere All At Once, Screen Actors, Guild Awards, scooped up a bunch of prizes in that. BAFTAs and yeah. Yep, that was nice to see. And I guess the other ones are kind of more related to the trailers. So there's been a trailer for the new Peter Pan.
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Yeah, I didn't watch that. I saw that it was there, but did you watch it? The trailer? I didn't know. No. Well, there we go. I also didn't watch the haunted mansion teaser trailer that came out. Oh, I watched that one. Oh, what'd you think?
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And yeah, it'd be interesting, you know, because I know Del Toro carried that for a long time. Yeah. He was attached to that for quite a while, but now obviously not. So it'll be interesting. I like it. I mean, Lakeith Stanfield is going to be in it. So that has me curious to see, you know, how he crosses over into a bigger thing. I've liked everything he's done, but he's like, he's like the Parker Posey sort of thing that
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She feels so properly grounded when it's an indie sort of thing. I gotcha. That sounds good. I'm curious to see what happens with him there and what he brings to that.
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you know, looks like an interesting enough cast and such. Fingers crossed. Always, always like things that genre. Speaking of, they've cast a new Hellboy. I thought they were rebooting it again.
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They're rebooting it again. It's a guy called Jack Casey. Not really been in a lot of big, big movies. He had a part in Deadpool 2, Baywatch, Crank, if you remember that for me. Oh yes. Oh, the Crank movies. I love the Crank movies.
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I mean, he doesn't seem to have the stature that I'd imagine for Hellboy. I mean, I was always frustrated that, speaking of Del Toro, that Del Toro never got to do the final part to Hellboy or Pearlman. So I think that hangs over anything that comes out now.
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Um, the fact that they're casting it before, uh, you know, mentioning any directors on this, um, is a little worrying, uh, because you wanted to get the director involved first, but, uh, there you go. There you go. I have, I have opinions and notes, but I'm not going to dive into that.
Personal Setbacks and Podcast Challenges
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And, uh, yeah, that's, that's pretty much it. No, I don't know. Pope's, Pope's exorcist.
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Oh yes, I did see that. I saw the trailer that I felt it showed too much. Way too much in the trailer, but I'm like, okay, I'll watch it, but I'm like, what's Russell Crowe doing in this? Seriously. I mean, to be fair, he does look like he's toning it down on this one. Yeah, well, toning it down for Russell Crowe is- For Russell Crowe. Moves it into Tom Hardy range.
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I mean, it's another one of those movies where they could have just brought up the premise, right? And hinted just enough to say there might be something supernatural in this. Yeah. Something more is going on here than just a- Right. Yeah. Right. And, you know, they do drop these based on a true story, you know.
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You know, which which is hard to believe when they show as much as they do in math over people hovering in the air and all that. But yeah, I mean, I'm hovering right now. That's because you got COVID this week. That's right. Again, I mean, you get it the second time you learn hovering. You unlock that tree skill.
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So, for listeners, we have been cursed at the beginning of this year. COVID, various illness, technical issues up the wazoo, problem with getting our schedules together. So, yeah, Belgian will rejoice. I'll listen for the fireworks when we start releasing this episode of Ticket.
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Two other trailers of note that I saw pop up that were both kind of historical docudrama-y, you know, dramatic versions of some historical thing. One was the story of the Boston Strangler, and about the female reporters that are the ones that uncover it and how it covers the police corruption, you know, the whole case. I mean, it's a fascinating case. I'm surprised they've taken this long to
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Is that Natalie Portman? That's almost Keira Knightley. Keira Knightley. Not Padme. Yeah.
Film Reviews: The Blackening and Inside
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Yeah. Right. And the other being, so it's a fascinating story on its own, if you know it at all. And so I'm curious to see how they handle it. The same note with the original about the Tetris.
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movie about the game. Now, that looks like that is based on a graphic novel, which I read, which is really good. It's like a documentary kind of about the whole Tetris story. Yeah. The story is far more fascinating than it has any right to be. Right. Yeah. Yeah, totally.
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So I'm hoping, yeah, I mean, the movie, the movie looks, I don't know if they based it on the graphic novel or if it's just based on the same true story or what. Right. But yeah, that looks really interesting. There's a comedy, actually, I saw a trailer for this week that looks good called The Blackening. I was just going to say The Blackening is the other one I had on my list.
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Oh, really, really? Yeah. What did you think? Yeah, the whole we can all die first. Right. Yeah. Just diving into the trope and then who's who's working on it? You know, it's like, OK, it's not your typical horror stuff, but they're like, let us take a swing at this instead, which is like a nice should be a nice refreshing sort of change. You know.
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bit of a cabin in the wincefield as well. Yeah. Like they know their subjects, like they know horror movies enough to, you know, it's not another scary movie. Yeah. And yeah, it looks like that actually looks pretty fun. So.
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And a trailer that I'd seen a while back, but I think the movie is actually coming out soon, was inside about the burglar that gets trapped in a New York penthouse. And God, I'm trying to remember. I have not seen that one.
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Yeah. So it is, um, Willem Dafoe is a burglar and he manages to get into this, um, you know, penthouse, uh, apartment in New York, going to this heist, but he gets trapped. Um, he gets locked in and it's basically turns into a survival movie in the middle of New York, uh, which looks a little bit interesting. So it's pretty much just a one man show with Willem Dafoe.
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Yeah, I'm trying to think if there are any others. Did you have anything else on your list? Not trailer wise, no. Yeah, Pope's Exorcist. Just kind of look to- RAP, Tom Sizemore, who just passed yesterday.
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Started off strong and boy did not end well. Yeah. The man and his career both kind of like, oh, okay. Yeah. Trumbled soul, wasn't he? Yes. Let's put it that way. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, he's like, he seemed to fit the Tarantino. Well, you know, he came in and I first noticed him in True Romance and then he popped up in
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natural born killers. And he seemed pretty, pretty well suited for that kind of Tarantino character.
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Was he also in that movie Species? Species? Do you remember? It was the H.R. Geiger designed email. Yeah. Oh no, no. What was the one he was in? It was terrible. I watched it in the theater. It was another alien movie thing though.
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With him, yeah. Like the guiled or something like that or, oh, it's kind of nothing like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was terrible. He was okay in it. Yeah. I mean, he's always okay, isn't he? Yeah. And saving Private Ryan, of course.
In-Depth Film Analysis: Del Toro's Pinocchio and Others
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He's very good in that.
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I think that's probably as peak for me. That's a long time ago. I think you can say that about quite a few directors as well.
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Cool, cool, cool. Right. So, uh, yeah, a little bit light this week. Usually we go over time on the news and the trailers and, but it'll pick up again once we get into the Oscars, I'm sure. Oh yes. Oh yes. So, um, what'd you watch?
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Oh, what do I watch this week? So I have seen a couple movies, actually a few movies this week. The only one that's new is a movie called Close.
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from a French director called Lucas Dont. And I'd actually put it into the bromance category. And it is about two boys, they're around 12. At the very beginning of the movie, you see their last summer together before they move on to high school.
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And they're very close, right? And they've got this sort of lifelong friendship between them where they'll go sleep in each other's houses and all of this. And when they get to high school,
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People think that they're a couple, which upsets one of the boys, to the point that he starts trying to distance himself from his friend, at least while they're at school. And it turns into this amazing, amazing story that, I mean, it sounds depressing.
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Basically, it's about toxic masculinity poisoning the well of childhood, but it is so beautiful to look at, so rich, so moving, and ultimately, it's a cathartic experience as well, and it just flew by for me. I'd be surprised if this wasn't on my list of top 10 top movies of the year. I know we don't do a top 10.
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Probably the first one that I think is a potential gold candidate, but there's plenty of time for it to be knocked down. Sure. But yeah, really, really good. And the cinematography as well, they have these shots where the boys are both riding their bicycles.
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And I'm assuming they must have used drones or something because I was watching it and afterwards thinking, how did they get that shot? And for a while I was convinced that the boys were on bicycles strapped to the back of a truck or something with like sliding rails. But then it sort of pans back and you see, oh no, they really are riding bicycles. But yeah, that's a really good one.
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Have you seen anything this week before I jump into the next couple that I watched? Yes, that's the couple. Finally watched Del Toro's Pinocchio. What you think?
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I enjoy it. And I thought it was good. I like the fact that it was a musical. I liked his his visioning of it. I liked all the Walder Frey actor playing the elder Geppetto. Yeah. You know, Pinocchio is supposed to be kind of annoying. Right. Right. As a creation, you know, and he is. But it works.
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and you know of course the style and everything like that the only thing I have you know and I bump up to this with most stop motion stuff and we talked a little about this when we did the stop motion episode but because of the constraints I will say of the uh
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the medium itself. There's some narrative choices they have to make that where things get short circuited or shortcuts made where it was like, wow, they could, you know, it's like, oh, this person is totally evil now, or this is where this person's at now. They don't have time, they can't develop.
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a lot. And so there's a lot of things that just seem like it's missing. I know what you mean. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah. Because the opening, it actually, the beginning, it does take time to get Christopher Waltz's Geppetto down and- But he's Volpe.
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Oh, of course he is, of course he is. Actually, that's really bad. I met the guy that was Geppetto. Oh dear. Yeah. Yeah. I met up at the Comic Con over, it's the picture I posted a couple of years ago where he's dressed as Finn from Adventure Time. Anyhow, but at the beginning they do spend that time and the opening
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Um, really showing what gets Geppetto to the point that he is at the beginning of the movie. Yeah.
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But then I agree with you, especially with some of the boys that Pinocchio gets to know that they could pivot quite quickly and it is a little bit rushed, those relationships. And especially when they've laid that down in the first act, the detail for Geppetto, you kind of expect that for the rest of the characters as well. So I do get that.
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Yeah, so, but you know, other, you know, technically, of course, it's amazing. Totally. You know, and as you know, Del Toro's passion project as well, you know, you can see that that's the one thing I think that keeps it going more than anything else.
00:18:11
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I love the layer of fascism on top, though. But yeah, that's a nice thing. It worked really well. It is. I think it fit well, especially making fun of Mussolini. There's Daniel bringing him in directly. Can you imagine Disney having Pinocchio sit there and sing about fascism? Not realizing what he's doing, right? Well, you know, the original probably is, I mean, given Walt Disney's proclivities.
00:18:38
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it seems it's funny with the even with the stop motion, but obviously with the story itself, it just brings another layer of the humanity, the Frankenstein monster idea to it much better. So a lot of that was a lot better. You know, it's the best version of that story I think we've ever seen, probably that we will ever see. Well, actually, it's not much more to mine, right?
00:19:05
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Yeah, no, no III think that was Pete Pinocchio that we saw there but I'd say the one bit of voice casting that I thought was a little bit off was Spring after it's don't want to get their names wrong again Yeah Torres Pinocchio full title
00:19:34
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David Bradley was Geppetto. God damn it. Who we recognize from, he's been in Game of Thrones. The stand. The del Toro connection.
00:19:48
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Yeah, he's been in Doctor Who as well. And Cate Blanchett played Spasatura, the monkey. Yeah. Because she wanted a part of it and she didn't care how small it was. But you and McGregor, I thought, was a little distracting as a cricket.
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Yeah, I would probably would have preferred to have someone that was less well known as the cricket because I kept thinking that this is Ewan McGregor for the whole thing. And the other interesting thing I heard is from the original in the book, the cricket dies at the beginning. He's a ghost through the rest of the book that that is going to ever. I mean, spoiler, well, his narrative is, though.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what made me notice it because that was mentioned and yeah, yeah. No, I get it. Yeah. The kid Gregory Mann had played Pinocchio as well was very good. Yes. Yeah. I also followed up, finally watched The Tale of King Crab.
00:21:00
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What did you think to that? I mean, that came out of nowhere. I knew nothing about that movie. That was like, if you had, I hate to call it optimistic, but less condemning finger of God version of Aguirre.
00:21:17
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Yeah. Yeah. Which plays a bit like a Western as well, doesn't it? Yes, very much so. I thought of it and you talk about beautiful. I mean, just a pace all its own with looking like it was shot on crappy 16 millimeter and making it sing. Yeah. The color matching is gorgeous. It all matches the muted but also sort of transcendent viewpoint of the main character.
00:21:47
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Yeah, as well. Yeah, it jumps through some themes, it jumps through some big hoops really well. You know, it's, it's sad and comedic and, you know, but, you know, kind of compelling in a way to that, you know, it's like,
00:22:08
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uh blends into the mystery of nature but while also leaning into man the you know the nature of man versus the way of nature and and how they uh intersect and and pull apart and you know uh
00:22:28
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Yeah, I thought it was excellent. I really enjoyed it. Yeah, I enjoyed it as well. I think the first half did work slightly better for me than the second half, though I did enjoy the second half. The second half felt, and I might need to rewatch it, felt a little bit rushed.
00:22:44
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in a way to win away. Yeah. So yeah. So it's like, Oh, this is what we're doing now. Okay. Yeah. Right. Right. They kind of brought it up against each other. Like they didn't know how to marry the two. Yeah. Stories together. They make sense overall. Yeah. But yeah, it does. But yeah, it becomes treasurer Sierra Madre basically. And
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I think an American movie would have spent the first five minutes of a movie sort of setting up that first half and just cutting to the conflict and then spending the rest of the film on that, um, uh, pretty much a Gina kind of road movie chase Western.
00:23:22
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But like I said, I really enjoyed that first half and the time that they spent with it and really having no idea where it was going as well. But yeah, that's a great one. I'm glad you caught up with that one. I'm glad you've been able to find it because I hadn't heard about it, aside from going to the Wikipedia page, and it was well received, but it had a very limited release seemingly everywhere.
00:23:49
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Um, but yeah, yeah, it reminded me of, um, the proposition as well as when Nick K. Western that was, uh, in Australia, uh, tone wise, uh, it was, it was a bit similar.
00:24:02
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Um, another one. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. Um, just kind of on the surface, similar theme as I saw, and this isn't a really new movie. It's, uh, called Brevanch, which is basically revenge. Uh, it's a, uh, Austrian or German movie from a director called Gotts Spielmann. Uh, and it came out in 2008, but I swear, uh, I, I, you know, and I was surprised when I said 2008 because it felt like
00:24:31
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a new movie. And it's built around the sky. He's got a girlfriend. They both work for this pimp basically inside this brothel. And they're both kind of dreaming of being free and being able to go start a life somewhere together and all of this. And that is kind of the first half of the movie. But also, and this isn't too much of a spoiler, is like from the beginning, he is
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planning a bank robbery at this rural bank near where he grew up and where his father lives. And it's interesting because it has a split similar to the Tale of the King Crab where it turns into something entirely different from the second half and you have a whole edition of new characters that come in at that point
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But it's really good. It is really, really good for, you know, this sort of, it's a daylight noir, I think is the way that I referred to it as. Because it's definitely a noir, but it doesn't. Yeah, it's really good. Really good. Worth checking that one out. Sorry, you were going to mention another one you've seen this week?
00:25:44
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Well, and so then it came out last year, uh, it was a shutter original and then now it seems to be getting another push. I'm seeing the trailer pop up like, and listed as 2023. Uh, so I'm wondering if it's getting a broader distribution or something like that. It's called glorious.
00:26:00
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And it's Ryan Quanton and JK Simmons. And it basically is like almost like a bottle episode that takes place almost entirely in a rest stop bathroom.
Practical Effects in Horror Films
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Oh, interesting.
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And Quan is the main narrative character. He's having a rough go of things for various reasons that they get into that mostly land, but kind of don't, but in the, and he hears a voice then start talking to him from the next all over and it's all sealed up and everything. And it's this voice that tells him basically that
00:26:44
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He's been shows the universe has chosen him to help basically prevent the apocalypse Oh And the voice coming from the thing is the being that could or could not destroy the world
00:27:00
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Oh, wow. And so now so it's him trying to deal with that and what to cut it. So it's very Eldritch Horror, you know, kind of a Lovecraftian twist to it. But then very, you know, there's what, four or five characters in the movie because some play out in memories, some interact. Right. Nice. But it's very contained to that female director as well.
00:27:28
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Nice, tight. Over the past few years, the percentage of female directors turning out great horror movies. Oh yeah. Fantastic horror movies. Yes. Oh yes. And overdue that they're friendly being able to in my opinion, but you know.
00:27:46
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Well, maybe that's what that's what it is, is that, you know, the gates have opened up and they've all been waiting because there is a lot of great, great horror that's coming out, especially like premiere movies, like their first feature films. So they've hit it out of the park, you know.
00:28:00
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. And yeah, that's a... That sounds really good. It's a better premise than it is an execution, but I'm not holding that against the finished product. It's clear what they were going for. They try to get too clever with it, basically, which...
00:28:20
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Okay. Doesn't serve it overall, in my opinion. Do they fall into the M. Night Shyamalan trap? No, no. Okay, okay, okay, great. Well, I'm trying to gauge how bad you're talking here. Yeah, not that awful. No, it's still worth watching. It's
00:28:40
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Yeah, and it's not like a gotcha kind of thing right more of like oh We're gonna introduce this element to it. So it's gonna now it's gonna flavor everything but it just It kind of works been like okay feels like you're forcing it You could have you know, there's probably something else you could have done to make that work a little better, but it's still again more appreciation for the attempt
00:29:06
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Yeah. You know, good, good showing rather than not sticking the landing, but at least they tried to stick the landing rather than just, you know, something else. So. Sure. Dick, did you oversee the void?
00:29:22
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I don't think so. It's a 2016 one, just looked it up. That is quite good. Again, it's not perfect, but it sounds like it's got similar themes to it. If you go blind in this movie, I think you'll really love it.
00:29:43
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It's another one of those ones where it takes a lot from the thing, the Lovecraftian lore. It is one of those films that just pulls you in really quickly because it just starts with something quite ordinary, someone driving along the road and then getting flagged down by this blood soaked guy on the road. Everything ticks off in a logical way from that point onwards.
00:30:12
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Um, uh, it's a little budget film, but they, they managed to do a lot with that, that, that budget. Um, and they, they, they stick to practical practical effects as well, which is quite good. Always good. Yeah. Yeah. Glorious. Okay. Yeah. That sounds interesting. Definitely. Would I want to check that one out? It's a nice tight. Uh, uh, I realized I said nice and tight after seeing a female director that was not for that. That was, it's a nice tight, like, uh, like 90 or like.
00:30:40
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Nice nice take 90 minutes or so, you know, it's it's the one time it keeps it very Right. They don't overdo it Yeah, that that that's another one without that to revange. I told talked about that now again was hovering around 90 minutes and The movie close that I watched was roughly 90 minutes and I also saw Another movie, you know, I mentioned Jafar panahi for a while. He's
00:31:08
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He's been imprisoned in Iran. He's been released recently because he went on a hunger strike. But in around 2008, 2009, around there, he was told that he cannot make movies anymore. I watched one of the movies he made during that time. He wasn't supposed to be making movies. And it was called Taxi to Iran. And it is it is one of the most joyful movies I've ever seen.
00:31:35
Speaker
And that's not to say that it sugarcoats Tehran. No, it approaches like all these issues that are going on there. You see the different sort of political conflicts and you get a nuance to view that. Oh, this city has people that have left and right wing views, you know, across the spectrum and they have different lives and some are rich.
00:31:57
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Right. Right. And in fact, he's got this niece and it's his actual niece in the movie. So the premise of this movie is that for a day, he acts as a taxi driver.
00:32:13
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And he records the conversations with the people that come into the taxi. A lot of these are reenactments based on, you know, actual conversations that have happened. Yep. But it is done so well and it's so clever. And it's not just like story, story, story, story. When it actually gets to the conclusion, it wraps up in a way that ties everything together in a really nice way. It kind of reminded me of, well, that Jim Jarmusch,
00:32:42
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kind of movies. And he himself is really likable. And there's also a lot in there for cinephiles like you and me. Like there's a guy that comes in, a dwarf actually, who comes into the car. And he deals in DVDs that are banned. And so he does these bootleg DVDs
00:33:06
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goes around to people's houses and people are looking for, I did the latest blockbusters, but he goes to this house of a film student and the film student's delighted because he's like, oh my God, it's Jafar Panahi. And he's like, go on, I'm trying to be a film student, can you give me advice? And he has wise words to give to him, but it's a really nice movie, really easy to watch. And again, hitting that 90 minute mark is nice.
00:33:35
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You know what I mean? It's just enough time where you feel like, oh, I could have done with a bit more, but that was really good. It's better than going through two and a half hours. Won't mention any names, two and a half, three hours, let's say. Knowing when to shut up.
00:33:59
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Yeah, no one to stop. I've got the strangest feeling someone's gonna kick his ass. Indeed, indeed.
Exploring Bromance Films: Classics and Evolution
00:34:11
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Right, shall we get into the brobance movies?
00:34:18
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Yes, why not? It's February, the time of romance, so why not explore the on-screen intricacies of bromance?
00:34:36
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Thank you. Thank you. I don't know if that was the right sound effect. There you go. Right. You want to kick us off? What do you have on your list? We'll take it because that'll work. And sorry, just getting a sip of water. Yeah. Stay hydrated. Because we're like, ah.
00:34:57
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Because the idea behind it, it's something uniquely, you know, because then you can get two male leads in a movie to share some time, you know, screen time. So you're doubling your box office draw, but then it's the non-sexualized
00:35:17
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call it romance between two male characters where it's typically, so there's two ways to do it. Typically though, it's where there's an established, you come into the story in the movie where there's an established relationship between the two and you don't
00:35:35
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care why. It's not, you know, they're just, they obviously have something similar that they share some kind of background or outlook. It's usually an outlook on life or something like that though, that bonds them together. So they're more than best friends. They're closer to brothers, but like elected brothers.
00:35:57
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giving up on that other person or their dreams or anything like that is never an option. There's never like a betrayal or a, oh, should we or shouldn't we kind of thing. It's all very implicit and like, oh yeah, I would die for this person. And in a lot of these, of course, cause it, it,
00:36:18
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oddly enough, comes to define a lot of action movies, they will. Yeah, right. To it. So, but by way of, you know, so basically, it could be that or you can also have the ones where the characters are on opposite sides of something at the beginning, or at some point, and then they come together realizing their friendship is worth more. Right.
00:36:42
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Well, I was thinking, well, that's interesting because as that one, because one of the ones I had on my list on the outskirts was Banshees of Inashiren, because as everything that they say on the screen is contrary to that, but you get the feeling underneath that that's still there. Yes. I'm going to touch on that because I broke them down into some versions of it.
00:37:11
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through our local theater. They own a local video store that is fantastic called Movie Madness. Hollywood Theater owns Movie Madness here in Portland. And they have Movie Madness University, because they have a little screening room of about 20, 25 seats. Nice. And they do like these four week courses.
00:37:34
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a varying intensity. Uh, so they did one on bromat. So the movies they showed were, uh, in order, uh, some like it hot, the William Wyler, uh, Jack Lennon, Tony Curtis, uh, butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid, but lethal weapon two, and then star trek into darkness for the four that we watched through to explore this theme with, uh, with fast and furious, getting an honorable mention.
00:38:04
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Okay in there that they just did not have time to explore And there so Looking at the we were trying to look, you know historically film film wise historically Get from cinemas beginnings to present day. Yeah Which is funny with the first one where it's and you know hot button topic in this stupid country right now of men dressing as women Defines their right but defines their male
00:38:34
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a relationship being so strong is that they, oh yeah, this is fine. They can dress as women to try to hide out from the mob.
00:38:46
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I would have thought back in that era, all of the major players dressed up in drag at some point, you know, Three Stooges, Laurel and Hardy, you know, all of them. Its biggest claim at the time, it's notoriety, came that they did not subject it to the MPA ratings board. They released it without doing so. Oh, interesting. You could do that. But they didn't want to do it often because, you know, they didn't want to piss them off such too, because they knew it wouldn't fly.
00:39:15
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Because there was a lot they would have had to cut around and they're like, no, we're not going to do that. Sure. And so a lot of it just became, is intact and what I think it still works is coming out of that. Nice. But Butch Cassidy, finance kid, obvious one, an obvious choice just with the
00:39:37
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you know, such an idealized version of it. But again, right out of the gate, they're best friends, they're new, and you know, they will never leave each other. Right. Even if the rest of the game is there, but these two
00:39:53
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uh, are going to sit there with each, you know, and even, you know, almost share a woman to it. Not quite, but they all kind of have the same love for each other. It's just like this more in terms of different kinds of scenario. Yeah. Yeah. In terms of defining what, what that looks like and what it, you know, what relationships can be or don't have to be, you know, uh, without getting
00:40:19
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into sexual mores or anything like that. Right. Lethal weapon two, because the first one, you know, brought them together and then
00:40:28
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the second one toned down the suicidal. It's that established relationship. It's established. Yeah. It's like at one point the Mel Gibson character is like, he's like, Hey, where does she keep my laundry? You know, he's, he's that involved in their house sort of thing. And it's like, okay, why does this work? You know, it kind of explores a bit of that and they get a little of that. But again, there's no point where
00:40:53
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They're going to turn on each other. You know, they're not going to do something for each other. They're going to have each other's back. No matter the cost to the end, you know, kind of like the butch Cassie and something to the end. And then the, I don't know why they chose Star Trek into darkness. I would have picked, you know,
00:41:09
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The original Far Superior Wrath of Khan. I, oh, Wrath of Khan. Yeah, that's where I came to mind. But, you know, it's an interesting one in the in the bromance thing, too, just switching things around. Why Spock goes crazy at the end, you know, the corresponding, you know, it's like, OK, I get it. And, you know, it's interesting watching these because, you know, for many folks in the class, they were seeing these for the first time.
00:41:39
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Oh, interesting. I mean, I do. I just would say that, you know, I'm not a fan of the direction of that movie, but I am a big fan of the Zachary Quinto and Chris Pine playing Kirk and Spock. Yes. I think they're, they're ideal for those roles and Carl Urban as well. Yeah, exactly. That's the thing kind of throws in there. They always forget it. Like the bones as part of that bromance.
00:42:04
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's a trio. He always has been. And yeah. And which is fine. You know, it's kind of one of those things. Like it's fine to have that. More can be in there. So. Yeah. Though Benedict Cumberbatch was a misstep. Boy. You know, the other actors they went for to try to, you know, like Benicio del Toro. I'm like, Oh God, that would have been perfect.
00:42:26
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Yeah. Right. Right. At least at least someone ethnic to play an ethnic character. They were deliberately trying to throw the audience off through race. Yeah. It was annoying. They didn't need to do that. It didn't need to be a big reveal like that. In fact, you could have sold it that way. Just call it the beginning. I would have been more excited for it. Yeah.
00:42:51
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So anyway. So then I kicked off, started thinking about, you know, so the different some variations on this, like another one that came up a bunch was like with the recent release of RRR. And that being, you know, that is bromance to me, that's bromance to the core.
00:43:15
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because it shows how they come together. It's instant and their camaraderie is instant because they represent these different ideals of Indian cultural identity and heritage and resonance. And then when they break apart, it's understand why, but then they come back together because that's more important. Their bromance is more important.
00:43:42
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And don't forget that that movie is over several years. It's not as if they meet and the movie is set during the course of a day. Exactly. It is actually a long term relationship, isn't it?
00:43:53
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Right. So I put this under the, what I call the Asian versions or variety of that, because it seemed to be like, especially when I first started getting exposed to Hong Kong, New Wave in the 90s, like the killer. Right. John Woo's thing that, but it comes up in many of the movies. But you know, this is one where it's, again, they're on opposite sides of the law. They were sworn to take each other down. But at the end, he's like,
00:44:17
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He loves this guy. I mean, they love each other. Yeah. Yeah. And and it's definitely played by Chang and fans character to, you know, to rely on that. He's like, no, you're not going to do this because, you know, I'm right. And he's like, you know, the cop has to carry data, you know, carry all that as well. You know, it's just really well done. It's a great thing for it. Yeah. Example of the other one I put in was like one of the
00:44:44
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uh... all the uh... the peaking excess of uh...
00:44:48
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Sam Ohung, Yem Bao, and Jackie Chan. So like Meals on Wheels, you know, terrible name. But it won of the several, it's the one that explores like the most, because they're each doing their own stories in there, but no matter what pursuits they're going to, the three of them always come together, always have each other, always support each other, you know, and that's kind of what you rely on.
00:45:17
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as you watch those movies, especially any of the others, it's the same formula where you know they're not gonna betray each other. They're always gonna be strong for each other. Versus, now the other thing, and this is where I get back to Banshees, is more of the toxic bromance is what I label it as.
00:45:38
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And I put Banshees and Vinashiran on there. Now, you know, toxic isn't necessarily means that, you know, not in terms of an actual toxic relationship in terms of what we normally think of or what springs to mind, but it's not the best. Let's put it that way.
00:45:54
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Yeah. I think this is the thing. It depends on how you read it in Benjy's of Anishina as well, because if you were to look at pen and paper, and this is why the acting is so amazing in it, that they say things in that movie, but you could tell they're feeling something entirely different.
00:46:14
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You know, uh, you know, I don't like you anymore, but in it, the, the expression, the eyes, the face says something different. There's some conflict in there. Uh, and then, you know, obviously that, that sort of plays out through the story as well. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, yeah, there's like, it's a version with the, uh, it's almost like they're, uh, and they have to realize that they are stuck together, but in the best possible way.
00:46:43
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or in Bruges as well. It's a very similar relation. Well, it's, it's, it's almost like a father son relationship as a matter. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Um, yeah. And that's the other thing too, with these, it's like, you know, I would say in Bruges has more of the, uh, there's some need for redemption or something like that aspect to it. This van she's of insurance or other proper bromance things do not.
00:47:07
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Right. They just have the people trying to do the right thing and you're not going to let them go off the rails. So the other toxic one, though, I had in that was we're both train spotting movies. I have that with that as well. Especially between Renton and Sick Boy. Yeah. Especially the second one, because that's really there. But, you know, also the other characters that are in there because it's for good and bad, you know, the it's the line from the first one, you know, well, what are you going to do? He's a mate.
00:47:35
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Yeah, yeah. And that is so bromance to a key that's just some of the, you know, like these will explore the how that can go awful. Then. Or really open you up to abuse and harm and violence of, you know,
00:47:57
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you know, embodied by Begbie, obviously, of, you know, physical and mental abuse. Or that whole sort of chaos relationship as well. And this is going to sort of a lighter area is, you know, fear and loathing in Las Vegas, where that is a weird relationship, you know? Yes. Like some lawyer and, you know, it's a relationship, but it doesn't really develop in the movie.
00:48:27
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No, not the movie. The book's far better with that. Right. But it's also, they're great for each other, but putting them together, but that doesn't mean that they're great people. Right, right. Well, yeah, you also got the Cheech and Chong, Harold and Kumar stuff as well. Yeah, this is covered under like, what I call the rest. And one of them called out, all movies except for this one, which is the show, Welcome to Rexham.
00:48:56
Speaker
which is Rob McElhenney and Ryan Reynolds buying a Welsh World Club. And one of the episodes in that show, in that first season, they bring in a doctor whose specialty is bromance. What it means and such too. And she talks about this because she talks about them.
00:49:16
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Cause it's part of the joke is like the two of them did not know each other before they did this. They just kind of went in. And so the show, uh, as you know, they said they wanted to shoot everything from the get go. They were like, let's document this whole thing. Uh, but part of that you see, uh, is how these two grow. Like again, um, having very little in common, just being too successful white actors. Um,
00:49:42
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and how they, you know, and that they somehow, you know, go into this thing and they learn as much about themselves and each other. And so, you know, and like what they do and how they do and how they respond to each other and that sort of thing, you know, it's not the, and it's, you know, they identified as a bromance in a healthy way, just because it's not the typical, especially American,
00:50:06
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where it's a competitive or power-based or anything like that. All those are jettison. You each have skills that you rely on the other person for, which is very... You're better together and you're better individually as a result.
00:50:25
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Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, a couple of others I threw in, you mentioned, you know, like the the comedies like Harold and Kumar and Cheech and Chong, Bill and Ted. Blues Brothers. Blues Brothers. Well, but they're brothers, though. Well, that's true. I see what you mean. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. It's like you're not brothers. So another through the night before.
00:50:47
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which is the Seth Rogen and Anthony Mackie and, oh, who's the, oh, and Joseph Gordon-Levitt. Christmas movie, it's basically Christmas Carol. Tenacious D, Jack Black and Kyle Katz. Called in Stand By Me.
00:51:08
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stand by me. Because they're already good friends before they go through the whole thing, but to kind of what crystallizes their friendship, but it's also a bromance. It's very much where they can be open with one another. They become very vulnerable.
00:51:27
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with one another, you know. That sort of power balance as well can be an interesting one because another one that I put down was like Wallace and Gromit and you've got Gromit is pretty much the adult in that relationship. Oh, yes. Wallace doesn't realize it, but the dog is constantly the one that is saving the day. Yeah. Yeah. And there's a similar thing in these, I think in Bruges as well.
00:51:57
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Who compares Wallace and Gromit to Duke and Bruce? We do. But in that movie, it's not clear at the beginning that Colin Farrell has a death sentence.
00:52:15
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Right. Brendan Gleason is trying to give him a nice send off, basically. But but but but he's he's he's kind of played the dog role and Colin Farrell's just kind of oblivious to it all. You know, you know, they're for a job. He's bored. He doesn't like the city. Smoke signals going back to the Native American stuff I had down.
00:52:41
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And one that I don't think fits it, but it kind of does. And I always like mentioning this one because a lot of people don't know about this movie is Thunderbolt and Lightfoot with Clint Eastwood and Jeff Bridges. But they meet at the beginning of the movie with Jeff Bridges being a drifter and thief.
00:53:06
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who, you know, while stealing a car stumbles across Thunderbolt, who's Clint Eastwood, who is like his hero, you know, but they bond. And yeah, it's kind of weird that because that isn't in an established relationship at the beginning. I suppose it is from one side because, you know, the Jeff Bridges character knows of Thunderbolt, you know, at least sort of
00:53:34
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Like I put some on a pedestal. And then the other one that I had down from the same era was kind of rough line deliverance.
00:53:50
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Yeah. Oh, and my dinner with Andre from that time period as well. Go completely in the other direction because that was unusual. You know, two men going out to dinner together who were friends to talk. Do you know what I mean? It was, you know, no one would bat an eyelash at that. But at the time, that was a
00:54:17
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a little odd, you know, I think for that time period. Agreed. And the other, I had now more, moving it more toward the present day and what it might mean for the future, was the show Our Flag Means Death.
00:54:35
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Oh, that's a good one. That is a good one. Yeah. Which, you know, literally moves into the romance to a bit, but it's also, you know, it's also based in this fact of like, there was this, the gentleman pirate and he and Blackbeard of all people were like really good friends. Right. Right. Like it's a historical, like it's a documented thing. So they try to explore like, what the heck would that mean?
00:54:58
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And how would they approach it? And I think the way they do on that show is very, makes a lot of sense.
00:55:10
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that there is a romantic sexual tension or part of it. Not just from those two characters, but you also get jealousy from the others, which is more akin to your usual romantic set up, right? Yeah. But yeah, there's heated jealousy and thoughts of murder and all this soap opera stuff going on, but yeah, it's really well done.
00:55:40
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I like that it ended at the way it did as well, which was just left it completely open, right? Yeah, I mean, you know, the characters go on, you know, they come to an end of sorts, you know, historically, but it's like, yeah, where they see and where they go and how why they do it and such, too. It's like it's it's very clever in how it handles that.
00:56:03
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It was nice to see a series where characters actually had an arc. Oh, yes. Instead of just being flat. Yeah, exactly. No one was a toss away character. Even though some of the characters were literally tossed away. Yeah, they didn't short to change anyone.
00:56:26
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Yeah, it was really, really, really good. The other one, and it's a film I brought up among some of the best films the last year, was Sebastian Mises' Great Freedom, and that was a story in prison about these two guys over several decades that have a bit of a bromance in prison. But I think that's a usual thing. I think if you think about prison movies,
00:56:51
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Well, yeah. Shushing. Shushing prevention. That's the biggest one that comes up for that kind of...
00:56:58
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Totally, totally. And Jarmusch is down by law as well as another one that I can think of. But yeah, Blues Brothers, Gannon, and other brothers with, you know. But yeah, the prison setting is almost an excuse for, you know, it forces men together. And what else do they got to do aside from, you know, talk to each other and actually, you know, sort of work on the relationship and kind of develop.
Contemporary Bromance and Cultural Significance
00:57:28
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Um, so yeah, I think that's pretty much covered everything that I had. Um, I had super bad as well. Um, uh, spoke signals. Um, it was funny. You mentioned paint your wagon. I, I, I, I think that has one of the greatest songs, uh, ever in it, uh, sung very, very badly.
00:57:55
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But, I mean, how often do we actually get to hear Lee Marvin sing, you know, Wandering Star? And then we know why. Well, I don't know. After the Clint Eastwood song? Yeah, true. That sounds pretty good. Cool. Oh, Good Whittle Hunting I had down as well.
00:58:20
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Um, there was another rounders, rounders, um, which again was, uh, John Malkovich and also was in Edward Norton with Matt Damon as the card sharks. Yeah, playing poker, playing poker.
00:58:40
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And basically the whole idea was, you know, if it was all chance, then you wouldn't have the same people in the finals every year in the world championships, because if it was chance, they can do that. But yeah, that's a nice little movie. I really enjoyed that. John Turturro is in it as well.
00:59:00
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But yeah, that had that sort of a bit of a poisoned bromance again, where Edward Norton was kind of the bad influence. And not to say that Matt Dana was playing an angel in that, but he did want to try to get out of the game. But it was always like one more, just one more. And thinking of it too, where it's like that, where it's just it ends badly because of, but it has to end that way.
00:59:28
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Uh, once it goes through, you know, uh, uh, like reservoir dogs, right? And, uh, Tim, Tim Roth and, and Harvey Keitel, you know, they genuinely care for each other. They genuinely have a bromance. Oh, that's, that's like on that line and it kills him. And, and, you know, I always remember the one complaint people had, you know, when we were talking about it, when it came out, why does he tell him he's a cop at the end? It's like, because he has to.
00:59:56
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He tells him, he's like, we're going to go away and do some time together. He knows that's not the truth. And he has to give him the truth. And he was willing to die for it because he knows that's how it's going to end. And again, that's also based in the movie, Tarantino's Ripping Off, The City on Fire, the stuff which Ringo Lamb, who did that like John...
01:00:20
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Anyway, they all had, they all had the bromance down, right? And you look in any of their movies, especially in the early, early to mid 90s, there were chock full of that.
01:00:36
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And what do we call it? Restrained heterosexuality. Right. Because there's always a point of like, OK, they're they're looking at each other like it's always framed like in all these kind of beautiful like, OK, these two love each other. You know, it's fine, but it's like, OK, we're not going there. OK.
01:00:55
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Yeah, what were we talking about last week about the unbearable weight of massive talent with Nicolas Cage and Pedro Pascal like, um, I keep seeing it at memes as well as that look that Pedro Pascal has for Nicolas Cage in the movie, you know, um, yeah, speaking up, did, what did you think? Did you, did you watch the opening episode of Mandalorian?
01:01:21
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Yes. I have thoughts. What did you think? I do too, but before we get there, I just want to sign off on... Sign off on bromance. Sure. This is a final thing. It's a common thing, but it's a... Again, I would highly recommend, it's almost like a documentary, that one episode of Welcome to Rexxum, where they go into detail about it.
01:01:43
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I didn't have to watch that. Especially what it means for men today in terms of what's masculine and what's not, what's called out as woke or canceled versus what's legit.
01:02:00
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undergoing a, I don't want to say a Renaissance, but a more thorough definition where it's like, no, this has been here all along, guys. This is fine. This is wine. We're not treading on anybody's feet. And it's okay to be this way. And it's okay to call this out as its own thing. It doesn't have to be everything. So it's an interesting spot. But yeah, definitely in terms of as a learning session, that it's a really good primer.
01:02:28
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Yeah, just to provide an eye on to the the rest of the things and you know, you know, you know what when you see it And it's just it's something very unique to film I think as well So sorry. Yeah. Okay. Very good. They're done with that
01:02:45
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Well, no, he was very disciplined of you to keep keep track. That's me,
Critique and Recommendations: Mandalorian and Poker Face
01:02:50
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Mr. Discipline. Oh, no, I just had flashbacks to the episode this week of the Mandalorian. I will.
01:03:02
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I think my difficulty with it was, one, it had a tone that reminded me a bit of some of the flaws of Boba Fett, and two, watching this after Andor is hard.
01:03:23
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Yeah, it's difficult. For me, it's this one to see much more table dressing, moving pieces around. It's like, okay, this seems like episode four or five in the series in the season, not
01:03:38
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not right out of the gate after being gone so long sort of thing. Well, there's something a little bit different about this episode in that John Favreau is writing solo on this without, at least not credited with Dave Philo.
01:03:56
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Dave Filoni is focusing on another series, Ahsoka being one of the key ones. So I think Dave Filoni is really important, his involvement, because he tends to think things through long term, right? And
01:04:18
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Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. We'll see how it goes. But yeah, I thought it was it was very paced quite poorly. I felt the opening scene, which was meant to be kind of the thing that grabs our attention, didn't grab my attention as much as when the Mandalorian went into a butcher's confronted a crime lord and and very coolly kind of took took everyone out. Right. Yeah, the big monster was almost like,
01:04:47
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Okay, right. Sure, sure. And it wasn't even a punch in the air moment when, you know, his ship arrived. And I felt like it was meant to be. But I didn't know who most of these people were. I knew the the, you know, the blacksmith lady was but I thought it was a flashback.
01:05:06
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Right. Right. So did I. Yeah. I'm like, oh, they're showing him when he got it. Oh, no. OK. Oh, it's this. Yeah. Well, then he shows up and it's like, oh, OK. You're still banned. Right. Yeah. What do I need to do? OK. You know, it's all very much like a video game.
01:05:22
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You're banned, but you're allowed to walk among us. Do you know what I mean? It was like, this feels a little bit funny. And John Favreau said something really weird, which has got quite a few people going like, I think you made that up after the fact is that he said that that Grogu and Luke were together for like two years. And there was nothing in that episode to imply that it had been that long. Yeah.
01:05:49
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Um, and that feels like something that's been done in retrospect. And then the other thing is you're also, well, at least I am comparing it to the last of us where every episode has just knocked it out of the park for me has been something that can stand on its own.
01:06:08
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that has a full character arc that actually raises the stakes with every episode that's come up. And, uh, yeah, I'm just going to realize what a great story it is. And it's not changed from the game, but in this context, you really get a chance to kind of. Appreciate it, you know? Yeah, agreed.
01:06:29
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Yeah, and in terms of new this week, the only one I'd call out and if you haven't started watching it, I cannot recommend it enough is poker face. The show with Natasha Lyonne, the Ryan Johnsons behind. It's on Paramount. And she's basically like Columbo. It's very much like a 70s detective.
01:06:55
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serialized case thing, but there's an episode, I'll just call it out particular to you, late here in the season, the season's almost done, where, because she travels, she has to travel, she has to stay off the grid and travel around to keep one step ahead of the people after, but she comes across a guy that's basically Phil Tippett,
01:07:19
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who's trying to make, and he's basically making Mad God, and she's helping him do that. And then there's a whole murder mystery thing that he gets embroiled in and sort of thing there. But I'm like, even his name is like Lippitt or something like that. It's like this wonderful little homage to him and to that effort. And I was like, oh.
01:07:43
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It's created by Ryan Johnson. Yes. All right. He's directed a couple. He did the latest episode and then, you know, somebody said, you know, he directed the hell out of it, which yes, he did.
01:07:54
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Uh, which also had Joseph, you know, his long time, Joseph Gordon Levitt, uh, had such an issue from, uh, everything everywhere. Uh, the daughter from everything everywhere all at once is in it. Um, but the quality shows is great across the board. They can pull in because it's episodic. Uh, they can pull in different, uh, actors and great characters. Uh,
01:08:15
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What says it's a Mystery of the Week show? So I'm imagining the kind of Colombo type thing. Very much so. She even like does the thing where she's like, uh, this thing, what she's doing her hand. Just one more thing. The credits at the beginning look like, you know, Rockford and the fact there's an episode where she turns around in her car and she drives this old
01:08:36
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Barracuda and she does a Rockford. I'm like, oh, you know, I did the whole nice Leonardo DiCaprio team. I see what you did there. Nice. So that's like a really easy show to watch as well, because sometimes it is and it's really well done. And it's also just, you know, you can see what Ryan Johnson's doing, where he's pulling from and what he's building and how it's getting done. But then,
01:09:02
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Um, several of the episodes, female directors, female cinematographers, uh, Maya Rudolph's another one of the producers on it, along with Natasha Lyonne as well. So there's, uh, um, you get, uh, a female character, even though it is, you know, Natasha Lyonne, it seems a little more rough and ready, but it has a different pace, a different feel than the standard
01:09:27
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well-worn detective thing. So, but just the one, the one who watched where I'm like, Oh my God, that's, that's, he's supposed to be Phil Tibbitt because it's Nick, it's Nick Nolte in the role. Oh, wow. Okay.
01:09:44
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Uh, he would, you'll get a kick out of it. Let's just put it nice. Nice. That bad looks good. That looks good. I'll have to check that out. Um, and, uh, yeah, I'm happy that series nowadays aren't like 27 episodes or whatever. They're, they tend to be like eight, 10, 12 or something, which is.
01:10:02
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A lot easier. And then the quality is definitely higher as well. And then not worrying about the length of episodes is so good because you could feel the filler just melt away and it's nice and bogus.
Conclusion and Future Tease for Star Wars Discussions
01:10:17
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Though I'm always disappointed when on a new episode of a show I like, I'm like,
01:10:23
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Well, it's only 35 minutes this week. God, come on in. You know, the Mandalorian 46 minutes. I'm like, really? Well, you know, anyway. Yes. Yeah. Anyway, agreed on that point. We will have to do this. Maybe we'll do the Star Wars episode soon. And we should shoot for, you know, it's well, today it's March the 4th, which isn't May the 4th, but, you know, Star Wars Day. That's a good show. That's a good show.
01:10:52
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cool right i'm going to uh i guess we're gonna wrap things up here and uh make sure that we don't drop off too quickly so
01:11:38
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Now you know how the other half lives.