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Speaker: Welcome to Fixate Today Gone Tomorrow. I'm Nikki and I have ADHD. Joy is autistic and we are letting our hyper fixations fly. Today we are fixating on the Kennedy curse.
Speaker: um back everyone hello i've been gone for a week thank you for filling in and doing the solo episode last week Oh, my pleasure. i accidentally got hyper fixated on something completely not related to this series.
Speaker: That is fine. I went super fixated on this series because I was traveling. And then was talking JFK conspiracy. And then i i like have been super fixated on Epstein. But anyways. Yeah.
Speaker: So we haven't recorded in a minute. I think the audience only missed like we skipped one week, but I think we recorded after that. And then it was my bonus episode. So it doesn't feel like as long as we have gone without recording, but it has been a while.
Speaker: Yeah. Last JFK episode, we were walking through the different conspiracy theories. We weren't like saying we believed any of them or what happened. It was just literally walking through what's out there.
Speaker: We talked about the CIA, I believe, conspiracy theory. We talked about the New Orleans conspiracy theory that the movie JFK is based on. think we talked about Cuba. Yeah, we talked about Cuba, the conspiracy theory that either Cuban exiles or the Cuban government was involved. So we took we covered quite a few. We also talked about some of like the questionable evidence that has led to conspiracies and things like that. So today we're going to keep kind of just walking through
Speaker: that list of possible conspiracies that are in the world. Sounds good. And I think then we'll have a couple more episodes on JFK and the whole assassination. And then we will get back to other family members and kind of our more than normal curse.
Speaker: Yeah. Premise of our show. But it it was just hard. It was hard not to fixate on this stuff. I have 100%. So yeah, we'll get back to kind of the chronological ah order of the siblings and stuff like that. And ay the next generation gets very interesting too. But yes, JFK. All right. As always, the sources are in the show notes.
Speaker: And again, want to remind everybody that it is too hot where I live to have the AC turned off. So I'm behind my pillow blanket fort. And you can probably still hear the air conditioning in super fancy basement. And I'm sorry, i can't do anything about it.
Speaker: All right, let's talk about the conspiracy theory about Vietnam being the reason for JFK's murder. Basically, this comes from the belief that the U.S. got involved in Vietnam due to the fear that the world was going to fall under global communism.
Speaker: if I'm remembering correctly, that is called the domino theory, that if one country falls under communism, the everywhere surrounding that country, and it'll just fall like dominoes to communism. So the U.S. felt like it was their duty to protect Vietnam from the communists.
Speaker: Okay. And the Vietnam War started 1955, believe. i believe I think so too, but I don't know for sure. Related, the last podcast on the left is just started a huge series on Vietnam. So this is like good timing. If you want to actually learn about Vietnam no more listen, listen to that. Not me. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. i mean, so it's been going on for a while, right? I mean, ah yeah at this point in the in the yeah in the war, when. Kennedy comes to office, right? Yes. Yeah. So the South Vietnamese government did not want the CIA there.
Speaker: um At one point, the CIA planted a bomb to dismantle the government and start a coup. The South Vietnamese president, I'm not going to say his name because I don't know how to say it. um The South Vietnamese president was arrested and assassinated 21 days before Jack was killed. Seems like there's a continual theme of countries not wanting the CIA involved it in their country.
Speaker: Yeah. Some would say to this day. i i think so. Or more to this day. Yeah. The CIA's goal was to replace the South Vietnamese government with a CIA-backed military general. But Jack wanted to get U.S. troops out of Vietnam, and he initiated the withdrawal of troops by 1965. once
Speaker: so once Jack was killed and Johnson stepped in as president. He stopped the withdrawal of troops and actually sent in more troops. And the theory is this decision led to the U.S. businesses reaping decades of profit.
Speaker: from this decision of Johnson to send more troops to continue the war. So yeah, this is really tied up in the whole idea of the military industrial complex and, and war being about industry making money and, and losing money if the war yeah was, if we were true. So.
Speaker: Yep. All right. So let's talk about a shadow government. This theory involves right-wing politicians and wealthy businessmen who ordered the assassination. This one's kind of a lot of different things. But so the Rockefeller family wanted to gain control over West Iranian gold mines in Indonesia.
Speaker: But Jack was close to the Indonesian president. A summit was planned in 1964 that could have allowed Indonesia to gain independence from West Iran, which would have made it difficult for the Rockefellers to take control of those mines.
Speaker: We're going to also talk in this to our old buddy, Alan Dulles, who had ties to the Rockefellers. And the theory is he is the person that organized the assassination for the Rockefellers. So by this point, Alan Dulles was no longer the actual director of the CIA.
Speaker: But from what I've been researching and hearing, He was still very connected and um very tied to a lot of the higher level CIA. So he he was still very involved. Yeah, he was pulling strings for sure.
Speaker: Yes. Yeah, this this stuff gets into where I – a lot of what I'm going to be talking about later, these high level yeah wealthy Americans – You know, completely unrelated. I can't imagine why you were obsessed with Epstein an unrelated note to higher up Americans in power. You know, it makes you realize how long it's been going on.
Speaker: But all right. Sorry. Keep you. Go back. go back So this theory says that Alan Dulles got Oswald a job at the book depository in Texas. He was the person who instigated the coup in Indonesia, which led to the Rockefellers gaining control of the mines.
Speaker: And then Dulles lobbied Johnson to appoint him to the Warren Commission so he could control the narrative after the fact. And for this theory, conspirators would actually have been involved in both JFK's assassination and then his brother RFK's assassination.
Speaker: So this would extend to both both of those family tragedies. And for what it's worth, the actual book depository building was owned by another very wealthy family, the Hunt family, which was they were ah an oil family from Texas.
Speaker: We're, yeah, definitely in that in that other group of elites. And yeah, it was on Well, now we're going to talk a little bit more about the military-industrial complex as its own conspiracy theory, not just the Vietnam portion.
Speaker: As we said before, Jack had planned on ending the U.S. involvement in Vietnam. The Pentagon and defense contractors both had interests in maintaining the Vietnam conflict. Yeah.
Speaker: Additionally, Jack was turning away from the Cold War and negotiating peace with the Soviet Union. The theory is the assassination wasn't an assassination. It was a coup d'etat.
Speaker: Jack needed to get pushed out of the way for, and this brings in the right-wing government thing, for like this shadow government to take over, take control, get all of the military businesses, contractors, Pentagon, all their money. Basically, tent Kennedy was a disruptor.
Speaker: Yeah. And he threatened to disrupt, yeah, what they had been working toward. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It needed to be taken out. So in addition to the defense contractors, this affected oil oil companies. Texas oil barons were upset at losing a giant tax loophole that they had exploited since 1913. I cannot get into the details of it because I don't understand.
Speaker: I don't understand taxes. Yeah. Don't either, but still still a narrative we hear about. Yeah. Johnson, what even you know when Johnson was still vice president, was really upset that Jack had angered his oil men buddies.
Speaker: So that would loop Johnson back into it. This military industrial complex is a big deal conspiracy. And again, Johnson's from Texas, right? And a lot of the, and again, like the even the Hunt family, a lot of these oil barons are based in Texas. Mm-hmm.
Speaker: All right, next we have the Secret Service did it conspiracy. The House Select Committee on Assassinations reported that the president had not received adequate protection, that the Secret Service had information that was not investigated, and that agents in the motorcade weren't prepared to protect the president from a sniper.
Speaker: but then went on to rule that the Secret Service wasn't complicit in Jack's death. Former agent Abraham Bolden claimed that he had heard other agents say that they wouldn't protect Jack from assassins.
Speaker: Suggestions that the request Jack had made about the motorcade, like not using the bubble top or the Secret Service staying away from the car, weren't really made by him. They were just things that the Secret Service did to make shooting him easier.
Speaker: Yeah, same with him yeah wanting to be not having Secret Service agents as close to him. you know This came down always as being direction from Jack. That came from the Secret Service telling us that.
Speaker: Right. All right. Next one is another one that to do with money that I don't understand, but it is the Federal Reserve conspiracy. Jack had wanted to rein in the power of the Federal Reserve and transfer it to the Department of the Treasury. Right.
Speaker: And he would order replacing Federal Reserve notes with silver certificates. So basically, he was like trying to change the structure of money in the country. I think anytime there's power being taken away from a department or an organization within the government, people get scared and upset.
Speaker: That's as much as I understand about the Federal Reserve. all right, shall we move on to the theory that Lyndon B. Johnson was behind the assassination?
Speaker: So actually in a 2003 Gallup poll nearly 20% of Americans suspected Johnson of being involved in JFK's death. Critics of the Warren Commission claimed that Johnson disliked the Kennedys. He suspected that he was going to be dropped from 1964 presidential election ticket.
Speaker: Three days before the assassination, Jack's personal secretary, Evelyn Lincoln, said that he told her Johnson would be replaced. The conspiracy theory is that Johnson hated Jack and believed that he didn't earn the presidency.
Speaker: Clearly he had, in the public's eyes, the most to gain. Yeah, yeah. But this is a pretty big stretch. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Pretty big thing to orchestrate. to Yeah. Johnson's alleged mistress, Madeline Brown, implicated him in this conspiracy. She said planning had begun as early as 1960 and that dozens of people were involved, including ah FBI leaders, prominent politicians, and journalists. Yeah.
Speaker: So this comes from the rumor of this party. So a group of powerful men, including J. Edgar Hoover and Richard Nixon, met at a party the night before the assassination.
Speaker: Johnson arrived late with his alleged mistress, Madeline Brown, and told her the, quote, Kennedy's will never embarrass me again. That's no threat. That's a promise.
Speaker: Dr. Charles Crenshaw worked on Oswald after the after Jack Ruby shot him. He says that he answered a phone call from Johnson who demanded that he get a deathbed confession out of Oswald.
Speaker: E. Howard Hunt, a former CIA agent, accused Johnson of being complicit during this deathbed confession that was trying to be coerced out of him.
Speaker: Hunt claimed that he had firsthand knowledge about the conspiracy. The authenticity of what this man is saying has always been questioned. And there's rumors that he was one of the three tramps. So like him having him having saying anything or accusing somebody else could also be seen as like deflecting his involvement. And if he was one of the three tramps or if he was there a new thing, you know, things like that.
Speaker: E. Howard Hunt was also connected to the a lot of the right-wing groups. Yeah. um He kind of pops up a lot throughout um this this time. and there's a lot of controversy surrounding him and John. Yeah.
Speaker: Malcolm Wallace, Johnson's press secretary and personal assistant. In the note, it says personal assassin.
Speaker: was going to add. That's two very different things. It should be assistant. Yeah. So Malcolm Wallace was one of the sharpshooters in the buildings around the motorcade, as the conspiracy goes.
Speaker: Johnson may have believed that Castro was responsible for the assassination, but that he covered this up to prevent a nuclear war with the Soviet Union. Convicted felon Roger Stone believes that Johnson orchestrated the assassination and that Rafael Cruz, father of Ted Cruz, was tied to Oswald's.
Speaker: Okay, I used to think this was crazy, and maybe it is. But honestly, after digging into all this, it doesn't seem as crazy as I thought at one Yeah. Nothing seems as crazy as i once thought. I just, it just makes me like everything. The other thing is everything. This is why I did this on purpose. Just remember that I wrote these notes a very long time ago. I've been working on this for months and I remember like everything about Roger Stone said like his profession, like this person, Roger Stone. And I read one article that was like convicted felon, Roger Stone. And i was like, that's the one I'm using.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, like Roger Stone's a pretty sketchy fellow throughout history. so i i will One of my favorite things when Ted Cruz was running...
Speaker: in 2016 was that uh i that this conspiracy that his dad assassinated jfk um the other one wasn't it that ted cruz himself was like the zodiac killer or something and it was like ted cruz like a baby didn't know that one something like that like he was a serial killer and it was like i'm pretty sure he was not born or a toddler But if you really – again, once you start like digging into this stuff, then like there's even like Marco Rubio. Yeah.
Speaker: yeah You know, like family connections. um Again, I used to think this stuff would be even insane to consider. But once you see like a lot of these people throughout history are connected to these same conspiracies. I'm not in any way saying – I believe this yeah for sure. But i'm i'm but I don't 100% discount it anymore. I don't either. Yeah. And even like lately, when we're recording, it is August 9th, 2026. And speaking of Marco Rubio, he is –
Speaker: so vocal and not all of a sudden, but now he has the platform to do it against Cuba. Like his platform has always been anti-Cuba, anti-communism, whatever. And he's been so loud lately.
Speaker: and I just got, I just started thinking about this, about the assassination like, I just, oh and again, yeah, those, those ties back to those years, not yeah him,
Speaker: but But his yeah family members and, you know, these – the elite exiles and there was a lot of Cuban ties back then. Yeah. Well, and I also think it's the thing of like, as we keep saying, everybody has an agenda. Yep. And so like one thing might not be true and that – or it is true and it implicates this other thing and this other person acted this way because of this – This thing. and And it could be very tangential. Yeah. it's To the actual story. Right, right. To the actual theories, but. Okay. Okay.
Speaker: This one's one of my favorite conspiracies. It's the conspiracy that George H.W. Bush killed Kennedy. So George H.W. Bush was a CIA operative who worked out of the Houston office of the CIA.
Speaker: Internal memos discussed someone named George Bush in the week after the assassination. The theory is mafia hitmen could have been posted at the Dal Tax Building across from the book depository,
Speaker: with George H.W. Bush supervising them. This came up when he ran for president. And it had to be investigated. Well, investigated, I think, is loose. But people had to look into it to, like, say as he was running for president, I didn't kill JFK. Again, don't think he killed him, but he was part of this yeah whole elite group. Yeah. and um Oil. Oil in Texas. You know, with like Dulles. And once again, I don't mean to go back. The Deltex building also was owned by Hunt of Hunt Oil. so
Speaker: Okay. I guess I lied. last Last episode we didn't talk about Cuba. I think we talked about Soviet Union, not Cuba. Because now we're talking about the Cuban ah the cuban conspiracies. First is, so there's two conspiracies about Cuba. One is that the exiles...
Speaker: did something involved with the assassination. And one is that the government of Cuba did something. And those are, two as we've kind of walked through, the exiles are obviously on a very different wavelength than the Cuban government in the spectrum. So it's like... Two different sides of this. This extreme either did it or this extreme did And if we remember, the exiles were the group that the CIA tried to use and send in during the with the Bay of Pigs, what turned out to be a fiasco and and a tragedy um and a lot of them felt unprepared and unsupported. And i mean, it was like 1500 of the exiles who had been trained um by the CIA. Many were captured, arrested and lives were lost. So the house select committee on assassinations determined that anti Castro groups were not involved, but that did not preclude individuals from being involved. Yeah.
Speaker: Many Cuban exiles blamed Jack for the Bay of Pigs failure, and some of those exiles did end up working with the CIA. We know Oswald had ties to anti-Castro Cubans.
Speaker: There were rumors that he helped transport weapons from Miami to Dallas twice before the assassination. So going from Miami, of course, would be their Cuban weapons.
Speaker: being kind of trafficked through Miami to get to Dallas. And we pretty not much know that Oswald did have connections, maybe, maybe genuine, maybe Rue intelligence. You know, we don't exactly know. Yeah. But we do know that he had been working on the Free Cuba Initiative. Yeah.
Speaker: But we don't necessarily know his motivations behind Yeah. Or if he was ever even taken seriously. Yeah. So. So let's talk about the Cuban government now. The theory is the assassination was retaliation for the CIA's attempt to to assassinate Castro.
Speaker: The theory is Oswald worked for Castro. Johnson suspected this as he, quote, never believed that Oswald acted alone. Castro actually always denied this, saying it would be too risky for his country to have been involved.
Speaker: And i I don't say this much, but i kind of believe Castro on this one. I know. you know. i thought the same thing. He's just like, i I had nothing to do with this. I also feel like Castro would have said, hey, look what we did.
Speaker: You're right. Taking credit for it. yeah and And interestingly, LBJ didn't want this theory to be taken too seriously either because he did not want a World War III. So I think he was definitely threading a needle here on – how much he supported. Yeah. So we talked about Cold War a little bit, but the Soviet government itself, the theory is real basic that Khrushchev was embarrassed about the Cuban Missile Crisis, so he had JFK assassinated. That's it.
Speaker: You know when you're embarrassed, you'll do it. Yeah. These, these delicate men.
Speaker: her So another theory is the Israeli government had Jack assassinated. Jack opposed the Israeli nuclear program because of this. Johnson got orders from the Israeli government to have Jack killed in a quote Zionist conspiracy.
Speaker: Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Guarion – sorry, guys – orchestrated the assassination because he knew Jack was keeping weapons from Israel. I don't think that at all.
Speaker: No, but it's interesting how these same things yeah we're still talking yeah about today. Yeah. Okay, so the last – conspiracy theory out in the world that I found. Side note, if anyone finds more, let us know. Because I want to know all of them.
Speaker: You can even like go on our social media when I post the episode and comment, like, I heard this conspiracy theory and I'll check it out. Last big one is that organized crime took a hit out on Jack, basically.
Speaker: So this theory starts with Eisenhower, who had placed an arms embargo on Cuba during Castro's revolution. but the CIA and the mafia still sold weapons to Cuba.
Speaker: We know Jack Ruby had tides had ties to Dallas crime bosses who were connected to New Orleans mafia boss, Carlos Marcelo. Some mafia members worked with the CIA on the assassination attempts against Castro.
Speaker: So mafia families had casinos, in Cuba that were run by these families. They they were very profitable ah in the mafia world.
Speaker: Yeah. And Castro shut them down. Yes. And this led to these mafia families having strong ties with anti-Castro Cubans.
Speaker: So like the exiles. There was disdain for Jack, for the Bay of Pigs, and for his brother Bobby, who had this war against organized crime. When we do the Bobby episodes. We'll talk a lot about that.
Speaker: um And this, so basically this bubbled into like just overall anger with the whole Kennedy family, the whole, if you're a Kennedy, these people didn't like you. Which is ironic because there's rumor that Joe, ah Jack's father had worked with some mob groups to help get Jack elected.
Speaker: and these were pretty strong rumors. Yeah. Yeah. And how, you know, kind of what the rumor goes is like once Joe got what he wanted, kind of didn't work with these groups anymore, perhaps not fulfilling some promises he made or things like that. And then all of a sudden his son Bobby is going after the organized crime in the country.
Speaker: Carlos Marcelo wanted Jack eliminated to remove Bobby's position from the administration. The FBI alluded to having some audio recordings suggesting that Marcelo told his cellmate,
Speaker: that he facilitated the assassination. This was like, i don't even remember what he was in prison for. One of the times he was in prison. Marcelo was very big in the New Orleans mafia scene and his name comes up a lot um in association with yeah with the assassination. Yeah.
Speaker: So in addition to Marcelo, there are rumors that Jimmy Hoffa and Santi Traficante, all, also may have ordered the assassination. Jimmy Hoffa, when we get to the Bobby episodes, that is who Bobby and Jimmy Hoffa were butting heads.
Speaker: Tremendous. Like the biggest battle for Bobby against organized crime was with Jimmy Hoffa. Another kind of element of this theory is Christian David, who was a member of the Corsican Mafia, claimed that he was offered the Kennedy assassination contract, but he had turned it down.
Speaker: He would claim that there were three shooters, but he was only willing to name Lucian Sardi because the other two were still alive. He claimed that they dressed in uniforms similar to police officers' uniforms to blend in.
Speaker: And we know that a couple witnesses said that they saw what they believed to be police, but they weren't sure behaving strangely at the time. There had been four mobsters that were used as CIA assets under Nixon.
Speaker: And coincidentally, Nixon had business interests in Cuba as well. Because the mobsters were heavily entwined with the CIA, Johnson turned down the volume on mafia investigations, which allowed the mafia to regain its power.
Speaker: So, yeah, a lot of the the intertwining with CIA and mafia informants. hu Which, again, goes back to stuff we still talk about today, right?
Speaker: Yeah, yeah. All right. This was kind of a shorter episode because it was very straightforward. um Well, I mean, I do think that that there's something to be said about we talk about each of these Theories being separate, but – and we'll get into it a little bit more.
Speaker: Bits and pieces or combinations of each may have been factors. Yeah. I mean, I don't think one is completely correct, but I think each may have truths in what yeah actually happened. I just don't – Yeah, I think every – everybody mentioned in every conspiracy had a reason, not even a reason, but could find a benefit in JFK's death.
Speaker: And there was connections that were never formally publicly known. Yeah. You know, as we talked about, like the CIA and the mafia had tight connections. The mafia having their casinos in Cuba, tight connection. So that, you know, there's, there's tons of overlap and what, like what initially seems like distinct groups and distinct motives.
Speaker: Yeah. And I think we need to revisit that because I think think that it is a pretty important concept and understanding yeah so next time I think you're gonna talk quite a bit about your thoughts about what happened or connections or I'll um I'm gonna go into separate you know on almost like separate like individual theories like this um But really, when you hear the things that I have to say, it is a combination or there are elements of everything you talked about here.
Speaker: So it's taking a lot of these and and maybe presenting them from a different standpoint or showing how they could have been combined.
Speaker: moat There could have been overlap in motivations and actually and actually how the assassination was conducted, just the logistics. So I think it's, I think it's interesting. So.
Speaker: Okay. I'm excited. So we'll do that next episode. And then the following episode, I promise will be the last JFK assassination. I'm going to talk through what I think happened.
Speaker: and do kind of some wrap up. Some final thoughts. Yeah. thing Yeah. So, okay, cool. So I'm excited hear what you've got for next week.
Speaker: All right. Well, thank you for joining us. um Sorry, it was kind of a short episode. That's all right. It was a fun, good fun, short one. Yep. All right. We'll talk to you guys soon.
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