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Speaker: Welcome to Fixate Today Gone Tomorrow. I'm Nikki and I have ADHD. Joy is autistic and we are letting our hyper fixations fly. Today we are fixating on the Kennedy curse.
Speaker: Welcome back, everyone. Hello. We are winding down on the JFK portion of our Kennedy curse series. Almost there.
Speaker: Almost there. Last time we talked about all of the just conspiracy theories floating around about the JFK assassination. and I think what we're doing today is you've kind of made ah an amalgamation of a bunch of them.
Speaker: Yeah. So ive I mean, I have i got really into this. So I have read multiple books. I've watched many documentaries. But um i was on I was traveling. i was on a lot of road trips and I was camping a lot. So I got into watching this actual, like this University of California, like college course. I mean, it was taught by like a highly respected, high level government insider, like a higher Harvard Law School graduate.
Speaker: And it kind of like an expert on like the 60s and the 70s and what was happening um in politics. So like I watched an entire semester. I can't say that that what we're going through, I can't take credit for these being just my individual thoughts. And I want to present it the way he did. And he he presented it um like as eight different levels, what he called like eight different octaves of building out the theories. Yeah.
Speaker: And I'm going to, okay. Now each one of these, we'll call it, I'm going call it levels, not all octaves. We're like three hours worth of class time. And I'm going to narrow that down obviously to minutes.
Speaker: So um i'm I'm excited to share it. I mean, it goes from very simple to very complicated. And yeah, What I think is interesting is you did, you kind of went over some of the, just the different theories and out there.
Speaker: And so many of those are intertwined in what I'm going to present. Okay. But if they're intertwined. Like it's not, none of them is stand like standalone. Yeah. And I'm going to be honest, like I, that's what I, yeah you know, we'll talk about at the end, like what we think our actual, our final thoughts are. But I do believe that yeah it's not one thing. It's a lot of things put together. Yeah. And maybe so complicated that we can't understand. but I would believe that. Yeah.
Speaker: So um we will start with like kind of level one, the Most simple, but what we're been taught throughout history and then I don't know if I would say widely accepted, but the general narrative that's out there. And that was, you know, that Oswald was ah just like a lone gunman that he was.
Speaker: This was the theory that was set forth by the Dallas police within hours of the assassination um confirmed by the FBI within days and and then constantly referred back to by the Warren Commission and fed to like basically all the mainstream media. Yeah.
Speaker: This ended up going down basically in history books. And if you search for the assassination, essentially this is what you will find as the official version.
Speaker: Yep. That is basically what we walked through when we were walking through. i hesitated to say facts, but what we have been told through history, that's what we walked through in our Oswald episodes. Yep.
Speaker: So basically this is that there was one deranged, troubled man, Lee Harvey Oswald, that he was upset and confused that he had gone to Russia as a defector, lived there, he came back to the U.S.,
Speaker: Which which are are true that that happened and that he was like pro-communist and ah and the theory um Although it's been taught throughout history Actually, it's it's said that about 80% of Americans don't believe it to be the complete story Yeah To some extent people outside the US are even less believing in this theory.
Speaker: Okay. But for years, this is a narrative spread by the media. And I mean, it became the accepted truth and factual account of the events. However, within 18 months of the release of the Warren Commission,
Speaker: Report. Questions started coming forward about the evidence provided, um and people started beginning to poke holes in the findings. Books and other theories started to come forward about the true nature of the perpetrator.
Speaker: And um question just questioning the truth basically never stopped since then. Yeah. Yeah. The public believed that the like the release of the classified JFK assassination um FBI files would clarify the truth.
Speaker: But although a large part of them were released in 2025, really new information was scarce and yeah really did little to satisfy public skepticism. hu yeah Which is interesting because back you know back in the whatever, 60s, 70s, this was going to provide all the answers. Yep.
Speaker: Yep. Once these were declassified and and released, we were going to know everything. And really, we didn't now hear a whole lot about new information. some So, which we'll talk about.
Speaker: So, that's kind of level one of what's possible. Okay. Okay. That's like, soul he was the only shooter. um Then we get into like the next level, level two.
Speaker: um We still have Lee Harvey Oswald. But that he didn't do this alone um as one like a simple crazy man. But he was functioning at the behest of the communists, either Fidel Castro or at the direction of the Russians.
Speaker: So a lot of this goes back to the fact that he did defect to Russia, lived there, um and was considered to have pro-Russianism. communist sympathies yeah that he was i mean this theory he's still like the lone killer but he did it as an agent of the communists like following out orders that he was given he was yeah i was just gonna say he was given some sort of orders that he was yes he was doing yeah Probably making him less insane. Yeah.
Speaker: And very sane in like what he was doing. Maybe, yeah. doing it on Doing it with a reason behind it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, still as evil, but...
Speaker: Sure. yeah So basically, this is still a lot of the same information that was released by the Warren Commission. It didn't really it didn't really ah change anything too much.
Speaker: Now, we must remember, though, at the time, the government didn't want too much blame going to directly to the Russians or the Cubans because we still we didn't want World War three to start. Right. Right. So the message was delivered.
Speaker: with care so that nothing directly, no incidents directly started. So, okay. Okay. Getting up to level three. Okay.
Speaker: So in 1976, there was like a house select committee on assassinations yeah that was opened up. So this was like by the government. Yeah. We talked a little bit about this in a couple episodes. I didn't get too, too much into it. Yeah. I mean, this is, um, it was supposed to if and like ah examine the, the official investigations of the JFK and the Martin Luther King, um, assassination in 1968.
Speaker: okay yeah This report was released in 1979. It was this was more bipartisan, independent committee, as opposed to the Warren Commission, which like they were they were each with hand selected by Alan Dulles was on the Warren Commission. Like, yeah, we like really beat up on Alan Dulles. Well, he's a monster. So I stand by it. okay So what they concluded
Speaker: was that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy of some sort. And we have to remember, when we talk about conspiracy, that's really broad work.
Speaker: Like, right any kind of cover-up, that's a conspiracy. So we have to keep that in mind. So they still supported the theory of the Warren Commission, that Oswald fired the three shots, and that the third killed the president.
Speaker: However, where they differed... um was the conspiracy... c ah The conspiracy... conclusion was heavily based on this new audio evidence that came forward that a fourth shot could be heard. And there was like there was a recording that was a microphone left open by one of the police officers that had come forward since the time of the Warren Commission.
Speaker: And they said that there was 95% probability that the fourth shot was fired by a second gunman. Okay. So, I mean, and they determined that the shots could not have been recorded in the same time frame that the shots were fired by the rifle Lee Harvey Oswald was using. Okay. I think when we talked about this back in like the evidence, you and I kind of assumed it was that piece of concrete that got shot out of the sidewalk.
Speaker: Right. Yeah. Would have been what was mistaken as a sound of a fourth shot. Yeah, possibly. Yeah. I think that's, I'm just trying to remember what we said. I think because that came up and we were like, wait, wasn't there a chunk of concrete that got ricocheted? Yeah. So, you know, I do believe there was a fourth shot in the second gun. man So, I mean, I mean, but, but we won we'll get into that at the end. Yeah.
Speaker: ah So there was no, and they brought forward, they said there was still no evidence that the Soviet or Cuban governments, the CIA, the FBI, or organized crime were officially involved in the conspiracy.
Speaker: However, they didn't rule out that individual mafia members of pro-Cuban independent groups were not involved. Right. Right.
Speaker: Yeah. So the officially the U.S. government at this point has now said they believe there was some kind of conspiracy. They believe there may there there was a another shooter fourth shot.
Speaker: But that's it. like But nothing but nothing else. We're sticking with that. Level four um is that. in retaliation against Bobby Kennedy's crackdown on the mob that they had ordered the killing.
Speaker: um This is pretty straightforward. So... Specifically, they used a group of assassins, though, that had been trained to kill Castro. Okay. In response to Castro shutting down those mob casinos um that had been really profitable to them. So again, the mob had casinos in Cuba that were very successful and profitable. When Castro came to power, he shut those down. He created a lot of enemies within the mafia. And um had a group that they had trained a group of assassins that were going to go over and kill Castro. And then they like rerouted them.
Speaker: They never did that. And so they get a backup job um and they use that same group of assassins. Okay. Could that have been like the exiles, the Cuban exiles? or is that This is still not the Cuban exiles.
Speaker: Okay. Okay. This is still a little bit different. so this the But then I think they they specifically they they say there was like 15 assassins so um and like three-person teams. and So the CIA, like in this theory, the CIA um had not ordered Castro killed ever, but they were kind of okay quietly aware of what was happening. i was gonna say yeah turn the other you can turn a blind eye to it just like oh no we don't know anything yeah but then again like i said it never really was followed wrong you know right so now we get into this like again like this group of yeah these are more like anti-castro assassins and they call them the s-force it's like 15 man assassin group must be like
Speaker: key number to assassin groups. And they again were put together by in the mafia, but they were put together at the request of Richard Nixon.
Speaker: I already believe it. So he was not, a he was the, he wasn't elected, but they thought he would be so that he had power and apparently, and then that's why they were following his direction.
Speaker: Okay. But that they like this group still kind of did it themselves. This is not like directed by the CIA. so And it was because they did it because they were so angry at Kennedy for not properly supporting the the Cuban exiles sent into the Bay of Pigs.
Speaker: So yeah, like it's a little bit different from the other one. Still mafia, but they're not... Right....based on the casinos. But this is more for anti...
Speaker: Castro and anti Kennedy for messing up at the Bay of Pigs. Okay. Also, there were these like five paramilitary training camps in the US.
Speaker: Okay. um They were throughout, they they were in Louisiana and um and in Florida. okay And so these were the camps where like the exiles were trained and others, I mean, were trained to go in by the CIA. Okay. More like the Bay of Pigs, you know, like for, to and Kennedy shut these down.
Speaker: And there was a lot of, you know, anger. They'd been working really hard. They believed in what they were doing in this cause conflict and the in the JFK movie. They kind of touch on this with some of the stuff going on in New Orleans. It's kind of part of the way the New Orleans tie comes in So, and these these sites had been operating in the U.S. under the quiet direction of the CIA. They were not known to the public or anything.
Speaker: They were kind of like all out in rural areas, you swampy areas. Out of the way. They're always in swampy rural areas, right? mess so so ah There were, this apparently, quoting this, they were furious that Kennedy had betrayed them.
Speaker: um After promising that he would free Cuba by the end of his term. And they they were turning on him and killed him, basically. Okay. You know how men are.
Speaker: And again, the group of assassins were called the S-Force. Okay. Okay. Level six. Yes. So this series is like kind of the same S-Force. They were created under the direction of Nixon, but like they couldn't have acted alone.
Speaker: They had to have some direction come down from somewhere higher. So, uh, So we have this S-Force, but they were supported um by a rogue element within the CIA, mad about not going through with killing Castro and closing down the training camps.
Speaker: Okay. Which... yeah That makes sense to me because the CIA was so kind of out of pocket and uncontrollable at that time. So I can see. ye And we talked about that. Yeah. We talked about how, you know, Dulles had been fired, had a lot of anger, but had a still a lot of loyalty. That's what I was just going to say. He probably, I'm sure, still had...
Speaker: uh people who believed in him very much so and so kind of the idea being that he was kind of the leader of this rogue element okay um and he yeah he was mean he was fired right by kennedy and and over the failure at vea pigs and they were there was no love lost between them no here we go so then level seven that is that the cia as an institution okay working with the joint chiefs of staff so we have the cia then working with essentially the military um had had they were called they were called a secret team and they killed kennedy or like so like people from these different so when when i'm going through and saying like The CIA did it. The FBI did it. The whatever did it. Members from each of these organizations are together as like a club.
Speaker: Yes. Certainly not like the entire institution as a whole. But select, I would assume leaders and people higher in the power structure coming together and and working together, I guess, as a team, which I don't know that they did that often or or even do that often. But...
Speaker: my ah My, I immediately want to say He-Man Woman Haters Club of evil who want to kill He-Man Kennedy Haters Club. All right. Yeah. Little rascals, man.
Speaker: Of sorts. All right. Adderall might be more.
Speaker: Okay, so the leaders of the CIA, we're getting to something else here, like are seeing, kennedy so saw Kennedy as a traitor because, here's a big thing, he had been secretly communicating with Khrushchev, the leader of Russia, I guess the Soviet Union at that point, and they were working toward disassembling the entire nuclear arsenal of the U.S. Mm-hmm.
Speaker: Which I could actually... I could too. Believe that. Yeah. I could see that, let's say. that I think that that is very possible that there was elements of that. And they say that there you there was kind of like behind-the-scenes letters going on between... That's what I mean. I think there's... um There's actually a movie coming out.
Speaker: i I don't know how I feel about it because it's from that like Angel Studios that does... The Mormons are in charge of. okay But it's about... Reagan meeting with Khrushchev and like this tiny little, like nobody knew about these meetings and it was negotiations for stuff like this.
Speaker: yeah And I think the point being like at this time, yes, they, they did have nuclear weapons, but they had a very small number and we had a very large number and Russia's wanted to do this forever.
Speaker: like to reduce the weapons. Right. Because it benefits them maybe a little bit more than us. benefits, the obviously, humanity the most. but ah But then also, you know, the people, the military leaders are like, this is the backbone of our military defense. This is what we have been working on this is This is the thing, right? This is what makes us the world superpower. Yeah.
Speaker: We have umbrellas that shoot darts yeah and this. Yes. And Kennedy, like like, you got good intentions, but you don't understand. i mean, I think that this is my my my theory on the mentality. And you don't get the whole thing.
Speaker: Trying to be a good guy. We get it. It was also, i mean, and so we also get Cuba involved in this, right? And then Kennedy had reached out to Castro also to normalize relations with them.
Speaker: And, you know, again, in this theory, the CIA and Joint chief Chiefs of Staff, which would be the military, um for them, Kennedy was trying to betray the years-long mission of the U.S. military to gain control of, like, basically the worldwide ambitions of our country being in control of the world, which i never really – I don't know why. i never really thought of it that way.
Speaker: that's what was. Okay. And again, i i can see some elements of that, right? like Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that that that I feel like that that's a lesson here is like, okay, there's elements of these that are make sense. All right, we've got level eight. Okay.
Speaker: So in this theory, like no one or even two groups in the U.S. could have dared do this without direction from above. There had to have been a higher authority that had given the green light for this to move forward, no matter who it was.
Speaker: Mm-hmm. That there is a more powerful group. Now, that you'd think in a way that you're thinking LBJ. But in this theory, there's like a more powerful group behind the scenes that directs the intelligence community. Yeah.
Speaker: Here we go. where This is a little we got it a little pivot here. Okay. And this is called the Sanctions Narcotic Trafficking Network. Okay. Okay? Okay.
Speaker: And anyone who's listened to my theories in the past, i I believe there's something to this whole narcotics trafficking ruling the world. but So this, i mean, in this, like going back in history is it's like from the time of the British Empire, um they chose opium as a mechanism for clandestine activities.
Speaker: And that's American intelligence copied this tactic since at least the end of 1945? Okay. Okay. with you. We talk, well, this was forever ago in one of our videos on the Micah Miller case when we talk about drug trafficking.
Speaker: I went into the history of the opium trade and how like, in like forever ago China. start so like Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. It even started. yeah You're right. Like further back. Yeah. But I think so much of human history stems from that, from that like ancient opium trading. Yeah.
Speaker: And isn't that crazy that this historic ancient, practice, here we are pulling it up, not just to, to, you know, the sixties, but we're still talking about it with Mike Miller.
Speaker: Yeah. Um, and, and again, I think there's part of, that there's something to it that, yeah. So, And this kind of makes sense because, i mean, if you know anything about the CIA, you know that portions um of the profits and sometimes manpower of the international worldwide trafficking community is quietly used to fund activities and secret intelligence service. You know what? I say that like it's a wide known thing. And I i guess that's not true.
Speaker: i mean, it's kind of ah quiet known thing, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would agree. The secret service needs to fund their activity somehow.
Speaker: They can't, you know, have these budgets that everyone knows about and they need to move, move money around. So it's always, I mean, it, it has, it's a pretty substantiated theory that yes, they do use some of these drug money, clandestine activities um to do this.
Speaker: Um, so I think there's stuff to that. Yeah. All right. We're getting up to level nine. Okay. So this goes be beyond the CIA.
Speaker: um Okay. Again, beyond any one group. beyond And that this had to be essentially assassination by consensus. Okay. Okay. And this is where we get into like kind of the industrial military command of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, CIA, FBI, and others in the government who were responsible for national defense um and just had to decided that the president had to be killed because he was in their minds. He was taking the position against the best interests of the entire country.
Speaker: um And they needed to continue to protect the most but are like most the most powerful military, the US military. And and again, the nuclear arsenal in the world.
Speaker: And, you know, That is because we had been, I mean, to this day, right? Like we are the most powerful country in the world. yeah And they saw Kennedy.
Speaker: And I don't think anyone thought he was with bad intentions. It was more like, I think it was naivety. Yes. Yeah. That makes sense. But that he had to be controlled.
Speaker: um So this is kind of like the idea was like after going through the Cuban my Missile Crisis, Kennedy was so impacted that he decided the world must move in a different direction and he wanted to disassemble the monolith of the power of the U.S. that had been building since the Mm-hmm. And...
Speaker: and When it decided to be basically basically the major imperial power of the world. and So it's pretty, like, we're getting pretty big. this is yeah pretty This is pretty big scope at this time. Right.
Speaker: And if you remember, again, I keep referring back to the JFK movie. This is kind of like, it's it's not the main main story, but if you if you watch that, there's this part where Kevin Costner goes to Washington, D.C., and he meets this man named like Mr. X. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's also a book called like The Secret Team. And and this that's where this, that kind of summarizes this theory a little bit.
Speaker: Okay. um So, at the I mean, at the same time, there was hostility between Kennedy and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Yeah. And... They had programs in the military service to push the ideas from the extreme right.
Speaker: um do you remember the John Birch society? We've talked a about that. So they were extreme right. um This is a group of men. like I was going to say losers.
Speaker: i yeah some will of Of people. And. and the There was, here's something we've never heard, propa like like propaganda that liberals were the same thing as communists.
Speaker: And that the US, but, you know, but the ah yeah whole thing was that the US has been under constant threat from communism. And they saw Kennedy as actual, like an actual traitor by back channeling with Khrushchev to try to deconstruct the nuclear arsenal.
Speaker: And then they basically would took it upon themselves to kill the president. funny like right of Funny. Right before we started recording, we were talking about how to this day, communism is used as this word for just the evil other side, even though yeah many people, I don't even think get the definition or what communists. It's just the bad guys. Yeah.
Speaker: Well, and it's, I don't disbelieve this because we'll, gestures vaguely look at right now in our her world it's just like I think a year ago I would have been like this is a lot and now I'm just like yep totally could be yeah yeah I mean you see like these are kind of crazy and they're getting very broad but you see that there's elements in them especially yeah Especially that with what we've gone through lately.
Speaker: For both of us, both of our brands of neurodivergent leans heavily into pattern recognition. Mm-hmm. That's why I'm like, yeah. Are you talking about like yesterday are you talking about the 60s? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. um And gosh, there's even some of the same names, right? Or family names that keep coming up. Yes. Or know businesses or, you know, whatever.
Speaker: Yep. Definitely industries, right? It's always oil and steel and defense. we We hear about all that every day, right? Currently. So nothing's in some way, things never change. Or what yeah what do they say? As things change, but always stay the same. on Yeah, that's the, yeah, I i got stuck in trying to remember. So, um,
Speaker: So, I mean, again, like we're still talking about this. this and There's a lot to this theory, right? So this, in this theory, like orders had come down to the ah domestic operations division of the CIA, which is like the highest rank, most elite and secretive group.
Speaker: um And they had an assignment that JFK must die. Right. But whom from above could this assignment have come from is the question.
Speaker: Right. there's There's not a quick, there's not a simple answer to this. There theories that LBJ or there is a position that, you know, themselves, confluence of the agencies had done it. And I don't know why, but I don't think it was directly LBJ. I don't either.
Speaker: um He feels very much almost like a puppet. Yeah. hes He's like a means to an end. He see, again, he seems like he had the most to gain. Yeah.
Speaker: I don't think it was quite that simple. And him having the most to gain takes, um, the pressure off of the people actually running it. Yes. almost a scapegoat. Yes.
Speaker: Draws attention in a different way, which we see all the time still. So, um, and just kind of, again, adding to this. So, There is an alliance between organized crime using the trafficking routes through this Cuba, which is a big part of this, um and the CIA that existed at a secret level. And they worked to get together to plan this event. So this kind of goes back to that, like, drug trafficking. Weapons trafficking as well.
Speaker: we Yeah, have very much to build money that CIA uses. and But there were very specific trafficking routes through Cuba that were affected. That is a very known thing. And so this that put this ah event...
Speaker: plan and and action. This gave the assassins some kind of cover because there's this, you know, it gets complicated, right? Because the assassins were also CIA assets. A lot of the times I shouldn't say the assassins people from the mob and, um, and others were CIA assets, not agents. Right. But they had that connection. And so they would have the cover that cover to do something like this.
Speaker: Um, but not disclose the knowledge of how the CIA works in these clandestine ways with the help of organized crime and the pursuit of and intelligence.
Speaker: Again, a theme that I think is a very central is how the CIA and the mafia worked together and how they can kind hide behind that.
Speaker: And what it it kind of feels like, kind of when, we like, even talking about J.P. Miller in if he had a role in any sort of trafficking activity, it wasn't as the brains of the operation or the kingpin. It was almost like an MLM that he was one of the bricks in the pyramid.
Speaker: Yeah. And that would mean he has like this ah plausible deniability of like not knowing above him. Yes. And I think that's very, very much...
Speaker: part of what's at play here. Okay. I will say there is this entire, never another level to what this professor teaches that actually is the crux of what it all comes to. And it is this very large idea that this is all tight fascism from after world war two and, a lot of the scientists who are brought to the U.S. who are ex-Nazis. Project Artichoke. And how the world is run by fascists who want Anglo-Saxon white people in control. And I cannot even, like, get, like, i and then that goes down to, like, the elite um industrial leaders, basically, that came from, like, the Robber barons.
Speaker: huh It's complicated. i couldn't fully get my mind around Okay. So you say that and I'm like, yeah, obviously. but i mean, like, again, ah I mean, the, you know, robber barons of the and eighteen hundreds Yeah.
Speaker: Now we have the tech giants and the billionaires of today. Yep. And the blatant racism that we see these days.
Speaker: That's not even a secret. Immigrants being the enemy. Usually brown and black people being the enemy.
Speaker: hu um Needing to control women. Yep. Who are not in those, you know, the boys club of these, these bosses, I suppose, um who are,
Speaker: put into a status of submitting to these men. And when they start trying to figure things out, needing to be controlled. And they're almost completely ignored. They're almost not, there's not even part of this. The only time we hear pretty much a female name come up, it's like as somebody's mistress. Yeah.
Speaker: hu ah You know, and that's why I hesitate to always say men. But it is. But I don't know. i i don't know in all the research we've done. i mean, there was Ruth Payne.
Speaker: Well, and here's the thing. If you're talking about today, and sorry if we're going to alienate people. I feel like no Trump supporters listen to us. But- Who are the people who have lost their positions from Trump's cabinet?
Speaker: Pam Bondi and what's her name? Ice Lady. Ice Barbie. I think that's her official name. Yeah. no I really can't remember. Boebert. No, not Boebert. No, no, no, noel no, no. Christy Noem.
Speaker: Thank you. We got there. You just watched our brains work in real time. This is how it works. The women are- Tulsi Gabbard. Yep. Women taking- And I'm not defending these women. No, absolutely not.
Speaker: What I'm saying is that their male counterparts deserve to lose their jobs as well. But- we Three women in the last, what, maybe year and a half that have taken the fall for men.
Speaker: Yeah. I mean, yeah. we knew And that was like when he put women in his cabinet, that was the vibe was like, oh, that's who's going to be the ones who are taking the fall for him. Like he's going to sacrifice women. And i and I'm not, I believe I'm post-feminism.
Speaker: But it's hard to be that way anymore. Yeah. it's It's so blatant. but But we get off track. We get off track. but But I don't even think it is off track.
Speaker: Like, it's just, it's these, like I said, like, we recognize these patterns in a lot of things. But this, like, it's a cycle. Like, this is a pattern of, hate like, global behavior.
Speaker: Yeah. i mean yeah I mean, we have this group of billionaires and elites. Hey, there's some female billionaires and very powerful women. They don't ever seem – we don't hear about them. and with The Rothschilds. Maybe the Rothschilds. Some of the women in the Rothschilds. But also people of color or, you know, there are people who – are that powerful or could be that powerful, but they are not male and white.
Speaker: Right. Exactly. And those are the people that it's easier to cast blame onto. Or at least not include. to Yeah. For self-preservation.
Speaker: Very interesting. Yeah. Very interesting. And how this all still plays into, you know, and you can, we all he also got into, oh my gosh, so much about how some of the people tied up in,
Speaker: the JFK assassination were then part of Watergate and then that there was then it would get ties into Iran-Contra so and again you hear these same names in our legacy names you know families a lot of it's connected to these same families too yeah I think what's tricky is that's how we were taught it was not that there's overlap between these things because that's I mean that's how you have to learn history right is like a teacher teaches you okay this is what Watergate was and then let's move on to the next thing without seeing like the connection of people or systems that make those things um connect and have actually like perhaps worked together
Speaker: To lead to the next thing. They're not distinct. Events. And they're complicated. yeah They're hard to understand. Yeah. And kind of, I mean, to be honest, they're kind of boring.
Speaker: Yeah. At least Iron Contra is really boring. That's so boring. But I think it was important. Yeah. I just don't understand exactly why. Yeah. And honestly, it was a lot of stuff like from after Iron Contra that we see like the Epstein stuff ah hu really kicking into gear. and And not to say there's a whole bunch of stuff that's also going on. It's not just these, right.
Speaker: You know, these specific parts of history. I mean, there's lots and lots to it, but, but I didn't, I i never really thought about how much the JFK assassination would fall into these trends that we see to this day.
Speaker: Yeah. Thought of it as distinct. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I agree. And when you think about how we're taught about it as Lee Harvey Oswald being a lone gunman who was crazy and just killed JFK, you understand why we would taught that and how that was a complete simplification and it satisfied people's minds and we're done there. Yeah.
Speaker: And, you know, I've never learned too, too much about the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. I have not either. I... bet we would find very similar events or themes or patterns again. yeah I mean, because we also have to remember, and and that we haven't even talked about this, Kennedy and the civil rights movement, which I don't think is 100% not related to all this. all I mean, we we haven't even dug into it, but that was a huge, I believe there was also a huge component. And that is probably where where we get into the overlap with. Martin Luther King.
Speaker: Oh my gosh. This got so deep. I know. But I'm so glad you listened to hours and hours of, uh, class it was funny and then I was trying to get my son as we because we were driving I'm like can you just listen to this it's so interesting and he turns it on he's like this is literally a college course mom I'm like yeah he's like I am in college I do not i can't do this to another college course like no we're turning this on which you know what fair
Speaker: So it was fascinating. And there were people in this class that were like lifetime learners, you know, that like, yeah, which, i you know, you never think of it yourself as the old person who goes in and audits class. But it was really interesting.
Speaker: but It was also so funny when like the students are like raising their hand and you like kind of get to know the students yeah um in the class. It was really pretty funny. But and yeah, it was a it was a long time. but It was so perfect for a road trip. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say good road trip. Listen.
Speaker: Yeah. So, and I learned a ton. Yeah. Right. Tomorrow. Final thoughts. Next week. Wrap it up. Sorry. Next week. Final thoughts. We wrap it up and we have our, our theory.
Speaker: Yeah. Which are not as simple as we thought they'd be when we started. i't Yeah. So that'll be, yeah We'll share kind of what we think and close, close the chapter on JFK.
Speaker: Yes. And then move on. We may reopen that when we get to Bobby. Yeah. Which is we'll have to, we'll try to keep our, like, so rain it in the just for the sake of like clarity in my process,
Speaker: The JFK episodes I had planned for, like most of the episodes I only planned for one episode, right? Sometimes it turns into two. JFK I had planned for, I think it was five and we're at however many we're at. but So in comparison, the Bobby Kennedys only so planned for two.
Speaker: So hopefully it won't turn into... I don't know what we're at. 697 of JFK. At some point we are going to have to have a new topic and or we're going to become a Kennedy channel. but But this is how we work. This is the premise of our of our podcast is that we – really it starts as something that Nikki was fixated on and i really wasn't. And then I see if I can become fixated and maybe – Because I'm autistic, I sometimes get more fixated and take it the next level. And that's great.
Speaker: I love that for us. All right. Well, everyone have a great week. We will see you next week. All right. Bye. Bye.
