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Season 3- Episode 27- This is Not AAU Rugby (Premiership Round 19 & Super Rugby TT Round 1)
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It's those American rugby knuckleheads coming at your with more fun for your to laugh at. In this episode we talk about a certain Eagle that's also a Falcon, or you know at least for a little while longer. We address the tip of a very nasty iceberg in terms of what USA Rugby can do to get itself going, and an AAU team is not the answer. We talk about the new 7's league popping up over on this part of the earth and what the different pros & cons to it are. Of course we wrap all the action including a very bad bad man playing for Bristol and the first weekend of Trans Tasman Super Rugby. A bit about some Champi-Yanks League and you've got everything you need. Kick back, grab a nice beverage and tune in!
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Transcript
Introductions and Weekend Matches
00:00:08
Speaker
Hey, everybody. Welcome back. It is the fancy ready. My name's Jared. I'm Ben. Let's roll in plenty of matches, but then I'm back into this thing. It's actually not so bad. No, it's going to be relatively quiet weekend. Only seven matches. Yeah. Six, I guess. Well, six for our purposes, but seven to really note probably.
Midweek MLR Match: Odd Scheduling?
00:00:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:00:28
Speaker
Um, but yeah, and I guess there's one match that could be, I don't know. I don't know how interesting it's going to be. Um, so not much to talk about there. Nothing to go on there. Yeah. One of the competition. What the hell is that? You know, there's an MLR match going on like right now. Really? Yeah.
00:00:48
Speaker
them. I don't know why they did that. Honestly. Yeah. It's the two, it's the Gil Christie's teams. Yeah. The gills. Oh no. It doesn't kick off for another hour. Nevermind. I lied. Well fair, but still it's fucking Wednesday. Who plays rugby on a Wednesday? Apparently they do. All right. Well, whatever. Well, that's how that goes. Um, let's drink. Fuck yeah.
00:01:17
Speaker
I just wear, you get your favorite podcast, download rate review. Let us know where you found us and how you found us and all that good stuff. And let's, and please let us know what you think. If you think we suck, we want to hear it. I'm not, I'm not kidding when I say that. If there's something we're doing that you don't like or that we're not doing that you would like, let us know. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Okay. Um,
Fantasy Rugby Geek Tips
00:01:44
Speaker
All right. As always, make sure that you check out our buddy, the fancy rugby geek, especially those of you that are in champions cup finals this weekend. Probably a couple of good tips to pick up on that one. You don't want to go losing that final once you get there, right? Pro tip. If somebody's in the lineup, just play. Yeah. I mean, really, that's what it comes down to. That's why we're not doing start sit for the champions for the champions cup final. It's really, if they're playing, even if they're on the bench,
00:02:10
Speaker
Like if you have a problem where you have somebody that you could sit or could start, then cool. Ask us. We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll figure that out. But on that really, like if you, if you've gotten to that point, fuck you. Yeah, exactly. No, no, you're not getting any advice from me. Fuck that. You're in the, you're in the finals and you have a full lineup and you're wondering who to start. No, no, no. You don't, you don't need our help. You're winning. Yeah, that's probably true. We'll mess it up more than anything.
00:02:37
Speaker
Well, you're winning. You're like, who else? Who does your opponent have? Maybe like one or two players. You're winning. Probably. More likely. But yeah, so should be interesting. Just the same. So buy him a coffee, especially for those of you that are coming in on the run in as well to the champions, to the Premiership finals here, coming up here.
00:02:58
Speaker
And again, TRM upgrades, grab them. I wonder if it will be nice and let some carry over to next year at this point. You might. Either way, it's worth supporting the RPA. So do that thing, as always.
Racism in Sports: Albert Tuosui's Experience
00:03:13
Speaker
Black Lives Matter.
00:03:14
Speaker
with us, and as always, and there's no room for racism. Unfortunately, Albert Tuosui was the recipient of some pretty nasty stuff. What the fuck? Like, come on, man. What the fuck? What is wrong with you people? Like, I wasn't quite sure the context is because they want it, it's because they lost or whatever it was, but like, it doesn't matter, honestly. It really doesn't. No, it's because someone has
00:03:41
Speaker
problems. That's really what it is. Because there's no need for it at all. There's no need for abuse of players anyway, period. But when you do that, and you include racism, you're just
00:03:55
Speaker
There's something wrong with you at this point. There's there's no you're looking for attention. You're you're you know, you're trying to be like a huge asshole just because just because you are. That's sad. But so I almost feel bad for the like. Obviously, I feel fucking terrible for Albert and that's something he should never have to to deal with. But I do have a certain amount of fucking pity for someone who's that fucking broken that that's what they need to do. Not not much. But I.
00:04:23
Speaker
a little bit it's more of a fuck you dude come on let's let's let's grow up please god damn yeah that sucks yeah it's been reported to the police and yeah they're they're they're working on it so you gotta love albert uestui that fucking beard is glorious and he's that is a hell of a beard he's playing he's been playing really well so fucking he shouldn't be getting abuse at all
00:04:47
Speaker
And I'm one of the chief people who would tell you that there's not a huge fan of Tui Tui in general, as far just as a player. I don't think he's all that great shakes, but he's played very well lately. So even I can't knock any of his game in the last couple of weeks. So what are you doing knocking? Yeah, fuck it. Yeah, not worth it other than just a reason to hate. Fuck them. Fuck them all.
Champions League Expansion
00:05:13
Speaker
We are opening up a second tier of champions league as we, as you guys know, um, get ahold of us. We'll, uh, I will finally get the sweater out this week on that. I promise. Um, and I mean, not like we don't have all summer to sort that out just the same, but yeah, let's get some guys in early so we can, you can claim your spot. We're going to take eight more, eight more people into this and we'll work on two tiers. It'll be so much fun. Yeah, it is. And again, it's a fucking ton of fun. So, so this, it's, this is a good opportunity.
00:05:42
Speaker
Yeah, get in with the bands to definitely get that. That's that's yeah, it's worth it for the chat. The group chat is nothing else. It is fantastic. Absolutely. Oh, yes, I love it. Okay.
Player Highlights: Greg Peterson & Osamu Voudrey
00:05:53
Speaker
player movement and, uh, and transfers and such, uh, Greg Peterson is staying a Falcon and it is amazing. And they talked about him the other week. And I know this isn't like a stat that it's all crack, all cracked up to you, but at this point in the season, we're what 19 rounds in. Yes. I think he's got the most minutes played for. Yeah. Um, I was like, damn, that's not nothing. Like that's no, it's not durability. That's big.
00:06:16
Speaker
That's between him and Piers O'Connor, essentially. And then Piers has had a couple of weeks off. Yeah. And that's by design for Pat Lamb. That's not that Piers O'Connor has been broken or anything. No, no. It's just, yeah, he's getting a little bit because he played every minute of every match up until like three weeks ago. No. Guy definitely needed a week off. Yeah. I'm wearing all the gas, Gaffer. Yeah. But Peterson's just been a fucking horse.
00:06:41
Speaker
for that team too, so. Yeah. Stay healthy and we'll see you at Twickenham in the Viva there, big fella. Yeah. Looking forward to it. Love it. So we got Josh, your stuff with Scott on the way to Exeter that you were talking about on the broadcast actually this past week. Obviously, Tom Francis is not going to be sticking around this coming off season. He's on his way out and they're in need of props. So even if he's not somebody that starts right away, at least gives them a more in the locker.
00:07:08
Speaker
Yeah. Cause that's what they need. They really didn't need to need a prop. Apparently cause the third string. Yeah, exactly. The third string prop is still better than most of the starting props there. Fucking pricks. Yeah. Uh, good for them. Good for him. Yeah. I mean, not really.
00:07:26
Speaker
Uh, part of the Highlanders plan for Tony Brown. So just become super, super close. Right. Right. And especially if he's, he's not going, he's not wearing a national Jersey anytime terribly soon. So why? That's a, that's a law jam at that position too. So sorry, dude. Yeah. Um, so we have a real Fijian on the free Jack's now, uh, to eat Jackie. Uh, see if I'm going to try not to butcher this, but I will do my best. Uh,
00:07:57
Speaker
Oh, Samu Samu of Audrey. There you go. Thank you. Did you find a phonetic spelling or did you just pull that out? No, I just pulled it out. I was like, Oh, Samu Samu. Oh, it's Samu Samu. Oh, I can do that. I can, I can make those Samu Samu. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I do like those names. Well, there it's a double that helps. Yeah. Okay. Now, now my eyes have adjusted. Thank you. I was like, I'm not trying that until I'm like, wait, I got it. Um,
00:08:19
Speaker
I was too tired to try it when I saw it. I was like, Oh, I can't do that right now. I'm just not sure about the Vaudre. If it could be pronounced. Vaudre, Vaudre, something like that. Yeah. Or there could be a consonant that's not pronounced, but whatever. Doesn't matter. We can lean on our man down stamper when he announces it for the first time. That's who we can lean on with that. We'll have to watch the. Yeah, I guess we'll probably have to watch the replay later to get it or being around it.
00:08:48
Speaker
probably old news, but Nick Schoener is on his way to sale. It sounds like they are losing. Well, grip John. So Anita somebody to obviously go in there and in turn, Christian, are they really losing him because he played like this? Not much now. Yeah. I'm just sorry. Well, cause he's going to Wales. That's the point. You know, he's going to Wales so he can continue his international career for the Welsh. Yeah. No, I totally understood. I've just,
00:09:12
Speaker
finding it funny when they're losing him, except they had not even playing him. So yeah, right. Um, but yeah, so it sounds like it's a musical chairs between Shoner and, and we'll give John and then Christian judge going towards, um, going towards six ways as well. So it'll be someone put one in the, in the, uh,
00:09:33
Speaker
in the jukebox there. Oh, here we go. Sounds like and I think I just read Levi Douglas is going to be a medical joker over in France somewhere. Okay. I mean, he's not that's that's their style for sure. Yeah. Fair.
00:09:49
Speaker
Yeah. Uh, I think to two on, unless I'm, this is old news. Let me see. This is not old news last as a couple of weeks ago, but yeah. So, uh, so he's not with the club currently. Okay. Cause like you did play the other week. Um, I don't think he played this past weekend though. No, he did not. So yeah, I think he played two weeks ago though. Yeah, that sounds right. So that's pretty much takes up with the timing. I think that's shortly before he left. There you go.
00:10:16
Speaker
Oh, oh, I think we made a great mistake. We did not talk about Allen, one Jones at all last week with the lions. I had it on my thing. I'm pretty sure I skipped him by accident. Didn't talk about it at all. And I talked about it a couple of weeks ago. Like if there was anybody else that was a candidate for captain, I really wanted to hear the case. Cause I mean, no, it's there's a toji.
00:10:41
Speaker
But that's not that's that's that's a case can be made. Yes, I'm busting out my my part of my heritage. I could make that case. I would stand up and make that just to make a fucking argument. I'm not going to do that. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure the case could actually stand up, though. No, fuck. I know. Well, I think I think I trust my argument skills, but at the same time, no.
00:11:05
Speaker
Yeah, you can't be down when Jones fucking for that out of this squad. No, it was always going to be him. Like, yeah, it was like Pharaoh was such a was such a question mark to get into the squad. So that was never going to happen. Sexton's not in it. Hogs not really.
Leadership & Deals: Alun Wyn Jones and Silver Lake Concerns
00:11:23
Speaker
No, you don't have a cap in a fullback. No, certainly not in this series. You don't want to be right.
00:11:30
Speaker
And it was I think it was really I think down to six nations. Really? I think that if ever the case. So it was Alan wins to lose or morrows to win. Morrow certainly did not win it and Alan wins certainly did not lose it. So yeah, didn't lose it. Definitely not so good on the man. Thank you. Thank you for the one that said.
00:11:54
Speaker
Pretty sure he walks around in the kit all day. Yeah. Cause he just shows up in the broadcast and the full lions kit. I'm like, Oh my God, it makes sense. He's already in the kit. Yeah. Of course dude will die in his kit. Yeah. Sort of God. So probably like a never nude from the rest of development. Even if he's wearing other clothing, he's got his kid on underneath, you know, like you don't know it. Oh shit.
00:12:18
Speaker
Well, just the same, I feel happy for Alan when, you know, there were a lot of things I was excited about the other week when they announced that squad. That was the first thing I was really excited about. I'm glad that they got that note. I didn't really think Warren Gatlin was going to screw that up, but you never know. You never know. You never know. So that's, so I was, I was excited to see that. So good, good for Alan when a well-deserved captaincy for the lions tour coming up here. Yeah.
00:12:46
Speaker
So while that's going on, we're going to have some July test series going on here. We're going to have looks like Australia is going to play France in Australia. It's going to be a cracker. Yeah, that should be a good bunch. I don't know who the hell is going to hopefully somebody carries that around here because I would like to see that as much as I'd like to see the Lions. Yeah, you know, but we'll see. And then the the Kiwi team, the All Blacks are going to take on a lot of the the islands.
00:13:15
Speaker
which will be nice Fiji Samoa Tonga all gonna be involved in one way or the other. So they're doing they're doing them a solid there. Still, I still have some, the more I find out about the Silver Lake deal, the more I'm kind of not really into it. So which one? The New Zealand rugby? Yeah, it's like it's very similar to the
00:13:38
Speaker
was it the whatever the deal was that bought like pram pro rugby six nations I don't remember the friggin entity that bought it but my being it's it's a little man and I understand the ejection of money is nice but sometimes you just
00:13:52
Speaker
You give away a little bit and it's like, how much do you want to give away? And it sounds like there's also something to do with one of those new teams with this and there's something a little shady going on there where the money might not be going to the right places. So that's also the other thing that's got me worried. So I don't know if the deal has been done or signed, but man, if it hasn't been, I hope somebody kills it. So just for the good of it, honestly, you know,
00:14:19
Speaker
We suffer, we suffered enough. We can, we can keep suffering for a little longer to find a better or something better. That's all I know. Um, another new announcement on this side of the pond was the premier sevens.
Premier Sevens Viability
00:14:36
Speaker
I'm not, I, I, I'm on the fence about this.
00:14:43
Speaker
I understand more rugby is good in some ways. Cause it gets the, it gets the, the ball out there in front of, in front of fans. But is this too much too soon? Is the other side that I'm also looking at and this here in the U S and I'm like, eh,
00:15:01
Speaker
And also what are these, what are these like? So we got, we got six, potentially six clubs for men, four clubs for women that are just going to play tournaments. Now, what are these teams going to do when the seven, the HSBC sevens comes around? Like when the world series comes around, what are they going to do? Like, are they wanting to do this between that like, or around that? I don't.
00:15:22
Speaker
It's unclear at this point. So that's the other thing that needs to probably be answered too. Cause you're not there. All these Olympians are saying they're starting, but they ain't going to frigging be there if the world series is going on. So it won't matter. Um, but look, anytime you take it, you try to professionalize something. I'm going to, I'm going to be for it. Yeah. You're going to lose the top players, but, um, this is how, this is the best way you can develop talent.
00:15:50
Speaker
And you make it, you know, you put these players together and they'll learn from each other and they'll get better. Right. Um, so, and that's going to advance the sport a lot. So I'm in, I'm in favor of it. Just, just for that reason, it's, I think it's worth taking the chance. Did you see who the GM of this league is? I don't give a fuck. It's not going to be someone I'm liking. It's my token.
00:16:17
Speaker
Yep. That guy. So about that. What was it? My thoughts exactly. Chris Griffin watching like no way out. Like I don't get it. How does Kevin Costner keep getting work? It's like Mike Tolkien keep getting work.
00:16:41
Speaker
Nobody knows. It's a mystery. Oh, there's a big, there's a big cabal. That's in favor. That's got him involved or something. The stone cutters from the Simpsons. Right? There you go. That's a good one. Um, is he a skull and bones guy? Is that what it is? Or maybe that's what it is. Fuck. Uh, but I do want to take four minutes and,
USA Rugby Development Critique
00:17:05
Speaker
I'm gonna take it in you gave talk about youth development and developing talent. You know, and you and I have had this discussion not on here a whole lot, but like, you see the the teams that are doing well and kind of pulling themselves out of the fire.
00:17:09
Speaker
and
00:17:22
Speaker
And it's through the U-20s program with, you know, Australia's come good with a couple of good U-20s team. England built their 2019 run off teams, off players from their U-20s program that were, that did well. So I'm wondering at what point do,
00:17:43
Speaker
Does the US stop screwing around with, oh, let's find all these expats and all these things that are technically US eligible? And you need those at our level. You can't say no. But I think looking at it from a ground up,
00:17:58
Speaker
So there's the, there's the U 20 world cup. Then there's the U 20 world trophy. The U S isn't even in that. So there's a promotion, relegation thing that goes on between that the winner and the final place team from the last place team from each trade spots. So I'm at one point I'm wondering, like, do that, when do they really just start to take that seriously and stop screaming around? Like you need to,
00:18:22
Speaker
You need to look at your young college players and your young and your older high school players and get on that. Yeah, I just worry about that. OK, so I'm not I'm not pooping it because you're right. You're absolutely right. I'm just wondering how it's going to work in the US, where you see like AAU teams
00:18:45
Speaker
Even in like, yeah, the Catholic League teams near where I grew up, like any sport, baseball, football, all fucking dirty as shit. All these youth programs are dirty, run by like shitty people.
00:19:03
Speaker
And just so implementing the US, I think it would just be a copycat of that, unfortunately. And that's, I guess, really what worries me. And you're not wrong in that at all. I totally understand that. Because it's not going to be done the way it's done in Europe, which is fucking that's the problem. Right. And you're not wrong in that. That is totally a worry. The good thing is we could. So we almost saw it a couple of years ago with the Americas Rugby Cup getting a U20 division.
00:19:31
Speaker
And that would have been a good place to, much like the Six Nations has a U20, that would be a good place to start and get those guys going together and start to give these kids something to shoot for at the very least. And so I think that's the way to go. Now, unfortunately, and you can tell I've done my homework,
00:19:51
Speaker
when you even compare canada in the u.s the two teams that are probably the top end of of this area um canada's u20 coach is just like an old retired player like he's like yeah i'm done i want to just concentrate and give back to rugby great freaking the u.s's coach is supposedly on nyak's roster or not nyak um
00:20:11
Speaker
United New York's roster. It's like, right? You can't be a professional player or even try to be a professional player and actually, you know, do your job with the U20 team. So at this point, it's title only, and he's probably getting paid a shitload of money to do nothing, honestly. Yeah. Or even any money to do nothing, honestly, whatever it is. It doesn't matter if it's a lot or not. Right. It's a lot more than he's really earning. Oh, 100%. So just, yeah, that's how they do. That's exactly what I was saying, right? It's going to be dirty. Yeah. So I mean,
00:20:41
Speaker
We all know there's going to be a point where we just like a group of players and a group of people that coaches in this country will go at USA Ruby and go at them hard and just be like, listen, you are not fucking doing your job. And this happened more or less a couple of years ago when USA Ruby went bankrupt, you know? And I think, I just think, I just think because we didn't as a group
00:21:07
Speaker
put our foot down on it and keep the foot on their throat and on the throttle and keep coming at them and hold them accountable. I think it went
00:21:18
Speaker
I think it went right in one ear and out the other, honestly. There was no effect to it. I got emails about SIP registration and shit, and I'm like, why? What the hell is going on? There ain't no point, man. It sucks that we have to keep doing that.
00:21:38
Speaker
Yeah. The play, like, as a club, like, what are the players in this country getting from this US team? Nothing. Certainly, what are the women's players getting from this US court? Absolutely nothing. Right. So, if they were to refuse to play, pace it, I frickin' would not blame them at all. I'd be like, yeah, you too.
00:21:58
Speaker
My wife has played for two Premier League teams, so like the top league in the country for women. And she's like, yeah, we never got anything, nothing from USA Rugby. And the league, it's not as though even the competition was getting anything from USA Rugby. They were just paying dues to her. So poor, so fucking poor.
00:22:20
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. So it's, it's there's a lot of people that should have their hands out and I totally agree. I think the two things that need to have their hands out right now are you 20 programs and under and women, like the men, they'll take care of themselves.
00:22:36
Speaker
Fuck it. The MLR is going and going well. It's not something that they should be concerning themselves. They need to focus back on the things that they've ignored for probably the better part of a decade. Right. So please, USA Rugby, stop sucking so much. So much in so many ways. In so many ways.
00:22:58
Speaker
Cool, we got, yes, we have two really cool test matches coming up in the summer, but what else? What else? If that's your thing and that's all you're worried about, then you're never gonna go anywhere.
00:23:12
Speaker
So there's a lot more to worry about. And I feel like it's a lot more that's getting ignored, which yeah, that sucks. So that's, that's my tangent. I went off a little bit. That was a lot longer than I thought it was going to be on shocker of the day. But we'll go on. Um, how dare you, sir. Yeah. You know what else is new for me.
Game Recaps: Reds, Hurricanes, Crusaders
00:23:32
Speaker
All right. Let's go to super ugly trans trans Tasman. Yee hoo. Um,
00:23:40
Speaker
Islanders, 40 reds, 19 reds, a little hungover. Yeah, a little hungover. I don't think too many people are shocked about that. Well, so, so you figure there's something else we need to consider here that I should have when I, when I picked against them or for them, um, they're coming off of the championship and who they're playing this coming week.
00:24:06
Speaker
Crusaders Crusaders yet. They're not they don't give a fuck about this highlanders. No, they were like whatever really don't It's yeah, it's this week that they're gonna gear up for so yeah didn't think ahead Yeah, Brad thorne stuff. I got gear up for that one. Whoa show Mm-hmm, but it would you know to the islanders credit they they took it by the scruff of the neck and they didn't let it go and
00:24:28
Speaker
So you don't know as a good New Zealand team should do. Yeah. Well, as most teams should do, but yeah, definitely that, um, what the fuck we'll get there. We'll get there. Eventually. Uh, your guys, CO Tompkins and gave you a thumb in your eye. Uh, and hookers scoring everywhere. Hookers all over the place, man. Hey, you know, when, when the hookers are scoring,
00:24:52
Speaker
Yeah. There was three Dixon got two and Colton got one. So that was the, that was the end of that one, but excellent job of the hunters. Red showed some toughness. James O'Connor once he went off. That was the end. Sorry. Yeah. Uh, over to the SGC, the Sydney cricket ground for without a doubt, the most entertaining match of the weekend. Well, Rafi got involved early and you know that with it then. Yeah. Entertainment followed.
00:25:20
Speaker
Yeah, Auburn Ledger had to come on because, unfortunately, poor Reuben Love, just no boy, no man. No, not good. That is Ouchtown, man. But he was moving his limbs, which is good. Yeah, he just had a smoosh. Yeah, seeing a few stars there. Yeah. Fuck. Sorry, kid. Yeah, he'll be all right. Yeah. He's done really well for the team this year, but obviously, he's not going to be in this weekend.
00:25:43
Speaker
As we know, I told I said, don't start the war ties front row. And I paid for that. Gus Bell and Eric Johnson homes with three tries. Yeah. Yeah, not a bad day for them. No, it was a good one. I think they went a total of five feet. But, you know, hey, not about this don't count about length. It's about girls. No, it was. Yeah, you know,
00:26:13
Speaker
There's this guy named Solici Rayasi that plays for the hurricanes and he's getting known more and more as the weeks go on and he's pretty good. I like him. Yeah, not bad. Nope. And we got a preview of what the life without Nani La Mape is going to be like for the hurricanes here too. Proctor and Umaga Jensen's turned up. Fucking Proctor was excellent too. He's better than his brother. Fuck.
00:26:39
Speaker
He's better than his brother, which is scary. I keep forgetting that. Yeah. I keep forgetting that, that, that Billy's actually better. Cause I see Matt, we see Matt a lot more unfortunately. Um, and he's pretty damn good.
00:26:52
Speaker
Correct. But yeah, Billy is, uh, is not too shabby. Nope. Whatsoever. Yeah. And, and you know, not to say that there were guys on the other side that didn't do well. They were there. I'm sure they're, the water tires are kicking themselves that they let this one get away. Cause they had a shot and then just, they just kind of let it all go. Um, the brain, you're a sick try.
00:27:13
Speaker
That was an awesome piece of work from him. He just decided, nope, come and get me. Yeah, he's a player. I enjoy watching him play quite a bit. Yeah, I wish they would start him. They haven't started him yet, but I wish they would start him. That's where I'm going. I like read printsep and all, but fuck through.
00:27:36
Speaker
Keep Dewey. When Artie gets back, keep him. Throw him in there. Yeah, even start him at eight for Flanders because Flanders is okay, but damn. Yeah, because he's been fucking ridiculous the past few weeks.
00:27:57
Speaker
And other side of the coin, Jake Gordon is definitely earning himself a yellow shirt here, I think. No doubt. You know, for as poopy as the Huertas have been this year. Not him. Yeah, he's been the one bright spot. So good on him. Although Donaldson's play of late, I'd say has been in a bright spot. Been pretty good. They have a lot to like about between him and Will Harrison. A lot, yeah. In those 10 shirts. So I'm glad that they have something to hang their hats on, at least for a little bit.
00:28:27
Speaker
Yeah, let's go over to the next day, Saturday, Crusaders and Brumbies with an absolute firecracker. My goodness, this was a fantastic match. I will say pre-match, I have got such a big crush on Cody Taylor now.
00:28:43
Speaker
I love that man so much like that was a turnaround you were upset that he He scored the most tries in the I didn't know I didn't realize he had scored the most What the hell kind of universe are we living in where the hooker leads the fucking league damn? I Mean the fucking but New Zealand hookers though, I mean that much Cody and and Dane I I'm not surprised that one of them leads the league Not they're not
00:29:09
Speaker
You know, they're try scoring hookers and he did it from all over the place too. That was the thing. He was all over the universe with those things. He didn't just do them from driving over. He got a couple of really nice looking, uh, open play ones too. So from distance at that. So the, uh, but yeah, in the game, just, this was, this was right down to the nail biter. And, uh, you got to feel for Noah, little CO, it was a tough kick to hit, uh, to tie the thing.
00:29:35
Speaker
It really is, but this is one of those that he'll he'll remember, right? This is something that that's that'll be a good long term. Sucks now, but.
00:29:47
Speaker
You know, he's going to, he's going to be happy that he has this experience next time. Cause you know, the next time this happens to him, he's in that position. He could be wearing a gold Jersey. So rather have it happen at this level than at that. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Totally agree. And, uh, we saw Braden and our star first, first time. That was good. I'm really happy to see him back out there. That was a nasty knee injury. He picked up last year, my goodness. So I'm really happy that, um, yeah.
00:30:15
Speaker
Rob Valentini, no Sam or no, no problem. Like this dude's playing out of his brain for the Rumbies. That is that, that dude's wearing a gold Jersey this summer. No problem. No question. They have.
00:30:27
Speaker
What happened in Australia? Like, I know 20 years ago where they just bred fucking Lucy's and. Yeah, because they have the whole reds, the whole reds backline could be plus plus, like there's right. There's four guys on there. You could probably argue on the reds on the wall. He's on the reds alone, let alone the rest of the league, which has got some really good looking talent. So, yeah, including this Valentini, who's just been
00:30:57
Speaker
Yeah. Unbelievable. Yeah. Unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Nice. Nice lid on top of that. Hell of a lid. Yeah. Let's run over to Melbourne.
Rebels' Coaching Changes
00:31:11
Speaker
And this is one that, I mean, new coach installed and all that. So it's understandable to a level, but man, the Rebels got to be really disappointed with the way they turned up for this one.
00:31:22
Speaker
Oh, well, I, yeah, I think they're, I think they're more disappointed and other things right now than, than just that. So, yeah, I think they're obviously, you know, like you said, the off-field stuff, the fire and the coach, like this is not, you can tell it was the wrong move because
00:31:44
Speaker
Sorry, it was definitely the wrong move because of the way the players have responded. It's not like what happened at Quinn's, right? Quinn's, they were like, oh, fuck. We liked him. We didn't want Guzzy to go, but we were just dicking around with him and the message received.
00:32:05
Speaker
Here it's more like, okay, message received. We're just fucking done. Not good enough from the Rebels to say the least, but the Blues took advantage and we saw some really good play from them. Like everybody was just thinking they were back. I swear to God. The whole front row thought they were backs. It was just, it was fun stuff to watch. That's for sure.
00:32:29
Speaker
And they're, um, they're back row kind of played pretty well, I guess. So two, two Robinson and Yohani coming on. Yeah. Talk about good back back rows. Um, and the, they're, they have two really, really nice looking outside backs that are young on this teams aren't Sullivan and AJ lamb. Both look very much the part last name sounds familiar to that degree, I suppose.
00:32:58
Speaker
I don't know. Is he, uh, yeah, cousin, brother, brother. Fuck. And I guess what? Nephew Pat's nephew. Yep. That's exactly it. Playing for the right team too. Cause that was Pat's team, the blues.
00:33:17
Speaker
So, yeah, it's looking up for the Blues for sure.
Match Highlights: Chiefs, Bath, Worcester
00:33:21
Speaker
They had disappointing Atero season, but that's a hell of a way to start right there, putting a blinder on there. And, you know, we almost had the duck broken, and really the Chiefs tried to do everything to make sure the duck got broken for Australia, but not quite. Game close. So many missed kicks.
00:33:48
Speaker
really both teams. Yeah. I don't think it had much impact on the match. Yeah. Just ultimately. Oh, and you know, Jacobson's taken the part of the hammerhead in that back row. Unfortunately, that was his second. You got sent off for a second yellow. He was like, Oh, you dope. What are you doing? What are you doing? But it was, um, this is, this is the fourth machine. I was playing the game. They wanted to.
00:34:18
Speaker
Yeah, the chiefs, I was sorry. I was stuck on the other match. Um, it's still in my head. The, um, yeah, the chiefs just kind of like, they got the early lead and then they were kind of settled into it. They were like, okay, we're good. We can, we can control the match. They knew they could control the match and then they just didn't.
00:34:39
Speaker
It's like they had that early pressure and then just kind of backed off certainly second half. And Jacobson, yeah, being a fucking hammerhead. You're already under warning for the second pen, like the second red. And I don't even know, like, fuck. Just... Yeah. And Damon Murphy tried everything he could to not give him that red card. He's like, we sure it was eight. That was not really what the TMO confirmed. I think he also couldn't believe it. He's like, is it really him? Is he fucking stupid enough?
00:35:07
Speaker
to do that. Like, okay, you know, I mean, that's that I'm sorry, maybe I was imparting my own thinking into it. It's like, stupid enough to be in that kind of position in this stage of the game. All you know, yeah, give him fucking read. Hopefully, maybe, maybe he'll learn. Maybe, maybe, maybe. And there was just the kick was oh, so close from reality. Not quite.
00:35:33
Speaker
man, it looked good until the very last part where it drifted wide. I was like, ooh. Yeah, I was happy to see that, but that's one of those, like, the Chiefs did not deserve to win, but they did. So it's, all right, getting out of it. That's one of those ones where you take and run away.
00:35:50
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. And there is there is the hangover for the Chiefs to to be expected and it's it's a hall like this is probably one of the longest trips we'll make in a long time. Right? Oh, yeah, nobody's made that temperature for a while. So
00:36:06
Speaker
Yeah, it's a little bit of that, but it's a tough trip to make as well. You're you are right in that one. Super happy that Miati missed that kick. I was. Yeah, thank God. Yeah, unpooped myself right afterwards. OK, this is good. Now it's time for coffee.
00:36:22
Speaker
Yeah, so Blues, Highlanders and Hurricanes all pick up bonus point wins, Crusaders and Chiefs get theirs just with an eke by. And unfortunately for Australia, I think this is a wake up calling. They need to take this more seriously. I think they thought a little bit too much of themselves after they're playing AU only for the last two seasons. Yeah. And this is the wake up call and brand two teams really gave it to them. Like force, Brumby's absolutely gave it to them and pushed them.
00:36:51
Speaker
probably deserve, one of them probably deserved to win and just didn't quite get there. But yeah, this is probably just a big old slap over the head for Super NBA U teams to just go, oh, oh yeah, we got, we got to play better. Yeah, that somebody's got to represent. And like you said, represent with a win, right? There were teams that represented, but that's not really enough. Use talk, baby. Yeah. And I'm really,
00:37:16
Speaker
I'm looking forward to that Red Crusaders match. Same. Same, same. Very looking forward. Yeah, but let's jump up to the north. A very strung out game week for the prem. We'll start with Friday night. Bath and sale. A bit better from Bath. They've put some stinkers out there for a little bit.
00:37:39
Speaker
but really they let this one get away with them because, and this was like a theme, like teams not taking advantage of yellow card chances, you know, man down chances. Like it was a huge theme most of the weekend.
00:37:51
Speaker
And, you know, the red half try was just brilliant to start the whole thing off. And so it certainly was. And I didn't know Max Clark could do the things he did to set up Josh Bayless, but he apparently can. Yeah. Sometimes he doesn't want to. Right. He's like, I think I called him the Northern Hemisphere, Quintupia. Quintupia. That's a good one. Yeah, I like that one. That's a good because like I've seen him do some awesome shit, but mostly it's like, you know, OK, where'd that go?
00:38:15
Speaker
Um, fun fact about the Josh Bayless try, uh, mentioned during the match, Bayless has scored three tries in the premiership. All of them against sale. So somebody sure put a quit on that or something. So yeah, next, next time. Uh, yeah, we get that, that, that matchup.
00:38:33
Speaker
Bail is to score versus sale. Apparently that's the only team to score against. I guess so. This is a character win for Sanderson's team, no doubt. You and I were talking off the record about Bevin Rod and the job he's had to do and the job he's done for the sale team.
00:38:56
Speaker
Yeah, you can see what Sanderson is doing with the team. It's fantastic. If you've listened to the pod before, you know our feelings on John O. Ross. I don't think John O. Ross has played since the last time. I think he was suspended, but I don't think it's anywhere near this long. I don't think he's played since then.
00:39:16
Speaker
And he's he's been like club captain. So I think Sanderson's moved on from him, which we're pretty happy about. And he's trying out guys like Bevin Rod, who, yeah, there was nobody else. So it's like, hey, you give it take it a shot. And, you know, he was he's been OK. And of late now, he's like, no, I get this. You know, he's gotten that experience under his belt and he's he's really fucking good. Yeah. And he is not very old. He's like 20. He's
00:39:45
Speaker
Uh, anyone eligible, but also what was he's from somewhere funny, like Isle of man or something like that. Okay. Wow. Okay. I mean, I don't think that team has a rugby team. That person has a rugby team. If they do there. And if you do, why would he play for them? Yeah. If you have the option, like if you get an England call up, you're going there. Yeah. You're probably going there. Not there. Not to Isle of man. Sorry, Isle of man. How much, so this was, I think.
00:40:12
Speaker
I think my meeting had ended by, yeah, by halftime, my meeting had ended and I had entered weekend mode, if you know what I mean. I don't know if you cracked up about the TMO looking at the Hammersley try and being like, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry. Wait, wait a minute, wait a minute. There is no way this player here has scored a try. It's not possible. So let's check. Was he forward pass? Was he in touch? Did he actually ground it? Like, are we sure this happened at all?
00:40:43
Speaker
it's like all right cool like okay first off it's not fucking give him the fucking try well you had like you saw it was it was not forward it was clearly that he hadn't he hadn't um gone in touch by that point if you were if you had seen enough of the replays of him catching a decent pass
00:41:03
Speaker
And like there was clearly, you could look at his feet as well and said, yeah, his feet are not in touch. Boom done. Give him, give the man his fucking try. Um, way too much TMOing way too much. You know, we, you talked about not having it in the, in the MLR at all, but damn, we can like this with the prem fucking just try or disallow it. You got six eyes on the field. Fuck. And if the TMO actually sees something, then he'll let you know, then buzz down. Yeah, absolutely. Come on.
00:41:32
Speaker
No, you're not wrong about that. But still, Hammersley, there's no way Hammersley's going to try. Yeah, it's one of those unbelievable moments. We sure about this? Yeah, no, no, hold on. Hold the phone here, chief. Yeah, so I get it. In that instance, I just didn't really think it was necessary to go that long. No, no, no, no.
00:41:54
Speaker
And was great by the Western Warriors just a little bit 2319. Ben Harris sent off. Did not like that soft. Yeah, tougher. Tough one. Tough one to give. I'd give it a yellow at most, but his dog was tackling Lawrence right into him. Like he set up. Yeah, he's high. That's why it's a yellow. But he was not.
00:42:19
Speaker
Anyway, he was the recipient of contact, much more so than he was, you know, deliberately striking there. He was run into. So, yeah, the red was much. That should be an easy mitigation, but... Not to be, not to be. Yeah, this was a tough old game for Watts. They kind of made it tough on themselves. Worcester stayed in it for a while.
00:42:46
Speaker
We saw Beck leave this game, but really that left the opportunity to put their best center pairing together, in my opinion, which is Venter and Lawrence. I agree. And obviously we saw them turn something magical, and especially with Venter scoring the try. Yeah, he scored, and then I think he set Sam Lewis up maybe, or maybe that's all he did was set up Sam Lewis. Either way, Venter had a pretty damn good game, if I remember correctly.
00:43:12
Speaker
You do. I've been watching him because I've been more of a fan of Ollie Morris.
00:43:19
Speaker
Yeah, no, Venter's been excellent. He had a try assist, so all he did
Wasps' Leadership and Strategic Analysis
00:43:22
Speaker
was set it up. That's what it was. Yeah, he assisted the San Luis try, which another guy that need, another guy that Worcester needs to turn on just a little bit more. He's been a little off his game. He has. He's been a little off his game. He's been fucking terrible. Let's be fair. I know. I like the guy, so it pisses me off that he's been terrible. So I'm glad to see him come good for a match. Yeah. Let's keep it, make it a thing.
00:43:48
Speaker
Yeah. And, uh, hard to say that Dan Robson didn't lead this team to the wind because of the way he managed it. Um, but yeah, it just really good stuff from him. And hopefully we see him in a white shirt a lot more this summer. Lester and Quinn's Quinn's try and pull another rabbit out of the hat. Not quite to be. Okay. In, in, um, in the basketballs.
00:44:16
Speaker
There's, you know, you have your tears of player within a team. And one of those tears and one of those situations or, you know, the thing you have is this is our guy. If we have one play to make, the ball is in his hands. Right. And it doesn't even have to be your star player at times, like big shot, Bob Hari. You know, if you've may have heard the name Robert Hari, but
00:44:44
Speaker
No, all he fucking did, besides he was great other than that, but he hit big fucking shots. You hit big shots. That's why they call him big shot Bob Harvey. He didn't necessarily do a whole lot else, but man, when it counted, he knew how to nail it. So, remind me what happened at the end of the match two weeks ago? Well, now three weeks ago. I do believe Mr. Marcus Smith won the match. At the death. What happened to match after that?
00:45:13
Speaker
Same thing. Put it in 10-10 and it worked. And this match, the last play, you have this set up, the only people who didn't think that Marcus Smith was getting the ball was the defense, was the Leicester defense. They went and queued entirely on, I think it was either Northmore or Tapuai. I think it's Tapuai.
00:45:36
Speaker
They keyed entirely on him. There was fucking acres of space for Smith if he'd thrown it out the back like he was supposed to, but he just got his dick up and forgot who, you know, what the situation was. I mean, he realized he hasn't played in a while. So, yeah, he just ran himself into a shit situation where even the support players were like, well, he's not keeping it because the defense is there, so he's going to give it to Marcus. So they moved off to support Marcus.
00:46:03
Speaker
Fucking idiot. Yeah, so I'm not going to upset me or anything. Yeah, it was, you know, in this type of game where they had to kind of wrestle, try to wrestle away from Lester. Lester did a decent job of controlling the game for quite a bit. They were still able to suck up and get two points. So, to their credit, that's the sign of a good team at the very least, though. Yeah. Oh, I'm not trying to take any, like, I'm not...
00:46:28
Speaker
Trying to take anything away from the Lester men. They play an Alice Genge. I mean,
00:46:36
Speaker
He's he's pretty tries in a yellow. Yes, please sign me up. I'll take it. Yeah, he's like I said, he's growing on me big time. Big time. I do enjoy I enjoy his game. I enjoy what he does. And I enjoy the fact that he just he has no problem taking it on his shoulders and saying, All right, I'll do it. Yeah. And he's responded the right way to the to the the Lions. Not that it's not it.
00:47:03
Speaker
like it sounded like he got looked over. It's just he didn't he didn't he didn't make the team. And that's, you know, he wasn't like, you know, snubbed or something. It's just what they took two more props. He'd be on the team. Yeah, there's a lot of competition on that team for sure. Right. Yeah. He's fucking scoring tries and keeping his head down. Good work by him doing the work. Do the work. You never know. Never know. Another one that was
00:47:32
Speaker
bit of a stinker up at Kingston park. Oh, by the way, we had fans at this one did Newcastle. And it was so great to hear them. We'll get to the other, the other matches that had fans in them. But man, it was so nice to just not have to deal with the frigging inserted crowd noise. It was, it was real fans. It was legit. And it was, it was beautiful. It was music to my ears. It really was, you know,
00:47:56
Speaker
But the Saints, another one that just let it get away from them. This could have been their match and they didn't make it so. And I would go as far to say that they let Newcastle win this one instead of Newcastle. Yeah, absolutely. Northampton just didn't show up at all.
00:48:18
Speaker
Um, very disappointing for effort on their part. But yeah, I mean, Newcastle just played the rugby that was in front of them and scored 18 points. Right. Like they, they deserve that. That effort was an 18 point effort on their part and the saints effort was yeah. 10 point effort on their part. So if, if, if Northampton had had, you know, rocked up the way they had been rocking up of late until last week, um, to have been easily theirs.
00:48:47
Speaker
Yeah, they had every opportunity. They had every opportunity. And just to say, nah, we're good. We're good. Yeah, never understand it. But it was it was the good stuff for the people being being, you know, stepping up after being snubbed by the Lions. Paul Hill with the try. Yeah, Jason with the awful. That was nice. That prop running in the loose. Don't want him on the Lions. What the fuck?
00:49:17
Speaker
There was a good offload from Dan's Grayson too.
00:49:19
Speaker
It definitely was. So, um, good on, good on your prop. That's how you do the two of them right there. Yep. Yeah. And then, oh, this was definitely one of the funniest games in the problem to watch. That was Bristol and Gloucester 39 to seven. This could have been six years. How much, but, but like, it's almost better this way. Cause like you got to see the tries. They didn't count, but you also didn't have, you didn't have an 80 to seven match. It's true.
00:49:48
Speaker
That would have been bad, like not good for the sport.
00:49:53
Speaker
This is much more equitable. And, but like I said, you still got to see some fun tries that didn't count. No, no, they did not. But there was some great ones that did. Chris Bowie setting up Charles Peatow. That was a fucking fun one to watch. I was like, yes, go Bowie go. Man, they don't talk about him enough. But yeah, well, we haven't seen this. Of course, we haven't seen Peatow either. So maybe and or Rad Radra. It's been a little bit feels like it's been a little bit since then.
00:50:19
Speaker
those two have been on the pitch and that changes things with, with the guy like Vui who can do shit like that, but he's not going to do that with just more. I don't know. More on a hand. Yeah. So, Oh, I mean, all right. We can talk about the red card. It's not, it was, it was a legit red card. It was a hundred percent accurate. That's there's nothing, there's nothing really shocking to that one. Sheedy. You naughty, naughty boy. Naughty, naughty. Oh my.
00:50:49
Speaker
Oh, great, great tenery all around. Oh my God. That past is set up. I was like, what the hell did I just see? Did he really just do that? Oh, it was glorious. I was like, even down to the 80th minute. He still knew it. He still was in heaven. Yeah. Oh.
00:51:08
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I mean, international 10. That was the other thing. That was the other thing. I was. I mean, I've. Anton can attest that I was rooting for Roger Roger to get a try. So I was so super happy when they went for the corner because it was a possibility. But as soon as you see Radrater running that tight line off of Sheedy, what the fuck do you think is going to happen? He's getting the ball. What do you think you should think of first? Like you're you're just look, you're fucked. Don't let it be Roger Roger. Make them use a different player.
00:51:37
Speaker
Yeah, make them pass it like right much or much harder than that at least. Right. So, but good, you know, fucking dirty pass by the whole setup where he looked like he was going out the back and.
00:51:49
Speaker
Yeah. And just went, Oh, this one right here instead. How's that sound guys? And no, and nobody knew what was going on except Sammy. Yeah. Um, you know, when Lloyd comes in and it's stepping. Yeah. He was like, he was lively too. It's like, yeah, Pat Lam's got this team ticking pretty well. And it's not, it's, it's really it like, okay. So we know we all know more hands, not going to be there.
00:52:15
Speaker
Um, in the, when it, you know, when the counts gets real, um, I've talked, they'll put O'Connor there instead of, if anybody, but Maylands and Pietal and rad radra and O'Connor and Sheedy in one back line. Are you stopping? I cannot wait to enjoy.
00:52:34
Speaker
We haven't seen that yet because mail-ins has been a little way fucking forever, right? No, Connor's being arrested and Charles Pitt has had issues been yeah in and out so like we haven't seen we have not seen Bristol and we haven't this is like I feel like this is one of our first time seeing like Vui, Lua to Earl and Hughes all together those for them They were they were the same back row last week, but they weren't on their game this week. That's true. Okay. There it was. Okay. Yep
00:53:03
Speaker
Two things I want to bring up. One is the effort of Kyle Moyle to knock the ball away from Charles Pietel. And Pietel thought he was free and clear. So, you know, we've talked. Good stuff. We've talked about Kyle Moyle on this one. And, you know, he's earning his spot in this club and he signed himself up.
00:53:24
Speaker
a permanent deal with the club. So it it's obviously showing his work there. Yeah. Yeah. And then the other thing I want to mention was Nathan Hughes and his in the blue hair in support of mental health awareness. Oh, good. I didn't know that was. Yeah, that's what that was for. So he's a big fan of the loose heads are a big fan of him and I'm a big fan. They use it if that's the case. So, yeah, I am another player that's grown on me quite a bit. And I'm a big fan of Kyle Sinclair yelling at Nathan.
00:53:52
Speaker
at the end of the match. You could hear him clear his day just yelling, Nathan out, Nathan out. And like just the next breakdown, he's just yelling at him something else too. It's funny that I missed, like you're used to that, right? Hearing stuff like that now because there've been no crowds. So funny to actually be able to pick out players yelling at each other again over the crowd.
00:54:21
Speaker
Forgot how enjoyable that was. And they were buzzing. It was really cool. And, you know, even Sheedy's interview for man, the match was difficult because you couldn't hear. So Ashton Gate good on you. You brought it. You brought it a hundred percent. So I we appreciate on the side of the pond. That's for sure.
00:54:37
Speaker
We do. And then the last one with fans.
Exeter's Victory & Free Jacks' Disappointment
00:54:40
Speaker
Were there fans? I couldn't tell. You know, Brentford Community Stadium is nobody. I don't think they'd had fans yet because I don't think they had ones that had fans at it. So this was the first time Irish had fans in there.
00:54:54
Speaker
in their new ground and man, they brought it and the match didn't match it, unfortunately. Sam Simmons decided he was gonna give them all a big double finger rocket and say, sorry, gotta crash your party so I can break this track scoring record here. He's good.
00:55:09
Speaker
Could you imagine not captaining him this weekend? What the fuck would be wrong with you? Not this guy. I certainly can't. Patrick from Sam Simmons is usually something I'm hoping for, but it doesn't happen that often. I'll take it when it doesn't. Like, yeah, he's just so fucking good. Because he please he is he's he's a rugby player. Like, there's nothing else to say about that, like,
00:55:38
Speaker
Because he's a forward, yeah, but he can play in the backs. I mean, most of his work is done at like the 13 channel, essentially. Scary. In the loose. But then he had those two pushover tries the other week, too. Right. The kind that George Martin can't get.
00:55:54
Speaker
So it's like he just does the, so when people talk about like potentially, you know, oh, it's going to be different when he's in line. It's like, no, the stuff he does is like, it's what makes him special is that he can do all that stuff. It's not like, yeah, he'll get, he'll have less to do because there'll be, you know, all these other players, but fuck, he's still going to be good. He's still, he's still faster than your backs and he's still stronger than your forwards. So.
00:56:19
Speaker
Good luck. Have fun. Good luck. Yeah, he's just that's one of those players you have your systems and I totally get it. And you know, as a coach, I can appreciate that. That's one of those guys, you find a spot for him in your system because there's no way he doesn't fit somewhere. You know, and if you're saying that,
00:56:39
Speaker
is why you're not picking him. Yeah. Then you've got a personal problem with him, honestly. And that's where it comes down to, you know, if you can't find a spot on your team for a guy who just does awesome shit when he has the ball and tackles like a motherfucker on defense, then what the fuck is your problem? Like that's a you problem. Like it's not him. That's a coaching problem for sure. No, no question about no question about it. Yeah. I don't know much. I don't have too much to say about the, uh,
00:57:09
Speaker
Um, the Irish though, I wasn't, yeah, they weren't, they weren't particularly good. No, unfortunately. It's really just, just the load of try was pretty, but yeah. Yes. He's, he's come. He's come good recently. So I'm happy to see that. Yeah. That's quite the, that's quite the back three they have there with, with, uh, him, Parton and, uh, hassle Collins.
00:57:28
Speaker
And Rona too, at that hinge 13 spot. Yeah. He's enjoying life at Irish. He's extended his contract even. So good on that point. I thought Coco missing a young coconut single play pretty well at 12. You know, that doesn't look like a terrible spot for him. He's just young. He's what? 19.
00:57:46
Speaker
Uh, let me verify yet 19. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, that, that will, I think that will work out just fine. Just let it come along. That's all it's going to be. And theobrophy clues coming at cruise or cruise coming at like, yeah, let's get rid of Patty and, and, and, oh, geez, please. And I would love, I would have nothing but love for the Irish. Anything, but anybody, but that guy, right? At this point, anybody, but that guy.
00:58:12
Speaker
Like is, and they don't need him at this point. Like I remember that they signed him because they're like, look, we need a player, but it's like, you don't need him anymore. No longer needed guys. Yeah. No longer needed a little MLR whip around real quick. Um, first of all, free Jack's disappointed, disappointing in the team. Honestly, didn't, didn't, weren't quite up to snuff. Yeah.
00:58:37
Speaker
Um, usually the, the reference, the first thing I would complain about Mike lash was very good. I thought so. They just weren't good. They, they shit the bed. So, um, not, yeah. I'm, I'm, I just came away from this match disappointed in them as well. Yeah. Props to Atlanta for, for doing the, for doing the deed and getting it done. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was, it was a poor performance from the boys in the red, white and blue there.
00:59:06
Speaker
Uh, around the league, San Diego top, Nola. Yay. Finally those assholes lost. Um, you, uh, Houston lost to Toronto at home. Austin beat New York at in Austin. So, uh, New York, a little high last week come down, come crashing back down to earth this week. Yeah. LA and Utah play that so far stadium. I hate watching. I have to say I hate watching review matches on a wank ball stadium. I feel like I can't, I can't do it anymore. Like we're beyond that.
00:59:34
Speaker
We're beyond that, you know? And I understand so far... But the fact that they can't... Yeah. They can't sort something out where it's like a... Why can't... What could... There had to have been something you could do for that stadium to get rid of those lines somehow. Somehow, someway. And not just paint over. Like, no. Yeah. We could be better. We can 100% do better, so... But just the same cool that they got there. I'd like to see the lengthball lines taken away.
01:00:04
Speaker
Um, so, but they beat Utah and DC got it out. I watched this one. It was pretty good. One DC guy went out against Seattle 22 to 18 at home. And as I said, the, um, the, the guilt, the guilt teams are the gold Chris's are, are playing right now. LA and Austin free Jack's got the old rivalry coming up this weekend, reigniting the rivalry. Yep. Draw the line and let's bloody go. Bring it on.
01:00:34
Speaker
All right, let's let's do that starts the thing that we like to do so much here. Fair. I believe I kick us off, right? Yeah, just just super ugly this week, kids. Just super ugly. So we start off putting our wellies on. Yay. For the canes versus rebels. For the hurricanes.
01:00:53
Speaker
Yeah, the front row. We talked a little bit about dang Kohl's earlier. And Terrell Lomax is pretty good in his own right, too. So expect good points from the Keynes front row. Curie fee as well. I'd say sit down with him unless you're really out of options. Ledger.
01:01:12
Speaker
I think he's got a shot to do well in this match. Um, cause it's, you know, rebels. Yeah. We'll see what the, we'll see what they bring. I know they, they, they mess with their team a little bit. Right. Well, yeah. So that's, that's the other thing. Um, the rest back line are good to go, except, uh, Houston, don't, don't go with Houston. He's been fuck. I don't know, uh, lately on the other side. Yeah. The Carter Gordon, um, into 10 and Timo at 12. I like it. It's fucking switch it up a little bit and you know, Timo can do it. Um,
01:01:42
Speaker
Maybe they'll, you know, changing up how they, they play a little bit will, will help too. Maybe fucking shake it up. Uh, Nazariah needs to go as his core Betty, um, sit the rebels front row though. Cause, uh, the Keynes are number two overall versus the, uh, the front rows out there. Yeah. I wonder how long, um,
01:02:03
Speaker
Oops. I thought Aisrani was suspended for a little bit longer. Unless I'm mistaken. Oh, maybe he is. I don't know. I thought I had checked and he was getting points lately. So I just... Okay. Either one. I don't know. If he's in, he's probably worth the roll. But just double-check that before you go doing something like that. No, he's in. He's in. No, he's definitely in because I did this off the lineup. Oh, okay. Well, then... Look, I might be drunk now, but I wasn't when I did this. Okay, fair enough.
01:02:30
Speaker
I'll give you that. All right. Force and Highlanders. Highlanders points. Surrender points to a few positions last week against the red, despite the lopsided score. I just don't know where they're going to come from from the force. There are a few places. Force front row is probably the most consistent piece of this team.
01:02:47
Speaker
how hinders aren't especially good against fresh front row. So that's a go. Tim Ansti, I said it before skill set of a back playing as a lose forward. So that's a, he's a thumbs up for me. Jake McIntyre on the other side of it, no matter how desperate you are, I would not start him. Miyori is the best guy playing fly half for the forest in terms of fantasy wise, and he's on the bench. So that's not, anyway, go with Carter Gordon from,
01:03:12
Speaker
from the Rebels if you hit somebody badly. Orban Ledger is a winner in this week as well. So yeah, you have some other options, not name that guy. So do that.
01:03:23
Speaker
Forest continue to find ways to surrender fancy points despite some matches getting real, real ugly. Could be good news for High Hunters. And there's some decent players if you didn't know us from last week. Sam Gilbert's used to rediscover his form since returning to injury. So he's a thumbs up for me. And then Michael Collins at 13, I like him. It's a good spot for a second distributor for High Hunters as well. So I think that he'll do well there.
01:03:45
Speaker
on the other side of the coin, Hugh Renton, playing 8 for a decent team, but I think he's odd man out between him, Frisell and Harmon. I think Frisell and Harmon. Frisell is just, he's one of those weird guys. That's a 6 that I'll actually score. So, again, he's eating up points that I think sometimes the points, the points to go around, I don't know if there is going to be in this game. So, if there's not a man out, it's probably Renton because I think Harmon as a 7 gets his. So, and, yeah, like I said, Sham Frisell is just a freak. So, he will get his 2.
01:04:17
Speaker
OK, over to Eden Park for blues versus ties. Yeah, this this is going to be you. What with the ties are either bottom or first from the bottom everywhere, except against loose forwards in midfield. So and we know what they are bringing as far as playing wise, the ties that is start everybody on the blues. It's going to be a fucking tonking.
01:04:47
Speaker
bad. Yeah. So I'm not even bothering the lineups are announced. I'm not going to say who to start. Just if you find a, you know, once the lineups come out. I had to cure you on a team and he was off the bench and I played him last week and that worked out all right. Yeah, exactly.
01:05:02
Speaker
Um, for the ties, uh, their front row, cause the blues are actually shitty against front rows. Um, Hoskins and Tizano, if he's going, um, ride, then Donaldson, he's been scoring pretty decently of latent. Um, so, um, I'm assuming he's going to start here again. Um, Phuketi in the midfield and, and Maddox in the outside backs, every outside of those players, highly questionable, highly questionable.
01:05:29
Speaker
Okay, Ben's Chiefs against the Brumbies. This will be interesting. Both runners up from the last two competitions here. Brumbies are still a tough defense, even after playing the Mighty Crusaders.
Players and Match Previews
01:05:41
Speaker
So this could be interesting. For the Chiefs, Trask or Gatlin, I mentioned McIntyre above. These guys, I trust over him. So here's your answer to that. Agreed. Peter got so cool. Has scored very well through the last four matches. Decent form.
01:05:56
Speaker
We talked about Luke Jacobson kind of being the helmet of the back row right now, so he should be taking that roll over. So, so cool is the play now. Well, someone's got to make up for for Soakula being good and Quintupiah being out and Jacobson said hello. On the other side of the coin, for the midfield, ALB, Nankaville,
01:06:22
Speaker
Be wary, Brumby's are a tough, I'll put up the middle, nine points and 10 points scored by Ennore and Avili last week. So that should kind of be the alarm bell there. That's a good pitch field if you didn't know that. Chiefs have some gaps last week against the Forest team, not known for its fancy prowess. So here we go. Brumby's, Mack Hanson, Brumby seemed to be shuffling around the back three once again. Salomoni Cotto wasn't great and played last week. If Hanson gets his shot this week, that's a thumbs up.
01:06:52
Speaker
Len Ikitao has been solid in the midfield for the Brumbies to V to who? And that's definitely a play that I would go with. Godwin scored well last week, and I think Ikitao is better than Godwin, so give it a go. Other side of the coin, Ryan Lonergan. White might be healthy for this one, but if he isn't, Lonergan's not the guy I'm going to go with. If Fiennes plays over either one of them, that would be the guy to go with. But if it's Lonergan, that's a no-no for me.
01:07:24
Speaker
Off to Brisbane in a matchup of champions. You. Reds Crusaders, the match, well, the Southern Hemisphere match of the weekend. Yeah, right. So just then the Reds are a decent fantasy defense and the Crusaders are kind of middling. So it's going to be a, you know,
01:07:44
Speaker
pretty much everybody here, I would expect lower points than normal on both sides. So for the Reds, their front row, Frazier McRae, Tate McDermott, Tate McDermott on the other side of that. I'm not saying him as a start. I'm saying him as a... Yeah, because scrum halves aren't the biggest point scorers anyway. So basically what I'm saying is don't rely on Tate McDermott. Not a good matchup.
01:08:12
Speaker
James took honors ago. Hunter Paizami over Stewart. Jock Campbell and Filippo Delgunu always ago. Hagerty, not so much. On the Crusaders, as I said, the Reds are a tough fantasy defense. They're basically weak against Fly House, but strong everywhere else.
01:08:31
Speaker
They're really weak against defense, or I guess fly half, really weak. So as you said, Mwunga, huge day. Looking like the front row, especially Cody Taylor, should find some space too. And that the back five, the Haveli, Feinganuku, Reese, Bridge, Jordan. Yeah, it was a lot of them.
01:08:56
Speaker
Yeah, just throw them out there and because there's going to be one or two of them that like go gangbusters and the others are just going to do OK. So you just kind of throw whatever you got out there and hope it's that you win the lottery. Yeah, pretty much right. So she goes with that back line for sure, especially against this defense, right? They're not they're not going to they're good. They're going to shut people down, but not everybody. So, you know, it's it's yeah, one guy is going to have 18 and the others are going to have eight. You live with the eight, but
01:09:24
Speaker
Right. You know, your bank on the chance on the 18. Yeah. Absolutely. Yep. You'll, you're looking for that. All right. Um, of the weeks, start of the week for this one. Uh, this man has been on fire and he's motivated to be sure he makes this hit the squad for the international window this July since he stormed onto the scene last year. I'm not sure anyone in this competition has been as good as him at his position bar, possibly Harry Wilson.
01:09:50
Speaker
His opposition just started bags of points last week. So my start of the week for week 14 of Super Rugby FRD is all blacks and blues. Number eight, Hoskins at 2-2. That is, yes, fair. Very fair. I'm going to stay, I think, in that same match. I'm just going a little bit wider. I'm going to go with Rico Ioannoni. Oh, man. Yeah.
01:10:12
Speaker
That's never a terrible idea. That's a terrible idea. Yeah. Uh, he's going to fucking tear up the water. Yeah. I mean, cause like, you can't say, Richie Morgan cause you're always going to, yeah, yeah, no, no question. But if, if you're, and probably if you have Rico, you want to, you have no question about it, but there's someone out there who's going to say, I don't know about starting Rico, you want money. And I'm telling him or her start of the week.
01:10:37
Speaker
Yeah. Play him. Don't hesitate. He's going to score. Don't worry about it. No thinking anymore. Just do. Stop doing that. Ah, City of the Week. I love this guy, but he's not been in good form. And going against a tough opposition, especially for his position. Uh-oh.
01:10:57
Speaker
We'll see. I'm really hoping I'm wrong because I actually own him at least once, if not twice. But my say of the week for a week 14, I'm super rugby, FRD is all blacks and cheese, midfielder, and Tom Leonard Brown. Oh, okay.
Fantasy Rugby Updates
01:11:09
Speaker
I don't like that, but okay. I went with a guy who I know you love.
01:11:16
Speaker
and he plays for your team, but he also hasn't been playing well of late as far as fantasy wise. So my, my sit of the week is, uh, hurricanes outside back West Houston, Houston. Yeah, I know he's, but he's kind of drifted off, which is too bad. Cause he used to be a guy that just knew where the trial line was and found it on a regular basis. And he's just kind of fallen off and I have no idea. I don't understand either. Nope. Not in good form. That man is not in good form. Pine this man. Yeah.
01:11:48
Speaker
Yeah, we're around the champion champion actually real quick. So we have a big one in the final coming up here. The championship finals is coming up as a new TRM leader Why aren't we starting with that, because we're not there yet.
01:12:07
Speaker
Duncan and George for all the marbles in that one. I do have the rankings. So, here we are. So, the bottom two, I don't believe got any points. So, Karak, myself, we get zero for this comp. Anton, you and you both get points. Justin and Marco both also get points for this. So, we don't have a three versus four. So, how is that working out?
01:12:31
Speaker
So basically how you finished in the, in the league fair. Okay. Um, so that's that, cause that's, cause I, I figured that's how you, how you would do it in this. So I'm in, I'm done with that. And so that's, that's how I landed on that one. So there's, there's that. I'll put the point actual points out this week too. Cool. But in the, um, in the champion's league last week for super, it was, uh,
01:12:59
Speaker
Justin taking care of George. Carrick got a hold of you, buddy. You ran into a buzz saw. Sorry, buddy. Yeah. I was going to do. I had one of those times where you just score way too many points because you don't need them all. I had over 100 points on Duncan this weekend. Oops. It was 161 to 55. Oopsie. Too many points. Save some for next week. Yeah.
01:13:27
Speaker
And then the, and then Anton was able to take care of Mark and was definitely the best matchup of the weekend. They both scored well over 140. So that's a tough one. That's a tough one to eat if you're on the other side of that. This weekend for the ultimate round here, we've got, because we're going to, like, we're going to obviously avoid the final and even the last week is probably going to need to avoid. So we've got one, one final week and champion super,
01:13:55
Speaker
It's me against George. It's Anton against Carrick. It's Duncan against Justin. And it's Mark against Ben. What are we looking at for standings here? I could keep Mark out if I win. Oh, that's a reason for me to play party pooper. Am I playing? No. Wait, who am I playing? You're playing Mark. Okay. Oh, then I'm wait. Okay. I was looking at the wrong team.
01:14:21
Speaker
So we have, yeah, you need to, can you please beat Mark? Cause then I could possibly jump him.
01:14:28
Speaker
Cause right now our best teams are George and Justin. They're locked in. If I score like 300 points, I could make it in still. So, uh, potentially I got a shot. Um, so it's going to be, it's like I said, George and Justin, they're both locked in. They're both well, they both could easily take this week off if they wanted to, but hopefully they don't. Um, Anton and, um, and I think it's yeah. And trying to Mark are the next two.
01:14:59
Speaker
that are that are ready to go. But I could chase I could chase them down. You could technically chase them down. And so could Duncan. So Anton is in is he definitely in because he's seven and six. So at the worst he can finish is seven and seven. At which point, again, Duncan's 200 points behind him. Mark is over 100 points behind him.
01:15:25
Speaker
So, Anton's basically in, and they're both 6 and 7, so they would be like tied and all that. So, Anton's in. Virtually in. Right. So, really, it's that last spot that we're all chasing. Mark holds it right now. Duncan, and then you and me are trying to chase it down. I probably have a more legitimate shot than you do.
01:15:46
Speaker
Oh, I'm out. There's no way. I have no no shot because poor Carrick is just sitting right now unless you unless you lose. I need you to lose because you have ridiculous amount of points against or points for you need me to you. You still might need me to be whoever I'm playing when we're playing again. How is this all working? I'm losing. I'm losing my mind here. I'm playing. Oh, I'm playing George. Never mind.
01:16:12
Speaker
Yeah. So George, the live you have right now, just keep it that way, please. Yeah. So George beats you and I win. I might need some other help. I need some other help. I need basically, yeah, I need Duncan to lose. That's it. And then I'd be in.
01:16:29
Speaker
Cause I w I would have beaten Mark. So he'd be six and six and eight as well. But I had, I would likely have more, um, I need to beat him by like 35 points, 36 points. That's not too bad. Right. That's doable.
01:16:43
Speaker
All right. So lots to lots of open up there. The only, unfortunately the only person that's sitting on the outside looking in definitively is Carrick. Sorry buddy. Um, but yeah, let's go over to the outside looking in. Let's be fucking honest. I mean, yeah, your, your, your, your shot is there. So it's worth taking the shot. Cause
01:17:01
Speaker
But yeah, you're damn close. Yep. You have finally jumped Anton with a pretty damn good score at that. Ben's at the top. I am closing. I am hunting down Duncan real quick here. You are.
Match Predictions & Listener Engagement
01:17:15
Speaker
I did not think I'd be able to, but he's had a couple of stinkers of a week. And we still have time to go. We still have, you know, it's not just the end of the... All the way to the final, baby. Yeah.
01:17:24
Speaker
They're, you know, it's not, it's not as sad as we've been saying. Um, this is, there's a lot to play for here. You're, you're, you're nosing your way back into the top four or top three, like trying to get there. Yeah. And she went with her slowly, but surely, um, like I had the best weekend in league. I did. You did. I did. Sam Simmons, captain helped. So yeah, I am like not even 60 points behind Duncan. So this is going to get interesting here.
01:17:52
Speaker
But we got the week off here. You're closer to Duncan than Anton is to me. How about that?
01:18:00
Speaker
I like that. Oh, yeah, because yeah, yeah. He had a butt week. He had a real butt week for sure. Three three ninety five. That's never a good score unless everybody's there. Well, he because he had he captains Jesper Vis. Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. That hurts. That hurts. All right. It's funny, though. Sorry. And and I and I jumped you and pick them. Yes. Son of a bitch. The overtakes the lead.
01:18:27
Speaker
Ah, we'll see. Okay. I'll show you. I'll show you all. Here we go. Yeah, not so many games this weekend. Next weekend. Hurricanes, Rebels. I'm going to take my canes. I'm taking your canes as well. Force Highlanders. I was impressed with the force, but, man, Mitch Hunt and Nurekki and Yawani's back on the bench for that Highlanders team. That makes me
01:18:55
Speaker
That makes me feel really good about taking them. So I'm gonna take the Highlanders. So the Highlanders were at home and now they're again flying all the way out to the force. I'm taking the force. Okay. The Highlanders are the Highlanders aren't as good as the Chiefs at this point. You know, so and the Chiefs.
01:19:20
Speaker
Um, yeah, we saw what happened. It was just one kick away. So I think, and now it's the highlighters coming in and, and that long ass trip and, uh, a way match fans and all that. And yeah, I'm going to go. I'm going to take the force blues and ties blues. Uh, keep some Brumby's chiefs.
01:19:42
Speaker
I'm going to take the Brumbies. They're, they're not traveling that far and the chiefs have to come back. Like the Brumbies are staying in New Zealand. Yeah. It's still a home match for the chiefs and they're going to want it. And they did. They pushed the Crusaders pretty hard last week. Right. With that. So let's see. Yeah. Hey, there it is. I'm still, I'm just going to mostly because I'm back in my team. Fair enough. Reds and Crusaders. This is in.
01:20:13
Speaker
is in Australia in Brisbane. Oh, can the mighty crusaders be toppled? Well, yeah, they can. We saw it happen earlier this season. It's on the road. Yeah. You know what? I think, I think that stadium is going to be rocking. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna back the Brad thorns teams. They got to feel pretty begrudge about last week and
01:20:39
Speaker
not feel good about the way that went. So I'm gonna take the reds. This is a tough one. This should be a good match, so. There's no wrong answer. I'm just thinking about this from a tactical standpoint because now I'm behind. I could use this as a chance to, but we already have one that we're disagreeing on.
01:21:05
Speaker
Um, that's, that's the thing we already have one. Do I want to make it, do I want to put myself in a potentially bigger hole? That's really where I am right now. Um, I'm going to leave it at the fuck, but how do you take against the crusaders? It should be an easy, like it should be just an easy. Yeah. That's. But I also think the reds can win. So I'm going to go with the reds. Like if any of the teams can do it, it's the reds and they're going to want to nut. I think they're going to want this game more than the crusaders to be honest. They may. Yeah.
01:21:34
Speaker
Like I said, they won't feel good about the way last week one either. So that doesn't help. All right. Um, big one on the weekend. La Rochelle and to lose. Unfortunately, my, my kids have a, my, uh, my high school team is a master in this. Oh no, I'm going to text you so many spoilers and I'm going to turn my phone off. Uh, I, I picked these guys to potentially get to the final, if not win. So I'm taking to lose.
01:22:03
Speaker
Yeah. I'm taking to lose. Yep. Because I mean, DuPont and Tamek. The best players on the field are on to lose right now. And Oleval. No, no, Oleval. Wrong one. Oh, because. Too long. Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. He showed, he was on my list of things. It was French players, not so much Toulouse, but so he showed up and I was like, oh, okay. No. Yeah, he plays for too long. The other one. The other two.
01:22:33
Speaker
So yeah, no, it's like, yeah. Um, anyway, um, like I said, little drunk, just naming names that are on my screen. Oh, that guy. Yeah. That never ends. Right. Exactly. Cause I'm like, well, I know. Yeah. Obviously into Mac, obviously, uh, do Paul. Um, and that's really all that you need to say anyway. So I should have just shut the fuck up. Yeah. He could have stopped at that. I could have, but I didn't have the ability. Yeah. Didn't have the ability. Okay.
01:23:04
Speaker
This is, this is going to be good. This is going to be so much fun. And I guess, yeah, I hope we see Colby unleashed and yeah, it should be fun. So yeah. And they'll be fans of that one and the, and the challenge cut the night before too. So that'd be awesome. Oh yeah. We'll get the challenge cup match too, huh? Who was that? The cock of the P. Oh no, but it's like, isn't, is Lester in that?
01:23:28
Speaker
Yeah. Let's turn my paleo paleo. Oh, that should be a good one to go TT. Yeah. And Lozowski laws too. Yeah. Too loose. They're going to win this. Yeah. They've done this before. If not, we'll have another first time champions, European champion.
01:23:47
Speaker
Like as much as I love DuPont and into Mac, there's, there's, I will have no problem rooting for LaRochelle if they start taking a lead. I have no allegiances here. Yeah. None. I just want to see good rugby. Same. Okay. Well, we appreciate you guys hanging out with us. Fancy rugby podcast at gmail.com. If you have questions, tweet at Ben or I if needed, uh, if you need anything for start set. Um, other than that, we will, uh,
01:24:17
Speaker
We'll catch you on the other side and we will break down all the fun stuff that happens at Twickenham between the two defense teams. So until next time, we will catch you guys then and enjoy yourself and talk soon. Have a good one. Later.