Become a Creator today!Start creating today - Share your story with the world!
Start for free
00:00:00
00:00:01
When Intuition Becomes Your Strategy with June Mac
256 Plays2 months ago
What if your best business decisions don’t come from a spreadsheet, but from a whisper? Today we explore what happens when you stop forcing strategy and start feeling it — when intuition becomes your most powerful business partner.
At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.
If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.
Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.
Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.
Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.
Work With Luisa
If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:
• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory
• Keynotes and curated live experiences
• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions
more at: vermelho.com.au
A Note From Whisper & Thread
The Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.
Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.
Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.
Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.
And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.
Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.com
Stay Connected
Follow along and join the conversation:
• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast
• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting
• Instagram: @whisperandthread
Subscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.
Recommended
Transcript
00:00:00
Speaker
What if your best business decisions didn't come from a spreadsheet or from a five-year strategy, but from a whisper? Today, that's what we're going to explore.
00:00:11
Speaker
What happens when you stop forcing strategy and start feeling it and being open to it and listening to what your intuition is telling you? My guest today is a powerful business coach in this area, and I can't wait for you to hear more from her.
00:00:30
Speaker
Welcome back to the Second Voice Podcast with your host, Louisa Hogan. That's me. And we uncover the conversations that leaders don't say out loud. And I'm, as always, excited about my guest today, June. And together, we're going to be unpacking what it feels like to trust the voice inside of you that is pointing you in the right direction. We're talking all things intuition and June is a master at this. I can't wait for you to hear what she has to say. And we're we're talking about that voice that doesn't shout, but it's that little quiet knowing inside of you. But a little bit about June.
00:01:06
Speaker
June is a psychic medium, life coach, a business mentor, and she helps visionary entrepreneurs awaken and amplify their intuitive gifts. which sounds amazing by the way.
00:01:19
Speaker
and And she does that so that they can build purpose-led lives and businesses filled with intuition, with impact, income, a freedom, and fulfillment.
00:01:30
Speaker
She has nearly a decade of entrepreneurial experience and more than five years teaching intuitive development. She's built a soul-led business and supports her family And it also allows her family to live a life by design.
00:01:45
Speaker
She's also an author, by the way. It doesn't say that in this ah in this bio, but I'm going to add that in because she's an award-winning author. Don't know why you didn't put that in your bio, June. know. I need to add it in You need to add it in. ah Her work blends spiritual insight with grounded business strategy, helping entrepreneurs tap into their intuition to create success that feels truly aligned.
00:02:06
Speaker
And she develops courses, she does private coaching, has a signature membership, and she meets people wherever they are on their journey, whether they're just discovering their gifts or ready to scale to the next level um in their soul aligned business. Amazing. I met June at a awards presentation where she won that award and I knew that I had to, I had to know her and I'm so glad she's just been open to connecting. It's been wonderful to get to know you, June, and welcome. Thank you so much for joining me.
00:02:36
Speaker
Oh my goodness. Can you do my intro all the time? Like, honestly, I feel like everywhere I go, i need you to like do that introduction because that was amazing. That's way better than I could have said it. So thank you. I'm so excited to be here. I can't wait yet to record this episode with you. So thank you for having me. Oh, such a pleasure. The pleasure is all mine and I will, I'll pre-record that for you and you can play it at the start of your podcast. I need it. Yeah. All right. So let's, let's delve into what you do. Can you tell me a little bit more about your background? And I know that in talking to you and and following your podcast and your social media, you've talked about coming out of the spiritual closet. Can you tell me what that means for people listening? Because I would say the people listening aren't the same followers that you would have. So let's explain it. Tell me about your background.
00:03:25
Speaker
Um, well, I guess if we want to go way back, I guess I've always been somewhat spiritual. I've always had sort of like, you know, little experiences here and there, but nothing really that I would say that would make me any more special than anyone else. Like, I honestly feel that so many people have different types of intuitive, you know, like feelings or things that have happened or a cool like story to to say. um and i never thought in a million years it was going to be a thread that i would follow that would then turn into a career i definitely didn't see that coming which is quite funny because people are like no you're a psychic you're supposed to know like what's what's going to happen it doesn't work like that especially when it's to do with yourself your own ego is in the way so it makes it a bit trickier but um
00:04:13
Speaker
I guess coming to 2020 was really when the mass awakening happened, I suppose. um That was when the entire world shut down and we were all sort of forced to go within and everyone had a moment to stop finally and stop, you know, just living their lives on autopilot. And when that happened for me, so myself and my husband, we were both entrepreneurs. We've been entrepreneurs. I'd already been in entrepreneurship, I think, for about four years at that time.
00:04:40
Speaker
And running my own business, I thought I liked it, but it was kind of like a lot of people say they have that feeling that they're just missing. There's something that they are missing in their lives. It's not like they're unhappy or anything like that, but they have this like purpose or this deeper knowing that there's more to this. There's more I'm supposed to be doing. I know it's something big, but I just don't know what exactly that is. And so I guess stopping my actual work, that sort of voice got louder because my business was forced to shut down for the time being when lockdowns happened and I was really cold I just started following like on social media because obviously you start spending more time on there um a lot of you know like spiritual leaders spiritual teachers and mentors and I just had this really strong feeling like oh I want to start my intuitive development but like does that make me really weird like
00:05:32
Speaker
Am I going to be one of those, you know, strange people that then goes outside and dances naked under the moon? not that there's anything wrong with those with people who like to do that, like kudos to them. But I'm thinking that's not who I am. So do I have to change who I am to now be also into this spiritual stuff? But really that's where my journey began.
00:05:53
Speaker
And, yeah, the last, I guess, coming up to six years now taken me on this incredible, incredible journey where I've spent probably like trying to wrap it up sort of so it doesn't go for so long.
00:06:07
Speaker
The last five years, so prior to this one, working as a professional psychic medium. So that's where my intuitive development led to me to. So not everyone who starts intuitive development obviously needs to do that. um But then more so in this past year, I also have, we're teaching others how to open up and start leaning more into their own intuition More so this past year, I've realized that my real passion area is helping you know other people within their businesses, helping other people connect with their purpose, helping them build soul aligned businesses, because I've done that before where I built a business that actually was successful, monetarily speaking, but not fulfilling me like, you know, on the inside, it wasn't lighting me up and making me really happy. So coming out of the spiritual closet is basically stepping out and being brave enough to say, I talk to the spirit or I use my intuition.
00:07:01
Speaker
um and that that in itself, is that that was a whole journey. It wasn't just like one day I was brave enough to say that. it It happened in bits and pieces. And there's probably a lot that I still don't share about the weird stuff that happens to me I'm like, oh, no, I've gone to the next level of weird. don't know, I'm ready to share this.
00:07:24
Speaker
That self-talk of like, I'm weird. don't want people to think I'm weird. Is that still with you now? Like after all this 1000%. it's like, ah you know, with everything that you work through in your life, you hit different, I call it new level, new devil. It's like, you know, you you hit a certain part and you think, okay, like I'm good with this now. And then the next phase of that drops in. So, and then you sort of, you know, you come against another phase of that being afraid of being super weird. Like this is the next level of weird. yeah I'm about to hit so yeah that's crazy it's it's funny because you know I was talking about it's not quite the same but it reminded me of this you know I've been talking to somebody about like being nine years in my own business and I was actually talking to my sister and because she's just she's just starting out doing some new consulting stuff and I'm like you know Just remember the stuff that you start with today is not the stuff that you end up with nine years later. You evolve, you find yeah you know you find new directions, things point you in new ways and you grow and develop. And if it feels scary, it's probably...
00:08:29
Speaker
It's probably the right way to go because you're going to grow and pull you out of your comfort zone, right? 1000%. That's exactly what I teach my clients or people all the time, which is that it's going to change. You know, if people spend so long like stuck on the same, i like it's got to be perfect before I release it. It's got to be perfect before I launch it. i have to know exactly what I'm doing. Okay, you spend all that time trying to make it perfect and then you're going to change your mind, like especially if you're so led.
00:08:55
Speaker
And, you know, your business is going to grow with you. You're going to change your business 10,000 times. Like, look at me. Every six months I have a new rebirth and I'm doing something different. so Yeah.
00:09:05
Speaker
Amazing. I mean, like, let's talk tell me about that. Like, how how can people not be afraid to do that? Because that can seem really scary to people, you know? Yes. And i like, I find where where it manifests in me is like, I get super excited about something and I'm like, but go, go, go, go. And then, you know, the excitement wears off and then I'm like, am I supposed to be doing this if I'm not excited about it anymore? You know, and then it's like, can be, can feel scary to just change direction. So like, do you, what do you tell your clients who might be facing that fear?
00:09:38
Speaker
It's very normal. I think it's very normal to go through that. So that's your intuition speaking when you're super excited or pumped about something. And that's like what we're supposed to be trying to follow. But then what happens the longer you sit on something, especially if you're not actioning anything, then analytical mind ticks in or your ego And that's when the human thoughts come in, which goes, oh my gosh, like, what are you doing? This is ridiculous. Well, who do you, who do you think you are to be able to like do this? You know, like, oh, you think you're so special? Like you can't do that. That's not going to happen that you're to fail. Like all those voices come into your head. But that's why I sort of, the more I feel like you step into intuitive development and you start to trust that inner voice, that pause time,
00:10:20
Speaker
it becomes smaller and you trust yourself so much. You just go, i now I always say to my clients, don't think. Like the less thinking, the better. Just action a small step and go for it. And then the next small step and the next small step and just take your time with it. You don't necessarily have to have everything figured out, but that's how to tell the difference between most of the time intuition versus ego is if that initial intuitive, excited feeling that you had was there,
00:10:49
Speaker
And then you get the nerves. That's just your human, you know, side trying to keep you safe, which is, oh, no, we're safe here. We're comfy. We don't need to expand. We don't need to evolve and grow. it's tricky because, like, I am still human. So I still do crap myself. I can get really nervous about big steps and stuff all the time. But I just kind of go now more so like, oh, no, we're doing this. Okay, we're doing it.
00:11:13
Speaker
Let's do it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I feel like I'm about to get a free coaching session here because I'm going ask you, you know. No, do it. Let's do it. I love it. I'm going to ask you that, like you talk about, you know, the difference between your ego and the fear and, you know, the thing that excites you, right? So I get that. How does, how do you know?
00:11:32
Speaker
that because sometimes that fear or that thing warning you can also, can it, can that also be intuition? Like that thing warning you from something and how do you know it's not you going, no, that's too scary. Stop. And actually you should ignore that voice. So, cause that's an inner voice I have all the time. And then I'm like, is that my gut telling me to don't touch that? Or is that my ego? How, how do you know the difference?
00:11:55
Speaker
Yeah, that's a really, really good question because especially when you're first starting out and you're not really intuitively so much so tuned in or if there's so much fear behind something, it can really cloud like your judgment there. um Usually what I like to do is I write down, say you've got two options in front of you or there's the option to like stay just doing whatever it is you're doing and pick a particular thing.
00:12:21
Speaker
I usually like to look at the first choice or option one, for example, and sit with it and really feel into it. Like take a moment to feel into that particular choice.
00:12:33
Speaker
And when I think about it, if I have that like still bubbles of excitement, like, oh gosh, like I really would like to try that. And actually, if I didn't try that, I'm going to i'm going to regret it. I know that. If you have that feeling, but still with like, you you still have that with fear, that's usually intuition because the fear comes from the growth and the expansion and the change.
00:12:54
Speaker
not necessarily from um your intuition. So that's that option. If I look at the, say there's a choice that's incorrect for you or it's not, ink I don't want to say incorrect because sometimes we have to try things just for the basis of learning. It doesn't mean it's necessarily always going to work out.
00:13:11
Speaker
Like I've made heaps of choices which didn't work out, but I knew that I actually did need to take that step to learn and to get me to the next phase. So, yeah and that's the thing we are so afraid of failure, but try not to think of it as a failure. Try to take it as in like, it's a learning, you know, it's a learning experience. um And then the next thing, say it's not supposed to be for you or it's something that is an actual warning. It's like when you look at it there is no hint of excitement there. When you feel into it, there is absolutely just, it might be, you know, a wrong feeling in your stomach. It might be a drop in your gut.
00:13:47
Speaker
For everyone, it's different. So that's why it's really hard to sort of say initially how it's going to feel for you. um Because a lot of people think, oh, you know, like this is how I've heard someone else explain how intuition works. And they try to grasp onto other people's definitions of it when actually we are all really unique. um So why would our intuitive abilities be the same? they're going to be extremely unique to you. So that's why you kind of have to practice this and sit with it and try it with a few different things and try to pick up the similarities because some people literally say no, like the words no, yeah you know, like in their mind's eye or they might hear
00:14:25
Speaker
you know, like a little yes, or they might see ah ah a red stoplight or a red sign that's like, no um And some people feel it very much in their body or feel it via emotion. So it's just interesting to see how it like, you know, plays out for you in particular.
00:14:44
Speaker
i that This leads me to the next question. Can anybody, anybody do this? Because there might be people listening going, well, that's fine for you. You're psychic, right? So, you know, I know people would be Like what what is intuition? You say like lots of people, different definitions of intuition. What is intuition to you? And like, can anybody listening right now go, okay yeah, I can develop that.
00:15:05
Speaker
So that's funny because I actually think everybody is psychic. um I'm just brave enough to actually say that I am. yeah And people have the definitions of what they think that that means. And I actually probably have a different belief system as to what the majority of people think a psychic is. For me, being psychic is just intuitive. And I actually believe that all of us are born with this ability It's just going to be different in everybody. And, yes, some people are more naturally attuned to that, but often it's to do with, um you know, like how they grew up. Like if you're growing up with a family that's like that's not real, that's not a thing, that's not going to happen, you know, that's that's crap. You're probably not, you know, we experience what we believe in our head. So if you believe it's not true, like it's not going to be true for you. um Sorry, i now I've forgotten what the question was because I've got on the tangent. What's the question?
00:15:58
Speaker
can everybody do Can anybody tap into this? So I didn't start out this sidekick. I started out just like everybody, like so many other people that start on their intuitive development journey. i had a lot of dreams. I'm definitely someone that's had dreams their whole life that would, I call them prophetic dreams, which is where things sort of,
00:16:17
Speaker
work out like similar to that dream or I've had, um you know, passed over spirit or people that have passed come into my dreams and then I've relayed those messages and they're like, oh, yes, I am pregnant. I literally have had dreams about people's dads that have come in and gone. I'm so excited. I'm having a grandchild, you know, this dad that's passed over.
00:16:36
Speaker
And then I've said it to my friend. they're like, I haven't told anyone, but yeah, I'm about six weeks pregnant. So that type of stuff happened to me. But I learned how to increase and amplify my own intuitive abilities, and I'm still practicing all the time at making them better because I want them. So it's actually a choice for you. Like, do you want these? do These are really helpful in life in general. If you want these abilities and I've seen people. So yes, I think anyone can do it. If you have a belief, if you have a curiosity in it, I've seen people go from what they believe to be zero intuitive abilities and not even really a strong belief system behind it to literally channeling and connecting with like past over spirit or with their intuition or whatever it is you believe in, like within like a few months. So it's pretty crazy how quickly if you have, you know, the belief system and the drive to want to, like you can you can do it.
00:17:31
Speaker
You know, I relate to that because as you know, we've been talking behind the scenes for a little while now and not not heaps, but like we met and this I would say my intuition was telling me, I know this person, but I don't know her and I should know her. And it was just really strong feeling. And then suddenly you just started popping up everywhere for me, you know. you were popping up on my social media just randomly then we went and we're we're both authors on a co-written book and you popped up on the screen yes what fellow author was like ah okay the universe is telling me I need to meet with this person and it's funny because I would never ever call myself psychic in any way but you know following your work and then I was like out of interest I joined your you know your little psychic school you know it's where you post all those videos and I've been like working through all those. And then suddenly all of these little aha moments come in. I'm like, wow, actually the universe talks to me all the time. yeah yeah And I've just, and I've just never really, I paid attention, but not like paid attention directly and gone. Okay. That's what that is. You know, I get strong dreams, messages for friends through my dreams, you know, I'm meaningful to them and, you know, When I fell pregnant with my daughter, I've told you the story. When I fell pregnant with my daughter, I went through years of IVF. It was really hard.
00:18:51
Speaker
And then one day I was like, got blood test results. And you know the IVF clinic had told me that I wasn't able to do another round of IVF that month with my hormone levels weren't at the right level. And I was crying, walking my dog. I remember it was like tears coming down my face. And this voice came into my head and said,
00:19:05
Speaker
It's not happening the way you want, but it's happening the way you should. And I just felt this immense calm come over me. wasn't my voice. People think I'm crazy when I tell the story, but I'm not crazy. That voice wasn't mine. It came in and told me I felt immense calm. And two weeks later, I was you know i found out I was pregnant.
00:19:21
Speaker
and naturally didn't have IVF and I now have this beautiful daughter. So there's things in that. And then when I met you, I'm like, okay, yeah, that all that all makes sense, you know? And, um you know, i think to people listening who may be like me, who never really thought, oh, this is a thing,
00:19:39
Speaker
I don't think you can go so deep. You don't have to go so deep into it. And tell me, June, if like you agree, but like, i don't think you have to go so deep into it that you now have to become a psychic, as you say, you can start to listen to what's yes around you.
00:19:55
Speaker
Yeah. and that story is incredible. And um when I heard that story, I was like, okay, you've got a natural already ability there. And it's really funny that you thought that, you know, that wasn't anything really special when hearing lots of different stories,
00:20:09
Speaker
um And a lots of people come to me and they go, okay, I'm really curious, you know, for this for some particular reason, but I don't actually have anything. And when we talk about their experiences, just like you were talking about your experiences, I, cause I'm, you know, trained in what I'm looking for. I'm like, actually you do, you've got this this, this, this, and this, and they're just like blown away. They're like, oh, is that a thing? I'm like, yeah, that's a thing.
00:20:33
Speaker
It's just because like, Oh, are we back? Did I just cut out? You're back. Did I just cut out? You cut out for a little bit. The last thing I heard was we were we were when people talk about their experiences.
00:20:46
Speaker
i don't know what happened there. um Oh, yeah. So when um when people come to me, they come to me and they say, I've never experienced anything. I actually don't have anything. But it's because they don't know what they're looking for. They expect it to be like how Hollywood has portrayed it to be like, you know, ah a ghost standing there or um something scary or freaky. And really it's so subtle, it's so much a part of you that we don't notice that these are actually things that everybody possesses. So as soon as they're done, you know, with their first session, I'm like, actually, you've got this ability, this ability, this ability. And they go, oh, my gosh, I do actually. And that's similar to what you're saying when like, oh, wait, no, I've always had this.
00:21:27
Speaker
This has always happened to me. I just didn't actually know that that's what it was because people think like there's someone behind me, like you know, chatting to me and I can see them. i don't see anything. It comes through totally different to...
00:21:41
Speaker
you know, how you would imagine it. And that's the thing is people are also quite surprised because I'm quite a grounded person. I also believe that there needs to be a strategy. There needs to be action taking. Like I'm also very grounded. I'm not all about the, you know, just the intuitive side. There's so much more that has sort of all has to come together. But this is a lot of people come to me who don't want to work in the intuitive space. Probably 50% of my clients are business owners who just would like to increase their intuition because what an amazing business tool to be able to feel into actually what is right for me
00:22:22
Speaker
And what feels makes me happy and what lights me up and what makes me excited to do work, like to, you know, do work every day. That's a lot of my clients too. And that's what I'm really passionate about as well is creating a business that is like soul aligned with you and your own individual purpose, because we're all here to do different things.
00:22:42
Speaker
So yeah, I'm really glad that you talked about that, you know, people feeling grounded and like having strategy because many people that I know are very strategic thinkers and would struggle to feel relaxed about having or leaning into intuition and and what that looks like. So tell me about like, you know, the people who come to you with that business decision-making that you work with who are very grounded. What are the first steps that people can take to start leaning into that intuitive side?
00:23:13
Speaker
So the reason why they do actually come to me is because the strategy isn't working. It's because they are too much involved in what somebody else is doing and then wondering why that same cookie cutter blueprint isn't working for their business and then feeling bad about themselves and thinking they're doing it incorrectly when really that same strategy is not going to fit every person because the universe, God, source, whatever you want to believe in is like, you're not here to do that. Like that's not what you're here. That's not part of your purpose. That's not who you're here to serve. So that's not going to work out for you. That doesn't feel good for you
00:23:58
Speaker
They come to me burnt out. You know, like this particular strategy isn't working. Why isn't it working when it's worked for this person, this person and this person? Or sometimes it does work strategically speaking, but they feel awful. Like they literally are drained. They completely burnt themselves out. They feel like sad um and you're not supposed to feel that way. If you are doing what you came here to do, abundance will flow in every area of your life. It's like monetary abundance, you know, feeling good, feeling excited, feeling lit up.
00:24:33
Speaker
Everything flows together. So in order to bring their intuitive side or energetics or mindset even, because all of that is also to do with business, it shouldn't just be strategy. Actually, for me, I believe strategy is probably worth about 10%.
00:24:51
Speaker
your identity and what you believe you are capable of, your mindset, you know, your energetics, um intuitive side probably makes up, I would say, 80% to 90% of a successful business. When I say successful, what's successful to you, what you believe feels successful. So it really is a matter of, first of all, rewiring that identity that um they don't trust themselves and they don't have self-belief, you that they actually do know inside. It's sort of a matter of pointing out or figuring out how it works for them.
00:25:28
Speaker
And their own intuition, which I have a bunch of like usual questions that I would get to the nitty gritty of how their intuition is trying to present. So for me, often if you're on the wrong track or not the wrong track, but you know what i mean? You're going sort of in the in a direction that's not aligned with you.
00:25:44
Speaker
Anxiety, you know, depression, that's literally your intuition telling you like this isn't right for you. um go the other way where, you know, then then we mask that with not that there's anything wrong with, you know, taking medication and that for, you know, those problems, but we're not actually getting to why do I actually feel anxious about going to work every day? Or why do I feel anxious about this business? um Or the way I'm running things is because that's your intuition saying, no, stop, stop here. Real line, go back, try again. um and you know, i've I've suffered from depression, anxiety and stuff in the past. I had postnatal depression and that's exactly for me. Obviously, there's so many different um causes of this and everyone's journey is different. But for me, i was just on the total wrong track, doing the wrong things for myself.
00:26:34
Speaker
Yeah. But now I've noticed that's how it manifests for me. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. Like having... learning to trust that too, right? Because I love also how you say, you know, it's success for you might not look like success for somebody else. And I think sometimes we are, so busy trying to get success for what everybody else thinks success looks like, yeah that we've forgotten to look at what is success for me and what is, you know, to use the word abundance, like, you know, when you're asking for abundance, you actually might be well sitting in the abundant life already, and it might not be riches. It might just be all of these amazing things that you have, like a wonderful family and experiencing joy with them and you know that's your abundance so um trusting that voice too right that's like okay well success for me isn't necessarily the big title the multi-million dollar business you know what is success for you yeah so yeah and that's what i work with people I guess doing which is figuring out what is their version of success first and then
00:27:47
Speaker
tailoring what we're aiming towards to suit their own individual version of success. Cause you're 1000% right. It looks so different. Yeah. Oh, everybody's different. Right. And it's, I feel like we get caught in that comparison trap. I think it's very easy to do that in business, in your own business too. What are like, have you got like little easy, you know, few tips that you can give somebody who's interested listening today, you know,
00:28:15
Speaker
some tips that you can give them. Like these are three things you can do right now or one main thing that you can do right now that doesn't feel, that's for the grounded people who like the little checklist and the little to-do list of things that they can do to start tapping into intuition. That is also me.
00:28:30
Speaker
I love a checklist. I love to tick things off. I was literally doing that this morning. And I need, for me, it's not like, you know, there are there are some mentors that I've had that have been very much like, okay, you just do it.
00:28:42
Speaker
Like just trust yourself, just do it. And that works amazing, you know, for them and then a certain amount of people. But I'm the person that also needs that. No, hang on. I need the 1A step, then 1B, then 1C, then what's 2, 3, 4, 5. Like I need to know it in an order. Yeah. So probably the easiest things, like if you're just getting started, you can do is start popping in like present time. So time to be present. So literally if it's just like start at three minutes, And you can work your way up like three times a week. That's all you need. People think like um to be in this space, you have to meditate for hours. And I have had mentors that do meditate for hours. That's never been me. I'm like a 12 minute. Like that's it. Don't ask me why it's 12 minutes. That's just what feels good for me. But I'm not one of those people that likes to sit there for hours.
00:29:36
Speaker
But I started at three because I'm, It takes, if especially if you're a go, go, go, I feel like I've got to be doing, you know, action all the time. You almost have to learn how to do it. so just take three minutes, set your timer if you need to, because if you're gonna be itchy, of like, well, has it been three minutes yet or whatever? three, five, eight, whatever you feel called to do and just try sitting there and checking it within yourself like, okay, what have I been doing today? you know, where am i Say you have a business, like where am I going within my business? did Did it feel good, the actions that I took towards in my business today, did that feel aligned or did that make me feel happy or excited when I did those things? Because for me at the moment, pretty much every job I have in my business, I'm so freaking excited to do it. Like I get so excited for work every day.
00:30:24
Speaker
There's not really the way I've designed it. There's not really any jobs that I go but like I, you know, I dread doing that because I pass this all on to my VA. Yeah. I've ah made it. So I'm like, okay, yeah, I'll work in my genius zones or my areas that, you know, make me feel happy. And anything that I'm like, no, I don't want to work out how to use ConvertKit. Like that's not my thing. I'll pass that on to someone else. But yeah, have a little check in.
00:30:51
Speaker
um Just take three minutes. I use something called binarial beats. So some people haven't heard of this. um it's You can look up playlists on Spotify, YouTube, they're free. And they literally ask, it's just music, like meditation music that is set to tones, which help to switch your brain off.
00:31:09
Speaker
Because and don't worry or don't stress if literally for that whole three minutes you're going What if I what time do have to pick the kids up from school again? um And what if they got after school, and you know, this child's got basketball and this child's got this because I do the same thing But what happens is the more you actually practice being present the more those thoughts um Begin or leave faster.
00:31:31
Speaker
So you'll get quicker at now. I don't have those thoughts as much, but if they do come up, I let them pass. And then what happens is you'll get a little insight into something. Like you'll just go, oh, wait, I should reach out to this person, you know, within those three minutes of silence or those five minutes of silence, or I should get Louisa on my podcast. So that's just popped in. And you think they're just thoughts, but they're not thoughts. That's the intuitive. Yeah, yeah, I'm coming for you. That's the intuitive thought. you know, drop-ins that that happen because we often think it's just us, but it's not always us. So that's probably the easiest one to start at.
00:32:08
Speaker
um And then I also would like to say keep an an intuition diary and take note of feelings, thoughts, um you know, images, sounds or things that pop up during that time of silence because like you said, you you actually said it before, you just had never taken conscious notice of all the things that had happened in your life previously. And when you did, you kind of went, oh, right, like that does happen to me. Or it does feel like that when I'm getting an intuitive idea or, you know, messages for friends. This is how it feels for me. And when you start jotting all this stuff down and you come back or you go through it, you know, like you might go back a few weeks, you'll be like, oh
00:32:50
Speaker
you know, that' that happened. So I had this feeling if I actioned this, that would work out. And looking back, that did work out. And this is how it felt in my body or, you know, this is what I saw when I got that feeling. And you start to actually go, oh right. And then once you notice or you pick up those little things, they get stronger and stronger and stronger. So it's just like any other muscle, any other exercise that you do, the more you practice, the more you act on these things, the stronger it will get for you. Like for me now, if it's a hard note, I feel it so strongly in my body. I will literally feel sick. I know like within two seconds, like if you'd asked me on this podcast and it was like a no, my gut would have said no, but I got so excited. i was like, so I knew it was a yes, you know, immediately.
00:33:34
Speaker
And yeah, it's a matter of feeling those things and then acting on them as well. So anyway, does that help? that's Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. It helps. And, you know, those are great tips. You know, I've been following your tips from, you know, all of the videos that I've watched from you. And, you know, I've been like, kind of, I feel like I know you more than you know me because I've dug deep into the work that you've got through your school.
00:33:57
Speaker
through your school And, you know, i'll I'll tell you a funny story because I've been doing your little practices, you know, starting with a sit-in piece, you know, and I do sit in peace as part of my resilience practice because I'm a resilience strategist. So, yeah you know, it all links in so nicely and dovetails so nicely. But, you know, I i do do the, you know, i have to take time every day to sit in in peace and block out times for me to just sit and think and enjoy that. And it's funny because, you know, I've been following some of your tips and I won't ah share them all because it would take me forever to share, but I was sitting and I was having this conversation in my head and it was like, and I think I, you know, I i was asking like the universe questions around, okay, like, am I on the right track here? And, you know, and like intuitively it was like, I was feeling those feelings of excitement. And then I've, you, I've told you this before, I've got this little fear in me from being raised as a Catholic that, you know, that's like, there's bad things. I don't give you bad advice. So in my head, thought popped in my head and I said, well, how do I know you're not just giving me bad advice because you're a bad thing. And this very clear image of a clown popped into my head and it wasn't calling me a clown. It was kind of like, you're funny. You're so funny. and it was like,
00:35:08
Speaker
Okay, yeah. And then I had such a laugh and then it made me feel really like at ease about what I was thinking about and like me being on the right path and feeling excited about that. So it's just little things that, you know, that pop up that you talk about, about just learning to listen and feel relaxed about it and and and be open, I think, to yeah what what things have to say to you.
00:35:32
Speaker
I love that you said be open because that's definitely – one of the things that is the most important because we do have preconceived ideas of how it should take place for us. And that's what so many people struggle with. um You know, I had a client say to me last week, well, how do I see light like you see light, you know, like that happened.
00:35:55
Speaker
um You know, I'm not must be doing it right because I'm not seeing any light and I'm like yeah, but you you just told me that you know when your spirit team stepping close to you or um you know, whatever it is however you perceive or what you want to believe in you felt tingles on the top of your head like you don't have to be the same as me. That's how your abilities work for you. That's how you feel um and she's like oh, yeah, she said I think I'm putting my too high expectations on my I'm trying to tell my intuition, how it should work when you can't do that. Like it just, you know, just like every other, you know, yeah thing, it's just going to work the way it works and we can build on it and make it stronger and we can bring out abilities or work on certain abilities. But if that's how it works for you you just have to, you know, be open and actually take that as a thing.
00:36:45
Speaker
Cause the more you shut it down, the more you're like, that's not real. That's not a thing. the harder it's going to be for you on this journey. i always say at the very beginning of your intuitive a journey, from now on, everything that you think is a thing, just make it a thing.
00:37:00
Speaker
Because that's like, yeah it's like, yeah, it's shutting everything down for you. If you just keep second guessing, like, you know, your grandma and spirits worked really hard to get you that feather. Yeah.
00:37:13
Speaker
And if you take the feather and you're like, oh, I really have this feeling that this is from my grandmother. And if you get the feather and she's worked so hard to get you that feather and you're like, yeah, but that's just a coincidence. And you chuck it away. Poor granny's sitting up there going, oh, my beautiful feather that I sent to you to let you know that I'm with you. i did that. you've done that.
00:37:37
Speaker
Oh, no. Yeah. ah Yeah. Oh, right. I thought you were saying like, it's happened to you. oh man. It's funny. You mentioned feathers because again,
00:37:50
Speaker
no, no no you no, no. I have got feathers, you know um, again, the whole time I was pregnant, I'd had many miscarriages. So when I fell pregnant naturally, like I was just ah fearful the whole time that I was going to, you know,
00:38:02
Speaker
have a miss another miscarriage. And like, I don't think I ever really relaxed that whole pregnancy until I hold held my baby in my arms. But um the whole time, every time I went for a dog walk, every single time I went for a walk, I found a feather every time. And my husband, every time he went for a run, and he found a feather. Every single time we collected a pile of feathers, a pile. That's so interesting. And it's funny because ever since then, i haven't really found, every now and again, I might get one, but like not to that extent. Every single day, every dog walk, I found one. I'm just trying to tell you it's going to be okay.
00:38:36
Speaker
It's going to be fine. You know, like I've already told you it's going to be fine. So here, like just believe it. But yeah, it's funny. It's funny you mentioned that thing. Yeah, well, I just thought, I kind of just saw it in my mind's eye, which is why I actually did mention it. So it's it's good to know that it actually fits for you.
00:38:55
Speaker
Yeah, it does, totally does. um You know, you've you've said you've stopped following others and you started just, for you know, you're following your own, trusting your own lane. You know, that was a big part of you, letting go of that fear of looking weird and trusting your own lane. um Have you got advice for people who are trying to say, um you know,
00:39:20
Speaker
earn their alignment maybe, or, um you know, just pushing hard on like, i I need to do this. And, you know, like that feeling you were talking about where they're trying on that strategy and it's not working and it's not working. And now and listening to this, they might be thinking, okay, I need to move out of that and start trusting that my path will, you know, emerge in front of me if I just listen to some instinct and to some intuition. Like what what advice have you got for them?
00:39:48
Speaker
You can actually ask for help. So that's the other thing is a lot of us, you know, forget that, you know, if you do believe in intuition or any of this, um you know, that there's more to this world than just the three d that you can actually say, um okay, so I tried doing this program because someone told me or I saw this coach that I that i look up to doing it and i actually you know, didn't really feel like it was for me, but I did it because that's what I thought was the right thing to do. And now I'm doing it. It doesn't feel right. But I know i need guidance in this area because i don't know how to do it on my own. So obviously i still have coaches. I still am learning all the time.
00:40:36
Speaker
um So universe, could you send me a sign or send me someone who can help me, you know, for example, in learning how to market myself better, whatever it is that you're looking at, in a way that feels good for me. Please help me in this situation. And I do this all the time. We forget we can actually ask them for help. So we have free will as humans. We have free will as to, you know, how much we want to lean into and and ask for their help.
00:41:04
Speaker
And when you actually do ask, It's giving them permission. So they're always trying to help you or your intuition is always trying to guide you. But when you actually do ask for that help, it amplifies because you're you're giving them permission to intervene further. And it's funny because I'll be scrolling, you know, and then someone will just stand out in feed. So exactly what you were saying but with me and I just kept popping up everywhere.
00:41:30
Speaker
and it's like yeah when it's a thing it keeps repeating like you'll see the course and you'll be like oh soul aligned marketing or you know um marketing and manifesting you know they're all in intertwined together try this program and it'll keep coming up and that person will keep showing up and it'll keep coming up in your feed and then you'll dream about them oh this will happen and it's literally then you know They're just popping it into your field and when you pick up the message, okay, message received, I'm going to do that program, it stops.
00:42:02
Speaker
And that's happened to me so many times. So like even with my my business coach that I'm working with now, um so because obviously I'm clairvoyant, it even got to the point because I didn't pick it up right away. i was pretty quick on actually on it, but not probably as fast as I could have been. because I was like, oh, you know, the usual human stuff, that's a lot of money. Do I really want to drop that amount on business coaching? And I was walking around the lake and His face was superimposed, like with my clairvoyance over like nearly everyone that walked past me. know when you look in the distance and you kind of think you see someone, but it's not actually them. He actually lives in Canada. So I knew it couldn't actually be him. And then I'd get close like, no, that's not him. And then i was like, okay, hang on a minute.
00:42:51
Speaker
Message received. All right, fine. I'll sign up with his business mentoring. Because it actually got to the point where you're playing with my clairvoyance now and I can see his face, which is so creepy, superimposed on all these people that are walking past me. So fine. And he's exactly what I needed. So I'm so glad i summed up with him.
00:43:10
Speaker
But um obviously be open to that happens for you. Amazing. That's not going to happen for everyone where they see your face superimposed on somebody else.
00:43:21
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's going to happen differently for everybody. It's just ah as we've already said, you know, about being open. Yeah. I mean, look, I feel like there's so much more that we can cover and i think we'll probably be bringing you on and as a guest at some point again in the future as we do more of these episodes and and listen to other leaders and entrepreneur entrepreneurs and what their journeys are, because I think you are a breath of fresh air,
00:43:47
Speaker
I love that you talk about intuition, but in such a grounded way, not in this way where people listening might be going, well, that's too out there for me. It's just something practical that you can do. I know I've been doing it in such a practical way that you've suggested through the work that you do. And I've loved it.
00:44:03
Speaker
Like, and not in a, yay, I'm psychic way, just purely in a, you know, I feel relaxed and excited and, you know, um just just more aware, I would say. And that's not a bad feeling to have at all.
00:44:19
Speaker
especially in business where it can feel very lonely at times or you can second guess yourself or you feel like, am I doing the right thing? Or, you know, it's like business and entrepreneurship and leadership is hard. So, yeah.
00:44:34
Speaker
Truly, if you if you just want to feel that lightness and a little bit of like hope or faith that, you know, you're okay, like get in touch with get in touch with June or look her up, which brings me to where can people find you? Like if they want to get in touch with you, work with you, dabble in it like I've done and go deeper and deeper. You've got like a seven-day challenge. How can people find you?
00:44:54
Speaker
Thank you so much. Um, there's something for every level, I guess, like if you're just getting started out versus you really like some people will just deep dive straight in, but the best place is probably at Instagram. So at Ms. June Mac on Instagram, you can reach out there or June Mac.com. And yes, there's free stuff for you there. I have a podcast as well, the little psychic podcast. Um, if you want to, yeah, just dip your toe in, but reach out and ask me questions. I love DM convos. That's how me and Louisa started chatting, um is we literally just sending each other very voice notes and stuff like that. But yeah, if you've got any questions, any feedback, reach out to me anytime, but I'm on um TikTok, I'm on Facebook.
00:45:38
Speaker
um Yeah, but Instagram is probably the main place where I hang out. So I would love to hear from you.
00:45:47
Speaker
Come to the dark side, come to LinkedIn and let more business leaders find Oh, I need I know, it's still on my list. I still haven't done it.
00:45:56
Speaker
Oh, but thank you so much for having me. Get your BA on today. know, I will. Thank you. thank you
00:46:06
Speaker
Thank you so much for being here with me today. I've loved our chats. I hope to continue to keep chatting to you for ages to come because you really are a breath of fresh air. And appreciate you being here with us today sharing insight. Thank you so much. You're doing such amazing work. I love it.
00:46:23
Speaker
You're welcome. i think Thank you. So the voice you're looking for might not be very loud or out there. If you're listening to this podcast, it might be right there inside of you. Just be open to it. ah be open to listening to how you feel in the moment when that advice comes to you, ah you know, discerning between fear and ego and what what the universe might be telling you, delve deeper into that because sometimes intuition is not something that's ultra loud. It's something that comes quietly, but it's so valuable when you start to listen to it. And thanks to June for joining us and and sharing that story. We'll see you next time at the Second Voice Podcast. I look forward to chatting to you then.
00:47:09
Speaker
Bye.