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The Pavement Parish: Street Evangelism for Everyone (with Isaac Olaleye)
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What if evangelism on the street, speaking to random strangers, wasn't the scariest thing ever? We are British, after all! PEP Talk is here to break down the barriers, exploring the role of prayer, the importance of community, the release of expectations and the joy of joining God's work in sharing Jesus on the streets of London.
Isaac Olaleye works in tech and is also a musician with a heart for people and community. He leads and teaches the evangelism team at Jubilee Church in North London, helping equip believers for monthly street evangelism and outreach. He also serves as a youth leader and is passionate about seeing people live out mission within their everyday lives.
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Introduction to Pep Talk Podcast
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Well, it was back in 2019 that we trialed little podcast. We called it Pep Talk, the persuasive evangelism podcast. And we got different guests on every fortnight for a short conversation about how they share their faith.
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And we have had some brilliant guests on over the last few years. People have talked about sharing their Christian faith with people from different religious just backgrounds, different lifestyles, children, youth, students, adults. We've showcased some fantastic experiences. Fantastic resources as well.
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And the episodes that I've had the privilege of being involved in, I've just loved talking to the guests, some brilliant people that we've had on. And we're now approaching almost 200
Listener Engagement and Feedback
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episodes. I'm not sure when we started out, we thought we would do this many, but here we are at nearly 200 episodes. And some are wondering what you think.
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What has been most encouraging for you? What's inspired you most? Or are there whole areas of evangelism that we haven't covered that you would love us to talk about? We'd love to hear from you. Go to our website, press the contact button and let us know what you think. And thank you for being part of Pep Talk over these last few years.
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Street evangelism is a subject that conjures up all kinds of different impressions for Christians. Many are fearful of trying to communicate with random people, and others might associate it with preachers shouting at passers-by.
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If that's your impression, then this show is for you, as our guest today will be sharing about how he helps Christians have better conversations about faith with those around them.
Isaac Olaleye: A Journey into Street Evangelism
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Welcome to Pep Talk, the persuasive evangelism podcast from Solas. I'm Simon Wenham and I'm joined by one of the co-founders of Pep Talk, Christy Mayer. Christy, it's been a while since you've been up on the show. are things with you?
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has been a while, hasn't it, Simon? I've really missed you guys. i've I've been well, you know, working, conferencing, reading, but it's great to be back today with our guest and with you. Fantastic. It's good to have you here again. and when we last When I last saw you, you were actually doing a seminar on the topic of the spiritual realm. and it actually It was absolutely brilliant. I remember thinking at the time that it'd be good to have you as a guest on Pep Talk sometime doing doing that subject, but that may be something for another time. Is is that a subject you often speak about?
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Oh, I'd love that, Simon. And ah more recently, yes, it's been ah it's a topic that's been at the back of my mind ah for a number of years. And only recently, as we've undergone a revalidation at college, we've been able to host a module on it. So the the sessions that you joined me for were kind of an an outworking of some of that module. So thank you so much for joining us ah for that day, Simon. It was great to see you. And yeah, I love talking about angels and demons. So Brilliant. might a Fantastic. Well, that's hopefully ah a subject for another day. We must move on to introduce our guest today. I'm delighted to introduce Isaac Olaleye, who works in tech and he is also a musician and a youth worker. But we're speaking to him today because he leads a team at Jubilee Church in North London that regularly does street evangelism.
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Isaac, welcome to the show. and To start us off, could you say something about how you got involved with this sort of evangelism in the first place? ah Yeah, yeah. Thank you for having me firstly, guys. um Let me just kind of put it to you in a nutshell. It's a long story, but really where it all started is when I got saved, um I remember just having this understanding and awareness of mission.
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through my reading of the Bible and just kind of going through it, seeing what other churches do, watching videos. And I just really wanted to get involved in it. And it's funny because this is when the pandemic really kicked in. And so people weren't really going outside. Missions kind of was, of course, going on. But where everything was kind of reducing and scaling in, it was harder to kind of get out and say, look, let's do X, Y and Z.
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And so at the time, my church was running a food bank and I remember starting to get involved there. I started to speak to people when they would come in, get their food, share the gospel. Sometimes I'll drop them home if they have shopping bags and all this. So that started there, kind of evangelizing. Then again, in pandemic times, people weren't really going out on Sundays, but i was like, you know what? There's a need. So we started to go, me and my wife,
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to areas where the homeless were evangelizing to them, giving them food. And then from there, it just, it it just continued to grow and grow and grow. So then I would start to at work on my lunchtimes, go out into the area and evangelize to people for the hour. Then after work, I would do it and speak to people in pubs and bars, just go out ah across central London because it would be full with people. And then that just continued to go on for about three years.
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And then I think one time my pastor, he saw me evangelizing on the street and then he called me into his office, I think like three weeks after. He's like, what were you doing there? And I said, I was evangelizing. And he said, okay. And he kind of left it. And then there was like an evangelism conference. I spoke at that in the church. And that was like the birth of evangelism in the church. And then the evangelism team started.
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And then loads of people just also had a heart like me and wanted to come together. And then I started leading the team. We went out on a monthly basis, sometimes twice a month. And then that's how the street evangelism team grew. And yeah, we'rere we're continuing to go from that as well. So yeah, that's kind of how it started. That's ah the nutshell story. Isaac, what a lovely origin story of how this all began. like Thank you so much. Can you share with us like a little bit about how you actually
Techniques in Faith Conversations
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do it? like how do you If you walk into a pub or if you're bumping into somebody on the street, how do you know who to talk to and how do you start that conversation with them?
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Yeah, I think, which is something I'm sure we'll get on to in a minute, but I think prayer are is like the prerequisite to all of this. And it is what really starts it for me in such a big way. So ah normally my prayer time is in the morning. ah That's where I devote most of my time in the morning is is to pray. And so what I find is that my heart is stirred for certain things. Maybe places to go will come in my heart or like I'm like, Lord, give me an opportunity today. And so then when I get out into the field, I'm kind of like praying under my breath as I'm walking to certain places.
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And then I just feel like everything I'm getting in the morning in that moment as well is coming together. And then I just feel the Lord will direct me to this person or that group of people or this person there.
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And so then when I'm approaching them in in a very practical sense, I'm trying to be normal, if that makes it. Because sometimes I feel like, again, we overcomplicate this and we and we and we we forget because we've been in church for so long, we forget these people are unchurched. So if you say, oh, I'm here to talk to you about salvation, and like that doesn't really, that that might not resonate with them. do you get what mean? So I'm just coming across very normal. I'm like, look, this is normally what I say. I'm like, my name is Isaac and I work in the local area or I live in the local area or da, da, da, da.
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I'm just out having conversations with people about faith. So I keep it broad because everyone loves to speak about spirituality and faith. If you say Christianity, what happens is that because people think they understand everything they need to know about Christianity, they're like, no, I'll pass on that. But if you say faith, it opens up a door or something similar to that. And so that's how I normally enter a conversation. I'll say something like that. And someone's intrigued. And once I've sparked the interest in a lot, okay, go on.
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And then from there, the conversation starts and I'm just asking lots of questions. And so from those questions, and this is how I normally teach my team as well. If you ask more questions than you do preaching, you will find at some point someone will say something where you see they need Jesus in their life. It just always happens. Just ask lots of questions. And at some point someone will say something and you're like, ah, this is where you need Jesus. And then from there, you speak into that moment.
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Fantastic. And so you're you're being led by the Lord. I suppose one question that I'd be interested in is a lot of Christians might feel some some kind of dread of having to go up to random people.
Overcoming Fear in Evangelism
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How did you get over the fear? Is that a is that part of the the prayer? Or how do you sort of get past that first hurdle that some Christians might think, actually, I'm not sure if I could even get to that point in the first place? Yeah, yeah. It's it's so funny because it is a real thing. It's like someone said to me once, oh, so do you just find it natural to speak to strangers? And I was like, of course not. like No one does. You know, you just have to conquer the fear. And I think where it came from is is really just, ah ah of course, a lot of prayer went into it. Like, Lord, you know, If there's any fear in me, you know, crush it so I can just go and do what I need to do.
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um And naturally that fear is there. But if I'm honest, you just you just do it. And then I think once you do it once, once you do it twice, once you do it three times and you and you keep doing it and you've encountered everything. So you've encountered people kind of like swearing at you and telling you to go away or whatever. You've encountered people just ignoring you. Once you've gone through all of those motions, it's like, what more can they do to me? It's like, so I think what happened at first, there was all of that fear. And bear in mind, I'm on my own, sometimes approaching groups of six, eight, sometimes one person, sometimes a couple, whatever it is.
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And all of these experiences are new. And I'm like, okay, but if I just do it, once I've done it enough, it will almost be like just like muscle memory. And still, even till today, sometimes I go out and I've got to shake off that dust and just go into it. But what I'm saying is that ultimately, once you do it once in a couple of times, you're able to just push past the fear and go. But I think And just quickly, I think one thing that I felt was massive, and this is what I think the Lord was preparing me for in those like maybe four years or so when I was just doing it alone, it was something that kept pressing on my heart was that this, I don't think evangelism should necessarily always be done alone, especially when it's organized.
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In the word, when you when you read you see that there was groups, there was two. that and i And I just kept feeling on my heart. And I was like, Lord, continue to show me people who would want to go out as well. Because I just feel like there's power when there's two people, when there's three people, when there's a group.
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And so, like I said, when my pastor saw me and then that started the team, I was like, thank you, God. Because like that was the answer to all my prayers. And now I don't go out um alone anymore. So I think another answer to that question is that if there is that fear, it's not Like you don't necessarily need to do it alone. Like sometimes I would just call up my friend. I'll be like, look, before we go gym, should we just quickly go and evangelize? And we just hit the park, evangelize for an hour. Then we go to the gym. So it's like, yeah, there's there's so many ways. But I think lean on friends, lean on other Christians as well. That's a big thing.
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That is wonderful. I love that idea of just kind of, it's not a event. It's just part of your everyday life. You just talk to people wherever you're at and make the most of those opportunities.
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ah One of the things that I think you've mentioned elsewhere is just taking the pressure off Christians. Like you aren't the one, we aren't the ones who are able to in some way ah achieve their salvation as it were.
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That isn't our our goal. We can't do that. So what what are you trying to work towards in the space of that short chat conversation with them?
The Role of Prayer in Evangelism
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What would make you walk away from that interaction and think, thank you, Lord, that went well?
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Yeah, yeah, I think it's such a good question. um With my team, one thing that we've implemented is that, so normally we go around midday or just before. One thing that we implement is that in the morning, though, on Zoom, we come together and we pray. And that, because I said to them at one point, I said, I think evangelism is almost like you, you can't talk about it without talking about prayer. It is like they go hand in hand. And I and always think about that verse where, you know, their disciples, they couldn't cast out that demon and Jesus like this is only done by fasting and prayer. So clearly evangelism actually starts when you pray and fast. And then evangelism, when you go out and speak to people, you're unleashing that power when you get into the field. And so,
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The reason I say all that is because we take the pressure off by praying and saying, Lord, let your will be done. And we're pressing into that. So then when we go out in the field, we're not like something needs to happen because we're just being obedient to what the Lord has called us to do on that very day. And so whatever happens in that conversation, it's like when Paul was was speaking,
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And it was like, he was basically saying something along the lines, look, regardless of the way the conversation goes, like this, the gospel was preached and to the glory of God, it was preached. And so that's why I always say to them, I say, look, when you're having your conversation, find a way to weave in the gospel because the gospel message will be heard. But at the end of the day, take the pressure off yourself in the sense of something has to happen. But you know what's so funny? I always say this. And then when we go out, we see salvation in every corner. And it's like my team, like when we come back, because we debrief,
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will they will be like, yeah, we'll speak into someone and they asked me, they were like, okay, ah like how do I get closer to Christ? And it's like they led them to Christ. And even I remember there was one time I told my, we were just briefing just before we would go out. And I was like, guys, like today, just just carry the spirit of joy. See where the Lord leads you. And the first person I spoke to, she was like, ah she she said she kind of grew up in a Catholic household. she ended up, you know, accepting Christ. and And so what I'm ultimately saying is that I'm not really looking for anything. I'm just looking to have the conversation, seeing where Jesus would take it.
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But then just because of that, that heart of prayer and pressing into the Lord's will you find that in that moment, the Lord would do something and you always just see something happening, whether it's someone saying they want to go to church or someone asking you more questions about your own testimony and stuff like that. So Yeah, that's that's what the main thing is, is is that look, just whatever you've prayed for prior, if you're confident in that and you had a heart to seek the Lord's will, when you're obedient in the field, that's it. Whatever we come back home with, we come back home with. So that's really what it is.
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Absolutely. There's something powerful, isn't there, about just sort of faithfully serving and also being sort of attuned to where God is leading. and yeah Do you have any sort of particular tips for having better conversations? As you say, obviously you're being led by God, but are there sort of certain ways in that you you lead when you have conversations?
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You mentioned questions.
The SALT Method for Evangelism
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Yeah, yeah. I've discussed the SALT method before um when speaking to people who are keen to evangelize and the SALT method is just start a conversation, arts questions, listen, and then tell your story. I think that's really like a really simple and helpful way. But I always say, I think really what the SALT method wraps up is that people can go online to listen to a sermon, right? And so when you're speaking to someone, you're having an interaction, a human interaction, which is rare these days, especially with strangers, because we don't live in a place. I don't think the UK is that
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open to kind of like stranger up upon stranger conversations. Like when I went to the States and Canada, for example, um nothing to do with evangelism, but you can just see like they're much more open to stranger conversations, like where you just don't know anyone, you just having a conversation. But here we're less like that, especially in London, right? So for what I always say is, um just try and ask questions because people do love speaking about themselves. If you ask them about their job, their family, or, you know, without obviously, of course, being too intimate because you just met the person. But if you ask questions, people love to speak about themselves and share about their own lives and share what they believe in and what they think. And if you show respect, care and listen and you're attentive, because again, people rarely get that where people are actually interested in what they have to say. And so I think on a very practical level, ask lots of questions. It's like the most helpful thing. So just start the conversation and ask lots and lots of questions and then be vulnerable as well. um And that's one thing I've found super powerful because it's a stranger. I can tell you about like my like my sin prior to when I was a Christian or I can tell you about things I haven't shared with people. but and And that what I find sometimes opens up something in them.
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that where they're like, wow, like this level of vulnerability, there's clearly something here. And so that makes them share. So I think just to summarize it, it's just ask lots of questions, be vulnerable and see what the Lord would do in that conversation. And don't be afraid to then just take it there and say, look, like,
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you know, Jesus saved my life. And when you're sharing the gospel, being like, you know, this is something that you can have too. Don't be afraid because sometimes I think we get to that point where like the Lord is working in the conversation. We see the climax building and it's like, do I go there? And I would say, by all means, take it there. Because even if the person says no, that's that's the worst that can happen. So it's just like, yeah, I think that's really helpful.
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I'd love to hear more about that, Isaac, because um you know thinking about asking questions is, you know, we see this in Genesis, like the first words that God utters to Adam and Eve after the fall are in the form of questions. Like he isn't at that point.
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ah proclaiming to them and I imagine some people might be thinking this is great in that all I need to do is ask questions but the hard thing for some people is moving from asking questions to then actually sharing something themselves whether that's you know their personal testimony or talking about Jesus in much more of a I'm now proclaiming to you who Jesus is and what he's done How do you move?
From Questions to Gospel Sharing
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So for instance, like me, I'm much more comfortable just asking questions and listening to people. That's my sweet spot. I love that. For me, the difficulty is, okay, I've now listened to you and I don't want to ah break the relationship by now changing gear and suddenly say, oh yeah, so you mentioned you're afraid of the dark. Say, do you know that Jesus is like the light of the world? Like that feels like after listening, it's a bit of a bait and switch. Suddenly I'm now moving into a different place way of engaging with them yeah what would you say to someone like me or someone else who's like thinking how do i make that transition well without being disingenuous and by breaking through that kind of that pain barrier as some call it yeah yeah such a good question and um
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I find that it's such a spiritual thing because it it happens so differently from conversation to conversation. um If I could give you even a live example, like I said, like when I was speaking to that lady who was from a Catholic background,
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um I just kept asking questions like, for example, I was saying, OK, so when you grew up in your mother's house, like, what was it like when you were, you know, going to church? She said, I didn't really have any connection with it and da, da, da, da. And then when just like I said, when I was asking some questions, I said, you know what? Your story actually reminds me much like mine. I grew up in a Christian house with my parents, but I only went because they they told me to go.
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And then, you know, after some time, went to university, you read the Bible cover to cover, and then the Lord saved me for a chapter and in in the Bible. And I just, and so you you see, i've've I've moved on, but i'm I'm doing it based on her story. So that's one there where, but she's obviously been talking about her Christian upbringing. But then there was another time where speaking to someone else and they're not even talking about anything to do with faith. They're just talking about the world and how wicked it is and da da da da. And so I'm asking some questions i'm saying, okay, but like, what do you feel like your responsibility is? And and speaking to him about his own convictions and what he feels
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And again, it's like I said, this is why say it's a spiritual thing because in that moment, it's it's like what it says in, them it says, don't worry about what you will say when you you get brought before the courts, like the Holy Spirit in that moment will give you the words you need to say. And I find that that's just what happens. But again, in that moment where he's not necessarily talking about faith, I'm thinking, okay, how can I bring Jesus into this? Because that is the redemption. and i'm And I'm saying to him, like, look, at the end of the day, all of this is going on. There is wickedness, there is evil, but you as an individual, whether you believe this or not, because this is what I believe, that we will all meet God one day and God will ask us about ourself. He won't ask about Putin and all those other guys that you dislike right now. He will ask you about you. And so it's just like bringing it back to the person. Do you know mean? So every single situation is different, but I do find,
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And this is where you just in faith, you start that conversation. But I do find once you ask enough, and if you've got that kind of you're amped up in the spirit in the sense of like you you sought God and God has said, okay, look, this is the person you'll speak to today. they Go and have that conversation. You just find there is some way to navigate that into, but you know, x And it doesn't feel strange if you spent the time to listen and accept what they're saying and you've shown that you're attentive and you respect them.
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i I find it only is strange when you just want to get that gospel off. When you're like, what's your name? My name is Ben. Okay. Jesus ah loves you. And de-dada then it's just like, that is weird. But if you spent the time, you've built almost a rapport. And this, I've seen this happen in literally 2.5 minutes or five minutes.
00:20:46
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And you get to that point, it just by the grace of God, it just happens. Honestly, that's why I say it's a spiritual thing. I can't even explain it sometimes. It just it just takes place. but I hope that helps. Yeah, definitely. Thank you. I was actually struck by you as sort of saying that actually you feel that you can get people do have a sense of God within them, that sometimes you have to sort of tease it out over time.
Human Interaction vs. Tracts in Evangelism
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And that's a little like um Solas has a book called Have You Ever Wondered, which tries to link themes into why God makes sense of them. um i was I was interested to see also that you don't bring tracts or anything to give to people. Can you can you say why why that's the case?
00:21:23
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Yeah, yeah. Again, it's like um it's like what I was saying and before, when it's when you're out there, you're having human interaction. And I just find if you have...
00:21:34
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And and it's it's with other things as well. It's like if people wear like cross chains or if people have got like Bibles and I tell all my team, I say, guys, put that all away. And the reason why is because you don't want to approach someone and they think they already know what you're there to do. or they think that you're selling something or they think you have an agenda because that's what everyone does have in the world. It's like sometimes we go to Trafalgar Square and when we go there, like there's loads of different stands, there's loads of different people with different agendas pushing on you veganism or pushing on you like Chinese meditation or this and that and the third. and But our message is so much deeper and it's like I don't want us to approach anyone
00:22:13
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and think that that's our only agenda because Jesus came for the person. It's for the lost. It's for the heart of that person. So it's not just an agenda. Yes, we want to share the gospel, but what is the gospel? It will save the person that hears it. So let's get to the heart of the person. So put away all the tracks, put away the Bibles, just just for a moment, just just just disguise them for a second. Get to the heart of the person, then you can do that.
00:22:36
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Then you can bring out the Bible and say, look, I've got a Bible for you. Would you like to have it more so as a gift rather than as a means to connect with that person. So what I'm basically saying is I'm asking my team and I'm saying to myself, let's try and have a human interaction in the same way when Jesus saw Zacchaeus and he said, I want to eat in your house today. Let's let's do the communion, but let's do that.
00:23:00
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And then... then that way, then it's it's more of a human thing that we're carrying rather than like ah just a message or or something like that. And so I find that when you do that, you can just find yourself just giving out tracks. So you you don't even know if you've really had an encounter with anyone or if the Lord spoke to you through that moment. You're just just giving out pieces of paper. And I'm not against it by any means. I'm not saying we shouldn't do that. I'm just saying for the most part with my team. And when I go out, I try to make it very conversational.
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um And then from there, I find that it just, it's a bit more effort, but it just, you find that you have um some real, real understanding of the person you're speaking to. So, yeah. and Do you have any good examples of conversations where people have either come to faith or or grown in their journey?
Success Stories in Street Evangelism
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Yeah, I've got a um some good examples that come to mind. I remember there was one time, because like I said, sometimes I'd go out my friend. This was like near the latter part of me doing a lot of my solo evangelism. So there was a time I started going out my friend.
00:24:04
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It was just a regular morning, really. We went out to the local park. And we were having different conversations. And then there was a couple there. I think they had like ah some, they were wearing some very interesting clothes anyway. And I think on their clothes, you could see they were maybe involved in some activism or something like that. Anyway, we started to speak to them and we understood that they were going out to a march that day.
00:24:26
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um And then we started to engage them about maybe Christ. It just came up somehow. And she said that she got she's been to a church before, but she feels very disconnected when she went. She felt disconnected. And then she she felt like she she can't really connect with God. and And so her partner was saying something slightly different. He was like, oh, he's been to church before, but he's not really is not really keen on it. But again, it was kind of a thing where they were like, the reason why they're very involved in church marches and protests and things like that is because they they want justice, they want fairness and all this stuff. Anyway, so we start to speak to them about the aspect of a personal relationship with God, which I didn't i don't think they knew about. they they I think a lot of people, they see ah a relationship with God as just going to church. And so we let them know about the personal aspects. And like I said, not to keep make this too long, but
00:25:21
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I think what happened in that conversation is that they understood something that they didn't know before, that that personal loving nature of God, which doesn't resonate with everyone, but for whatever reason, that morning it did with them. So the the lady started crying and then her partner was kind of also struck by this. And we said, you know what, but that relationship with God is not hard to access. Again, it's just something where you can say, if you believe in your heart and you say it with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord,
00:25:50
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then you will be saved. There is a journey to walk after, but that's where it starts. And I said, we can do this right now. And they were like, we'd love to. And so me, my friend, this lady and her partner, we just, we led them to Christ in in the park in that morning. It was beautiful. and they were crying. there It was just just a great moment. So yeah, that's, that's one example of where in the moments of just being out on the streets, just a regular morning, you never expect it. Just a transformation like that.
00:26:16
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Yeah. Isaac, we're sadly coming into land in a moment. If we wanted to find out more about your ministry, where where could we go? Yeah, do you know what? um I was actually saying this earlier. I'm not like, I'm not someone who publishes stuff on this evangelism. You just might see me on the street and that's the thing. Wonderful. You're not far from May see him around. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but, but, but. if if anyone wants to find me, I'm on Instagram, and then um which is K-I-O-S World, which is just my initials, like K-I-O-S-W-O-R-L-D. That's just me on Instagram. But from there, you can find my music, what i'm about, everything. And that all links to to evangelism anyway. So, yeah.
00:27:00
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And could i just ask just one final question as well? just If someone wants to sort of cultivate this mindset, you you know, you're a lot more missional as you go
Everyday Evangelism Opportunities
00:27:10
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out. Where does someone start with that? What do you recommend? Because I loved your point about this being just an everyday part of what Christians should be doing. How how can we shift our mindset and our focus? Do you have any advice just for someone who might want to start start out just as a sort of final point? Yeah, yeah. I think um it on a very practical level, one thing that really helped me and and made me see that you can just, it can just be a part of your life was lot of YouTube videos, really. When I was early off starting, and especially in the pandemic, where i was like, how would I do this thing? It's on my heart. How do other people do it? So just YouTube and I think too,
00:27:46
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and I'm not endorsing these people, but these are two channels which just really helped me. There was one, it was called Living Waters. There's a guy called Ray Comfort. He would kind of go out on his bike with his dog, just go to the beach and just speak to loads of different people. And it was so gospel-led, but so like he was attending to the human heart. So that was great. And then there's another guy, think it's Todd White. He would just like, maybe he'd be eating dinner and we speak to the waiter or whatever. And so things like that really helped me to understand that While, yes, you can make an organized effort, there's also just in your daily life. And that's what I do as well, like in the gym, in the shops, work or wherever i am. It's just like it can be part and parcel of your life. So those things really help me.
00:28:25
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I think one of the the many things I've enjoyed about this conversation, Isaac, is that you speak with power and conviction. And I can imagine how you are very present in the conversations you you have with people and what are what a witness that is to them of the power of God in you by his Holy Spirit. So thank you so much. I've i've really enjoyed this conversation.
00:28:48
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Sadly, we we have to end now, but we thank you for joining us this week. And we look forward to being with you again in a couple of weeks when we get talk with our next person in the hot seat.
00:28:59
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But didnt until then, goodbye.