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Dr. Kezia Jackson
20 Plays3 months ago
TheraSistersStL chatted it up with Dr. Kezia Jackson (she/her), a licensed psychologist and the proud owner of Healing Spaces Psychological Services LLC, a compassionate private practice nestled in Clayton, Missouri. Her mission is clear: championing the well-being of Black individuals, people of color, women, and historically minoritized communities by providing safe, inclusive, and supportive spaces for healing and personal growth.
With over a decade of clinical expertise, Dr. Jackson specializes in psychological assessment. She helps clients understand their complex or overlapping symptoms, offering clarity and delivering personalized guidance. As a therapist, she seeks to help Black women heal from past parenting experiences and childhood events while empowering Black families to nurture and support themselves, breaking free from punitive parenting practices. Her goal is to rewrite the narrative for future generations.
Dr. Jackson earned her Psy.D. in Clinical Psychology from Loyola University Maryland in 2016, completing an APA-accredited internship at Terry Children's Center and a postdoc at UMSL's Center for Behavioral Health (CBH) in 2017.
In her downtime, Dr. Jackson finds solace at home with her spouse and toddler. At her essence, Dr. Jackson strives for every interaction to leave others feeling loved, valued, and empowered.
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Transcript
Returning from Colorado: Adjusting to Routine and Summer
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um so here we are. b made a little break yeah so we're a little rusty I think we're going to be good. Okay. I hope so. that yeah um Where are we back from? Colorado. Yes. We had a graduation in the family. That was fun and exciting. It's good to see the Colorado family. How are you adjusting? To get back? This week's better. Last week was hard. It was like a half a week.
00:00:35
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And just kind of getting my mind back into going to the office and doing things and getting on the summer schedule of camps and waking up and just all of that. Yes, we have a lot of transitional time happening. Yes. Summer away from trips. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah.
Introducing Dr. Kaziah Jackson and Healing Spaces
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Well, maybe our guest today, Dr. Kaziah Jackson from Healing Spaces and Psychological Services can help us with some transitions.
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i come fancy some of these for the off there.
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there ah Thanks for having you Oh, so glad you came and got to meet you finally. I tell you, with all the social media and like Facebook and Instagram, I see your face and I hear that things that you're doing, but I've never met you. It's weird. Oh, it's nice to meet you in person. Well, the cool thing is you actually came to one of my very first networking jobs event, and that's how I originally met you. So that was really cool. So we got way back.
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ah you know You haven't been to one in a while. I know, I know. I need to carve out the time. That's my problem. I need to just put it on the calendar and then I'll be there. For everything, right? Yep, yep, yep. I'm going to do it. I'm going to look at the calendar and I'm going to put it on there when I get back to the office. I'm going to look at it. Yeah, thank
Creating Healing Spaces for Marginalized Communities
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you. So I guess, you know, we have you on here because you are also a healer and yeah, I just want to know more about healing spaces and your goals with that and how you help people heal.
00:02:33
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Okay, yeah, I'm gonna jump right in. All right, so healing spaces was started in 2018 and it was just me. So I was doing this kind of part-time private practice and as the years went on, on I transitioned to full-time practice and then made me start thinking like, how can you make a rock can I make a bigger difference in the St. Louis community? And while I never expected to have that group practice, that looks like it does now. I'm so glad that it does. But our our goal and our mission is to create space appealing for Black individuals, people of color, everybody, anybody from a marginalized population to um and feel happier and healthier and just have a better yeah better life. Awesome. Yeah. How many
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People do have people asking that all the time. Honestly, because it
Growth and Adaptation During the Pandemic
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changes so much. So like talking about the transitions of the summer, we have um a summer intern who's there doing assessments. We have a psychiatrist who's in the office now more full time.
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Psychometrists, yes. So a psychiatrist is someone who does some of the psychological evaluations. So trying the testing and interpretation and all of that. So there's the ommatrist piece.
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and oh
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but yeah i said um
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that we just hired in the field pcs So very it just changes. so I know there's. And when I think payroll, there's at least nine of us. Oh, wow. That's a good number for people. Yeah, including the y'all some interns and the administrative staff. And we have a leadership team. Yeah. Oh, wow. It's growing so much, you know. Yeah, in 2018 is when you started. Mm-hmm. Wow. When did you start healing spaces? It became, in 2018, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it became a group and, uh,
00:04:46
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those pandemics and everything around thes blurty yeah ah i losing think twenty it was probably twenty twenty yeah okay wow yeah Yeah. Well, a lot of peo ah having like virtual or online, was that something that helped healing spaces grow? Oh, for sure. Because I remember when I first transitioned during the pandemic, a lot of people, because we knew we didn't know what it was going to turn out to be, so a lot of people were like,
00:05:19
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I'll just come back when we're back in the office. It's no big deal. But yeah, several weeks, I'll see you in a couple weeks prior to a couple months. So definitely think that it helped for sure. And then um with it being a Missouri, like to be able to access everybody Missouri, not just kind of with our surrounding areas. And now, though, I feel more and more wanting to come in person. So we do have a fair amount of people who virtual works for them and their their lives. it However, we get a lot of people who are like, no, I won't just sit down in the company chairs and do stuff.
Specializing in Differential Diagnosis
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Yeah, I found the same. A lot of people are like, I'd rather do it. Yeah, there's benefits for all. Yeah, yeah yeah I have clients who'll do both.
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Yeah, it's a good mix. It is a good mix. And I know it's good for us therapists as well to sometimes be at home to do it when they do online or if we have a sick kid or something like that. Yeah, there's a lot of flexibility with it. Yeah, yeah. And so going back to the healing piece, you do assessments and do you have a specific or a specialty in your assessments? Oh, that's a great question.
00:06:35
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o Okay, so I guess my specialty would be, I have an answer, okay. My specialty would be what we call differential diagnosis. Okay. So while I love doing more like straightforward evaluations, I feel like a lot of people that come to me as they go to spaces are wondering about multiple diagnoses, or I don't have like a We get to adults have a long-standing history of mental health, conditions, they have been hospitalized, we've received multiple diagnoses, and my history of trauma. And they're like, help me sort out what this could be. So clarity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So doing all of that work and then I hesitate it because previously a lot of my work had been in working with children.
Comprehensive Services at Healing Spaces
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So I, of course, have been learning this a lot of my daughters and
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um all those evaluations and certainly love working with adults to just tease apart what's what's going on okay good um yeah and pause because i'm also thinking of questions around that well i'm also curious just at healing spaces like the types of services yeah in addition to maybe diagnoses and that's why i love the theme and how it's grown because it allows us to serve a lot of people in different ways. So we have couples therapy. We do individual therapy, of course, psychological evaluations, group therapy, parent training in one of our specialties as well. So working just not with the the child, working with the parents. Parenting's hard sometimes. Yes, yes. So figuring out kind of like what's going on on or what could be the the best approach.
00:08:25
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um And a lot of our clinicians have different niches, which is great. So I feel like there's what the ideal is there could be something for for everyone there. Okay. Great. Great. So because we can look at specialties as far as diagnoses, such as anxiety or something of that. But I know that, you know, you're wanting to help ah people in the marginalized communities.
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And so that, when you think of like diagnosing them, that could be all of them. yeah yeah We all have something and of different things. So I think one, it's good to have that um variety and therapist. And then you have that clarity to kind of figure out which one is it really that I'm struggling with and then kind of who to send them to. hello And yeah, can I don't know.
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um like doing their work especially um less than with marginalized populations because I feel like there's also a lot of research that shows a lot of folks can misdiagnose. So, wanting to clarify like what exactly is going on because that's going to form treatment. And even so, I get a lot of people from all types of populations with significant trauma history.
00:09:41
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And I feel that in their experience, they call it different physicians or hospitals. It's like, oh, you have bipolar disorder. Right. it's like Because there's probably some bias, right, coming in from some of these diagnosis. For sure. For sure. Especially if it's perhaps like led to hospitalization. So to be able to be like, okay, but have we looked at trauma? Have we looked at this? but Let's dig back and see your childhood. less form and accurate diagnosis because it could be bipolar disorder it could be or it could be post-traumatic disorder or it could be a personality disorder. They look similar and it's super helpful to be able to say like
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This is what's going on, whether it's a diagnosis or not, just having some information about who you are, how you process information, what are your triggers, et cetera, for us to be able to then provide a detailed list of recommendations that are personalized for that person. So then I can say, this is what's going on. Now you can take it to that. sorry yeah but like To figure out what what's going on. So I like facilitating that process. Well, I feel like too sometimes a diagnosis almost feels easy, not easy, but like in the sense of like, it's a label. When I have a label on something, I understand it. I think I do, right? And I think a lot of other professionals, they might go right to that diagnosis when they don't necessarily explore other people. And you know, and a lot of that influences our behaviors and our reactions to things. So I'm curious just with the marginalized, like making this special space, um
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Like, what is your perspective of doing that specifically and just how it helps and
Representation and Impact in Therapy
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how? Yeah, certainly, certainly. So I did it. So throughout my, I'll say short career outside of practice, worked at some really great places. And oftentimes I i was the only black psychologist, um only person of color, and working with a lot of the Black populations, Black fat populations, and recognizing that a lot of things like religious culture weren't being attributed to or think or thought of or even like the recommendations that were given were not maybe not been feasible for that family or certain things weren't taken into consideration, not just regarding like race and ethnicity, but religion or whatever. So for me, it was like, okay, let me create a space where I know that these things are going to be prioritized.
00:12:10
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And a big thing for me at Hello Spaces and for all the team is we really focus on authenticity. So we want you to show up who you are yeah as you are. And we talk a lot about how this um idea of professionalism and how it's rooted in all types of whatever, capitalism, all types of crazy patriarchy.
00:12:36
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And how we just want you to show up as you are, and just be totally safe. Talk like you want to talk, dress like you want to talk. yeah I know that that's how we're going to be safe. Exactly. Because how I talk to you all right now is how I talk to my family, how I talk to my clients.
00:12:50
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isn't It makes sense for me. It makes sense for them. And if your client can't be there often themselves, then not much is going to happen. right and You've got to have that trust and that connection. And yeah yeah and with like all this stigma around mental health, but particularly in the black community and other populations, like we wanted it to be a space where just come and we can talk about things. And I know you might not have had like good experiences in the past, but what can we do to try to change that and work with you? Because at the end of the day, we just want you to feel better. Yeah. Yeah. That's good.
Family and Community Therapy: Real-Life Dynamics
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Yeah. And I'm glad that you're creating that safe space because, you know, I think as maybe in tune as a white woman and I keep growing and I keep learning like, oh, I got to keep growing on that piece.
00:13:40
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um can help and want to help marginalized populations. But at the same time, though, I'm also realistic to know I haven't had some of the life experiences and where others might have. And so I think it's good that there's that community that you're creating more people can go and have that. Yeah, so thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. That's good. And it's so important to see someone who looks like you, you know, in these positions, in these spaces, you know, that I mean, it makes such a big difference. you know Yeah, I guess on some level, I'm thinking of um people who struggle with addiction, and that sometimes they look for like, you struggle with it, do you really understand it. And I, maybe that's one of the reasons why I don't do addiction.
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I mean, I'm addicted to sugar, but I don't think it's the same. And, you know, it's not the same. And so, yeah, there might, I might not totally understand it, and I'll have maybe these preconceived ideas that are hurtful. And so, yeah, I think it, but at the same time, though, can help people. Sure. Right. And so, I don't know, it's just, I guess, trying to find your good fit and you offer another ah another space here yeah another thank yeah yes because um I think we all know that that fit is so important and that relationship is so important. So providing the option and be like, okay, if you want someone with a similar experience to you, yeah then perhaps this is the space.
00:15:21
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And we can help you focus on X, Y, and D. So not only having, like, the lived experience, also recognizing that our experience can be totally different. You know, we might look the same, or whatever. And I can bring some of that in the room, as well as, like, my expertise and my education. And then together, we can kind of tackle some of your issues and concerns. Yeah, because you have that unique kaleidoscope of all of that. That's a good way of looking at it. Yeah, yeah. And so I think I read in your body a little that you, you know, so work with people with trauma and ah maybe specifically yeah being parented trauma. Did I read that correctly or did I read it wrong? Sometimes I don't really remember the things that I write.
00:16:11
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But I can't explain, I think, what I was trying to do. So we have myself, and there's a number of questions there that have a lot of us.
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um experience with children that have been adopted or foster care system or have experienced just trauma in general. okay So yeah yeah, so sometimes parenting looks very different if you're fostering or if you parented a child who does have complex trauma or who's had experienced developmental um trauma. yeah Yeah, so working through that. yeah Oh, okay, good. Yeah.
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and I've known people who've been adopted and then the parents and then there are just, yeah, there's stories about the children who've been adopted that they don't really know necessarily. And so ah it is trying to kind of, how do you heal with that or move forward with that and understand all that? So, okay, good. And a lot of my background, my therapeutic background is in working with children with disruptive behaviors. I did a lot of different ways.
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Oh, you did? Oh, I did.
Positive Changes Through Community-Based Therapy
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I love it. I don't know. It might say something that I might thrive in some of the chaos. But I loved it. And I love being in a community in this space where you can impact so much of the individual's life. So at the race and issues I've worked at, the school was on site. They lived on site. The parents came on site to do therapy. So I can be there. I can do observations. I can talk to the teachers. I can immediately kind of intervene if I'm looking at what you're eating or on the on the million or whatever. So, oh, I loved it. You're getting all kinds of information, school information, family interaction information, just how they are as a peer. Oh, I love it. I love it. That I get excited about. When you look at it that way, yes. You can do so much great work as opposed to like,
00:18:06
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love therapy was made it' hard about rest and you you're one experience or you're just telling it and it's like, no, I want to, I want to see when it looks like I want to see it. yeah that's why I like family therapy too. Oh, I love family therapy. Let me, let me see it play out. You can tell me, but I want y'all to talk to me. Oh, that's good. There's people. But it is interesting because as you know I work with individuals and so I hear this one piece and every once in a while I'll have like a partner or someone come in or I'll work with this sibling and I'm like oh this is interesting because this is not it's a totally different yes yes you get a lot more information when obviously when you have
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you know, the whole family in there. Oh, yes. I love it. So you like I do. I like a challenge. I like a challenge. And I think with those like certain populations or issues, oftentimes families that come to you like sometimes it's a point of like the distress. Like we've tried to X, Y, Z or all this is going on or like the behaviors are at a 10 and it's also nice to say like, okay, work with them.
00:19:22
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and create a piece or a change that I think can be, I'm trying to say like easily seen as well. Like individual work is great too. And there's times where it might take a while to work through some things. But if I'm doing like family work, behavior work, and we can start enact some changes that you're not just doing in the room, but now you can take all of that and do it home and you might be more likely to do it home. And then we can start to see changes yeah a little bit sooner. you know I think it's putting that understanding but around the behaviors and the reactions. Like and if I know more of where that's coming from or that when my parent or whoever says this and I react in this really gives that information that
00:20:05
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really makes it that you can actually see it and change it. And I feel like with therapy, and i and I say this too, also thinking of like, maybe some of the arguments I might have with my partner, but to be able to say like, okay, we can talk about this after the fact, but in the moment, and we're able to have someone say like,
00:20:21
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All right, pause. What happened in that moment? Like, what were the emotions you What did that remind you of? Or let's talk about the triggers. Or how did it just like, ah, it can be so powerful instead of talking about it later. Yeah, in that moment when they're feeling it, and then they can really connect it to. You can connect the dots, yep, yep, yep. And then you can see,
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there's certain like things that might seem small or they might not even notice. Like, oh, I noticed they leaned over or they went like this, or they, you know, that means something. So it's like when you pause and then say, look at that.
00:20:54
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and in the And in the moment, like I know what I'm having an argument, like I might not always be attuned to those things. I'm gonna have someone else say like, okay, this is what I'm saying. What do you think about that? I said, oh, I guess I did. Yeah, I am feeling, I feel like we was like, yes, now we can do something about that. Yeah, so yeah, it helps the individual who's experiencing that moment and the family member, whomever intended to go, oh, and then they have a better understanding of This is what you do. it yeah or oh I didn't realize that that was a preventative or a protective measure. and So yeah, it builds that empathy. And I like the piece too of quick quicker or more instant result because I think with individual therapy, other family members who aren't in the room,
00:21:44
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don't know all the things that are going on in their mind or what we're working on and what they might actually be trying to do. yeah if It isn't as visual outside, but in family therapy or couples, it's like, oh, okay, so I see you're going to do this, and you're going to do this, and maybe you two work together, and they can each see the changes, and and that's more gratifying, yes right? And we have a tendency to Keep doing it. see Did you see the changes? Yeah. It's like, oh, I noticed my child had less outbursts this week, or I noticed that they were really using their coping skills. And then, you know, the child gets that praise and that recognition, and the parent's like, okay, I guess this is working, but now the parents will always feel like they're working. Right. And then we have more buy-in, and then we'll miss the word, and I guess it's working, and I feel like that that can make a difference. Well, yeah, because you're changing the cycle of negativity, reinforcing negativity, and positivity, reinforcing positivity. So, yeah. Well, and with family, if it's with a kid, like, if a kiddo goes to therapy by themselves, right? And it's like, they're seen as the problem that the parents aren't doing anymore. And it doesn't really change. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, because a kiddo doesn't necessarily have the power to kind of change their parents. yeah so And if they do have that kind of power,
00:23:10
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yeah yeah um me make me what oh my That's right, you were supposed to take a little pause and only focus on administrative.
Balancing Administrative and Clinical Work
00:23:25
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I I need to find, I do as an entrepreneur. that I'm telling this for myself. okay need to find a better balance between the administrative work which needs to happen and also the clinical work that I just love love doing. yeah
00:23:43
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Yeah, that is hard. Making sure I'm not like spending all my time at work on one or the other. Yeah, you can get sucked in easily. Mm-hmm. So until I find that balance, I'm just going to take a pause for therapy. And we're having is that a new clients, yeah. OK. So you've got clients currently. Yeah, it's not. OK. Yeah, I have so current clients, we still need new clients. Don't say that exactly. I'm like, what is this news, girl?
00:24:11
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Maybe next week. And then also accepting assessment clients. Okay. Oh, so you're still doing assessments? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. Now, remind me. Mm-hmm. Because there's the psycho... Psychometrist? Psychometrist? The psycho... Sorry, psychometrist. They do assessments? Uh-huh. Okay. So you're not the only one doing the assessments? Yes. Now, which is new. Okay. So as we continue to expand, recognizing that I... just cannot do all the assessments. So yeah, so they assist with those as well. Okay. I'm just trying to think of your balance. I know, which is that has tremendously helped my balance for sure, for sure. So, but my issue is like,
00:24:55
Speaker
Once they start to say lots of like, well, maybe I can add in five more clients. Like, no way. There's a reason. There's a reason. Let's remove some of the stuff around you can have one. Have you always wanted to be a therapist? You know, I am one of those people who took AP Psychology and decided right then and there I was going to be a psychologist and That was it? that was College or high school? High school, yes yeah. High school, yeah. So I went in, I was undergrad, I was like, I'm doing psychology, I'm going to grad school. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so I had no change of plans there. So. know That was it, yeah. so One of the teachers, I was just like, you're nice. You must have liked your teacher.
00:25:47
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No. I mean, the fact that I can't recall, sorry, teacher, so maybe, but I do remember I've always been a, you know, assistive child. I've always been a bit of an impact. And I think sitting in the class and recognizing like, okay, this will give me a way to get help people when I can serve and I can make a difference. It just, it just makes sense to me. I was like, oh, yeah.
00:26:16
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I'm going to do that if there was no more. yeah no we're off justie I know because it's kind of like, I mean, this job is so unique. And then I think about like, what in the world would I have done? What else would I have done? Or I can sit around. set around One, I do like to sit around and just have conversations with people and and get to know them and like those intricacies and kind of figure out like ways to problem solve or understand or connect. I love it. I do too. I do enjoy it. I love it. yes As we all reflect. I know. And I think that helps too because
00:27:02
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Jobs are hard. They are hard, yes. But I think compared to you, it's nice to be in a field where you love what you do because a job is going to be hard regardless. But it's like, okay, I'm passionate about this. This is how I'm making a difference. I love it. It makes it so much easier to just show up in and do it. Yeah, yeah it's good.
00:27:26
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Well, I'm thinking about finding
Personalized Healing and Holistic Well-being
00:27:28
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the balance. And so another piece that we like to talk to our guests about is healing, just in general. So when you define healing for clients and when you define healing for yourself, like how, what does that look like? Ooh. Well.
00:27:44
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I feel that it could look like a lot of different ways. So I know in like my intake process, I love to sit with the client and figure out what that looks like for them and really um really operationalize those goals. So like what's the goal and how do we know that we've accomplished that? Because some people could just be, I just want to be more yourre open or vocal about my emotions. Okay, that's the only thing you, right or I want to overcome um some of the negative thoughts or feelings I have about this thing that happens to be in the past that could be healing. Um, so I think it really, it really is defined by the person. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Specialized to, yeah, let that person want to work on. Yeah. And then personally for you. yeah got ah I a lot of time thinking on on what I want to do or what could be most
00:28:38
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healing for me in that sense. So have what would I say for this stage of my life? okay I am in this stage where I certainly have been focused more on like my physical health. I feel like in the past, I focus a lot on mental, emotional, you know, done therapy, take you to do therapy. I'll be back there. Yes. But I feel like especially i understand like the how physical and emotional and all those things interact like
00:29:14
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I'm not, I've never been to the sleeper. Um, so trying to really work on like, my goal is to get more than six hours of sleep. Okay. And I, my goal is to wake up in the morning and not feel like I got no sleep at all. So, um, I could really focus on, and on those things and really trying to make those small changes so that I just feel better physically. yeah So yeah, that's my focus. I like that you brought in the physical piece of healing because you know, or therapist. So we mostly talk about mental and emotional healing. And yet, yes, I mean, I know I work with my clients on their physical like, what are you doing to take care of your physical because there is so much interactions as, you know, vitamin D and magnesium. And like, what are we missing? Because if we're missing something just as simple as taking a vitamin D supplement that we like with our fatigue. But
00:30:09
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But yeah, the physical piece is also important for healing because even people who might have, you know, a physical illness of diabetes or a heart condition, that's also part of healing, right? To kind of, yeah, I'm glad you brought that up.
00:30:24
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Like you said earlier, like at as healers, I know I spend a lot of time focused on on my clients and what they want to do to feel better. And sometimes I have to take a step back and say, okay, but what do you need to do to feel better? Because you can't keep working if you're not feeling 90%.
00:30:44
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and thinking of that as, okay, you really need to focus on your physical health.
Physical Health and Wellness Connection
00:30:48
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So I've been working a lot with like my um physician. I started staying in herbalist, just making sure like those vitamins and all those things into play are in place as well as like, is there a supplement that I could take, I could help improve these areas as well. So yeah, yeah it's so interesting. It's important. Yeah. And learning so much. Yeah. yeah yeah yeah Oh, good. So yes. So healing, um,
00:31:14
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Okay, so you're focused on your physical. I am. And do we want to talk about, I mean, are I guess with my healing and physical, um as you can see, we have not thought about, you know, we're off the cuff here.
00:31:32
Speaker
But I guess like physical healing, and So I'm currently in perimenopause. And so that affects so much with my mental. As my husband is aware, I'm sorry. I'm so moody. But there is like, it just interplays. And so right now, that's part of my focus of healing is trying to figure out how can I regulate? Can I give my body what it's missing right now? And then also being kind with my moodiness. yes yeah yeah yeah yeah I would say I'm i'm also trying to find new ways of feeling is for
Adult ADHD: Diagnosis and Impact
00:32:10
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myself.
00:32:10
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Um, I, you know, I can dive into more of just kind of mental stuff and, um, getting a diagnosis and things so i i think that medication helps me likes also, like all of these different things that we're learning about is learning about breath work and learning about sound ba and like all of these other options and like somatic. Yeah. So I'm really into wanting to learn more about those and because I can see how Um, top therapy has a space and sometimes top therapy, you can maneuver that the way you need it to the right. So incorporating something else in there can actually open up some other, for sure. And I think it's, that's what I'm loving this path and these other options, but I also like really thinking in like,
00:33:00
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What is my goal? What do I need? How do I get there? Yeah, that is specific to each person. Yeah, for sure. oh yeah Just like you were saying, it's specific for the client and what their goal is. And and I also like when you were looking at where you are in your life. And that piece too is, yeah, that's something to think about when you're healing. And it's a continual thing. We're always kind of healing. Yes. You know, where we're always kind of wanting to improve or keep going. and You know, yeah hopefully. Yeah, yeah. yeah that's yeah
00:33:35
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yeah yeah so affectionately okay Feel free to tell me know because it's a personal question. but the The clinical psychologist today wants to know how this um ah adult diagnosis of ADHD has been helpful.
00:33:49
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no when And that there were so many things that I just didn't know or didn't realize that were like related with ADHD. And I think Amy probably told me for years, like, also like adult. Probably around and COVID time. I'm like figuring this out. And it's like, now we can, and well, I think it was like Instagram almost helped me. All the people posting the video, I'm like,
00:34:19
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so ah that and normals Oh, And ah so I think, of and then us noticing, we, we ah our mom has ADHD, and I was just like noticing different things of like,
00:34:41
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um but So like so the medication has really helped me because I also have those swings where I'll react really quickly to an emotion. um And as a parent, it's really hard. And so the medication has helped me slow down with my reactions.
00:35:00
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um I'm still working on that, but science yeah, it's also helped me focus. The first day I even took it, I'll just share this, I went to a coffee shop and I sat down and I read an entire article or from start to finish. And at the end, I was like,
00:35:18
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I've never done that before. I've never been able to sit down and focus on an article on it. I've always just skipped. So I was like, how did I even get through college? I know. So I hope that answers your question. Yes, it does. Thank you. I appreciate you explaining that because like being the person who might give a diagnosis to an adult, um um You know, my friends are on information and then we'll talk about what that means in the moment. I like hearing what that, how it plays out can be really helpful. And I also feel like I often get ah the question as like, as an adult, why would I want to invest the time and the money to get a formal diagnosis on this farm? Yeah, on this farm. So I think, you know, this office shows that it could be really, really helpful to have a formal diagnosis and then that can inform
00:36:10
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that yeah be super beneficial for you yeah yeah yeah thank you And to add on to Catherine, in that my late diagnosis, I think part of the reason why I waited so long was like, I have made it this far. What is the point, yeah right? um But once I had it, I was able to kind of reflect back and be kinder to myself, like forgive my, because my teenage years and my twenties were impulsive and dangerous on some decisions and it just kind of allowed me to be like you know what you had a lot more going on that you didn't realize so it allowed me to kind of forgive that yeah wild child that i was so it helps with that too so there's lots of reasons to i
00:37:01
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ah great but yeah i think Like you said, as and as an adult, people might say, like well, you know i'm X, Y, and Z age, why do I need it now? um And I also get people who are like, I'm X, Y, Z age, and I've always felt that things have been harder for me or things have been different. And now that I'm older, I just really want to know yeah what's going on. If there's something going on, and that could be very validating. Yeah, yeah it's very validating in my movie experience. I'm glad to hear that. yeah So, good work. It is. It is. I mean, I love it. I know. It's good. Awesome. Awesome. And then we talk about glimmers. Yeah. That's
Moments of Joy and Fulfillment
00:37:41
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what we say. Another piece of this is yeah talking about glimmers, a recent glimmer in your life, those moments where you can pause and just look at everything. And it's like, this is just a really nice, warm moment. Okay. Okay. See, back to meeting my sister. I'm about to cry. Oh, yay.
00:38:03
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yeah we're on
00:38:06
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i love Okay, so two things came to mind, a business one and a personal one, which I'll share if that's okay with you. Yes, please. Thank you. um So like I said, we've had interns come in, the employees come in, et cetera. so on Monday it had to be a 2-3, days are hard. But sometimes earlier in the week, we had new employees start and we had leadership meetings and all these things. But I would remember standing there and looking at like the full office suite and the people moving around and laughing with one another and whatever. And it just made me feel so happy to be like, wow, I can't believe healing spaces has gone from me or me and one employee to like
00:38:47
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a group of people who are like making a difference. I feel like love to me. And it's just, I don't know. It just makes me feel very happy because I think. And you did that. You created that space. Thank you. It's just, I don't know. A lot of owning a business, as you all know, is very hard. A lot of sacrifices. A lot of sacrifices. So it's nice to see like, wow,
00:39:16
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Get paid off. You're doing it. And also knowing that like, one thing that they're... See, that is... I know we don't have time! But it's like, also I've been thinking a lot about how it was you doing everything. They were on me all the time and like, you're not... You don't have to be that thing yourself, but I'm just so used to like doing it all. So that was the moment where I was like,
00:39:45
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Wow. my heart yeah yeah that the yeah i don't know so that was the the business one that we And then also personally, I have a three rambunctious, smart, wonderful three-year-old who always brings me brings me joy. But yesterday when I was working in the office a little later than I should have. My husband FaceTimed me and she was she kept saying like, look mommy, I'm a toy. And it was like free. And we were like, this thing? It's just so amazing to see her like grow and be funny and curious and all these things. But it was just so hilarious. that She was like, look mom, I'm a toy.
00:40:30
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And that's when I went, I'm packing up. I'm coming up. And I was like, this is great. And this is totally for nothing, but yeah, it's so nice to see her. I think she used the best shot ever, her but was of course you know Yeah, about. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah. I love that. So those are my two. Thank you for letting me share. Oh, thank you for sharing. I know, too. I love it. I can
Passion and Mindfulness in Professional Life
00:40:54
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go ahead. sharing A glimmer for me recently is it also includes my daughter. hu uh is we've started this is only a our second today will be our third but like we started journaling in the so like i love that yeah so she for some reason and loves little notebooks and so she has like this bin of notebooks um i was like oh we should start writing what if we started writing in our journal and she was like okay and i'm like are you a journal? so for a few nights now we've
00:41:28
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Right before bed, we'll get out our special pen, whichever pen we like at that night. We write about our day together and sometimes we share and sometimes we don't. And just sitting with her, it's but it was nice to be like, oh, I like sitting here and doing this. That's a good one. I'll share a child one as well. So Thomas is my 10 year old.
00:41:53
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11-year-old. You probably watch a lot. I don't know. Yeah, I'm sure. 11-year-old. And so um I am a slightly helicopter-ish parent. I don't know what you're talking about. Yes, I'm sorry. Really hard not to be. And so last night, it was almost, like I was talking about this earlier, 9 o'clock, and he wanted to go ride his bike.
00:42:22
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Because he really enjoys riding his bike. And I'm like, oh, it's not dark yet. And he has his lights. And I was like, OK. And so I let him go. And so for me, I was proud of myself and a little glimmer that I was able to release. And then also to see him come back and to see me how animated he was yeah about his ride and to tell me about it. um Yeah, that was a little glimmer to see that. So, yes.
00:42:56
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Oh, look, there's the glimmers for the day. And then we have our fun. The last pee. Oh, Oh, OK. Cheers. So we have questions on here. OK. And you just pick one, and then all three of us just kind of throw it an answer to the question. Yes. We have no idea. We have no idea what the question is. I know. Why is this the most anxious part of the movie? Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, yes, yes, yes.
00:43:25
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All right.
00:43:36
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o If we were to work with you, what are three things we might notice about your work? Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, that's a good one. What's about your work?
00:43:50
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Okay, I think the first thing you would notice is that I am a passionate it this is what i like to kind individual.
00:44:01
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um don know i do I love people yeah and I get very excited. like So, I don't use passion. Yes, yes, yes. Sometimes I got to ton it down sometimes, because I'm like, they hook cho choke of just foods like okay, Okay. Passionate it comes to mind, too. When I first read this, I thought of evaluations. Okay. This, you know, some people, I do get the process, sometimes, totally get that. My assessment is, though,
00:44:34
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fire. I'm very proud. That report will be the best 20 pages you read. oh you oh i i like why you like love Let me rephrase. Report writing is the worst.
00:44:52
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But I like I invest in that summary and interpretation. Yeah, and I am super like I just want to be the most helpful thing that someone's going to read. Yeah. Well, and on the other side of that, I remember reading mine and just being like, yes, yeah, it's impactful. yeah Yeah, I love it. i Here. tear talk to Okay, so passionate. I don't even know what to say, but Which is excellent. i'm like ah or i exploit my yeah
00:45:25
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um And then the other three things that's one my word um but for I think that I've gotten a lot of comments about efficiency. Oh, yeah, yeah. So I tend to do things a little more efficiently than others. My wish is probably why I take on a lot because I'm like, I want to get it done.
00:45:55
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Yes, which could be a problem, right? Just because you could do it in less time does not mean you didn't add on worse. Right. Exactly. But yes, yes, the vicious Seattle search. Okay. That was a hard question. I know. You wanted the three-parter. Great. I don't know which one. I know. Okay, notice about my... What is your... Enjoy this.
00:46:22
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that I do bring in the physical. I will talk about your sleep patterns, and movements, and if you're eating, right? Those types of things and supplements. yeah talk about that it's good um That mindfulness is typically a part of. And then what else that you might notice?
00:46:48
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I'm not sure. I'm trying to think of when I'm in the space in session with someone, what are some of the things like, I don't know, silly goofy things that I might do. I mean, I have a swivel chair, so I move in my chair a lot. That might be something you notice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:18
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Initially, I was just picturing people coming to my office. And so I was just thinking of what person you would see would be me like smiling. Being a lovely presence of come in nice to meet you, those kinds of things. But something that I really pride myself on in my work is the neutrality piece for couples work. I really want them to feel safe in this space. And if you'll heard, I tell them if you feel like I'm siding with one over the other, tell me. I will change it. So that's a big piece that I feel is really important. one And I will interrupt you a lot if I need to. That's something else you would notice.
00:48:10
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And something that I kind of warned my clients about is that I have a mission to interrupt them not trying to be rude, not trying to be purposeful. So that's what I'd say. oh write your' smiling like yeah now lets ah partner ah we are at um know ah on the um yeah too are i
00:48:46
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piece is Do you have something
Engaging with Healing Spaces Online
00:48:48
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00:49:21
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00:49:50
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Find us for therapy services. Awesome. Thanks for coming. Thanks for having me. I know, I know. It's a little power. Yeah, I love it. And also, are nurses first. Oh, yeah. You guys are blimmers. Woo hoo. Thank
00:50:18
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that was ah and and no we turn it