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James Sicily's suspension stalemate, Jack Steele soldiers on, and escaping the 20K BermuDos Triangle with 4th OVERALL* ranked coach — Holmesy! | Round 13 AFL Fantasy #PODPOD
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What a week! In a challenging week for many AFL Fantasy coaches, our very own Holmesy went BANG, soaring him up the ranks to sit FOURTH OVERALL*!!!
* ...for the round.
The PODPOD crew investigate the James Sicily scenarios (now that he's appealing his three-match suspension), including who may benefit in his absence should he indeed cop a lengthy ban. There is plenty more to talk about, including whether playing fewer players on field is a viable option in the next two weeks — IF you're bringing in the right players!
Dossy ponders why he can't escape the top 20k ranks in a new conspiracy theory...
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Transcript
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Introduction & Episode Line-up
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G'day and welcome to the Pod Pod. It's your boy Dossi talking all things AFL fantasy on this Wednesday night, June 14th, 2023. Here as usual with the Pod Pod OJ, Louis, we've got two-time top 10 finisher, John Harmy and...
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on this episode.
Holmesy's Successful Round Review
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We actually have a very, very special guest. We have the fourth overall ranked coach for the round. Holmesy, mate. Welcome aboard, Holmesy. Good to have you on, mate. Special guest and actual good coach on the show.
00:00:53
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Yeah, I'm back baby. Let's do it. Huge round for the great man returning to greatness. Uh, Holmes, he walk us through the round, mate. Just, you know, give a bit of a monologue on this, on this round that was.
00:01:07
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Yeah, look, it started pretty well on Thursday night, although I did trade in Jack Steele, so that wasn't ideal, but Crouch being one of my lowly-owned premiums went bang, and then it didn't really stop from there. Everyone sort of just did their thing, so Butters went big, McRae went big, Briggsie, which I'm sure we'll get to, and yeah, it just turned out at the end of the round when all the scores were dropping off and the scores weren't really ticking over, I was still able to keep going. So yeah, very, very happy result from 21 players on ground.
00:01:37
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Yeah, it's the most active we've seen you in the group chat for quite some time. You're up and about, and it's great to see you rising up those ranks. So let's get obviously that score and your round rank update or sorry, your rank overall update as well.
00:01:54
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Yeah, so a 2163 in the end, which, yeah, I didn't score that most weeks when I had 22 playing. So that shows how well my team has gone before that. But yeah, the rank has come in about 4K spots on about 8.1 at the moment. So it's been trending in the positive direction for a while. I felt like my team was actually building quite nicely over the last few weeks, but
00:02:19
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You know, a JJ hammy on 40 and then a Darcy hammy on 30 meant that I was around par or just above. So I felt like I was moving in the right direction. And yeah, this was just one of those weeks where it all came together. So very happy. And fingers crossed on the next two weeks when the buyers really get hard, I can I can keep moving in the right direction.
00:02:38
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Yep, certainly having to book in those ton mid-strengths to head your way after a round like that. Oh yeah, another 200 points on you, Dossie Boy, so that's the most important stat of the week. Righto then, mate. Alright, let's get to our other two-time top ten finisher in Hami. We usually leave you to last, mate, but I'm just moving up the pecking order one here. How'd your round go?
Hami & Louis: Weekly Scores & Strategies
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Well, thanks, Dossie. Yeah, look, it went just OK, I'll probably say. I put up a score of 2007, which was about par because it only moved me up 100 spots. So yeah, not not quite what I wanted to do for the week. But and yeah, I was a bit disappointed. I don't think I got 100 points on you this week. So a bit below average probably. But I'm still happy enough with the week, mate. It was good fun.
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Now look, I don't think we should make that be part of our, part of our intro. It's becoming a common theme over the last month here, but Louis, take, take us through your round. Maybe leave out if you put a hundred on Dossy as well there.
00:03:39
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That was a pretty decent round, boys. Ended up scoring the 2009, so I just pipped Hami there, which brought me into rank 5,337. So a bit like last week, I tend to just sort of hold rank each week and either up or down 100 ranks. And I think the last couple of weeks, Hami and I have been pretty close. So maybe that's the main event for the rest of the year. Hold on. What did you say your rank was, Louis?
00:04:08
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Five thousand three hundred and eighty. So there is 50 rankings between us. I'm five three three seven ahead of you. So I'm 50 in front. How about that? Correct. And I think for the last three or four weeks, I've noticed that there's been about sort of 50 to 300 spots between us. So we're pretty tight there and just takes a good week to nudge ahead until this week. Holmes has been giving me a few DMs for the hot hot trade ins.
00:04:39
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He's back, isn't he? He's back on board. He's loving fantasy again. It's good to see him back up and about. Good to see those DMs came my way too. Didn't come my way, unfortunately. He knows not to give me that insight before I take those tonmities back off his hands. I'm only not 50 to 200 behind you guys, but I'm 15k or
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actually more like 18k behind you guys there so sitting down at 23,756 after a solid round of 1938 so look I'm gonna get into it a bit later but no matter what I do boys I just can't get inside that top 20k and Louie you were saying just some of your mates that are you know casual casual players down at the club they just waltz into a 15k rank without even checking their team every year so
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Look, I think there's been there's been a few of vaults into the top 100 too. So I don't know what to think. Hey, Dossie, why don't you get your cars? Papaski to run an algorithm to see how many teams are ahead of you that haven't traded this year. Geez, imagine that. All right. Well,
Awards and Critiques: McRae & Brayshaw
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we might have to contact the cars, but in the meantime, let's get into our Lux. You know, the Lux is mine from the start. Holmesy, you had a massive week. Who are you going to give the Lux to?
00:05:58
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Yeah, special mention to Briggsie, as Hami was saying off air, those coaches that were able to go Darcy to Briggs two weeks ago, bit of a very lucky move, but that's gone very well so far. But I'm just going to give it to Jack McRae. After all we went through to start the season, that's four tonnes on the trot now and four pretty big tonnes at that too. Forward status, he's repaying the faith and although he's not getting those centre bounces, it seems that he's really starting to nail down that half forward that pushes up into the midfield role.
00:06:28
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quite well. So Jack McRaeffer is 129. It's my Lux. It is great to see and I'm glad you're giving him the Lux after a pretty rough start to the season. Like you said, it's weird. He's kind of adjusted to that role and figured out a way to do the Jack McRaeve old in this new role. And I mean, we saw Bailey Smith in the same team do, you know, massive scores in a similar role last year as well. So we know it can be done. So hopefully he keeps it up. Hami, your Lux.
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Well, I would have gone Jack McRae as well, because what a great 40 years. He only attended one CBO, so he really is a forward these days. But look, I'll throw it to, I've got a lucky Neil, hey? He put up 124 points for me, which was pretty nice. And I actually traded Ashcroft to Neil. So I think that's already netted me 50 points more. So yeah, that was pretty good on debut.
00:07:23
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Lorded Ashcroft's score harm me, sorry mate. Mid 70s. Mid 70s, yep. Oh that's good that that's not burning it too much. He was one of the rookies that I was a little bit hesitant to trade just knowing that he can pump out those 120s but mid 70s will take for a lux for me guys. I've got Dunkley.
00:07:43
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And I just had to sort of tip the cap. I was just talking to you boys before the the podcast started recording and it was about round six and there was still plenty of coaches that were a bit dirty on Josh Dunkley. But he's he's brought his average up to one hundred and ten last five, one hundred and thirty and scored the what was it? One hundred and thirty four on the weekend as well. One hundred and forty five. Sorry. So yeah, just getting it done, Josh Dunkley. And yeah, massive tip of the cap and
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Ended up being or probably will be our F1 unless Team Taranto has got something to say for it
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Yeah, back in some ripping form and like you said, sort of nothing to worry about on the Josh Dunkley front. Matthew Johnson for me, I'm just giving it to the, to the, to the Rook there. Scoring 93 points on Dubu for Dossy's squad, you know, it's just been a struggle sometimes to pick the right rookies, but the fact that he's come out there and put up a 93 point score looked fantastic, you know, secured the role in there for the time being. I know we've still got
00:08:44
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O'Meara to come back in the side But even just to get that little bit of a sugar hit from a rookie like that and to know that the cash Jen's gonna continue Earns my lucks for the week time for our socks though Holmes you couldn't add too many mate in your socks
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Yeah, I was going to give one, but I think Louis is going to give it to this bloke, so I'll leave that. Look, it's very, very luxurious, but I'm actually going to give mine to Andy Brayshaw. He did ton up, but I think only a 13-point last quarter in a home game against Richmond when Richmond had been given up points. That 100, I would have hoped to have been a bit more of a ceiling score, so Andy Brayshaw, low ton, not ideal, but yeah, not the worst either.
00:09:27
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All right, Hami, have you got a name on the chopping block there for your sucks today? Plenty. I actually had a full squad on the weekend, so I had plenty of players drop off, but I didn't expect a Primo squad to drop away, which was Tom Green 73 points down in Hobart, Big Oval against North Melbourne. I mean, far out. That was disappointing. What about your other Primo, Hami, Jaden Hunt? Oh, yeah.
00:09:55
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Oh, he's not on my current list there, Holmesy. So I can't vote for him. Rage trade. Straight out Monday night, honey.
00:10:08
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A bit concerning as well. He might be out of the real side given that, you know, Tommy Cole four to five weeks away, boys, so he must be nervous. So big Tommy's going to come back in. Lou, sucks for the week. Yeah, so my sucks is Jack Steele with the 88. I've had him for a couple of weeks and just didn't look right. And last week's question to Neil or Steele was definitely Neil scoring the 124, but
00:10:34
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We hope that Jack Steele can bounce back. We know what he's done over a number of years, but even just glancing at my team now with Harmony mentioning who dropped off, I hadn't actually had a look yet and just noticing that Tim English and Jack Lloyd dropped off for me too, which is exactly what you want to be seeing, isn't it? Did you bring in Lloyd on this week as well? Yeah, I brought in Lloyd for the Saints matchup. Yeah, same.
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Very rough. I'll just give my sucks to James Sicily for knocking out my boy Hugh McClug, who was coming good. 81 points at the start of the third quarter and KO goes the club. A fantastic pick by me. He would have been.
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Alas, Sicily ending that run there. All right, I'm going to quickly, very quickly go through all our results from the Content Creators Cup from the weekend run by Guestie, sponsored by Infinite
Content Creators Cup & Listener League Updates
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Wealth. We're looking to get some money for charity at the end of this one, whoever gets the big W. Dossie making his charge toward finals and word on the street.
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A message got passed on to the Warnedogs by our man Bails. He was doing his Friday live show. Dossie passed on the message. Hey, Warnedog, you want a ton, cutting a ton on this week for the Content Creators Cup. Apparently it was accepted. I've got screenshot receipt. And so Dossie got up by 60 points. And I think the Warnedog might be sending me a ton cart in my way, which I can then forward on to Holmsey. And we might get that worldwide tour.
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of the tonne carton that Holmsey was after and talking about pre-show. So hopefully that gets your way. Some other wins in the Content Creators Cup. Lou managed to get a win over Stado. Let's have a look here as well. Holmsey obviously got the W over Xavier Ellis there. And Hami unfortunately did not play, got the DNP there. Check out the listener league results. We post them on Twitter.
00:12:40
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at Pod Pod AFL every week. Thanks to our man, Maddie, who posts the results there. Don't see a bounce back week there, I think, but Louie's guys there are just charging for a massive, massive win and still leading the overall ranks there. Our Pod Pod Challenge.
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Just an update, 23 coaches that are in the Pod Pod Challenger inside the top 100. That is an amazing scene. So congratulations to all the coaches out there. And if you are a listener and want to jump in that leg, hit on legs and just search the Pod Pod Challenge. Jump on in. 23 inside the top 100, including four in the top 10. Jono leading the way at sixth overall. Matt, seventh.
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Jared 9th and Robert 10th. So good luck for the charge through the buyers and hopefully you guys can keep rising. There's still so much pressure on us to give good advice. That's insane. Unbelievable. 23 in the top 100. If they do the opposite, they might win the hat.
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Impact of Sicily's Ban on Fantasy Teams
00:14:16
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Hot topics. Again, recording on a Wednesday from the public holiday on the King's birthday. Kyle, unfortunately, did not get that one, but we soldier on and luckily we get the news that James Sicily
00:14:32
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He got the three week ban, but news, late news right before we record is that the Hawks are going to take this to the AFL appeal board. And lads, there's a Monday hearing. So that's not ideal for, for coaches.
00:14:50
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Yeah, look, it's really not, unfortunately. Yeah, I think it's a trade regardless. You don't really want to risk carrying him through and really needing to trade him next week when you could have that extra premium on field this week. So, it is really unfortunate for owners, but it wouldn't actually surprise me if he gets off. But yeah, army.
00:15:09
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Do you guys reckon it benefits anybody? Let's say that the AFL spit it and say, yep, too bad, mate, three weeks. Do you reckon it benefits? Is there anybody going to get a bump? Like, is there like a scream shore or jump? Oh, I know you were going to say it. Maybe Will Day goes back or something like that. Like, do you see anybody getting a bump if he is missing three weeks?
00:15:33
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Seamus Mitchell, top six. What was, who took the Sicily role when he missed a week the other week? Did anybody take note of that one? That was the week they got absolutely pumped, wasn't it, by Port? So I don't think you can really take too much into it. Yeah, that might be cool. Although their second half definitely tightened up a bit. That might be one to go back and look at and just see if there's a trend beginning, just to see what the next three weeks might look like if he does get suspended.
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Yeah, that hurts for those that held him through that suspension the other week as well, doesn't it? Do you really want to be jumping on one of those type of players this time of year though, Hami, knowing that it's potentially a three-week play? Don't you really want to be getting up to a semi-completed side by this point in time, going as close to the top as you can?
00:16:19
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Yeah, well I've been sort of looking ahead a couple of weeks actually to think about what my team is looking like coming out of the buy because I'm not going to have a completed team but I'm sort of happy enough if I can if they're still going well to Looper Johnson and Wardlaw in my last midfield spot. So I've been trying to clear out all of the mid prices and I will have Bailey Humphrey in my forward line and I'll at the moment still have
00:16:50
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I'm thinking that there might be a couple, I might take a fling on a couple of mid prices like higher priced mid prices coming out because it'll be a point of difference from those coaches that are above me. So I'm looking at say Humphrey to your Harry Himmelberg types because I can't get to the top dogs.
00:17:09
Speaker
Yeah, it's possible that somebody in that price bracket, I actually do have a go out like Elliott Yeo, maybe like it's fear any to go via will day as DPP, something like that. So I'm probably looking the other way where I got on Sicily to start the season.
00:17:25
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I think I paid about 850k or whatever he was and he's currently up 90k I'd kind of like to cash in on that and being at 940k is only a stone's throw away from some of these uber uber premiums that we've been speaking about pretty much all season you know even Clayton Oliver is only 70k short of that which I know he's not playing at the moment but it just goes to show that there's value on his head and
00:17:49
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We should be thankful that he did score that 130 and didn't get injured or something halfway through the game. It's unfortunate he's missing three weeks, but for me, Sicily, I think I'm going up there or going somewhere sideways to keep that premium ticking over.
00:18:04
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Yeah, interestingly enough, I mean, sorry, part of me wants to ditch these mid prices now. I've been riding them the whole season up until now. And at some point I need to sell home and I don't feel like I'm getting anywhere with these guys price between 500 and 700 K, even though they are generating a bit of cash. Sometimes I feel like I'm being left behind.
00:18:24
Speaker
Yeah, and that's the point I was going to make. I really like the point that Harmony made in terms of potentially trying to loop that last M8 spot with Johnson and Wardlaw because the easy option would be to upgrade that last rookie spot in round 16 and get up to someone in that sort of low 600 sort of bracket.
00:18:44
Speaker
You know, I think we could we could kind of upgrade the mid prices and get them up to genuine uber premiums and then still just keep running that rookie at at MA until we can actually get them up to someone. I think that's a genuine play rather than I think you're right, Louie. I've been doing the same in terms of these Atkins and Farinis and I've even still got a Caldwell. I think I would much rather upgrade Caldwell to an absolute uber premium in round 16 rather than, you know, get a van ruin up to, you know, a yo or something like that, if that makes sense.
00:19:15
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Yeah, absolutely. It just feels like you're trading into what you almost already know. And it hasn't necessarily worked. Some have, but I think the majority have probably been just sort of on the on the fence there.
00:19:29
Speaker
All right. Well, I guess that got us into a bit of a sidetrack story and great strategy talk just based on that James Sicily. So, Injury Cloud, I guess. Back to your original point, Hami, I think some listeners want to know a bit about, you know, a Jarman Impi or something later on. So, we might look at him. He has been in fantastic form in the last three. But, yeah, obviously, I think two parties here, not keen to jump back on those
00:19:52
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those mid prices after trying to get them out pretty much all season so far. But let's get on to the next hot topic, which is Jack Steele. And something that we probably all suspected is that news came out.
Jack Steele's Injury Concerns
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Jack Steele is dealing with a bit of a knee injury at the moment and he's playing through it. They expect, well, I think he expects to be able to play this week against Richmond, but
00:20:15
Speaker
Gee, it's something that you could kind of tell with the eye if you're watching, harm me, that still just isn't quite right at the moment.
00:20:24
Speaker
I said last week on the part I was going to wait a week on steel and have a look because I did have a bit of a concern about that and it's kind of proven right based on the comments that have come out during the week. I think it was the club or a reporter. I'm sorry I can't remember but they said that he's had some soreness in his knee which I'm not surprised based on the way he played.
00:20:47
Speaker
You know what? For me, it has made me more keen on Brad Crouch. Sorry to say, Holmesy. But I had a look at him. His ownership is still low. He's coming in at a much cheaper price than what he started the year. And I think there's a good chance that he
00:21:07
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becomes the main go-to guy in the midfield. So that's what I'm sort of thinking. I've become more keen on him as the week progresses. So even more so than Sinclair. If you compare Sinclair and Crouch, I'm sort of leaning more towards Crouch at the moment.
00:21:23
Speaker
I'm just a just to clarify the news as well if you hadn't caught it so it's from the one that I'm saying that we've we've seen on Twitter is Zander McGuire from from 9 News Melbourne breaking Jack Steele has been playing through a knee issue in past weeks which has flared up in recent days he consulted doctors today about the best path forward he's still confident he'll play against Richmond on Saturday night so I guess that's just basically if you're
00:21:47
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Yeah, if you're an owner, don't target him. But I feel like if you are currently an owner, you've got to stay strong because he still managed to put up an OK score on the weekend despite having a pretty poor first half. And as his knee kind of gets more comfortable, you'd imagine you're just going to have to probably target him after that. Louis, would you agree with that?
00:22:07
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I think so. He's just about bottomed out so he's about 827k. I can't see him getting too much cheaper than that unless he absolutely drops just a stinker. I think if I were an owner and I am an owner I'd be holding waiting for it to turn around and a little bit like how harmian holmes he said looping that guy m8 with a ward law type. I think still if he can be your last sort of upgrade through the midfield hoping that he can turn it around suddenly you've got a pod that's the direction that I'd be taking.
00:22:37
Speaker
I don't reckon you'll be the last one in about two or three weeks time when Callum Mills comes back. Yeah well, there you go. Maybe that's even more reason to hold and hope it turns around.
00:22:47
Speaker
Last hot topic, and this one purely has to just be something to keep your eye on, is that just Anna Hay, seven news reporter in Perth, doc is midfielder Caleb Sorong has spent the second half of the session chatting to medics over in Perth's Frio's session, appears to be very bothered by his lower leg. He's left the track and is headed to the room. So that's just one of those things. Look, we see this happen sometimes and it's nothing, but just monitor if you're a Caleb Sorong owner or even if you're targeting him at the moment.
00:23:17
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might just have to be a wait and see. Moving on from hot topics and we want to get to our observation round table. Has anyone got anything they want to just throw around for discussion this episode, lads? Is there anything on your minds? Well, why don't we have a bit of a chat about the buys boy? So why don't you give us a little bit, Louie, how many players are you looking to have on field this week? So before trades, where are you sitting and what's your sort of plan on how many you get to? I know you haven't done the most prep, but
00:23:47
Speaker
Yeah, questions without notice. Last week, when I looked at it last before last week's trades, I think I was looking at about 19 on field that I could get before team sheets. I think my next round, round 15, which I believe a lot of coaches could struggle in, I was at 17.
00:24:09
Speaker
This week's going to be a bit of a balance. It's about finding that middle ground between setting myself up this week, not stitching myself up in round 15 and also being able to launch straight out of those buys into into a better team than what I started with. So it's all about management.
Buy Round Strategies & Considerations
00:24:26
Speaker
It's about seeing which players potentially you could cull. We were talking about Ashcroft before he was one.
00:24:33
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that had a bit of cash on his head, we could take him down. I'm sure those that used Atkins last week would be happy for it, especially if they trade into Niels. Yeah, it's just that proper planning, isn't it, Hobsy? Yeah. Hami, how are you looking? I'm looking really good this week. Yeah, so I've got plenty of players this week, but next week is a little bit of an issue with my team, which I'll just talk a little bit more about, but I was a bit bummed to hear
00:25:02
Speaker
O'Shean Mullen, he's not getting a game this week because I brought him in a couple of weeks ago and I've still got Harry Sharp so Yeah, unless he comes in for Dossie's mate He's not looking likely to get a game. So, you know, look I've got plenty of numbers this week, Holmsey, but I've just been sort of tossing up this week weather
00:25:25
Speaker
I sideways trade a premium, which I don't really want to do, but I'll reel these off for you for next week. Lucky Whitfield. I'm probably just going to be fine with him in my back line. All good. My midfield, Tom Green, Jack McRae, Connor Rose, Ward Law. Okay. So a few there. Tim English.
00:25:46
Speaker
in my rockline, forwards, taranto and zach butters so i've got a heap of premiums that i don't really want to trade out next week so i'm just a little bit uncertain whether i'm happy to sit all those out next week or whether i'm tempted to sideways trade one to get an extra player but
00:26:07
Speaker
Green's an interesting one, isn't he? He's averaging 98 his last three, 98 his last five. Obviously started the season like a house on fire, made plenty of coaches, lots of money, end points, showed a ceiling.
00:26:25
Speaker
And even the last couple of weeks, it's probably a bit unfair to say, oh, the last three, the last five, when really he put up a 73 and prior to that, he's had three tons. But when you're looking at Tom Green's ownership at 39% and keeping in mind that fantasy is starting to sway more towards not having the pod and going against the popular players in some aspects, I'm almost looking at, yeah, moving on a Tom Green. And if I can bank somebody who
00:26:53
Speaker
Playing the fixtures might be able to pop near 130. Neil comes to mind last week and potentially again this week is under priced. That's probably something I'd be looking at if I was tight around 15. Obviously, I'm not advocating for Tom Green to get traded, but he's one of those guys you can get creative with.
00:27:12
Speaker
Yeah. And I was tempted by that because I looked at him and I thought, well, if I sideways traded him to Brad Crouch, I'm going to make a hundred thousand and they'll probably score similarly for at least in the short term. So, and bank some cash the next week. So, yeah, I was thinking about that one. Hmm. Interesting scenes. I don't think you want to know how I'm shaping up HomeZee, but how are you shaping up Make for this week?
00:27:37
Speaker
Yeah, so I'm 17 pre-trades and this is what I kind of wanted to throw around the group because in the past I've kind of got into a little bit of trouble where I've kind of traded in the bias for the sake of trading in the bias to get extra numbers. And it's really important that
00:27:54
Speaker
during the buys that you still are trading in a way that's gonna set your team up better from round 16 onwards. So the dilemma that I'm kind of going with this week is that I could trade, my two trades are essentially locked at this point, but I could either go Atkins up to Sinclair, which doesn't get me an extra player on field because Atkins is playing this week, but it's clearly gonna be a better long-term play for my side
00:28:20
Speaker
or do I trade will day this week to get up to Sinclair, have extra cash for next week, but have an extra body on the ground this week. So 20 instead of 19. So in theory, that works a little bit better. But if you do that and then at can score drops off anyway, because he's one of your poorer scorers, then
00:28:37
Speaker
You know, you've got the extra body. You haven't set your team up better in the future. And then that scores just dropped off anyway. So that's where I'm kind of the little dilemma this week. And that I'm sure there's plenty of other coaches out there as well that are, you know, do they, do they make the trades to get extra bodies on field this week or do they cop the, the one shorter on field, but, but make their team better for the, for the rounds moving forward? Yeah. Sorry. I've got 21 this week. Just doing the maths now.
00:29:06
Speaker
I'm okay with having a less volume of players as long as, and you've got more primos, as long as they all play and all score well, because I kind of, what you're saying is what has occurred for me this week, because I had heaps of players, a full squad, yet I didn't really score that well, and I dropped off a heap of between 70 and 60 sort of scoring players. So as long as they're primos, I'm okay with it, Holmesy.
00:29:33
Speaker
Sinclair is probably a good in from Atkins, from what you said. Yeah, 100% agree. And even if you've got rookies out there like myself, with the Miller Bergman who drops a 10, you're definitely better off just having those primos on field. Yeah, I think that's a great, great, worthy discussion. You have a lot of these mid prices that tend to put up these sort of middling scores. And yeah, are you just better off going with a big dog? I guess it all depends on that big dog. What would you need from a Sinclair? Holmes, you'd be happy. That's the problem.
00:30:02
Speaker
Well, no, that's the thing, Dos, is that Sinclair's coming in regardless. It's just, do I get Sinclair from Atkins this week and only have 19 on field, or do I get Sinclair from Will Day and then have 20 on field, but then I don't have Will Day next week and I'm still stuck with Atkins, if that makes sense. So it's, do you get the extra body on field this week, or do you just play one less?
00:30:24
Speaker
take a little bit more of a risk knowing that you might have to play, you know, have an extra rookie that's in your score, but your team's better moving forward. Because I've got Wheel Day next week, and then I'll still have Wheel Day come round 16, who's gonna be clearly closer to the top six than an Atkins will. Even though Atkins could still go next week anyway.
00:30:42
Speaker
I just think in your position, Holmes, you might as well risk it and go for it, go for the score. But I do recall one year, like you never know, you always get a random one that pops well. I remember in the buy period, I can't remember, I think it was 2019, and I brought in Griffin Logan, he hit over 100 as a rookie. So yeah, maybe there is some safety in having a greater number of playing players too.
00:31:11
Speaker
All right, just to wrap up this discussion, I had a very quick roundtable discussion for me. And it's a return of a segment that's beloved in this, the Pod Pod community. It's been around for a couple of years now. It is a Dossie's Dilemma. Guys, I just want to know.
00:31:32
Speaker
I've been talking about it for a couple of weeks and it's really starting to bother me now. How the hell do I get inside the top 20K? It's a purgatory out there. It's the Bermuda Triangle. I swear they fix the algorithm that I can't actually get inside there, regardless of what I do to my team, Holmsey. I just want to rattle off a few names quickly before you make your rebuttal, which is probably going to paid us. The last week I picked up
00:32:01
Speaker
Darcy Cameron perfect timing picked up Brizzy perfect timing I got in old mate Hobsy at a beautiful time as well I'm getting these guys at the right time and I can't get inside the top 20k it's embarrassing for me like
00:32:18
Speaker
What do I need to do, Honezy? Help me. Mr. Number 4. We can probably go back, Dossie. I can pinpoint a time in the season. I can't remember what defensive premium it was. I think it was Doketty. Doketty goes down and you come into the group and you go, boys, what do I do with Doketty? And four of us said, Dossie, go to a premium and then fix up elsewhere. And you went, all right, all right, all right.
00:32:45
Speaker
And then five minutes before lockout you go, nah boys, I've seen it. In comes Trent Rivers and Jack Bose. And then that was to add on to the other 73 mid prices you had in your team already. Agree?
00:33:01
Speaker
Yes, it was the moment, but I like it. What if 15 trades can't make up one blunder? Like, I mean, come on. Look, I feel like the app needs to do me a favor. Unlock me. I feel like I've been put in some little box between 20 and 25 K and they're not letting me out. Um, so please update my rank and get me back rub along at the top. So that's Dossie's dilemma.
00:33:23
Speaker
Fix that for me. OK, we're going to really quickly go through some targets coming off there by it's just Geelong and Gold Coast. So, Hami, you've offered to give us our three best targets from Geelong if you are so inclined to pick a cat this week.
Post-Buy Player Targets: Geelong & Gold Coast
00:33:38
Speaker
I will just throw a flyer out there, Dossie, which Holmes just touched on.
00:33:46
Speaker
If we're looking at a cheap one and he's named and he's coming back and looking good, Jack Bose. Yeah. Well done. I'll stop you there, but teams are out and he's in the emergency list. So no good. I'll entertain it because he is cheap. Um, is it based on anything other than what we know Jack Bose has done in the past?
00:34:13
Speaker
Yeah, it's irrelevant though, because he's not named this week. But Duncan is back. Duncan's named Danger. Danger's back, yep. Sorry, can you say who came in there, Holmesy? Holmes, Duncan and Danger are all back for Geelong.
00:34:27
Speaker
Okay well that hurts the chances of my number three that I was having a look at here and that's Tanner Bruin so he probably loses his CBA role and he continues with his low time on ground but it's now low time on ground as a forward so I'll push him to the side and I'll go to the two that I would be more serious about. I think that
00:34:47
Speaker
a fair chunk of the competition would already have Tom Stewart. You were now paying a fairly premium price for him where the majority of us probably paid mid 80s and he's now probably a mid 90 price point. So he's probably been my number two because he doesn't present as much value as some of them, but does have a lot of games at home to come and he's the linchpin in their backline. So he's probably number two.
00:35:19
Speaker
And then the number one that I would consider, and I guess probably am considering to some extent at the moment in my trade plans, is Mitch Duncan. So we're talking about a guy who's hit some pretty lofty heights in the past. 120,000 down for the season, has a high ceiling, will have a good roll. So they wouldn't play him. I mean, he's been sitting out a few weeks now. They wouldn't play him unless he was
00:35:44
Speaker
Cherry Riper don't reckon at his age, so I got a good feeling about him at the moment, so he's probably one I'm considering at the moment. 250K from Sick Dog to Duncan, if anyone wants to take a part. I thought you couldn't go down, Louis. Couldn't go down, have to get the top dogs. You brought up such a fantastic option that I hadn't considered, mate.
00:36:09
Speaker
No, but I like Duncan. I think being from Geelong, they're a team that are certainly trying to get their best team, playing their best football going into the finals. And Duncan's a massive part of that, as we saw last year. So I won't be surprised to see Duncan and a bunch of the Geelong boys all improve their average after their buy and come home strong, because as we saw last year, that's sort of how they try to plan things for the Premiership tilt.
00:36:37
Speaker
I'm just going to provide the top three options from a Gold Coast, number one Braden... No, I'm just kidding. We'll go with Mattie Rael at number one. I honestly think Matt Rael and Noah Anderson, one and two, you could probably switch and change whichever way you think they are going to go. But look, I think they're only legitimately the only two options you can kind of look at.
00:36:59
Speaker
Just nobody else really excites me too much. Do you guys see, took Miller, took Miller's not going to return. Apparently the last I saw round, like four rounds to go or something, four to six rounds to go. So, wow. It wasn't after the boy. Well, I saw an article saying, yeah, he's targeting a return with like four rounds left in the season. So he's still TBC on the, on the injury.
00:37:21
Speaker
Report was like walking or jogging laps the other day, but that's as bad as I think he's still quite some way across So, you know Raoul and Anderson now that they're outside of Darwin You can probably catch a mark or two out of there. So they're probably the two main guys. I actually think
00:37:36
Speaker
To be honest, I think owners that have held the likes of Atkins, if named, and Feoreni are going to be relieved with a bit better a score this week versus Carlton in somewhere where they can actually take a mark due to those non-slippery conditions. But in third, I put a roughy, a buzz pick.
00:37:53
Speaker
If Sam Flanders manages to finally get a roll change post-buy, he has been just doing worldly things, other worldly things in the VFL and look at his cheap price. He could be a guy that we do see pop a roll change if they finally decide to put him in his inside midfield position. Look, we saw Sheldrick get a go inside this week. Perhaps some miracles can happen as well over in a Jews Gold Coast land.
00:38:17
Speaker
Onto our Pod Pod Twitter questions. You can follow us at Pod Pod AFL and get your requests in. We chuck that out the day of or the day before and we've got lots of requests as usual. Let's talk about everyone's favorite player on the show. Holmes is especially Brad Crouch. I want your thoughts, Louis, on Brad Crouch as a target.
00:38:37
Speaker
I think Harvey summed him up well. We know what he can do. He's a 105 guy in form and while Jack steals down, I'm pretty confident he's going to be a 105 guy still. So on the way to finals, I think he's going to come into some good form and he might be a good option for those looking for a point of difference. Lockie Neal, Lou, I know you've got to go very shortly, so I might get your opinion also on a Lockie Neal.
00:39:03
Speaker
Underpriced. And like I keep saying, I've said it about three times in a row now, these teams that are getting ready for finals will start playing better football. And as we see, the scores improve as the season goes on as well and it gets a bit heavier out there. Jack Sinclair. Harmony, are you as excited as other coaches? Looks like he's one of the most traded in players this week.
00:39:25
Speaker
Well, I'm not as excited because I traded in Lloyd ahead of him last week and then he outscored me by 30 points and I should have gone for him, but I think he's a really good trade in this week if you need a defender. Now that he's named Mitch Duncan, Holmes, he looked like Lou said he's 200k down from a Sicily, but do you like him as an option for anyone looking for, you know, a mid price potentially under price premium?
00:39:52
Speaker
Yeah, I might not be the one to ask here after I had him for most of last year when most of the coaches on this podcast didn't. So maybe a little bit of a salty taste in my mouth. He's not someone that I'd be targeting if I was at the pointy end of the ranking. So if I'm in the top, you know, pushing for a hat and that kind of stuff and your team values in a very good spot, I'm not sure he's one I'd take a punt on. But yeah, for coaches like us that are back in the thousand
00:40:15
Speaker
ranks and we do need to take a little bit of a haircut as as Hami pointed out before he's got a pedigree like no other, a ceiling like no other and I think you're right with Geelong really needing to play good footy coming into finals there they just need to have their best team on the park and Mitch Duncan will be a big part of that so he's
Analyzing Player Potentials: Fife, Robertson, Himmelberg
00:40:33
Speaker
definitely under priced for what he can do but the injury risk is always going to be there.
00:40:38
Speaker
All right, I want to talk about Nat Fife really quickly. He's been requested quite a bit from the listeners. $449,000, down 200K on last year, and a popular target. I think there's plenty of people targeting him this week. Coming off his best score of the season with 83 points, laying some tackles in there, seven tackles, 17 touches against Richmond in a hard fought game over at Optus Stadium. I can't get around it. I don't see the ceiling.
00:41:07
Speaker
I see he's now way down the pecking order. Well, you know, at least a couple of notches down the pecking order than he used to be in that midfield when he was scoring well. And when you look at a guy like Elliott Yo, who we're saying bounce back in a big way, he's getting prominent roles. Nat Fife's just not getting that prominent role. There's every chance he gets injured, but I want your thoughts, Louis, as a more established coach in this podcast.
00:41:31
Speaker
Now I agree with you Dossi, I'm not sure the ceilings there to take the punt. You broke down his stats on the game you just played and he filled up on tackles to get to that 83. When you actually look at his touches, I'm not sure that it's going to be consistent enough that
00:41:47
Speaker
he's going to prove to be a good pick. I think he's obviously a fantastic player, but I feel like he's got 65, 70 average written all over him as a lot of players like him who have retired into the forward line do replicate. It feels a lot like us sort of targeting a Patrick Dangerfield at times over the last couple of years when he's cheap and it always just ends up biting you. Dusty Martin. Sorry mate, you had your hand up there.
00:42:15
Speaker
You know mate, yeah I was just going to say he was lucky to get to the score he did so I don't think you can expect him to be a mid 80s guy going forward and you're probably better off targeting somebody like a Matt Johnson or a Marcus Windhager who are both 100 grand cheaper.
00:42:32
Speaker
One other point that I will raise is that there was no Jago Amira in that midfield either on the weekend. So how those midfield roles are going to line up when he comes back is really anyone's guess. So you're pretty much trading into him blind this week, not knowing exactly what his role is going to be.
00:42:48
Speaker
Now, Hami, you did just mention it before. Now, Luis left us as well for the podcast. Thank you for his services on this show. But Marcus Windhager, Hami, you mentioned him before. Look, he put up 28 points in that first quarter. I was ruining my decision to go against him. But thankfully, he did have a high enough break even, and he did slow down as the game went on. He ended up scoring.
00:43:09
Speaker
What was it in the 60s, 66 for this game, 15 disposals, four tackles. He started really well, did have a bit of that midfield role as well, getting himself nine centre bounces and reasonable time on ground. As you mentioned, he is that cheaper option you could bring in. Do you like a Windhaker as that sort of 344K, if that's what you can only afford?
00:43:34
Speaker
Yeah I do. I've sort of been having a bit of a look at it. I'm not 100% sure whether it'll come in for me because I guess his place in the team is still a little bit questionable but I did like what I saw. He had a good role and having a look at what he did in the VFL he's got some good scoring potential so that game
00:43:53
Speaker
It was very congested, a very defensive style of game, so it wasn't really conducive to high fantasy scores. I wouldn't be against trading him in this week, we'll put it that way.
00:44:06
Speaker
So I just happened to catch a little bit of the Ross Lyon press conference at the end of the game, and he mentioned that Lenny Hayes, the midfield coach, actually made the call to put Windhager onto Chad Warner after half-time. So Windhager was actually on 42 at half-time, and as Dossie said, he's ended on 66.
00:44:27
Speaker
Although he's still a good option, and I'm actually looking at him this week as well, he's always going to be one of those players that at any point in time when they need to shut down an opposition midfielder, he seems to be that guy, and if that's the case, then that's going to put a dent into his scoring, so harm you. But that might help us for the next few weeks, Holmes, if we only see him as a, I don't know, two to four week play, at least we're saying he's got a few strings to his bow and he may actually have a bit of job security for a bit.
00:44:57
Speaker
Yeah, and I think I was just going to look up. Yeah, so Hunter Clark three to five weeks away. By tells a test in their injury list as well. You know, guys in the injury list. I think Windhager, they will give him a go in there though. So he's one to look at. Speaking of other sort of that price range as well. I actually didn't catch this game. I'm hoping one of you guys did, but Devon Robertson.
00:45:19
Speaker
For Brisbane, we know McClugage is also going to miss a week with his concussion Apparently that I've already seen that they reckon that's only going to be a one-week thing for the club But dev Rob was already in the squad at that point Do we know if Devin Robertson has you know any any validity in being an option for our team army?
00:45:40
Speaker
so cheap because he was the green vest twice and he scored below 10 so that's the reason why he's coming in at 310,000 but the Lions haven't looked amazing it's probably the other thing and they need to keep winning so I reckon there's a risk that you know he has one bad game and he gets dropped straight up and
00:46:03
Speaker
I hate to say it but maybe they go back to the well and Jared Lyons comes in because that's the sort of a role that he is playing.
00:46:11
Speaker
I am a huge fan of Dev Rob and the last time I remember seeing him play in a meaningful game, it was last year in that prelim final against the Cats, obviously Brisbane not their greatest day out. 17 disposals, 10 tackles, 96 points and he was one of the only Lions that really kind of stood up in that game as well and obviously Josh Dunkley's arrival is just what's killed him and hopefully he's off to the mighty Weagles next year as a WA man.
00:46:38
Speaker
Look, if he gets his opportunity in the next couple of weeks, I feel like he could be that cash gen. It's just that job security that's tough, isn't it? Yeah, sure is. And I think he got a lot of tackles on the weekend as well, but maybe there's a little bit of Harry Himmelberg factor about it. And if they want to keep him, they will play him because he doesn't have a contract from memory. So, yeah, I'm not sure. A bit of a risky one, that.
00:47:03
Speaker
Um, how young homesy mirror for a man, any interest in, in picking him up. He hasn't just shown that, that ability to consistently hit the high schools. Yeah. Not for me, Dossie. Like, I think I mentioned it before. I think at this time of the year, I want to try and get, you know, close enough to the top seekers possible. And he's priced quite highly at the moment. I think low nineties, because he's had a few good games on the trot, but I
00:47:29
Speaker
I never really like picking players, especially defenders that aren't necessarily the main ball distributor. Like don't get me wrong, they love having the ball in Hayden Young's hands, but Luke Ryan's back there as well and he loves getting the pill just as much as anyone else. So I think when you've got both of those two in the side, it's going to mean that they don't have the ceiling that we need as fantasy players. And we saw on the weekend, he can have a good game of footy and put up a 60 or a 70. So for that reason, I'm a no on Hayden Young.
00:47:55
Speaker
although he has gone on some runs throughout the season, I don't think he's consistent enough to be a top six defender for us. I think earlier in the show when Hami mentioned the name Harry Himmelberg, I saw you cringe in your seat, Holmsey. I'd like your opinion on him as an option. Obviously, he's got the round 15 buy, so if you're heavy in that buy, he's not an option this week, but maybe post-buy as well, being still cheap that he will be, and that factor that he is now playing in the defensive unit for GWS.
00:48:24
Speaker
Yeah, I can't get around this one. I think a lot of coaches are just looking at what he did last year and thinking that, okay, because he's in defense now, what he did last year, he's more than capable of doing that again. But GWS aren't playing the same brand of footy now that they were this time last year. There's not a lot of that chip, chip going around. And they've also got Locky Whitfield, Locky Ash coming still to come back in. And even Nick Haynes has had a bit of a research informant and getting the ball as well. So there's a lot of guys back there.
00:48:53
Speaker
And although he's gone an 80 and a 90 in his last two and he definitely presents value, I'm not saying he's going to average what he's priced at now. I just think with all of those players back there, I'm just not sure he's going to have the ceiling and he's going to have a bit of a flaw that means that he's not going to be the smash play that a lot of us hope that he will be like he was last year. That's just my personal opinion and how I'm feeling about it at the moment.
00:49:14
Speaker
The other thing is obviously he has the round 15 by next week so we can't really target him this week and then in round 16 he has Melbourne in Darwin and we know what defenders do in Darwin so for me if you are looking for him I'd probably wait until round 17 when that run opens up to really see how it all plays out especially if Isaac Cummings able to get himself fit and back into that side too.
00:49:38
Speaker
Dossie, he's only priced about 550, isn't he? So, man, he's got to go higher than that. Dossie, can't you see Lockie Keefe and Harry Himmelberg chipping it to each other in that back line? Yeah, so I mean, you and I can see it. You and I can see it. I hope you just can't see it.
00:49:56
Speaker
that big milestone game. The big Hyundai. Congratulations to Lucky Keith, the great man and fantastic fantasy option that Dossie had in his team fondly. I think it was last as early as last year. Taran Thomas is requested by listeners. This is one that I'll again take. I can't get around it myself. He kicked three goals to get his way to 78 points. He's playing some good footy, but to get to the
00:50:25
Speaker
value pick that you want. Look, he couldn't get a better role at the moment. You know, all their studs are currently out. They've got to make their way back into the side. He is $518,000, Thomas, but I personally just can't get around paying that much for a North Melbourne player at this time of the year when, you know, I don't know, there's much better players in their team now than when he went on his big run a few years ago.
00:50:51
Speaker
So cheap, isn't he? That's probably why people are looking at him. But I'll just say this, Dawson, I don't think I actually said it during the podcast so far. Do not trade in people that haven't had their buy. OK, so we're only targeting players that had a buy in round 12 or round 13. So it doesn't include him. Gives you an extra week to have a look at it and see whether you're happy enough with the roll and the price.
00:51:16
Speaker
Yeah, we mentioned it last week, but certainly not this time. That's definitely what we're looking at doing. I think even if you're, you know, not just for overall rank now, it's pretty much everything. It just seems better to be doing that. Although, yeah, I guess if you do have your buys through this time, you can still plan ahead and, you know, maybe target an Elliot Yeo when he's off this week, if you're that confident with his role. Guy that I've been really impressed with,
00:51:39
Speaker
Nassar Wanganeen-Miller, we've mentioned him a couple of times, but people are looking at him at $752,000. With Sinclair, you know, seeing a little bit of, I mean, he's been kind of in and out of the midfield, but one thing's been constant is that Wanganeen-Miller, a big option moving out of their defensive line, getting kick-ins, doing it all down their homesy, even as just a second year player that he is.
00:52:03
Speaker
Yeah, this is a really interesting one, Dos, and I'm going to say no just because of what I was talking about before and that I really want to try and get closer to the top. But shout out to Mitch from The Bull Boys because he actually quoted this stat on his podcast, which I found quite fascinating. The Saints have been the highest averaging fantasy team for the year so far, but their midfield has been the 14th highest scoring midfield. So their midfield aren't scoring points.
00:52:30
Speaker
And they haven't been terribly high scoring teams in the forward line either, so the points have to be somewhere. So those defenders for St Kilda are actually putting up some quite high numbers and it's been sustainable for a while now. So although I don't think that he's going to be a top six defender and he's not someone I'm targeting,
00:52:48
Speaker
I think there's probably a little bit of safety in his scoring and I think he's going to be quite consistent and we saw that he's got a ceiling after that big 1.22 on the weekend as well, so not the worst option. He's got a great role with all those kick-ins and like I said, Saints have a pretty good game plan at the moment for defenders.
00:53:05
Speaker
Yeah, I love watching him play too. Dare I say a little bit of that observable thirst just loves running off the back for a cheeky one. Probably doesn't exhibit, you know, desperation that I like to see in a thirsty man. But yeah, the game plan certainly helps him get some plus sixes back there. Jack Steele, we've already gone through. You can't target him while he's under this injury cloud.
00:53:25
Speaker
Super cheap and just wait for that turn and see if you think he's got to pass your eye test Just watch him play if he's still not looking right like he isn't to our eyes. You can't go there One of the listeners wanted to know is Mitch Owens a genuine option? I'll tell you what he's gonna be my team from next year as a lock But for this year harm he probably bit too early Yeah, he's put up some nice scores and he's playing really well, but I wouldn't bring him in
00:53:50
Speaker
It's that forward role, is it? It's a forward mid role. Like when he starts playing pure mid, I see him as he's such a Josh Dunkley clone to me, Mitch Owens, but probably even better forward craft based on what we've seen so far. All right. Let's look at some options just coming.
Post-Buy Fantasy Targets: Mitchell & Yeo
00:54:08
Speaker
into the buy this week and as potential targets after their buy, but some scintillating form for Tom Mitchell. We know he's an anointed pig by the traders. Hami, Tom Mitchell, could you possibly go there?
00:54:23
Speaker
Yes. Yes, you could. Um, and like that Collingwood game style, it's not slowing him down. He's put up some pretty big scores in the last few weeks. Um, so yeah, teach. He's definitely someone to have a look at and upon a difference from, um, those top thousand coaches, I suppose they won't be bringing them in. Uh, Elliot, yo, does this, does this sway you across to homesy to go on that sort of mid priced option? Um, given we've seen yo do it before and he was in our sights in the preseason as well.
00:54:53
Speaker
Yeah, Dos, he is someone that I will be looking at after his buy, and I know you were very keen on him two weeks ago, and I was as well, but I really wanted him to get through to his buy, so that was three weeks on the trot, just to say that he's got that match fitness back. We know that with every game that he plays, the risk for soft tissue injury actually decreases because his body's starting to get match hardened, so he's definitely an option coming off his buy. The Eagles are so depleted that he has no choice but to be
00:55:20
Speaker
the main guy wherever he goes, whether it's midfield, whether it's defence and just some of those times where the Eagles are getting pumped and him and Witho just chip around with each other in the back line. It's just very conducive for fantasy scoring. So, yeah, absolutely. He is one that I'll look at. Injury risk will always be there, the same as Mitch Duncan, but he's someone that I could see, you know, putting up close to top six numbers if he gets on a bit of a run towards the end of the season at a very juicy 605K.
00:55:48
Speaker
Yeah, and could have been bigger too. They basically arrested him in the last quarter, only half the quarter in the last. So, he only had 68% game time for that big score, yo. So, I think he's right up there with a huge target for us next week. Somebody wants to know, and they've mixed up the segments here, must have been when we did the segment steal, but is Ben Hobbs a trade or spade? Shout out to Nath from Hat Chat Harmony, but Hobbsy, or Holmesy wants to go here.
00:56:16
Speaker
He, in an ideal world, he's done his job. He was a mid-pricer that's made a lot of coin for you and you could get him up to a, you know, you're within a stone's throw of a rookie down to get up to a genuine midfield or forward premium. I'm going to say hold Ben Hobbs and it's the same theory for a Caldwell or any of those players that are on their by at the moment, even a Jacob Van Ruyen.
00:56:38
Speaker
For the point that Harmony made, all of our forwards are around 15. So it doesn't matter if you can downgrade players in the midfield or defensive line next week to try and get extra players on field. If you're not getting in forwards next week off their buy, you're going to struggle to get more than 18, 19, 20 if you've only got two or three playing in the forward line. So I'd be holding Hobbs to have him play next week. I know that Parrish and Sheil and potentially Setterfield are all looking to come back in the next couple of weeks, which means his role is going to change.
00:57:07
Speaker
but I can't see him putting up a stinker where his price is going to go backwards. So I think you hold him through his buy next week, hold him through his buy this week to play next week and then you look to upgrade him in round 16.
00:57:19
Speaker
Slowly different opinion. I reckon if you had planned your buy strategy to trade him out now and you can get to a hundred averaging player, you trade him. Who do you go to? Who do you go to in the forward line though, Hami? If you've got him in the midfield and your forward line's fine, absolutely, I would agree with that. But if you've got him in your forward line,
00:57:41
Speaker
What forward premium that's coming off their buy this week, are you confident in that's going to be able to average 100 or be close enough in the top six forwards? You're looking at maybe a Dylan Moore, but we've seen what his role is like up and down. I'm not sure there's the forwards to trade into this week. That's the only flag I'll put on that. Coming off their buy, there's two I can see, Errol Goulden and Josh Junkley. They'll both be 100 averaging players.
00:58:09
Speaker
If you don't have them, I guess, yeah. Yep. Yep. All right. Good call, Hami. Will Day. Final verdict, Hami. Would you, or do you know, are you going to hold basically? It's a similar thing. Hold or trade there. I'm a bit uncertain, but I'm going to hold. And if he ends up being my D6, so be it. What was your final? He hit a good score. He got 98. He had an injured 98. He spent time on the sidelines on the weekend. So I think that we're probably focusing on his 70 from last week a bit too much.
00:58:39
Speaker
bit back to that strategy from the start, homesy, what did you end up, you know, thinking yourself? I think you got everyone else's opinion. Would you prefer the one extra premium on field or like with the wheel day situation from earlier or an Atkins, like you said, trading at the guy that all week I've been trading Atkins to get up to Sinclair to be the
00:58:59
Speaker
the better long-term play rather than have 20 on field this week. Like I said, if I hold Atkins, but he's still playing on the wing against Carlton and only puts up a 50 or a 60, then I'm not really getting the scores and then his cash is going to go backwards anyway. So I think I'm in the camp of holding day. I think with us being unsure of who that sort of fifth and sixth defender is going to be, I think he can be close enough for long enough that he could be one of our final upgrades and he could sit at D6 for a while.
00:59:27
Speaker
Um, somebody's wanting to know and I can answer this for them based on what you guys have just said, but is it okay to trade Dylan Williams? Um, it absolutely is. Um, that's the time of year that you want to start getting rid of these mid-price players is 538 K. I mean, I think he's, you know, he's definitely done his job. He's played fantastic, but, um, yeah, you can jump off comfortably and we've only got a couple more here guys from the listeners. Christian Salem is here target next week. Harmony putting up a ton on the weekend.
00:59:56
Speaker
Yeah, he is a target. I might not be as keen as Sam. I think he scored 270s before he hit that good score on the weekend. But I don't know. Look, they went through him every opportunity they could, but I'm just not 100% sold yet, mate. Round 16, Darwin. Look at him in round 17 if you really need an underpriced defender.
01:00:20
Speaker
Gee, I love that flag from you. I haven't even looked at that. Thank you. Thank you, Holmes. Are you going to have to thank you for that one, I think? Jarman Impy. Final verdict from you, Holmes. You weren't thinking it, but look at his last three have been outstanding. Is he going to be a trap for us then, you reckon?
01:00:37
Speaker
Yeah, these type of players, we know that they can go on runs. I always get a little bit worried, you know, why haven't they done this before? But you can't argue what he's done over the last three rounds. You can't argue that if Sicily's out, he's not going to have more of a prominent role. So if you're someone that is really hot on him, I'm not going to talk you out of it, but he's not the type of player that I like to target.
01:00:57
Speaker
Well, let's just have a quick look at his run. He's got the Suns, then he's got the Blues, then the Giants, then North, then Richmond, then the Saints. Like, it's a pretty decent run coming up for them too as a back.
01:01:12
Speaker
That is a juicy, juicy run, Hami. Now we've also just lost Holmsey. He's headed off. Looks like that might be just time to wrap up the pod, I reckon, Hami. But I need to ask you, now that we're one-on-one, how the hell do I get inside the top 20K, mate? Well, now that they're gone, can you tell me the secret? Yep. Yeah, I can. You don't sideways trade everybody all the time. You actually look for a decent upgrade to go one down and one up through this buy period. I've been doing one up, one down, one up.
01:01:41
Speaker
Tell me how you've been trading out and trading here. It's been good. I swear. Just trust me. Just trust me on it. Keep at it. If you're doing all the right things, I'll take your word for it and we'll expect you to crack that top 20,000 soon. All right. So between friends, if Jack Bose is named the sub, do we jump on? No, I can. You can't. We'll leave it there. We'll leave it there. We will see you next week.