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Season 4- Episode 7- First In Line (Premiership Round 5)
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It is those American rugby boneheads, here for you all to have your laughs at. On this episode, it is international squads galore as we have a look at the squads prepping for the Autumn Test series from Europe. Of course, we discuss a question that many might asking, what does England do with their captain? We also, have a chat about what to expect from the Eagles and how excited we are for their matches this fall, oh yeah did we mention we mean the Eagles that don't make our heads explode? Yes, we also wrap all the action, including a couple of tonkings, from round 5 in the prem. Crack one with us and enjoy!
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Transcript
Introduction & Podcast Kick-off
00:00:08
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Hey everybody, welcome back to this event. My name is Jared Doug. I'm Ben Glaser. Let's roll. We got lost to cover. Thank you very much. Squad releases. Just a few. Just a few. Let's do. Crack them if you got them. Let's see if I can still do this. You can do it. You can do it. You're the one that's trying to teach me that trick. There we go. I got it. Well done. Find this in your favorite place that you get your podcasts. Download rate review as always.
00:00:37
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And let us know what you think, just the same either way. We like honesty. We deal with honesty around here, sometimes. For clarification, for the people who don't know, I was opening my beer, popped up with my wedding ring. So it's not an easy feat, but it probably sounded like you were well under practice with that. I am. I haven't done it in a home and I haven't done it in so long.
00:01:04
Speaker
Yeah, but I was good at it for the longest time. So there we go. You managed to rekindle it there.
00:01:11
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Grab, um, grab yourself, grab George a coffee, not yourself. You can get yourself a coffee, grab George a coffee or a beer, uh, the fancy Ruby geek. Cause if he, if you listened to us, you probably found a stupid. So there you go. Nothing else. That's why. Or Anton, I guess Anton's been, been spreading this around to some friends. So that's always nice. Appreciate it. Anton's friends by, by Georgia coffee. Cause he's helping you too.
Supporting Restart Rugby & Social Causes
00:01:36
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Yeah, no doubt. Um,
00:01:38
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grab your TRM upgrades, because they are supporting restart rugby for their second year. And there's no organization quite like it. And it's something that needs to be more, more prevalent in the world. So in order to do that, they need a little Bitcoin. So support them for sure. And you get some cool stuff in return from TRM. As always, Black Lives Matter on this podcast, and there is no room for racism. And I think
00:02:05
Speaker
The message might actually go through, but let's not be silly. It's not going to go through. It's taking its sweet time. It may. It may not. It may not. But I was glad to see that that was going to be a subject matter on that show on Rugby Tonight. I'm sad we didn't get to watch the whole thing. Maybe somebody can send us the footage. But it sounds like a lot of good things were opened up and a lot of eyes were opened as well. So.
00:02:34
Speaker
Right. I saw a lot of tweets because we didn't I don't even think we knew it was happening here so much because we don't. I heard it. I had heard him mention it on the series broadcast broadcast that that was going to be part of the show. That's right. That's right. We did hear that. And then shortly after that, I was seeing tweets and stuff from people who like I did not realize this. I thought it was benign. I didn't realize it was it was this bad. So, OK, now I understand. And can I tell you something, though, even though we haven't seen it,
00:03:01
Speaker
It's nice to actually see journalism somewhere in this world, like true journalism, where you're actually telling the story of what things are rather than, you know, the established public narrative, which is racist as hell, because that's just...
00:03:17
Speaker
was built by racists, created by racists, maintained by racists for the longest time. Yes. You know, we're taking that back, but we're taking it from them hopefully now. But this is the kind of journalism that we need of telling the story of the victims not whining about the feelings of the people doing the, you know, perpetuating the bullshit.
00:03:36
Speaker
you know it wasn't an interview of you know tony roe explaining himself it was people explaining themselves wrong yeah he tried that it didn't work he's had enough opportunities he doesn't need any more
00:03:49
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Yeah, no, he tried that. No, no good, Sarah, no good. Good job, BT Sport. Yeah, thank you. Yeah.
Community Engagement & Patreon Shoutouts
00:03:56
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If you didn't already know, our Patreon is up and running. Thank you to Alex and Duncan for subscribing. We appreciate it. Oh, so, so, so, so much. Very much. Yeah. And trust me, we'll be giving you guys a little bit of special attention. If you if you're interested,
00:04:09
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Patreon is going to be in the show notes. It's out on Twitter and I haven't pinned it to my to my Twitter profile. I will. But I don't think I have either. Yeah, I think I will think I will. So, yeah, we appreciate just the same. And hopefully our advice and our information helps you guys maintain where you're at. And Duncan, maybe not so much. It does do the fantasy advice, but more than anything else, we don't do much of the rugby talk on there. It's all fantasy. So if you have a fantasy rugby team,
00:04:39
Speaker
Um, you know, give us a, give a check us out on the Patreon. That's your, that's your place. Okay.
Tragic News & Rugby Community Tribute
00:04:46
Speaker
And then we go to some absolutely terrible, terribly sad news with, um, Sean, my newbie passing away in a car crash. And I mean, I'm just, it is, I mean, I'm so I've seen this too many times. It's sad. These guys, I mean, they're,
00:05:10
Speaker
They're athletes and they're great individuals. They're also kids and they like, you know, some of them play with their toys and it bites them. I don't know that this was the case, but I mean, and I'm not blaming him. It's just sad because he was destined for even greater things than he was already doing. It's just, you know, we're all robbed of that opportunity of seeing that and him for experiencing that.
00:05:39
Speaker
You know, just to see the outpouring everywhere, in every language. From every corner. From every corner. Like, it means something. And for a guy who was... Did he have...
00:05:56
Speaker
He had the Maori All Blacks caps. I'm not sure if he had. Hadn't got to full cap yet. Right. So for someone who was not a full international to get that outpouring of love means a lot for that individual. It's sad. Yeah.
00:06:14
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on just one of those unfortunate reminders of right, how fragile it is and how how little the shit that even you and I do, actually mean the world, you know, right? Oh, yeah. So it's, it's very, it's just, yeah. So to Sean and to Sean's family, all we can do is just send our love, send our love and send our thoughts and hope that you're able to get through this really rough time. Yeah.
00:06:42
Speaker
You know, in one piece, really sad. All right, let's go on to...
Rugby Squad Discussions: England, France, Scotland, Ireland, USA Women
00:06:49
Speaker
Maybe some are not so sad news. England Rugby releasing. This is the one that we've all been waiting for for the most part. And this year, obviously not from England, in which case you can give a shit. So here's the thing. There are some things that I go, why? But there's so much good that I'm not going to come on here and bitch about it. Okay. There is a really a lot of good on here that we were all screaming for as well. Right. You know,
00:07:17
Speaker
Frickin, you know, and I actually like seeing Jima Blahmyer back in there as well. I do too. As well. I find it funny that he's not starting for his club, but he's a constant pine rider for MacWigan, but Blahmyer gets selected. But we know the guy in charge doesn't pick on that, so. Yeah. Yeah. So we see the two loose forwards that we really wanted to see with Simmons and Don Brand on the list without Billy, which is important.
00:07:42
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because if we saw Billy, it would mean more than likely he's going to start and we don't want that. We want to see these guys, these other two guys play at least. On the other side and in the backs, like, hallelujah, Rafi Quirk, Harry Randall, you know, yep, Marcus Smith, yep, like, Freddie Stewart,
00:08:01
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Give, gimme, gimme, gimme. And Watson's been replaced, obviously, by John Marchant, who's not bad. Couldn't mean Louis Lana goes another way, though, which has been used for England. Yeah, that's interesting to me, all of that. And to me, there's two backs that just do not make any sense to me at all. And again, yeah, it's in that, all right, but you're going to do that, then that's fine, like with all the other good stuff. I mean, Johnny May is a hole at the premiership level. He's not.
00:08:29
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shouldn't be seeing the field. It's not an international background at that level. I don't know how the hell he makes an international team. And Mark Atkinson, no disrespect as a player, love him as a player. He deserved this long, long ago. And maybe that's kind of, this is kind of his little tip of the cap to him. Maybe. But again, as you said, if it's, if, you know, picking
00:08:55
Speaker
Johnny May and Mark Atkinson now means you miss out on a Louis Lina or, oh shit, what's the guy from, who's in Scotland now? Place for bed. Red path. Camera red path. You lost out on the camera red path because you picked some fucking,
00:09:13
Speaker
shmo, you know, jag at the premiership level. These are bad tactical decisions that affect the future of England rugby. So I wish there was a little bit more judicious there with those two. Yeah, I'm not going to get an argument on me with that. But overall, yes. Yes, yes.
00:09:34
Speaker
Yeah, overall, yeah. Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot. There's enough positive for me to outweigh whatever negative thoughts I might have here. And now that brings the question, what do you do with Ferrell? Because he is the captain. Now, if you had the stones, you could put him on the bench and bring him on as a steady hand with Marcus starting and, you know, all right, you want to keep Marcus on the field, you put him at 12. You think Marcus has run his race? Put him at 10.
00:10:04
Speaker
I don't think Eddie has the stones for that, but that's just my thoughts. I'm not saying that they can't win games with him at 12 or, you know, anything of that nature. I'm just saying, I mean, with his visit, the physicality he brings and the way. So the way you need to play, if you're going to have Marcus Smith as your 10.
00:10:25
Speaker
You need a 12 who can distribute like a 10 or someone who can play in that position to distribute like a 10, because some of Marcus's best plays have come when he's at second receiver. And that's that's not just off of, you know, in open play, that's off a set piece. You know, they'll use him as that that that blockers line out the better, you know, the outfit, the back line off the blockers and fuck deal with Marcus Smith in space with two wings in a fullback running off of him. Yeah, I'm sure you'll love it. Like,
00:10:54
Speaker
that, you know, that works. And, you know, to like, he's not that guy. Atkinson's not really that guy. So to me, it's, I think the best 12 for, for Marcus Smith, the 10 has got to be Feral because he ended in the tackling. I mean, we saw this weekend, how, how physical,
00:11:16
Speaker
Um, Farrell can be an attack too. He was running some hard lines harder than most. So I think he's gearing up to be 12. I think that's my, my impression. Like, all right, I'm going to run it like a 12 at 10 here. Yep. I think that might be very accurate that.
00:11:34
Speaker
Oh, man. So we'll see what they do. We are going to get most of the tests viewable over here, which is nice. And hey, some of those I won't even have right before, so I'll be excited. Okay, let's go over to Leble, their squad release. Not a ton to really be mad about. I'm sure somebody else can tell me there's more. No Charles Audivon, that's a problem, obviously.
00:12:03
Speaker
Uh, Shah, peer Lou Barassi are both out with injury as well. So, um, had to fill those, but really they filled them nicely. And I am really just eyeballing that lat that I think it's the last match of the tour. The New Zealand, New Zealand, New Zealand and France in Paris. Uh, I don't see anything bad about that. Is that what? November 23rd, I think something like that. Oh, thanks. Give me a weekend here.
00:12:31
Speaker
I think so. That's my, uh, anniversary weekend. So also that I think I can convince my wife to watch France and might be the 28th. Okay. Then I'll just watch it on my own. There you go. It's going to be a very intense match. Yes, it is. I'm looking forward to that and looking forward to again, seeing,
00:12:59
Speaker
the otherworldly talents of Roman Intimac and Jelly Bear and DuPont. Did you see DuPont's 5022 this weekend? I did not. I mean, it was only dwarfed by Billy's, but that's a point. Yeah. But he hit one that went out on the five meter line.
00:13:24
Speaker
oh man like wow yeah so we're finding out so with the new rules we're finding out more things that Anton DuPont can do that we didn't know about right that's just ridiculous that guy's amazing i don't even know oh and this brings me to the point like and i said it before and i think it went over everybody's head so i'm gonna say it here
00:13:47
Speaker
If you're out there just making inflammatory tweets about, you know, certain players, just to start arguments. It's not even like, you know, it's not even like, let's have this conversation, which is something that you and I try to do on Fridays with our, with our fantasy stuff. It's right. I want you to argue with me and be a dick about this. Let's start a fight on Twitter. Like react to this for me. Yeah. Fuck you, dude. Like also, um, let's see. And there were other names I said, and I, I stand by those names as well, but like Morrow, Sam Simmons,
00:14:17
Speaker
And DuPont, right there, done. Don't need to think beyond those. Fuck off, dude. I can't stand those types of things. Like, yes, this, like, social media is such a fucking cesspool. Let's not help that, okay? Let's stop that. Don't encourage that shit. I try to be positive as much as I can. Except about politics, but that's different. Yeah, but that's a different story for a different day. That's life and death type stuff, so. Yeah, whole different ball of wax. Anyway.
00:14:46
Speaker
Scotland. Let's go to Scotland. Oh, we did like to say as we were saying, I'm leading into this when we were just kind of getting, you know, our shit together to record. I think it says a lot that France have put out a lineup and it's like, yeah, OK, that's their lineup. That's their squad. Like nobody's really, you know, it's not.
00:15:06
Speaker
You know, when you, when you pick people based on, you know, they're, they're actually playing really well and they're good players. People tend to not question it so much. It's amazing. It's an amazing thing. Yeah. Um, yeah. So let's jump over to Scotland. They've named in expanded squad, which will obviously be included for the test, not Tonga, which is outside the window. So they can only pick Scotland based guys for that. Um, all of their lines are picked.
00:15:33
Speaker
No shot there. No shot. It shouldn't be a shot there. Sam Skinner, once again, pitch picked which I really love. I really like him a lot. I love that guy. I really wish he played more. If I'm Sam Skinner, and I know X was a good place for him to play right now, I might find just something about the same level that I'm going to get a little bit more playing time with because he is otherworldly at moments. I guess not with Johnny Hill and Johnny Gray around.
00:15:59
Speaker
Yeah, I'm crazy. I think. Yeah, it's kind of done. We'll see. But yeah, Skinner should get more. Oh, and then who is it? There were two that names that stood out to me. Scott and Bayless. Yeah, Matt Scott.
00:16:13
Speaker
Like him a lot does a lot of the work that you don't necessarily notice. But man, when, you know, when he's carrying, he's not a fun guy to stop. That's for sure. And we saw how much we saw how much work Josh Bayless has had to do on the reg for his club. And, you know, unfortunately, it's come to no avail. But I think it's I think it's warranted at this point for the amount of amount of work he goes through in a match. And he's not we tiny like Hamish Watson. So get him out.
00:16:46
Speaker
Just freakin' nature in other ways. Yeah, no. Bob Bayless is an excellent player. If you listen to the pod, you know we love Hamish. Yeah, totally. Just making fun of the people who don't like Hamish because they're wrong. I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.
00:17:04
Speaker
All right, over to the Ireland squad. And you got to believe that this is going to be the swan song soon for Johnny Sexton here. And I know he's the captain. He's he's on 99 caps. So you get him 100 and you say bye bye. Yeah, he won't be around for Six Nations. So he'll come out for one of the the games he should be playing in. And then
00:17:28
Speaker
Yeah, we got to start seeing, um, carburetor, he's healthy. Yes. That's his one problem. He has a hard time staying healthy. Um, but also, um, help me out here. Uh, burn. Oh yeah. He's not named here, but, um, yeah, I, oh yeah. Uh, yeah, actually it's his brother Harry. Okay. But so we'll see. Hopefully we see him. Um,
00:17:53
Speaker
Some good. So one of the good is one. Yeah, one uncapped in the forward. That's good. Yeah, I know. That's fun. So awesome to see that. Yes. Yes. Yes. Bring it on. Bring it on.
00:18:06
Speaker
No. Um, Ian Henderson, I think in Henderson's got the most caps in the forwards right now. Nope. Like he and he like, I didn't see him there. He's got it by a margin. Nevermind. Yes. But he's coming. He's coming to the end too. You got to feel, you know, he's a pro how old is, you know, uh, not young. I don't think at least if he is, that's ridiculous.
00:18:33
Speaker
He's 34, yeah. He's on the back end of the career there. He will play in the World Cup. But that'll be his last hurrah and he'll probably be as a reserve. But yeah, I think like that 34 prop, you can make it to 36 if you're still playing at that level. Right, right. And there is...
00:19:02
Speaker
There is the, the, there is the problem for them at hooker and they just don't know who their number one is. Uh, at that spot, you know, you have Calihera, you have, um, I think it's Herring. Um, those are probably your one and two, but really they don't know who it is. They don't know who the, the, you know, who's the guy in the clubhouse at this point.
00:19:21
Speaker
Well, that's what these pests are for. That's why we do it. I mean, that's what I would use it for, personally, but hey. Okay, who wants to start Six Nations? Here you go. Right. Show me something, man. Yeah, you'll get 40. You'll get 40. There you go. Have fun. Tell us if you want to play. Yeah, we'll see how that goes. Also, also, also, the squad for the...
00:19:51
Speaker
The Eagles test that are coming up here has been released for, for there are on internationals. I think they're just playing Canada this time around. Oh no, they're playing one too. That's right. I forgot about that. I forgot about that. That'll be awesome. I mean, they're also playing New Zealand. Oh, that's, that's good. Where are they playing New Zealand? So they play them here. DC. Yeah. No, not that one. The other one, the other, the other Eagles. Oh, the other, Oh, I don't know. The, the women folk.
00:20:17
Speaker
Oh, I know. I was, I was just thinking the men because that's coming up this weekend. Yeah, but that's their only, that's their only test this window. Oh, okay. I thought they were playing others. Nope. Wow. That was the last one. So hold on to your, hold on to your hats. It's not going to be an aftertaste to this. It's going to be all. Yeah, there's no cleanser for this one. It's going to be, yeah, we're going to be waiting until we play Chile next year. Basically. Oh, fuck that shit.
00:20:43
Speaker
Uh-huh, but for the, for the women, um, yeah, let's talk about the, the good, the good Eagles. Yeah. The good Eagles, the ones that don't disappoint me on a regular basis. Right. Um, the, um, I think every player that was playing over in England has been picked, which is obviously smart, but at the same time, like it also speaks to how well they've done over there. I think to at least to a point, like.
00:21:09
Speaker
Gabby Kontorna is a household name down in Devon now, as is Kate Zachary, you know. Alicia Washington, I see her on Wooster Women's Twitter all the time. Oh, they love her. They love her. And they're playing the England match this fall. Yeah, they are. So she is super excited about that. I don't blame her one bit.
00:21:29
Speaker
Of course, our local hero, Chrissy Kerst has been has been grabbed off the sevens roster as well. So I'll be I'll be looking forward to see her turn those wheels over on a 15s team is coming up here. Really, really looking like and the you know, the it's great to see that they have the option now, because Katana Howard plays for sale as a tenant, but she's now not 10. Katana can play 12.
00:21:55
Speaker
So if they show choose to, they can't go with a two distributor system at 10 and 12.
00:22:01
Speaker
I don't see anything wrong with that. No, I don't at all. They're light years ahead of the men if they do that. Yeah, no kidding, right? And can barely get a one distributor. That's not fair. AJ, when he's healthy. Oh, yeah, he's definitely, I mean, he's definitely not a distributor, but after that, forget it. Forget it. Yeah, fucking deep drop off is bad. Although I did like, boy, I saw, I've seen a Luke Cardio just want to see more. Yeah, I do. Yeah, that's not his fault. No, that's not his fault.
00:22:30
Speaker
He's new. And you got to figure that Carly Waters is probably slotting right into that nine shirt as well. She's a Saracen. Love it. Love it. And I also like that they're playing in England because, you know, as you said, all of the American players over there are, from what I can tell, are getting rave reviews. Yes. So this is a really good opportunity for people like Christy Kirshy, who if, you know, if she's apparently priest, you know, she
00:22:59
Speaker
to rugby like a fish to water, essentially. And she's been developing the aspects of her game that converts to rugby always encounter the issues with the tackling and the rocking and the when to pass and when to put your head down. All that's the decision making shit. She's getting better at it.
00:23:19
Speaker
you know, what if she gets a contract there from from this to like, this is such a good opportunity for these women to get looks for the non professionals to get looked at professional wise, too. And this cycle continues. Keep it going. Yeah, keep it going. And then not to gloss over the one the one local local right now, from being town, right as well. Jenny.
00:23:44
Speaker
So that's that's also pretty cool as well. So we have two locals to cheer for at least. Definitely. And then I still consider Alicia Washington a local because she played for Hartford before she moved through. That's also true. I forgot about I coached against her from, you know, when I was coaching with Bean Town. So OK. Nice. Cool. Yeah. So I'm looking forward to this.
00:24:08
Speaker
Can we figure out how to watch these, please, please, please, please. Hopefully US rugby actually gets their head out of the rash for this one. That'd be nice. If not, we're pirating shit. Right. That's just how it is, man. That's just how it is. All right, so got that. And then the last thing.
USA Rugby World Cup Bid & Event Experience
00:24:31
Speaker
Second last thing. Rugby Rugby World Cup US launch for the bid has been officially launched.
00:24:39
Speaker
I don't care which one we get, I'm buying tickets. Right. You'll be second in line. Fuck that. I know where to hit you. That's not fair, because I know exactly where to hit you. This is against me. But yeah, and I like the, I like the idea, Ellie Sopper, who's bought tickets for the New Zealand World Cup.
00:25:03
Speaker
She's bought a whole entire ticket package and she's going to bring, you know, people that haven't necessarily gone to rugby or played rugby. And I'm just like, yes, this is a great idea. That's what I'm doing. I'm going to get a second ticket and we're going to do that. And I'm sure the boss is going to want to go to one of them, but you know, that's okay. The rest of them can be for others. Right. We're going to drag people to this. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I got friends in all corners of this place. We can,
00:25:28
Speaker
I mean, it's not going to be hard. There's going to be and it's going to be tons of rugby people there. I still. Yeah, going to just some of the the Eagles matches against like New Zealand and CNN on TV and stuff like that. There's going to be. Yeah, you drag, especially for a World Cup. You'll you'll get plenty of people so excited for that. Yeah. Right. And then just bring them because they'll see rugby people to and be like, oh, wait, this is actually not only is it entertaining sport, but the crowd is also a fucking blast. Yeah. So let me let me a good.
00:25:57
Speaker
a good crowd that'll not shut the hell up over the whole entirety if we can. Last thing before we get into the games. And this is something that's just continuously come up.
Rugby Match Conduct & Etiquette
00:26:08
Speaker
And I'd say in the last month plus, if not longer than that, probably a little longer than that, honestly. A lot longer than that. Touchline personnel, it just needs to stop, okay? Like don't get involved in the play in any way, shape or form.
00:26:22
Speaker
If you're not treating someone as a medic or you're not giving water to someone on the field, get the fuck back to your dugout. Be done. You should not be over on the end. I got yelled at for being on the end of the field in a high school match. In a professional match, you should be nowhere near that unless you're warming up as a player. That's it.
00:26:44
Speaker
And if they need water, they can bring a bottle of themselves. They'll be their adults. They can do it. Let's get it out of, let's knock it off, please. So I thought this weekend's issue wasn't nearly as egregious. I thought if anything, that was just a little bit of dickery.
00:27:03
Speaker
Not, you know, we've seen it worse. Like, who was it on the, was it somebody from Quinn's making fun of Jamie George being fat or something? Munster. Right. Yeah. It was Marlar that came on as a, as there had been taken out and was causing shit from the touchline at one point against Saris. He was Munster doing that. Like, this wasn't that. This was a player. Yeah. Players were warming up.
00:27:30
Speaker
And it looked to me like one of them would just watch and, you know, kind of just didn't didn't get in the way, but didn't get out of the way. And it didn't matter. They were going slow. And at that point, to me, the appropriate reaction is to be like, oh, you got me, you know, whatever. Fuck it. You know, it's play, you know, play on essentially like, yeah, maybe we got to go, you know, five seconds later than we really wanted to. Not even that much. Didn't take that much time to go pick up the ball. Just go pick up the fucking ball.
00:27:58
Speaker
He's just standing there watching a match, helping his teammates warm up. I didn't think the act was nearly as bad as the escalation that was done on the other side. And then, of course, once the shithouse restarts, it goes. Yeah, it definitely goes.
00:28:16
Speaker
Yeah, you take all that out if the player's not there in the first place. I get it. But at the same time, the reaction to this was an overreaction. It wasn't nearly as bad as what we've seen. This is not the time to ban, not for this bullshit, but if you're going to do it, fine. He got banned, so. Yeah, I didn't think it was that. I've seen a lot worse go without controversy.
00:28:41
Speaker
We just don't need any more of this bullshit, though, at the same time. That's true. At the same time, I get it, which is why I'm not going to fight too hard against it. It's more like why it took this. Like, this was it, really? Fucking kidding me. Yeah, maybe that's more the point. That's, yeah. I guess that's the reaction I'm going to go with there. Yeah, there you go. That's fair enough. Yeah.
Match Recaps: Sale vs. Harlequins, Newcastle vs. Bristol, Exeter vs. Wasps, Leicester vs. Worcester, Saracens vs. Bath, London Irish vs. Gloucester
00:29:00
Speaker
I'll give you that one. Okay. Over to week five of the prem, we had some good ones and we had some not so good ones.
00:29:09
Speaker
Friday night was just a freaking roll your sleeves up and look out type of match sale and Quinn's. It was, yeah, it was a rough old game. There's no question about that. No question. I mean, it just should house or he left and right. You know, when John Ross is your captain, that's kind of what happens. And it's a shame because like the rest of like the rest of sale are actually like
00:29:34
Speaker
If you take him off of sale, they're an enjoyable club to watch. And they don't, they generally stay away from that shit house area. Like the Dupree brothers, yeah, they'll get rough and they'll, you know, they'll let you know about it, but they're not like John O. Ross. No, John Ross is a dick. Who is a walking yellow card. So I'm surprised Sanderson keeps trotting him out there. I'm surprised he still has the C. I don't get how he's still captain. No way, man. Very surprising from Sanderson that he is.
00:30:04
Speaker
Ross is one of those guys that makes me want his team to lose. Yep, absolutely. I don't know how you could root for him. Every time somebody is clamoring for him to go international, I'm like, no, no. That's not the person you want at an international level. Get the fuck out of here. Keep dreaming, man. Keep dreaming.
00:30:25
Speaker
But the match overall was pretty fucking good. And for the young kid, Raffi Quirk, it is just a dreamland for him right now.
00:30:42
Speaker
Did he come off in this match? No, he didn't. He played every fucking minute. Yeah, he drank from whatever well Marcus Smith drank from. Had been drinking from, yeah. No question. Yeah, and Marcus Smith, I thought he played reasonably well. I mean, it was really what? Esther Hazen and Green, who played well for the Quins, and that's about it. Yeah, but I didn't think any of them were bad. They just weren't good.
00:31:09
Speaker
No, so yeah, I think they had that spell over them. Quirky is just everywhere, everywhere. Yeah, it's good to see what sale can do when they have a scrum half. Even if they don't have a fly half. Yeah, they definitely do have a fly half. They need one. They have a nine or a ten, man.
00:31:28
Speaker
Oh shit. And you know, he's going to get a run too. Even if he goes to England, goes to play for England for a little bit here because Faf's out for five months, five months or so. Yeah. So he's going to be well into the year. Yeah. There will come a time when Rafi Quirk is playing with AJ. And that'll be, and that'll be something fun to watch. That will be sexual. Yeah.
00:31:49
Speaker
So, um, I'm feeling very turned on by rugby today. Sorry. The, um, there was a guy that was playing pretty well in front of Eddie that didn't get the phone call, but also hadn't done himself all while justice in previous matches. Uh, Bevin rod loose head for sale, um, played pretty damn well in this match, but just, you know, that was probably his first really good game I've seen all year. So.
00:32:13
Speaker
You know, not quite there, but man, he's 21. Right. I mean, that was always, yeah. Like loads of time. So it's, um, yeah, nothing, nothing to be sad about. If you're a fan of his and or your fan of sales, as far as the 73 minutes though.
00:32:29
Speaker
That's a fucking workhorse. That's Sanderson giving him every opportunity to earn a shirt. So good on Alex for that, because Eddie was in the house. Yeah, you know. Kevin will be fine. Yeah, like who's that? Oh, shit. Blythe from Australia. He's come on and been an excellent international level prop, even though he's like
00:32:57
Speaker
Yeah, about 21 as well. So Rod has little ways to go, but he's, you know, it's right there for him. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. We'll be there. I agree. I agree. So he's a little bit more seasoning. Yeah. So harlequins are human and can be beaten and say, I'll make sure of that. We can kill it. I mean, they're, they're a tough fucking outfit at the age of usually anyway. So to note to not too many people surprised, just the same.
00:33:26
Speaker
Um, there's a couple of games that I'm not going to spend too much time on. Uh, this is one of them Kingston park. Kingston park is a fortress for new castle, but really, is there much to pick from this game? Um, Harry Randall's really fast. That's about it. Yeah. I think that, uh, patent lamb.
00:33:48
Speaker
sent some rockets up asses and it wasn't for this match. I think he threw this one away, to be perfectly honest, to get the message across to some guys who maybe feel too comfortable in their positions. Perhaps, yeah. A lot of fresh faces that went up to the tune.
00:34:10
Speaker
And now they're in a bye week this week, right? So yeah, this was, you guys are in my fucking doghouse right now. So you're going to sit there and think about it for a couple of weeks. Yeah, totally. That's my thoughts on this. Yeah. And it wasn't. Newcastle took it because it was there for them. Yes. That was it. That was really it.
00:34:31
Speaker
Man, I got 15 minutes in this match and I'm not sure I remember watching any of it. Oh, I got to like 40 minutes. I was like, this is this is not a match. This is nothing is happening here. I'm pretty sure. And it's like, I believe so, too. Yeah. Fuck did I watch this for? Oh, shit. And I was like, I think at that point, I went and looked at the final because it was later and I was like, oh, yeah, no, fuck that. I'm not watching the rest of it.
00:34:55
Speaker
It wasn't great. It was not great. Newcastle to their credit, they did the job that they were there for, but that was really it.
00:35:06
Speaker
Well, let's jump over to the CBS something a little bit more interesting. Moss and Exeter, you know, there was a whole lot to like about this really from both teams. And, you know, it didn't want to like the Oh, I didn't want to like a whole lot of either. But man, like there was still some good things going on here. And, you know, I kind of poo pooed on num nuts here for a team from Devon. But he's Harvey Skinner haves him run.
00:35:35
Speaker
And actually, I don't think they've lost a game since he started at 10. And I know Slade's kicking, which is not as... Slade's kicking is not as good as Simmons, but apparently Scanner's kicking is quite bad. So basically, anybody but him is going to be kicking for a little bit here. This lady's not terrible, but yeah, it's...
00:35:57
Speaker
Oh, he's not, but he's not as good as Simmons. Simmons was at some points just like, look like he wouldn't miss. Yeah. I mean, if it was like NFL and they could just bring on a kicker, that would be great for Joe Simmons, but that's not, you know, they need other stuff. And he's, and he, yeah, he maybe just feels like he, maybe Baxter feels like he's just been overworked a little bit in the last few seasons, the last 10 years. Yeah, I know. I don't know. You know, he almost never, he almost never changes his 10, which is weird, but you know, whatever.
00:36:26
Speaker
I mean, he didn't even take, that will always kill me when he didn't put Gao Steinson on to take a last kick in his career. Like, you didn't even do that. Like, a kick you didn't need. You let Joe take it. What are you doing? Yeah, let's just go take it. Come on. Yeah, he should have been on as well.
00:36:49
Speaker
Annoying that that's, you know, this is what happens. Yeah. Joe, I think maybe burnt out potentially. Cause he's, he always, he's just played, never had really a week off. No, not, not a whole lot of time off for that boy. Um,
00:37:04
Speaker
This just in via for feeder is extremely good. Man was tearing up trees and you know he's freeing up like so much for everyone else. Like even Brad Shields is enjoying. He's looking like he used to look in Super Rugby.
00:37:20
Speaker
Well, he's got a couple of his old teammates playing with exactly among Allen and, and for Fita. Yeah. It's just, um, it's nice to see Brad shields come back. And I think that has a lot to do with Fafita too. I mean, you know, yeah, to my gallon as well. He's tearing it up and loose too, which is fine. He has been, yeah. He has been, he has been. Um, and then, um, I'll get just isn't, isn't. Oh yeah. He's not doing it for me right now at all.
00:37:47
Speaker
And yeah, and who was it that, shit, who was playing 15 for Watts? It was Watson, right? Yeah. I think it's time for Crosdale again. I like Crosdale, I'm on back. I mean, Watson got just scorched, absolutely like just burnt to a crisp by Ficundo Cordero. Ficundo, yeah. In a first phase, and it never should have come to it. Like he just took such a bad line and react.
00:38:17
Speaker
Didn't, you know, I don't know. He was either out of position or I don't know. You should never have gotten beat all the way around the edge like that as a 15 there. He should have the speed to at least, you know, nudge him into touch or something. And I was so mad at that. I mean, just great for for Ficondo. I mean, Exeter played that really well. Eric actually has a really good analysis of it on his Twitter analysis guy.
00:38:43
Speaker
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, I was really good. So check that out if you get a sec, because good for Cordero, but man, I was so Watson.
00:38:54
Speaker
I like wasps, but there's just just a little too much problems with them. Yeah. And they got problems that hook to now. But yeah, I hope he's OK. I really do, too. He was excellent. He was so good. Yeah, he was. Yeah. And from the championship, because there's no there's no viable thing about the championship whatsoever, is there fucking bullshit? Yeah. OK, over to six ways.
00:39:22
Speaker
I thought this was the tonking of the weekend. I thought wrong, but yeah. I mean, I had this on the background. I'm not sad. I did, you know, it's like, yeah, it was, it was impressive as fuck. Um, I mean, Mattias Moroni is in the, uh, the Marlin yard category. Oh, he scored like their second try. It's like, okay. Well, yeah. Oh, this is this kind of game.
00:39:45
Speaker
Got it. An easy one. Wiki scored, for God's sake. Right. So who was it that got greeted by the back row? Oh, I'm sorry. Who was it that got greeted by the back row from Worcester was a vendor that tried to run that line and all three of them just like.
00:40:03
Speaker
I think so. I was like, Ooh, that was the wrong spot to run. All three of them just converged on him. No, that was not the place, dude. Not the place. Oh shit. That was hilarious. But Freddie burns has been watching a little bit of Marcus Smith, huh? Yeah. Did you see that? Not bad, Freddie. Not bad.
00:40:30
Speaker
Nice to see that. Yeah. Old man has some life in his boot and chasing. Yeah. Good shit. I mean, that's one of those things that I think we're going to see more of from tens rather than the, uh, the kick to someone else, the, the, you know, the self, I'm going to take this by self little self, little self kick. What's up love. Yeah. Just a little bit. Um, yeah. And you know, this is, this is the lesser that everybody wanted as well. You know, this lesson that they've won that they've, that, you know,
00:40:57
Speaker
people at welfare road have wanted like, yeah, this is the club that everybody's been waiting for. So look out and anyway that thought that this team wasn't wasn't going to be part of the conversation this year, they thought wrong. I am so happy for it. I like a million times. And for those of you who may have followed the pod from the beginning. No, I recently have had no love for Lester, but
00:41:22
Speaker
It's because they've been playing such an old style and it's been outdated. It's not fun to watch. I love watching this Leicester team, so I have nothing but positive things to say about them. Well, not all of them, but the players who are playing really well right now, fuck yeah. Absolutely. No doubt about it for me. Nick Dolly has well earned that opportunity.
00:41:47
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't even think, I'm looking at it. I'm like, is he even eligible? Cause I know he was born in Australia, but this has been living in England for a long time, a lot longer than we know about, or at least as I knew about it. I guess. Oh, well. Hey, there we go. From one shit house, three to another. There's, there's not a lot to take away from this match, unfortunately, because it was such a shit show. Um, a little bit of fight from bath.
00:42:15
Speaker
But man, as I said before, be afraid for your ship. Be very afraid. This team is this is what this is what you're going to see from Sarah. Right. More often than not with this lineup. Right now, it's it's so different when you're going to have an a toji in in in in the fall words, you're going to have an Alex Goode at 15 and Malins like.
00:42:41
Speaker
We saw Max Malins run off of Chuck and. Rads. Rads. He learned some things from them clearly as to, you know, how those lines. And now Alex Goode and he are going to fucking tear trees up and it's only going to get worse when daily comes back. Yep. And just.
00:43:08
Speaker
Yeah, they're there they have so much firepower and they were all charged Ben Earl was, you know, same, same kind of thing, you know, he needs a little bit of a boost he's not, he's not the man, but if he can relax a little bit on defense because toji is going to make a whole shitload of tackles and get his own turnovers and Earl can kind of
00:43:27
Speaker
do a little bit of defense, but then attack. We saw that they threw the ball to him and he was like his own half and he had like wide open field in front of him. He's like, I don't really want to do this, but I guess I got to do it. I got to go right before. Was it right before halftime or something? And yeah, it was like tired, but I guess I got to take this wrong. Yep. Here we go. He's that guy. So.
00:43:49
Speaker
Yeah. Just a dangerous team from, from, from salaries that are going to be problems. And that's, yeah, that's more like what you're going to see. Um, we can, and we get with as long as this lineups, what it is, especially going, going into the run and especially post six nations. I mean, the office is likely to be named missing, but still just the same.
00:44:09
Speaker
Did it seem to you that they were trying to get shakin' a try? Like they were really trying to feed him a try for something. Yeah, Roddy, here. Take it, take it. And Dom's try even like, yep. Yeah, yeah. It's just like, oh, when you're doing that to a team, you're like, hey, let Jimmy score a try. It's a bad day. It's a bad day at the office when that shit happens, man. Right. Sorry, Beth. I mean, I don't know what to do with Beth. I guess 15 excellent players.
00:44:39
Speaker
They look very lost, rudderless at this point, unfortunately.
00:44:44
Speaker
I don't know where it's chicken and the egg. Where does it start? Is it the players that aren't buying into Stuart Hooper or Stuart Hooper not making them believe or what? I don't know which one it is, honestly, but I have my suspicions. Yeah, start is they have too many good players and they've rotated too many people through who can play and do good things. And it's not. Yeah, time. It's not time to time for everybody to sit in a room and have a fucking hard conversation. Right. Period.
00:45:11
Speaker
love Stuart Hooper as a person, as a player, as a coach, I'm not sure. Yeah. To be determined. Yikes. Yeah. And they also, hopefully Ben Spencer's back this week that will help. Um, ox was excellent. Holly Fox. He's not been bad. Yeah. He's not been bad by any means whatsoever. Yeah. I mean, not that Spencer's not all fucking world, but, um, cause he's very, very, very good. But Fox has not been the problem.
00:45:41
Speaker
No, he's not, but I'm sure Spencer will bring a little bit about every, every individual player. No individual player has been the problem for Beth. Yeah. It's the whole, it's the whole thing. Right. Let's go over to Brentford and this is our first draw of the year. Yes. Pretty sure. Nope. Second, second, second. Cause London Irish were involved in the other one too. Yeah. An Irish magic goes down to the wire, huh? Can't, can't get a win.
00:46:11
Speaker
It wouldn't be anything to do with the fucker they're deploying in the tension, would it be? When you have bad leadership, you have bad results. Just saying. Just saying. Just saying. But that's like, crevies. Oh, here's my problem with Irish in this match. They were extremely selfish.
00:46:31
Speaker
Um, a lot of players are doing that. Like, you know, Oh, am I going to play it while they're in the rock thing? Um, which just fucks with the rest of the team, right? Do it or don't do it. Like I realize you're trying to fuck with the defense, but stop at some point. If you're not going to do it, just stop dicking around with it. Cause it fucks up the timing. And then there were players who weren't making the extra pass. Um,
00:46:56
Speaker
Thank you, Ted Lasso. But it's like, they would get guys who were like, not the guy, but the guy to set the edge on the attack and then spin it while the overload's outside. And they just hold it.
00:47:12
Speaker
And it's like, just make that one more pass. Like trust your teammates. They have, they have, they have an overload or a very positive situation and they weren't doing it. Um, I think the times they scored, they actually did it. So yeah. Um, I was super annoyed by that. I, I, I'd like, I thought other than that, they were playing really, really good rugby. They had, they had a lot of, um,
00:47:36
Speaker
They were doing a lot of good stuff in support. They were doing a lot of good stuff using their shapes, but make that last pass. You're killing your own attack.
00:47:47
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sure that somebody's going to be yelling at them about. Frederick Clark for Gloucester. I think he just made another tackle. Another guy that just does the grunt work and doesn't always get all the plaudits, but 22 tackles this game. He did miss a couple, but like, man, 22 out of 25 ain't bad.
00:48:08
Speaker
And, you know, just doing the work outside of that as well. Just holy shit. The guy's a workhorse and just absolutely, you know, does not care about, you know, doing that stuff. And it's it's valuable, you know, unfortunately, just didn't quite come off for them in terms of the scoreboard. But no. Well, and they're they're they're number eight Andy Good scored two.
00:48:33
Speaker
Oh, you mean Ben Morgan? Oh, okay. Or is Ben Morgan just doing an anti-good impersonation? That's what it looks like, right? Oh man, Ben, grow your beard back, dude. Jesus. I'm like, what is that? Get your beard back on. Maybe he's, it's an impression of Wilco Lo. I'm not sure, but dude needs to, um,
00:48:57
Speaker
He needs to, to, to, to tighten something. He's a, I mean, he, he scored two tries. So fair play to him. Two tries. He's, he's got four in five right now, four and five games. He's had four really good games in a row as well. So he's, this is, this is the Ben Morgan. They need to.
00:49:19
Speaker
basically every season since his last good one, which was what, three years ago, four years ago. So that's that's a little bit better for them, at least to his credit. I'm like, you know, Johnny May was a whole this this match again. You know, just just play. I mean, look, I see his name here on the score sheet. I don't know. I can't confirm that he played. I don't remember seeing him basically ever. No.
00:49:47
Speaker
Um, and Louis re salmon, other than that interception try. Um, I think his biggest contribution was also getting burned by, uh, was it the bed motor? I think her, no, it was Ollie Hassel Collins right in the lead up to the, uh,
00:50:03
Speaker
Um, Rodgers and try OHC went for a scoot around LRZ. Although LRZ was, uh, I think he was caught between two guys. I don't think it was his fault. I think he had to defend too. Um, but yeah, other than that intercept, like I'm glad he got that intercept track. Cause other than that, I would have not had good things to say about him because he didn't really do much.
00:50:24
Speaker
No, he didn't know. He didn't. So this is unfortunately what we've gotten to know for both of these teams, just not able to get the job done, you know, for the most part when it comes down to it. So it's really unfortunate, really, really unfortunate.
00:50:41
Speaker
Okay. As I noted after Quinn's sharks, um, I should be happy about that. Cause that's good for Saracens. So it's like, I really, at this point, I have to like remember what it's like to cheer for a team and what that means for the other, you know, how I feel about the other teams. I have to like, you know,
00:50:57
Speaker
remember how to care back into that mode. So it's like, look, if the Irish and Gloucester are both dangerous clubs, if they want to shit the bed, I'm not going to stop and save the Bristol. It's like, okay, Bristol say you're going to shit the bed. Yeah, right. Shit all you want. You guys are threats. Yeah.
00:51:14
Speaker
It's good enough that there's the, you know, Quinn's Lester and Northampton and that other team that, you know, Yeah. Um, yeah. So it's, uh, it's Tigers Quinn series, um, that.
00:51:29
Speaker
A great touch from Wasp, by the way, on their graphic, not putting the logo of the of of Exeter on there because it's right. It's something that they don't believe should be represented. So a great touch from them. Just a little. Yeah, we'll do a little dig. It's it's coming that way. And then you see the Gloucester fans. I'm not Gloucester. The Glasgow. Yeah, I did. You're right. They're talking about that. Like it's going to become a thing. This is not going away. So keep it up. No. People over there who. Yeah. Eventually, Tony Rose is going to have to bend over and grab ankles.
00:52:00
Speaker
And I will say I won't be mad about it. That's for sure. So that will do it for this one.
00:52:10
Speaker
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00:52:40
Speaker
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