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Season 4- Episode 19- Play the Kid (Premiership Round 13)
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It's the latest and greatest from those American rugby idiots. On this episode, we get into quite a bit. A black mark for England rugby with a player arrested and yes we believe her. We dive into some of the things in the news about the Women's game including another Eagle landing at the StoneX and the professionalizations happening in the UK and down south. We also look into the happenings in and with Japan, with all the joy they brought us in 2019, more good things happening for them. Oh yeah, they played some games over in the Premiership too, we wrap all the action from round 13 including two big wins for clubs on Sunday. Crack one open, find a nice glass to put it in, sit back and enjoy.
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Introduction and Podcast Promotion
00:00:08
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Hey, everybody, welcome back. It is the fantasy road games podcast. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Ben Glauber. I got it this time. All right. Away we go. Lots to cover. You tried it in French and that was not good. Yeah, that's why. That's the answer right there. Once again, the French screwed up. Pizza anglais. Oh, shit. Yeah. Thank you, New Cycle. Lots to talk about. So let's crack into it. Holy shit. I want to talk about. Yep. Yep. Yep. And in. Yay.
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00:01:21
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Justice System and Social Accountability
00:01:51
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As always, Black Lives Matter on this podcast, and there is no room for racism. Last week, we saw a little bit of accountability dished out with Ahmaud Arbery and the sentencing coming down on the assholes that fucking attacked him for no damn good reason. And thankfully, all of them are going to rot in jail. So stay there and don't fucking move, assholes.
00:02:20
Speaker
Yeah, it's good to see that some areas of the country are starting to get it. Now it's got to translate into not doing it in the first place. Yeah, that'd be a good start. And maybe this starts to help people see it. The problem is it encourages them when they get away with it for decade after decade after decade.
00:02:43
Speaker
And so now that there's actually justice coming, that's like, no, this is actually, like, this is illegal. You can't actually do this and there will be consequences. Suddenly that might change how people actually behave too. Because yeah, if they don't feel encouraged by the law, then maybe it'll change behavior, which will in the long run change attitudes. That's my long-term hope here. Probably too much to ask, but I'm still hopeful.
00:03:10
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Yeah. You know, fucking Minimals over here. We're keeping that bar low. We are a special country right now. Oh, yeah. Yes, yes, yes. No, no joke around about that.
Patreon Community Success Stories
00:03:28
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So, and then also more uplifting, we have our Patrion. So if you have not gotten our Patrion, um, I mean, look no further than like we said last week, Duncan as our, who got manager of the month for November. He did. And, you know, and you know, Alex is doing well. This is, I think this is Alex's first foray into for this year and he's doing quite well. And he is, you know, to lend himself in what was the top 10 the other week or got it's not played this variation ever.
00:03:57
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right? I'd say it speaks well to what that does. And he's obviously, you know, information is great. But what you do with is always is also a matter of so but still like to have the information to begin with is always nice. Right. Duncan's top eight, he's top 20. He's number 18. Still, holy shit. So he's doing well. I'm up in the third I'm 35. Okay, so we're
00:04:20
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Again, yeah. And I'm not that special at fantasy sports. My football record can tell you. I can vouch for that. Yeah, the rugby. Just, you know, it's helpful to have, you know, the kind of stats and match up details and all that stuff that is available on our Patreon. So. All right. Back to the other end of the spectrum.
Controversial Rumor in Rugby and Victim Support
00:04:48
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A former England player has been arrested and charged with rape. And to this point, it's still speculation because we haven't confirmed anything, but I believe that it might be Marlon Yard.
00:05:02
Speaker
Well, nobody's named, but that's where the math leads. And it doesn't matter who it is. And that's where the finger seems to be being pointed. That's not us saying that's who it is.
00:05:23
Speaker
It's all unfortunate on so many levels. I mean, it's a young girl. She's late teen. So I'm not sure exactly what that means. But other than yeah, still a little, little young for him. And yeah, it's enough and a 40 some year old woman. This is a weird, weird range of people. Yeah, yeah, it really is. But.
00:05:48
Speaker
What the fuck? Like why is this still happening? And yeah, why do people think this is okay? Like you're a star rugby player. You should not have to worry about that department that you still have to force yourself on someone. There's no need. You're not, yeah.
00:06:15
Speaker
Nope, nope, nope. And, you know, I, and here's the thing of it. I will believe this girl, this woman until it's proven otherwise, because I think it was somebody that tweeted it. I don't remember who it was, but it was if I believe her, and then she turns out to be, it turns out to be wrong. I believed a liar.
00:06:32
Speaker
We've all done that. If I believe the other guy, and it turns out that he's wrong, I believe the rapist. We have no impact on any of this. We're American, if you can't tell by now. It has nothing to do with our justice. We're just
00:06:55
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neutral observers here. So I have no reason to believe anybody but her. And I'm okay with that. Yep. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. So it shouldn't even be again, you're a professional, you know, professional athlete at this point, it shouldn't be. Yeah, she need me on your radar. Right. Like, you shouldn't like, and yeah, you shouldn't be putting yourself in a situation where don't someone could lie about you like this. So I'm not Yeah, no, no,
00:07:26
Speaker
No worries on this one. I believe absolutely that this happened. And we'll see. Maybe by the time this podcast comes out, they will have named him. But yeah, maybe. We'll see who it is for sure. And yeah, bad, bad shit. Bad luck either way. Real, yeah. Bad luck either way.
Challenges in European Rugby Scheduling
00:07:47
Speaker
Um, so European rugby has come down with a decision for the round two matches, which they thought they were magically going to pull, you know, more time out of their butts, which nobody thought that was going to happen. Um, so they declared them all draws, which we'll go over what that looks like later on. Um, but yeah, so it's.
00:08:11
Speaker
Nobody's going to be happy with it either way. I don't love it. But at the same time, I'm like, all right, let's just get the fuck off of this goddamn thing, please. Yeah. You know, nothing to be done in the end. Right. Yeah. It's just one of those things where it's like, well, I just wish they hadn't been. Oh, we're going to reschedule them. It's like, I don't think you're going to reschedule them. Yeah, no, that's no bother saying that next time. Right. Yeah. Let's be real. Let's be real kids.
Player Movements and Women's Rugby Progress
00:08:40
Speaker
Let's move on to other news player movement. I love Kelter from the United States Eagles is moving to Saracens and this is awesome. It is fantastic all around. Obviously we love both rugby organizations, so we love when they merge and they work together. It usually works out very well for everybody involved, so. I guess my only question is where does she play? Senator flanker, yeah.
00:09:07
Speaker
Right, it's one of the two. I'm going with flanker is what I'm, I would put her there if I were Saracens, just because she's very contact oriented. Quite a tackler, good with ball in hand, but not like
00:09:24
Speaker
the, you know, the link in the chain of the backs, I think, at the moment. Yeah, looks for contact a little too much. So yeah, that's not the most ideal thing to do in space. So and especially for playing in at a level like this, which is
00:09:41
Speaker
equivalent to, you know, for what she's used to, um, you know, the national team, these guys, these, these women are, are no fucking joke. No, not at all. So it's not like, you know, she's going to overpower people. Um, you know, like some of the competition she'd face here. Yeah. And then she's not center. It's like, yeah, no worries. You just run through the centers and you just truck them. Yeah. If that was the case, obviously. But that's not right. That's not going to be the case with at that level.
00:10:10
Speaker
Nope, not at all. All right. And then we had some, some exciting news and I'll actually loop, loop two organizations into this, um, signed contracts for the Welsh women, um, this, this week or today, even, which is fantastic. Include one of them, including, um, uh, jazz Joyce, which is, I mean, that's a duh, no brainer, no brainer at all. Yeah, not at all. And then obviously the captain little crap is also.
00:10:39
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been signed to a professional deal, which is great. It's a step forward. So take note, Ireland. I mean, come on. And you know, well, Wales don't have everything perfect. And that's not a mystery. That's kind of a known thing. But this is a good start for them, at least. I'm trying to explain to and it goes, you know, we did talk about the jerseys before, but kind of goes back to that. Like, I feel like the organizations are starting to get it. Like, even if they're still out of touch old men,
00:11:10
Speaker
sorry, out of touch old white men. They're starting to understand that they can't just ignore it. They've ignored it for decades now. And they're getting to the point where they're like, you know what? Okay, you know what? You're right. We saw that with the jerseys. We're seeing that with contracts. And the other one was the black ferns. The New Zealand women, now professional.
00:11:34
Speaker
Like this is good stuff. Like 30 players. Right. That's great. That gives you a heck of a core to work from. If you're,
Player Development and Team Challenges
00:11:43
Speaker
you know, if you're a New Zealand rugby and that and that coaching team to know that that group of women's only job is to play and that's it. Right now. And I think this will obviously trickle down to the competition that we're going to see later on.
00:11:58
Speaker
Um, this, this year here with them as well. So that'll, you know, that'll translate to the, those organizations as well. Yeah. So I'm not being paid too bad of a bit of scratch. So up to 130,000, I thought. Yeah. For some of the high end ones. I'm not, I'm not, I would be sad about that. Honestly, like, yeah. Yeah. That's an upgrade for me. I know that, uh, not giving too much away. I don't think.
00:12:24
Speaker
But yeah, so that's great. Yeah, he can't ask for anything better in that in that case, just professionalization of the of these players and letting them do their job as rugby players only and not let them not make them worry about anything else because it's hard. You know, yeah, and it is very hard.
00:12:42
Speaker
And then on the hard side. Yeah, like we've seen with the MP Durham. Oh, well, oh, fuck. Yeah. Yeah. I mentioned to be Pam with being hurt and doing like, yes, she's doing so much stuff. Yeah. And that's that's a perfect case right there. She's such a great athlete as well. Right. And you hope she can, you know, turn the page in her career and not that being a doctor is a bad thing, but certainly takes time away from playing her her sport. So, yeah.
00:13:10
Speaker
Yeah, and then we dive into the DMP Durham issue, you know, those that didn't know don't know or didn't watch. DMP Durham took another pretty heavy loss in this the season in this time to Saracens and the the the shit that came out initially was just really stupid and it's like really like these
00:13:28
Speaker
Like it's sitting, do you think these women are not working hard? Like who honestly believes that? If you're that stupid, then you're one of the people that we don't need and you can just, you know, leave, go find an island and stay there, please. You know, just don't fucking hell, you know, no internet service.
00:13:46
Speaker
Right. And it's not it isn't fair. We've we've all if look, if you've been a part of Club Rugby, you've seen this before. And it's not you don't shame that team, you just say, OK, they're they're going through a rough patch. But, you know, it's more often than not.
00:14:01
Speaker
those teams rebound and, you know, if you can develop players and fuck, we can, we've seen that the players that are associated with them, um, up to an, including the world women's player of the year this year. So we all across right. Right. Recently, like this is a fucking quality, you know, 15 that they've had just in the, you know, in the last five years, you know, that that's that have either, you know, rotated out. Certainly. McLean was playing for them at one point too. Right. Um,
00:14:32
Speaker
It's not, yeah. Exactly. Like these are, these are quality players and that's a, you know, um, Ellie Bloor said that's a, um, that's a quality, you know, that's a, that's a 15 right there, you know, and that's, you, you can't lose that without suffering consequences. And, but you also can build it. If you can build it once you can build it twice. It's the teams like, you know, Bristol, who are,
00:15:01
Speaker
just learning to build it, that it's cool. That's fun. The team like sharks, yeah, they're going through it down here. They'll build, they'll get okay again. It'll get better. Right. And then, I don't know if you happen to see the video with Mackenzie Thomas, who plays for Canada, also is a DMP shark. And she's definitely of the belief that
00:15:24
Speaker
they're not getting the support they should. And I think it's really hard to argue against that. Honestly, there's, you know, modem park are nationally one side and they are getting more support than these women are. And I find that to be a bit of a crime, honestly, and not to shoot on nationally one, but to talk about a team that's playing in the top end of the of
00:15:46
Speaker
of the bracket here with the Allianz Premier 15s in the women. And you're talking about a team that's playing in, what, the third tier of England? Right. Why would you give that? Like, they should get equal support at the minimum. And I'm not saying you need to tip the scales one way or the other. But I think when it feels like it's a gross, you know, imbalance, that's the problem.
00:16:07
Speaker
So, which has been the problem the whole fucking time, but you know, that's not really anything. So yeah, I just, yeah. And so if you haven't seen the video or if you haven't seen the, the lineup that Ellie Moore put out, I just, it's out there. Promise. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, unfortunately. Um, yeah, just sad situation over there. I think they'll get, they'll come good. They just, they need support and they've also had the same too.
00:16:34
Speaker
Yeah, that's the other thing. But maybe this, you know, them raising a stink about it. Like, I mean, the Alliance Premiere 15 has grown leaps and bounds over the past five years, too. So it's almost as though they had, like they said, they had good players.
00:16:55
Speaker
They kind of went backwards, whereas other teams went forwards. A lot of other teams went forwards. And it's maybe one of those situations that I was just talking about where it's the old white men in charge who are favoring the men because that's what they've always done through their whole careers.
00:17:13
Speaker
And now they're like, oh, wait, no, this is visible. Like everybody's seeing what we're doing. Like what, you know, and it matters that then we'll see some change. So it's apparent. Right. You can't you can't look away from this now. Yeah. So no good. Good. You know, I'm glad that the players are speaking up. I'm glad that that, you know, on all sides and, you know, although stop giving the players shit. Yeah. They need to shut up. Those people need to shut up. Everyone else can just shut up. Yeah.
00:17:40
Speaker
Yeah, keep giving the positivity and demanding more. I agree. I agree. Other developing things.
Japan League One Broadcasts and Accessibility
00:17:49
Speaker
Japan League One is now actually going to be broadcast over here for two matches a week on the rugby network, which is great. I have to say, I'm not going to be a Shining Arc fan. I didn't see the matches this weekend. Well, they are employing a certain former Australia fullback.
00:18:06
Speaker
Oh, oh, that's right. So can't say that I'm into that. And somebody has come out and said, and I think it must it must have been a Tongan writer saying how Tongan need to accept him back. I was like, no, it's kind of like if Ireland accepted dipshit over in Brentford back, people are good. And I don't know if Tongan fans will feel the same way. They may not. But for me, I'm just going to be hard against Tonga if that fucker is playing for him. That's all I know. So sorry, guys. Like, I'm all for the Islanders doing better.
00:18:36
Speaker
Fuck that guy though. Speaking of which, speaking of that guy, did you see that Squidge registered his name.com? And if you go to it, it directs to Squidge's YouTube account? No, I didn't. That's awesome. That is fantastic. Well done, Squidge. Well done. Pretty funny.
00:18:57
Speaker
Well done. It's nice to have access to rugby that not everyone has access to. I feel kind of like, oh, the tables have turned. Hello. Yeah, I think you can just watch, you know, top 14. Well, we get to... Oh, please, please. I beg somebody to carry that over here again. Yes, please. But yeah, so that was great. I did watch the Steelers and the Shining Arcs. Sounds like the match I should have watched with the Sunglyeth match though. That was...
00:19:26
Speaker
Yeah. That's like 40 to 60 or something like that. Whoo. Proper rugby. Yeah. So it's, it'll be cool. I enjoyed the first match that I watched. So I definitely will be watching a little bit more, especially on weekends where it's like, where things are a little bit drab, or I'm just feeling like watching rugby and I haven't watched some of it yet. So exactly. Good stuff. Also, also, also for Japan, the reports are that they're going to be able to join.
00:19:54
Speaker
The TRC, um, the rugby championship, which would be great. Um, that's the Blake we talked about probably about five, five or six weeks ago. That's their place. That's their place. So that that's awesome.
00:20:09
Speaker
I see nothing but good things for, one, that competition, and two, them, joining into that. Being able to play regularly against high-end opposition on a consistent basis is so key for that. I can't wait to see what that does for them because they're already a really good team. Right. It obviously doesn't prevent them from participating in the Autumn Internationals, too. They can do all of that.
00:20:32
Speaker
You know, assuming they can support it. But yeah, I mean, I'm sure I'm sure they can manage it to a point at least. I would hope they're doing well after the the World Cup and correct the infusion of excitement in Japan and even for Japan outside of Japan. So, yeah, I agree. I agree. I agree. I still think baseball is taking it along with soccer, but it'll get up there. Yeah, up there. Can't expect it all to be overnight.
00:21:03
Speaker
All right.
Match Reviews and Tactical Analyses
00:21:05
Speaker
There were games this weekend, weren't there? I recall some. Yeah. Let's go to Friday night. Ashton gave Bristol in sale. Yeah, just a little bit better from Bristol. And this is the finished product, not the finished product, but this is, you know, the type of thing they need to get themselves going again. Yes, it is. I mean, like, to me, it starts with Callum Sheedy.
00:21:32
Speaker
Um, played much better and really, you know, attack sales line and, um, not just, but I mean, and I mean that not just running at the line, but, um, attacking the space in the line really, really well. Um, big step up from him. Absolutely. Randall still needs a little bit of help with the boot.
00:21:51
Speaker
I agree. Yep. Yep. But I do love his energy. You got to love the energy that you get from Harry Randall. Like he is, his impetus is very high. He wants, he wants to go. He wants to attack. He wants to take it at the defense. He has great intent, great intent. And that's, that's really key from a scrum half. So the rest of the stuff, it'll work out.
00:22:11
Speaker
Yeah, it'll call on the police. How old is he? He's 24. 24. I mean, little, you know, which would make sense. He's he's plays like about a 24 year old. He's he'll get there like in three years. He's going to be a fucking wizard. Almost there. Almost there. The way he's going. Yeah. And sharks are a little bit something to say.
00:22:32
Speaker
You and Ashwin tried at the beginning was, uh, rather dazzling, especially considering who was involved. I know. Right. Jeez. It seems like that. Right. Um, yeah. Our boy AJ was involved in that one. Yes, he was just damn good. Yeah. Um, I was a little,
00:22:54
Speaker
I was a little disappointed with Curry in that yellow card. She did that suit so obviously and purposely. I'm like, are you an international professional? Shouldn't you be a little bit more sly with that shit and not so obvious? Come on, man. That's Jono Ross type stuff. I kind of expected to see a six out of seven there. Yeah, right? That was just going to have been, no, but it's not Ross. Where'd that come from?
00:23:23
Speaker
Yeah, just a little bit more. And, you know, and everything apart from, you know, the usual customers you expect in the forward pack, a lot of the good things that go through sale go through AJ. Well, it's not really a mystery at this point.
00:23:44
Speaker
No, it's not. Yeah, he's involved in everything good. So somehow he was stepping in at nine. He was he was fucking everywhere. Yeah. Somehow can you clone him? Yeah. Because you need another one out there. You need another one out there. They do. They need they desperately need help in the backs. Yeah. So we'll see if this is, you know, how Bristol go into this weekend. I think they they hosting start or they at the there.
00:24:12
Speaker
Hold on. They're hosting. That's what I thought I was going to say. Yeah, that means a lot. Yeah, that's right. That's why they couldn't play, right? Because they couldn't travel to France or something like that. It was either or. So yeah. So yeah, we'll see. We'll see if they carry this in. And I mean, their spot in Jamby's Cup is favorable still. They're in fifth in their pool.
00:24:40
Speaker
Hold on. Nope, no, I'm sorry. Oh wait, no, I was looking around too dumb ass. Okay. Way to go. There we go. Way to go. Way to go over there. Yeah. So yeah, well, I hope, I hope it gives them a little bit more spurred on and we'll see what, but they're, I mean, they're, they're in.
00:24:58
Speaker
They're, you know, they're both in fourth, tied for at this point, and there are only two points out of first. So what's not to play for? Absolutely. Yeah, they'll go for it. Yeah, I don't see any reason not to, especially with the way the prem is going for them. You know, top four is not looking likely. So maybe see what you can do in the Champions Cup. Throw everything into that while it's available. Yep. I agree. And then Quinn's an Exeter.
00:25:27
Speaker
And then and it's okay, so before I'm going to get this out of the way first because I've just been really annoyed with a lot of things going on in the right-wing Twitterverse. Shocker of the day. And it just needs to be said. And, you know, as much as
00:25:45
Speaker
People were out there on Friday night, shitting on Red Radra, saying how bad he is or how overrated he is. He's off this year. It's not a shock. He's been injured for a good six months or something like that, or whatever it was. But he played pretty well on Friday. Yeah. So people that are just like, oh, he's so overrated. Like, how many of them are checking themselves right now with this fucking Exeter team? Because let's be real, it's shit.
00:26:09
Speaker
It is. And, you know, they bear they were lucky to have what they had. It was the weather favored them. Oh, huge. And they still lost, which is right, which speaks volumes. You know, you look at this, yours garbage. No, he's not an international player anymore. Get him the fuck out of here. Devoto, when he's played, has been poop even before his injury. Yours goes backwards. Like all this stuff about he likes to take it into account. OK, well, he gets fucking tackled backwards a lot.
00:26:35
Speaker
for a guy who's supposedly that good. Right. And then Johnny Hill, I don't know what the fuck he adds. Fuck him. Giannis Kirsten, that's a joke of a flanker. No way. Sergio is way off from where he was. Why people think Ian Witten is worth the fucking role that he is. I haven't got a clue. I want no part of the front row either apart from their hookers. Like LCD, Yandell, and Inert all day. I will take them. The rest of them can all fucking suck it. Like this whole team, you know, let's pile on to a guy, though, that's, you know,
00:27:04
Speaker
put put butts in seats and butts them out of seats when he does something well, just because he's come off an injury and he went to the Olympics to win to help win his country a gold medal. Yeah. Like fuck off. Right. You know, yeah. So people that are friggin sitting there and bemoaning how overrated Rod Ryder is, check yourself on these fucking guys because they suck. Yeah. And this guy doesn't play very much, but I want to make a point of it. You're safe. Scott got
00:27:33
Speaker
absolutely made his to be a Marcus Smith's bitch. Yes. Yeah. And he stuck his nose in there a couple of times. Not once, sir. Twice. On two nonconsecutive occasions. Marcus Smith just shoved Josefa Scott around. I think the second time Josefa Scott, you know, one he had some he had some someone, you know, help him out, wipe his bum for him. But yeah, Marcus Smith was like, I got your number. And like in a in a ruck.
00:28:03
Speaker
I mean, that's, you know, these guys are, they're good on the front foot, but you, you know, it's one of those, um, as I've said many times about exit or every, you know, um, everybody's got a plan to get punched in the face and they're taking a lot of face shots and not coming away with a lot of answers. Yeah. And when you get it, you know, yeah, we haven't gotten to the game yet. Sorry. I'm starting to talk about the game itself. Yeah. But like.
00:28:30
Speaker
You said like you're selecting Ian Whitten. What the fuck are you selecting, Ian Whitten? And then when you get a card, you take out your- Cordero? Are you kidding me? That's the guy you take out? Yeah. So the guy is lightning in a bottle and he's a try waiting to happen from anywhere on the pitch. And you take that fucking guy out? Are you kidding me? And in these conditions, you want that guy. You need that guy. Because it's like- It's way easy. If you can manufacture a try like certain teams did at the end, you win.
00:29:01
Speaker
And how many times like, you know, the weather favored them. How many times?
00:29:08
Speaker
Did Harlequins have a try in their hands and just... Oh, yeah, just... And they stayed ambitious with everything they were doing. And it could have resulted in a way bigger score line, too. Right. The near mistake passes. One or two more passes gone well. A couple of things would go to hand, and this game is out of hand. Totally. Not a two-point match. Because really, yeah, the Quins could have scored like...
00:29:37
Speaker
you know, 25 to 28 more points. No problem. Could Exeter have scored more than many more points than they did? No, they, they barely had the ball. Maybe two more points. They barely had the ball in the right spot. Yeah. But that way, you know, um, and then, yeah, let's just get to the frigging red card because it was obviously a talking point. Um,
00:30:01
Speaker
Here's the thing, Sam Simmons was going to be fine 100% with that clear out. He was going in on the angle that you need to go in on when you have somebody like that. He was going to put Joe Marlar on his bum. Although he was coming in from the side. At an angle, which is something that I find appropriate. He didn't engage Marlar on his shoulder. I thought he hit him on the side, which is what made it to me coming in from the side because he got Marlar on his waist.
00:30:28
Speaker
which kind of says you're coming in from the side, pretty obviously. Yeah, he might have, yeah. But either way, it was gonna, it wouldn't have been dirty or anything like that. It would have been fairly clean. So in terms of legalities and dirtiness and all that stuff, then Alec Hepburn comes in and decides to fuck shit up and just, nope, I'm gonna drop him and be done. Like when you have somebody's leg in your hand,
00:30:52
Speaker
And it's up by your shoulders. The last thing you should do is let go and drop it like Jesus and more out from a, from a prop, no less to another prop. Like there, there's certain things you just know. Cause you, yeah. Cause like,
00:31:11
Speaker
there's the unwritten rules of scrummaging and prop caring for each other. Like, yeah, you're enemies and you want to fight, you know, you want to kick the shit out of them. But if this if the scrum starts going bad, yet you work with the other guy. And yeah, you got to write you don't want to break anybody's now you don't want to do anything stupid like that. And this to me was that same kind of, you know, just just callous disregard. That was an easy read.
00:31:37
Speaker
Yeah, I thought Simmons maybe deserved a yellow as well on my end, but I'm not going to argue because the red was enough. Yeah, the red was well deserved. And okay, fine. Yeah. All right. I'm not going to argue. It was either like a red. Yeah. It had to be a red too. Yeah. All day. All day, all day. And in the end, yeah, it's ugly as hell in terms of the score line, but really, you know,
00:32:02
Speaker
The Queens were the better team, and there's no way around it. There really isn't. Andre Esterhazen is...
00:32:08
Speaker
Absolutely fucking amazing. And he just continues to show up. And I don't even know what I'm out. I'm out of things to say about him. He's fucking awesome. You know, like everybody is at this point. I mean, it was my 12th of the year. So, you know, for for stuff like this. He's he's really good. And Taron Green, how contrast that with first off, how good is everybody? He's a beer. Right. How good does he have to be to to to be in a position to throw some
00:32:39
Speaker
Near miss passes. Yes, he owes everybody a fucking beer. Yeah, he owes everybody a couple of cases of beer at this point with that one. Yeah, it was bad. It was bad, but he, you know, he put himself in that position nine times after he was going to finish. That was a bad day. That was a bad day. He's one of those guys who, like, if he fucks that up, you don't say, put that away. You say, no, no, no, keep doing it. We'll hit it. It'll work. Yeah, it'll get there. It'll get there. Just keep going. Keep going.
00:33:06
Speaker
So yeah, Quinn's Quinn's win and they stay they stay in the top four. Good for them. Over to the stone X.
Key Matches and Team Performances
00:33:15
Speaker
Look no further than the period of time where there were two yellow cards. And that is the answer to this whole game. As frustrated as I was with Carl Dixon and the TMO, that is the answer to the whole game. There's not enough ambition from the series to... No, they're playing King Tennis. Yes. 13 players on the other side. 13. Run at them.
00:33:37
Speaker
Like at least, you know, if you want to play, you can, you can work your way back into kick tennis. Yeah. But gloss, we're sitting back. They're like, Oh, they want to do this. Let our guys just stand at midfield and they're back three. We'll just play with the ball a little bit. Like for three minutes or so, it felt like, and it's like, that's such valuable time that sari's just pissed away. I was like, you know what? They don't deserve to win. Like right there. I was like, there was no, no desire to win the game.
00:34:04
Speaker
Yeah, and even even Roddy said the fans were getting on. Oh, yeah, they were getting annoyed by it. Good Lord. Were they ever even Ritami Shagan said? Yeah, we were flat. Like we didn't have it today. And I don't blame them. I am so so over even on sale. Come on. Start Ruben Dahas. Like let's go. There's no way it's going to be worse. There's no fucking way it's going to be worse. Good God. It's just.
00:34:34
Speaker
I get sick every time I watch it a little bit. It's just not good stuff. And again, he comes in and the score tries afterwards.
00:34:44
Speaker
Yeah, I was Yeah, there was so many annoying things about this on top of each other on top of each other. Full credit to Gloucester for coming in and rocking up and taking it to them. And they play this is speak so such high volumes to where they from where they are now to where they were a year ago, we talked about last week when they when they gave it to Quinn's and almost came out with the right on the right side of it. But this, you know, and then this week doing doing the job at the stone X, which is a place that they have not won yet.
00:35:13
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. 13 years in particular. Yeah. Loads of credit to them. Loads and loads of credit to them. No question about it. For all the people, again, if we can tie this back to our theme, apparently, of this evening, Bristol Bears. You want to talk shit about Bristol? Well, Gloucester were good, and then they had it down here last year.
00:35:33
Speaker
And they're ready to rock this year. You know, they're solid top four. They're not going anywhere. They made this state. This is a big fucking statement. How about Jack Singleton too? With the resurgent year, big time. Big time. Yeah, just like these guys are ready to rock and there's not much of a personnel change from last year.
00:35:55
Speaker
No, it's just it was getting himself into it. And this is, this is the one thing that's always baffled me. And it's why people
00:36:04
Speaker
why teams and clubs and coaching staffs of all professional sports are willing to sack somebody within two years, like two years or less, barring like outside issues like you see the Jacksonville Jaguars and their coach that they can this year. That's an issue that I totally get and yes, needs to be done. Same, same. Absolutely. Although I think you've been there for a few years at this point anyway. Yeah. Or the Giants. Give these guys
00:36:30
Speaker
I can't look at the Dolphins. Look at the Dolphins. They get they they fired their coach after two winning seasons completely in Miami, in Miami. You're like bad. Like you have two winning seasons as a coach in Miami. They fucking build statues of you these days and.
00:36:47
Speaker
And he, you know, they fire like, I don't get it. Like, you know, like, let let the guy get get his stuff together or her stuff together and and let it build. You know, I feel like Guzy was a little they pulled the trigger on him. Just maybe a hair early. Yeah. I mean, it worked out all right in the end. It worked out OK.
00:37:09
Speaker
Um, so, but it's still, it was still like, you know, hearing Guzy, you know, see them as they were playing after he got fired and be like, this is what I wanted from them. It's like.
00:37:21
Speaker
Oh, maybe maybe, you know, but it just didn't have the right words or something. Who knows? Yeah. Who knows where it was. So also a first time coach is also one of those like it's tough. Yeah, it's tough. And you got to learn how to it's not just this is how I want you to play. It's got to help them to play that way and really work to instill it.
00:37:45
Speaker
It's a craft to learn how to sculpt that. It really is. And then one more note before we move on to the next one. Theo McFarland. Dallas Jackals, you guys are fucking morons. Like, to never find a way to hang on to this kid. And I'm so glad that Saracen stuck a punt on him because I'm already in love with this boy. I really am. He's gonna grow into, you know,
00:38:11
Speaker
Nick Asiqui and Will Stelton status very soon, like just near and dear to our hearts. And we're going to just enjoy him. We'll try watching him every day of the week. It's going to be so much fun. I really love it. So, you know, good for him getting his first try for the prem. Like I said, tell us you guys are idiots to not like they they didn't even find this guy a team to play for last year when they could have and they like they just sat on their hands. I was like, you guys are idiots. Like, like you did a freejax. You did a freejax. You did a.
00:38:39
Speaker
Um, a lock. Could you imagine if Theo came to the free, if somebody, you know, put that in, taken him all day. Yeah. Nope. Nope. I would have been so happy with that. He can come back if he wants. That's not, I'm not going to argue. I mean, look at, look at what long-term play time did for Kenrati and, um, some of some of Audra. They've both got professional contracts elsewhere now.
00:39:02
Speaker
Yeah. You know, and that's, that's just brilliant. So that's what it was about. So sorry, Dallas, you guys are stupid. No shock there. Dallas is kind of stupid in general. And it's Dallas and smart Cuban. Actually, I kind of like him.
00:39:16
Speaker
Yeah. I like him a lot. Fuck. Yeah. It's also a rugby guy. Yeah, exactly. It's kind of why. It kind of makes sense. All right. Let's go up to the tune. Newcastle, Northampton. We thought this would be kind of a slobber knocker and it's kind of one sided. Someone got slobbered and somebody got knockered. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
00:39:39
Speaker
This is a little bit more of the saints that we've been hoping for, for the last few weeks. And it's come out in just a hat full of tries. The, um, the kind of skills and try that set up by Matt amazing. My Lord. That was beautiful. Oh, that was glorious to watch matter. AC do that. Love it to watching that. Yeah. Got to, got to love a front row, um, making shit happen.
00:40:05
Speaker
And really, it's, you know, it for me to in Newcastle had some some points where they could have been resurgent. And, you know, they still had some good moments. But like. I still look at that 10 shirt and go, yeah, I'm like, what the fuck? Did you really need Joel Hodgson for this? Did you really need it or or Brett Conin, for that matter? Yeah. Yeah. Put put in the kid. Yeah. Put put somebody young and guys like we'll talk about
00:40:34
Speaker
these two, uh, these other two kids would look at like Finn Smith and Orlando Bailey for their clubs right now. And yes, things aren't going super well for their clubs, but they're developing and you can see it right before your eyes. Um, and match time is what's going to do it. Yeah. And Gareth Simpson, I mean, he's 24, but still getting better. Yes. Yeah. I agree. I mean, playing time helps and, and really. Yeah. When, when you can afford it and
00:41:04
Speaker
I get the feeling that Newcastle can afford it right now. Yeah, I don't know what Team Richard is really looking at right now because he's not making top four. No, no, no, no, no, no shot at it, especially not after this. So time to take, you know.
00:41:22
Speaker
You really need to get to Champions Cup that badly. I think you can hold off on that. That's one of the things that helps with no relegation. You just say, you know what, kid, go fucking fuck up, but fuck up big. Learn to play. Try to play rugby.
00:41:39
Speaker
make the mistakes, learn from them, and you're not really hurting us because we're not going anywhere, but you'll do some awesome shit and we'll be better in the long run. Yeah, I agree. I thought, I thought tournament played pretty damn well in this match too, as well for, for the Saints.
00:41:59
Speaker
For a fullback, he's pretty up and down. Yeah, he knows how to get up and down. Up and down. Up and down. Like, this was up. Like, he can have some fucking matches where you're just like, wow, this guy's all, now I see why he's international. And then every other time you're like, poo. This guy would, we're a jury. What? No. So.
00:42:25
Speaker
Consistency, please, Mr. Fervank. Yes, that'll do. That'll do pig. Yeah. Good to see Tommy Farron back in as we as we predicted, he would be back soon. So there you go. He is back. Good to see him. Good to see him back. All right. Let's shoot over to Sunday and the mighty mighty wasps get it done and they slay the tiger. Wow. Just I mean,
00:42:50
Speaker
Hell of a shift from everybody from 1 to 20. Unfortunately, not all 23 go on. But, you know. 1 to 21. 1 to 21. That got on the field for the loss. Just hell of a shift. Proud moments for everybody in that team. That tackle. I wanted to highlight somebody mentioned it and I don't remember who. I can't remember who exactly he tackled.
00:43:13
Speaker
like 80th minute or so be yellow with a cover tackle. I will go make this one more tackle. It might have been Freddie.
00:43:30
Speaker
It's like, I had a coach one time, he said, heroes are the guys who just hang on one minute longer. And it's like, you know, for something like that, that's, that's what it takes is, is that one, do you have the, that desire to literally, and the funny thing is if you watch what he did, he ran three steps and just throw a shoulder. Like it's not as though he like made some superhuman effort, but it's like, it's just that little bit. Just do the, do the normal thing. Just do the normal thing. Take three steps, throw the shoulder in, take them down.
00:44:00
Speaker
You're done. And then for you, the game is over because you can just say there in the right, you know, you can roll away and kind of just relax. And by the time the ball gets around you again, it's either in the in the try zone or someone's kicking it in touch. So I do want I do want to come to the defense of the Leicester captain, Alice Genj.
00:44:21
Speaker
people are just like getting after him after his little incident on the end. Listen, he saw a little bit of the redness. Thankfully, not too much of it. Yeah, everybody has those moments. Thankfully, it wasn't too much. And he didn't do anything too stupid. Right. But you know, and he he admitted, my emotions got the better of me. And he knows better. He apologized to Steve Borthwick. He apologized to the team. He understands, you know, and he understands the difference between him getting a yellow card there. And Tommy Raffel's yellow card are very different. And one is effort. One is just stupidity. And he understands that.
00:44:51
Speaker
I could not tell you how many times I wanted to slap this guy when he was first starting out. And in the last probably three years or two years, I really enjoy everything he's brought to the table. I totally understand why he is on the England squad, why he should be their first choice tight head, maybe Marler, but I think he gets a loose head. No. Yeah, sorry. Did I say tight head? Loose head. That's okay. Everybody wants to be a tight head. I am a loose head.
00:45:22
Speaker
I'll finish that for you. Dench has been under serious pressure too. I think that's really what's coming out. He's the captain of Leicester. His team is undefeated. You are as you're saying. He's England's first choice at one.
00:45:46
Speaker
It should be anyway. That's there's a lot going on. And apparently, you know, it's come out that he's he's going to Bristol for family reasons, too. And so obviously, things are going on. It's not like he wanted to make this move. So things are going on with him.
00:46:01
Speaker
There's a lot of pressure on him in his career. And he's had a little bit of the assholes the last two weeks as a result of it. So hopefully this is a little bit of a cooling off period. I think it's a blip. It's just a blip, honestly. Like if you can just take this as Alex Ganj being the normal person that he is and being an excellent rugby player, an excellent leader and all that stuff and just chalk it up to a couple of blips. Because if you look across the whole freaking weekend, there were a lot of blips.
00:46:31
Speaker
So yeah, cut him a break. Yeah. You know, you helmets out there that are fucking trying to pile onto them. Right. And just let it go. Yeah. He's done enough. He's done enough. He deserves positivity and just be like, dude, come on. You'll get to be all right. Like we understand. But, you know, do better. Yeah, absolutely. He knows. And he knows. He will. Yeah.
00:46:54
Speaker
Yeah. And, and, you know, to credit to was they were just unrelenting, especially in defense, obviously, especially on their 22 in the last five minutes or so probably got away with one or two things, but let's be real. Probably fucked up a few things on the other end too. So right. He balances out. Right. He, I thought, I thought in the end it balanced out a lot. I thought he was,
00:47:14
Speaker
There was a lot of Tom Foley going on. And and. You just kind of had to roll with it. It's the better team, the team that deserve to win one. Great agreed. I do think it's kind of funny how. Flats writes a piece. Saying how George Ford is England's 10 or the best at 10 England kind of lays down a bit of a stinker and Marcus Smith does what he does against.
00:47:43
Speaker
one of the better teams in England and the team that everybody adores for whatever stupid reason. And one puts in a good performance, puts in a good shift, gets physical. That's not something George Ford is forteed for. His white uniform was pretty white at the end. I'm not going to lie.
00:48:05
Speaker
At least I thought it was maybe maybe my eyes. It wasn't it wasn't sub clean, but it was clean. It wasn't as clean as, say, Freddie Burns, but at the same time, pretty sure. Yeah. Well, Freddie, Freddie Burns didn't play. Oh, right. Oh, OK. Now I get what you're at. Now I get it. Yes. But yeah, it certainly wasn't as dirty as anybody else. So no, no, I agree. I agree. I agree. OK. And then let's hop over to the wreck.
00:48:36
Speaker
The bathmen have done it. They're finally not windless. An early red from a prop, but. Red all day too. Yeah.
00:48:48
Speaker
Jonathan Thomas, like, what are you, what are you watching? What are you watching? I'm looking at that. And as I'm watching it, I'm like, all right. Yeah. Will Stewart has a decent sidestep, but Sutherland's positioning sucks all day. It doesn't matter what's going on. Will Stewart, like he's upright and he's just being dumb. Like, you know, and maybe it's just a rush of the blood to the head or whatever it is, but it was another one.
00:49:12
Speaker
The same exact hit, and I said this at the time, the same exact hit that Augustus put on Billy Vuna Polar. Correct. And I'm like, hey, shocker of the day, they both missed their pitches this past weekend. Yes. Oh, just going to point that out. And that's that's kind of the reason that they made these tackles. Correct. Because it's not. No, they want it. They need.
00:49:35
Speaker
you know you can't do that because even if you get away with it you shouldn't be you should get away with it you shouldn't get away with it so correct correct correct yeah that's it's got to go because we don't need players and we don't need players doing that to their heads so um just
00:49:52
Speaker
just laziness, sheer laziness, and first minute from a prop. You can't do that to your team. You can't be lazy that early in the mesh. Wait 20 minutes, then you can be like, oh, it's a prop. This is just goonery.
00:50:13
Speaker
Just a wee bit. Uh, it was, uh, you know, and you said it's like, it was kind of shit house or anybody at the same time. Like it was entertaining as shit. Yeah. Like these were not hot. This was not high quality performance, but it was entertaining rugby. It was, it was. I agree. It was trying to play the rugby as best they could. And, um,
00:50:39
Speaker
Yeah, making a match of it, making it certainly something you wanted to sit back and enjoy. Right, like we had the Rocco try, and then we had the Chocot try, and I was like, all right, game on. This thing is going to be entertaining. Let's go. It is, yeah. It was.
00:50:57
Speaker
It was, it was, uh, I'm happy for Beth that they could, um, walk up and get it done. Yeah. You know, you, you just want to feel bad. You want to feel bad for the team and yep. Finally got it done and got over the line. Stewart, who were made the wise move of not sticking Mike Williams into there when the game was online.
00:51:13
Speaker
Very smart. Like there's one of those like there's the red card is about it's in the water. Yeah. Yeah. There's something going on out there. I'm not going to put out the walking yellow card slash red card that I have on my bench. Right. Thank you. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah, I thought
00:51:34
Speaker
So I want to point this out and I feel so bad. Pormar and Gilliam thought Wilmour was on the attacking wing. And it was this kid, Freddie, who made his debut. Very similar builds to give Gilliam a break, but never really corrected himself. And I feel so bad. And he was a very, very late sob. He was a sob like kick off, basically. So I'm thinking that might've just been his notes or whoever his spotter was.
00:52:03
Speaker
Yeah. What might may have just been saying mirror and he just went with it because that was that was who would, you know, you would look at the number, not the name. Oh, he was totally. And I agree. That's probably when there was no name on it, right. It was late enough that they couldn't get a name on it. So that might have been why. Because I was like, oh, that is me. And I didn't I didn't realize till later it wasn't him. No, it wasn't him. It wasn't him. And hopefully, hopefully pretty parents weren't watching because that was his debut and he played pretty well.
00:52:32
Speaker
I was like, okay, this kid's got some talent. I was impressed. And you see the two teams here that are playing in, these are considered probably two of the worst teams in the league, even if it's not by the standings completely.
00:52:49
Speaker
You see the pieces that a lot of these teams have. No bristles ahead. Yeah. Okay, so there you go. So there you go. They are the two worst teams in the league. So the two worst teams, but there's a lot to like about these teams. So it's not to say that you want to throw them away and put them in the bin. There's a lot of good things going on over here, especially on the youth side for both teams, really. You know, you look at Bath, you have, you know, that's what could be a center pairing of
00:53:17
Speaker
Jomo and Redpath one day will be fantastic. Tom DeGlanville, I mean, he's playing the wrong position because that 15th chair is sewn up for England. I don't know where the hell to go to send the kid, but he's fantastic. I think he'll get some sort of honors sometime. Yeah, and the front row is always great, but even though Obama was not there right now, but I really, you know, love Will Stewart. Stewart is a personal favorite of mine.
00:53:44
Speaker
You know, and then on the other side, you got, you know, Finn Smith looks really good. Jamie Schillicott definitely belongs in that team every day. Like, don't question it. So the other one will come good. He didn't play well. Hill's a captain. He might not be an amazing rugby player, but he's a captain. So I give them credit for having him in there. And I think he's a very good rugby player. He's just not... I mean, he's only 22. Fuck me. Yeah, he's a baby. You're just having a bad year.
00:54:11
Speaker
But he's been he's been awesome the past couple years. He's just having a bad year. I didn't realize that's the start. I was watching when he was 20. Yeah, right. Yeah. So there's a lot of good things I like about this. And that's that kind of gets back to what we were saying earlier, then. Yes, which is the whole thing to let the kid play, because in a couple of years, they're going to be like, look at this team, this game.
00:54:32
Speaker
And yeah, in five years, you're still going to probably be seeing, well, okay, is Ollie Fox? How old is he? He's a 22. You're probably going to see a lot of the same players, but so much better. You know, you're going to see your Foxes and Baileys on one side, Simpson and Smith on the other. Like, Baileys is only 24. Yeah. And Ojomo,
00:55:02
Speaker
red path, as you said, like, you know, McConaughey and Muir and Purdy, like, there's there's all these guys who are just going to be hopefully around on both sides. Like, Ulster has their their young talent. So like I said, you got to go through shit like this to get there. Yep, yep. I agree. I agree. So
00:55:25
Speaker
There's a lot to like there. This, um, this hope for both teams. Definitely. Long term, long term. Yes. Not the, not short term, not the medium term. Yeah. But just keep putting in, keep putting in the efforts and keep coming back. So I can do. And keep, keep attack, keep playing like that. Yes. Like that's that too. That's the key is, is the, you play like that. If like you do the right things, the wins will come. Agreed. Agreed.
00:55:54
Speaker
Well, all right, so that does it for the halfway point of the partnership.
00:56:00
Speaker
Amazingly enough, we are there. It just started slash it has been going on for months now. We're only halfway. Yeah. Uh, obviously, uh, series or two wins three and Gloucester four. Um, they talked about there's only been a few teams that I've ever charged into the top four from outside the top six. So I don't know if any teams are going to make that type of run that are outside of the top six right now.
00:56:32
Speaker
But I don't really see it. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I just don't. I mean, like the the one to me that has a shot is Bristol. And there are 11. They're way away. They're way out. I don't I don't know how they're going to get gained 20 or 17 points. Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot to ask, but a lot to make up.
00:56:51
Speaker
It really is. But they're a team that could get hot. They could get hot and, and go, you know, win, you know, the next 10 matches, the next, you know, 10 of the next 12 or so. Never know. Never know. So we'll see. Um, but yeah, so right now that's where it's at. Um, so we will say they get their injuries back. They could, they could make a run too. Yeah. I'll give you that one too. Um,
00:57:17
Speaker
So that does it for that. That does it for this episode, covered a lot. So we will, we are moving on to fantasy corner. And if you're joining us over there, we'll see you there in a little while. But if you just come back here for next week, we got a lot to talk about because fingers crossed, we're going to be talking about a boatload of European games and it should be a good time. So until then, if you're not coming over, we'll catch you guys next week. Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot for listening. We'll talk to you then. Have a good one later.