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Speaker: Hello everyone and welcome to Here For The Right Reasons, Us Weekly's Bachelor podcast.
Speaker: I am your host, Sarah Herron, and this week I was joined by Eric Figger.
Speaker: If you don't remember Eric, he was on Rachel Lindsay's season of The Bachelorette.
Speaker: He was in third place.
Speaker: right after Fantasy Suites, he went home.
Speaker: He then was on Bachelor Winter Games for a minute and he was on Bachelor in Paradise season five a couple of years ago.
Speaker: And he has written books with Chris Randone from Paradise.
Speaker: He has a great Instagram following.
Speaker: And he was very candid about his time on the show.
Speaker: We spoke a little bit about Chris Harrison and where the franchise should go from here.
Speaker: But then we kind of went back and he spoke
Speaker: a lot about his relationship with the producers on and off camera of his season, which I thought was super interesting.
Speaker: And similar to Blake, who I spoke to a few weeks ago, Eric had a similar thing where he was very beloved when he was on his original season.
Speaker: And then Paradise sort of flipped the script a little bit.
Speaker: It wasn't quite Blake, Kaelin and the text messages, which if you haven't listened to my interview with Blake, but Eric had that whole thing with Angela and he was dating Angela on season five for a while.
Speaker: And then he switched.
Speaker: Cassandra showed up and he had interest with her and they framed it like he broke Angela's heart.
Speaker: And he owned that and spoke about how it's very hard in that environment and how to figure out how to navigate it.
Speaker: So I really think you're going to enjoy my chat with Eric.
Speaker: We played Bachelor Regrets.
Speaker: We talked about the upcoming seasons of The Bachelorette.
Speaker: and so much more.
Speaker: So without further ado, here's Eric.
Speaker: I'm back now with Eric, who you may remember from Rachel Lindsay's season of The Bachelorette, season five of Paradise, Bachelor Winter Games.
Speaker: Don't never forget that.
Speaker: Hello, Eric.
Speaker: How are you?
Speaker: How's it going?
Speaker: I'm good.
Speaker: I think I need to put you on the spot right now and do a quick ranking of most enjoyable to least enjoyable filming of Paradise, Winter Games, and Bachelorette.
Speaker: Most enjoyable is definitely the Bachelorette.
Speaker: You know, the six countries fell in love.
Speaker: It was amazing.
Speaker: And people don't know, I actually spent an extra, I think 10 to 12 days in Spain while I got sent home.
Speaker: So I actually was able to enjoy Spain a little bit.
Speaker: Yeah, I would say the least enjoyable was probably like Winter Games, because I went home first week.
Speaker: That was kind of a bummer.
Speaker: But I believe that was due to because I haven't regressed or like came down off the high of the Bachelorette and, you know, processed my life.
Speaker: And so I was just changing, you know, December of that year.
Speaker: I'm back on TV trying to find love.
Speaker: So I wasn't ready for that.
Speaker: But in all, it were beautiful journeys.
Speaker: I had great times and great moments and learning lessons and blessings.
Speaker: And it was great.
Speaker: Good.
Speaker: Well, we're going to get into some specific random stuff from your time on the show, but I also wanted, and your fitness and everything you're up to now and catch everyone up.
Speaker: But I also wanted to ask you a little bit about this past season and what's going on in the bachelor world.
Speaker: Did you watch Matt James season?
Speaker: I watched some, some episodes.
Speaker: I didn't, I didn't watch most of it, but I saw enough to kind of realize where things were going and it made sense.
Speaker: So I get it.
Speaker: You get the gist.
Speaker: I mean, what was your... From everything you did see, this conversation that's been going on in The Bachelor for a while now that obviously came up a lot more about diversity and the show in general, what were your biggest takeaways?
Speaker: What's something that you want to see the show do?
Speaker: Like the biggest key that they're missing here so we don't keep having the same conversations and this narrative needs to move along, if that makes sense.
Speaker: I think...
Speaker: The first and the most important thing for any show of that behalf, you know, predominantly, you know, by audience that trying to bring in diversity, I think, um, I think you got to hear people, right?
Speaker: Like, and it's not just minorities, it's all people.
Speaker: There's, there's, there's, there's just people in general.
Speaker: And I think I had an interview with daily beast and I was, um, discussing that.
Speaker: I think, um,
Speaker: They should do like a survey.
Speaker: They should do a questionnaire.
Speaker: They should get everybody's feedback from past season that all diversity and see what they think they should do.
Speaker: Because it's like this, right?
Speaker: if you come to me as a trainee and you want to get in shape and I'm looking at you from my perspective, right?
Speaker: Without saying anything or noticing, I'm just going off what I know, but I haven't asked you a question about how you feel, where you grew up, where you're from, what's your background, where you believe in.
Speaker: Like I think in the interview process or the, when you got a, what is the word?
Speaker: Casting.
Speaker: Yeah, the casting process.
Speaker: There should be.
Speaker: Have you dealt with racism?
Speaker: How do you feel about being whatever ethnic group you are?
Speaker: I think there should be more detailed like questionnaires and conversations when they bring in castmates.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Also, I think if you're going to have a diverse cast, the people in the behind the scenes should be diverse as well because you want them to relate and understand.
Speaker: And here's the thing, like they can do what they want.
Speaker: Their show is their platform.
Speaker: You know, I always tell people like we can get bad at ABC and the network and, you know, people at the show, but it's a business at the end of the day.
Speaker: And if my business generates revenue from a certain demographic that makes sense for my audience, then that's what it is.
Speaker: But if you're going to intervene and add different people into your network or your platform, you got to be aware.
Speaker: You got to be conscious of who you're dealing with.
Speaker: You got to know what you're up against.
Speaker: And you're not going to you're not it's not going to be a perfect 10 every time.
Speaker: But at least if you're showing people that you're trying and you want to make change and you want to make progress and a diverse stratosphere for the show.
Speaker: I think people get it.
Speaker: People have compassion.
Speaker: People have understanding.
Speaker: Granted, people are going to be upset.
Speaker: Things are not always going to go their way or whoever way.
Speaker: It's life.
Speaker: But I think with, you know, having, you know, JoJo and Tejas, you know,
Speaker: the host for next season, I think is a great start.
Speaker: I think it is time to see some women faces and women empowerment.
Speaker: And, you know, you do what you can and not what you can't, but I think you just got to ask questions, the right questions.
Speaker: You got to get feedback from all diverse, I mean, from all people.
Speaker: You can't just shoot the ball in the basket and think, okay, I think this will work.
Speaker: You can't think, you got to know.
Speaker: And it's important to have that discussion and conversation.
Speaker: Totally.
Speaker: With Chris Harrison and everything, I mean, it's kind of been played out.
Speaker: Everyone's talked about it nonstop.
Speaker: But do you have any feeling either way of whether you think he should be back, the show should just move on?
Speaker: I mean, it's kind of just like we're in this weird lull now, I feel like.
Speaker: It's going to be weird to have it without him, but I get both sides of it, I feel like.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, like, I love Chris Harrison.
Speaker: Chris Harrison, if you're listening, if you're going to see this, hear this.
Speaker: No, seriously, like, I know him personally.
Speaker: He's a great individual.
Speaker: He calls me the miracle man.
Speaker: I call him the miracle man.
Speaker: It's a miracle season.
Speaker: Here's the thing, right?
Speaker: What I try to tell people, we all fall short at times.
Speaker: We all make mistakes.
Speaker: No one's perfect.
Speaker: I think in that moment, he made a big mistake.
Speaker: This mistake, he messed up.
Speaker: You know, if I saw him today and I had the conversation, like, you made a mistake, buddy.
Speaker: It's okay.
Speaker: You know, you know, just like if I, when I was in paradise and I made some mistakes, right?
Speaker: He's like, yeah, you had a tough time, Eric, in paradise, right?
Speaker: It's like, yeah, I did.
Speaker: So,
Speaker: Everyone, no one is exempt, right?
Speaker: Everyone has to pay for their decision.
Speaker: There's consequences, right?
Speaker: It's a cause and effect of everything.
Speaker: And I believe Chris Harrison, they should be suspended and he should have some time off and he should kind of like rethink and maybe educate himself in some ways and do some work and...
Speaker: you know, build some time with thyself.
Speaker: But I don't think he should be canceled.
Speaker: Like, come on, we're not even being real.
Speaker: Like, so you're telling me no one can show up and be a person and make mistakes?
Speaker: Like, here's the thing.
Speaker: I tell people all the time, I say, look, we live in a world, we live in a culture that everyone comes to work with a mask on, right?
Speaker: And I'm not saying the N95s.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I'm talking about the professional that's okay.
Speaker: I'm going to be an interviewer today.
Speaker: I'm going to be a trainer.
Speaker: I'm going to be a TV star where we all play the role we're acting.
Speaker: We're playing the role to fit the role to present our profession.
Speaker: And it's okay.
Speaker: It's understandable, but we all know, let's be clear outside of the TV and the, the podcast and behind closed doors,
Speaker: People are talking shit.
Speaker: People are saying things they know they shouldn't say.
Speaker: So let's be human for once and think about, yeah, no one's perfect.
Speaker: We're all as guilty as what we see in everyday society.
Speaker: And some people are more, you know, worse than others, but...
Speaker: Unconditional love is important in these times.
Speaker: I think he should have suspension.
Speaker: I think he should learn from it.
Speaker: And I think he should have a, I believe there should be an open conversation with Chris Harrison and Rachel Lindsay.
Speaker: And I think what happened is for people from African-American culture, I think on my behalf, from my perspective, it's like, we want people to feel what we feel, but they can never feel what we feel because they're not in our skin.
Speaker: They're not in our body.
Speaker: So we can't project
Speaker: and reflect what we're thinking and feeling from our experience on Salon, who's not us to say you should do this.
Speaker: You're held accountable.
Speaker: Now we can hold them accountable for something they did wrong or something they should be aware of.
Speaker: That's great.
Speaker: But sometimes just because we think, and this is anybody, this is women, men, this is Hispanic, Asian, whatever.
Speaker: Just because we think a person should know about that the way we do, doesn't mean that they do.
Speaker: So we got to start adding context to what we're saying and what we're believing.
Speaker: We got to start educating people in the moment.
Speaker: instead of just fighting them.
Speaker: And I was listening to a podcast this morning.
Speaker: I was working out and I think the words was just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they dislike you.
Speaker: Foolful thought.
Speaker: We can't project what we believe and what we think and tell that person you're wrong because you don't believe or believe or you're not as aware.
Speaker: You should be educated.
Speaker: You're in this position.
Speaker: And here's another thing.
Speaker: What I do know, I'll just put something up with DMX on my story.
Speaker: We have to trust people for who they really are.
Speaker: If a person is just a bad person, that's just who they are.
Speaker: If they are a person who continuously lies, you have to accept people for who they really are.
Speaker: I think in America, it bothers us that when people don't like us, people don't fit the narrative that benefit our world, it makes us uncomfortable.
Speaker: I'd rather someone be truly who they are than them fake it to be something else they're not.
Speaker: And then I find out later they always was that person.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So I just think we just got to be authentic about how we feel and why are we so bothered by someone's real opinion about something?
Speaker: Why does it matter so much?
Speaker: Like, why does that bother me?
Speaker: And so the work has to be, there's a quote that says, don't question, don't worry about why she or he bothers you.
Speaker: Uh, uh, uh, question.
Speaker: They said, don't worry about what she or he did question.
Speaker: Why does it bother you?
Speaker: Cause it's not about them.
Speaker: It's about you.
Speaker: You're triggered.
Speaker: You're, you're offended for what reason.
Speaker: And I think we've got to dig deep and kind of like look at ourselves in the mirror and say, look,
Speaker: okay i was triggered there's emotional wound here that something happened when i was young or something i was taught in school or raised by and i don't like that cool how about express that in the moment of altercation right and explain it's like hey look you're you're hurting me right now this is very uncomfortable for me and
Speaker: And then maybe that'll help the discussion.
Speaker: But I think the discussion needs to be public.
Speaker: I think Chris Harrison is a decent human being.
Speaker: I think if he's open, he's willing and Rachel and whoever else wants to get involved, I think they should have a discussion and talk about what was done and what was the past.
Speaker: And like, I'm all about solutions.
Speaker: I'm not into recreating narratives because six months, a year from now, somebody else is going to say something.
Speaker: What are we going to do, counsel them to?
Speaker: It's a cycle.
Speaker: It's a cycle.
Speaker: Yeah, it's a cycle.
Speaker: I don't like cycles.
Speaker: I like to create a new cycle, a new wheel.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: I totally agree.
Speaker: I find it bizarre that he had, not that I don't know what's going on to see behind the scenes, but that he's been so quiet and that it almost would have made sense to have him a part of that finale in some way.
Speaker: I think Emmanuel Acho was great and he was the perfect person to lead the Rachel Mack conversation.
Speaker: But I think maybe we should have seen Chris Harrison and Emmanuel Acho have a conversation too.
Speaker: Like it doesn't make sense.
Speaker: Oh my God.
Speaker: Why did they call me?
Speaker: That's the aha moment.
Speaker: Us Weekly.
Speaker: There it is.
Speaker: Bing, bong, boom, baby, boom, boom.
Speaker: That's the conversation right there.
Speaker: He should have been on the finale with what's his name again?
Speaker: Emmanuel Acho.
Speaker: Emmanuel.
Speaker: Like that should have been that should be the discussion.
Speaker: It just would have helped everyone move forward.
Speaker: I feel like the verses.
Speaker: Here's the thing.
Speaker: You know why it'd have been great for Chris Harrison?
Speaker: Chris Harrison over his history of doing a bachelor.
Speaker: He is able and has been a part of everyone's happiness, joy, turmoil, disaster, trials and tribulations.
Speaker: He has witnessed it.
Speaker: He has talked to people, he has seen people emotional.
Speaker: We need to see the vulnerable Chris Harrison.
Speaker: We need to know what Chris Harrison childhood was like.
Speaker: We need to know what Chris Harrison went through in his life.
Speaker: We need to know.
Speaker: Who is Chris Harrison that we don't know?
Speaker: I think that is more beneficial to the world than bashing him and counseling him and saying, you're this, you're that, nothing he can say is right.
Speaker: You know, it's like, come on, man.
Speaker: Sorry.
Speaker: But I think if that was, I think that still can happen.
Speaker: I think that would be great.
Speaker: Thank you.
Speaker: There are.
Speaker: You should hit them up.
Speaker: Hey, look.
Speaker: So by the way, I got a great idea.
Speaker: I got a great idea.
Speaker: You can do it on Us Weekly's YouTube channel.
Speaker: We'll all work together.
Speaker: There are these reports that there are people I mean, I know one I think a few people have said this, that they maybe are apprehensive to go on Paradise or spinoff shows because the show is now kind of associated with racism and the scandal and stuff.
Speaker: Part of me doesn't necessarily believe that because I feel like, you know, Bachelor Nation, they want their chance to be on the beach.
Speaker: But I don't know.
Speaker: Do you think there's any truth to that?
Speaker: Um, there's truth only to the people who believe that, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker: To the people who are convinced, who, who, who are influenced and, uh, and motivated by that.
Speaker: I think as people, we got to stop allowing, you know, narratives and trends to dictate our lives and what we believe.
Speaker: Because at the end of the day, I tell all my castmates and people from past shows, I say, look, you know, cause some, most of the people don't know about being a public figure.
Speaker: Being on a big show like that, it's great.
Speaker: We go through a lot of stuff on that television, behind the scenes, on scenes.
Speaker: And it's emotional.
Speaker: It's a roller coaster.
Speaker: And post show, you deal with a lot of mental stuff, a lot of stuff you can't prepare for.
Speaker: But I always tell people, I say, I tell them, look, you're complaining about Reddit.
Speaker: You're complaining about news articles.
Speaker: You're complaining about the hate.
Speaker: And I was like, by all means, great.
Speaker: I said, look at your life.
Speaker: Look at the life you live.
Speaker: Many people don't get a chance to be on TV.
Speaker: And so you have a chance to be on TV and you're bashing it because it didn't go your way.
Speaker: But if it would have went your way, you wouldn't even feel your way.
Speaker: So
Speaker: You know, that's why I said I always judge people when adversity and bad things happen because that's what they really are.
Speaker: Everyone can be great when it's great.
Speaker: So I think the opportunity to go on TV, no matter what's going on, now granted, everything is timing because when I got off my season of The Bachelorette 2017, I had an opportunity to go to Paradise because of my positioning, I felt I shouldn't go.
Speaker: And thank God for that because that was when a scandal came out and that was a really bad time to go.
Speaker: Things kind of got off, got off track.
Speaker: But you gotta follow your gut, you gotta follow your heart.
Speaker: And I think some people will boycott or neglect going or,
Speaker: At the end of the day, life goes on, man.
Speaker: We can't live in the past.
Speaker: We just got to... That network, that show has put a lot of people in powerful positions to this day, even including myself.
Speaker: I wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for ABC and The Bachelorette and Rachel and all the people that put that show together.
Speaker: So who am I to say, you guys are bad for like...
Speaker: Hey man, this is TV.
Speaker: I did it today.
Speaker: It's a business.
Speaker: So I just think I'm more of a person of gratitude and I try to look at, I find solutions to problems and it's a big picture.
Speaker: What's the big picture?
Speaker: The big picture is a year from now, two years.
Speaker: And now no one's going to remember that.
Speaker: Now the people who were involved will, but it's going to, this will, this will soon pass.
Speaker: And we'll be talking about, Oh my God, did you see so-and-so?
Speaker: It looks so cute.
Speaker: You know, the bachelor world never ends.
Speaker: It's not going anywhere.
Speaker: It's entertainment, man.
Speaker: Like, let's be clear.
Speaker: We want someone to get all lovey dovey.
Speaker: And oh, my God, did you see him?
Speaker: Look what he did.
Speaker: You know, it's entertainment at the end of the day.
Speaker: So can't take it too serious.
Speaker: You know, no, totally.
Speaker: And I think there's also this balance because, you know, people come out and they blame the
Speaker: producers or the edit.
Speaker: And I think there's obviously it's a television show.
Speaker: There's some truth to that.
Speaker: But I'm always from the state of mind of whatever you said or however you present yourself.
Speaker: Yeah, they can manipulate it and twist it.
Speaker: But they're not creating, in my opinion, entirely different things of who you that's a side of you.
Speaker: It might not be the side you want everyone to know.
Speaker: But there's some truth to that.
Speaker: I mean, is that fair to say?
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, it is.
Speaker: It's like, you know, because it's like putting a bunch of people on an ant farm and shaking the ant farm up and you see how they react, right?
Speaker: And you shake them up.
Speaker: You can't prepare for that show.
Speaker: There's nothing to, people think they can go and prepare how to be like, trust me, you can't.
Speaker: Like, it's not one of those things like, oh, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that, I'm gonna do this.
Speaker: At the end of the day, if you win on the front end, you're going to get burned on the back end.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And if you lose on the front end, you're going to win on the back end.
Speaker: Or it just be a neutral journey.
Speaker: You might not go as far or get involved because you're not open as much.
Speaker: You know, you got to be willing to fall in love.
Speaker: You got to be willing to fail.
Speaker: You got to be willing to, you know, sacrifice.
Speaker: Like we've gone, I was gone for 10 weeks.
Speaker: I had no phone.
Speaker: I had no outside connections to anyone.
Speaker: That's a sacrifice.
Speaker: You know, when I got home, I felt so weird.
Speaker: So I think it is, you know, it is a show at the end of the day.
Speaker: I tell people, so people, it's produced for sure.
Speaker: But at the end of the day, it's not,
Speaker: It's not scripted.
Speaker: It's not like, oh, say this and do that.
Speaker: Like, no.
Speaker: So most of it, you know, it's you.
Speaker: You know what it is?
Speaker: It's your real self, your pretending self, the self you're trying to be on camera.
Speaker: And then your shadow self comes to surface.
Speaker: The shadow self is a self you neglect or you hide or you suppress because you don't want people to know, but it comes to surface because you're triggered.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So it's a great therapy.
Speaker: It's great therapy.
Speaker: It healed me in so many ways and evolved me in so many ways.
Speaker: So
Speaker: It's a tough cookie, but it will groom you for sure.
Speaker: Are you done?
Speaker: Or if they called you up and they said Mexico, Summer Games, Bachelor, would you entertain it or would you hang up?
Speaker: I haven't got any calls.
Speaker: I would love to be like, I mean, I just, I just saw they announced a shots out to Kevin.
Speaker: He's a bartender in a paradise.
Speaker: I would love to do a job like that, but I think it's paradise Canada.
Speaker: Oh, they're not doing paradise America.
Speaker: They are, but I think Kevin's going to be on paradise Canada.
Speaker: Cause they're him and after living Canada, I think, but that just came out this morning.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Got it.
Speaker: Got it.
Speaker: Maybe maybe right.
Speaker: Cause I didn't see that.
Speaker: I just thought it was so maybe Wells is still in his position.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I just think I'm so past that phase of like just being in that type of environment.
Speaker: It's so much you have to deal with.
Speaker: And look, it's tough, man.
Speaker: It's if it's no one there you're really into or you really like, it's like you got to settle for what's there if you want to stay and get to know someone.
Speaker: And that's not a bad thing, but it's tough.
Speaker: So and there's no one on any season that I'm like, oh, yeah, they go.
Speaker: I'll go.
Speaker: I'm like,
Speaker: You know, a lot of the, I think a lot of women were younger from past few seasons, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I just never really like, oh, I got to get back in paradise.
Speaker: But there are some people I think should go to paradise.
Speaker: Like who?
Speaker: I think grocery store Joe should go.
Speaker: I think Matt Munson for my season.
Speaker: I think Chris Randone should go.
Speaker: Chris Brown too?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, I feel like Demario should get another shot.
Speaker: I mean, Iggy, if he's not in a situation, I mean, these are guys from my season.
Speaker: But yeah, I think, you know, Blake should get back out there too.
Speaker: I mean, you know, all those guys.
Speaker: I mean, he was a good guy.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: Maybe Robbie.
Speaker: How's Robbie?
Speaker: I haven't seen Robbie in a while.
Speaker: Robbie, he went to see us to keep for a minute.
Speaker: I mean, we got to get him back on TV.
Speaker: Yeah, so we'll see.
Speaker: I'll let the universe decide.
Speaker: But no, I haven't had the urge.
Speaker: I haven't felt anything.
Speaker: And I haven't gotten an email from at least from that world.
Speaker: Got it.
Speaker: But not ruling it out.
Speaker: OK, I like that.
Speaker: I have to ask you this because you're on a season that actually had a success.
Speaker: Obviously, Rachel and Brian happily married, adorable couple.
Speaker: How early did you know Rachel was going to pick Brian?
Speaker: We knew first day.
Speaker: Actually?
Speaker: First day, first week.
Speaker: We just knew like, so here's the thing.
Speaker: Brian was the oldest.
Speaker: I think he's like 37 at the time.
Speaker: So that was one key factor.
Speaker: Two, you know, he got the first impression rolls.
Speaker: And then as the show went on, we always knew him and Peter was top two.
Speaker: We just knew it.
Speaker: Like all the guys in the house just know.
Speaker: We knew at least Brian was going to be top two no matter what.
Speaker: Like it just was like, I don't know, just something about him.
Speaker: And when he got with her, it just was like, man, this was, you know, it was like a layup for them.
Speaker: Like, yeah, it was easy.
Speaker: We knew Peter was going to be top five.
Speaker: And then we knew those two guys were like, they front runners for sure.
Speaker: Did you know you were going to be top three?
Speaker: I don't think I knew I was going to be top anything.
Speaker: Honestly, I was kind of confused coming in.
Speaker: I was uncomfortable.
Speaker: I was trying to figure everything out.
Speaker: And then, you know, week three, I kind of loosened up and started realizing what the show was really about and how I had to play my role and get to where I needed to get to for my benefit throughout the show because it's tough, you know, but
Speaker: We just knew those two guys were gonna be in a run.
Speaker: They gonna be, I didn't think, most people didn't think I was gonna make it that far.
Speaker: I remember Louie, shout out to Louie, one of the, I think he's EP down over there.
Speaker: We were in Spain, we were in an alley, like one, two in the morning.
Speaker: And I'm like, Louie, what the hell is going on, brother?
Speaker: He was like, man, you did it.
Speaker: I'm like, what do you mean?
Speaker: Like, how is this even real?
Speaker: Like, it's two in the morning.
Speaker: I'm about to have a, this was the night of fantasy suites.
Speaker: When you get the card and,
Speaker: He's like, he said, listen, he said, a lot of us didn't believe you would make it this far, but you did it, my man.
Speaker: Like, oh, congrats to you.
Speaker: I was just like, this is so surreal.
Speaker: What is this?
Speaker: Is this a dream?
Speaker: Like, it didn't feel real to me.
Speaker: Cause I'm like, huh?
Speaker: You know?
Speaker: So I think what happened was I figured out how I needed to be.
Speaker: And I think because I was so anxious and so in fear, I was trying to move fast.
Speaker: Like, I think the first question I asked Rachel was, um,
Speaker: What's your biggest fear?
Speaker: Or are you afraid of love?
Speaker: It was something like that.
Speaker: It was just like one of those questions is like, oh, bro, slow down.
Speaker: Just met the girl.
Speaker: Like, that's just the first thing you ask on a date, you know?
Speaker: That's the show, though.
Speaker: As time went on, you know, because my shots are the Eddie Young, one of the producers, producers on the show.
Speaker: We will be on a date.
Speaker: You know, he's in a background.
Speaker: And he's like,
Speaker: Like too much bro, say that for nighttime.
Speaker: Like we on a day date and I'm talking about deep stuff during the day.
Speaker: Like, you know, talk about the environment, talk about it's too much, say that this is good content for the dental portion.
Speaker: So I had to kind of learn like,
Speaker: You know, I was going deep too fast, but it worked out in the end.
Speaker: So I'm happy.
Speaker: I spoke to someone recently and they kind of described their relationship with the producers as like a coach.
Speaker: And that's kind of similar to what you said.
Speaker: So it is a coaching thing.
Speaker: And in a way where you trust them.
Speaker: But in the back of your mind, are you like, how should I trust you?
Speaker: Like, is that a mind game too?
Speaker: It is.
Speaker: I mean, for me, I can kind of see what someone's like BSing me.
Speaker: Like, come on, bro, stop.
Speaker: But here's the thing.
Speaker: Sometimes
Speaker: you can get in some hot water.
Speaker: And so I had a situation where I was trusting the coach, but the coach wasn't trusting the player.
Speaker: I'm like, bro, look, I'm in the playing field.
Speaker: Like I'm telling you play by play what's really going on.
Speaker: They're like, no, no, just trust.
Speaker: I said, listen, watch what happened.
Speaker: I followed them and then the show came out and I know it.
Speaker: Is this your paradise love triangle moment?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I was like, look, I know it.
Speaker: I was like, listen, I know people.
Speaker: I said, it wasn't about me making a decision, right?
Speaker: It was about how I made a decision.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: It was about how.
Speaker: It wasn't that idea.
Speaker: I can change my mind, but it was,
Speaker: You know, I should have had the conversation first, you know?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I didn't do that.
Speaker: That backfired.
Speaker: It still would have been a mess, but it's also was strategic on my part because, you know, it's easy to say you're into someone and you like someone.
Speaker: Well, let me go left real quick and see if you're really right for me.
Speaker: Let me see how bad you say you into me.
Speaker: Let me go do something and see where your heart is.
Speaker: Because that's going to really tell me if you really into me like you say you are.
Speaker: And, you know, it made sense.
Speaker: And so when I made a decision, it was tough, but I had to follow my heart in the moment because I wasn't feeling what the person was saying.
Speaker: That's what people don't know.
Speaker: Yeah, that's why I made the decision.
Speaker: And so when I made it, the person was upset, of course, and I forgive them.
Speaker: I apologize.
Speaker: It all out of camera.
Speaker: You should show it.
Speaker: When the show was over, that person was in a situation, right?
Speaker: So it was just like, clearly it was what it was, but it was all love.
Speaker: What advice do you give to the people who are going to be filming Paradise this summer?
Speaker: How do you navigate that?
Speaker: Because I feel like on that show more than The Bachelor or Bachelorette, because there's one lead, it's a little different.
Speaker: And then on Paradise, it's an open playing field.
Speaker: You can go on as many dates.
Speaker: You're dating more than one person.
Speaker: Everyone's talked beforehand.
Speaker: There's all this drama.
Speaker: There's past relationships.
Speaker: How much do you lean into that and worry about what's going to show versus actually genuinely just trying to have fun or find a connection?
Speaker: Because you get crucified.
Speaker: if you go on dates with too many people, but you get sent home if you don't.
Speaker: So I feel like you can't really win.
Speaker: I just think going in, people got to understand anything can happen, right?
Speaker: That's first and foremost.
Speaker: Anything can happen, good or bad.
Speaker: So you got to have that in your mind.
Speaker: Also, you have to just be yourself, and however that is.
Speaker: And know that don't go in trying to be too cool.
Speaker: Don't go in being uptight.
Speaker: Be open.
Speaker: Learn from the experience.
Speaker: Let the experience teach you instead of you trying to teach it.
Speaker: Like, let it teach you something.
Speaker: And have fun.
Speaker: Like, enjoy it.
Speaker: Like, it's a long journey.
Speaker: Like, it's a lot that goes on.
Speaker: The process is a lot.
Speaker: You know, so many things you got to do between you and get there.
Speaker: Then when you get there, it's a lot.
Speaker: So you just got to be ready for...
Speaker: party when the cameras come on, baby.
Speaker: Lights camera action, it's time to, hey, baby, it's action.
Speaker: So I just think you gotta be open.
Speaker: You gotta be mindful of your surroundings, be yourself, be authentic, and just know anything can happen.
Speaker: So you're not in control of that.
Speaker: It's just like the universe.
Speaker: Anything can happen today.
Speaker: Matter of fact, this morning, I woke up really early.
Speaker: I was up at like 3.50, 3.54 to be exact.
Speaker: I couldn't go to sleep.
Speaker: I tried to, you know, they were like 4, 430, 440.
Speaker: Earthquake.
Speaker: Literally had an earthquake here.
Speaker: My world was shaking up, but it was like, I can't control that.
Speaker: What was the odds of me waking up middle of the night and earthquake is happening?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But so that's like paradise.
Speaker: You don't know what you're going to get until you show up.
Speaker: So have fun.
Speaker: Enjoy it.
Speaker: A lot of people don't get to go on TV.
Speaker: Don't take it for granted.
Speaker: Be grateful for the opportunity and do your best.
Speaker: I can't wait.
Speaker: I'm ready.
Speaker: I'm ready.
Speaker: Okay, so tell me what you've been up to now.
Speaker: What is Miracle Season?
Speaker: Tell me everything.
Speaker: Yeah, so it's Miracle Season was established March 13, 2017 when I went on Africa Final Rolls to meet Rachel Lindsay.
Speaker: I was in my trailer in Burbank and Louis was my producer at the time and I kept saying, it's Miracle Season and it came to me.
Speaker: It was like something that came to me, you know,
Speaker: God given source, higher self, whatever you want to call it, it's coming to me, right?
Speaker: And he said, listen, I think you should say that when you get on stage.
Speaker: And so when I got on stage, you ever have something you wanted to say to someone and then you never say it?
Speaker: And you know what that feels like.
Speaker: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker: Didn't you ever have something to say to this one and you said everything.
Speaker: That's what that moment.
Speaker: So when I said that on stage, what's meant to be, will be.
Speaker: I said, it's a miracle season, Rachel.
Speaker: What's meant to be, will be.
Speaker: Looking for, it was like I hit a game winning shot.
Speaker: Boom.
Speaker: So when that happened, the crowd went crazy.
Speaker: I was like, this feels great.
Speaker: That's how I knew it was something special about that season for me.
Speaker: And the miracle for me, because I didn't know what I was saying.
Speaker: It just was coming to me.
Speaker: A foreshadow.
Speaker: So the foreshadow was the miracle was me falling in love for the first time.
Speaker: But to get that miracle, I had to go through a metamorphosis.
Speaker: I had to go through a process of evolving and shedding off layers and growing and becoming a man on TV, you know?
Speaker: And that was my miracle season.
Speaker: I won that season in my eyes for me because I fell in love, I allowed myself to be vulnerable, I opened up and my life changed afterwards.
Speaker: So me not being with her wasn't bad.
Speaker: I actually won from falling in love and being open and grown as a man.
Speaker: And just, you know, so that was the miracle, but it was tough to get that.
Speaker: So it's miracle season is a miracle that anyone can have.
Speaker: You can get a raise in your job.
Speaker: You can get a attractive, best relationship.
Speaker: You can make more money, whatever it is that you want to gravitate to or accomplish.
Speaker: It's going to take a process to do that.
Speaker: It's not going to be easy.
Speaker: But once you get that thing, that's the miracle.
Speaker: The miracle is the tough part, the process.
Speaker: And once you get it, you're like, man, this was a miracle.
Speaker: It's miracle season.
Speaker: So yeah, that's been a brand, you know, that's been a hashtag and tags.
Speaker: I went to Miracle Season.
Speaker: But on top of that, I released two books this past year.
Speaker: I mean, last year with Chris Rendon, we got a book, Change Your Mindset, Change Your Energy, Change Your Life.
Speaker: Translation is a workbook.
Speaker: We give you exercise and daily routines to do for 30 days, 28 days to reclaim your power.
Speaker: It's 28 days, you know, for four weeks.
Speaker: And it helps people transform from an internal perspective and basis.
Speaker: And then I just released a book not too long ago in February, 100 Days of Wisdom.
Speaker: It's 100 days of quotes, my quotes, personalized quotes that I put together.
Speaker: And I have a Facebook group.
Speaker: Shots out to my Facebook group.
Speaker: A lot of people, they miss me.
Speaker: I haven't seen them in two days.
Speaker: We're on like day 63, because I'm breaking down each quote in a group and just giving people motivation and giving people quotes to live a more inspired life.
Speaker: So you can get both books on Amazon.
Speaker: 100 Days of Wisdom is an e-book.
Speaker: Transformation is a physical version.
Speaker: Yeah, and just working on projects, constantly reading books and just evolving as a person.
Speaker: I want to bring more value to my audience.
Speaker: I want to bring more value to my platform and to the people I connect with and people who reach out.
Speaker: And I got my IG Live series, Bigger Talks.
Speaker: So I have like...
Speaker: Like the last quarter or the beginning of the year, I was doing one a week.
Speaker: So it's like a podcast, but interview.
Speaker: So I want to do 30.
Speaker: So I'm at like 12 right now.
Speaker: So I think I'm going to push out the next...
Speaker: five or six weeks and probably try to do two a week to get to that number.
Speaker: And so just putting out more content to help people think in different ways and give a perspective.
Speaker: I think, you know, I have a lot of information.
Speaker: I got to give it to the people.
Speaker: I can't.
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: You know, but yeah, it's yourself.
Speaker: Yeah, so that's really it.
Speaker: And I'm looking forward to being on TV soon.
Speaker: You know, like, I think that's another thing, like really looking forward to being on TV and we'll see how that plays out this year.
Speaker: But I think my chances are high of being on TV.
Speaker: Where are we going on TV?
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: You know how you just had that feeling like
Speaker: I don't know, I just feel like I need to get back on TV, right?
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Yeah, I don't know if you ever had feelings where you like, I was telling my manager, I was like, I think I need to get back to TV.
Speaker: Like, it's time.
Speaker: Like, I've been on TV for a long time.
Speaker: It's been since what?
Speaker: I did a commercial in 2019, but like reality or something like The Bachelor is 2018, so it's been a minute.
Speaker: So I think it's just time to get back on TV.
Speaker: What would be your like ideal if it's another show or like a hosting thing?
Speaker: Like what would be your ideal situation?
Speaker: I would love to have my own talk show.
Speaker: Honestly, I would even like to have my own talk show where people come on and interview them and ask challenging, fun questions.
Speaker: Or I would love my own reality show, my day to day of me living life.
Speaker: People get to see how inspiring and motivating and how I stay positive and
Speaker: And people often see all the negative stuff that I deal with that people don't see.
Speaker: So they can get a more inside on like what it's like to be me.
Speaker: Because I think people like, how are you so positive?
Speaker: You know, it's like, I do a lot of things before I wake up, before I get to my platform or I go outside.
Speaker: There's a lot of things I'm doing internally.
Speaker: They say, which you practice in private, you will be rewarded for in public.
Speaker: So I like that one.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So I do a lot of work behind, you know, scenes working on myself to be a better person.
Speaker: And it shows up in my life, like with these interviews or opportunities with meeting new people and attracting like things on those frequencies.
Speaker: So yeah.
Speaker: Love it.
Speaker: Are you dating anyone right now?
Speaker: I'm not.
Speaker: Left turn question.
Speaker: I was dating someone over the summer.
Speaker: I was in a decent situation this past summer.
Speaker: It was like six months.
Speaker: It was fun.
Speaker: I learned a lot.
Speaker: It didn't work out, but it wasn't bad.
Speaker: It just was, I think it was one of those
Speaker: moments of clarity of just learning.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: I think sometimes you got to put yourself in positions to learn.
Speaker: And I learned a lot about women as well.
Speaker: Like this was different.
Speaker: This was a different one.
Speaker: Like, oh, OK, I'm learning over here.
Speaker: You know, it was it was good.
Speaker: And, you know, I'm at a point in my career where my career is like priority and my purpose is my focus.
Speaker: And if someone doesn't align with that, it's hard for me to kind of give to another person when I'm focused on my purpose.
Speaker: You know, so if it happens, it happens.
Speaker: I'm not saying no to a situation, but I'm not focused on that.
Speaker: I got to have someone.
Speaker: I want to be with someone.
Speaker: Got it.
Speaker: You got it.
Speaker: Alright, my last question before Bachelor Regrets.
Speaker: Because you're talking about your books and your platform and how it's a huge... The show gives you this platform and you do with what you want to or navigate it.
Speaker: Obviously, you found this motivational and quotes and everything fitness.
Speaker: How hard is it to navigate that post show when you're getting these random brands throwing opportunities at you?
Speaker: I'm kind of obsessed with seeing where people go and like what their direction is and who's going to post every sponsored content, who's going to get the book deal, who's going to try to go on the MTV.
Speaker: Like, how do you navigate that?
Speaker: Well, it's you navigate it based on where you are in your life at the moment.
Speaker: Like I said, I had the opportunity to first go on Paradise post my first show.
Speaker: It was a no.
Speaker: But I went the next season.
Speaker: You see what I'm saying?
Speaker: I think for me, I've always worked for myself most of my life.
Speaker: I had a few jobs here in L.A., but I had always been in my own world.
Speaker: So to go on a show and to see like what that show could do for me in the back of my mind, I already had my mind made up that my intentions was no matter what happens, I'm going to do my best with what I'm giving.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So I'm going to take advantage of whatever is given to me, however, like
Speaker: You can't go on the show and say, oh, this show is this show will be this and I'll do that.
Speaker: Like that was never my intentions because you got to last first of all.
Speaker: I didn't think I would go 10 weeks, fall in love with the six countries.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But prior to the show, I've always was doing self development, always working on myself.
Speaker: So it was bound to happen.
Speaker: I just think I saw the big picture.
Speaker: And the thing is, shout out to Bennett.
Speaker: I miss that guy.
Speaker: Bennett is a EP of the show.
Speaker: We're literally in Spain, we're in Spain in a hotel room, laying in the bed.
Speaker: He was on one bed a little bit.
Speaker: He said, listen, you know your life is gonna forever change, right?
Speaker: I'm like, what you mean?
Speaker: He's like, just know your life will never be the same once you leave here.
Speaker: But I didn't understand what he was saying.
Speaker: Like, I'm like,
Speaker: And he would give me advice like, listen, anytime you're on TV, you need to be out every night.
Speaker: And I literally went out every night.
Speaker: And on top of that, I had a great manager who was a friend before he became a manager.
Speaker: We were friends for like eight years.
Speaker: And he had the idea of a photo shoot.
Speaker: He had the, shout out to Michael Collins, I love you brother.
Speaker: He had the idea of a photo shoot to get the publicist.
Speaker: And that kind of just took my stock up because I was doing things that other people wasn't even on.
Speaker: So it put me so far ahead.
Speaker: So if you Google me or did, you know, research stuff come up, cause I was doing interviews.
Speaker: So you navigate it based on what you want out of life.
Speaker: You know, I was a hustling Uber driver, fitness trainer, worked at the nightclub, selling water.
Speaker: I was doing whatever it took to make money.
Speaker: And so here I can have a great opportunity and it turned out great.
Speaker: I had to take advantage of it.
Speaker: So it was more of, I will make something of this.
Speaker: I don't know how, but I'm gonna do great.
Speaker: I love that.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: Now we're going to play bachelor regrets and talk about things you may or may not regret.
Speaker: Some of these are generic.
Speaker: I ask everyone, some are going to be specific to you because I did go back and watch a few clips, you know, from your time just to keep it, make it personal.
Speaker: So the first one, do you regret not wearing more comfortable shoes to rose ceremonies?
Speaker: No, I mean, they didn't, they were fine.
Speaker: No, I don't regret it.
Speaker: I think women probably regret it more than we would as men.
Speaker: No, no.
Speaker: Fair.
Speaker: Do you regret not eating the food on one-on-one dates?
Speaker: No, because we actually ate right before.
Speaker: They would tell us to eat your food, you know, because you can't eat on camera.
Speaker: So we had dinner before dinner.
Speaker: Interesting, right?
Speaker: Yes, that is interesting.
Speaker: Do you regret any packing choices when it came to Paradise?
Speaker: No, I don't regret it.
Speaker: You know, I'm an overpacker.
Speaker: I think I overpacked and then I left some things behind, but whatever.
Speaker: Any fashion regrets on any of these shows?
Speaker: Oh yeah.
Speaker: Well first y'all I didn't have, I didn't have no fashion sense.
Speaker: That was two buttons button on a shoe.
Speaker: Like I just was all over the place.
Speaker: I had like two peas.
Speaker: I was looking like I was going to prep school.
Speaker: I had like a blue blazer with khaki slacks and a baby blue shirt with a colorful tie.
Speaker: I was just, I had no fashion sense, but it's all good.
Speaker: That was the rookie.
Speaker: I was a rookie.
Speaker: Do you regret any hot tub time on The Bachelorette?
Speaker: No, hey, listen, my hot tub time was, oh, my hot tub time was great.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: It kind of sparked something in me.
Speaker: That was, okay, I'm good.
Speaker: You know?
Speaker: That actually was, that probably was the dopest date, honestly.
Speaker: Like, Copenhagen, yo, it's love.
Speaker: Do you regret appearing on the Bachelor Winter Games?
Speaker: No, because I discovered like emotionally I just wasn't there.
Speaker: Like and I needed to that experience at least see to check in and no, it was just like, you know, it wasn't meant to be there.
Speaker: Do you regret any sponsored Instagram posts?
Speaker: I think you learn from them all.
Speaker: I think, you know, it's funny, I'll, you know, I'll say this.
Speaker: Instagram is a marketplace for ads and advertisement and sponsors, right?
Speaker: So here's the thing, like I've done things like McDonald's, I done AT&T, Gatorade, Dorito, I've done a lot, right?
Speaker: So the interesting thing, you know, I'm fit, I'm a trainer, right?
Speaker: You don't eat this, right?
Speaker: So the interesting thing is that if I would have booked a commercial from like a fast food restaurant, everyone would be praising me.
Speaker: Oh my God, congrats, man.
Speaker: You got that national, man.
Speaker: You killing it.
Speaker: You get an Instagram.
Speaker: Oh man, go ahead, man.
Speaker: You get all this.
Speaker: So it's like, it's just funny that
Speaker: The ads you see people in and then versus if you saw them on TV, you have a different perception.
Speaker: But people don't understand for me at least, there's some of the stuff, you do take it in and you do have it here and there.
Speaker: People might not know, but it's also a business at the end of the day.
Speaker: And I think people who are not in that space, it's easy for them to criticize it because they don't understand it.
Speaker: A lot of times, a lot of these gigs that I'm getting, I will go auditions for, but that's what people don't know.
Speaker: You know, so it's funny, but life is a trip for sure.
Speaker: Do you regret anything involving the Paradise Love Triangle situation?
Speaker: Nah, no, because I already knew what it was before I got in it and I got out of it.
Speaker: And that was what I kept getting...
Speaker: slack on it.
Speaker: It's like, how do you know?
Speaker: That's like premature for you to say.
Speaker: And I'm like, listen, I know what I know.
Speaker: My intuition is speaking to me, but no one wanted to believe me.
Speaker: And then it all came out.
Speaker: I'm like, see, told you so.
Speaker: But I needed to go through.
Speaker: Because here's the thing.
Speaker: This is what I'll tell people.
Speaker: It's great to be a fan favorite, right?
Speaker: It's always great.
Speaker: But to be the villain, whoo!
Speaker: But see, I needed, I had the perspective of a fan favorite, but I needed the perspective of the villain because it's a perspective you get from that.
Speaker: And I needed that to bridge the gap, to bring things together and get clarity on not only being a complete person, because like I said, we make mistakes, but really understand the world I'm living in far as TV wise and then understanding America.
Speaker: People will love you, they hate you, they love you, they hate you.
Speaker: So it was interesting.
Speaker: I learned a lot and it was tough.
Speaker: It was tough.
Speaker: I had a breakdown.
Speaker: But it was only tough because it was so many things that I did that people didn't get to see.
Speaker: And that's the thing that bothered me the most was like, I did so much that you guys didn't really get to experience.
Speaker: And so, you know, but I did it today, it's TV.
Speaker: So can't take it personally.
Speaker: I really don't regret any of those things because I wouldn't be here today.
Speaker: I wouldn't be the man I am.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: maybe in a moment I regretted it, right?
Speaker: Some of those decisions, like, yeah, honestly, some of those decisions I do regret in the moment.
Speaker: But when I look back, I'm glad I made them.
Speaker: It's one of those things where it's the, it's if you get a good editor, you're beloved on one show, it's a risk to go on the next one because it's very rare, I feel like, to come out both unscathed because, again, there's all different sides of everyone.
Speaker: So that was the risk of, you know, being beloved.
Speaker: And then, you know, all of a sudden, there's a lot of people's feelings involved.
Speaker: But I think it's good.
Speaker: Like you said, you get to see both perspectives.
Speaker: You can handle it.
Speaker: And you get to learn from it.
Speaker: And the funny thing is I got more followers from being the fan favorite.
Speaker: So that was just interesting.
Speaker: I love that.
Speaker: Well, you don't have any bachelor regrets, I feel like, besides some clothes, which that's good.
Speaker: I feel like most people have more.
Speaker: So congratulations.
Speaker: I'm cool.
Speaker: I get it.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: Eric, thank you so much to everyone where they can follow you and your books again.
Speaker: And I'll let you go on with your day.
Speaker: Thank you.
Speaker: You've been great.
Speaker: Great.
Speaker: We go ahead.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So you can follow me on Instagram.
Speaker: Eric Bigger, E-R-I-C-B-I-G-G-E-R.
Speaker: Follow me on Twitter.
Speaker: I am on Twitter posting daily.
Speaker: Eric underscore Bigger.
Speaker: My books, Transformation, Change Your Mindset, Change Your Energy, Change Your Life is on Amazon as well as 100 Days of Wisdom.
Speaker: So you can find those two and you can click the link in my bio because I have all my stuff on there.
Speaker: Also, I have merch.
Speaker: It's Miracle Season merch.
Speaker: I have mugs, I have hats, I have hoodies.
Speaker: Yeah, you can get some Miracle Season merch as well.
Speaker: Just click the tap link in my bio on Instagram.
Speaker: DM me if you like this interview, tell me about it.
Speaker: And I just appreciate this platform from Us Weekly and Sarah.
Speaker: And just thank you.
Speaker: Really appreciate it.
Speaker: And to anyone who has supported me over the years and watched me grow, thank you.
Speaker: Because of you, I've been stronger and better.
Speaker: Because a lot of times, you know, people don't get to see our tough times or our tough days, but it'd be moments where a fan might just watch a show for the first time in South Africa, right?
Speaker: And it'd give me so much motivation or I might be having a tough day of getting things done and someone's like, man, I'm so inspired by your quotes.
Speaker: Like, so much as we are people's savior, people love us, but I appreciate the fans and the people who support and it's been there since day one.
Speaker: If I could hug everybody, I would.
Speaker: So I don't take those people for granted because they help.
Speaker: And a lot of times that they don't know, just like I help people a lot of times that I don't know.
Speaker: So it's an even exchange and I'm thankful for it.
Speaker: I'm feeling inspired.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: I got to go.
Speaker: I got to make the most of this week now.
Speaker: I can't waste this.
Speaker: Yes, indeed.
Speaker: Yes, indeed.
Speaker: Motivation.
Speaker: Thank you so much, Eric.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: Well, have a good one.
Speaker: Thanks again.
Speaker: Peace and love.
Speaker: Thank you all for tuning in to another episode of Here for the Right Reasons.
Speaker: Thank you, Bachelor Nation.
Speaker: And thank you, listeners.
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