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Episode 023 - No way... 🫨
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Did you miss us? This week is heavy heavy heavy on Acolyte episode 5 discussion and future speculation. We briefly discuss what we've been up to for the last couple of days but that's not what you're here for.
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00:00:01
Speaker
Hello and welcome to episode number 23 of Just Chillin. I know it's been a very, very, very long time since you last heard from us, ah but I am one of your hosts, Sean Hoffman. And I'm your other very sweaty host, Andy Bell. I am Excited to talk with you today. i'm like I'm interested to see how the format of this episode goes because I was thinking about it before we got on. I'm like, dude, there's no way I can sit there and walk through a checklist of the things that I saw in that episode and be like, though you know, it was really colorful. It's like, no, no, this is going to go off the rails very quickly. um But anyways,
00:00:52
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How are you, dude? what's like I know it's been a while, but I know you're getting ready for vacation and stuff. like what's what's it going What's going on in Andy's world? I keep seeing your do not disturb on Discord, so you're really busy. When you say it's been a while, you mean yeah mean it's been three days? Yes. So it's been three days since we last spoke. Yes, okay, no worries. No, I'm good, thanks buddy. it is The heat is ramping in the UK at the moment as a as ah as ah as a country and as a culture, we can't we can't deal with it. Outside temperatures at the moment is i around about 30 degrees Celsius, which I think is around about approaching, what is that in in in Fahrenheit? It is around,
00:01:36
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um is around only in your terms, only around 86 degrees Fahrenheit. However... You have for me. That's hot. Well, as you know, I i record my work in a shed or ah a wooden cabin at the bottom of my garden. um And the temperature in this in this particular room at this moment, which is the reason why I'm seeing my rather rosy cheeks, oh is... is 92 degrees Fahrenheit. So the it's actually cooler outside than it is inside, which is um interesting. But yeah, it's hot. It's good. It's just just rubbish because we're not we're not set up for it. And yes, I am getting ready for a holiday. um What is it? What day of the day? Wednesday. So um five days from now, four days from now, sorry, um I'll be on a plane to even sunnier climbs where they can cope with the heat and
00:02:35
Speaker
We'd be on a beach doing a little bit of sailing as a family because we like our sailing i in in the amazing country of Portugal. So yeah, I'm looking forward to that. Apart from that, it's only been three days, so I don't have an awful lot to update you. So I might as well talk about what I've been watching and the news I've picked up in one go um before we get onto the main topic of discussion tonight. um haven't watched an awful lot at all apart from if you remember last week I think I talked to you about Lucy and I
00:03:15
Speaker
um hammering the in-betweeners to get a little bit of fun and excitement back in our lives. Yeah, we're rewatching the Derry Girls. I don't know if you know the Derry Girls. Derry Girls is basically eight. Fine. so so It's ah it's a it's ah ah of of its time um comedy series about a bunch of girls that go to attend a ah Roman Catholic school in in Northern Ireland um during the troubles in inverted commas. And the comedy from it is hilarious. And it's basically a satire of the whole situation in Northern Ireland, um which is purely down to
00:03:57
Speaker
ah religious beliefs between the um ah the Catholics and the Protestants um and it is good fun and so we're re-watching that at the moment. Outside of that I haven't watched anything else apart from I would say the the second episode of the House of Dragon where it's all kicking off again, but I don't really want to go into that at the moment. um it's Apart from saying it's good, it's really, really good. ah Still seems to be quite tame when it comes down to the blood and the violence. it's still quite a
00:04:34
Speaker
a pedestrian. And I can only i can only suggest that it's going to kick off at some point. um Apart from that, I've done absolutely nothing in three days, apart from trying to pretend I'm doing an awful lot of work at work, ah rather than um really pretend I'm working and getting ready for my holiday. Nice. What about yourself? then Um, it's hot here too. It's not that hot. Um, and it was, I mean, it feels like it is. I'm in, I'm in my windowless room, uh, with a fan on me currently, cause it's currently 78 degrees outside, but it's also 10 AM. m Um, it looks like it's cool in the up. Nope. It's going to be hot again. Great. Fantastic. Um,
00:05:20
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it gonna be hot for the next couple days. I should probably get the air conditioner out because we have we have no air conditioning in our home. Yay, houses built in the 60s. So I'm probably gonna be doing that. I've been doing a lot of ah putting things away after the month long, not being home and just it seems like it's end it funny. I don't know if you're you're like this too. But when you get ready to go for a trip, it's like, As much as you plan and try to pack earlier, whatever, it's like the last 20 minutes before you leave. It's like, you know, we should do we should destroy the whole house. We should take we should open all the cabinets, pull everything out, throw. It's like a tornado runs through. And it's like, where's that one thing I forgot? Destroy everything. And then you come home. It's like, what the hell happened in here? What happens? It's a now. got burled Yeah, I got burgled by myself trying to find a fanny pack before we left.
00:06:10
Speaker
Um, so yeah, I've been trying to put all that back together. Like what's nice is you can, you can't really see it in my camera view. Cause it's all like down here. You can kind of see this pile sp burgeoning up into my, my camera view a little bit. Um, but every, there's just stuff everywhere. So I've been doing a lot of that. Um, I haven't, I haven't really watched anything. Have I, what have I, what have I been doing? Like, do you ever have that? We're just like, what have I literally done? No, it's like, but what what have I done the last couple of nights? Like I went on a bike ride last night and watched the acolyte. What did I do the night before? Hell, I don't know. Probably sat on Instagram or something and scrolled for way too long. Heck, I don't, I have no idea. But then watch anything else. I mean, oh, yesterday I caught up on a ton of podcasts. um It's nice to hear that, you know, most of most of my ideas weren't original. um Great minds think alike, even though we were all wrong.
00:07:04
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um Yeah, it's just hot. I'm excited to have nothing on the the horizon thinking about maybe going to the beach this weekend. Nice. That'd be cool. um If you like sailing, I know there's people who sail around Lake Tahoe. I don't know how well. Oh, dude, it's ah it's on the bucket list. So the bucket list, when we see you, I need to I need to find a boat. Yeah. Love that shit. But other than, um oh, one thing I'm trying to do is I'm trying to not pull the trigger on the Dark Falcon and
00:07:41
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ah That Lego Star Wars book that they have on on not on sale It's not on sale, but they have for sale on Legos website And I think the total price what I said to you a screenshot. It's like it's the two of those combined is currently set at three hundred and thirty US dollars um and it's not hard to not pull the trigger, but i I keep this shopping cart page pulled up and I'm like But I really kind of want it. I do I do kind of the isn't that the isn't there an animated movie coming up that that comes from the the old dark alternative yeah the alternative the alternative um isn't that from something soon like like star wars what if i believe i think so i think i remember talking about this one time oh how bad are we
00:08:35
Speaker
I just want the minifigs. I just want the the the Jedi Darth Vader, the Darth Jar Jar, the Beach Luke with ah blue milk the carton of blue milk, Dark Rey, and the ah Bounty Hunter C-3PO. It's like, can I just buy those? like I don't really want the whole ship. I don't have room for it. But I want to just buy those new, please. Not for $180 US dollars. And I do want that book as well, The Force of Creativity. I don't know if you've seen that yet. It's a I think it's a book. Yeah, no. Yeah, it's a copy label. Yeah. I think I i actually think. Sick. I actually think it's only the set. I don't think it's got anything to do with a production. I could be wrong. Or maybe they made that commercial as like a commercial for it, like an announcement for the set. That's right. Around um by the phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it was. Um.
00:09:35
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Damn, that's expensive. Anyways, rebuild the galaxy. No, I don't blame you. I don't blame you. However, ah do have sorry sorry. I'm sorry to interrupt. I did forget something because you were talking about merch. um Last week I talked about a ah particular Uh, toy ah peter of dolly. I've been offered to quite a while, um, because I love the absurdity of the, um, the, uh, the power of the Jedi's line because they're insane. I finally arrived today. So mint on card.
00:10:09
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Oh, mint on card for power of the Jedi. Can you believe that? Oh wait, mint on card, mint on card. I've got ah the Dajaric champion Chewbacca. Now Chewbacca is my boy, as you know, and I've pretty much got every Chewbacca that you can think of across SH Figure Arts 3.75 and obviously Black Series as well. And thanks to Chris Hall, ah the bootleg crap as well that he's ah he's, ah, I'm just in love with. Anyway, point being, I've pretty much got all of them. This one has been elusive. And it's elusive because um
00:10:48
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it's um It's a re-enactment of the scene where ah in A New Hope where he wins at cheats, wins, I don't know, threatens his way to win the game of Dejarik with R2. And it's just basically a figure that you could do pretty much nothing with because yeah it's got its He's got his hands up behind his head in that famous moment where let him win. It's not wise they went to to to upset a Wookiee, but sir yada, yada, yada. Yeah, but Wookiees don't, sorry, but droids don't pull your arms out of their sockets. Wookiees are known to do that. It's that moment there with an accompanying de jurec table with it as well. And so that that finally came through today. I paid way too much for
00:11:37
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some plastic, but it was affordable. And bearing in mind, I've been looking for this for quite a while now. It's just a bit of fun, right? it's now is with It is completely worthless, but it'ss it's good fun. And oh, it's got a little seat as well. Anyway, i've I've been looking forward to this for quite a while. So um that came through today. So what I talked about last week, I can finally say I have it in hand, and it's immaculate. Nice. You know that when that was being produced and there was like approvals being done, there was somebody in that chain of, chain that but that that approval chain that says, what what is this? Like why, you can't do anything with it. And like, he's not sitting and it's like, and it's so suggestive. Like, yeah, we we as Star Wars fans know that that's when he, won that's from that very specific scene where he's putting his hands behind his head.
00:12:32
Speaker
But he's standing. And so it's like you look at it, if you don't know what if you don't know what it is, like there was somebody in that chain who was like, it's very suggestive. And then the designer just looks at him and goes, yeah, I know. But who cares? Like just like this will be hilarious. We'll be able to look back on this and it will be funny. There's a young man 25 years from now that would really appreciate this because it's it's wrong in all the right areas. So no, I've got that. so I'm very happy. um That is going to take part of but sorry ah moved away from the my yeah that's going to take prior to place up here ah in the in the shed in the in the sauna, sorry and um yeah no so sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you there, but I i did want to give you an update on on the purchases. Nice. nice i mean i don't I don't think
00:13:25
Speaker
i've got I don't think I've gotten anything else. I've been working my way through all my jelly beans. um Does have been good. I don't, I feel like death a little bit at times. um The sugar crashes are real, but yeah, other than that, there's not not a whole lot else going on. um Yeah. So we are good. So I, I mean, let's let's be fair. I have not picked up on any news in three days. And I'm actually okay if I don't, so long as we can fast track to the next point, which is what the hell happened today in the acolyte. Are you okay with that? If we move on. Yeah, I don't have any news. Cool. So buddy.
00:14:13
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Episode one, two, three, four, five. I'm still a little bit numb, to be honest with you. i i i For a guy that isn't into the whole Sith lore, the whole lightsaber,
00:14:32
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slash, slash, bang, bang kind of stuff. um I don't think I've ever seen anything like it before in the context of the show of the of this particular show. it's very i mean I mean, people are already talking about, you know, compared to Andor. It's like, well, no, it's two very, very different things. So you can't even you can't even compare them. it's It's not even worth comparing them. But compared to the other things that we have had, which has has included Jedi lore and and and um ah combat and and the rest of it, I
00:15:05
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I came away really flabbergasted from the whole thing. What are your thoughts? So I've had a little bit more time to think about it. Um, I watched it when it dropped yesterday and then immediately went on like an hour and a half long or an hour long bike ride with Madison. So I'm just like stewing on. I would just had some time to just sit there, like not get on the internet and just like stew on and be like. Okay, like what? What happened? Like I, I don't think I was, like I was kind of like, I kind of had this like euphoria when I finished watching it yesterday. I'm like, I don't think I've ever had a piece of Star Wars. Like I'm talking about kind of the show as a whole, but kind of, but like specifically last episode, like where it went. It's like, I don't think I've ever had an episode kind of bring every emotion, not every emotion, but ah so many emotions, so strongly.
00:15:59
Speaker
ever I think this is probably the most besides like season six or four of rebels something that happened but like for of a Single season show with like episode like that's not been a long very long. It's like it made me feel so much like ah Yeah, there was like initial feelings of like, damn, it is, it is, it is him. Oh, damn, it is a Sith. Like, but there was not like a disappointment. It's just kind of like a little bit of a sinking. And I was like, ah, you know, whatever. But I thought the way they did it was like, I'm happy with it. I'm like, I don't care. Like we were wrong. We were super wrong. But it's like, and it was kind of the obvious pick. But we also have three episodes left. So I'm like, I think there's still a lot to go. It's almost like eating a multi-course meal where it's like,
00:16:47
Speaker
Whoa, h one each one's like better than the last and it's like, well, why do we still have left? Oh my God, this is crazy. um i There were times where I felt like extremely happy. There were times that I felt like, I don't think I felt like absolutely gutted in a Star Wars show like this, like something that you didn't see coming necessarily, or like, you can always kind of have a prediction, like Star Wars kind of has a formula. So like, you usually know, like, have a feeling of what's coming, but man, um there there were some parts where I'm like, that that genuinely surprised me um in a good way, because I like where this is going. I still have a lot of questions, and that's OK. I'm digging it. um i think And I'm hoping more and more people will see that. Not the people I don't care about, but like I'm hoping more of our friends come around to it as the season wraps up and we get to hold the big picture. Very memento-esque.
00:17:42
Speaker
um But I'm just shocked that they like so much happened so early on um in the season. It's not like an end of season culmination, but no, I'm excited. I loved it. I think it was super cool.
00:17:55
Speaker
I was rambling. No, it wasn't at all. um I'm still trying to digest. i mean i i Because of the new scheduling, and I have to see it on ah on a Wednesday. I see it on a Wednesday. um Luckily, our buddy Josh over at Star Wars spell out has me joining him during my lunch break at work for his kind of review of of of the episode of the week. And we were able to ah This week we would yeah it was myself, Catherine, and Josh just on our own kind of reviewing, ah thinking about what we'd just seen. And I literally had just seen it. I'd seen it literally an hour before we started recording. So i was um what I felt was like rambling because I didn't i didn't hadn't really formed much many ideas in my head.
00:18:44
Speaker
as to as to where we are at the moment to try and to try and make sense of what I've just seen, um which is really cool. It's actually really, really cool to have me having no idea where this is going to go now. Of course, I've got some ideas we all have, but but um two takeaways from this this week were
00:19:08
Speaker
I hope that today is just, it kind of proved to perhaps some of the naysayers or indeed some of our friends that want to remain positive and and maybe have not enjoyed the last couple of episodes. um I hope it's justification for them to, or sorry, it explains why so much time, certainly the last two episodes has been spent on character development. Cause like many, I found the last couple of episodes interesting, but Okay, if that makes sense, you know interesting, but okay and a lot to speculate on What I didn't perhaps appreciate was the amount of character development development that they that they did um On our on our on our heroes in particular, you know The likes of Jackie the likes of of Yord and um
00:20:07
Speaker
And seeing them wiped out, oh by the way, sport is very warm, we're talking about it. um And seeing them wiped out like that. was a real gut punch for me, because I hadn't perhaps appreciated how much time and effort had been put into building them as characters, whether we liked them, loathed them, or got frustrated by them. We talked about Yord last week, in my mind, as being deliciously pompous, because he was ah yeah a new corporate lab, you know im trying to trying to fit into his new shoes. And it was seeing that all snuffed that in one go was was was quite the gut punch.
00:20:45
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Secondly, the second emotion I had was, oh, damn it, we were completely wrong. I felt really enthused when I like i spoke to you on Sunday um about pretty much the mutual speculation speculating that we had done, albeit independently. And while both of us had very, very different um opinions as to who the or ideas as to who the the acolyte or the the master would be, we pretty much were we're seeing from the same hymn shape. And it's not that person, it's the it's the it's the guy that we thought well was too obvious to be. And we'll talk about that in a second. But the great thing about having a conversation with Josh and the guys before
00:21:34
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before this before we're recording is that maybe, maybe, and I'm holding on by my fingernails here, maybe our our theory is not dead yet. because maybe yes maybe, maybe. Let's put a pin in that one because I think I have some thoughts and know what to do. Okay, fine. Okay, fine. Okay, so so so yes, at they're my biggest two takeaways, but the rest of it I thought was deliciously violent and brutal and really unforgiving. and i'm I'm genuinely gutted for folk that they've spent so long
00:22:14
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developing their characters, and I'm sorry to be repeating myself, ah ah only for them to be snuffed out. And that's really upsetting in a nice way. Because it's good drama. I'll expand on it. I mean, it's there were there were some things that I thought were some really, that I've never really seen done super well in Star Wars, in this this episode specifically. to your point about like you're gutted because of like the character development for these characters that we lost. It's like, and that right there is the difference between the way we feel towards losing Yord and Jackie versus Anakin slaughtering the younglings. It's like, there's no, like we all we all joke about it, but there's no emotional connection to younglings and he slaughtered a room full of them.
00:23:03
Speaker
but a character that we, two characters that we've got to know over a couple episodes and form relationships with with other characters. And you just see, so like, Jackie specifically, it's like, I posted some stuff in the Discord. I didn't mean it as like a joke of like, Uh, like anti-Jekie. It's like, no, dude, she fought like an absolute badass and it made it that much more compelling. It's like as a Padawan, just going and going and going to fighting, fighting, fighting. It's like, yes, she's holding her own. Yes. Here we go. Okay. She can blast it through doors. And then just to get the, the pop, pop, pop, like three hole treatment. It's just like, you just like, it just sucks the wind out of you. And it's like, dang, like.
00:23:46
Speaker
I really enjoyed that character. Like it gives it life and it's like, see these episodes aren't filler. It's character development is critical to, to, to causing you to have emotions and feelings. Whether we realize it or not, that's what supplementary material is. That's what books and comics and, but the skill, the skill and the philosophy. Exactly. The skill and the philosophy ferocity that she fought only added to that character development. Yeah. um there was no reason why I would expect her to die in that conflict because you you you have, what, four episodes prior to this of her of her um building ah to be this smart, intelligent, enabled, empowered, skillful young lady
00:24:47
Speaker
who then demonstrates her ability in her in a fighting in a fighting um um repertoire or whatever, you know fighting stance. And the fact she she lost, it's almost immaterial because she's such a fucking badass, but unfortunately she lost and we won't see her again. And and that's the bit that's like, ah, damn it. Damn it. it's all part ah It's all part of that bigger that bigger thing too. like Well, it's all part of good writing. It's all part of really good writing, man. I mean, the fact that I you know the fact the fact that i thought that she had a chance to win, the fact that I thought she had a chance to win, or she had a chance to get away, um still right to the very, very bitter end.
00:25:42
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I mean, the way she's, ah, man, what a character, what a character. Anyway, sorry. but i and there's and there's there's No, the Jackie thing is is also part of a big point that I wanted to make too of like, I don't know what to call this emotional feeling that there's, there's like movies and stuff that stand out in my mind over, over time that I've watched, where there's a moment that just kind of like, it emotionally guts you in a certain way. Yeah just remember it like it's not that's not what I wanted I get it was it's a good thing cuz it's like a part of the story that makes you feel something. But it's like it sticks with you it's like that and there's two examples i' like one it's like. Whatever the Jurassic Park movie is where like the dynasty t-rex eats the dog and he's like got the chain hanging out of his mouth it's like they didn't need to do that like it's.
00:26:25
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like Like you just feel it's like that dog didn't deserve that. And then in Saving Private Ryan near the end where like the guys, the two guys are wrestling and they got the knife and he's like begging him to stop. And it's like, no, yeah no, don't, don't do that. Please don't do that. It's like, and this is like, yeah you want, you want Jackie to win so bad or to get away. But it's like, no, we're not, we're not getting that. There's no exit. And I think that's part of this, this larger thing. The other piece that I thought they did really well was they
00:26:59
Speaker
They... I've never seen Jedi actually afraid. I've seen it in the books, like in some of the High Republic books, but when Yord was in the forest with the bugs, and it's like, he's trying to get back to you, he's like, no, I got an order, like... Yeah, he's following orders. He's a he's a he's, you know, a rule follower. But there was a a huge overlay of fear in that of like, this is what this I'm not prepared for this. He told us to leave. we We got to go. Like, yeah, it's following the rules. But like, there's a huge underpinning of like,
00:27:31
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almost she His had cracked and then you go in and it's like, they just made hit it just made ah the baddie, the ghoul, the stranger actually. the stranger It made the stranger so much more terrifying. <unk>s like yeah yeah we've never seen and We've only seen Jedi like confident going in and be like, ah, my nemesis, that's the heroes. But like to have them come across it and they handle it so well, like, hey, we're just galactic cops. Now it's like, no, there's a very competent baddie who is wrecking people. yeah That is just so so awesome. And if you think about it, if you think about it, and and this and and and um and what I loved about Yord's performance, the guy that plays Yord, I'm really sorry guys, I can't remember the guy's name, but the guy guy that plays Yord is that he's been deliciously pompous up until now. He's shown empathy and had
00:28:26
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um Osha's back up until now, when it's appropriate. So for example, when Torbin took his own life, um and he followed Osha and told the truth. um So he's honourable. ah yeah He's pompous, but he's honourable. He's got a good heart. And like I said last week, Osha still thinks of him affectionly affectionately, despite his pomposity. Um, seeing that genuine fear from him today, it's like, Oh, this is a, this is, this is something else. And don't get me wrong. It was very much your, but it was, it was, it was your that we don't, that, that, that, that wasn't so confident in what he's doing at the moment. And we talked a little bit about earlier on with, with, um, with Josh and Catherine, it was like, it was almost like, um,
00:29:17
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This guy is not playing by the rules. He's not playing by the rules and it's it's almost... um back in the First World War. And the and analogy I use is when when when tanks were introduced in the First World War, you people would normally you know organize, almost organize. what What time is war today? They'd work out a time, certainly back in the 1800s, as to when when two sides would have a war, and it would be gentlemanly in inverted commas. And the last man standing would win the war. And I get the feeling that that there's been so much
00:29:52
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Jedi dogma and tradition for so long that they that that I mean, you're very clearly said he I can't I can't anticipate him. I can't I can't work out what he's doing. He's not fighting the way I want him to fight. He's not. He's breaking the rules. It's almost ceremonial. And it's real. It's absolutely wicked. And I think that and while you can say that about the Sith. In general.
00:30:21
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I think it's pretty unique for this program, sorry, for this for this this season. And again, if you think about the the the the aerobics or the the physicality of this of this um of this sword fight, I got um i very much thought about it in comparison to the Phantom Menace. And the Phantom Menace was a beautiful, balletic dance between yeah someone equally as ferocious as... as um
00:30:54
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as more and someone as astute as Kenobi, for example, or indeed prior to that before he got wiped out quite gone as well. But it was very much, it looked, I mean, it looked beautiful and it looked ferocious, but it looked parry counter, parry counter. It was very, very traditional type of saber fighting. um And one could predict the other one's movements and it's when you can't, when there's a slight of hand or what have you, ah or something else happens that that that it doesn't work out for the for the opponent. But in this case, it was visceral. It was it was gnarly. It was absolutely gnarly.
00:31:40
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where it didn't matter if they fell by the saber or the hand, and I'm sure we'll talk about this in a second, when it comes down to your in particular, but but you know it didn't matter with by the saber, by the hand, by the knife, by the fingers, but this guy was out to kill everything anyway he could. ah It didn't really, it was not about, I mean, the in that case, the saber was a tool, not part of him, if that makes sense. Yeah. Normal normal Jedi fights, like lightsaber fights feel like a boxing match or yeah like an acrobatic choreographed kind of thing ah or like fencing. This felt like a street fight.
00:32:27
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This felt like a knockdown drag out, like you see a difference in that kind of fighting. And I'm all for it, man. I'm all for it. I thought it was awesome. Yeah, none of these are complaints. This is all just like ah like the different feeling that it made you feel. It's like yeah everybody's gonna be like, oh, the the fighting was amazing. It's like the fighting was amazing and it's the choreography and the modern athleticism of all of the actors involved. But it's just like the the emotion that they were able to pull out, the the desperation, ah the panic of the of the Jedi of like, what are we doing? I think Jackie handled it the best.
00:33:07
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um better than any any of their others yeah but it's still not enough because it's like you're they're they're not it's like this is the first instance of like you could be trained all you want but until you dig deeper and and and get whatever that is below the training. like you're not It's not enough, yeah that because the ghoul, the stranger guy, he's yeah he's he's locked in. he's He's locked in, he is funneling that full energy, and he is he is just he's running on just 110% octane, let's go. like Just almost toying with him in a way, too. like He never felt...
00:33:49
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ah like, bested. There were times where like, yeah, okay, yeah, you get wind to get knocked around, whatever. But like, yeah I never felt like he was gonna lose. um Just kind of mess with people. and It's just, it's so visceral. You were never gonna get some sort of vulnerable, i I yield. If you remember the fight between Anakin and Dooku on the Separative ship at the beginning of um Revenge of the Sith, you've got you know, Dooku is bested, and he knows he's bested. And he's sitting there, I wouldn't say begging for his life, but he's sitting there on his knees, um waiting for a decision of how ah from Anakin as to how he will be dealt with. And then you get the whole the whole thing between Palpatine, you know, do it, and then you've got um
00:34:43
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the conflict in Anakin about, I should take him in. It's like, no, do it. And we know, we know what the rest, you know, the rest is history. As they say, with this guy, there's going to be no, there's going to be no honor in the conflict that whatever happens is going to be no conflict. And many times we saw him be invested, but he's like, um He's like a feral animal that's been that's been backed into a corner. He will gouge, scratch, bite, crawl his way out of any situation to get the upper hand.
00:35:17
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um
00:35:20
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And the word I use it here on, and I use it again, is there's something very animalistic about the fighting style, which again, was showed the skill of more, but also the ah pure violence of of of someone like, um and and yeah, the pure violence and and Things felt like they had weight. They had they had weight to them. It wasn't... Well, I i kept thinking of... there was There was a few times where he was single-handed for a start, and he was showing the kind of... um
00:35:54
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adeptness. Is that a word adeptness? Or he was he was showing the ability to be able to wield a saber with a single hand like Dooku did, because he was very much a fencer, because it was very much a fencer when it came down to to to lifesaver. Then he you know, he showed the balletic or the the um the the aerobics of of of um of more. And then you'd see the kind of stabby, stabby, less slashy, slashy approach of someone like Palpatine or Sidious. It was a combination of many, many different styles that was kind of veneered in this in this kind of nasty feral. I don't know if you heard the the the noise that was going on as he was attacking folk. it was it was It was something else. And I thought it was really, really good. And I said,
00:36:52
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I'll say it now, what I said earlier on today, which was, do at the moment in my in my brain, because it's still so fresh, it's the best lightsaber fight I've ever seen. But then again, yeah it's fresh in my mind at the moment. So so um'm not but I'm not naive enough to think, you know, there aren't anything else, there's nothing else there, it's better. but But I just thought it was ace. Well, the purify that. pure Sorry. Go ahead. No, go ahead. No, no, i want don't you finish that. no No, no, no, no. I was going to say that the pure desperation and, and like I said, I'm repeating myself, the animalistic side.
00:37:32
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style of the fighting just really landed with me. It was desperation. It was fantastic. Sorry, mate. Bingo. then that's that's That's exactly what I wanted to add to it. it's like Because I think it's easy to say, oh, this is my favorite one or just dismiss it. It's like, oh, it's the most recent. But it's it reminds me of the Kylo and Rey The Last Jedi fight. it' It's my favorite right now. And like I think that's probably my second favorite just because of the the nature of it. It's not just a twirly flashy acrobatic things like that. Like it took it took what I think that gained the the the Ray and Kylo and where it became more visceral people actually fighting.
00:38:14
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Like it's not just a sword fight where there's rules and circumstance, whatever. It's like, no, they're trying to kill you. And I think this just took that and amplified it to to attend. And it's and I think there's going to be people like, oh, because it's long. It's good because it's long. It's like, no, it could have you could have cut that first half out completely. And it's not about the duration. It is about the animalistic, the brutality, the desperation, the emotions that they were able to convey in such a short amount of time and very short clips and scenes from the actors. It's not just about memorizing the choreography. This took it to a whole different level. I'm in 100% agreement with you. Yeah.
00:39:04
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i did I did have a couple things that I wanted to mention, but before we get into like theorizing, there was like one goofy thing I just gotta mention that I'm like, I don't know if you picked up on it. um I'm sure it's probably nothing, but the fact that they kept doing it, it's like it's just it's like it's stuck in my brain. And that thing is, every time they they kept having people fall to the ground, and then that dusty dirt stuff like fly up into their face. Like multiple times. And it's it's so it was so bizarre. I'm like, are they are they going to go somewhere with like this like, oh hallucinogenic things aren't what you seem because like the ground is actually something different because they just kept emphasizing it. Like they don't just have somebody fall, but they fall. And then it's like, oh, you fall into a pile of cocaine. And it's like poof. And you're like, oh.
00:39:54
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you know I don't know. What happened? But if you remember at the very, very beginning when Osha wakes up from being thrown to the side, and we have a a theory about, you know, why wasn't she killed? But anyway, Osha being thrown to the side, there were some red marks, which looked like a handprint actually, on the ground as to when when the, when um Come here stranger push stranger pushed him away when he when he pushed them away It's clear. There's clearly something going on in the forest floor there because um The ground is brown
00:40:32
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The earth underneath it is red. Reminded me a little bit of, you know, like crates, for example, with the you know, the idea of the top level of the surface being being so white. Whether it has a meaning, I've got no idea, mate, whether it's just a visual aesthetic. I'm cool with that. It's not a problem. We've seen it before. I'll be having a set of presents. So I'm OK with it. It's not weird. It's not weird that they kept emphasizing it. um Was there anything else that you picked up on before we get into the obvious like theorizing about things that were said in like the future and where things are going? Of course. I rate you a list. Look at that. That looks that looks frantic. I rate you a list this morning. So.
00:41:24
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in, in sequential order, because whatever I talk about this morning with, you know, with Josh, and the team is like, I also need, I have an obligation to my own podcast. And I need to make sure that I, I talked to, I talked to um Sean about what I'm thinking. And there's a very good chance between here. And then I'll forget all about it. So I'll write it down. So okay, first of all, um the armor, his armor, his bracer, and his helmet diffuses the sabres, which I thought was cool. And subsequently I've seen our buddy, uh, horse, for example, say that this might be a, um, something called, is it cortoise or cortosis? Yeah. Cortosis. Sorry. Uh, armor, which is from the, uh, the new Republic games. Either way, I thought it was cool. Um, I'm not going to, okay. Anyone that thinks that's.
00:42:20
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wrong because it's already in the EU, which we should satisfy a certain type of person at the moment. But also on top of that, we've already got, you know, we've already got Beskar. So we know that Beskar can already resist the the blow from a lightsaber. What's to say there's not another material that can't ah diffuse it what's or all disrupt? Wasn't there stuff in the fallen order games too that did that as well? it's Like not quite the same, but I mean, this isn't, I don't know why people get, people just want to be, if they're hung up on that, they just want to be hung up one shut on shit. I don't know. Um, I talk, I, I, I picked up on the furious fighting and I've said more, more and one.
00:43:04
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in one fight, which I thought, you know, in one fighter, sorry, which I've already covered. um Oh God, sick, sick. We've never seen it before in Star Wars. um When he pulls a Jedi onto the saber that he's already lanced with somebody else. That was insane. Oh my God, dude. We've never seen anything like that. I mean, we may or may not have seen that before in other types of films, but you know, he's already skewered. and have at the end of the sabre. But a cool way to kill, right? that's but anyway but i will Absolutely. I'm with you. I'm with you. I mean, never, ever seen anything like that before. And I thought that was particularly sick.
00:43:51
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um see I got really distracted. I got really distracted with Khmer. running after Osha and we talked about maybe last week if not the week before about you know why didn't no it was last week because why didn't he kill her last week and he threw her to the side and then he went after and I can't help thinking that well as it at the time when I wrote this down I couldn't help think he's got he's got other plans for Osha um because he's been let down by by um by May.
00:44:30
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um Weird bit, Sol knows him, or he knows Sol, either way. So let me take a step forward. Binding out, it was Khmer at the end, behind the whole thing. It's a little bit like, it was Agatha all along.
00:44:54
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it so I must admit at the start, I was a little bit disappointed. It's like, shit, we, we, we predicted this, but the way, so when I, when we found out that it was him, I was a little bit disappointed. I must admit, but then subsequently the way the rest of the episode panned out, I was like, Oh yeah. Okay. Fine. No, I'm okay. I can get over that because A it's introduced new questions. um And secondly, what a badass. What an absolute badass. So they follow that. I think I think it's easy to be disappointed by that because when they follow one trope, it's easy to assume that they're going to follow all the others. But when they did that, but then it just completely went a different direction. You're like, OK, well, maybe maybe they're on to something here. Like, well, we're doing we're doing it more complex Star Wars. I feel as if they compensated my disappointment in
00:45:51
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assuming the obvious sorry we negated the obvious we didn't think it could be him because it's way too obvious but it ended up being him but they compensated for that in the story by actually Oh, asking new questions that we don't know yet. We don't know the answers to yet. So for example, despite the fact that it ends up being the person that we always thought it was and therefore can't be, um, he knows soul soul recognize something about him. There is something familiar about him that soul. So, so there is, again, it it could be 16 years ago, you know, the missing parts that we don't know about yet, or it could be something completely different either way. It's another.
00:46:35
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It's another, you know, while one thread is closed or one, while what one thread is tied up, another one is um is is is unraveled. So I really like that part of it. And so I don't have any problem at all. ah it being we're we're We're playing checkers, they're playing chess. and so Yeah, exactly. it's it's it's it's not It really is nuts. The helmet, for example. um
00:47:02
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It looked imposing last week. Um, although I did point out that the frame of the body is sinewy. It's very slight. It's very, I mean, now you've seen him, it's, it's very, very muscular. And i I can envy a body like that. But the point being is that it didn't, it didn't kind of make much sense apart from it being. unnecessary aesthetics or unnecessary decoration, ah knowing now that it's used as a weapon or a defensive mechanism. But not only that slight magnetos helmet in the marvels, sorry, in Marvel, ah in the in the X-Men, and it it's actually used to prevent the Jedi from getting into his brain, I think is wicked. I think it's absolutely brilliant, because
00:47:52
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If you look at Khmer, whatever he is, whatever, and we'll talk about that later on, but whatever he is, if you look at him, he looks sick until he sticks that stupid helmet on. and He looks like ah looks like a funko. It's a big-ass helmet. I fucking love it. I love it. On this frame. Now we know what it is. I'm like, dude, that's fantastic. And we we we know what it serves a purpose. Again, like I said, it diffuses lightsaber blades. And secondly, it stopped the Jedi from getting into his head. So very, very, very magneto. So I like that. um Again, he knows what Sol did. So that was kind of reaffirmed ah later on. um One thing that I found really, really fascinating, it got me really excited, was before Khmer is
00:48:49
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Unveiled or we you know, we we he is We know who it is OSHA talks about her mother having the same abilities to be able to control people and I thought fuck Sean and I are right. I'll suggest we're right. It's it's nothing to do with the Sith. It's down to the mothers and Obviously three or four minutes later. It's like I know it's actually came here after all so um But i did it did get me a little bit excited that Oja talked about her mother's ability um when she was talking to Yord about what was going on at the moment. To be continued, because I've got a theory about this.
00:49:31
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um as ah As we suspected, they used the insects. We thought they'd use the insects again, because it seemed and they they seemed underutilized in the last episode. So they used that as a means to to escape. And the way that they brought those insects down on Khmer, I thought was wicked. And him being carried up into the trees to hopefully- So I have a thought on that one but before we move on. A grim demise, which never actually happened, because he slaughtered a lot of them. um but that But that was good at the time. I thought, yay, they're free. No, they're not.
00:50:06
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um Sorry, carry on. So with that, I do have to call out that my heart sank for our good friend Catherine for a minute, because I thought that was going to be a PIP sacrifice moment. of like, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, no. ah Pips, pips, pips head is is about to be sacrificed in a what is obviously not going to actually get rid of him permanently. But it's like, Oh, no. But then it's nice to see that he came back, which we can talk about in a minute. Yeah. but and i felt I felt for Catherine on that.
00:50:45
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I've always saved him as well. Basil, what a legend. Anyway, May runs away a lot. So about for four fifths of this, or three quarters of this episode, it's quite short episodes, only about half an hour or so. May runs away an awful lot, which
00:51:04
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I wrote down at this point during the watching, but I think I'd like to talk about it at the end because quite frankly, she runs away an awful lot trying to get away from everyone. She then has the face off with her sister. Her sister is then, you know, they they do the swaparoo and then she says that she loves her sister and yet she's
00:51:32
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And she said in the last episode that she's happy to turn herself into the Jedi so long as she can talk about the truth. And then she's doing this underhanded means of getting on board the Jedi ship. let so but let' let's let's let let's Let's work that out when we speculate later on. um Come here. um Fighting with one-handed again. ah Very Vader. I thought it was awesome. um
00:52:01
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the fact that he And this is the bit that we might need to leave until later when we speculate about what's going on at the moment. The fact that he doesn't give himself a label or doesn't feel see it feel necessary to follow any rules, um he says, you will you will call me a Sith. That's not a label that I i give myself. um suggests that they still might not be Sith. Anyway, that's that. Don't forget, you know, just because he walks around with a red lightsaber doesn't mean that he's Sith. At the end of the day, a red lightsaber means that the Kaiba has been bled. He's been bled because of the the dark power within the individual that's wielding it. So um the fact that he kind of doesn't follow a rule
00:52:55
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or any rules, including the rules of the Sith, kind of makes me think, ah have you and I still got a theory about this that that might come true in the end? Which also would back up Keiri's bullshit by the Phantom Menace. Anyway, there was that. um I think after he lost the bobblehead, he looked sick, absolutely sick. Talk about a ripped, grungy Sith Lord or, He doesn't be saying them all. Anyway, talking about a ripped, grungy badass. He looked amazing. He looked absolutely amazing. And I thought, yeah, that's ah that's ah that's a dark side user for 2024.
00:53:40
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um um Still seems to be ah ah pursuing OSHA. um Gutted about Yord. um The fact that Mei stuns Sol is interesting. And the other thing that I had about Sol. Can that gun do anything else besides stun people? I don't think so. I don't know. Is it just a stun gun? I don't know. I don't know. And then lastly, why couldn't Sol sense Mei?
00:54:19
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So bearing in mind an awful lot of the episode was focused on. Both getting in each other's head, so your talks about. Or does he know it's not OSHA? Well, he's playing along. I'm glad you I'm glad you said that, because this is a completely this is something else outside, you know, subsequently worked out is that, you know, this episode is is all not only about the physicality, but also the. you know, they that that the the brain invasion that's going on between between both between both sides of the the force here. Khmer talks about, um you know, I'm wearing this helmet so you don't get in my head. Yord talks about you, you know, this guy gets in your head, he makes you question yourself and so on and so forth. um And then you have, so which would suggest
00:55:20
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force users can identify each other though relatively easy from, from, from, from, from empathy or some sort of empathic ability to, to, to, to tap into someone else's mind. Um, it's weird that May has got away with convincing soul. If she has to your point that she is indeed OSHA. And I like that you're going down the line that he knows already. That it's not, that it's not, it's made and and not OSHA. And that's everything I wrote down, mate. Um, I've got nothing else. i have a Um, I got a small list. I got a small list before we jump into the ah crazy.
00:56:05
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time when we're both wrong just epically uh so one of them was does he know yeah i don't think we are maybe maybe not you know uh i i could mark off my does he know it's osha not me and along those lines we can talk about him it's like does i assume the stranger knows that it's not
00:56:27
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May in its OSHA since she's not wearing the same thing, but i'll ill we'll talk about that in a minute. one of ah ah One of this is kind of a generalized thing. You kind of touched on it with the stranger. um um I keep calling him the stranger because that's what the subtitles were calling him when he was talking, calling him the stranger. um So that's where if people are wondering why I keep calling him that, that's where. um Because I'm a subtitle boy. um the The takeaway is this right here is a huge, huge feather in the cap of we need more young actors in Star Wars. go Physicality, the
00:57:03
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that I love. I love the oldies. I love the OG characters and they they they had their place and stuff, but it's like I this is so fresh and new. The because I remember when they did the premiere and they showed all of them, but like a lot of them were pretty covered up. But then you could you could know when you look at somebody you've seen in something else and you look at them now and it's like. Oh, they are they are in shape. And you look at all of them that were there. It's like, these people went through some frickin training for this show. And this you could see it here. It's like, yes, Jason from the good place is frickin like
00:57:41
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I do I i would as so I love I want that I want whatever he's on I don't wanna do the work but I want it that we sick. Like it's just it's so physical and then even like Jackie and the others like the physicality that that younger. actors can like bring to the table. And it's not that like Thor love and thunder, like, oh, you know I ate raw chicken for six months and worked out 19 hours a day. Not that kind, but this more, I call i call it like modern athleticism, like a functional athleticism look. So fresh, so awesome. Love it. More of that in Star Wars, please. Please and thank you. That was cool.
00:58:22
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um the there's There's nothing real, there's nothing really, it's not a positive or negative, it's just like, I love the interjection of what I am, I'm just calling the basil bullshit. It's not it's not bullshit, it's just two B's. Just the every once in a while something serious is going on and then basil, just run across the screen. It's like, I love the kind of emotional kind of screenplay of like, it is serious, but then there's also the the lightheartedness of like, oh, don't,
00:58:55
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If y'all, you forgot about, it could have easily just like been like Basil who we're moving on, but the fact that he's still there and still part critically part of this story, I think is very ah entertaining to say the least. Um, yeah, but he's, he's he's not there just to be cute. He's not. He's there as a plot point as well. You know what I mean? He's going to be there as a plot point without a doubt. But it's the shift in music and the shift in tone that immediately takes place. Yeah, I get it. And I think it's just hilarious. You just see him just shuffling across the ground. There was one that really made me laugh. I think it's when they first showed him again, where it's like something very emotional and serious just happened. And I think it's somebody running off distance and then
00:59:38
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It's almost like a like the Scooby-Doo running through the doors. Like, oh, look over here. The next thing you know, like somebody else runs across. like I thought it was a funny filmmaking device that they did to bring him back into things. Like he's almost oblivious to what's going on and he's still just tracking. And that's that's it. That's his sole purpose. He's just tracking stuff. um So I enjoyed that. um my my it's My one criticism that kind of stood out for me in the show. It's not a major negative. It's just kind of something that was kind of poking me in the back of the head that I i get why it was, but ah a part of me wishes they would have made different choices maybe after the fact, but that's cart before the horse kind of thing. The the parent trap scenes where both May and Osha were there,
01:00:30
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It felt lifeless and awkward because it's the same actress and they had to keep doing this over the shoulder stuff and the action felt disconnected. And it just felt like, damn, you went with two different younger actresses. It almost makes you wish they would have, but then they then they can't do the the, oh, we're the word we the parent, the the swap thing, but it's just like, yeah, but if its yeah bigger the challenge you have there is that you need to, you need you need you need to find a set of twins that have the acting chops that, you know, that, yeah, which is quite rare. and and And, you know, even though there are many, many, um there are many, many um acting
01:01:20
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acting um siblings out there that are identical twins. you know Typically,
01:01:28
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I don't know one of yet that hasn't been used outside of a... Sorry, what am I trying to say here? It's hard. It's hard. And I... Absolutely. I didn't have... I didn't struggle with what you did. Sorry. let me let me Let me flip it around because I love Amandla Stanberg's acting. yeah I think they're doing a really good job. but um I'm not a filmmaker, so I don't know how to solve. I will say I am glad that they didn't use a different actor and then do like facial mapping to like make it work. Like I am glad they didn't do that, but I just wish there was something
01:02:10
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that they could have done to make it feel less parent trappish, where it's like, oh, we're gonna look over the back of your head and over the shoulder, and this and felt kind of disjoint, or just speed it up, because it felt very like clunky, while the rest of the episode was very, we're in the middle of a fight scene, wipe something else, wipe back, wipe this, and that scene felt very like hard weird, hard cuts. anyways It's not a major criticism, it was just felt weird. um And to your point about, Uh, this can maybe roll us into the the next thing of the thing that I really liked about this episode was one thing we were wrong or I was specifically wrong about where I thought it was going to be sold died. And then it'd be this group, Jackie, your daddy, I had no idea that they were going to kill them off. This is a very interesting way to, I labeled it as like, they're clearing the table to emotionally charge the main players for the real conflict. And no.
01:03:07
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so And it's interesting because because I know i've I've spoken to some people and some people speculated that like oh ah what they say the oak, oh, OSHA is going to become the acolyte and yada yada yada, which to me, I was like, No, I'd see I don't see that because I think the emphasis on OSHA and Jackie being friends, those friends scenes for so long, I think is going to be the emotional chart, like all this stuff was done to emotionally charge everybody involved. We've already seen soul get ramped, and he's whatever. But it's like, I don't see OSHA is turning because then I think that completely throws all of the Jackie stuff
01:03:43
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back in her face, unless she's manipulated by May or whatever and all that stuff. But no, I just thought that was cool. I'm like, this is the, the almost the revenge attack that you see in so many shows with that's like, okay, we're gonna take some people off the table. So now we're all super pissed. And now it's gonna, now we're, now we're getting to the real conflict. This wasn't it. um So I thought that was cool. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I really don't know, mate. It's the first... that's what's awesome and that's what's awesome Well, it is really good writing when you spend so much time building up characters that you end up loving, but they haven't done much.
01:04:35
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And therefore, in most people's minds, it's been a flat episode or something. And then they and then they go, they just go like this. And it's it's um it' really hard to speculate, which is what I think is really, really cool about where we are at the moment. It's it's just it's just insane. So going back to going back to where we were... Sorry, go on. No, go ahead. I like your paock your path. I like where you're going with this. So going back to where we were last week. And you and I are both came from it from different angles and with different people. We both thought that actually, no, before we go there, sorry, sorry, because that is the, in my mind, the end game of this, of this, of this pod. So what do we have left on the table? What we have left on the table is that we still don't know what happened 16 years ago. We still don't know what happened.
01:05:33
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We still think that there is a, um, a bunch of stuff that has not been talked about, has not been discussed, has been a erased from memory because that was suggested today. Erased from memory, um, that may put a different pitch on or a different take on what happened 16 years ago. Similarly,
01:06:04
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the baddies could also be manipulating the situation and be lying about what really happened and so on and so forth. I mean, I spoke with Rick last week and it's like, it seems really weird that the Jedi would be involved in a cover up when
01:06:26
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they kind of portray themselves as whiter than white, which is you know hypocrisy in itself anyway. but But the point being is that it it just seems to be something that is insinuated and could be as far from the truth because of the way that lesli Leslie is actually writing this season. So first first off, In my mind, there are a couple of things so to to three things that I want to see in the last, where are we? Five, three episodes. So the last three episodes, what happened 16 years ago, for real, and it may well be another flashback. It may well be a recollection of, you know, from various flats flashbacks, you know, AKA glass onion, or whatever we talked about last week. Secondly,
01:07:25
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I'm disappointed that, you know, Camille was the obvious choice after all, and it wasn't as, as but he, ah like I said earlier on, he's introduced more questions than he has answered the problem. How does he know soul? How does soul know him? How does soul recognize some kind of familiarity about him? So there's those two things. And then lastly, who is Camille's master? So with that in mind and bearing in mind what you and I speculated about last week, where's your thoughts at at the moment? So it's interesting that you made that last point there. Um, because the first, I think it's the first time this week I've heard you say it, is that who is Kamir's master?
01:08:07
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because I think that's, so I think there's, i I'll group yours in the two kind of things. Like there's the big overarching, what the hell is going on with yeah the baddies? And then also like, how do we get away from this and like not have it not blow up with the Jedi council and stuff? There's that whole thing. And then there's like the the the plot of the show with May and Osha and Sol and all them. At the higher level, that's the one I actually have like, that's the one I actually have active theories on where it's like, I think, I don't think Camir or the stranger, I do not think he is a master. Cause I know a lot of people go calling him the master, the master, master. It's like, I think that's the red herring. It's like, I think he's currently the apprentice because of comments that he made during the episode of being, I want to have my, I want to show my power. I want you guys without you guys mucking with it. I think he is currently probably under a Plagueis or whoever.
01:09:03
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And he's an apprentice and he's frustrated that they're not revealing themselves. And he is trying to get his own apprentice so that they he can build power and and then come out and do and be and being open oh out in the open baddie. But I don't think we'll get that until the end. And I think that's because he even said acolyte, but an acolyte is not an apprentice. So it's like, I think he's the apprentice and not The the. united order An acolyte is a worshipper, isn't it? It's a it's a it's a follower. It's a it's a. Yeah, to your point, it's not even an apprentice. It's. um I think he's trying to build a build, build up and ah even multiple. He can he's trying to get a may and OSHA or whoever. But I think he is. I think that's a strong feeling. I have like he's not the real.
01:09:57
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he's the He's like the localized baddie. He's not like the behind the scenes one that's actually doing whatever. um i know In terms of like, how does this get by the that the Jedi Temple? and like yeah yeah I mean, I think there's going to be a lot more death. And then I think the Jedi the jedi Council is going to be like, we resolved it. We don't need to talk about it. It's swipe, sweep it under the rug. They weren't actually set. He's just a a lost person. I think that's what makes it go away. And they never find out well similar to that. There's not, there's a true master. Even then, even then, you know, it's kind of like he's a, he's a grungy scrope that, that, that has abilities, has force abilities, but doesn't want to, there's no one on a line for the Jedi. He wants to use it for nefarious means and get on with his own life and to his point, have freedom.
01:10:45
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um
01:10:49
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You know, he may well have no master. He may not be, so he may not be Sith. I mean, he used used the label because the only thing that the Jedi would could relate to. um He just may be a little, a little. dickhead that we all you know we all know and like. I mean, we're all that age at what at some point, but he just happens to have amazing superhuman abilities and superpowers that he's just a bit more of a dickhead than most young dickheads. You know what I mean?
01:11:21
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See, I feel, like I feel like that's where Star Wars will be Star Wars though. And like, even if it's not part of Leslie Headland's thing, like it's going to be, they will not, they will not be able to help themselves. They will not be able to help themselves at some point and be like, but it was actually play guess pulling the strings all along or something like maybe not in this season or whatever. Like they, they will not be able to help themselves. Um, in terms, but I do think Kim, like the stranger come here is, I do think he's connected to the more localized story. And like, when you were saying, kind of posing the questions, that's what made me kind of pop into my head of being like, what if the four Jedi that have, that are on the the target list, what if they've been the baddies all along ever since they went to that.
01:12:07
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planet or whenever, and like there's there's maybe a bit more mind control and stuff that's been going on. And the the actions of those, like like, what if Soul has been like, Possessor kind of had a negativity in him ever since that time as like a dying, a dying, a last wish or whatever from those people. Mind control is a massive, was a massive focus this week, wasn't it? A massive focus this week. And so like, what if it was, uh, I mean, not, not that I minded my, you know, not that I mind it, but you know, again, I'm and i'm sorry if I'm repeating myself, you know, the helmet, the influence that Camille has on the Jedi, the, the, the fact that the fact that and the Jedi can feel Camille in their, in their heads. It's a big focus. So you could be right there, mate. There's, there's, there's more to, there's more to go on this.
01:13:05
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and like And maybe maybe maybe mind control's not the right thing, but maybe more like like a poisoning, more or less. ah like he poisoned Like she poisoned their minds and now... they're they're different like coral did or whatever and then they started the fight and and things on this and then Torben and Kel Naka like was able to to remove himself he could sense or whatever and went and went into his isolation Torben went and did the vow of silence and Dara just
01:13:37
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rolled with it or something. i Hell, I don't know. And Sol has been denying it this whole time and fighting it and trying to do right. And his penance is, why I'm gonna take care of Osha and look after her because that's that's my role for the things that I've done. Like I'm trying to make it right and yeah make myself feel better. Khmer is interesting because it's like, i've i've I heard some of our friends speculating like, oh, did he say you don't remember me from like the market a couple of days before or whatever? It's like, or is it what we're all being led to believe of like, oh, he knows himself. They know him from somewhere different. Like, was he? Was he on a different planet that they went and did this shit on?
01:14:19
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um and like tried to get kids and something happened that pissed him off. And he's like, no, you don't get to come with us. We're going to take your brother or we're going to take ah something, something. do did they did Did they do something similar to a different coven or a different planet? We're like, we're getting four sensitive kids. And then we're just going to slaughter everybody. Like, were they part of this, like, uh, troop of people when I got four sensitive kids for the Jedi and then, you know, left no trace because they didn't agree with their, uh, maybe more of a, like a, uh, a conqueror or like a, what's the word I'm looking for? Like, uh, uh, liberate, like a liberation team and ah for the wrong kind of word. I don't know. What are your thoughts? I'm, I'm with, I'm all over the place at this point. I don't know.
01:15:10
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I genuinely don't know. i i i i I don't have the brain capacity to work out what's going on at the moment. That's that's that that's half my problem. I think that there is um i think there is something that happened 16 years ago that forged May's journey. um and not ocean's journey. Although the fact that Seoul knows Khmer and Khmer knows Seoul suggests that something else may well have polluted that the facts there.
01:16:04
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Sorry, go on. Or it justifies, you know how we've talked before about like, okay, why did Torben do this for 10 years? But this other stuff happened 16 years ago and Kalnaka has only been out of contact for a year. To me, that's what pushes me in that direction of like, this group of Jedi maybe have been doing stuff over the years and then different people from that group have stepped away from it, maybe realizing that what they're doing is not right. So all all of all the victims of police extortion over the years have got together to actually gang up against the the the main perpetrators. I'm with you. that's kind of that's kind of what i'm That's kind of the vibe I'm getting. And once again, we're kind of back into that memento vibe of like, who is the real baddie? Yeah. An interesting thought that um
01:17:02
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that Catherine with all her clarity suggested this morning was that it doesn't make much sense what's going on at the moment, but maybe that's the point is that it's just creating chaos. The whole thing is just creating chaos. And of course, I hum back to the days of Palpatine, not back, but forward to the days of Palpatine where he's got two opposing elements of the galaxy fighting each other so that he can rise in this fertile battleground as of course Darth Sidious and then the empire ah Emperor. sorry
01:17:38
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um Maybe, maybe just it's all about just creating chaos and creating yeah a distraction, creating misinformation so that everyone just starts questioning each other. You know, maybe, and and you know, maybe be just maybe there is no real problem with the Jedi at this moment in time, but it's it's been it's been manipulated to appear a certain way a little bit like prior to Order 66. We don't we don't freaking know. But Saul's guilt
01:18:09
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is is the is the the linchpin in that one, though. There's something inside and in his brain. He knows something, and that's what I feel like gives it credence, a little bit of credence. like heat I feel like he knows what's going on. like he's He's aware, but his like... I was called like the 1950s attitude of like, i I, I was protecting you from all of this stuff. And oh my god, I never thought all of this was going to come back and bite us all in the ass 10 times worse. I had good intentions. It's like, no, you've been lying in just like
01:18:43
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You should, like, you should have come clean about this beginning. And I think we're approaching that point of frustration and he admits what's happening and then all the pieces start falling into place. But he's like Sidious, like Sidious knew and he was orchestrating it. Soul knows and has known what the truth is. And that's. I feel like that's that's going to be the the critical, the critical point of We were not great. And that also that would also explain like why the why we have those clips of Kal Naka and soul fighting. Of like, yes, and haven't we haven't seen yet. Yeah, we haven't. um
01:19:26
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it Sorry, did you say Kal Naka and so. Yeah, it's not who is in the preview. I thought there's a preview of those two going out. Yeah, I thought it's Kal Naka and Torvin. so Maybe it is. Maybe it is. Yeah, yeah. And then, yeah people poor whatever people that group but but you know, But then again, you know, it could be well be, it could well be some um mind control shit going on where temporarily they fight each other. yeah we We don't know yet. I mean, ah um yeah my original thought about that was that ultimately, ultimately,
01:20:01
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something happened so bad that the Jedi turned against themselves because Kalanaka was duty bound to say, no, you know this is not right and fought Torbin or if it's sole, fine, it's sole. But there's also you know there's also another side now that yeah after today being so focused on mind control or mind influence that that maybe they couldn't help themselves. And things got out of hand, you know power but which which goes back to
01:20:36
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goes back to what was kicking off on that planet before the events of that evening. um yeah you know Already, there was tension between the between the witches, or the Coven, and the i'mma Jedi. The Jedi came in benevolently, in the way as they do, um and started testing the kids. And Mother Zabrak, whose name I can't remember, yeah Thank you. coral Oh yeah, I forgot. cool um she um she was She was ready to kick off. And ultimately, if it you know if if what we saw in the trailer was an influence of a little bit of mind control, where people kick off with each other, who knows? My last question is really around what I talked about earlier on, which was, do you think that he is a
01:21:37
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he has a master? Or is he literally a a scruffy kid? Is he literally a scruffy kid that is extremely powerful and the force just wants to do his own thing? um Or does he have a master? Is there a plan? To your point, you know is the will that will the Star Wars lore, will the Star Wars um with the Lucasfilm bosses allow for it just being a story about, you know would it be a story about a James Dean version of of of of of of the Sith that was just a bit moody, a bit angry, but was very, very powerful and just wanted to be left alone. Is this is this rebel without a cause for the Sith or is it part of an intended
01:22:29
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resurrection of the Sith. And if so, does he have a master? And if so, who do you think that master is? All right. My initial answer was going to be no, no, then yes, because of the whole like, he's going to be, he's going to be rebel without a cause and then they're not going to be able to help themselves. It's going to be a Ray, nobody. And then he's going to have, Oh my God, it's play guess. Oh, imagine that. But now it's like, okay, let's, let's, let's really, let's really dig our, our, our story. Our story heals in a little bit. Let's go full, like a Soka Thrawn. Like there's just a lot of moving parts, 40 chess. What if.
01:23:10
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Plagueis is a behind it all along. That's like, but it's not really, he's not really an apprentice. He's like, there's a bit of a, ah yeah, you're my, you're my apprentice, but not really. I'm using you as a tool in the short term because and Because I am trying, Plagueis is trying to get back into the good graces of the witches. So he's doing them a favor by wrecking some Jedi and getting Mae and Osha back because they are the key to the covens, great resurrection, blah, blah, blah, reuniting, reap like building the power of the coven back up. And so Plagueis is doing this using Kimiras upon
01:23:54
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to get kill a bunch of people, get those two back because Plagueis needs the witches to create but create life and all that it all ties into all of that. Like, oh, he's figured out how to create life through the coven who needs his help to get these two back, yada, yada, yada. Like, let's just yeehaw down that whole rabbit hole that's gonna get fleshed out over seasons or comics or books or whatever. like Is that all connected or is it? Do you think there's some sort of connective tissue there with what we're seeing today in? Ahsoka and Mandalorian and I said, I said the the I said Ahsoka because they're like they they've got like nine layers of connectivity of like, what is everybody's intentions? OK, if the cover, like why do they need may and OSHA back? Why will he not kill them? Because I think they are needed. Like otherwise, just kill them all. Who cares? Like, yeah.
01:24:51
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Like, he needs those two. Okay, why does he need them? He doesn't need them. Unless he's connected to the coven, the coven needs them. They were the hope and the future of the coven. They were created unnaturally. So clearly, they know how to create life. with force powers and yada yada but they're worried about their future and their safety and they're like the the continuing the bloodline of this coven and creating this whatever yeah okay so they need to be safe okay so who needs them the coven does why would the sit or fake sit or whoever be helping the coven they plague us needs to know how to make life i don't think he could do it on his own no one's ever really truly talked about it i don't think so is this all part of that like
01:25:35
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What is everybody's goals and intentions? And it's really just these Jedi are in the way. um they Because they know something. Can you imagine the meltdown if if let's say.
01:25:52
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I don't know. I don't even think he's not even behaving like an apprentice to somebody else. But anyway, let's say he is. And let's say that it's all connected to the witches and the witches are um um behind all of this and it's all about what happened 16 years ago or maybe 16 years ago or whatever it is because you never know they might have been created artificial or they might the the girls may well have been created as an abomination
01:26:25
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um Um, in order to bring back the Sith, you never know. Um, but wouldn't it be hilarious if we find out that despite cannon in inverted commas or speed or air quotes, sorry. Um, that Plagueis was actually a woman. That would be so funny. I would love it. I would absolutely love it. I will love it. The internet will, will explode. but That Darth Plagueis the Wise that knew how to create life or bring back life or whatever it is that he says was actually a woman. I would honestly, that's the day that I would run naked around my village. That would be brilliant. I would love the meltdown there. I would love it. That'd be so funny. That'd be so freaking funny.
01:27:18
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Anyway, sorry. think go back to but yeah Even if he's behind it, I think so like guy that made me think of something was like you were asking, oh, he's not behaving like a Sith and he's not really claiming to be a Sith. And a part of me wonders if that's where he's being manipulated. into like, you know, I'm a Sith. Have you watched like what we do in the shadows? You know that show, right? Yes. Yeah. Where it's like, he wants to be a vampire so bad. Sorry. Guillermo. Guillermo wants to be a vampire so bad and it's like,
01:27:50
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is Khmer being trained into being a Sith, but his destiny all along is to die, because that is whoever's pulling the strings knows he needs to die in order to keep the Sith hidden. True, the true Sith hidden. So he's just seen, he seems like an Acolyte, like they're using him as an Acolyte to the Sith, so that way he his purpose is to die, but to fulfill the Mayan Osha being returned. So that's the Jedi. Oh, the Sith aren't really here. if if if If you're saying that it's something that's preordained and he's he's already accepting of that, then yeah, I can get that. I can dig that, no problem at all. If he still thinks that he is some sort of, I don't know, it's it's that he doesn't he doesn't want to be part of a system, part of a structure and what um well ah well that, yes, sorry, yes.
01:28:44
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No, I think you're on to it. I think the answer is yes to all of them. I think he's he's been found as like a very angry young person who is incredibly powerful and has a purpose he wants to unleash this ferocity and destruction on those who've hurt him and and whatever. But I think that is being used
01:29:08
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and his And his whoever's controlling the strings is going to kill him. Make sure he dies to help cover up the Sith. But I think Khmer doesn't care. Like, I don't i mean, I don't think he knows he's going to die. I don't think he cares about being Sith or whatever his he just wants to frickin hurt people. And that's where he's being used as a tool. because when he dies, the Jedi are gonna believe, oh, the Sith are dead. He wasn't really a Sith. He was just a very angry, powerful person. That's a really good point. That's like a really good point, because I was thinking of, um who am I thinking of? I was thinking of... um Winter Soldier. No, no, no, no. I was thinking of um Blade II, actually. I was thinking more around...
01:29:55
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Uh, bear with me a second, guys. Well, I just let this out. I was thinking he reminded me an awful lot of, um,
01:30:08
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Scud, the character that Norman Reedus plays in Blade 2. And he's just a bit grungy, a bit cool for school. Um, and doesn't really want to be part of an establishment, which is not a good apprentice. It's at all. So if you're saying that there is that there is you know there is, whether he knows it or not, but there is one outcome for him, then yeah, I accept that a lot more than I thought I would, um because I was really struggling with the idea of him being a loyal ah loyal apprentice to something that was
01:30:53
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of a higher order, that makes sense. Well, then also just by the arrogance of like Kea D and they're like, when they're like, oh, it's Sith. And then he's like, no, we're not doing this shit again. It wasn't a real Sith. We, he died. He was just an like a fanatic, ah somebody who was just angry one to kill people. He wasn't like in his mind, he's like, he's what they weren't Sith. We haven't dealt with real Sith and over our millennia. not knowing that even that was a pawn. But over the last couple of hundred years, we've dealt with these little upstarts that have been sort of force sensitive and been assholes. And we dealt with that. But then, oh, Seth, yeah, no, I'm with you. I'm with you.
01:31:37
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I'm with you, mate. Yeah, no, it's I'm going to be so wrong. I'm going to be so wrong. And it's going to be hilarious that I just talked for 40 minutes about just complete nonsense. and It's going to be all wrong. so I love it. I love this part. and I genuinely thought that. So at my time this morning at 1030 a.m., I finished watching. This episode. At 1130 a.m., Everything that I thought I knew was completely out of the way. And I was about to record with the the guys in Australia. um Bloody Josh got my hopes up that Mother Carl was still on the on the agenda, so still on the gaming board. And that's made me think, well, maybe rather than thinking that she's the assassin, the shadow, the stranger, that she's the next level up.
01:32:33
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And so, um, I'm probably wrong again. I blame Josh if I'm wrong again, but, um, yeah, no, there's, there's, Oh, mate, it's not knowing is actually very, very cool. Very cool. And the fact that we were so fundamentally wrong as well last week. Very cool. Very, very cool. I, I like that angle. I like this angle because they're just, I, I love the use of like emotional and manipulation and using people as tools for your larger cause. And he's in cameres just seems so, he seems very like emotionally manipulative. Like he's being abused that way yeah and being used as a tool and he's trying to do it to them, but he doesn't realize he's, he's small fries. Um,
01:33:23
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I just think that's so compelling of like, and it's it's truly sinister. Like, I don't mean I'm like, Hey, I'm a big fan of that. Like, let's all go do it. But it's like, that just shows you the truly sinister nature of it of like, no, they they found him as a part of another thing the Jedi were doing. And he's very strong. And so like, they've just molded him into being this like manipulative, emotionally broken monster. but they have no they don't care for him and he have and he has no true purpose besides this one this one task.
01:33:59
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And he's so, because that's what's crazy. He's like, he's so good at killing Jedi. Like he's really good at doing it. He took on how many of them? Seven? Just mop the floor. And so it's like, yeah, he's gotta die. And yeah they, They just found a really strong tool to serve a purpose and what is that purpose? I don't know. May and OSHA clearly, somehow. But I love it. Dude, I love this show. I love...
01:34:32
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For those, if people out there don't like speculating, like, I'm sorry, don't listen, don't listen to our show with this back half, because this right here is why I love Star Wars. And this is why I love doing this show with you. It's like, this is my Star Wars. It's not even necessarily canon. It's just the like, what do you think is going to happen next? Like, get get my get our creative juices go going. And like, that is the I think this has helped me identify that I'm like, dude, speculation is like, this is the This is my bread and butter. like this is why i ah Besides the ships and the ways that made me feel like modern Star Wars is, and maybe that's why I've always pushed for like new timelines, new new generations, because otherwise you're just fitting into the same mold of we know what happens, we know where it's going, which is fine. I still enjoy that Star Wars, but this is a different level of if is if excitement of where are they going to take the storytelling, where are they going to take
01:35:30
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ah The ups and the downs and who's who's the real villain who's who's yada yada yada this? I don't know. I love it man. I love every second of this So thanks for entertaining me No, no, no i I love it as well. I love it. I absolutely love it as well and I'm I'm It's dangerous at the moment to kind of Speculate
01:35:58
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Because I don't know. I genuinely don't know. I genuinely don't know. I think I i genuinely think.
01:36:11
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I wish you guys could see Andy like i can is it because you can see him. You can see the gears turning. And I know that won't come across the pod, but I want to communicate it because you can truly see him just working, working. my genuine genuine I genuinely think I genuinely think there is. um
01:36:32
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You know. There is. um Normally, a very. simple um
01:36:46
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simple platform for us to speculate. Whereas here, it can go absolutely anywhere and it can go and it should go absolutely anywhere because we've got no we've got no legacy. We've got no legacy and we've got no commitment or there should be no commitment towards the timeline in the future. um I don't know, man. And this is the reason why I'm enjoying it. I mean, it might not be... yeah I mean, again, it's different strokes for different folks in so many ways. It might not be the best, the complete best um Star Wars or or production that some people have seen. Other people may well
01:37:30
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find the first four episodes a little bit flat. um yeah Other folks may well be beholden to the cannon and don't like the the shake of the cannon, which, I mean, in my opinion, doesn't.
01:37:44
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I'm not I'm not quite sure. I think there are different. I think there are different things afoot there in those kind of circumstances, if they're going to get if they're going to get worried about other, you know, simple minutia like that. ah I just don't know where it's going to go. And I love the fact that, I love the fact that today just turned me, turned me around because it did, you know, I was trying so hard to be really quite clever and I failed miserably as to how I thought Leslie was going to take this. Um,
01:38:25
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And then what she did, like I said, i'm ah I'm sorry if I'm repeating myself, but what she did was she gave us what we already predicted already, but we thought it was too obvious and then opened up new questions by doing so. It's really smart. I really like it. i think youre i want to i want I want to compound on what you said there, because I think that's that you just hit on something that I think is one of the most Star Wars things about Star Wars. and Don't tell the mob where I live. But I think what you just said made me feel like the the acolyte so far as a whole and like specifically this last episode bringing all together is is more Star Wars than I think most Star Wars that we've gotten recently because the the nature and the way I feel about this latest episode and where we're going forward.
01:39:14
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has made when when it can make you not think about the the acting or the special effects or the The the different like little nitty-gritty pieces of ah of a show but it makes you think about the story and that is where Your primary focus is of like where whats what's the story and where are we going and you all the rest that sloths off? that to me is the original trilogy because if the modern original trilogy came out now and People be like, the costumes look fake. I could see the zippers. Oh, the because you know what? The acting in the original trilogy is dog water. But we but but that's not what matters. It's the way it makes you feel. It's the story. It's the emotions it evokes. um It's things like that. And that right there is Star Wars. the To me, it's the all the nuance.
01:40:07
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is
01:40:10
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Star Wars is a swashbuckling adventure. it it It doesn't get any more complicated, especially when you consider the original, you know, the OT. I mean, let's not try and get into some sort of higher level nuance as to what the intention was for the original OT. I mean, the OT for me is is still the best and and and always will be, yeah but it's just it's it's ah it's a swashbuckling adventure that that goes from um that goes through various stages of, in brackets, sorry, in ah in in air quotes, the the hero's journey, it doesn't get any more difficult than that. yeah let's not it's It's not it's not a Citizen Kane. I mean, for good God's sakes. i mean it's it's not you know it's not i go for I go to different movies if I want to feel a different way or if I want to um um be inspired by the majesty, shall we say, of the art.
01:41:04
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it's it's it's it's it's it's But this is, what we're seeing at the moment is some really frigging cool stuff. And it's, and it makes me happy. So it doesn't get any more complicated than that, I'm afraid. Until next week when we respeculate all again. Yeah. Yeah. So on that point, so on that point, um, so on that point, I'm going to be away for a fortnight now. So I am going, on my family vacation for two weeks. So I will be back with you, my friend, talking about the finale, um, three weeks from today. Hang on one, so two, yeah, three weeks from today. So I will not be around. Um, but I promise you,
01:41:57
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I will catch up while I'm away. I am abroad. I have very limited internet. So there's absolutely no point in me joining any kind of streaming podcast or or anything at all. But I'll try and watch. I promise you I will watch the episodes as they land. And I promise you that I will send you If I hook up, I crook my thoughts on that particular week's episode. So for weeks, what is that week's, uh, episodes six and seven. So I just want to go ahead cause I was going to ask you, are you going to watch them while you're away? I know you can't join. god today Yeah, dammit yeah, done oh yeah. So go ahead and get i'll i'll give my apologies. the messagees
01:42:44
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No problem. Because i know who cause you're going to have to talk her ear off. like you're You're not going to be able to keep this in. like No, not. Hence the reason why when I finished, I'm going to send you a voicemail. Oh, okay. That makes sense. That's fair. So so that's the plan. is The plan is, and I hope I manage it. um Bearing in mind, I've got no idea what to expect in terms of internet connectivity or, indeed, mobile phone coverage, because all what I'll be taking is my phone and not my laptop. um I will try my hardest to to to give you send you my thoughts, and then whatever you guys decide to do, or whatever you decide to do while I'm away is really up to you, mate. I'll say, if you send me a two-hour voicemail, do not expect me to cut that into usable components. Well, unless you just post it.
01:43:34
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um i say I may just post it, like but I'm not going to go find the nuggets. you next send Send the nuggets or send it to our voicemail and expect that to get posted, because that's probably what would happen. Excellent. I genuinely thought this was going to be a short one today. I genuinely thought this was going to be a short one as well, because we had no news, we had nothing that that we've watched or seen in three days, but honestly, man, And we're only talking about an episode that was around about, we worked it up this morning, it was around about 28 minutes worth of actual airtime. And the rest is all credits or or intros. I mean, for such a short period of time, hey, they squeezed so much in. But secondly, the content was wicked. Absolutely wicked. So I'm i'm i'm really chuffed. Really, really chuffed. And I'll speak to you.
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I'll speak to you anyway, but you know what I mean? I'll speak to you in a formal capacity in three weeks. Until then. I wish you luck. Be safe. Enjoy your holiday. Don't get connected. Stay off of Twitter. Stay off of work email. Stay off of Teams. ah and enjoy enjoy the Enjoy the vacation, man. You deserve it. I will, dear buddy, and look after yourself and lots of love to you guys as well. Thank you, everyone. Stay safe, stay happy, you look after each other. Love you all. Bye. Bye.