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Episode 060 Part 06 - Bugonia
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I'm joined by Ed from the Scruffies where we discuss some of this years Oscar Best Picture films. Instead of a single episode, the discussions have been broken up into individual episodes to make them easier to consume without spoiling movies you want to watch.
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Introduction to 'Begonia'
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Should we talk about begonia now?
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Yeah. I mean, you can pivot and surprise me with another one. but Sure. We got begonia sinners and Hamnet.
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Begonia is directed by your ghost. Lent the most probably mispronouncing that. And, uh, those people who've listened to the podcast for a while will, will recognize this movie, but he also directed poor things, which, uh,
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I really enjoyed and Andy
Overview and Spoilers
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hated. ah but This one also is also telling starring Emma Stone, Jesse Plemons, and an individual named Aidan Delbus. um My quick high level. Great job.
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Great job all around. Sorry. ah oh no No, go ahead. It's wacky, tense in terms of like some violence and an absolute hell of a ride. That's my like quick...
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I just want to say we have to give a spoiler alert on this movie because the ending is is i want to admit what I wanted. it is what I wanted. And it happened. And I was in disbelief.
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But anyway, um yeah, we will give a spoiler alert. But go ahead. No, that was my high level. What's your what's your high level? did you what's your What's your quick your elevator pitch?
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I feel like it starts out but ah like a movie. Like, you're like, oh, it's this kind of movie. And it ends up being this kind of movie. So it's like, it's gonna, this is a plot where it will blow your fucking mind.
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If you, if you don't get spoiled. Yeah. Do not read anything going into this movie. Nothing. Yeah. Don't read the description.
Jesse Plemons' Performance
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Just watch it. so good Yeah, and the and the the arc the character arcs for all of them are so good. You learn their pasts, their presence.
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Motivation. ah Yeah, and the acting. jess Jesse Plemons? Jesse Plemons, yeah. He's always... He's another one. Has he won an Oscar yet?
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I don't know, but he's not eat he's he's not even nominated for this, and I'm baffled. What? He's in the future has to get something because he's everything he does is gold.
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Everything is its just this was just so he's such a good character actor. And this was like, I there's a part of me. It's like it just feels so real because like I feel like I know people back home.
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who are like, he is them. He's embodied it perfectly. Like he went back home, met these guys that I know, and he just lived with them for two years and then he became them. And it's just so, it's so palpably good and just amazing.
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We gotta go to spoilers at some point. Oh my god, it's crazy. I know. He got his first nomination for Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor in The Power of the Dog in 2021 at the 2022 Oscars. Meh. I will admit, have not seen that movie.
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Should I see it? Have you seen it i see It's okay. I think this is... ah There's other movies you should watch before that. like Don't go back in time. We got sick in the present. We got it we can only we can only do... I've seen him in Game Night.
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He was fucking amazing. Irishman, amazing. um Everything. Civil War. Loved him. but i don't Obviously.
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like He deserves something. and i think he'll This is like a...
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Like, ah he's he's a good, like, villain. Right? He's not... i guess he could play a a a protagonist. Like a misguided... Like a misguided protagonist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah yeah i mean, he was fantastic in Killers of the Flower Moon. Like, he was awesome in that. Like, he... Oh my gosh, he's in so much stuff. And it's just like, he's always like... He's A-list. He's clearly A-list. But he needs to get something because he's... his acting is phenomenal.
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That feels like he's always supporting. Like, he was in Breaking Bad. Like, he was in stuff like that, but he's always like a he's always like a supporting actor. Like, he needs his own... Like, even with this, he was kind of the main person.
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But, like, you can't outshine Emma Stone in a lot of ways. Like, she's she's just a force to be reckoned with in a lot of ways. She was really good.
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I will say, though, i feel like they fed off each other and he elevated her. Like without for sure. I don't think she would be as good as she was. And that's why I feel like he should get more credit.
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Oh, for 100 percent. She she was a good actress. He made it real. Like, yes. She... like made we were with her as an audience for most of the movie. like We were through her eyes, right? like yeah We're like, yeah what the fuck? This guy's fucking crazy. like Whatever. This is ridiculous. We won't get into spoilers As an acting standpoint, I think... I could be wrong, but I think that feels a little easier than being the other side of it.
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Oh, for sure. late Jesse Plemons was doing and yeah Him, him with, uh, in Delbis as Don, they, they made a good pair.
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It's good.
Aiden Delbus' Impact as an Autistic Actor
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so just So, this isn't really a spoiler, but Aiden, his, his cousin is an actual, is actually an autistic actor, um, playing an autistic individual. And I think that just added to the intrigue and complexity of the movie and the narrative and kind of the, the,
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the dynamic between everybody that was involved. Cause the movie mostly revolves around these three characters. Um, Oh yeah. And the interactions between them and just, I think with like Aiden's kind of that, that curve ball, that kind of just twists things in a way that makes it new and and refreshing. This is one of the, so I said we, as the audience was, I'm a stones character.
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I think it shifted towards, Aiden's character, Dawn, a little bit yeah as well. But then, you know, in the spoilers section, we'll... Let's hit spoilers. I don't think there's much else we can say besides... Like, it's a dark satire. It's based off a South Korean film called Save the
Dark Satire and Its Inspirations
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Green Planet. Jesse Plymouth is fucking incredible.
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That's as much non-spoiler stuff you can get. You should watch it. We'll talk about more of that later. But spoilers. Bam. Like, Dude.
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but We won't get to the ending yet. But I just love um Teddy's character development.
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How he starts out crazy, but then you see him in real life and he's not crazy talking with people. You know what I mean? like He's at work yeah and he's like not crazy.
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Then there's the scenes with his mother and you're like, oh she was crazy. and gave it to him. You know, gave all these ideas to him. But then you realize, maybe not? Like, did he kill his mother? i was trying to figure this out.
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Did he... What happened with his mother? Like, in the beginning or the end?
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At the end. Because he definitely killed he killed her. No, no, Early on. Early on. No, no, no, no. I'm not talking about the... the Antifreeze stuff? windshield washer fluid or whatever it was he gave her. Yeah, antifreeze. I'm talking about like early on when they were in the... She was in the bathtub and he was putting shit on her. Was that like him being crazy or was it she pushing him to do that stuff?
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i think it was I think it was her kind of the way she raised him. I think she kind of believed in a lot of the like natural medicine. I think it was like acupuncture but just with insanely long needles. I think there's a name for that but like Doing a lot of that because i think she has some i don't remember what kind of sickness she has, but I think that was a lot of the like treatment of trying to get better.
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yeah Yeah. And like so he's he's doing a lot of that and she's also is doing the treatments with whatever the hell they're the company's name is just trying to get better. um from Yeah, but the stuff she was saying to him, you could tell. like He got something from her. that me Oh, yeah. I think she he definitely got all of that. like She was deep and deep into the weeds with all the kind kind of conspiratorial thinking. um And I think that's what's funny about the kind of the corkscrew of the narrative of like, oh, we all at... Conspiracy.
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We all look at Teddy and we know those guys. oh you She even says it at the beginning of like, you have lost the plot. You spend too much time on the internet. You have lost touch with reality. Like you, you are kind of what everybody is talking about today. then as the movie goes along, you watch that get progressively more fucked up, which I should have said this in the non-spoiler part, but like, there's some insane violence.
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Like there's some parts in this that are like uncomfortable of like torture, kind of suicide kind of things like that. um yeah Like the like the the that's in more included like the like the borderline um lobotomy kind of or like shock therapy scene was like, yeah, damn, dude, this is getting I was happy they they pulled the camera off like they they just showed Jesse Plemons character instead of Emma Stone and getting fucking electrocuted.
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like yeah that That to me is like when said that we switched to Dawn's viewpoint. I think that's when the switch really happened for me. It's like when he became much more sympathetic and he's like, yo, like we got to stop.
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but We have to stop. And then when we lost him, when he... when he um Did that surprise you? it surprise you because it's i i did not see that coming.
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I think I had this bubble around me. Like I saw it, like as it was happening, I'm like, oh shit. But I didn't think they do it because I thought like with that type of character, I thought they would like have a certain bubble around it and being like, we can't do this.
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But then they're like, the fuck we can't like, but they did it in a way I think was meaningful and not just like gratuitous. It was like, Oh, like
Surprising Twists and Alien Revelations
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he's, he, he's literally been brainwashed. Yeah. and manipulated into this belief where like there's payouts and things at the end of the movie, but like he is the true victim of all of this besides the mom, like, like, cause he's, he's just kind of been drug along and he's, he has definitely lost the plot and that's, and that's what happens. Um, i felt it was, it was all, it was all set up.
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It was all set up for that classic, like, like he was her way out. Right. Yeah. Like that's what we all thought up until that point. Like this was her, like that's the classic plot thinking Don would help her get away.
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But then that ended abruptly. And that, that's, that's when I was like, Oh shit, this movie is for real. Here we go. Yeah. Like we've gone off the rails. We're going somewhere that I was not expecting. We're going to a different station than I thought we were going to.
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um And then that's when everything kind of goes off the table. um
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There was one part. The part that still stuck with me, it's like, you know how he like fucks up her knee and so then she can't like walk. But then she goes and discovers like the the insane room.
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the insania yes The insanity chamber. But then when she walks out and she she confronts him, she's walking fine. I'm like, well, wait a minute. What's going on? And that was the first kind of sign of like, we're in we're in like weird we're in weird territory now. Like, she's walking fine all of a sudden. But now a sudden, she's whacked the limping again. It's like, wait a minute. Was that just like a um a miss somehow?
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well also like I think that was on purpose because I think when she's running out of the ambulance and stuff, she's like half fine. yeah like if that shits you can't walk like that after that.
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um also her the character
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I feel like she was acting less... Like, if a normal person would have seen all that shit, they would have been way more crazed. And she was held herself together...
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And was talking to him, you know, talking him out of shit and playing. a Assert, being a very assertive. male yeah Yeah, yeah. And I was surprised at that. I was surprised she didn't be like, holy shit, he's done this to like a bunch of other people.
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Um, that's when it started getting a little fishy, but I still didn't expect it. spec i didn't see it going the route that it went. So, so full, cause I feel like we got to talk about the ending for people who aren't going watch And they've gone this far. it's like the whole, the whole story is that he's conspiratorial, like ultra online aliens are real. You're, you're a CEO of this like pharmaceutical company. You're an alien. i' got to shave your head, cover you in lotion and,
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So you can't communicate with your mother ship, but a new, like this moon, full moon thing's coming. And that's when you can like communicate with your emperor and like, he's full, he's full nuts. And he's like, and you need to tell them to like, not like, i want to communicate with them. yeah And she's like, and like little, your ship's coming here and your emperor, then like, then we're going to, you're gonna like do this. And then and he's saying all this stuff. I'm like, wow, this guy's wacko.
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And so, cause he kidnaps her, he kidnaps the CEO. Like they're kind of like incompetent and, but they, they managed to get her a chain or do in the basement of their house. And it's like very tense. It's like a very intelligent CEO trying to kind of like rationalize with them throughout most of the movie and be like, Hey, like this can go one of two ways. people are going to looking for me. Like we don't need to do this.
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And then, you know, things happen, things happen, things happen. And then like, As it gets more moved down the movie, like more violence happens, more interrogations happens, more like it gets more kind of fucked up. the The cousin ends up shooting himself because he's kind of put in the middle and can't handle it.
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And then that's when she's able to get free. She discovers a room where like a hidden room where Jesse Plemons character has like tortured and killed and dissected other people in like bags, like i almost like a serial killer. Pictures, all the notes, like chart notes of it all and shit. It's like lab lab notes, whatever.
00:16:08
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It gives you a level of like serious seriousness to it. You're like, oh, this isn't like some run-of-the-mill guys who've kidnapped somebody. like They've been doing this. and But then you think it's like crazy in one direction, but then when she confronts him again... She's like, no, I am an alien.
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Like she's like leans into a hard. She's like, yep, that' this this, this, this, but we got to go back to my like leans into it. Yeah. And you're like, oh, this is her plan of getting out. Yada, yada, yada. She she takes him back to the office, tells everybody, okay, she's okay.
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And she tells me that this closet is like the transporter. Her wardrobe is the transporter to the so spaceship. And, but he's like, oh, I got to fall back. And he's got like a bomb strapped to his chest. Yeah.
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And so she's like, all right, you go first. He's like, I'll go first because I don't want you low and leave me here. So she he goes into the closet and she's like punching the numbers on this calculator. and next thing you know, the bomb blows up and his head flies out and knocks her out.
00:17:06
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Like his head flies off and hits her. His head which is hits her. Yes. Which is the funny it's the funniest scene in the whole movie. It's just like, it's so ridiculous. And you're like, oh my God, he accidentally set it off.
00:17:18
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She wakes up in ambulance going to hospital. She jumps out, runs back to the thing, the building kind of all, all beat up. And then she goes, runs back up to her office and try not get let in there. She gets in the wardrobe and she is a fucking alien.
00:17:32
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She goes, she transports back to the mothership, tells people it's fucking hopeless. Looks over this like table, like this, this, nice ah the jar table and pops the bubble covering this like flat disc earth and everybody on earth fucking dies.
00:17:47
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They're all dead. Where they're at. Like, peacefully, everybody's just immediately dead. That's the end of the fucking movie. And it's so funny, because it goes on for like 10 minutes of this montage of people just being dead in all these different places.
00:18:01
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It's so funny. It's so poetic. And it's just like, it just turns the whole movie on its head. It's like, no, he was right about literally everything. He was just... a nutto and like it just makes the whole movie so funny it does definitely and I think part of what made the last few scenes the last act if you will was her going into her office and all the normal people which is us essentially you're watching the movie walking into their lines yeah Like what?
00:18:30
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You're supposed to be. You were kidnapped. Are you you're missing? Why are you showing up here now with this guy next to you? And then you're limping. All these people around.
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and and you're like. And you're sitting there as an audience member. like ah We got this. like This guy's fucked. And then the bomb. He opens up his jacket with the bomb.
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The TNT
Reflections on Humanity and Character Motivations
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strapped to his chest. And we're like oh shit maybe not. I thought she was typing out a message on the calculator because was like trying to remember the code. I thought she was trying to write, like, help me and put it up to a camera. That boobies, boob list or something.
00:19:06
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then it's like, no, she actually was an alien and she was trying to remember that like the passcode to like send himself a teleport. It was literally it. Yes. Oh my God. It blew my mind. It was so funny and awesome. Is this the is this the movie you wanted to talk about music back for? Yes.
00:19:24
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yeah Because it was insane. I loved it. So when he kidnaps her is what I was talking about when there was no music and they're just tack. He just tackles there and they're like wrestling in the yard. And I'm like, this feels way too fucking real. And I feel uncomfortable.
00:19:43
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I don't know. it it What kind of intimacy coach do you have to have to like wrestle? Because it looked like it wasn't a stone. It looked like them. didn't look like CGI or body doubles. They looked like they were actually like wrestling kind of incompetently, like not professionally, like trying to get away. It's like, what kind of coordinator do you have to have for that? It's like, all right, how rough can we be? like right Because it looked scripted but unscripted.
00:20:09
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um Well, I mean, what have done from a realistic standpoint? so yeah I thought the music was crazy like It would have these big like sweeping like Majestic Ben-Hur type Scores or like Lawrence of Arabia kind of Majestic soundtracks At like the most insane Inopportune times it's like You're panning in on their house so Put in my notes While I was watching it Brass heavy music Which is like you know you get horns Trombones ah Trumpets
00:20:43
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They come in, and it and i wrote it makes it grandiose at weird times. Yeah. like We're just panning in on this broken-down house, and it's like... but but but but but It's like, oh my goodness. Here's the cop car in the driveway. It's like, what?
00:21:05
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Oh, don't worry about that cop. He's just coming to check in on him and and apologize for... diddling him when he was a kid and he babysat him it's like what a weird pick a soundtrack this is and yeah it it you know it worked though right i felt like it worked it added to the eeriness and like kind of the absurdity of the film like it it wasn't a complete shock when things went off the rails but it's like because the whole movie's kind of got this like bumbling a along kind of absurdity at times of like, okay, it's not, it's not taken too seriously. It's not train dreams where you're like, we're in for a two wackos, kidnap a CEO and it's going to be political buckle up. It's going to get super serious. It's like, no, like they wouldn't have this insane score on top of it. If it was going to be super serious, like there's something going on. is there's no There's no melody. It's not John Williams. There's no melody. There's not even like,
00:22:04
Speaker
that much background playing it's just like like a fanfare all of a sudden yeah and then it's short and then moving on and there's no theme there's no themes it's just like fanfare fanfare is i think it's perfect term for it's like yeah um another point did you watch through the credits at all a little bit so like i ah believe we did Not the credits. ah When they're showing... so e the They kill everybody on Earth.
00:22:36
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Everyone just like falls over dead. And they're showing scenes of people in like normal situations. On the beach, in a classroom. And they're dead. And it just switches to no music.
00:22:50
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At all. This is another no music. No music and just birds. Like nature sounds. Just birds. And they're just showing humans dead.
00:23:05
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where they were cars just like off the road because the people died driving up people having sex people in the middle of surgery and just yeah all this stuff everybody's just laying on the ground you say the thing about the birds and like honestly i probably wouldn't have noticed how many of these movies had silent parts with birds but every time birds start chirping one of my cats like gets up on front of tv is like what the fuck is that so the whole ending of that movie he's just like What? oh So I think that made, that helped me pick up on all the bird parts of all these movies, especially that one. Cause it's just like torture to him. And it it is very long. It's like five minutes, five, 10 minutes of just dead people in scenes of what they were doing.
00:23:47
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long time. Silence. Good. Um, and then they, where have all the flowers gone as a song they chose?
00:24:00
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So I have to look it up because I looked it up earlier. Where have,
00:24:07
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I'm glad got the music guy to talk about this. I need you to carry that. need you carry that load. know it I'm like, the music was crazy. And you were like, yeah, there was a lot of brass. And it's like, that's that's what I was looking for right there. Brass. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. um Where Have All the Flowers Gone, sung by Marlene Dietrich.
00:24:29
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And it's at the end. It's an anti-war folk song.
00:24:35
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themes of cyclical failure yeah yeah and history repeating yada yada it's obviously fits because she had to choose emma stone's character alien had to choose whether to kill humanity or not and that that was was that their experiment right because humanity was so they had originally created and humans but they created like a superior version. And then somehow I forget the whole monologue, with like somehow things got fucked up. And now like we are the fucked up version.
00:25:07
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Yes. And like, they're trying to see if it will correct itself. And there's people who believe it will. And some people who believe it won't. And like, she's there to kind of intervene and kind of like give a salute, an answer. Yes. And the end of this movie was like her going back and being like, they're hopeless.
00:25:25
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like Pop. Pop. Which... When we're going to start over again. The person that captured you was absolutely correct. Are they hopeless?
00:25:36
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Yeah. Yeah, they are the The means... Like, was he wrong? No, but the means in which he was doing were... were But I think in terms of like humanity, I don't – that's what I was sitting there thinking about about this movie. It's like did she so quickly go back – like did what he did – like was that whole situation – did it actually have an effect on her decision? Did it just force her – Did it get too personal?
00:26:03
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It got too personal. Like was that going to be what she decided to do at that point anyways or did it force her hand earlier or would she have kept waiting and giving it more time until – And the ship came back around again. Like, was it even what he did? Or was it just we as humans?
00:26:21
Speaker
Like, had she already made up her mind, but she wasn't allowing herself to make that decision to kill us all and start over? Or was that just like the final straw? She's like, no, they are all hopeless. And I'm just like, fuck this. Like, I'm the last holdout trying to save them. And like, like, I'm done.
00:26:36
Speaker
Boop. like They are all hopeless, not just am It suddenly makes me think about those scenes where she's making decisions for her company. And she's like, no, we're going make a new policy where you shouldn't work late over time. Unless you have work to do. Unless you have work to do. Unless you have work to do. Unless you work to do. And I'm thinking how that would relate to test of humanity um I think I need to watch it again because I think there was that part where I did get confused about like okay were the test subjects like something was that real like that real and had something to do with the aliens but then the test failed and they couldn't figure it out like was any of that real or is that all just fake storyline like giving her something to do
00:27:35
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I got lost. Once it started, once things started really ramping up, and I'm like, I totally forgot that he killed his mom and with antifreeze. And...
00:27:47
Speaker
That's, I'm going to admit, that's slightly what I forgot when I was bringing up. here I had wrote a note early on, like, because I thought he, she died. That's why we're having flashbacks of her in a bathtub. Like, yeah oh, she died.
00:28:03
Speaker
But then late in the movie, you're like, oh, she's still fucking alive. So that, that note I was reading earlier, I was like, oh, yeah, she was alive. And he he fucking killed her because, yeah. Did you know that was Alicia Silverstone? His mom? No.
00:28:18
Speaker
Oh, cool. and I think she had some dress down makeup going on there, but was surprised. Yeah, it definitely fed off conspiracy stuff. You get the flat earth hints, you know, with the.
00:28:33
Speaker
The weird maps, like a the weird, yeah the map. Yeah, the weird maps that they would do, like as the transitions, like it would just keep warping the map into this weird thing. Like almost like ah you couldn't figure out what the shape was. Like it just kind of kept warping it into like this curve and then like a disc.
00:28:51
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and It's a bizarre movie and I think people should watch it the The lunar eclipse coming up, that created tension and time. Something's coming. you got to do something now.
00:29:03
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Something's coming up. You got to finish it. or so Forcing your hand. Because when the lunar eclipse came, that's the only time they could communicate or access the ship. right The spaceship. like It sounds so ridiculous. And then it was true.
00:29:20
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And it was true. And that's what made me so that's what made me so sad. I think there was a part of me that felt so sad at the end when you're like, oh, they are aliens. I'm like, please tell me she goes back and gets Dawn and like brings i can do something to bring him back.
00:29:36
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And like everybody else is dead but him. Because he did nothing wrong. Like, but I don't know if that's in, like, I obviously think I do. I wrote here like, like, uh, I was expecting Don to be walking around alive after everybody, after you, after you see everybody. That's what I thought too. Yeah. Because, because for those who didn't watch the movie and have now been incredibly spoiled and are still listening. Yeah.
00:30:02
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Don killed. He shot himself in the face of the rifle while on the stairwell, because he was being torn. Well, she was trying to convince him to unchain her while Teddy was upstairs with the the cop who was kind of suspicious of things going on. And he had the rifle and like, she admitted she was an alien, which we all didn't know at the time was like real. She was just trying to get out of it.
00:30:24
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And he was like, okay, like, he was really sad about, like, the state of the world and, like, who he was and, like, everything about that. I could be getting some of that. I could be insinuating some of those things. But he's like, will you take me with you?
00:30:37
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Like, if I let you go, will you take me with you to to your spaceship so I can go live in space? Because that was his whole thing. He's like, I want to go to the space and meet the aliens, but I don't want to come back to Earth because earth this shit sucks. Like, I don't like this life, so I want to go be with the aliens. And she's like, yes.
00:30:56
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And then that's when he just quickly turned around and he's like, okay, bam. And then took himself like, whoa, wait a minute. No. No, you didn't understand the process. that You don't have to shoot yourself.
00:31:08
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Like that's not, how'd we, what? How'd we get here? No, that's super sad. Cause he was innocent. Like he was just, yeah. Yeah. Like he didn't want to even do it. And like, they did shit where they like, did they actually, ah sterilize themselves. was that Was that real or was that just like... Yeah, so it was an injection in bedroxyprogesterone, which is female.
00:31:36
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It's an estrogen, essentially. So they were pumping estrogen to themselves. Do you think Jesse Clemens character really did it? Or do you think he just had... Because i had I had that vibe later on when he wasn't dealing with... That's a great question. I don't think he did. i don't think he did He just made... What's his name? Don't do it.
00:31:55
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to go through the motions. That's a tough question. i don't know. The more i think about I'm like, maybe he did do it. No, I don't think he did. I think he made made Don do it because he knew Don would be weird about some stuff. Don would feel sympathetic to a pretty girl. Yeah.
00:32:13
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Which...
00:32:16
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Could go either way. Yeah, wild stuff. Yeah, this this is a 10 out of 10. Fucking watch it. loved it yeah recommend yep yeah i think everybody should watch it even if you don't like this stuff watch it anyways because it's it's character building and sometimes you got to do things for other people and do it for me watch it it's i gave this one a nine because i think it's fucking awesome it's bananas did you did you look up the name the title and why it's named that i'm in a
00:32:52
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bugonia is a flower but why is it called but like be you going i don't know i didn't look at of it uh so i have it here uh it's derived from the ancient greek word bugonia meaning ox born or progeny from an ox it refers to an ancient belief notably described in virgil's georgics that bees bees he's a beekeeper ah could spontaneously generate from the decaying carcass of a sacrificed bull.
00:33:28
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All right. All right. You know, that makes a lot of sense with that movie. I i really understand that. trying to figure it out. All right.
00:33:43
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I just I just kind of sit in and I was like, yeah, i don't know. We'll see what Sean says.
00:33:52
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Anyway, and we got two more like yeah like um watch the movie. I'm like, this is fucking amazing. What's up with the title? you know what I mean? Yeah, I was like, what is the beginning and ending habit?
00:34:05
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The beginning and have the bees with the flowers and they kind of go through this kind of like nature documentary style. communication. is that, is it like about the, the idea that we are like the bees and like the aliens are, they're growing us from the, the, the bull carcass and like they, we spontaneously, I don't know, whatever. Um, I have to chat, you have to chat. That's a chat. GBT question. design You gotta to get deep. You gotta go deep, deeper with AI.
00:34:33
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And I'm not known for going deep. So what are we going to do? Any other final thoughts about begonia? Are we, I think we we rated it. We recommended it.
00:34:45
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Just watch it. Seems reasonable enough. Yep. All right. We've got we go two more that we're going to talk about today. Sinners and Hamnet. We're going to... Marty Supreme is not available yet. We haven't... Secret Agents Insanely Long we haven't watched yet. Sentimental Value we haven't watched yet.
00:35:04
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So do you have a preference over Sinners or Hamnet? Next. Next. I feel like more thoughtfulness on Hamnet than I do on sinners.
00:35:16
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Uh, that's all. Otherwise, yeah, I don't care. Let's do Hamnet then. Let's talk about Hamnet. Okay. Where is it? Alrighty. Um,