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Luisa Hogan: What happens when everything you've been taught about helping others no longer feels right? For Dr. Arby Charlton, unlearning medicine wasn't rebellion, it was essential.
Luisa Hogan: This is a story of a doctor who dared to listen to her second voice and prescribed a new way to heal. Welcome to the Second Voice Podcast, where we uncover the voices that leaders and entrepreneurs don't say out loud.
Luisa Hogan: I'm your host, Louisa Hogan, and today we're exploring what it takes to question the very system that has shaped you and how you can find freedom on the other side. My guest is Dr. Aby Charlton, who's a GP, a speaker, ah bestselling author,
Luisa Hogan: a podcast host and a thought leader in lifestyle medicine. She's incredible. I've met her many years ago and she's amazing. She's also the founder of the Melbourne Low Carb Clinic and Breathe in Health, where she helps people reverse chronic conditions and improve wellbeing through nutrition, functional breathing and lifestyle interventions.
Luisa Hogan: She's a passionate advocate for empowering individuals to take charge of their health. And she shares her expertise on stage in the media through her bestselling book, because she's not a high achiever already. prescribing The book is called Prescribing Lifestyle, A Doctor's Prescription to Lasting Weight Loss and Vibrant Health, and he is also a host of the Prescribing Lifestyle podcast.
Luisa Hogan: Her work has been recognized nationally, recently receiving an Osmanpreneur Honorable Mention Award for Wellness Business of the Year, with over two decades of experience as a doctor.
Luisa Hogan: Dr. Charlton continues to inspire and guide people towards vibrant health, sustainable change, and a future development. where lifestyle is the first prescription. and Avey, I'm so glad to have connected with you.
Luisa Hogan: And I'm so glad that you are joining us on our podcast today, because I think your message is so strong and I just want to hear what got you too to, the space. So thank you for joining us today.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much, Louisa for inviting me to your podcast. I love coming on. I love spreading the message and I love our connection from years and years ago when you posted me your book and I was loving reading that book back then.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: um Thank you so much. Well, I'm glad we found each other again at the Osmanpreneur Awards because, you know, I just love that, you know, the progression you've taken because we connected a long time ago.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: And the reason why we found each other is through running and we were both low carb ketogenic runners.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yes.
Luisa Hogan: So that's how we found each other online. And we had that instant connection.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yes.
Luisa Hogan: But I'm really interested to hear what's been your journey since then, because at that time, you hadn't quite stepped into the space that you're in now. You were doing that personally, I think, or were you already starting on that journey back then?
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah, absolutely. So back then I was just my own journey. That could be 10, seven or eight, 10 years ago, i was discovering my own health trying to lose weight.
Dr Avi Charlton: What happened was I was, I've been a GP for 20 years. One day ah patient had come in to see me. I was writing a prescription and she thought I was pregnant.
Dr Avi Charlton: She asked me if I was having a third baby and I was thinking, oh my God, I wasn't having a third baby. I was just a little bit chubby, not really looking after myself. So this could be maybe eight or nine years ago.
Dr Avi Charlton: And I decided that I'm going to take charge of my own health, join the local gym, which guided me to eat according to their spreadsheet. So I had to weigh up so much protein, so much carbs and so much fat. And I learned about eating a low-carb ketogenic diet and dived into the science and discovered, oh my God, all the things that's been taught in medical school is not quite right. we shouldn't be eating less and moving more to lose weight.
Dr Avi Charlton: We really should be optimizing eating good foods rather than eating less and moving more to starve ourselves. So I learned a bit more about the science and discovered how low carb, eating good food, and eventually led me to all sorts of lifestyle pillars, strength training, stress reduction, optimizing sunlight, making sure you sleep right, community connection.
Dr Avi Charlton: And then eventually, a couple of years ago, breath work and functional breathing, how to manage stress and breathe better. So I've gone into a whole lot of rabbit holes which led me to change from a traditional GP, which I've been practicing for over 10 years and enabled me to raise my two boys.
Dr Avi Charlton: And I went from a traditional GP to now call myself a lifestyle GP. Started Melbourne Low Carb Clinic and started to change from 10 minute in and out consultations as a gp to 45 minute consults.
Dr Avi Charlton: forty five minute consults helping patients to be listened to And I think that's really a game changer because patients want to be heard and um we can work on improving their nutrition lifestyle and get to the root cause of why they're feeling not well and ultimately help them to lose weight, gain health, lead a vibrant life, and even improve lots of chronic conditions like mental to health conditions, diabetes,
Dr Avi Charlton: even improve cancer, as well as using all the traditional medicines that we've been taught. So it's ah it's amazing, my journey, how I've come from a normal GP to talking about lifestyle as well as prescribing medications.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Amazing. I find that so inspiring because I can't imagine what it must have been like for you at the time when you discovered you know, I love that you went and looked at all the science behind it because that's such a doctor thing to do.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yes.
Luisa Hogan: But like when you discovered that what you had been taught wasn't maybe, you know, quite the right way to go, like what was going through your mind at the time? Was it disappointment?
Luisa Hogan: Was it shock? What what were the feelings you were having?
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah, it was it was shocking that what we've been taught isn't quite right, that we've I've got to unlearn it and learn a different way of practising. And um it was quite difficult.
Dr Avi Charlton: And some of the talks that I listened to on online from reputable doctors that I had to listen to over and over again just to unlearn what's been taught before me and relearn what now I had to learn new science.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Luisa Hogan: yeah
Dr Avi Charlton: So I had to dig up different doctors to listen to and learn from various different sources. So it has been difficult. And I have to change my mindset to be open minded, rather than keep looking into the same dogma, which hasn't been helpful for many, many patients.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Are you seeing amazing success with your patients now?
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah, absolutely. Just by changing the mindset, changing the diet to not eat less, move more, but nourishing. So talking about eating good foods rather than eating less and starvation and improving their mindset, thinking about we need to heal ourselves, optimize our metabolism, improving mitochondrial health, nourishing our body with food, sleep,
Luisa Hogan: Mm-hmm.
Dr Avi Charlton: strength training, getting outside into the sun, all those things, even just a few weeks of people doing those things, they feel better, they feel more energy, less bloated, and feel empowered that they can do this, which isn't quite good as a business model because they will get well and then I come back.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Dr Avi Charlton: but but But I'm very happy that I've made my patients better.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: I don't think you're going to run out of patients though, unfortunately, because, you know, you just see it everywhere and even online, Even my personal trainer, when I first started with him, you know, he he told me off because I do low carb, ketogenic, intermittent carnivore and fasting, you know, and I change that all up.
Dr Avi Charlton: Mm.
Dr Avi Charlton: Mm-hmm.
Luisa Hogan: But it's always that low carb, same thing that you're saying, you know, outside, fresh air, sunshine, good food that's nutrient dense, you know, all of that stuff.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: And even my personal trainer was like, no, like you don't need to like and restrict what you eat when you eat low calorie, which is how you lose weight, because you can eat all of these amazing sugary foods as long as you're within your calorie amount.
Dr Avi Charlton: a
Luisa Hogan: And I'm like, but then you just feel awful because you're hungry all the time. i just can't think of anything worse. And
Dr Avi Charlton: yes
Luisa Hogan: That's what they put out there on social media, that you can do all of these things. And as long as you're in a low calorie and a calorie deficit, you're going to be fine.
Dr Avi Charlton: a
Luisa Hogan: And it's so sad that that that's the world that we live in, that that's what we're putting out there. So I don't think you're going to run out of patience, to be honest.
Dr Avi Charlton: susan yeah i agree the the message is very confusing from different people and then there's plant-based propaganda
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Dr Avi Charlton: And as you said, all these people promoting low calorie, which just causes starvation and reduce metabolism. And with yo-yo dieting like this, your metabolism, your mitochondria is not going to work properly.
Dr Avi Charlton: And um that can help you lose weight in the short term. But the more you do this, the more you get starved. And if you crank up your exercise, eat less, then you're going reduce metabolism, get more hungry.
Luisa Hogan: but
Dr Avi Charlton: not satiated, it reduced hung reduce um satiety, you get more and more less um energy. So it doesn't work in the long run.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah, definitely not.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: What's been the response from other doctors that you may know? i mean, I'm sure you you know other doctors or you've heard from other doctors. What's been the response from them? Because from my personal experience,
Luisa Hogan: even and um on my journey, I found Dr. Mindy Pels and she's um fast like a girl and all about, she does, you know, hormone feasting and fasting and how to eat on a ketogenic, you know, during different peaks in your hormones, because I'm trying, I'm perimenopausal. So I'm trying to help that process.
Luisa Hogan: And when I said that to my doctor, you know, she, she was like, oh, that's overrated.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yes.
Luisa Hogan: You don't need to do that. That's like, you don't, you know, and she totally um told me, Basically, that it was rubbish and that I shouldn't follow it. But the evidence is compelling to me and the science is compelling because I try to follow the science too.
Dr Avi Charlton: and i
Luisa Hogan: What's been the response on your end? like Do you get lots of backlash or told that you're wrong or how does that show up for you?
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah, yeah. For the traditional doctors, I have had lots of backlash. Like in social media, I've put up what my thought process was.
Dr Avi Charlton: And in mainstream doctor forums, I put out that intermittent fasting, eat low carb, ketogenic, can help with mental health, can do all sorts of things, improve diabetes.
Dr Avi Charlton: And there's some mainstream doctor says it's not sustainable, people can't do it. And they even say your woo-woo. You may it might as well get some tarot cards too.
Luisa Hogan: Oh my God.
Dr Avi Charlton: And um there's no science to it.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Dr Avi Charlton: So there has been backlash. But there are other doctors that have kept learning. And I have found quite a few supporters, which has been great.
Dr Avi Charlton: And I think more and more doctors are learning this way.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah, hopefully, with ground forces, we try to spread the message and more people take it up.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. I mean, even my husband, um I got him onto low carb and he lost so much weight, so much health. He started running, all of that sort of thing. And he told his doctor about, he's like, you've got to tell all your patients about this. And she ah she totally wrote him off. it's so
Dr Avi Charlton: No, no, it is.
Luisa Hogan: It's so sad, you know, so sad. But we keep doing what we do. i mean, for you and this is a podcast about self-talk. So when you get backlash like that from your peers, yeah,
Luisa Hogan: What keeps you going? What stops you from doubting? What stops you from showing up um or keeps you keeps you showing up rather?
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah, I think the message is right. I'm just going to keep talking about it. doesn't matter what other people say. I've got lots of evidence. My patients are improving. They're losing weight.
Dr Avi Charlton: They're getting off their diabetes drugs, reducing their insulin.
Luisa Hogan: Yep.
Dr Avi Charlton: They're improving on their mental health. And there's other doctors which are doing similar work than me. They're having similar results. And I have my own tribe, my own community,
Dr Avi Charlton: So I'm just going to keep promoting it the and keep spreading the message.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean, I found my way onto it just through my family's got a history of type 2 diabetes, great but grandparents, parents, my brother.
Luisa Hogan: So I was determined I was not going to become a type 2 diabetic. So that's how I found it. My brother is ketogenic, low carb.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yep.
Luisa Hogan: He came off his insulin completely. He doesn't take insulin at all.
Dr Avi Charlton: Oh, wow. Great.
Luisa Hogan: So, you know, it evidence like that to me and it's and sustainable, it's but we've been both doing it now for 15 years. and So people will say it's not sustainable. And look, ah personally, I don't know if it is for everybody.
Luisa Hogan: So I'm not i'm not on this podcast to say like be like me, but, you know, talking to you is important because I feel like people can hear evidence and understand that it is a growing ah growing um consensus out there that it actually is very beneficial to your health.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yes.
Dr Avi Charlton: That's, yep.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah, absolutely. I think the sustainability depends on your mindset.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: yeah
Dr Avi Charlton: So if you believe it's sustainable and you keep doing it and you've made it become a habit, then it is sustainable for you. But if there's certainly some people who have carb cravings, sugar cravings, and they slip and the whole environment is so carb heavy with lots of marketing, different messages,
Dr Avi Charlton: And it's quite difficult. So maybe you've been influenced by the mainstream marketing and that's certainly understandable. So that makes that person not sustainable. It's not because of of that diet is not sustainable. It's because of the mindset and the society influences.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah, I love that. It's ah environments not set up to help. the The system is is broken really. And again, like i said, you know mainstream doctors don't even support you if that's the journey you want to take and you tell them about it.
Dr Avi Charlton: That's right.
Luisa Hogan: They don't even support you with it. In fact, sometimes tell you not to go and do it. So
Dr Avi Charlton: Yes.
Luisa Hogan: And yeah, for me personally, it's if the if it doesn't feel right, you don't have to listen to that doctor. You can go to another doctor, right? So that's that's always my gut instinct.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yes.
Luisa Hogan: So for you, you know, has this whole process, i mean, how long has it taken you to transition from that mainstream traditional GP work to where you are now? Has it taken, you know, a few years to open your clinic and get it going?
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah, it has.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Dr Avi Charlton: I think about seven or eight years ago, I started this journey and about five or six years ago, I actively promoted in my normal general practice. So I was still 10 minutes in and out, but billing GP, which sees patients very, very quickly.
Dr Avi Charlton: So I was doing that for maybe a couple of years and I found... Lots of patients that come to see me from all over Australia, because I listed my name through Low Carb Down on the website.
Luisa Hogan: Yep.
Dr Avi Charlton: People come in look for me, and they haven't been supported by their own doctors, and I was still a normal mainstream doctor. Three years ago, 2022, woke up one morning and I decided that I'm going to start my own clinic because 10 minute consultation isn't enough.
Dr Avi Charlton: And I ah don't want to be bot billing and 10 minute in and out like a supermarket train.
Luisa Hogan: yeah
Dr Avi Charlton: So I woke up one day on a Sunday morning, I told my husband sleeping next to me and said, I'm going to start my own low carb clinic. And I kept brainstorming with my close friends and And eventually I came up with a business model that I'm just going to start in the usual clinic that I work in, in Montana in Melbourne.
Dr Avi Charlton: I talked to the boss and the boss said, yeah, all right, we'll support you. So I had a room so decorated in my usual clinic and I started 45 minute consults, private billing. So $300 for a consultation.
Dr Avi Charlton: People paying actually makes them more committed to
Luisa Hogan: Mm-hmm.
Dr Avi Charlton: this process because they paid, they've committed, they want to do the changes. Then I see them, I organize blood tests, give them a plan. And I see them again, maybe three or four weeks later.
Dr Avi Charlton: And they have lost couple of kilos, they feel less bloated, more energy. And it's so rewarding that just by changing the practice a bit, and eventually over the three years, I've evolved lots of things, I've written a book called Low Carb Down Under first, which has got pictures and sample meal plans and recipes.
Dr Avi Charlton: And then I started a podcast last year, which has helped me with interviewing other professionals and I can learn from them.
Dr Avi Charlton: And then this year I've written my book called Prescribing Lifestyle. So all that through the journey and becoming a speaker, that's all been an amazing journey so far.
Luisa Hogan: So did you have um any doubts in that process? Because you were going through business planning, setting that all up. were there Were there any moments of self-doubt or any moments where you thought this is not going to work? Or were you, from that moment you woke up saying, I'm going to start my clinic, 100% sure you just went for it?
Dr Avi Charlton: Well, certainly there's self-doubts because I've gone from a normal GP, just practicing, going to the clinic, in and out, practice medicine to a learning about business, which is a whole new world to me.
Dr Avi Charlton: So I had to learn about marketing, getting visibility, getting myself out on social media a bit more. and email marketing, creating lots of posts.
Dr Avi Charlton: So it's a whole different world learning about marketing rather than medicine.
Luisa Hogan: like
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Dr Avi Charlton: So, and then I learned about podcasting, learning about hiring a virtual assistant in the Philippines, which has helped me heaps.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Dr Avi Charlton: So it's a whole new world, which has been totally rewarding.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Dr Avi Charlton: And I learned to become a speaker. learning about how to use my words better and not ums and ahs. And yeah, it's been amazing journey and connecting with lots of people, which is one of the best things about having a business is getting lots of new connections and working with a whole lot of people in the same mindset.
Luisa Hogan: yeah yeah
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. So rewarding. And it's been so lovely watching you go through that or reconnecting with you rather and seeing you have gone through that evolution because it's, it's such a, it's such a great opportunity for you. And it's so good that you haven't allowed those things that you weren't sure of before to hold you back.
Luisa Hogan: Because I think some people you've, you've, just year' you've become a you're a doctor, but you're also an entrepreneur now.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yes.
Luisa Hogan: And, I think that's amazing. I think some for some people who are starting or thinking about starting new businesses and maybe even who have, like you, had this um career and learning that they've had through this whole time and now need to change that and they they feel convicted by it and need to start their own business, hearing your story would be really reassuring because you can learn all of those things.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: All of those things come to you. And sometimes you learn by failing, right? You you learn something new, it doesn't work, you try again, right?
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I've totally enjoyed my journey and connecting with people. There's courses that I've bought and it has no use at all.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. um I'm there with you.
Dr Avi Charlton: And then, and then there's other people trying to pitch to me to try and sell the services, the different course that they want me to buy.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Do you get pitched to to promote products now as well?
Dr Avi Charlton: but
Luisa Hogan: Do you get pitched to promote products?
Dr Avi Charlton: Yes, I do. Yes, there's some products I really like to promote.
Luisa Hogan: Oh, wow.
Dr Avi Charlton: But then there's some products that's just no, I'm not supporting it.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Dr Avi Charlton: Sorry.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Amazing. Yeah, I see stuff out there. i always laugh at the keto bar or low carb and then you pick it up and it's definitely not low carb or ketogenic bar.
Luisa Hogan: You know, you pick them up or, you know, products out there that they sell. I just find some of them are, they label them one thing, but they're not. It's a bit discouraging too.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah, absolutely. They're just processed foods. So
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Dr Avi Charlton: eating real foods is the key for yes.
Luisa Hogan: It's the key. Yeah. So for you, what's next for you? What's, what is the, you've got this prescribing lifestyle um ah model that you've created.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yep.
Luisa Hogan: What's next for you? What is that evolving to, or are you happy to keep pursuing the way you're going and and see what comes? What's next?
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah. I've progressed from one location couple of years ago to five locations. So now I spread myself out over a four-week cycle to five different locations consulting in different areas of Melbourne.
Dr Avi Charlton: And I'm very happy with it because I'm meeting different demographics and help serving patients in different areas of Melbourne. And what I'm hoping to do is speak more and work on my speaking business because I think One to one is great and I'm seeing lots of patients and helping them with their journey.
Dr Avi Charlton: But one to many is even more powerful. And if I can get into speaking business, speak to corporates and help their workforce function better with looking after their nutrition and lifestyle.
Dr Avi Charlton: And um my teenagers will eventually in the next few years not rely on me as taxi driver. So I'm hoping I can be speaking and traveling at the same time.
Luisa Hogan: yeah
Dr Avi Charlton: Then I can get my travel bug going as well as venture out into speaking business. So that's my next step.
Dr Avi Charlton: But I'm very happy with how I'm going and I'm totally enjoying the journey so far.
Luisa Hogan: Amazing.
Luisa Hogan: I think you're gonna impact so many people and i ah love that you want to help more people with this, it's fantastic. If somebody's watching this and they feel like they've outgrown their ah there old frameworks, what advice do you have for them so that they can bring out their own process of relearning or change without fear?
Luisa Hogan: you You seem so fearless, you you seem so confident and fearless What tips can you give to others who may be facing a similar challenge?
Dr Avi Charlton: yeah i think just be curious and keep learning if you keep digging into a different rubber holes you will learn more about your lifestyle learn how to improve your health and if it's a business type of mindset then you can keep learning how to find your own way on what your occupation or job can give you and maybe you can develop different type of businesses that you might come across so the the thing that I'm fearful of is burning myself out so I'm just going to pace myself and enjoy the journey and don't dip into too much of each rabbit hole and take it easy as well so certainly I'm fearless but I have to take my own pace and
Dr Avi Charlton: that isn
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Dr Avi Charlton: rather than burn myself out.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. It's easy to do.
Dr Avi Charlton: So yeah, be curious. That's right.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. When you're passionate about something and and I'm right there with you in this one, when you're passionate about something, you do go down these little rabbit holes and you chase things because you feel so passionate and it's exciting.
Luisa Hogan: And then you've got this other opportunity and that's exciting. And so it is easy.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yes.
Luisa Hogan: when you find that peace and intuition that this is the right thing for me, it is so easy just to do more and more and more and more and burn yourself out.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yes.
Luisa Hogan: So that's wonderful advice. And I think it's something that I need to hear even sometimes.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yes.
Luisa Hogan: So slow down a little bit and just enjoy the ride too.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yes.
Dr Avi Charlton: That's right. Yes. And it's okay to have a rest.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Dr Avi Charlton: like if you take a day off, go walking into the bush, go some go do some running or just do nothing on the couch.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Dr Avi Charlton: It's okay.
Luisa Hogan: yeah
Dr Avi Charlton: Yes.
Luisa Hogan: yeah Are you still running?
Dr Avi Charlton: I am still running, but not quite as far as I used to be, like three kilometers, five kilometers.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Yeah.
Dr Avi Charlton: I'm still getting out there three times a week.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. That's what feels good. So just be out in the sunshine, I think. sometimes I'm not training for anything at the moment, so I'm also the same. 4K, 5K, just enjoy the sunshine, right?
Dr Avi Charlton: That's right. Yeah, I'm even not bringing AirPods anymore.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Dr Avi Charlton: Rather than listening to podcasts nonstop, I'm just enjoying whatever's out there.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: The birds. Yeah.
Dr Avi Charlton: That's right. Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: I started doing that when I was ah running with my pram, my daughter was born. And so I started pushing her in the pram.
Dr Avi Charlton: Okay.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yes.
Luisa Hogan: And because I was doing that, I couldn't put headphones in anymore because I had to listen out for her if she needed me, if she wanted something. And it was a game changer.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: I was like, wow, actually running without music in the ears is wonderful. It's so nice.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah, be more mindful as well.
Luisa Hogan: So good.
Dr Avi Charlton: Quiet mind.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Yeah. yeah It's wonderful. So now I don't run with headphones in either and enjoy the birds and the sound of the trees. It's excellent.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yes.
Luisa Hogan: Really helps with business decisions too, I think.
Dr Avi Charlton: Yes, more things pop up in the mind.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Yeah. So any final tips for anybody listening to this around mindset, self-talk, doubts, anything, any final tips that you have for anybody listening
Dr Avi Charlton: I think it's just being being curious. Keep learning. Know what suits you. You are your own boss. And keep looking into each rabbit hole. If it doesn't feel right, then don't do it.
Dr Avi Charlton: Trust your intuition and you'll find your own journey.
Luisa Hogan: Brilliant. i think you ah think you've been really brave. Do you think you're brave?
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah, I think so.
Luisa Hogan: I think you're brave. I think you're brave, but also really inspiring.
Dr Avi Charlton: Thank you.
Luisa Hogan: So thank you.
Dr Avi Charlton: Thank you, Louisa.
Luisa Hogan: i think I think your work's amazing. Where can people find you if they want to connect with you? and you've You've mentioned your podcast. They can come listen to you on your podcast and I recommend it. I've listened to a few episodes of Aby's podcast and it's wonderful. She brings in some amazing guests, talks about all sorts of things.
Luisa Hogan: um So I suggest you listen to it. But where else can they find you if they want to connect with you?
Dr Avi Charlton: Yeah, thank you My podcast is called Prescribing Lifestyle. My clinic website is called Melbourne Low Carb Clinic. So they can go on my website, mlcclinic.com.au.
Dr Avi Charlton: And I'm very active on social media, Facebook, Instagram, with Dr. Charlton Lifestyle GP as a handle. I'm also on LinkedIn, Dr. Ava Charlton.
Dr Avi Charlton: I'm on YouTube, Dr. Ava Charlton. And you can buy my book on my website called Prescribing Lifestyle. And I've got a picture book called Low Carb Made it Easy as well, which has some sample meal plans and some recipes, which makes it easier for people to try low carb ketogenic diet.
Luisa Hogan: Amazing. Thank you. Well, I recommend everyone go take that out, not only for your own lifestyle and your own lifestyle prescription, but also because AV is just such a perfect example of being brave. You don't, you aren't stuck. You're never stuck and you don't have to get stuck in one dogma and believe that that's where you are for the rest of your life. If you find something that lights you up or that is compelling for you to look into.
Luisa Hogan: AV is just a clear example of how you can do that and you can do that bravely and you don't doubt yourself because you can, just like AV, wake up one day and go, nope, I'm going to do this thing and I'm going to make it happen.
Luisa Hogan: And you lion land up being a bestselling author and award winner and a podcaster in the same breath.
Dr Avi Charlton: oh
Luisa Hogan: So incredibly inspiring. Thank you so much. um I look forward to seeing where you go with everything, Avey, and looking forward to seeing everyone else on the podcast next time. So thank you so much.
Dr Avi Charlton: awesome thank you very much louisa for inviting me on your podcast and i wish you all the best with your ventures as well
Luisa Hogan: Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Take care. you everyone at the at the next episode. Bye.
