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Episode 114: BONUS! Matchday Preview - Away to Forest!
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Southampton – After the disappointing end to the game on Thursday, we face probably the most in form team in the league at their stomping ground this Sunday... How do we think it'll go?
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Reflections on Last Night's Match
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello and welcome to the Daily Southampton, part of the Global Sports Podcast Network. My name is Greg Elliott and as always I'm joined by my wonderful co-host, Zach Ingo Finch. How are you doing Zach? You recovered from time of recording last night's disappointment?
00:00:25
Zak
um no Not entirely. You can tell by my my mania yesterday, ah maybe maybe how I was feeling. ah You can tell by the fact that Greg is hosting the podcast to add some level of structure to it, ah that maybe my brain chemistry is in a place that can fully host a podcast without going on incessant rambles for another 10, 20 minutes at a time.
00:00:47
Zak
But we go again, probably to lose again.
00:00:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's it.
Preview of the Nottingham Forest Game
00:00:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Not long between matches this week as we head into our bonus episode where we preview this upcoming game against Forest and Forest are flying high at the moment.
00:01:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Currently ah sitting second in the table or third same on level on points just behind Arsenal in fact.
00:01:03
Zak
Yeah?
00:01:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
and uh drew against Liverpool on was it Tuesday football in the week's really throwing me off I don't even know what it is it's like Christmas all over again um but they're they're on an incredible run of form and they look like a really dangerous team and um and our form isn't great so is it time that we flip the story is someone else to give up our street
00:01:39
Zak
kid I feel like um we we ruined the quadruple's chances for Man City.
Can Southampton Upset Nottingham Forest?
00:01:46
Zak
It would be very, very um very Southampton of us to get a win against a team that probably most other people would like to see win.
00:01:55
Zak
maybe you know ah to to see one of those fairy tales happen again. Fairy tales at the beginning of this season in a separate podcast our our separate episode of our podcast when we talked about, sort of our you'll never see another Leicester City again. Potentially we may end up with another Leicester City again. It would be very telling for us to like ruin that, just upset everybody and make ruin everyone's day. right ah However, the flip side of that is, like We seem to just lose every game now by three or four goals and your big fears around them being a counter-attacking team and us being torn apart yesterday but with no end product when they have strikers that are in the form of their life.
00:02:35
Zak
Yeah, it's um it's a
Betting on Soleimana's Goal
00:02:37
Zak
scary one. I would, though, Greg, like to see us win, and Soleimana to get a winning goal, because then I would lose a bet to a another podcast, which is the Saints Network, where I've made a maybe silly decision that Soleimana scores in a game that Saints win.
00:02:55
Zak
I have to purchase a shirt with his name on the back. But also, judging from my conversations with you, you consider that to be a safer bet.
00:03:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think that's almost a safe bet, Zach, as Flint Downes to get booked every single time he plays. The problem is that even as the optimist on this show, for that bet to come in, we'd have to A, win a game, and B, have Sue Lamanna score the winning goal.
00:03:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
like
00:03:25
Zak
ah you're right that is um it's kind of nuts and especially where our record against forest literally since 2012 so since 2012 was like we played them last year the first time we played them since 2012 words was in January, 2023. Since we've played them in the last three games, we've lost all those games. so
00:03:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, ah we've got no draws against them either. And you know that I love the little AI summary that comes up.
00:03:59
Zak
ah Let's hear it, mate. Let's hear it.
AI Predictions and Past Meetings
00:04:01
Zak
Let's go.
00:04:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, I've actually got a lengthy AI summary, which I'm not going to read all of the way through. But just to basically summarize it, it says don't bet on um on over three and a half goals.
00:04:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
don't bet on Southampton and don't bet on both teams to score. So you can put the teams there.
00:04:25
Zak
Right, um exciting. how How thrilling.
00:04:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah So sounds like they predict 3-0.
00:04:31
Zak
I mean, if you're looking at the last three games, that's why. Yeah, well, that that again, like the last three meetings we've had between them was a 1-0 loss, a 4-3 loss and a 1-0 loss.
00:04:43
Zak
They're all losses. um But in that specifically, you're right, the only 33% of the time in our last three meetings, Have we scored a goal? So I guess if it's using really basic paths in the background of the AI, it makes a lot of sense as to why it thinks that.
00:04:59
Zak
But it's just, it just dies straight to me, isn't it?
00:04:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:05:01
Zak
Like, again, um at this point, it's just like we have to laugh at ourselves, because if not, we
TikTok Antics and Spurs Comparison
00:05:06
Zak
cry. I know I upset some Spurs fans on TikTok by comparing our recent accolades to their trophy cabinet, um which, you know,
00:05:15
Zak
We probably could find out ourselves, guys. Like, we we have nothing. We're grass, but it's straws here. Like, you came to our own yard and beat us 5-0. Like, don't kick us one with that.
00:05:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:05:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, i look it's is' going to be a tough game, but it is also the sort of game that I could potentially see.
00:05:29
Zak
a
00:05:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
We talk a lot about being people's banana skins, but actually this is like the reverse of that for us, where we're going to go in with such low expectations often we come out pleasantly surprised.
00:05:46
Zak
greg Greg, I've heard it all before me. I've heard it from you so many times this season. i just yeah We are looking at a one of probably the best informed clubs you know we could come up against.
00:05:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:05:57
Zak
We we had and we had a good game for 80 minutes. right We could have another good game for 80 minutes, and then Chris Wood scores a hat trick. That is the fragility of our mental state.
00:06:08
Zak
We might be without dibbling. I know that he's getting his ankle assessed today. I don't know the outcome of that yet. you know, I just, whereas our, you know, I would love nothing more than us to win in a, you know, seven-goal thriller where we come out on top four, three, but like, again, you even pointed out yesterday, mate, the only way that we scored was that Manchester United had to score for us. Like, how are we beating this team, man?
00:06:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Maybe they just put three or four in the back of their own there and give it to us. I don't know. Look, we played well we played well for 82 minutes and that is a foundation to build upon. We had opportunities and we had shots on goal, although we didn't, we had opportunities. We didn't make the most of them. but If we can start putting some of them away, maybe just maybe, maybe, right?
00:07:04
Zak
I get it it's it's it. It's not that I don't want to believe you. I just don't want to follow the trap of how I felt yesterday, which was so excited and then like got to halftime. I was like, no way are we one they're like, this is insane. And then going into that second half and it was on your edge, on the the edge of your seat stuff.
00:07:20
Zak
and then and then as the personnel were slowly rotated with personnel that seemed to not understand that we were winning a game against Manchester United all hope dropped and then we walked into a podcast where I didn't know how to feel because we were like wow that was such a good game until it wasn't
00:07:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
right Yeah.
00:07:43
Zak
um And I worried that I'd rather just go in feeling utterly hopeless and defeated until we can start Until we move down into a league where maybe we can start getting some wins because who knows like I don't want to say what you know They are there is a lot of things going on the background. We've been sort of linked with different potential the directors of football so like that's quite nice to see that stuff progressing but like Man yesterday yesterday did some damage
00:08:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, it was definitely a tough way to lose a game and we have seen just about all of them so far this season. So, okay.
00:08:20
Zak
Mmm
00:08:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, we're going to move into some predicted lineups and some predicted scores, but first a message from our partners at
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00:08:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
How do you and see us lining up against the forest?
Will Djuric Change Tactics?
00:08:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
Do you think that Djuric, who seems very switched on tactically, has identified our openness to being caught on the break and Nottingham Forest's ability to break ah and changing it up a bit from what we saw against United?
00:09:16
Zak
I would like to think so. But i the big fear I have is is like the comments that he made where he expected so much more from the subs yesterday. And we're probably going to have to rotate just just for fitness. And and you know ah half our players knackered off the 60 minutes, give them two days off. And they're not going to be able to go back in and do a full 90. So yeah, I wonder if we'll we'll shut up, shop, put tall Paul up the top and hope for a bundled in goal maybe. Because that's the only thing I could see if he's if he switched on enough that that's you know but then I could also see him going well I'm not going to change what's worked really well and hope that they defend better but yes probably more than likely
00:09:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah but obviously i think we're going to be without dibbling at time of recording all we've heard is that he's having his ankle assessed today but i mean even if it's assessed to be a minor niggle that's still probably not going to be ready for sunday so
00:10:10
Zak
Yeah, um so yeah, like who do you who do you replace him with? And obviously we kind of saw some changes around and Smallbone came on for him. who didn't have the best game of his life.
00:10:23
Zak
As we pointed out yesterday, first thing he did was pass it directly to the United player, which wasn't great. And I think that that was probably more the fault of Zurich bringing somebody in that's been out for so long on a sub.
00:10:37
Zak
There's a sub in a game where, you know, it was all about game management. So it'll be interesting to see who takes his place.
00:10:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't know, are the risks of sounding like a stuck record every time we do a predicted lineup? Is this finally the week that we see Toolpaw and Cameron Archer play together?
00:10:51
Zak
No, I just I just don't see it. No.
00:10:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's just never going to happen, is that where we're at?
00:10:55
Zak
No, I just I just don't I just don't think I think I think I think that the universe is aligned to never see that pairing. um And I just don't think, you know, considering how many other players have been put on the pitch over Cameron Archer, I don't really know what drugs doesn't see in him to not give him that opportunity.
00:11:13
Zak
And I know that a lot of fans are crying out for it. I don't know if it's that that there must be something, there must be decisions being made and for what reasons. right It was the same thing with like Les who I was all for sending back to Chelsea before Ross went and now has sort of come into his own playing in a system that actually fits him. ah yeah there's a couple of it's It's weird to predict these kinds of things, but also like surely we're going to have to swap some people around.
00:11:40
Zak
maybe that would be the case, right? Because if he's not been on the pitch as much and he's had some time to recover but also has match fitness from the rest of the season, surely he would be up there. Or are we just going to do a reverse of the substitutions the other day where, like, Armstrong goes up top and, you know, I feel like Suleiman has still got enough in the tank to play that game as well.
00:11:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:11:59
Zak
ah You know, if if he's that hungry and raring to go and is able to somehow, you know, they're considering they're going to take him off the other day and left him on. And and yes,
00:12:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:12:10
Zak
it didn't do much afterwards, but he managed the full 90 minutes without really <unk> flagging as much as I'd say some of the others were. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up playing Sunday.
00:12:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:12:19
Zak
And if if he is now going to be a um focal point for focus of both like our team and probably Forest, it would make sense that losing dibbling, you would keep that focal point on there. But then I could also see us put in 10 men behind the ball and then po tall Paul up the top and hope that he can somehow take on the entire Forest team. it's It's so difficult to predict stuff at the moment until we start to understand a little bit more about sort of a solid 11 and obviously people coming back from injury.
00:12:48
Zak
I don't think bounds had the best game yesterday. I don't really know what's going on with with him.
00:12:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
No. he I mean, to be fair, he only came into onto the pitch where the team was a bit of a mishmash anyway. You know, we had small bone sort of playing up front and. And we've talked before about him and Big Les almost sort of tripping over each other. There was a period of the game where they were together and then they weren't. So I don't think it's. And yeah it's just come back from injury. There's always going to be some sort of bedding in period. So.
00:13:19
Zak
Yeah, so that's what I mean, is like, so who are we going to swap out with? And like, Arribo had a much better game yesterday.
00:13:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:13:25
Zak
um So I could see him not making a huge amount of drastic changes, and then just maybe swapping out Tippling for somebody else, or again, recognizing the threat that Forest posed, and then just deciding to chuck a bunch of men behind the board.
00:13:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:13:37
Zak
But I also don't think that that is a way that he wants to really play. um So yeah, it'll be an
Injuries and Lineup Changes
00:13:43
Zak
interesting in one, either way. um I don't know if defense changes much.
00:13:47
Zak
We ever gonna see Jack Stevens in the same shirt again, do you reckon? Or is that it now?
00:13:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, he's still injured. So he's injured for a couple of months.
00:13:52
Zak
Is he still injured, is that what it is?
00:13:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:54
Zak
All right.
00:13:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. He picked up an injury in training and I think it was like a month or six weeks that he was due to be out for. So, uh, yeah.
00:14:02
Zak
Okay, that's fair enough.
00:14:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Uh, I guess speaking of defense, we probably won't see Armel Bellacottchap who today has had a game for the under 21s. So.
00:14:13
Zak
Indeed. Wellington's playing that game as well. um It says a lot to me that he was like, I'm going to come back into the team. I'm going to fight for the team this or and the other. And then basically Drake was like, no, he's not that good.
00:14:24
Zak
And now when he refused to play for the under 21s previously, he's now playing for the under 21s because I'm guessing he's realized
00:14:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think for me it's a very clear difference in management style between Russell Martin and Jurich because Russell Martin said well we don't force the players to do anything we if they want to play in the 21s great is a good chance to build up fitness if not I'm not going to force they want to do anything that they want to do whereas Jurich has very clearly said you need to show me you're good enough and if you you can't do that if you're not playing so
00:14:56
Zak
Yeah and that there you go and I think that answers a lot of the questions as to oh why are we not giving him a chance and like the weird there's so much strange defence around him for for a player we've not really seen play since our last relegation season.
00:15:10
Zak
um You know what other than that sort of he had that game against Cardiff where what but then wasn't it 4-5-3 in the end we like we can see a lot of goals against a really bad Cardiff side so yeah it's it's weird that it's a
00:15:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. yeah
00:15:24
Zak
I understand why it's a talking point. It's a weird talking point. I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone by the end of the window. um If he's gone, I won't lament him leaving. It will just be like, well, that's the end of that conversation. If he stays, puts in a shift, and then starts rotating in with our defense, sure. like I just don't think it's going to change the way that the world works. And I know that that's funny coming from the performances Suleman has put in and over the last two games and he has put in some good performances but it hasn't resulted in a huge amount of like it's not resulted in our league table changing at all like it might yeah okay it was Swansea, Swansea he scored yet but it needs to be in the league so i can buy that shit
00:16:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:16:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. yeah you Okay, so we're gonna move on to some score predictions and how we see this game playing out, ah but first a message from our partners at the Global Sports Podcast Network.
00:16:21
Zak
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Match Predictions and Possible Outcomes
00:16:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay mate, I'm going to throw it over to you first as the pessimist of the podcast.
00:16:43
Zak
ah
00:16:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
How do you see it playing out?
00:16:44
Zak
Um... um if we're If we're lining up, similar to how we've lined up the other day, it will be three-nil forest with a Chris Wood hat trick. If we line up in a much more defensive manner, at shove tall pool at the top and chuck the ball to him whenever we want, we're still probably going to lose, but only by one goal.
00:17:07
Zak
And that will somehow be considered to be progress or not. ah Genuinely, you can't see us getting past Forrest. I'm really sorry. At the beginning of the season, maybe when we were still full of optimism and we probably had, I think you already said that you had them down as a team, we would do the double over. In in the world we live in currently, absolutely not.
00:17:27
Zak
um But then there's also that little little ah background part of me, Greg, that's like, you're right, maybe we'll just ruin everyone's good time and then Liverpool win the season by, you know, a point whereas Forest had just beaten little old Southampton, it wouldn't have been a problem.
00:17:43
Zak
Because, you know, that would be, that would make us the villain in an arc where our season's already been thoroughly depressing.
00:17:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:17:50
Zak
But but yeah, three nil or one nil to Forest, depending entirely on our formation. yeah Whoo!
00:17:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
all right well that look it's it's been a tricky ride and i thought that maybe this would be the first time in the season i was going to predict a saint's loss but i just i'm not feeling it i think that
00:18:00
Zak
What about you, mate?
00:18:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
think that we're going to win 3-1.
00:18:19
Zak
Oh it's another magical feeling, but so another wonderful magical feeling from Greg work where the universe and the stars will align and the planets will all centre around some berries or the forest ground, everyone will be happy and somehow, just somehow we'll get a win.
00:18:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:18:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think it's going to be 3-1. I think the armour's probably going to come in for Diblin. I think that he's going to get a goal. I think that we're going to see a tool pool goal and then I think we're going to see a Harwood-Bellis header from a corner because it would be lovely to score.
00:18:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
ourselves from a corner but I still don't think we'll keep a clean sheet so I think we'll get caught on the break um yeah so I think 3-1 win that's what I'm going with feeling the disparity between our opinions it's fine
00:19:10
Zak
I, hmm.
00:19:18
Zak
it It's just every time, i just every week, every day, every time we get to this point where you're like, yeah, no, we're going to do it this time. And I'm like,
00:19:29
Zak
But based on what? What evidence? And it's like the feeling that I get. I'm like, what is that feeling? Is it having like a shot of whiskey every time we do this podcast? Like, I'm genuinely...
00:19:41
Zak
Oh, I'm glad. Don't get me wrong. It would be having three, like, yeah you know, having me and you all sat around a table, whatever, ever being,
Southampton's Form and Strategy Importance
00:19:47
Zak
being absolutely miserable as sin every week, every week every week out would get depressing, but ah yeah.
00:19:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
I just feel like at this point if I predicted a Saint's loss it's it so out of character it would like acknowledge me.
00:19:58
Zak
We'd probably win.
00:20:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:20:03
Zak
That's what would happen.
00:20:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
that's go I've been putting the jinx on it every week, it's entirely on me.
00:20:07
Zak
You'd be so broken that completely and utterly that they would accidentally win, which would reignite that hope. That hope we talk about that kills us. And then we'd go into the next game thinking, oh my goodness gracious me, we got a win.
00:20:20
Zak
We're doing a better than Darby. We might end up, we might even survive. And then we'll get a bad 5-0 again.
00:20:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
And then we're back at 6-0 by Newcastle, yeah.
00:20:27
Zak
Isaac scoring six goals or something like that because, you know, why not? ah Yeah, I think either way, there will be a game of football that will take place on Sunday and we will have a team better.
00:20:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:20:40
Zak
And that team may or may not be something to have prided at the end of it. Just at the moment.
00:20:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
Look, it's yeah some really tough.
00:20:49
Zak
it's ah
00:20:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Forest homeform is very good. Forest this season are very good. At the moment they are absolutely flying. um And so it's not an embarrassment to go to Forest and lose.
00:21:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
It could be an embarrassment to go to Forest and get battered. say It really depends, but also I don't want to see us stick 11 men behind the ball in an effort to not get battered.
00:21:09
Zak
price like
00:21:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
I want us to give it a go and get a game out of it and and put ourselves in with a chance.
00:21:22
Zak
you You're right, because at this point, what shame do we have left?
00:21:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:21:27
Zak
but how how is there any way water bounces unless they beat the 9-0 and we lose 10-0 like that is the only thing that I could think where like at that point I genuinely don't know how we could come back but yes for me it's genuinely like I just don't I don't know how we could be embarrassed anymore, like that that's that Spurs game mate, like 4-0 down in the first 25 minutes, everyone was scared it would be another 9-0 and then we praised the character of making it, of keeping it a 5-0 and it's like, what on earth are you talking about?
00:21:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:22:02
Zak
um yeah it's just it it's the tweet that went out that was like i can't remember the guy that did it it was like um sal Hampton football club is just a cruel social experiment to see how much people will put up with very much feels like that week in week out um but you know there could always be the chance because this is football um i personally don't think that this will be the weekend for it ah I'm unfortunately becoming more right than I have been wrong in recent times Much prefer you to be right mate.
00:22:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
but but
00:22:35
Zak
So I guess we'll see and A game of football will be had and that's pretty much all I can say from an optimistic standpoint
00:22:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah yeah look there might be a small blessing that it's not on sky so we're gonna have to scramble to find a way to watch it let's let's look maybe that's not quite the optimistic note we normally like to end on but uh look i'm sticking with it three one
00:22:54
Zak
oh
00:23:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
heard it here first. ah And that just about brings us to all we've got time for. That's the note of optimism we'd love to end on. ah Zach, as always, thank you for joining me.
00:23:11
Zak
delusion
00:23:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you very much for listening. ah We will be back on Monday, come what may, with another episode of some description, hopefully a positive one off the back of a 3-1 win.
00:23:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah Hopefully a 3-1 win where Zach has to buy a Sulemana shirt would be fantastic.
00:23:31
Zak
Delusion I'm down for it. I've already agreed tweets been bookmark bets been made
00:23:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
and see We look forward to seeing you then. Thanks for joining us.