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Episode 116: CROSSOVER Match Review with Daily Forest
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Southampton – We didn't manage to squeeze in a crossover in a busy week of fixtures last week so we thought we'd do one looking back on the game! Marley from the Daily Forest joins us today to look at the game from both perspectives!
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Introduction to the Daily Southampton and Forest
00:00:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello and welcome to the Daily Southampton and today the Daily Forest from the Global Sports Podcast Network. A bit of a strange one today, we didn't manage to squeeze in a crossover episode before the Forest game, but today Zach and myself are joined by Molly
First Half Highlights and Referee Controversy
00:00:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
from the Forest. How you doing mate, you alright?
00:00:27
Marley
Yeah, I'm doing alright. Still a bit annoyed about a lot of things, but there to get into in the episode.
00:00:34
Zak
yeah
00:00:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't know mate, in contrast it feels like that's an unreasonable opinion. it's But I'm sure we're going to get to it. it's yeah It's a bit of a strange one to look back or on a match with a forest set of eyes, but but I guess let's get straight into it.
00:00:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
What was our pick up in the last 20 minutes is presumably where most of your disappointment comes from.
00:00:57
Zak
It's fab.
00:01:02
Zak
Won't say that
00:01:04
Marley
Not really, most of my disappointment came in the first half. So there's three things that happened in the first half which, firstly obviously Callum Hudson and Doy are being forced off, never nice to see, looks like Groyne, not promising. I'm hoping it was precaution, I'm hoping he's not injured but if he's out we are really going to miss him. He creates goals, scores goals, he's a massive massive addition to our squad and it'll be a massive massive blow if he's out for a bit.
00:01:31
Marley
second Second is I wouldn't say any individual although there are two moments in the game that one person and it's Anthony Taylor I think yesterday was either show that he's not actually against Forrest or show that he has a voodoo doll of Maranakis in his bedroom and it seems he has a voodoo doll of Maranakis in his bedroom because Flynn Downs has committed two red card challenges and only got a yellow and then Morgan Gibbs White has been given
00:01:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:02:01
Marley
well it was given away a free kick for being within a metre of your player who has tripped over to over the grass.
00:02:06
Zak
That was ridiculous, I'm not gonna lie. i To be fair, I don't even think he was going for it either, like he fell over and Anthony Taylor just immediately pointed as a free kick and I watched Fernandez get up and kind of be like, what?
00:02:18
Zak
but Obviously he didn't argue it, which I think is a problem.
00:02:18
Marley
yeah The issue is, it annoys us, but we're not even surprised anymore. We expect about the second we see Anthony Taylor as the referee. He's been awful as a when he referees
Refereeing Inconsistencies and VAR Discussion
00:02:30
Marley
for his games.
00:02:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
What's funny is we said exactly the same thing because he's been awful for us as well so I think at some point you have to write it off as not so much bias as just total in utter incompetence.
00:02:30
Marley
and i know
00:02:34
Marley
know
00:02:39
Zak
I just think he's a bad, bad referee.
00:02:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:02:43
Zak
Because, like, I'm not going to lie. say So the film dance thing, we didn't really discuss much yesterday, simply because, obviously, there was a lot more going on. We tried to talk about some moments of Southampton's game that wasn't absolutely just being trampsed on for sort of forty at least the first 45 minutes.
00:02:58
Marley
Yeah.
00:03:00
Zak
But every time I see that challenge, it gets worse.
00:03:02
Marley
Which
00:03:03
Zak
And, like, it doesn't matter if the the first the one, the the almost,
00:03:05
Marley
one?
00:03:09
Zak
the the yellow card that definitely should have been a red at that point and I'm not surprised he got hooked off and I said to ah said to Greg and Oskie yesterday like it seemed like he was really starting to lose his head but the fact that you can kind of do that and yet on the flip side of that there are sort of been there has been a red card for Jack's even sort of pulling Kookarela's hair a little bit, and then the other day when that happened again, and it was a yellow, it's just, once again, it's the, I think it's just the the absolute lack of consistency.
00:03:40
Zak
But in regards to like Anthony Taylor's refereeing in general, it's just every single time that he's reffed the game for us, it becomes about him. There's always like a good 10, 20 minute conversation about him.
00:03:51
Marley
Thank you.
00:03:52
Zak
Greg, you did an entire episode! but It spurred you on to do a whole episode, but
00:03:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think I did a 13 minute uninterrupted run about his poor performance before you cut me off with an ad read.
00:03:57
Zak
Shocking.
00:04:00
Marley
so
00:04:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, it was it was not great earlier in the season. But yeah, I think we have to move past the idea that it's any bias towards any club and it's just pure and utter incompetence through and through.
00:04:14
Marley
Yeah, because obviously, obviously, Anthony Taylor has broken the record for most yellow cards in a single game in a game which wasn't dirty at all.
00:04:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
There's no there's no excuse in it.
00:04:24
Marley
And we have a very nice chant. We love to sing, which goes, it's all about you.
00:04:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:04:28
Marley
Anthony Taylor, it's all about you.
00:04:31
Zak
Yeah, we I really enjoyed that.
00:04:35
Marley
Although what I did like was a bit of humour from your fans.
00:04:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I don't know if we go on to your third point.
00:04:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes.
00:04:41
Zak
We're very very good at that.
00:04:42
Marley
so Your fans were thinking we singing beep VAR after the VAR was checking your goal to which our fans just decided to join in for no but apparent reason.
00:04:43
Zak
Very self-deprecating also.
00:04:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. I think that much like you guys, we have been on the receiving end of some terrible VAR decisions this season. ah And And I think that the feeling is that even if the decision is going to go our way, we'd still rather it not be.
00:05:05
Marley
one of One of them became your YouTube thumbnail.
00:05:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, but so absolutely. Yeah. it's Yeah, even if the decision ends up going your way, I think we'd all rather just not have it at all,
Nottingham Forest's Season Success
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Global Sports Podcast Network
to be honest. So yeah, I think that that's widely accepted as the consensus in the fan base.
00:05:20
Marley
Exactly.
00:05:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
And and I said it on the podcast yesterday, the the decision that went against you with that goal. It's not something I ever want to be seen as given offside. It's just ridiculous.
00:05:34
Marley
Yeah.
00:05:35
Zak
That was weird. It should have yeah should should have been 4-1, realistically, and we should have been 1-10 men. That's why, as much as I enjoyed the the performance in the sort of second half, from a Southampton perspective, it was once again, well it's really nice that we've kind of tried our best once we've sort of killed the game off and it it was kind of it's horrible that moments like that are what's needed to rejuvenate aside and it shouldn't be and yeah i'm very I'm very concerned about some of the conduct of the players in the first half and
00:06:10
Zak
and like realistically it was a howler from Ramsdale that should have stood. It didn't and the problem is is that you know likewise we've had decisions going so that I can remember specifically that you know the gold at wolves and other things like that but it's just it's just ah really upsetting the lack of consistency and just the sheer like how bad it is that you look at a referee before a game and go, oh, no, I know his name, but with Anthony Taylor, it's not even that.
00:06:38
Zak
You're like, good. It's going to be there's going to be at least three or four decisions that are talking points. And here we are.
00:06:44
Marley
no
00:06:45
Zak
Three or four decisions that are talking in points.
00:06:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:06:47
Marley
i
00:06:48
Marley
The thing with Anthony Taylor is, hey he doesn't need to be the referee to make a horrible decision.
00:06:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
Genuinely I think that we've taxed each other for games.
00:06:49
Zak
Shocking.
00:06:56
Marley
Morgan Givenswhite got sent off for winning the ball. Anthony Taylor was the fourth official and he still managed to make the red card decision somehow.
00:07:03
Marley
Like genuinely, it's ridiculous.
00:07:05
Zak
Mad.
00:07:06
Zak
Again, just you just got to hope that it's supposed to be the best league in the world. I kind of find that hard to believe with the level of officiating. But then again, I feel like if you ask pretty much any football fan in any country what their opinion on refereeing is, they'll probably be similar. But again, it's just it's establishing that consistency. And there just seems to be a complete lack of it. And I think that's one of the big problems that I know that that's the ones the problems we've really had, Greg, right?
00:07:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah Yeah, a hundred percent is consistency and it actually that's what he came back to yesterday with the offside decision because we had one exactly the same earlier in the season. it Was it against Arsenal? I can't remember who it was against but it was it was given offside in exactly the same circumstances which I guess shows some sign of consistency between those two specific decisions but also I just don't I don't want that that's not it's never offside And I think I said it yesterday, the fact that it was the maybe the slowest football player I've ever seen in the Premier League, who he was supposedly preventing getting through the ball, really drills the point home of how ridiculous of a decision it was.
00:08:11
Marley
Who's the slowest buyer in the league?
00:08:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
aport or hanatu ah striker
00:08:16
Zak
oh
00:08:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
but
00:08:18
Zak
Who managed to score his first goal yesterday?
00:08:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:08:22
Zak
Seemingly, we never thought we would see it. I thought he was going to be long at the door before. He never actually managed to score, so that was at least a positive for us. But, hey, hey Greg, maybe we should hear from the second caster and then we should all have a think about
00:08:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, absolutely. we should We should leave off the refs for a minute and and head to a message from our partners.
00:08:38
Zak
yeah
00:08:40
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00:09:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
OK, so I don't know, Molly, if we skipped your third point or if there was anything else you had about
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00:09:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
the game.
00:09:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
To be honest, it's nice hearing it from the the forest perspective after another disappointing loss, really.
00:09:20
Marley
Yeah, I mean, our perspective is basically amazing. First off, not so amazing. Second off, we hate Anthony Taylor very much. That's literally all it is really.
00:09:30
Marley
We're all delighted for Elliott and another player who's scored his first goal for a club, his first Premier League goal.
00:09:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:09:38
Marley
and IAT genuinely deserves that goal. He's been knocking on the door so much. and The other talking point is a negative one, however. We're questioning Taiwo Awane. We don't know if he's still up to it. We think he's got injured and he's just not the same player anymore. and So maybe, you know, you could replace him with Taiwo Awane this January.
00:10:00
Marley
I mean, you remember how good he used to be.
00:10:01
Zak
I don't think anyone's going to want to come to us that's Premier League.
00:10:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
to know that
00:10:05
Zak
Pretty sure all of the players we've been linked with are not in the Premier League, probably by design.
00:10:12
Zak
I don't think anyone that's currently in the league is looking Southampton as a place to go to at least the end of the season. and
00:10:19
Marley
Yeah.
00:10:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, and and to be fair I said as mentioned it was a disappointing one but also Heading into the game one. We were really fully expecting we're being honest What a fly in piece of form you guys are on How's the rest of the season been for you?
00:10:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Has it been a bit of a rollercoaster? Are you just riding the high still? Surely you've got to acknowledge that it's in with a title opportunity now.
00:10:42
Marley
and so
00:10:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Are we at that point yet?
00:10:49
Marley
it's been really confusing like first thing I want to sort out by the way there's been a potentially a goal no it's offside yeah one thing I want to point out is at no point will I say we're in a title race the title race is Liverpool against Liverpool the only way Liverpool don't win a title is if they do a Liverpool and completely bottle the title again <unk> just gonna say obviously it's been a great season but
00:11:06
Zak
Thank you.
00:11:18
Marley
Because we're Nottingham Forest, we haven't allowed ourselves to be confident. Like we go into every game expecting to do a forest. Like I'm still expecting results as if we're about to just scrape seven teams by goal difference again. So I'll go into games against you not expecting to win a buy any more than a goal. I'll go into a game against Brighton expecting to get battered and just get a happy surprise when we come out of it a winner. Like I was fully expecting you to walk all over us yesterday, simply because when Forest are doing well, we lose to the bottom of the league. But what we need to realise now is we are a changed team. It's a different era. We look so much better than we've ever looked before. And fingers crossed the rest of the season is just going to carry on being extremely good.
00:12:09
Marley
Champions League on the horizon, maybe.
00:12:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I mean, it's I can't believe that you went into the season feeling like that it was going to be as sort successful so far as it's been. But um from a from a fairly neutral perspective looking in, it is nice to see you up and amongst it. And I mean, I think we can all be in agreement. It's just nice to see you not up and amongst it, right? Is that so how you're feeling?
00:12:38
Zak
Oh, that is a real true capitulation though, isn't it? that That is a city doing something they've never done before, which is absolutely a bottle job at over the space of a couple of games.
00:12:42
Marley
Yeah.
00:12:46
Zak
And, you know, again, their last, you know, I remember obviously they went on that massive streak after beating us 1-0, which was less than convincing, but we kind of got in our heads.
00:12:57
Zak
Oh, maybe we're we're doing really well that we kept the champions to to a 1-0 win. And then looking back on the streak afterwards, we should definitely, you know, had a chance to win that game.
00:13:11
Zak
But hey, yeah it's it's just how it is, unfortunately.
00:13:11
Marley
i one would like to I would like to provide an elsewhere in the Premier League update.
Forest's European Ambitions and Player Analysis
00:13:18
Marley
VAR deemed it not to be offside and toasted a Darraby Yoyo who has put Chelsea 1-0 up against Wolverhampton Wanderers.
00:13:26
Zak
A lot of good times.
00:13:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
I was very bravely pronounced. I'll say, I don't think I'd have been attempting that.
00:13:31
Marley
I do pride myself on pronunciations.
00:13:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
so
00:13:33
Zak
We try our best.
00:13:34
Marley
pronunciation attempts.
00:13:39
Marley
Yeah.
00:13:41
Zak
Right, yeah it's it's kind of so so Europe being a big possibility for you, how do how do you feel about that then, if you if you're not in a total race? do you Can you look that far? you Or are you thinking maybe at least you know the Europa League? like what would your Would you still be happy with that if if everything sort of started to go downhill at the end of the season now and and you ended up still with some sort of European football? Was that considered a win? Or do you think that at this point you've lay it through your fingers?
00:14:12
Marley
I'm with Nuno. The best thing to do at this point, with us doing how we're doing, is take the season, one game at a time, each end of the game. Don't think, oh, this is where we end up in the table. This is what we've got to do. Just think, right, this is our next game. This is what I want from it. This is what we'll have to do to get that result. And honestly, the beginning of the season, I predicted 14th and I would have been more than happy with 17th, delighted with 17th. And I would maintain that.
00:14:39
Marley
now we've made 40 points which almost guarantees survival i i'm just happy uh if we don't get europe i'm not if we get europe obviously i will be over the moon apart from the bet i made at the beginning of the season which if you want me to tell you about it i will but all i wanted from this season is to avoid relegation and we've already achieved that anything else that comes a massive bonus way is
00:15:04
Zak
greg Greg, would you like to remind everybody where you thought? like Tell us the back, tell us the back.
00:15:10
Marley
The bet is, ah so I think it was Mark from our podcast said jokingly he thought we would qualify for the Europa Conference League and at the time with Forrest having just beaten Liverpool and all of us expecting oh that's our one good result for the season we're we're gonna go down said that will never happen and if we do qualify for Europe I'm starting to regret saying this In true Gary Lineker fashion, only not where they're supposed to be, I will present a podcast with a pair of Nottingham Forest underwear on my head.
00:15:42
Marley
And every game we win, I'm getting more and more worried that that's about to happen.
00:15:47
Zak
Incredible I have a similar one. I have a bet that if Suleimada scores a winning goal I have to buy a shirt with his name on the back, which I think is a significantly safer bet because you know we've Yeah, we'll see the contrast Greg Can you tell tell everybody and remind everybody where you thought we would finish this season in the beginning, please?
00:16:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
I predicted that we would finish 12th and at this point it's honestly looking like 12 points might actually be out of reach. So.
00:16:16
Zak
it's ah it's ah yeah It's the very, very extremely contrasting fortunes. Rather than game by game at this point, we're just looking at the next season because that means that we don't need to feel this pain anymore.
00:16:30
Marley
I was genuinely.
00:16:30
Zak
yeah Because it's like we are a wounded animal.
00:16:33
Marley
I was genuinely this is how much I hate that football club. thinking, do we just play the under-8 against Southampton, take the 25-0 loss and hope that they can just do their job and not break that record?
00:16:46
Marley
Because I really want Derby to be the worst team in prem history.
00:16:49
Marley
Please, please, do us a favour.
00:16:49
Zak
yes
00:16:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's fair.
00:16:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think your under-8 might give us a gain.
00:16:54
Zak
it
00:16:56
Zak
i
00:16:59
Marley
You could have Wood and Gibbs-White on loan.
00:17:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, well, on that note of positivity.
00:17:01
Marley
You could have Milankovic on loan if you really need him. Just don't get less than 12 points.
00:17:08
Zak
try We're trying we're trying
00:17:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, ah that with that glimmer of hope, perhaps, Zach, time for a message from our partners at the Global Sports Podcast Network.
00:17:20
Zak
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00:17:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay. Uh, I mean, normally we'd have section three and this would be, predictions for this. We, we know how it went down. So I guess, was there anything from our side that gave you the thought Marley, that maybe we can get past 12 points. Was there anything that surprised you with our sort of late surge that you weren't expecting to see from the team sat on six points at the bottom of the table?
00:18:05
Marley
There are a few things. The first one I really noticed is that one of your players that you brought on, yeah, I think he would just have to lightly step over the roof of the bridge for them as if it was a slug. We've got a six foot nine goalkeeper and I had the same feeling when he came on as I did where every time he runs out to warm up. Who would that be? Would it be Sonimana, Onewatchu?
00:18:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
That was tall Paul O'Hanachie.
00:18:33
Marley
just
00:18:37
Marley
He's massive, so how you've not won more games with him in the box at corners, I am i am amazed.
00:18:45
Marley
Surely he gets goals from corners.
00:18:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
To be honest, the real answer to that is that that's the first time I've seen him win a header.
00:18:51
Marley
Now, how are you that tall and you can't win headers?
00:18:51
Zak
that that last That's unfair, he's he's had a few but the problem is is they've been so soft.
00:18:58
Zak
Ironic 3 somehow seems to be better with his feet somehow.
00:19:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:19:02
Zak
That is mad. His hold up play is really, really good. But to be fair, Greg, he has had some he like headers that have been on target. It's just that usually it's straight at the goalkeeper.
00:19:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
and I think there was, to be fair, a really good save a couple of weeks ago as well that does it sort of a misservice in that regard.
00:19:12
Zak
and that's the And that's been the big problem. There's a lot of confidence issues.
00:19:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
But yeah, there is hope that that goal you know turns the switch on and opens the floodgates and maybe we see Maybe we see him go on and do maybe score some goals where we get some points as well.
00:19:37
Marley
yeah i mean yeah i mean your team has a bit of fight and a bit of desire it took a disallowed goal a goal for you and about 70 minutes for that desire to show through but it's definitely there and your fans are definitely doing their bit you just also Flynn Downs me to me Flynn Downs is Ryan Yates if he just wanted to kill someone
00:19:37
Zak
Me and Greg have had had our opinions on Yeah, our fan base is mad.
00:20:07
Marley
like he looks like he's got the fight, passion, desire of Ryan Yates, only he goes over the top a little bit too much. So if Flynn Downs can tone it down, if he can tone it down, he can become a Ryan Yates in that midfield where everyone absolutely hates him and wants him out of this planet, but your fans will love him and see him as one of the best midfielders on the world.
00:20:15
Zak
I think it's just frustration.
00:20:28
Marley
So it's just those fine tunes which will turn you from an awful side into a half decent side.
Closing Remarks and Future Games
00:20:36
Marley
Just need to find a bit more desire earlier on, get onto actually winning headers and get Flynn down to not try and kill people.
00:20:37
Zak
is
00:20:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Or like kill them the right amount where it stays unpunished anyway. There's there's that as a fine line to tread. You want to see physical aggression right up to the line but not beyond it, right?
00:20:55
Zak
I want to see, yeah, but physical aggression without the yellow card every single week without fatal mate is where I'm at. Like I get it. He, sometimes it's like, you know, we had, we've had bulldogs like that in the past and like Rameu and Wanyama and people like that.
00:21:09
Zak
But like again, it's like, it's.
00:21:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Most successful betting strategy in football history. Honestly, Flynn down to get booked every game, just printing money.
00:21:15
Zak
but
00:21:21
Zak
But yeah, the problem is that he is very lucky this season that it's not been read. And I think that was probably one of the times that it definitely was. And I think that 100%, that was probably why Jorik took him off, because I don't know how much he would have gone on the rest of that game without using his head a little bit. And again, I think it's just... the frustrations of the season are boiling over in some of the players, especially the players that have been in the squad since day one, have watched the manager they worked with hard with to get promoted sort of go out the door. And you can see it in both Taylor Harvard, Bellis and Downs yesterday, sorry, in the last game, because, you know, they're just
00:21:57
Zak
they that it must really suck to be that bad and and lose all of these games and not have really anything and then fight sort of for a bit of the time and then and then still end up with nothing but unless we are the architects of our own downfall 90% of the time.
00:22:13
Marley
Yeah. The thing I like is your fans see the funny side. Like we start singing when we're playing a team down the bottom of the table. Down with the left. You're going down with the Leicester, but you're the first team I've heard respond.
00:22:26
Marley
Down with the Leicester, we're going down with the Leicester.
00:22:28
Zak
Look, we know what we're about. Self-deprotating humour is a part of self-advocacy DNA, I'm afraid.
00:22:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:22:36
Marley
At least you get a Pompeii next season, if they stay up.
00:22:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes, the other.
00:22:40
Zak
Yeah. I'm really hoping not.
00:22:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:22:42
Zak
That's going to be games that we're going to have to struggle going to from Greg Wright.
00:22:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
it's It's games that my wife has outright told me that I'm not allowed to take the kids to, so I guess I'll have an extra ticket for you, mate. We're all right.
00:22:56
Marley
Let's.
00:22:58
Zak
Happy days.
00:23:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
But yeah, well, I guess that really draws us to a close. It was, uh, it was a game. It was a game where, I mean, the the team that was expected to win one and we gave ourselves something to talk about by showing up later in the game, uh, with a little bit of an assist from Anthony Taylor, it has to be said. So I think that sums it up very nicely. Uh, thank you very much guys for joining me. It's been a ah wonderful podcast, uh, and something a bit different. Uh, and thank you everyone for listening.
00:23:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
open listening to the Daily Southampton and the Daily Forest and we will see you next time.