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Episode 104: Matchday Review: Brentford..
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Southampton – We have to talk about it... Can we find positives from it?
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Introduction
00:00:10
Zak
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Welcome to the Daily Southampton, part of the Global Sports Podcast Network.
Discussing Defeat and Relegation
00:00:18
Zak
I am your somehow less defeated co-host, sorry, Sackingo Finch, as ever, joined by my wonderful co-host, Gregory Elliott.
00:00:29
Zak
How are you, mate?
00:00:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
i right Look, we often say on the show that it's the hope that kills you, so I'm on that downward part of the cycle I guess, although I feel like the upward part is more distant than ever at the moment.
00:00:45
Zak
Yeah, I was going to say, how much how much hope is there left mate for this season, realistically? I feel like at this point, we're down, right?
00:00:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
is caesar
00:00:52
Zak
Surely.
00:00:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, you you said...
00:00:54
Zak
Are we down? Good. Are we all in agreement of that?
00:00:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I mean, I've been saying that for a couple of weeks. you sent me a statistic off the show from I think Opter where it was like we have a 99.5% chance of relegation and that was before the Brentford game so that really feels like...
00:01:12
Zak
Yeah, that was there. That truly was the point five, wasn't it? I'm not gonna lie.
00:01:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
0.5 also sort of resembles the amount of effort the players put in so...
00:01:18
Zak
Right.
Fan Disconnection and Embarrassment
00:01:22
Zak
Just, it was just dire. It was just nothing. They gave us nothing. And then to send out poor Taylor Howard-Bellis into the post-match interview. to kind of just waffle about aggression and desire.
00:01:37
Zak
just know why Why can't you describe as Russell Martin soundbit?
00:01:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh no.
00:01:42
Zak
It was very funny.
00:01:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
I haven't even seen that.
00:01:45
Zak
Yeah, you don't want to, mate, if I'm totally honest. Obviously, the thing that's gone viral that everybody has talked about is the the Hugo Schechter, like previous player, the Azon guy for Southampton went, I think, to join West Ham.
00:01:58
Zak
he was back in St Mary's with his mum who predicted a 5-0 loss and it was awful because obviously she won and everyone booed and then Adam Armstrong who had just been on the pitch had to give her the prize which to be honest I'm sure is like quite normal in like hospitality across the the league I just think that it shows you yeah it it shows you
00:02:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's embarrassing. Maybe read the room, quietly pass a box to her table afterwards, don't make a big fuss about it, honestly.
00:02:27
Zak
Yeah, it says, I think it's the the dis the cognitive cognitive dissonance between like the hospitality and where they make the money and like the actual people that sit week in, week out watching the football.
Management and Recruitment Woes
00:02:43
Zak
And yeah, I think that we're going to start to see people vote with their feet.
00:02:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Poor damage brigade in it.
00:02:47
Zak
We already started to see people vote with their feet, but like at the attendance of 31,000 pounds, like 31,000 fans, sorry, when we are bottom of the Premier League with six points, Well, like it just doesn't feel like a and a wind's coming from anywhere.
00:03:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, they'll find out next week in the FA Cup game, mate.
00:03:02
Zak
And it's wild, because part of
00:03:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
We've all seen how many tickets are still for sale. I don't think that that that particular defeat is going to inspire any confidence. I mean, we've shipped 15 goals in our last four home games.
00:03:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, 16. Sorry, I forgot one.
00:03:21
Zak
Hmm.
00:03:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
like
00:03:23
Zak
It's dire, isn't it? And like, you think people, and like, it's like, oh, that's not true fans. I remember even seeing a post about them taking a photo of like, Brentford fans not using safe standard or whatever. It's like, oh, they're all shut down. They're throwing them up. And I'm like, I was like, let's not try and have a fight about who's the biggest fans here. like It's ridiculous. like anyone Because part of me, it always feels like that's what they want you to buy into. They sort of like, oh, if you don't turn up to every game, you're not a true fan. That's exactly what they want. They just want cold hard cash at the end of the day.
00:03:53
Zak
And it's, it's, I think the turning has fine. The screws are finally turned onto the owners. I've seen people saying we shouldn't ever suck for us a month. I'm seeing it's all Zurich's fault. I'm seeing maybe it's just the players are bad and it's like, ultimately it comes down to a bad management of a football club and bad recruitment.
00:04:11
Zak
and that bad recruitment is because they lost all of the scouts that were good because they tried to implement like that weird system where you weren't just a scout for Southampton, you were a scout for Sports Republic and like basically wanted you to do like wanted the scouts to do all the scouting for like the network as opposed to like individually working for a club and I think we lost a lot of people then. But then even now you're seeing stories come out about when Sparky was in charge and like the owner Gao at the time saw Vestergaard and wanted to buy him off the back of it and it's like we have just become the most absolute banter club because we're like nice people I think is how it feels and we still support the team no matter what and I'm like I don't really know what was worth supporting out there yesterday mate if I'm genuinely honest like I don't understand
00:04:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
I've got I've
Momentary Optimism and Transfers
00:04:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
right. We've had like a day to ruminate on it and it's it's made me really sad and I think I've come up with Half a positive out of the entire game and that was a stretch right and that is that ah but When they when they had to go disallowed we took from that and it looked for about six minutes like we were going to get ourselves back in the game and score and go on to win it and then we conceded and that was game over like our heads immediately dropped that was the only there was six minutes in the game where we posed any threat whatsoever and and that was it that's the half of positive
00:05:43
Zak
that And that was once again, like you could shove 11 of our players into the box and they still won't score.
00:05:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
And it has to be said that that became largely because of the substitutions of Adam Armstrong and Cameron Archer. I've seen Adam Armstrong get dog's abuse because he's been absolutely bang average at best for the entire season and that's fair.
00:05:57
Zak
Yeah, agreed.
00:06:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
But he did for those six minutes make that impact.
00:06:09
Zak
has he been worse than any of the other players? We give a lot of stick to specific players. We give a lot of praise to others like, you know, Tyler Dibbling. Yeah, he's been great. Also scored a few goals, but like,
00:06:20
Zak
I feel like we would, any player that is even half good, you would shove in our side at the moment and they would, you know, we're talking about sending players out on loan to their previous clubs after six months of being hit.
00:06:32
Zak
One of the rumors knocking around is the Ben Barrett and Diaz thing.
00:06:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yep.
00:06:34
Zak
Apparently there's now a verbal agreement in place, which means either leaks are coming out of the club or alternatively, everyone else and their dogs, yeah, exactly there.
00:06:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's pushing for it.
00:06:42
Zak
And I don't really blame him for it either. I don't blame any players that want to be here.
00:06:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
If I was Carl Walker Peters, I would be on my way, I would be on my push bike to Leicester by now, if that was what it would take because, and the end part is, of the entire team, he's one of the ones that notably tried for most of the game yesterday.
00:06:45
Zak
I don't blame Carl Walker Peters for probably going in January.
00:06:52
Zak
Yeah, and it's devastating, genuine devastating.
00:06:59
Zak
Oh yeah, you could you could see how visibly frustrated he was getting because he's just like, what you're surrounded by, and you know, the amount of times the ball would get forward and and no one was there for it.
00:07:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:07:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:07:11
Zak
The amount of times that, you know, as much as tool pool tries to act as a target man, that's great if he's ever someone to hit, but there were the amount of times where Ramsel would cross it up and he just wasn't there.
00:07:22
Zak
You're like, where is he?
00:07:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
fur okay so i was um The first time he managed to take the ball down and successfully pass it to a Southampton player,
00:07:23
Zak
It's just, ugh.
00:07:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
was in the I think it was the 28th minute that I noticed that and then he passed it to I think Sulamana managed to get the ball and then eventually in about eight passes time it made its way back to Ramsdale so that was good wasn't it? Complete waste of time.
00:07:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
it yeah
00:07:49
Zak
It's all this like energy on the training ground BS that be that that does mind in, so obviously you missed the post-match interview, you'd have probably been well in the amount of cars going home, which meant that ironically, you staying to the end meant that you actually beat traffic this time round.
00:08:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I actually had a very clear run.
00:08:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
I only got stuck right near easily, so it was fine.
00:08:08
Zak
And so it's kind of, it's kind of wild because, you that you know, and I don't really blame anyone because you're like, what are you, what were you watching him at this point? Like we have, and and the problem is just like, there was a little bit of host. Our new manager bounce was a nil, nil draw.
00:08:20
Zak
And like, that's just nuts.
00:08:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:08:22
Zak
Absolutely nuts. And I feel bad for the guy. I don't think it's really his fault. I don't think, I just don't think any of the players are interested. Everyone's moved thinking about their next club and the part from Lallana that's talking about coming back up next year, which means his his heads well in the championship already.
00:08:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:08:38
Zak
It's just you don't know You don't know where to point and what to look at like it's such a it's such a mess And I feel like that was really the the nail in the coffin Yeah, we'll take a well listen to a calm wonderful little words from our partners at zencaster before we come back and discuss some more and
00:08:44
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00:09:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
and Flynn-Downs is injured.
Lineup Challenges and Philosophies
00:09:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
So we we had Big Lez in midfield who has been showing promise in that position, but is yet to be a proven commodity. And Joel Rebo, who is middle to average player, who has sparks of good occasionally, but is definitely not shown any of that in that holding role. And Tsunamana, now anyone who watched sue any of the minutes of Sulemana against West Ham and against in the last home game and decide that he is the player to drive us forward and attack. I don't know. I don't know how you get reached that conclusion. and you know The genuinely upsetting part is he wasn't awful, but he really still did nothing.
00:10:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
like
00:10:33
Zak
so i i i think when we yeah that's the sad thing about it is i said to you a couple of times like he actually does look at least try to put a shift in and i just don't think he's that good i think that's all it's come down to you uh when we bought him i think that he kept being lauded but for lauded for the whole oh he was the fastest player in the world cup he was he was good in the world cup he was the fastest player in the world cup that's great
00:10:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
He looked like he was one of the players actively trying and he still did nothing.
00:10:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
no
00:10:59
Zak
It resulted in nothing, apart from two goals against Liverpool, which was himself trying to put himself in a shop window in a game that Liverpool had no real stake in. We were already down, so we had no stake in.
00:11:10
Zak
It was just a wild end of the season, right?
00:11:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:11:12
Zak
And since then, he's been in and out of injuries, and he had this opportunity at Tottenham and then was brought up five minutes into it, which admittedly wasn't really his fault. he's been given a full 90 and this is the lack of intensity, passion and I can understand that confidence is low.
00:11:28
Zak
Taylor Hartman-Bares was saying oh it's got confidence though so I actually think it's this and it's just like at this point I can't can't deal with excuses from anybody, they're just bad, they're just not Premier League quality, they're not good enough to be in the Premier League, they're not.
00:11:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. But then. But the real biggest issue on the field was the midfield, because it was just not there. It was invisible completely. It shows how much we miss Flynn Downs, who hasn't even been fantastic for us this season, but clearly was still the glue that held the team as together as it was.
00:11:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
And obviously, Mati Fernandez is a huge miss, consistently one of the actual quality players on the pitch when we play.
00:12:02
Zak
Well, I think it shows you his defensive work for a man that is not meant to be in doing as much defensive work as he was.
00:12:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:12:07
Zak
We've pointed out before, I know I think a couple of weeks ago, he was at fault for a goal at some point where he didn't head out properly, but he still got his head to it.
00:12:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah yeah yeah but we've got right but also just briefly carry on with the midfield or one further point we've got this bloated squad of all these players
00:12:14
Zak
But like, I think that, you know, the fact that even Thomas Frank was joking about how we just gave up. And and at this point, you're like, you know, we we discussed about it intensity. So you know, I'm just going to quickly shift now to, you know, we we know we were bad yesterday.
00:12:30
Zak
There isn't a huge amount we could do. Our midfield was bad. Our strikers don't score. oh
00:12:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
But Joe Aribo went down injured in like the 24th minute or something. And I'm stuck there link looking at the bench going, who the hell are we going to bring on in midfield? It's too early in the game to chuck Lara on.
00:12:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
We'll have to bring him off again. Like, what are we doing?
00:12:55
Zak
Yeah, but that's so ah ah also, and I'm sure, I know you've got you've got some plans lined up, but this is also what happens when instead of just having a squad of players, you have squads that are built around philosophies.
00:13:05
Zak
And when you build a squad around on philosophy, it results in players that are unable to naturally play into positions that' they're due to play in. And I know that you've got a lot in the tank and we'll leave it for another episode um for that.
00:13:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:13:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
A long episode on that.
00:13:18
Zak
Yeah, I know you do. You've been cooking up for a while. But it's it's you're right. like We've got a huge squad of, but this is this comes back to the poor recruitment. And this comes back to the whole, you know it was three years of Sports Republic that day.
00:13:31
Zak
And you know people have been throwing stats about how awful they've been in the Premier League. They've invested money. They have invested money. You can't say that they're not. They're not the worst owners. But the problem is is also they don't have any footballing ambition at all.
00:13:42
Zak
It's a business.
00:13:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, that comes down to their structure, right? They don't have anyone on any level of management with any football experience. The most senior member of any department of our football club, top to bottom, is Marianne Spacey-Kale, head of women's football.
00:13:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
And that's not, you know, small she doesn't deal with the men's side of the game at all.
00:14:00
Zak
And that's not, that's not. yeah
00:14:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
And that's the bread and butter of the business, supposedly. so
00:14:07
Zak
But this is, this is the thing is that like, it's how many from a, from a, from an us perspective, like they will notice when people stop paying to go, you can protest all you want. They, they've clearly shown that they care.
00:14:18
Zak
about that kind of stuff. The only time, the only place you can hurt these people is their wallets. And it's like, you don't want to go into a position where we collapse financially again, right? Like you were discussing, you know you don't want to go into a position where we when we got taken over by the Leavers that we were almost liquidated as a club.
00:14:31
Zak
You don't want to get anywhere near that. So so you don't want to get rid of them and just get us to sell thus sell us to anybody.
00:14:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:14:37
Zak
but also the flip Because you don't want to watch the club be eliminated. But also, the flip side of that is that like we went from at least you know his daughter kind of cared for a little bit. until all of a sudden she just couldn't be bothered with the football anymore. And that's that's whatever. You know, parents don't necessarily take on their, they you know, sorry, kids don't take on their parents legacy necessarily. like It was very antiquated way of looking at life if you think that a father should do a son's, a son should do a father's job an nowadays. so So I completely understand that. But the problem is, is that the the club has kind of been on a downward turn when we were sold to somebody who the first time he tried to buy us,
00:15:14
Zak
he wasn't allowed to due to dodgy finances and then the second time was and then funnily enough gave no money. The only time I ever saw Gao give an interview was with the Eastley MP who was the at the time Mims Davis, she was like minister for sport or something and then over that disappeared and sold us our club to a group of people that had a great idea but haven't necessarily backed it. But also, when we're talking about the structure that you spoke about, Greg, their Turkish club are doing great. They're fifth in the league. That's nuts. They came up from promotion, fifth in the league. So it's like, we're not the only thing, you know, they can just pivot away. They might they'll lose a lot of money in the Premier League. They'll lose a lot of money, but it's not like they will collapse as a result of us being bad. And like, again, the giving out an award for five nil, getting Adam Armstrong to come upstairs, having a laugh and a joke about it. And the fact that they've not said any anything realistically,
00:16:03
Zak
kind of says everything you need to know. And I don't think there's going to be a huge amount as a fan base you can do because it shows you that the power in football, the power in sports like this is
Financial Concerns and Ownership Issues
00:16:14
Zak
is all within the money. And this is the sad reality of the things that we, you know, we did a wonderful episode of how much sport means to the fans and people who will sit and watch this dross week in, week out because they care, they want a spark, they want something back.
00:16:28
Zak
how do you stand up to those people? And the only way that you can physically show it is by by not going, but then they'll get you and the whole, well, you're not a true fan then, you should go up to every game. And it's like, so we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. We we we either get sold to somebody that might make it worse. We get sold to people that necessarily don't care. And I think it raises a bigger question as to how the football league works when it comes to all that kind of stuff.
00:16:54
Zak
I don't know what the answer is. I just know that if anything, yeah.
00:16:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
The answer to me is obvious. Yeah, bringing football heads and football experience at an executive level and sort the football out. Like the last time any of our recruitment was any good is when we bought in a someone in a role, literally called Director of Football, Jason Wilcox. And even it then, oh arguably, I thought it was very good because he bought half of City's Academy with him. But even so, it is a footballing brain in a football position to drive the football.
00:17:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
like it we talked before Russell Martin went but we oh at some point but like we talked about it before we sat Russell Martin like are we what's the
00:17:30
Zak
It's the arrogance of man, mate. It's the arrogance of man. They are going to, if somebody thinks that they know what they're doing, until it is really proven that they are. like If you relegate a club twice because you think you know what you're doing, and you still haven't learned your lesson, are you gonna learn it on three, fourth, fifth occasion? Especially if you still got the money.
00:17:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
who yeah We just didn't Russell Martin echo chamber here and there's that who's driving the recruitment and if that was the case and that's gone I mean now just starting from scratch. What's the deal? Why?
00:18:06
Zak
Well, yeah, exactly. It's this whole the fact that Zurich's got a meeting with the board to talk about the transfer targets they have. And you're like, shouldn't that be something that has been, you know, it's very strange. I feel like the transfer targets we're going to have are just going to actually be, here's all of the outgoings. You've got young players that they keep talking about how they wanted to bring Zurich in to continue our tradition of bringing young players through. Yet, Sam Amu, I don't know who he's annoyed to never get a game.
00:18:33
Zak
we had had the under 21's coach at one point running the team for two games and seemed to do a better job so far than most the rest. But he kind of was taken up by surprise by that and quite frankly looked at the job and went, I don't want to take that job.
00:18:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't blame him.
00:18:46
Zak
I think No, not at all. But I think you're right. But the problem is, is like it's the the arrogance of not wanting to like admit they're wrong. That's just like a human thing, right? And it feels like they don't care. Because if they, let until they make a mistake that's so catastrophic to their like funds that they end up having to do something about it, by which point it's too late. I don't know how much they're gonna they going to want to do anything.
00:19:10
Zak
Like, you've got to wonder why you're right. I'm just, I'm so annoyed because it's like, you're right. The simple answer is to do, to bring in footballing people.
00:19:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:19:19
Zak
I just don't see them doing that. And youre that's insane because it's just, this is the business. it's football but We have, ah ah at various points in our lives, Greg, worked for an energy company, and it's like having a guy come in and go, I know nothing about energy companies, but I do know about getting my team to be efficient, and you're like, cool, should you know something about an energy business at all? No. And it's like, well, maybe, maybe hire someone that does? Ugh, you're right. Right, well...
00:19:53
Zak
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00:20:17
Zak
Right, I will jump on some sort of positivity because I know that you're extremely depressed because you also had to go to the game, which feel for you, I genuinely do.
00:20:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
There is another positive. I found another positive as well.
00:20:28
Zak
Have you found another one? Let's go yours first, then we'll roll over to mine.
00:20:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
didn't start raining until I got home.
00:20:36
Zak
You're right. okay yeah like the weather whether to consider it I was at the Chelsea game of you and that was miserable as sin.
00:20:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's a win. Yeah.
00:20:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:20:44
Zak
I guess the only other thing is that you've got to remember all of the banter that's going on in the rest of the Premier League, like um um our illustrious colleagues at the Global Sports Podcast podcast Network, we have a big WhatsApp group, everyone chats football, and it's like watching all of the the Manchester United and the Manchester City Like members will have in like absolute meltdowns and then the Spurs members about everything going on with their clubs and it's like we are so far below that that we are like not even in their same stratosphere like they do not have an interest because they're like what's up that are bound.
00:21:15
Zak
and have been like that since November so it's like at least we can laugh at all of their misfortunes because like imagine being like 12 and being so upset about it that you're having daily arguments be like what can we do something needs to change and we're like sat 20th like we've just accepted mediocrity but
00:21:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:21:32
Zak
I think that there is a quote from one of our, i some at least I don't know if he listens, but he's someone that we frequently interact with on Twitter. And it's Justin Strong. And he said, sadly, apathy has replaced anger because every game ends in the defeat.
00:21:48
Zak
And I haven't been thinking about that quote non-stop for probably at least yesterday and some of today because I think that that is where we're at now, right? Like we have got to a point where we we can't really be angry about the state of the club because it's just so miserable.
00:22:04
Zak
And like, we're quite, well, we're British, we're quite good at turning in the humour. Like, I think one of my wife's favourite things that she's laughed at is just all of the various different charts, you know? Like, how bad must you be?
00:22:15
Zak
It's only one nil, obviously, with the the swearing taken out there. But like, all of that...
00:22:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
there are There was ah ah a personal highlight of that humour from the Brentford fans yesterday. a Shout out when it was 3-0 and they were shot in Aaron Ramsdale. He's got the score on his back.
00:22:32
Zak
for the second time in this season and yeah it's difficult but I think that ultimately there's so much anger and whether it's misplaced or not I think that the anger and the attitude was all due to the fact that we all ultimately care about the team and want it to succeed and it's so defeatist to see where we are now and it's hard like it
00:22:54
Zak
yeah I love the fact that we do this podcast. I love football, but it's been difficult week in, week out, day after day, trying to find optimism out of the sky. And I'm a bad eye. Greg is much better. Greg is a man who I've known for a long time, who can find good in any terrible situation somehow. And I think that you'll just build different to me, mate. Because this isn't the only thing in your life that's gone wrong. And you're like, that is. And I'm like, no, I really don't.
00:23:22
Zak
and Yeah, I think we all we're all a bit miserable. And i you know I think that, to be honest, anything that is a slightly improved performance in the next game will be exciting.
00:23:33
Zak
I feel like if we get battered by Swansea, it will be very upsetting. We'll have all the ports were floating on our back.
00:23:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
one Someone on the way out of the stadium said to me, well, it can't get worse. And I laughed at them.
00:23:47
Zak
It can, we can go we can go out to some, but like, you know, and I think you've said at this point, like, just give the kids a chance, chuck out all the people that want to play, can't be any worse, you know, do do what like Bolton did when they went down and had absolutely no players and ended ended up just putting out the entirety of their like under 17s to under 20s, because no other player would play at the football club because they didn't have contracts.
00:23:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:24:08
Zak
You know, I just I just feel like you've got a group of there some talented members of our squad that must just feel like they're on a completely different planet to others. You've got others that have been brought in that were hoping to restart their career that haven't for a lot of reasons that are mainly down to our ownership that this hasn't jelled correctly. And you're right. The first step.
00:24:27
Zak
that they can at least do to prove to us that they want to fix this problem is to you start caring about the football more. I have a feeling it's going to instead be some stupid statement signing. Like, to be honest, it was kind of in the summer. I think you see Ramsdale going down into the championship with us, or do you see him being swapped, that like, swooped up by somebody else when we leave?
00:24:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's already been linked to all sorts of Premier League clubs like Newcastle and we'll probably make our money back on him and would
00:24:52
Zak
Yeah, and there you I think we're already at the stage now. We're all of all going to be thinking about rebuild. We are going to have to think about, you know as the manager we've got now in charge, he he felt, I think that he was a lot more apologetic to the fan base than I've seen.
00:25:09
Zak
you know was There was none of that, oh, everyone tried their best. He literally just came out, was quite bluntly said that was a terrible game. I'm really sorry for everyone that turned up.
00:25:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think if we've learned anything about Drew Richards that he's not gonna pop off, hold back, he's gonna...
00:25:20
Zak
Oh, he won't sugarcoat anything, and he's blunt as blunt as heck when it comes to most things.
00:25:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
No. And I'm fine with that. And look, at the end of the day, whether he is the answer or not to any of our problems, like it was financial suicide to get rid of him until the end of the season.
00:25:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
And even if it's not financial suicide, what are we gonna get in?
00:25:33
Zak
Oh, that's not going to happen.
00:25:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
Nobody's saving us at this point, so it is what it is.
00:25:40
Zak
We are in the Ruben Salas era of the first relegation, except this one
00:25:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:47
Zak
you know, didn't start with the new manager bounce of a 1-0 winning at Chelsea.
00:25:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
just about made it into 2025. Well done, guys.
00:25:52
Zak
So, yeah, it will be, you know, and it it feels like a lot of what Russell had built was wasted. And a lot of that might be down to, you you know, I think that everyone's starting to see maybe it was the decisions of the board. I think that Russell Martin's football style didn't help at all either. It's definitely lowered the confidence of the players. I think it was probably the right decision still. I don't think that keeping him for the sake of it was worth it probably would have saved us a bit of money but they're gonna have to look at spending smart and I think to spend smart you hit the nail on the head mate which is we need footballing people in charge of the football and it does mean that our ownership has to put aside their egos I'm just not very optimistic that they will and until then you're gonna have to hope that we at least have some good times and some maybe wins or games that aren't shocking for the rest of the season and enjoy the road while it lasts because
00:26:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
Future Outlook and Conclusion
00:26:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
go genuinely We've been saying it as a joke for weeks but we need to not be as bad as Darby were.
00:26:41
Zak
originally when we
00:26:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
that's We need to score enough points to beat Darby.
00:26:50
Zak
Yeah, I think that is genuinely genuinely where we're at now.
00:26:55
Zak
and you know And if they do go down as the worst team in history, it's yeah it's another record we've broken for everybody else and ourselves.
00:27:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
They pretty much deserve it.
00:27:05
Zak
And we'll have to know maybe
00:27:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
Will it be as embarrassing as Adam Armstrong having to hand out a shirt at someone who predicted a five nil loss?
00:27:12
Zak
Yeah and it's yeah what absolutely so we're really sorry we couldn't bring you joy today as there's no way that we could everyone watch that game everyone who's invested in Sal Anthony knows how awful it is to see that because it's happened so many times this season and last season let let's not forget this isn't the first time we've lost five nil in in as many you know tight I mean it is many fixtures in the last sort of 12 months but
00:27:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's hard to say.
00:27:40
Zak
All we can hope for is going forward, there is a response to that. you know Whether it be a footballing decision that's taken off the field, whether it is that the players decide collectively to try harder than they have done. you know there shouldn' There needs to be a level of energy and intensity that says they want to win football games. And I get that that's hard, but they're also being paid significantly large quantities of money to do a job. And if I stopped doing my job and down tools every time that I got upset at work, my boss would find me on the
00:28:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, absolutely.
00:28:11
Zak
That's the other flip. That's the flip side of it. And you know not take us all for months because we're all hardworking you know people that pay to go and see this. This is meant to be an entertainment, a form of entertainment, something that we enjoy and something we care about. And the reason that we're all so emotionally invested is because you know it ends up mattering more than it, maybe more than it should to some. as As you pointed out, it's not a matter of life and death. Football is far more important than that.
00:28:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:28:32
Zak
And I'm hoping that, you know, if the fans decide to vote on their feet and that's ones he said, like game, the stadium's empty.
00:28:39
Zak
Well, that will tell them everything they need to know. But one day the storm clouds will pass and we will have our club back again in one way or another, probably not the form that it is now, probably with different players.
00:28:52
Zak
But that is unfortunately the cycle of football.
00:28:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hopefully some good ones.
00:28:56
Zak
That'd be really nice, wouldn't it, mate?
00:28:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
That'd be nice.
00:28:58
Zak
Maybe all of the Premier League players we had will go next time round and we can do a complete rebuild from the ground up. Who knows? But until then, we have been the Daily Southampton and we will be on this journey for the rest of the season, which is starting to feel a lot longer. You can find us on all of the social media, X, BlueSky, Instagram,
00:29:21
Zak
TikTok, other places that I've forgotten. YouTube, that's the one I always forget. Yeah, we will tweet out our opinions on things and usually try and post a couple of things at least twice a day. So thank you for joining us. Thank you for listening. This has been a very ranty rambling match review because what is there to review other than we got battered 5-0 at home?
00:29:44
Zak
and the players down towards after the second goal.
00:29:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, again.
00:29:46
Zak
It's just it is the same. But it is how it is and we must deal with it. So thank you very much for joining us. Thank you, Greg, as always. I'm so sorry you had to deal with the torment of dragging all your kids out in that cold again to watch that.
00:30:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's fine mate, it's only Newcastle one next game, it'll be fine.
00:30:02
Zak
but that
00:30:06
Zak
Triple Captain Isaac you've heard it first Thank you for joining us everyone and we will see you tomorrow for some transfer business Transfer Tuesday replacing our current tactics Tuesday until the window is closed Goodbye
00:30:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
wound
00:30:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
At an opportune time, thank god for that.