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Season 2- Episode 10- World Cup Final Weekend & Premiership Round 3
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Big week with lots to talk about we've got you covered from this side of the Atlantic. The big news dropping out of North London at Allianz Park is obviously a focal point for everyone, yes we talk about it too. SPOILER ALERT, if you hate the Saracens, this might not be your cup of tea. Oh yeah, there was some big match this weekend over in Japan too, we get dig into that as well. We also recap all the weekend's action from the Premiership and of course we preview next week's matchups to help you get that edge on your friends in your fantasy leagues for both The Rugby Magazine and draft formats.
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Transcript
Introduction & Rugby Tournament Overview
00:00:08
Speaker
What's up everybody this is the best of my name is Jared Dyke. I'm Ben Glaver. It was the final that I kind of had a feeling might happen just because we we talked about it even in the spring like we had a lot of good finals in this calendar year and a lot of averages were gonna catch up to us. Yeah a little bit of a I mean
00:00:33
Speaker
I don't want to take anything away from South Africa because they have themselves a hell of a tournament. Right. And, you know, all the smart people before the tournament started picked them. But before that final was not a good representation of rugby. No, you want like you want a better, a much better. Like pace of play style of play. Yeah. Show the game, not a bunch of kicks. No, I know. I mean, it's it was a little indicative of
00:01:03
Speaker
Just I mean it was basically this Depending on how the first 10 minutes went was basically who was going to win because If this was wide open then it was probably going to be england's game or more open I should say if it was a lot of set piece and a lot of penalties. Whoa, whoa, whoa Time out. Whoa. I am I I do not have a beer. Oh, yeah. Good job
00:01:26
Speaker
stop the pod yeah yeah no I think we were we jumped into the final before we meant to and you know it is what it is because we do have some news notes that we want to get yeah
00:01:38
Speaker
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Saracens' Penalties & Impact Discussion
00:01:51
Speaker
I would like to, while we're here, thank the Rugby Magazine for their fantastic upgrades they've given us. Yes. Holy shit, they're so helpful. Not having to check Twitter. So I had my day off on Friday waiting the games and
00:02:07
Speaker
It was so nice not to have to go into Twitter and take that out. Okay, we started for Lester, we started for Bristol. No, I don't need to look up the things and then transpose them and all that other shit. So thanks, TRM. You guys are great. Get their upgrades. Yeah, definitely get their upgrades.
00:02:27
Speaker
So we'll, we'll, uh, everybody just forget the first five minutes of Ben and I talking because, uh, we got into that and couldn't help ourselves, but, um, there is news and notes and it just so happens we happened to have tabled our, our pod for today. Well, the big, a big bit of news dropped, dropped today. Saracens are being docked 35 points and what 5 million quid or something like that. Yeah, but who gives a shit about them? That's them to deal with. I don't think he's worried about that. Um,
00:02:57
Speaker
So, I haven't read enough to sit here and give you an unbiased opinion. My opinion is going to be biased and it's going to be biased if you're listening to this pod for the first time. Ben and I are Saracen supporters. I've been a Saracen supporter since I knew what European rugby was. Ben hopped on the bandwagon a few years ago with me. Basically, I more or less
00:03:20
Speaker
you know, Jedi mind tricked him into joining the Saracens. So, you know, as looking at it objectively as possible, I can't do that at the moment because I haven't read enough on it. But I can give you my opinion. And the opinion is, I think the sanction, just on the sanction of himself, super heavy handed, as I think Nigel Ray is the one that put it that way. They are very heavy handed, 35 points. Oh my goodness.
00:03:47
Speaker
Yeah, you know at that point it's the I know that's probably the point they're trying to relegate the Saracens You
Player Earnings & Post-Rugby Opportunities
00:03:54
Speaker
know, it's what it comes down to in my book at least. Um, yeah, that's what it clearly seems like that which is a bad look Um in my opinion to to go right to attempted relegation Um, it's bad for the sport too
00:04:09
Speaker
So I can only assume that it'll get altered. To me, it would make sense if you wanted to give them a
00:04:19
Speaker
some sort of um Docking over the like two years say look instead of 35 one year give them 20 this year 15 and x Which still gives them an opportunity you can play you can still get relegated because of that if you suck too much Yeah, if you suck hard enough, you will get relegated because of that um, but mostly because this is a boat, you know This is one of this is a year where there's both the world cup and obviously as always six nations that are going to um
00:04:45
Speaker
And obviously Champions Cup like those are focuses that the the Sarri's top players are gonna have to you know Their Academy grown players. You're welcome are gonna have to skip
00:04:58
Speaker
Yep. Yeah, I mean, and to the point of, you know, and there's haters are going to hate, but those that are just like jumping on the on the shit wagon for against the Saracens. Remember half of the excuse me, a third of the team that was put into place this past weekend.
00:05:19
Speaker
come from the Saracens. And I'm not talking about the guys that have signed with them. I'm talking about guys that have been grown in their academy for one way or another. You want to talk about those guys on top of it? You can just put another big chunk on top of that. So you're talking about most of their forward pack that was starting this weekend. And you're talking about also a couple of solid bench players on there. And in my opinion, the guys should have been on the plane to begin with Ben Spencer. I think a lot of people would have a hard time arguing that.
00:05:45
Speaker
That's we'll get to the game in a minute, but you know, it's just If you're gonna keep if you're gonna jump on the shit wagon, you know what? You might as well just throw half your England team in the yeah in the bucket too because that's this is where they're coming from I hate to tell you and also the England English rugby fans do enjoy getting shat on by Champions Cup teams that aren't the Saracens right because for all
00:06:09
Speaker
I mean the last three or four years Saracen's the only one that made the knockout round the last three or four years I know there's been other teams that have made it in that time, but four three
Saracens' Future Prospects
00:06:17
Speaker
four maybe even five years Saracen's are the only consistent team from England rugby that make it from English rugby that make it that far and obviously they've raised the trophy three times, but it's like You know, you you can't have your cake and eat it too. Sorry. So I pick one my understanding too Was and I still don't get all the details
00:06:39
Speaker
But as I was the conversation I was starting with Jared before prepod was there are a lot of teams in the United States. So we come from a different background here in the U.S. with respect to salary caps and stuff like that, where they're just not free agent destinations.
00:06:58
Speaker
And that's because there's... Right. Buffalo, Oklahoma City, you know, a lot of like, I know Travis Kelsey, the tight end from the Kansas City Chiefs, bitches all the time because there's not there's really nowhere for him to make any big money endorsements. So he doesn't really get stuff off the field the way he would if he were in an L.A., in L.A. or New York or Miami, like some of these other places where it's high profile.
00:07:26
Speaker
You see the NBA players flocking to Miami, LA, New York, these kinds of teams, because there's opportunities outside. That stuff doesn't go to their salary towards that team's salary cap. But if a team is helping players with business opportunities, to me, that's not a salary cap consideration.
00:07:49
Speaker
I think a lot of athletes that are over here would love an owner like Nigel Ray to be in their court because you're talking about especially rugby players who don't make a lot of money right now. They really don't. Top rugby players are barely scratching the surface of what some of these
00:08:08
Speaker
guys both in, you know, in footy foot, European football and also here in the NFL, NBA, MLB, good God. Right. You know, so, you know, these guys are trying, D'Angelo is trying it right now. Yes, he can't, he can't just, you know, pour in the cash and then bankrupt himself. I'm sure he would if he could.
00:08:28
Speaker
He's not going to, but what he can do is be like, all right, let me help you set you up for life after rugby. So he's got a hand in Wolfpack Lager. He has a hand in Tiki Tonga Coffee. And he's basically just been like, here's a bit of money to start your company. Go do it and don't screw it up. Basically is what it's come down to. And I'm sure he's given him some advisors along the way to help him out. But still, he's
00:08:51
Speaker
He's helping these guys for life after Ruby. You can't tell me that Chris Wiles isn't having a friggin ball right with Volpeck and Ali Hargreaves are just having the time of the life Brad Barrett's about to probably walk away soon He's gonna have a company that he can you know continue to work for work with and you know He has something to go to work for every day now instead of and you know, that's that's the other end of it that I think people need to consider is that
00:09:16
Speaker
When you walk away, and you and I have had this conversation actually on this pod, but when you walk away, the mental tax that that is on you, when you're just like, what do I do? What do I do today? I'm supposed to be at training. I guess, no, get not doing that today.
00:09:35
Speaker
Hey, what am I supposed to do today? Anybody know? Somebody tell me. So, you know, when you walk away from that space and you just don't have that thing to go to work for every day and yeah, okay, you can have a normal job, at least he can be prepared to walk into something like this, somebody like Brad Barrett and there's other guys who's the guy that just, Fraser just had to walk away, you know, and he was set up with a job already.
00:10:00
Speaker
So it and from what I understand also is that none of these things counted in the salary cap. So what I want to know is what are the payments that the players were made to players that are being found. I want to know how much it's over. You know, if we're over by, you know, if we're over by one percent, get fucked.
00:10:23
Speaker
If we're over by 15%, okay, we have a problem. I will admit that. If they're seriously dirty stuff, then okay, let's kind of see it. Let's sort it out. Did it really take the permission of three years to sort this out? I know they only started officially investigating it in the spring, but this came up probably two, three years ago already. You can't tell we didn't have people sniffing around already. Right.
00:10:46
Speaker
Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing what it is. And I do feel like if this is something that was found over time, yeah, spread it out over time. Because this obviously takes them out of contention for the, you know, relegation aside. It takes them out of contention for the championship and the Champions Cup next year. That's a pretty fair, that's a pretty big punishment right there. And if you want to do that two years in a row, I'm OK with that.
00:11:12
Speaker
Um, you know, that's why I said like the 21 year 15 the next because 15 you could still make champions cup for good. Yeah for the following year It's not that's not a huge deal. Um, I mean you still could even with 20 possibly who knows but at least it's a fight It's something, you know, it's not pushing you towards relegation. That's the big thing that it's a little that's a little uh
00:11:31
Speaker
That's a little much for me. So I think hopefully this is one of those things where they meet out the huge punishment. Everybody goes, oh, and then they say, OK, no, we'll walk it back
England vs South Africa Final Analysis
00:11:41
Speaker
a little bit. Yeah. And then maybe they were playing on Nigel Ray appealing. And this is kind of what they were going to be like. They were like, all right, we'll slap them with this heavy one. And we'll probably get forced to walk it back a touch. Yeah. Like if it goes back to 20 points, then I think everybody's all right. So as it is, just looking at it as if we were
00:12:01
Speaker
Looking at it. If how how can Saracens survive if this if this is to stand? Well, I looked at the last five relegation totals all the way back to season uh 2014 2015 The highest finish point finish from a relegated team was 31. That was last year. That was new castle The lowest that the Saracens have produced in terms of points in the last five years is 68 so
00:12:28
Speaker
And that was five years ago. And they had a rough year. They barely squeaked into the Premiership semi-final.
00:12:36
Speaker
So if you were to combine the two of those, they would barely squeak into relegation or squeak above relegation. Who who would get relegated beats the shit out of me. I don't know. You know, we're not quite there yet. But I think I think a real thumb in the eye to this is Saracen's are still in Champions Cup this year. Mm hmm. If if knock on wood. If they want it. Mm hmm. They would get a place. Ha.
00:13:06
Speaker
No matter what. That's funny. Either the sixth or the seventh finish team, whatever it would be, would get the boot. Ha. Because the winner of this and the winner of the challenge cup get a spot. OK. That's interesting. That would be a huge thumb in the eye. Plus. I don't know if that's something that's going to be possible, because there's obviously going to be a lot of mental stuff that goes into all this. So who knows? But here's the other thing, looking at it from the other direction.
00:13:33
Speaker
You just have a bunch of guys coming back from on a plane who are kind of depressed Right that might be like and so they're already upset about one thing and now you're gonna say oh by the way We're fucking with your club, too Yes, what do you think their response is gonna? You know I would assume that when they were on that plane. They're like yeah. You know what I need a rest We'll take this season. We'll do what we can we'll fill in here and there it'll be and it goes from that to
00:14:02
Speaker
I'm playing every match. I'm going to fucking take it to all these clubs. Yeah, like you you you're kind of changing the mindset there in such a way that that I think they'll they're not going to get relegated. Let's put it now. These guys are going to I'm not worried about relegation. I've seen some some helmet try and put up. I'm sorry. Can we just aside rugby pass? Stop posting so much sensational bullshit and so many headlines that are just full of absolute morons. Stop. Just stop. No more. Thank you.
00:14:31
Speaker
Anyway, I did see some idiot that said that because of their star-studded lineup This is why they're gonna get relegated I was like that's a little in the contradictory opinion and that's fine You I guess you need somebody but you know, it's like all right. You just you're you sound like an idiot. I'm sorry You don't sound smart. You sound like a moron Congratulations. Yeah Let's not be that
00:14:52
Speaker
Yeah, no, so I I firmly believe in this club. I will Myself as a art and saris and supporter for a little while now Um, you won't get me to take this badge off i'm still going to be a saris and supporter If it comes out that we that we've done gone fucked up real good. Okay, i'll eat it. Oh, yeah I'll eat it i'll take it i'll take it on the chin take the it's not it's not the worst but
00:15:16
Speaker
They got the players to they'll be all right, right i'm not too worried about that I think uh, if there was any year to to give them a rocket up their ass, uh That this was it right so, you know, it's um in you know the They're in a way. They're a victim of their own success because of their success. This is what this got brought up
00:15:38
Speaker
We'll see what happens. I think the boys will fight on. I mean, you can look at the team that they put out this weekend. We'll get to their game in a minute. That's still a pretty darn good team that they put out this weekend without a lot of bodies. So would it win Champions Cup? No. Would it make a playoff in Premiership? Probably.
00:15:55
Speaker
You know, so would certainly make six at the very least. So I think there's a lot to like there. So I think they're still pretty strong club and they'll still they'll find a way through this either way. But yeah, I'm definitely still I'm still back in the voice in black and you ain't going to get me to shake away just because of this bullshit now.
00:16:14
Speaker
Okay.
Third-Place Game Reflections
00:16:15
Speaker
So, um, enough of that. Let's get into, uh, I mean, geez, there were games that were big games as we attended. As a matter of fact, um, let's talk about the third place game real quick. Cause that was just kind of, that was just a lot of fun. That's what that was. That to me was kind of like a barbarians match. If anything, it was, uh, yeah, let's just have some fun, play some rugby, have some beers, celebrate our, our accomplishments. Agreed. Yeah. And then maybe have a couple of tears after the game, but then a lot of beer.
00:16:40
Speaker
Who who chopped the onions, man? Oh, too many people. A lot of way too many onions being chopped on that. Stop with the onions. Yeah. Steve Hanson couldn't I know that was that. You know what, though? I had so much credit to give him for that. He stood up there and there's so much emotion coming from the stands as soon as they ask, you know, you know, talk about your career. What do you think? And what the fuck do you say? And just it's been a privilege and then walk away perfect.
00:17:08
Speaker
Absolutely. You couldn't spit out more than that anyway. That's all he could get out when he got out was perfect. Well done to him. Kieran Reed. Watching him take it all in was amazing. Because he's like, I'm never seeing this again. This is it. And at least not in this shirt.
00:17:28
Speaker
No, definitely not. You know, he'll he might experience something like this depending on if he continues on. Right. And I mean, if he wants to go to Europe, he'll be a sought after, you know, peace for sure. Right. There was a lot in obviously.
00:17:43
Speaker
On the other side Alan when this is his this could be you may not see him in a well shirt again, right? So and I wouldn't be surprised I know he's he was asked the question and he was not willing to really give a give a hard answer And can't blame the guy, you know, it's that's a tough answer to just throw out there Especially if you haven't really processed it in your own brain So, but yeah, that was that was great on him Ryan Crotty walks away with a good one Sonny walks away with a good one
00:18:10
Speaker
Ben Smith walks away being fucking having a hat trick so close to a hat trick stolen Yeah, let it stand. Come on. No, it doesn't matter. Let it stand. Yeah, so that was yeah good Ben Smith such a class act. Yeah God World needs more players like him
00:18:29
Speaker
So guys like him and then obviously, you know, he didn't get to play in this game Unless I'm mistaken. Yeah Lee half penny. This will be his last go around for sure We'll see if Dan bigger is able to come back. He might be that old old war horse that makes it on the next on the next plane
00:18:45
Speaker
Um, we'll see Ken Owens. I will be very shocked. Although he's kind of that hard-headed idiot that might make the next team too. So we'll see. Um, but yeah, there was, you know, there's a lot of names and shout out to Josh Adams for sports seven tries on the world cup leading try score.
00:19:00
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know where really because he was nothing until the Six Nations came around and they picked him Yeah, and he plays his ass off in the Six Nations. He was already playing pretty damn well for Worcester Warriors. Now he's moved back back home across the pond there across the bridge. Excuse me Yeah, kids great. You gotta love them
00:19:22
Speaker
I certainly you know, I was backing him most of the tournament saying you gotta you gotta pick this kid. You gotta play this kid. He's He had a stormer most Like this was the most Welsh tries, you know single well cut top the the magician shame Williams Dude was a wizard he was say that But it was uh, that guy was Colby like Mm-hmm
00:19:50
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, more to the game, Joe Moody with a plan move that worked out beautifully. That was gorgeous. I'm not sure he planned on running that far, but it worked. No, I think they said like, yeah, that was planned for like inside the 22. Not that far out. It worked. It worked. Worked just the same. Dinkholes had to come off early. That sucked.
00:20:09
Speaker
Yeah, Liam Cole. I mean, good for Liam Cole to get a good run. I thought, was that tactical or was that a? He was bumming something, so I'm pretty sure that was definitely an injury.
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00:20:20
Speaker
Okay. So that was, he came off, Aaron Smith came off fairly early. Brad Weber still made an impact. I'll tell you, there's a lot of Scrumhalf talent in that freaking New Zealand locker. No shock there, obviously, with TJ Parinara.
00:20:32
Speaker
But you know, that's a that's a lot of scum half talent that go into that All Blacks team. Yeah. With Brad Weber as your third choice. Right. So Brad Weber, he was he was he had a pretty amazing World Cup himself. Yes. Even though in the little time he played. Yes. He was he was definitely somebody that you were just part of the try of the tour magic. Yeah. Very good stuff.
00:20:57
Speaker
Yeah, actually there's no there's not another item we should probably talk about before we get the permission, but we'll do it afterwards Yeah, that was that was just a it was a it was a great game for a third place game Wales put a little more open and you and I said said it if they played this open against South Africa that might be playing on Saturday and not Friday and Speaking of which
00:21:21
Speaker
Yeah, this was so and we talked about it like the selection and he kind of got here. He got a little handcuffed. I think if he had had the nuts to do it, he should if he was a good coach, he should have the nuts to make the change. And that was to make Ford the the finisher and put Farrell a 10 because this type of game was going to call for that if they could open it up. Yes, for it was obviously going to be a great option. But really, you probably needed to manage this game for the first 40 minutes at least and then bring him on.
00:21:51
Speaker
Yeah, they never even tried to open it up. So here's my thing too, is that you have, you know, if you bill yourself as, and we all know Eddie and his troubles with selections, so that aside.
00:22:07
Speaker
the one strength that eddie jones brings to the table that the one thing that nobody ever really questions is His ability to get his players in the mindset that he wants to get them in. Mm-hmm, right? He's that master manipulator master um I don't know what the fuck you call it just that he gets you know, he fucks with their minds but gets them where he needs them to be mental ninja
00:22:32
Speaker
Where was that? Like you saw Billy Vuna Pola throw away two balls on his own and I have no idea like early on in the match. They're setting stuff up. You could see them, you know, they ran a very familiar exit play with the eight pick and the 12 coming on. Yeah. I mean, to a laggy look into the 12 channel to take that run. And instead of giving it to two, he's like throwing it back at Ford and Ford's like, what the fuck is this ball coming at me for? Because this isn't what we do. This isn't what
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00:22:58
Speaker
we planned. What the fuck? And
00:23:01
Speaker
So it's and then he throws that that pass to his brother that his brother luckily had the radar to yeah, that's that old brother ESP right there, right and But social and then curry made a couple of boneheaded decisions and attack The ball and it's just like you guys are they're not like with a structure. It's not as though it was completely Crazy open play against New Zealand. They didn't just be like ah
00:23:27
Speaker
let's throw the ball around they didn't they had us there were structures in place there were there were there's a plan and there was no plan to play like that that same way no it that what they did early was the ah here take the ball because i don't want to deal with this right now
00:23:45
Speaker
Uh England just we're not ready for the moment. No, and that's I think they that's crypt You you just beat the share of the all blacks. How don't you why don't you just say you know what what we did there? Let's just do that again as far as discipline your your approach your your like because that's how you beat new zealand the way new that by being better than new zealand that the way new zealand beat south africa in game one
00:24:11
Speaker
Yeah, so the transit of property of rugby. Sure tried that. If you play that game, that'll beat South Africa. And they didn't even try. Even once they settle down, even once they calm down, they never really tried to open it up. I definitely found myself very baffled at the fact that they just couldn't get out of their own way.
00:24:34
Speaker
all the credit in the universe to South Africa. They put pressure on. They had their game down to a science. They knew what they wanted to do. Game definitely took a dark turn almost immediately with Kyle Sinclair having to leave the game for the whole thing.
00:24:53
Speaker
Dan Cole's coming on, and when Dan Cole's can't do what he's usually good at, and the South Africans can do it better than him, you know it's gonna be a long day. And they were outscrumming him, and it was just the work. So credit to the Springboks, and I couldn't put my finger on what the hell Dan Cole's
00:25:15
Speaker
new pre-match what knowing what England just decided to Just got into them. But yeah, whatever it was The two tries by South Africa, can we talk about how fucking gorgeous they were? Oh, it was glorious. I mean He had was it my pimpy and um
00:25:34
Speaker
Yep. Chasing each other. Chasing that ball. Yeah. Um, who's getting it first? Catch and pop. Like just great job. I'm at Pimpi to. Well, it was weird. Space. Hands from arm. Yeah, as well. Just, you know, he caught it and almost got rid of it as soon as he touched it. I think it was daily back there. Yeah. There was nothing for him to do. No. Except watch. But Pimpi. Try. Yeah. It's about all he could do.
00:25:55
Speaker
And then the turnover that they got the ball out to Colby. And unfortunately, you know, it was a one on three. But he decided I got this. But the three was Farrell, who's a very good defender in his own right.
00:26:16
Speaker
Oh shit, who was the other one? Marler was on the inside. Yeah, that doesn't care. And then I think it was Wunipola, Billy Trailing. I think it was the eight. Yeah. It may have been. I may be misremembering it could be Curry, too. Neither one. Neither one. They retired. Well, if Marler was on the field, it wasn't Mako.
00:26:32
Speaker
Right. No, no, it was no. Oh, yeah. No, I just couldn't remember if it was billy or or curry. Oh, okay at the time Um who was back there, but like Farrell had was in the right position in the exact right position, but marler just wasn't fast enough to cover the inside his inside Yeah, and and colbay saw that he's like i'm gonna beat this he didn't beat
00:26:55
Speaker
Um colby didn't beat Faz colby beat marley because if marler had moved himself over in the right position there was no way for for uh Farrell to or for for colby to escape farrell. It was just it wasn't gonna happen but because he had the inside there Um, and then yeah, whoever was the flanker an arm tackle. Yeah, whoever was behind him was was no Get back here shit. Yeah, i'm screwed. So yeah, that was um
00:27:22
Speaker
It was a great game plan from South Africa. They executed it to an absolute T. They did not screw around with it at all. I knew if this turned into a kicking of the points battle, Pollard would do well and he did. He missed the first one and then after that it didn't seem like he was going to miss again. He was pretty well locked in.
00:27:44
Speaker
The the other turning point was probably I think it was the penalty that Farrell missed that would have brought him within three and Then they and then they end and I thought they should have got just said, you know what? We they got I think it was yeah, I think they were down three. Mm-hmm They went for the tie and I was like take the game by the scruff of the net some point Yeah, this is the world. I didn't like you don't you're not gonna win this bike, you know You're not gonna win this by a score of 21 to 18 with no not with this not with these guys. I
00:28:14
Speaker
like there's gonna somebody's getting over for a try and whoever is going to score that first try is going to control the game and england just never decided to control the game no it was um it was it was a deserved victory for the south africans south africans get their the spring box get their third woke up having beat having beaten england in two of them um but they also beat uh journal loamoo all blacks and the other one um pinar was actually at the at the game we saw that we saw him uh so that was great
00:28:42
Speaker
Khaleesi's comments after the game were fantastic. What an awesome thing for him to be the captain to win this cup.
00:28:50
Speaker
And then to talk about what it means for South Africa to and put them first, not him or the team. He put his country first. And that's that's amazing. That's why he's captain. That is why he's captain. And that's and we talked about how he deserved it on the field, but clearly Razi Erasmus knew what he was doing off the field, too. And so credit to Razi Erasmus, you know, this is a guy that came in and, you know, South Africa were a little defeated after the last one. Obviously they lost to Japan. That hurt them pretty good.
00:29:19
Speaker
They were a drift. They were a little bit there. We see a couple teams that are like that out of this tournament. Ireland being one of them, Scotland being another, although that's kind of been known. Yeah. Just some teams that are kind of there, but kind of not. Australia is probably one of them too. Australia, yeah.
00:29:37
Speaker
And and that was that was but that's that's what you can if you get the right coach That's the turnaround that can be made. Yep. It was it was an amazing stuff South Africa win The post-match stuff but photographs were pretty darn hilarious If you didn't have a look go have a look lots of but lots of budgies getting thrown around. Yeah print What the hell's his name went into the locker room
00:30:00
Speaker
Andrew, was it Andrew? No, Prince Harry. Prince Harry, whatever, one of those jerks. Carson Wentz. Yeah, Carson Wentz. Yeah, so Prince Harry went into the locker room and did the classy thing, which was very nice. I thought that was a good move by him to go in there and congratulate them. At least they're Prince too. Yeah.
00:30:22
Speaker
But that was that was amazing stuff. And I'm very happy to see the guy. There's some guys on that team that I'm happy. You know, Vincent Koch obviously ends up having himself a worldly of a year with three winners medals like, you know, and he's all he's by all accounts a fantastic person on top of it. So good and good for him. I love to see it. South African take home the World Cup and they are going to be your defending champions going into France in twenty twenty three. USA for twenty twenty seven.
00:30:53
Speaker
Yeah, that would be fantastic. Might not be as good host as Japan, but we'd still be good hosts. No, oh god. Japan, thank you so much for an amazing tournament. This was without doubt the most popular tournament that has been hosted to date for many reasons, but a lot of it had to do with
00:31:12
Speaker
how much people enjoyed the tournament while they were there. And that's just the players, the fans too. They made it just great for everybody involved. So to the country of Japan, thank you so much for hosting a fantastic tournament.
00:31:28
Speaker
You can't say enough about it. It was just it was such a great tournament I was so we were so thrilled and blessed to watch this tournament unfold despite that it might not have gone the way that some of us wanted to in a lot of in a lot of Scenarios but still a wonderful tournament and you know, you're gonna be a hell of a show to beat in 2023 So I look forward to seeing how France can try and do that friends are excellent hosts
00:31:53
Speaker
They've had some goods and bads, so we'll find out. When you think of hospitality, you think of France. Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. I hope so. And then the following night, the World Rugby Awards happened. Joe Taffete was on the short list for the World Cup. Never going to win, but hey, it was cool to see him on there, you know, whatever.
00:32:17
Speaker
No, that's great. I mean, I'm not downplaying. No, I don't play it. It's it's you can't do it too much. It's a tremendous accomplishment. It's just it wasn't ever happening. Right. But it's great to get the recognition that because he had a fucking amazing year. Yeah, absolutely. And he's a he's still a.
00:32:33
Speaker
Fucking pain in the ass to stop. That's not changing anytime soon. He's not that old. So good on you, Joe. Obviously, as fellow Americans, we support the hell out of you, and we look forward to seeing what else you can do going forward. Hell yeah. Men's Player of the Year, Peter Steffetua, Emily Scarrett won the women's. Team of the Year for the men's, I thought,
00:32:56
Speaker
It was South Africa, which obviously it's really hard to ignore the World Cup champions, but I thought Japan should have won that. I really did. And I understand the choice because South Africa, again, are going through a lot of things in their own country. And to win this is such a huge thing for them as it was in 95 when they won, but still just
00:33:16
Speaker
For Japan to be in a knockout stage and to you know, really just establish themselves as like we should be a tier one team Yeah that that to me spoke with just a little bit more. It should it should be results Um factored in with potential and uh, and you know South Africa obviously had always had potential to win the world cup Japan nobody thought they had potential to be in the quarterfinal. No, not many um
00:33:41
Speaker
So it took to then they did a lot and they should like you said they should they belonged that was that was like it was a coming-out party for Japan big time rugby and That's that's something that they needed as a as a rugby union So it's a little hard done. But again to be on the stage. They deserve to be on the you know, yep No, yeah. Yeah, so it's hard to argue with South Africa
00:34:03
Speaker
Coach of the Year Erasmus, Young Play of the Year, Roman Intimac. The other nominee that was in that group was, there were two others, Kokonosinga and Herschel Yanchis. Really, I thought Yanchis or Intimac were both fine choices for that one. So that was pretty cool. Barnzy, Referee of the Year, duh. The award for care. We talked up the third place match by taking away Ben Smith's third try.
00:34:33
Speaker
Award for character goes to the city of Kamaishi, which was obviously hit by hurricanes and not hurricanes, earthquakes and, you know, tsunamis. And, you know, and they hosted it. They were a big, big host this year for for the World Cup. So that was that was cool to see. Try the year goes to TJ Parinara's.
00:34:53
Speaker
Try against Namibia, you know, not only for the play that led up to it because there was a lot of really pretty stuff that led up to it But his athleticism to finish that thing was amazing So well deserved. Right and the behind the back offload by from Weber. Yeah, I was absurd. Yeah, just absurd
00:35:10
Speaker
So yeah, so yeah, a lot a lot of the stuff was nail on the head pretty well. I certainly don't think you could argue for the women's Emily Scarrett. She's a wonderful player to watch and she turns things on a dime when she steps on the field. So oh, yeah. No, you're against that. Yeah, no. Emily's Garrett far and away. Yeah. Amazing rugby player. Yeah. Understatement of the day.
00:35:36
Speaker
Okay. Um, to the prom. Shit. I know we had more rugby. Um, we'll try and get through these. Did you end up watching any of the Bristol sale? Yeah, it was, there was, you know, the weather, you couldn't do anything with it. Um, great rugby other than that. It was just, you know, slippery pill. Yeah. Slippery old ball. Slippery everything. Uh, it just kind of went to shit. It was, they, they just couldn't quite finish. Um, but, but again, at least it was entertaining.
00:36:02
Speaker
Yeah, no, that was pretty our team for a 16-10. Yeah Beaumont had to play eight for a while. He actually looked pretty good back there like he was at home. I Know where your points from Harry Randall came from The try assist on Owen Lloyd. Yeah Lloyd getting over again. He is Maybe they just need to start up and see what I'm waiting for that. I think that's gonna be they're not two for two now Yeah, pretty good strike right hard to beat it
00:36:26
Speaker
Right, but it's it's hard to it's also kind of you know, it's hard to who you're gonna sit o'connor or pietao Um, you could probably sit more hand. Oh, yeah, that's true
00:36:38
Speaker
Yeah, you could set more ahead. You'd be good. Yeah, because he'll play wing. Yeah. He'll play wing. I thought the game for sale got a little bit better when our old friend, AJ, stepped on the field. He seemed to be a little bit more enthusiastic about getting the ball moved in different directions. And Robert de Priya seemed to be a little bit stuck in the mud. And also, AJ's boot is much more accurate than de Priya's in terms of going at Cole. Not to say that de Priya's a slouch, but AJ's a very good jolt kicker. Yeah.
00:37:06
Speaker
So yeah, Bristol down the sale of sharks who we thought was gonna be quite the monster 1610 so good for the bears big win for the bears
00:37:16
Speaker
The other Friday night game was very entertaining. Yes, it was. Northampton and Quinn's, mostly for the Northampton part. Yeah. They were just a machine. Yeah, this is a terrifying team. I am not looking forward to seeing what happens here. And the Quinn's are no slouches either. They had so many opportunities that they just cocked up. And obviously, some credit goes to the Northampton defense, but not a hell of a lot. There was a lot of unforced errors by the Quinn's.
00:37:44
Speaker
Inside they're there inside the scenes 22, but you know that there's a line out deliberate overthrow that led to a turnover What the fuck are you right on their fucking goal line? Why do you why you deliberately overthrowing? Did you not watch what happened with the overthrow last week? Yeah in the over those don't work. Well, I promise right, you know fucking What's his name? I already see if he can tell you about overthrows. Yeah, right
00:38:08
Speaker
Yeah, um, I mean talk about scary To kelly nyra voro, but get out of the way. Yes Get the fuck out the way tries a tri assist over 100 meters and only played 66 minutes Yeah, like and he didn't have that many carries either. That's a terrifying thought. No, he was like the anti-o flarity, which we'll get to later Yeah. Oh my goodness. So yeah, that's not somebody I mess around with
00:38:31
Speaker
Mikey Hay would get over, which was good after having a rough off season or a rough year last year. So that was really good and heartening to see. Tomorrow Harrison comes back with abandon and gets himself over. Rob Shaw got over.
00:38:48
Speaker
thought he was gonna get called back but they let it go so he was awarded a try I wouldn't say he got over yeah he was awarded a try yeah it was I mean quick thinking on his part yeah I'll give him that um so yeah but uh frosted tips
00:39:03
Speaker
Northampt didn't take it home 40 to 22 and they had a bonus point at like 20 minute mark, didn't they? Something like that. Yeah, something. Oh, they had a bonus point. First half, certainly. Yeah, first half bonus point for sure. So yeah, look out for the Northampt machine. 36, one, two.
00:39:20
Speaker
Yeah, it's 36 minutes. Yeah, and we talked about like they're they're attacking formation with the forwards one through three one with ribbons on one side and Harrison on the other I was like that's terrifying. Yeah, and not to mention that one of those guys is gonna be able to offload to Naira Boro. Yes, you Wash any of the wasp bath Did I
00:39:41
Speaker
No, I did not. Oh, I might have watched the first half. Okay. Well, we'll Roland's. Yeah. Roland's got over. Oh, no, I did watch. What a what a line from that guy. Yeah, that was well done. Lima soapwaga looks funny with that beard. And I also didn't recognize that it was him until I saw the shirt and it said 10 soapwaga. I'm like, that's a blogger. Yeah.
00:40:04
Speaker
Go the beard back, dude, please. You're more recognizable that way. I did watch this because I was happy with the try scorers because Shields got over. Yes. Roland's got over. And who else? One second. Mercer got over. Yeah. So it's like guys you wanted to see producing. I mean, Mercer. Mercer seems to be just a magnet to the try line lately. Yeah.
00:40:27
Speaker
Yeah, no, no Marcus Watson, because he was on a plane over to watch his brother, which is nice. So good on wasp, but that did happen. So awesome. I'm glad they made that happen. Dan Robson looked pretty good. Good to see Jimmy Goprath back. I'll say that, you know, he's had a rough, you know, 12, 15 months.
00:40:46
Speaker
had the knee and then he picked up a shoulder injury in the prem cup or in the preseason, I think it was prem cup, just wasn't going well. But he seems to have shaken it off. And I think the the loss will be better if he's in the lineup more often than not. So as long as I find spots.
00:41:04
Speaker
Tough day for Bath in terms of their scrum halves. They had to go with Ollie Fox. Yeah. Neither Cook nor Chudley were available. Right. So it was a tough day for them. But they- He did all right, Fox. Yeah, no, he didn't do bad. Yeah, hard to outperform Dan Robson, though. So he kind of had to do as best he could. Priestlin was pulling the strings as he does, but just the wasp just a little bit more.
00:41:31
Speaker
To and they were they were really hungry for the smash. They couldn't lose another one They really couldn't wash take care of business 30 to 20. I will say though one of that's the one thing I wanted to want to bring up that how The indignity of it all Brad shield scores his first premiership try And immediately gets replaced with Ashley Johnson. Oh, what is he doing? Let me just say this. What the hell is he doing is the back row replacement? He's a hooker replacement at best
00:41:55
Speaker
Die young get your finger out of your butt. Come on. I mean, they're they're you know, once they'll have some other But that's they're not if that's if that's their background replacement I yeah, I would be terrified if I was a loss supporter good Lord in heaven Did you get a chance to watch Lester Gloucester?
00:42:14
Speaker
I watched some of it. Yeah. It wasn't a classic, but it was. We were pondering what Ed Slater did to get minus whatever. Oh, yeah. Because he got a yellow and they couldn't play anymore. He did only play like two minutes. Rumor is that he may have broken his foot. Oh. Yeah. So he might be out for a little while. So keep that in mind. Yikes. Paludgery returns to the starting 15. Morgan, again, another guy that needs to
00:42:40
Speaker
Grow the beard back. I didn't recognize him without a beard. Although the red scrum cap helps me. It helps. Yeah, you kind of I don't even notice. Yeah, I didn't even notice. I was like, oh, that's the big guy with the scrum cap. Yeah, that's Morgan. Yeah. Um, Joe Simpson gets over again. When did the, when did this start happening? When did Joe Simpson start coming into tries? That's three, that's three and three matches. Three in the last two games. Being a Gloucester scrum half gets you score in tries.
00:43:02
Speaker
Pays off. Vyanu returned for last year, and he seemed to make an almost immediate impact. It was very clear that he was able to organize the back three for them a little bit better. But yeah, and Noel Reid has been serviceable. Yeah, not terrible. Not great. Not terrible. Since he joined this club.
00:43:24
Speaker
Lavonini got on the field for the first time in Lester's shirt that apparently doesn't speak a lick of English. I was like, oh, have fun because they barely speak English up there. Yeah. Good luck, kiddo. But yeah, so the the the final penalty I thought was a little bit meh, I thought.
00:43:42
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, no. Tempest kind of screwed this up. Yeah. Gloucester can definitely feel a begrudge. Yeah. A little bit here. 16 to 13. Lester, when, you know, really in the end, you probably just need to make sure that you weren't in that position if you're Gloucester and just maybe not be this close. Cipriani getting replaced at halftime was a curious decision. He's been playing like shit. No, he hasn't been playing especially well, but you know. Bad sips. Bad sips. Yeah, very bad.
00:44:09
Speaker
Um, but I mean, to run 12 trees, I know 12 trees can play 10, but he should be kind of your last option there, not your first. That's just my thought. Well, Cipriani is their first. Yeah. Well, next after that probably shouldn't be 12 trees either. Um, yeah. So the Tigers win 16-13 over Gloucester and they get their first win of the year. So no, no longer are there winless teams in the league. And a good one to get a win over too. That's that, you know, when they, I can't, I can imagine they, uh, penciled that in as a W when they, when they got the schedule. Probably not.
00:44:42
Speaker
16, 13 and the other game too. Saracens in London Irish. This was not pretty for a little while. The rain definitely did not help. And McCall did not like what he was seeing. No, you know, if he's showing as much as he showed in terms of emotion and frustration, he's very unhappy. I'm going to go hide in the back of the coach's box so that nobody can see how fucking angry. No, we all see it, Mark. Yeah, no, that's that's a rare thing from him. So and really the series had to pull this one out of the fire. They got the Ben Earl try.
00:45:12
Speaker
at 75 to make it 13 13 and then they got a Last-minute penalty from the end of being landed from men of their poll who had missed two already Yeah, I wasn't feeling super confident with that thing got blown up even though it was almost dead in center, right? We were we watched this together and and I think we were both were like go to the corner. What are you doing? Yeah
00:45:33
Speaker
They had the yellow so they had the yellow and it's like just yeah And they just made some odd decisions like that. Like you have the yellow on a prop Take the scrum. Yeah, something like that. You have you have you have Ben Earl back there I would trust better old to outrace Someone else a lot of guys on this team team for sure right and then the ones that can catch me probably bowl over and
00:45:56
Speaker
Right. And it seems like a pretty pretty simple thing to do. But both times they went for like that. They went for the line out and they went for the then they went for the kick at the end. So, you know, what the fuck am I now? They won. They won. So what are you going to do?
00:46:13
Speaker
Show us your TTS. He got TT less. I'm still he falls over the tries for his first one for a long while like three years I said I was like damn You know props go that much, you know, it's how it goes But yeah a little prop love for the for the tri score
00:46:29
Speaker
Tuosui from London Irish seemed to be causing a few problems here and there so he was definitely a pain in the butt. Good to see somebody filling the tent shirt that was named Steven Myler and not somebody else. Yeah, I enjoyed watching him play. I'd like to see more of Myler. Same. No, I didn't thought of me. Hunter Hill started this game of Sequoia, went to Bump to Six. I don't know if that was a necessity or if that was just something that
00:46:53
Speaker
They were kind of trying to screw with here. But yeah, it seemed to work out OK. Yeah, I don't think it was that bad, you know. So Saracens do win 16-13 over the Irish. Irish are kind of wondering what the hell is going to happen since they after they won. So we'll see if they can find another way to win. Apparently they're the guys that they've signed are on their way, though. So yeah, including some of the guys that probably could have been there already, but just haven't.
00:47:20
Speaker
Probably because they wanted a little time off. Yeah, they're from super rugby and all that stuff Just like what we're seeing yeah, we actually didn't talk about it, but Who is that from Rossing who's hasn't shown up again? We're only Nakarawa Nakarawa and although I did see that Fiji is incredibly difficult to manage to get around right now So there people are saying that maybe it's just he wants to spend time He hasn't had a chance really to spend time with his family because he like just to travel across the island takes it like a day or so
00:47:50
Speaker
So he wants to if he wants to see everybody and, you know, spend actual time with his family, he's going to take a little bit longer. So he might not just be walking out on them, although I kind of think they might have to serve it. Yeah, I'm not going to I'm I got no sympathy for the top 14 clubs, those owners for the most part are jerks. All right. So that's taking that box onto the next match. And then Worcester and Exeter, this fantastic game of rugby. God, I feel like that Worcester had this one pulled from them just a bit.
00:48:19
Speaker
Oh, they absolutely did. They had this. I did not like that Mills penalty that basically ended the game. You know, Nick White was going for the ball. He pulls out. And what Mills did was not, I mean, for the amount of side entry that doesn't get called, I've seen so much more egregious in from the side than that.
00:48:45
Speaker
So if it was that, that was a bad call. If it was, oh, Nick White was giving himself up and it was a tackle or a hit off the ball, that's bullshit because Mills had committed to that ruck and White still had his hands on the ball. It wasn't until he saw it coming that he's like, oh, I'm giving myself up. And it's like, no, too late, dude, you're getting hit. If you don't want to be in that position, don't put yourself in that position.
00:49:07
Speaker
So I did not like that. And to end the game like that is bad. Really painful way to end it. Right. Although at the same time, what was gorgeous to me is Wooster got Exeter out of their game.
00:49:23
Speaker
You know, the Exeter was, there was a lot of wide open rugby that Exeter was playing, which is a lot more than they normally do. I mean, it was their typical phase stuff, but it wasn't the type of phases that they liked to play. Right. It wasn't crash ball. It was a lot more like the way that the Japanese played against Ireland, a lot of, you know, through the centers, you know, every pass, every ball is coming through the centers rather than right off the nine or the 10.
00:49:49
Speaker
Um, that was excellent to see. And like, even, even on, um, the, the Wooster goal line or the Wooster tri-line, Exeter are, are, are, are going wide. They're not doing that pick and jam, pick and jam, like trying to, to force it over the line. They were going wide. They were trying to play rugby. There was a good like five, 10 minute stretch of just phase it after phase. Yeah. They, they put 20 odd phases together at some point, at least a couple of times.
00:50:16
Speaker
And it was wide open phases. It wasn't that I will say that's a little bit on the higher risk side when you get to like 20 odd phases and you have Gone you've done dick You know they scored off of it Go ahead try they did but man that was that was that was like 28 phases. I was like wow you were ballsy. Yeah, that was
00:50:36
Speaker
That was like the, what was it? Your classic hockey fight of two brawlers just throwing haymakers at each other. Throw, throw, throw, baby. Yeah. The Exeter are giving Wooster all they can handle, and Wooster are handling it. They're playing good defense against that. That was amazing. As much as the Exeter attack was in that sequence, the Wooster defense, I mean, it took a prop peeling it off of a tackle to score the try.
00:51:05
Speaker
She just just got lucky enough. Yeah, I mean that's sometimes those you just had that little bit and who was it who scored that one? Yeah, Harry Williams Yeah, yeah, and just the fucking stupid stupid penalty by what the fuck are you doing?
00:51:26
Speaker
You don't need to go into that like there's just too many stupid penalties like yeah, I that to me like maybe that's why the referee was a little hard on Mills because he's like You on that one. God, I can spit it out eventually. Yeah But great match that was a lot of fun. That was a good palate cleanser to close out the weekend
00:51:49
Speaker
Yeah, those are really really good stuff All right Let's do some start set Okay, let me get that. Let me get the heck out of here We'll skip over the top scores of the week. Although I will say there were a couple of repeat names the likes of priest Lynn Simpson Ben Earl. Yep. Definitely some repeat names will Stewart get back in there again. I
00:52:11
Speaker
Stewart he is yeah, he's a good he's a good guy to have I mean He's not expensive especially to know he's a great backup prop. I think I'm gonna end up I'm moving some guys around over this course of the season. Yeah jail dude Dupree gets gets his name in there in both formats as well all right start sit for the last week before we go into Europe
00:52:38
Speaker
You'll you might see some of the woke up bodies returning I don't know about that But I don't know how many but like something like I wouldn't be surprised if Singleton starts for this. Yeah, he's pretty fresh So yeah, there's those likes of that Let's start with sale awesome
00:52:58
Speaker
Hey, it's me. So this is pretty simple for Start Sit. The Wasps are last of the league giving up points to wings. They're bad against the second row. Flanker and Hooker too. Sail are the best defensive team in the premiership.
00:53:17
Speaker
The way that works out is for wasps. If you've got Roland's, he seems like he's back and his competition is thinning with Gaskell's injury. So Roland's is going to be playing for a little bit. You should have him, I think at this point now. He's still pretty cheap, isn't he? I think he's still pretty cheap. I don't have him, but that might change this weekend. I got a little spare cash. Yeah.
00:53:36
Speaker
And, um, and other than Roland's though, I would sit every wasp. I mean, unless your options are limited, if you have some, like some of their outside backs, you play them, just don't expect much, especially if the waiver wires did. Right. But if you've got, if you've got options that are non wasps, go with those for sale.
00:53:57
Speaker
The wings aren't doing well, even though the wasps are bad at wings. So I won't recommend any starters, but if you got one of them, start them. Especially in the FRD format. You could be in for something. For TRM, I would not go out of my way to buy a sail wing right now.
00:54:16
Speaker
Josh Beaumont is a pretty good option this week. We mentioned him earlier. You mentioned him earlier. I would also start Jean-Luc Dupri, John Arras, or Ben Curry, if he's playing. Van der Murwe, if you've got him, he's 189k. He's not terrible for the cost. He seems like he's the main guy this year. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, very good. Yeah, that'll be good.
00:54:42
Speaker
I'm sorry. I didn't do this yet. Oh, yes. Sorry. I just blew her by that wasps are giving up nothing to centers wings and fullbacks So I'd park JVR Sam James and red path in every format pine Daniel Dupree and Hammersley
00:55:02
Speaker
I'm down good. Okay. Just double checking. So Bath and Saints. So for Bath, you have some guys that are just automatics, like I got to play on like Mercer and Ruck and Naguni are probably falling under that category. Whatever Bath prop starts, start them. They'll be worth it. Saints are not great against front rows. It's like one of the areas, one of the few areas that they're giving up at points.
00:55:26
Speaker
So yeah, even like Christian Judge, go for it. Their hookers are actually probably not somebody you want to mess with, though. Done, eh. And you can probably pine the bath front row this week. Saints front row are actually not giving up a lot of points. If you can get away from Priestland in both formats, do it. Chudleys might be worth a start in TRM, but if you can get away from it in draft. I assume, I think it was just a concussion, so.
00:55:54
Speaker
Nothing important. Yeah, Roberts is a big old tease, sit him. Tom Homer, the back three are not getting a lot against Saints. So Tom Homer and the likes, and anybody not named Rockin' the Gooney, you're going to sit him. And Charlie Yule's pine him, pine the second rose for Bath.
00:56:15
Speaker
Saints Automatic starts Nairovaro Hutchinson, Tamara Harrison's in that range right now for me James Grayson as long as he's the 10 probably in that range for me as well So go ahead feel good about that Bath are surrendering a ton of points all over the park to fancy teams. So Collins ribbons Alex Waller Waller Henry Taylor Franks Owen Franks not been
00:56:42
Speaker
To all of fur bank Yeah, if you get if you got a sink prop on your roster you in they start you might might be we're starting them this week start the Saints front row Start and start whatever hooker plays for the Saints Frazier dingwall if he gets in the lineup good Gloucester versus Sarries
00:57:03
Speaker
This is going to be a big game. It's a tough old game. As far as fantasy is concerned, the salaries are at the bottom half of the league against centers and not all that great against wings. Here's an interesting note.
00:57:17
Speaker
The Saracens are the last in points against to fly halves in TRM, but they're fifth in FRD. Yeah, it doesn't always translate. Well, because it's kicking. It's a lot of the kicking points that the other fly halves have to do, where you get points in TRM, you don't get points for kicks. Kick meters. Right, for territorial kicks in FRD. So I think that's where the disconnect is.
00:57:44
Speaker
Gloucester giving up points to wings and fullbacks and flankers, but not eight men or second rows, which is interesting. So flankers, not eight men. They give up points to fly halves, but Sarries don't really have any point scoring fly half options right now. Yeah, so don't worry about it. So for Gloucester, Atkinson and 12 trees are pretty good options and Thorley too.
00:58:02
Speaker
uh because saris aren't doing great against wings um for sits uh Cipriani sit him until he doesn't suck anymore um take the week seriously take the week where he's good again and have him on your bench for that it's one of these like wait till he he shows you and then then then throw him in there right um
00:58:24
Speaker
Also Ludlow Creel and Ackerman and Morgan because the Sarries are doing well against those loose forwards that that don't expect much out of them Yes, talk to pine number. It's gonna be tough. It's really like close your eyes and hope. Yeah The Sarries keep starting Ben Earl until he doesn't deserve it anymore. So the opposite of Cipriani wait till Ben shows you that he's not that guy anymore. Oh
00:58:44
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And he will have a match where he doesn't score points, but then he's going to go right back to scoring points again. So be prepared for that. If he gets two in a row that aren't any good, then maybe think about pining him. Gloucester give up some points to wings and fullbacks. So Maitland and Gallagher are pretty advertising for this one. Lewington or Sagan only in FRD.
00:59:04
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, um for the sari sits, uh, will skeleton and jackson ray. Um, Gloucester are shutting down second rows and flankers, but not eight men. Um, because Earl is kind of the dual flanker eight man and Ray, Ray is the same thing, but Earl is the attacking. He's getting the attacking option. So, so he's, that's why I would go with the, uh, yeah, start Earl sit Jackson and skeleton, because I'm sure lots of you have him out there. I think this is a week to,
00:59:33
Speaker
to sit him down and start someone else. Yep. Yeah, we'll see how Gloucester does without Ed Slater. Yeah. Yeah, that could change things, actually, with a Slater injury. Yeah, keep an eye on that. Yeah. Quins and Wusta. There's no automatic starts in Quins right now. And it pains me to say that because I wish Donald Brandt was, but he's not doing it. Start him in TRM if you want, but pie him in FRD. Opposite of that for Joe Marshunt.
01:00:02
Speaker
But Wooster are surrendering some points, so you can find them in the back line mostly. Marcus Smith, Ibitoye, whichever Scrum half plays, whether it's Landaho or Care. Mike Brown if he's back. So that's a good spot. Their props aren't scoring. The props against Wooster aren't scoring anything, so don't do that. The Hookers are doing fine though, so go ahead and play Scott Baldwin, assuming he's the one starting. You can start this Quinn's Front Row if you have him. Simmons and Rob Shaw.
01:00:32
Speaker
In the back five there for of the scrum go ahead and roll them out there as well Worcester Automatic starts if they're in the lineup who guard Ted Hill don't even blink don't even don't even hesitate do it Pine Ryan Ryan Mills this week Duncan Weir gotta play him. He's done it million in nine I need to see it now. I've had faith in him for a while. I'm backing off on it Start any of the Worcester props if you dare
01:01:02
Speaker
Pinell's probably a pine this week, although I know he just had a decent week. Sam Lewis, I don't know if he's going to be healthy. Yeah, he might not be healthy. So, yeah. Nylundet's bordering on an automatic start right now in terms of TRM, but you should start him this week, especially. Bresler and Momma are both starts in TRM, but not in draft. And then Fadiilova's a pine, and Pine, the Worcester front row.
01:01:28
Speaker
Oh, they, you know, we come to the, the, well, for me save the best for last easily going to be the, the most exciting game of the weekend, London Irish versus Lester. Oh, I can't fucking wait for this one. You're going to turn this TV game off. So Jared, just for next week, I didn't watch this much.
01:01:50
Speaker
London Irish versus Leicester both these teams are giving up a lot of points They are nine and ten in points against overall in the rugby magazine ten and eleven in FRD. So Yeah, they give up a lot of point. How is that gonna work?
01:02:05
Speaker
Well, yeah, it's going to be a matter of which team gets ahold of it, I suppose. Right. So Lester specializing giving up points to centers, scrumheaves, and flankers. They were the worst in all three. They're also bad against hookers, too. They do OK against fly-heaves in second rows.
01:02:21
Speaker
The Irish give up points to hookers and props, flankers, eight men, centers, and wings. They shut down second rows and fly-hats. That's weird that they're really are... Yeah, they're mashed up like that. So for the Irish, Rona could have more of an impact this week, and Blair Cowan should be in for a big performance for the Irish. He'll do well. I'm sorry? He'll do well. Yeah.
01:02:44
Speaker
Um, for the Irish sit Voldemort, uh, that he who shall not be named, um, and both, uh, because, uh, yes, because again, the Lester will shut down the second rose. Um, for Lester, uh, Jonah Holmes, if you got him, yep. Uh, Lester front row and FRD, uh, they're, they're, they're good option this week. Um, and I'm sorry. Nice.
01:03:06
Speaker
and start Guy Thompson and Cione Calamafoni as far as sits for Lester, Callum Green and Sam Harrison. Sit him down. So I'm assuming Sam's going to be starting nine if it's not to sit the other nine. I mean, I like personally, I like Ben White better as a player. And even if White's playing, sit him. Yeah, just pie him for this case. And then.
01:03:32
Speaker
Pardon me the Sunday match Exeter Bristol is actually this actually should be pretty good fun So this a few auto starts that are on the Exeter for me right now Yandell Sam Simmons kovastic if he's playing Johnny Hill is now Managed himself into an auto start who the fuck knew right in both formats He didn't even give her the line and he had a good day. Yeah, you still had a decent day
01:03:55
Speaker
Joe Simmons is worth a start in Draft, but probably not in TRM armored if he's alive He's probably worth a start in both formats Dennis the Dave Dennis is a no either way The scrum half is a no either way whether it's Monda or white. Yeah, of course Jack monitor picks this week where I drop him to wake up It's like oh now you pull it
01:04:18
Speaker
Finger out of your ass. Come on, dude Stewart hog start him. I know he's been a little bit disappointing He's probably an expensive guy for you right now, but start him the props Don't go near him right now. Bristol are actually doing a really good job against front rows Vermeulan is worth a start. He's actually doing pretty well as long as he's playing a flirty. I said no Dave yours
01:04:40
Speaker
You can start them if you have them. Get away from them if you can in TRM, but you might not have a choice in draft. And then pine the chief's front row. And then for Bristol, there's a couple auto-starts here. I wish I could say it's Terry Thacker, but I can't right now. He's not performing. But Pia Tao is definitely an automatic go. I'll give the thumbs up to Hughes as well as an automatic. He should be somebody that you start, no problem. Start the Bristol front row.
01:05:09
Speaker
O'Connor or you can the centers just don't don't touch them Exit or just clog in that middle even though their centers aren't fantastic. They also aren't letting anything through either scrum half. Nope She you might not have a choice in in draft but TRM you can probably start them and then lua tua you're gonna sit them and
01:05:35
Speaker
A full way you can actually start, you know, you probably paid a lot for him. So start him and then Vui Go ahead. He's a he's a not a bad price and he'll produce pretty darn well for you Yeah, Bristol are one of the tougher teams in in fancy bowl in both formats right now. So Makes for some tough calls for the for an Exeter team that do have some good options. Just not not the favorite ones. I
01:05:59
Speaker
Yeah. Can we talk? So one thing I wanted to bring up, you mentioned a clarity there. Yeah. So this past year, I felt like his name was being called a lot this last week. I wanted to get back into this.
01:06:11
Speaker
He had 34 meters on 12 runs. He touched about 12 times and did jack shit every single time he got it. That was a... Not good average meters per touch on that one. Right, so he's one who... Leaving a lot of opportunities out there, that guy. Yeah, getting a lot of opportunity right now with guys gone, so...
01:06:31
Speaker
and not doing a whole lot with it. Kind of showing why he doesn't start out. Yeah, why he usually doesn't like it. They have better options. Yeah. Yeah. All right. To the Pickham. Just prime this week, man. It's weird. It's weird. It's going to be lonely. Bring me back. Yeah. All right. So sale and wasps Friday night sale at the AJ Bell. This is not a friendly ground to walk into by any means whatsoever, especially on a Friday night where everybody's going to be
01:07:01
Speaker
half in the piss, although if they're, especially if they're drinking, I sent you that picture of that mug, that like, send me, I want one of those if we go to England. I'm going to be drinking out of those. That's basically what it was. Just got somebody who's just drinking out of a pitcher. I was like, is this a thing over there? Cause I want to be a part of it. Back to the game. I am going to pick the black and yellow team. Oh,
01:07:26
Speaker
Oh wait, I'm sorry, did I open my, I opened my face and said the wrong thing. Sharks. Geez, they're at home. I was just talking them up and I go and do that. I must be ill. There's something wrong here.
01:07:40
Speaker
Yeah, if my if my my voice sounds funny then I haven't been well the last couple days But I got off my ass for you all so you're welcome Bath and Northampton bath at home Northampton are on a hot streak. Yeah, I'm not picking against Northampton. Yeah, I'm gonna go with the Saints until I see him lose basically Gloucester
01:08:03
Speaker
Saracens at the King's home. This is not a place that the Saracens have as a happy hunting ground. So if I'm picking with my brain, I'm going to say the cherry and whites, unfortunately. Yeah, I'm kind of going that leaning in that direction, too. I'm going to go with Gloucester because they're. It depends. I mean, I don't know if we're going to get the result of the of the appeal this week. It might take a little bit. I think it's going to take a couple weeks. Then I think Sarri and the Sarri's are still waiting for the reinforcements to arrive. The cavalry is coming. It's just not here yet. It won't happen this week, unfortunately. It happened for Europe.
01:08:32
Speaker
And I just don't think they're good enough right now because of how good Gloucester is right now. If it was a lot of other teams outside of Northampton, maybe Exeter, I'd give them a shot. Even Bristol, I'd give them a shot against. I think Gloucester is too quality right now.
01:08:52
Speaker
Yeah, and they're coming off of a loss to to Lester That's not it. You know, they're both listening. Yeah big time. It's gonna be two Rockets up two teams asses and I think Gloucester's out of town. Yeah Gloucester just has the talent I'm not I'm not going against that back row Quinn's and Worcester at the stoop Yo, this is a tough one
01:09:15
Speaker
I think Worcester are going to feel a little hard done. And... The Quins didn't put up a good show. The Quins did not put up a good show. They played all right, but... They put up a very Worcester show. Worcester put a great show. No, I mean, but the Quins had the good showing they just couldn't finish, like Worcester did last year. Yeah. So it's almost like a mirror image of each other. Yeah, a little bit. So I'm going to go with the home team. Yeah, that's the only thing that's got me leaning into the Quins. So I guess that's what I'm going to roll with.
01:09:43
Speaker
Irish and Lester. Fuck you. What are you going with? No. Where are you going? None. Both lose. It's a draw. I'm going for a draw.
Will Lester Win the Match?
01:09:52
Speaker
Atomic bomb. No, don't do that. That's not nice. Lester is going to win this. OK. Yeah, I need to see the Irish before I pick them again because they won that first game, which was great. But it was against once. Yeah, they've lit a complete. It's just been a huge duck since then. So I don't think I can pick them again.
Exeter vs Bristol Match Analysis
01:10:11
Speaker
So, yeah. And then Exeter Bristol, this should be entertaining. This will be entertaining. Right now, neutral site. Yeah. The Bears are the better team. I would be hard pressed to argue against you. But it's not a neutral site. Right. It's at Sandy Park. Sandy Park is. That's their fortress. Not the easiest place to go in and win. No. Agreed.
01:10:41
Speaker
Yeah, I gotta, I gotta pick based on the fact that they got pushed up against the wall last match away from home and still found a way to pull it out of the fire. I have to go with the chiefs. I'm going to take Bristol and take the bears. I'm going to, I'm going to, they still need to put, you know, they put it against a pretty signature performance in the first week. Yeah. It's kind of been.
01:11:03
Speaker
Yeah, still waiting for the part of KDR up to this point. OK, since then.
Bears' Future & Match Importance
01:11:09
Speaker
I think that they need something, you know, and last week was still they won, but it was kind of a little bit more of a fight than I think it could have been. Yeah, no, that could have been a slightly better match. I think that.
01:11:22
Speaker
Uh, I think they have the juice to take this one. So I'm going to, I'm going to see, this is my kind of my, um, this will answer a lot of questions about the bears this match. Oh, yes, absolutely. I can totally agree with that. For now, I'm thinking I'm going to back them. I want to see them take this one. I'm not saying I don't want them to, but what I'm saying is I don't know how they do it. That's the only thing. Okay.
01:11:44
Speaker
Well, there was lots of intake there, but we actually did a much better job this time
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01:11:49
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01:12:09
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01:12:19
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01:12:33
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