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S2 Ep104: Talkcast - May
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Join Dave and Jake as they talk about news, what we've been eating, what we've been up to, and upcoming plans in this week's episode!
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Transcript
Introductions
00:00:32
Speaker
How's it going, everyone? Welcome to another episode of Soapstone. My name is Jake. I'm joined by my co-host, as always, Dave. How's it going, Dave? Surreal. Yeah, gonna go with surreal. It was pretty surreal.
00:00:47
Speaker
Sir, is this real? No. Can I have a real one, please? If you have one in the back, that'd be great. Thanks. Oh man. I figured out, oops, I got, how dare you interrupt me. I talked at the same time. Yeah, interrupting me anyway.
Socially Distanced Experiences
00:01:06
Speaker
So yesterday I did want to, I want to share something exciting, not, not majorly exciting, just, uh, something cool in my eyes.
00:01:15
Speaker
Sure. It's changed me forever. So yesterday I actually got together with a friend. We had like a social distance walk in a park. We were two of like
00:01:29
Speaker
five people wearing masks out of like the probably 50 people I saw at the park that day. So that was reassuring. But it was just really good to like catch up and hang out. Then we also had like a socially distanced meal out on the back porch. We had a beer in a Semitos Poblana, which is a Spanish sandwich that you're going to take a nap afterwards.
00:01:51
Speaker
This is really good to see outside of my little bubble for a little bit with a good friend. Yeah. Because I haven't had that in a long time. I was just waiting for the story to progress to more and more socially distance activities. The socially distance intercourse is probably the most intense. The intercourse was the word I was thinking too. I was like, this is the best word to use here.
00:02:18
Speaker
You're like, what if I ever use this yardstick and these sex toys? Boy, I'll tell you. Oh, man. No, that does sound pretty good. It's not, I guess, as bad for me because I'm socially distanced with another person, like two people in the household.
00:02:37
Speaker
which makes it more manageable, I think, as opposed to just like, am I alone in the universe?
Quarantine Adjustments
00:02:44
Speaker
Which is normally, you know, I start with that, but I work away from it as the day goes on.
00:02:50
Speaker
So it's not, and I'm also just like a homebody, as you know. It's like society was like, oh, this sucks that we have to stay inside all the time. And I'm just like, wait, what's going on? Something's changing. But yeah, it's definitely still pretty surreal. I am.
Sandwich Showdown: Primo's vs. Subway
00:03:14
Speaker
I guess going into our long running segment, quarantine cuisine. I had primos delivered for lunch today. Oh, you son of a bitch. I know. Yeah, it was if it makes you feel any better. It was far more expensive than it should have been to get delivery for door. Yeah, they charge a fuck ton.
00:03:35
Speaker
also the listeners who don't live adjacent to a primos you want to share what that is briefly oh yeah i started to take a sip because i thought you were going into the explanation i can't explain if you want to step oh yeah no go for it nit your bev uh so primos is a hoagie shop near us in pennsylvania i'm sure they have some other locations
00:03:52
Speaker
But they don't fuck around with their ingredients. They're actually good. It's just like a well put together hoagie. But like every time I've gone, it's been pretty amazing. Yeah. So like really solid. Because I know a lot of places would be like, we do Italian stuff. Then they give you a sandwich or a hoagie or a wrap and you're like, nah, nah, not so much.
00:04:18
Speaker
I think it's like it's telling that we could go there, pick up hoagies and then go back to eat them somewhere else or go to the office or do whatever. And it was always the same quality. I think picking up food from Subway and then bringing it back, like it drops off in quality really dramatically. You give it two minutes and the whatever red sauces with your meatballs is kind of burned through the bottom of your bread. Yeah. Yeah. I get that.
00:04:46
Speaker
But I got the mild sharp for myself. And Mrs. Mango got the meatball and provolone. And she just does not like that variety from Subway at all. Anytime I've suggested Subway in the list of options, she's just like, if you want. And I'm like, I know, I know. We are never going to Willy. She's like, I'm not starting to fight, but these are the worst sandwiches.
00:05:16
Speaker
Pretty much. Um, but she actually really enjoyed it. So quality stuff. Friend of the show, Primo Hoggis.
00:05:24
Speaker
I was thinking to say Mrs. Mango. I was like, no. I'll take public primo's business. But no, it's good. What did you go out and eat when you had your social distancing experience? We ordered the Semitas Pablanas sandwiches. Right. You said that, and my brain was like, that's not a word.
00:05:47
Speaker
Oh, you could have just written a podcast. English. Yo soy sandwich. Si, verdade. No, it is this between, I guess, like a pretty standard roll, a little bit bigger than you'd seem like most hamburgers come in. But if you go to like a restaurant hamburger, that size of roll,
00:06:09
Speaker
And then in that are like smoked red chilies, avocado, some type of meat, depending what you picked. I went with the gyro variety. So probably some form of lamb slash pork because gyro is kind of a generic term when you order sandwiches.
00:06:31
Speaker
It's important to clarify some type of meat is actually just a choice of meat. It's not an unidentifiable type of meat. I feel like I'd like a sandwich to hold on while we spin the wheel. You've landed in two. Spam. Ooh. Tough long fork. Yeah, long fork.
00:06:52
Speaker
Oh man. Like some cheese and some other stuff and like refried beans, but it's all very packed and then it's wrapped in paper and then foil, partially to keep the heat in as it's being transported and also for you to hold that shit together as you're eating it might make a huge mess. But it's just so flavorful and very filling. Between that and a beer and chips and guac, I felt terrible afterwards, but in the moment it was grand.
00:07:22
Speaker
Yeah. That's life. Terrible afterwards. I like how you're smiling looking off in the distance like, ah, that's life. These are one of the cool fastest of being a human being. Oh, those sandwiches. Yeah. Oh, those sandwiches. Those crazy sandwiches.
00:07:43
Speaker
I've been wanting to cook something at some point again, make some variety of sandwich, just come up with something where I spend way too much time and money on ingredients for like an idea to think that might not be shit and then have it be okay. Yeah.
00:08:02
Speaker
But maybe I'll lock out and it'll be so amazing. Like next party I have in two years and invite people over and make this. Yeah. Hopefully it doesn't take two years. It's going to be that epic of a party, Jake. Okay. Yeah. Plans are in the works. You don't even know. Oh man. I guess two years, two years and some change. A lot of change. Okay. Five months of change. You'd have the Halloween party, right? Two years.
00:08:29
Speaker
One year from now. I don't know how time works. We recorded this in January on the back log. Now there's, it's going to be fun to meet with people though. Eat food, start a plan parties again.
Post-Quarantine Social Dynamics
00:08:45
Speaker
Do you think your first social outing, your first coming out party, if you will, do you think it's going to make a huge difference for you for how you interact with people? No, like you said, you're more of a homebody and you're not antisocial, but you're very much an introvert. Yes. And you feel less of the need to go out and do things where I'm like, I'm so fucking lonely. Please let me interact with people. And that kind of like keeps me going. I still appreciate the downtime, but
00:09:11
Speaker
Yeah, I think, um, I think for me, I probably, I don't have, there's not a huge difference between like online evening socialization and, um, in-person, you know, get togethers with larger groups and stuff like that. Besides the in-person ones are just magnified. They're just that a lot. So more draining, more immediately fulfilling. Um, but I don't feel like deprived.
00:09:42
Speaker
right now to steal the term from Dark Souls. And I think, I don't know, it's been going all right for us, but it was nice to have like, you know, board game parties, things like that occasionally.
Pre-Quarantine Nostalgia: Board Game Nights
00:09:59
Speaker
Yeah, let's cherish those. I miss just bullshitting with people. We're gonna just hang out. Because there's a certain thing about being with somebody where you interact differently than you would online. Like last time we did board game stuff, Ian came down, AJ was there. I don't think Landon showed up, right?
00:10:24
Speaker
within like five minutes, we're like breaking each other's balls, cracking dumb jokes, making food plans. Um, and it's a lot easier to have that, that back and forth in person. Yeah. I think a lot of it probably comes down to just
00:10:41
Speaker
like attention in person, it's just really so much easier to get and to give people your full attention and just be more cognizant of everything that's going on. When you're online, it's much harder to have someone's attention entirely. As someone who runs D&D online, like through Discord, it's, you know, it's harder to give and receive attention 100%.
00:11:08
Speaker
And I don't know if it's a generational thing or not because I remember like my parents, if they were like using text messaging or something, they were just watching the IAM screen waiting for the message.
00:11:24
Speaker
type of response, however long that takes, send it, wait for the message, and I never do that. I'm always just like, and gone as soon as I've sent a message or sometimes received it. Yeah, you really garbage at that. I'll send you things and then not hear back.
00:11:42
Speaker
Um, but I mean, back in the day, I felt like it was very much like how your parents were for the days of AWO instant messenger. Um, cause mainly this is like my first online interact with people and like you'd add a friend or somebody know from school and then you like, you'd see those dots. You're like, it's coming. A message is coming. And it was really exciting to get that communication from somebody. Cause I don't think I really had,
00:12:10
Speaker
probably had texting at around the same point, probably a little bit later. Um, but more often than not, it was like one girl who was like friendly enough in class. And I'm like, she's cute. She's talking to me. I'm going to wait for this, which in nowadays terms is called simping. Is that correct? I don't know. But I just remember being like a very exciting time to like have a message come in. Yeah.
00:12:37
Speaker
Do you remember the sensation of watching like those dots of the person that you had some interest in sending you a message and then it stops because they stopped typing the message and then there's a pause and you're like, Oh no. Oh, they back to, they deleted their whole fucking message. They don't want to talk to me. They're going to tell me off, but they don't want to have the guts. They're ghost to me. That's what's happening, right? Then the dots come back here. Go. Thank God. Yeah. You had this little emotional roller coaster.
The 'Simping' Debate
00:13:25
Speaker
So the other day I was telling Dave, Dave, I've got some feelings. I'm like, what are those? What are those? So according to Urban Dictionary, simping is a male overly catering to the exaggerated emotions of a woman. That seems like a pretty loaded definition, but it's a loaded term. I want to occasionally like to pepper in current terms that I don't really keep up with. Because as soon as you graduate college, you're like, I'm not going to really
00:13:35
Speaker
I'm glad I'm more emotionally developed now to at least recognize where I'm deficient.
00:13:54
Speaker
keep up with this lingo. Cause I feel like I was talking, keep saying like, oof. When I was talking to people after I had graduated college, these terms came up and I had never heard of them. I know what they mean for the most part, but they're not in my vernacular. They're not in my day to day. Yeah. It's what the kids say.
00:14:18
Speaker
Vernacular? No, that's what we say. I think kids don't use that word. I think kids these days are using a repertoire. Oh yeah, repertoire. That's a pretty good one. Report EA? That's what they do in Dota. Report EA. I don't think there's an EA.
00:14:42
Speaker
Um, not that I'm thinking of. Under apparition? Apparition, yeah. It doesn't quite work. Earth abomination. No, that's me. Get in the game. Or what was it? Challenge everything. There you go. Well, they changed it. Yeah. Challenge everything, I think, was like Madden PS2 days. It was pretty old, yeah.
00:15:09
Speaker
Huh. Yeah, they've been around. Yeah. Demand the Activision. I really only remember them back from the days of... Hmm. I think like the Nightfire games, I guess the James Bond games, like Nightfire. Not GoldenEye, that would have been older. Agent Under Fire. I think we're still in that PS2 era. Yeah, GoldenEye was rare. Like, and Nintendo. Huh. I never played it, but I also don't want to.
00:15:40
Speaker
Nah, I mean that's fair. If you were to play GoldenEye now, I'd probably just play like the Steam remake. I'm pretty sure it's just on Steam for free as like a Half-Life mod or something.
00:15:52
Speaker
There's really no reason to try to bust out a 64 for it. Didn't have the greatest control scheme. I do miss some of the older shooters were like, you'd have a couple of friends over and you had the split screen and you were just like sitting on your couch and, uh, looking at where people were because it was kind of unavoidable. Yeah. And then shooting, getting a little mini tanks or helicopters, just having these grudge matches and you'd play for hours doing the same shit.
00:16:22
Speaker
I think there's something to be said for playing with and against just your local friend group, as opposed to bringing in the entire world. Cause, um, that really changes the quality of matches to a certain extent, even if you're toxic with your friends. I mean, that's, it's different than, well, it was nice to shit talk and have something over your friend. And then if they got the better of you, they could do the same back to you. So it was an ongoing rivalry. Right.
00:16:52
Speaker
I know I've shared with you and probably mentioned on here, I loved having a Astaroth grudge match in Soul Calibur with my friend Chad, I think specifically in Soul Calibur 3.
Smash Bros Rivalry
00:17:03
Speaker
But basically, he was really good with that character and I was playing something edgy like Nightmare. And then he kicked my ass enough where I was like,
00:17:11
Speaker
All right. And then as soon as he left, I started playing that character a lot. So the next time we played, I picked Ash off as well. And he's like, well, you play Ash. I was like, well, we'll see. Well, I figure I'll give him a shot. You know, for one game in there. Did you both have the game or is it just you? Were you the host? I think he had a copy as well. But usually I was host.
00:17:40
Speaker
I think we had good controllers. I don't think he got mad cats or anything like that. I didn't mad cats and that would have been me. He gave him like two chopsticks and a rubber band. But in the same way, I really like our.
00:17:57
Speaker
I wouldn't call them grudge matches, but after we record, we're always going to play Smash. Yeah. And we have certain matches that we do and certain characters that I'll play. But occasionally, if you get really good streaks on Byleth, I'll pick up a new fucking person just to throw you off. And that's the only reason I do it. It's Feaster, fam, and I tell you, man, sometimes I'm just like, man, I feel kind of bad because I just destroyed today with Byleth.
00:18:24
Speaker
And then other times I'm like, man, I feel really bad because I just got destroyed today on Violet. It's freaking tough. I just like that back and forth though. Yeah, that is fun. You never know how it's going to go because.
00:18:40
Speaker
I'm just that inconsistent equivalent skill levels. I mean, I'm probably inconsistent in the same way as well. I'm incontinent. So I mean, you know, there's problems really. I mean, I feel like we're all in the continent. Sea faring Jake over here. I am a sovereign nation unto myself. Um, yeah, now it is fun though.
00:19:08
Speaker
What's unfortunate is that not everybody else will be able to partake of the smash. What I love, like, so we're on the video camera. Uh-huh. The video camera. Right, that's what the kids call it. I didn't even need to see you though. I just heard your intonation. I'm like, this is a Jake segue verbatim. This is a Jake segue. Uh-huh. No, I think if ever I learn to weave
00:19:36
Speaker
a segue in with natural communication. I'll have failed myself as a human being. It's like I'll have reached the improper state of being, but don't ever change. I just like noticing it.
Evo 2020 Controversy: Smash Bros Exclusion
00:19:48
Speaker
That's all. So anyways, this bullet point was Evo 2020, which is a for the unaffiliated. I guess most people are unaffiliated, unacquainted, acquainted, uninitiated, unacquainted, uninitiated. I like, I like uninitiated for the uninitiates.
00:20:07
Speaker
Evo is a fighting game tournament. It's probably the fighting game tournament, really. And I really haven't cared about fighting game tournaments for a long time because I'm a filthy casual. But since playing Smash, I was like, oh, man, you know, some of these names I know. And there's been a lot more interest there. Back in January, they announced the games that would be included therein.
00:20:32
Speaker
Uh, and this was before we realized how, uh, socially we were going to be distanced. And recently they released their updated games list for the online variant and smash was dropped will be no super smash brothers or ultimate or melee or any of that. What? Um, and instead they added them as fighting herds.
00:21:01
Speaker
and some other games, but that was the one that stands out the most dramatically. Yes, that sounds familiar. What is them fighting the herds again? So it was I know I saw it on Steam at some point, but I'm right. While you generate a correct answer, I'm going to generate an incorrect answer. So I'm going to imagine it's a furry fighting simulator. Because that's what the name sounds like. Oh, you're not wrong.
00:21:33
Speaker
Just looking at the art style and such, it seems in the realm of
00:21:41
Speaker
My Little Pony, but more with fighting animation quality for that of like Skullgirls. That's pretty good. Like it's definitely a comprehensive fighter from just like looking at this trailer. Yeah. But also very furry. Yeah. So unfortunately, Smash got dropped and they didn't give an official reason why Smash got dropped and other games got put on the docket.
00:22:10
Speaker
But a lot of people are theorizing it's because the netcode for Smash is pretty rough. And I mean, we've had our own experiences with that, I think, in our matches since we're only playing online now. The Sakurai moments, I would say.
00:22:32
Speaker
But overall it's really, it's unfortunate. Cause I love, I love watching smash and watching smash competitive is crazy. Yeah. And you can appreciate it a lot more when you've actually played it yourself. You're like, Oh, I know that move. Oh, how do they perform that move that well? Or you might, a lot of times I will watch somebody play a character that I like. I'll be like, Oh, I hope they do cool things with this character. And then they do. And I learned about new tech.
00:23:00
Speaker
Hmm, maybe I should try that at some point fails miserably but does it and then Esty's a stock against Jay. But it's fun to try and like I watched the the hungry box or part of the hungry box initial reveal.
00:23:17
Speaker
Back in January when they were listing the the games out for Evo and it's like it's super hype. It's exciting This guy's ordered a Domino's pizza that arrived as he's doing, you know here for the reveal and I mean he again for the people who don't know hungry boxes a is the melee world champion or at least was on Jigglypuff
00:23:43
Speaker
He's basically the only top Jigglypuff player in the Zane. I know he does ultimate as well, but he got his name in melee for sure. In the same way that Mango did. He fought his way all the way up there. Actually, not melee, sorry. This would have gone back to 64.
00:24:00
Speaker
Oh, yeah. But it's just it's all that excitement, all that hype, that entire scene. And then it's just like, ah, the Internet connection kind of sucks. And this game doesn't hold up with that. Or even with a good connection, this game doesn't hold up with that. There's going to be some lag and they just stop it. Again, conjecture, but it makes a lot of sense.
00:24:23
Speaker
It's no ideal to have something that'd be a little bit buggy for a major tournament. You're like, well, the internet kind of sucked. Oops. Oops. We'll redo that one. I haven't really compared it to anything because I don't play other fighting games, especially online, but.
00:24:42
Speaker
I don't know. It's just, it's a, it's an unfortunate outcome. Nintendo does need as a side rant, Nintendo needs to provide better support for their online scene. Really? Looks at a recent episode of Animal Crossing. Yeah, they could fix some things. Yeah. The future is together on the internet.
00:25:06
Speaker
So you got to get there. Yeah. What's weird to me is when you see companies who've done things really well in that space, as far as connectivity, the user interface, or just how they work with the community. And I was like, we're doing our thing. Yeah. Do you not see everybody else doing this that you could also do and implement?
00:25:31
Speaker
And people would love you for it. People like Nintendo for years. They're still solid. They make a lot of good content and games. And then in other areas, they're just kind of shit, but people give them a pass.
00:25:46
Speaker
in the same way we've talked about for Bethesda. They do certain things really well, and then kind of shit the better than others. Right. Whereas Nintendo's really good at making video games, but bad at appeasing their online community. Bethesda's really bad at making video games, but somehow the community's strung along the whole time. Sorry, Bethesda, friend of the show.
00:26:15
Speaker
of the show. One of the other things I noticed, this is entirely tangential, but
00:26:27
Speaker
I know you looked at the trailer, too.
Mortal Kombat 11's New Characters
00:26:30
Speaker
Mortal Kombat, we talked about it a while back. That one's going to be at Evo. Mortal Kombat 11. And there is RoboCop in there, apparently. Yeah, they've been pulling in from various sources because RoboCop is the most recent reveal. For other third parties, the Joker, Terminator as well. Yeah, but they've been... Terminator is kind of funny.
00:26:54
Speaker
Like they had alien so yeah They also had predator try to think who else
00:27:04
Speaker
They had they had fucking Jason. Oh, yeah, for the some of the older ones. Yeah. So I feel like there's like who which 1980s movies have rights that we can buy. And they've been putting in those characters. A lot of them have been very cool in design, but I've been not not been following the Mortal Kombat scene as much. Do any of these really stand out to you that you're interested in seeing played? I mean, so like I would watch it. I think I would definitely watch it. But
00:27:35
Speaker
I don't really personally want to play Mortal Kombat so much. And it is like we talked about how violent it is. And it is like kind of to the point where it's almost too much for me to comfortably just sit there and watch while eating popcorn.
00:27:50
Speaker
But, uh, I mean, I would tune into Evo if I remember to check that out, especially if people play spawn. That's the only one you didn't mention. It's freaking spawn game can't be bad and have spawn in it. Yeah. So caliber two on the Xbox. Yeah. Here's the, uh, the Xbox exclusive character, right?
00:28:13
Speaker
For Soul Calibur 2, yeah. Which is funny, because I think Xbox, I'm not like, who is the most outstanding individual character that Microsoft is? Here's the thing, though. So at the time, I mean, obviously with GameCube, they're like, all right, Nintendo, which major IP do you have that we could use? Oh, Link. Yeah, yeah, we'll take that from Zelda. And PlayStation's like, oh,
00:28:41
Speaker
Hmm. PlayStation didn't really have anybody who's like, oh, I associate them with PlayStation as a company, but they had the fighters like Tekken. So they took Heihachi. They also took Yoshimitsu, but that'll be talked about later. So Heihachi was the PlayStation exclusive. And then I don't know. They just kind of picked up spawn randomly for Xbox.
00:29:03
Speaker
Who was I thinking of that? I thought Kratos was in one of them. Was that a later game? I don't think he's in any, but if it had to be a later game, I'd guess five or six because they've just been doing random shit now. By me time.
00:29:22
Speaker
I gotta say, spawn thematically and just as a character because I've read very few of the comics and watched the 80s or 90s TV show and watched that really shitty movie. But it's just very cool as a character because it kind of looks like
00:29:42
Speaker
Venom from Spider-Man and also has a red cape and chains and worked for the devil. But he's on a cage for revenge. He pulls in some of like the best aspects of like Spider-Man villains. Now you almost said Knight Rider, that's wrong. Ghost Rider. We're too young for Knight Rider. Yeah, that's a different thing. Ghost Rider with the chains and
00:30:11
Speaker
freaking preacher for all of the religious stuff they're in. You mean all of the religious stuff as in fuck God. Yeah. All the religious stuff. Yeah. There was a game. Apparently it was whole caliber broken destiny for the PSP was the one Kratos was on. PSP stands for PlayStation portable. I realize people probably don't remember that anymore. Cause three people had one.
00:30:39
Speaker
I think that was a big thing for two years. Yeah. A lot of people just had DS instead. Yeah. And it was a big thing. It was gigantic. It was around the size of, and I could just be projecting here, but it was around the size of the, um, the, uh, Sega Genesis portable thing. I can't remember what that was, but it had, it literally used Sega Genesis cartridges.
00:31:06
Speaker
All right, I'm looking this up now. Flash from the past. What's the thing called? Can't even remember what it was. It was literally just portable game player. Sega Ultimate. It existed for the Genesis. Is it like anything like Zune? Oh, it was Nomad. There it is. Genesis Nomad.
00:31:32
Speaker
That's what it was called. I remember this because I played Sonic on it and, uh, Taz the Tasmanian devil in Cyborg Justice. I didn't own it though. It was my sisters. And I played it regardless of whether they wanted me to or not, as I was a good child.
00:31:55
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like the mobile market has, not that I've been following it at all, this is pure conjecture, but I feel that it has probably dipped a little bit since, I mean, obviously Switch is super portable as they show in their commercials. Pretty much all of the market share.
00:32:16
Speaker
And they sold a stupid amount this year because of, um, Animal Crossing and the quarantine. They were out of stock just like in general for a long time. Well, I feel like Xbox and PlayStation have been leaning more into having this big tower set up. So these are for the hardcore gamers who want to play call of duty or whatever stuff they're hard, they're marketing on the PS five. Last of us two.
00:32:48
Speaker
I mean, that was supposed to come out for PS4, so who knows? It's on PS5, right? I don't want to get a PS5 for Last of Us 2. Yeah. But I really want to play Last of Us 2. I'm pretty sure Last of Us 2 will come out for PS4, even if a version of it came out for PS5, which seems relatively likely, I guess. But it would have first party support for PS4, because it was supposed to be released already, or could have been.
00:33:18
Speaker
Well, it sucks when you really want to play one game and it's exclusive to a console you don't have or a generation of console that you didn't really plan on getting yet. Cause it's like a really big buy-in to say, Oh, I'm going to spend 600 bucks to play this one game. That seems like a bit much valve index. Yeah. It's not that I wouldn't necessarily down the road. It's just a much bigger investment at the time.
00:33:47
Speaker
It's definitely been less of a problem now because there's so much time between when consoles come out. I just looked up when PS4 came out. 2013 is when that one came out. What year is this? When it came out. You could be seven years old right now if someone handed you money and allowed you to buy this as a baby.
00:34:08
Speaker
I was actually delivered onto a PS4. Right. Very specific ritual. It was an HDMI cable. That would definitely portent something. Something. He's gonna be a gamer. Right.
00:34:30
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Oh, man. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to feel necessarily about the PS5. I guess it's natural it would happen. So one of the points here, I'll just give up the segue, is we've got the Unreal Engine 5 demo on here, which we both took a
Unreal Engine 5 on PS5: First Impressions
00:34:50
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look at. And it's very pretty.
00:34:53
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And I think the demo was specifically showing footage or gameplay from a game that's being developed on PS5, right? I believe so. It might not even be a game. It might've just been a tech demo where they kind of spun up this fantastical universe where they have like, oh, characters exploring city ruins. Yeah. They did say, I do remember they said it was running on a PS5. So I don't know whether it'll be,
00:35:22
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Who knows what stage of development that's along? I don't even know what the game was, right? It could literally just be a tech demo on the PS5. But it's very pretty and I kind of didn't care. I mean, I sympathize to a degree.
00:35:41
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But as a counterpoint, do you remember the older days, let's say of PlayStation or PS2? I refuse to talk about other consoles, apparently. Right. Like Final Fantasy X, right? You had your in-game and it was crisp for the time. But then when you had those in-game cinematics, it was way more intense. Like there was a huge disparity between the cinematic going on and the gameplay. Another great example being Warcraft 3.
00:36:11
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Yeah, the game itself looked fairly bonkers. But when you watch cinematic, you were like, holy shit. Because we always talk up about these crazy Blizzard cinematics because it had so much detail and it was beautiful. But then you go back to
00:36:29
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What would work, work, something be doing? Huge gap. So looking forward, if we could minimize that huge disparity, I think that would be a good thing. Yeah. I also see what you're saying as I don't need things to be super pretty.
00:36:48
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There's lots of games I've played that are very limited, graphically, that still mean a lot to me. Luxed at arm. Yeah. Zork. Zork for possible new tattoo. Classic, classic tattoo for Zork. I mean, the two examples you use were, like you mentioned Blizzard. You end up to it before I could call you out on it. Blizzard who made traditionally really good cinematics. And then Final Fantasy, who have always been known for making
00:37:16
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cinematics that were like so far ahead of What the graphics and games were capable of like even thinking back to like a classic Final Fantasy 7 You're just like man. This is awesome looking and the game starts and you're like I'm controlling for polygons and most of that's hair Like do you remember when Sephiroth was burns down the village there's that cutscene and
00:37:41
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And it was still decently limited graphically to today's standards. But then when it cut back, he was just kind of like waddling his little sprite, but his character model like back through the town, you're like, okay. But in that moment, it felt alive. It felt real. Yeah.
00:37:59
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You can textualize it to what's the norm for the time. I think there's something to be said for your point. Getting rid of FMV cutscenes and doing all of your cutscenes, quote unquote, in Enjin is
00:38:17
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It's really immersive, that's probably the biggest takeaway, like the biggest win there, I would say. Undertale did a great job of that. All the cutscenes were in-universe.
00:38:31
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what we were literally talking about, this Monster Hunter, same deal. Pretty much all of the cutscenes were just rendered in-game, because why wouldn't they be? So there is definitely something to be said for that. And you can have artsy games or games where the graphical style is part of the main appeal and pull, or it's used in gameplay. And that's awesome. The main thing for me is like,
00:38:59
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PS4 is already capable of the graphics fidelity that is pretty much the maximum I care about personally. But if they could achieve that and not have any frame loss, like if they can improve the performance and keep this level of fidelity, that would probably justify the PS5 pickup for me. I'd stand by then.
00:39:25
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Cause like right now, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, very beautiful games and they, they feel good or been like, that looks kind of like a shitty texture. Yeah. Like nothing stands out to take me out of the experience. Yeah. If I could get that in like 144 frames, that'd be pretty good. I would, I would appreciate that. I would thank Sony for that.
00:39:52
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You mentioned Horizon Zero Dawn, though, which would be a great segue to something I didn't put on the list. That's coming out this summer for PC. Oh, hey, maybe I can finally play and beat it, though. So I keep forgetting to do it on PlayStation. It's like it's all right on PlayStation. And I think it's probably fine for that. But because a fair amount of the game is like arranged weapons, the more you're dealing with arranged weapons, the more I appreciate a mouse.
00:40:22
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So I could actually see this kind of working. I like the trigger holding on a bow. That's fair, actually. I don't know why. I've been conditioned from games like Ocarina, I guess. But not on a gun, the trigger. Arc shots, specifically. Like, if I'm playing Overwatch, Junkrat's always a controller. And then Mei's mouse and keyboard, you know? Right.
00:40:48
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Have you ever played a game where you did that or it allowed you to hot swap between controls games and you did? Because I can think of one example for myself immediately. Hollow Knight is probably one... Oh really? You did mouse and keyboard and controller? I know, I did controller the whole time. But I know you can switch in between.
00:41:08
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I could tell you the example I had for one where I did play through with controller and without in the same like session and it was battlefield. Because whenever it was specifically battlefield bad company too because I was a dedicated helicopter pilot.
00:41:24
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And anytime I jumped in the helicopter, I'd just like grab my controller real quick for the precise controls. And then when I was inevitably shot down five seconds later, I shuffled it off to the side, went back to mouse and keyboard for ground controls. That's interesting you'd actually commit to that. It was very minor because it was still on my desk. It wasn't like I didn't have to plug anything in or not, but it was noticeably better controls for helicopters and stuff like that.
00:41:55
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I feel like in a sort of machine handling has typically been better with controller. Like nobody talks about Forza with mouse and keyboard, you know, it just doesn't handle the same way without dual analog.
00:42:09
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Or a racing wheel. That's the next tier up. I actually have a mouse with the ball on top. Those exist. They do. Back in the day, I use that exclusively for... I mean, it was the mouse we had, but I use it for, I think, Unreal Tournament.
00:42:31
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Uh huh. The first one. Right. And I got. 99 or whatever. With kind of like spinning that to the position I wanted. I don't know how I ever switched to that and then back from it. Because now I'm using a G4 Logitech G4s. Yeah. And I need like the mouse weight. Yeah. I just have like a prettiest core thing. The blue one.
00:43:02
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Oh, the blue mouse. I know what you mean. Well, the prettiest core, the blue one. It's a G502, according to the bottom. We didn't see a mouse. I thought we did. I probably just misspoke about the name. I didn't want to presume.
00:43:20
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for a friend of the show Logitech. But I know my wife when she was growing up, like her father is left-handed and so they had a left-handed mouse.
00:43:37
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And so all of the kids, as they grew up there, learn to use the mouse left-handed, even if they are predominantly right-handed. And it's something that she's had to adapt to going back to like right-handed dominance, which is kind of funny.
00:43:55
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That's crazy. I guess you did just kind of work with whatever you had at the time. You're like, I'll make it work. Yeah. It can be normal if you're just like a kid. You're just like, oh, people use the left hand when they're using a mouse. I'm not good at anything. I'll do it this way. And then that's how you learn.
00:44:14
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It is weird, though, how like you have two hands, you can use them in conjunction together fairly easily, I would hope for now. But for primary actions, you always have that dominant hand. The other one's just there to like.
00:44:27
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be a backup in case the first one fucked up. I didn't really do much. It's crazy. I mean, I've heard stories of people who like practice activities with their non-dominant hand to just maintain a certain level of ambidexterity. So serious. Yeah. That's a certain commitment to living. But I don't know if I share. I've brushed my teeth with my left hand before, and it was awful. I'm like, never again.
00:44:56
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Yeah, it's it's incredibly difficult. There's there's a mental process involved. Yeah, it's like you're just not allocating any mental space for it. Even when I was breading chicken, I was like, this would be my dry hands for putting for putting the egg wash chicken, the panko my left hand because it's like chicken egg wash breading pan. I would move that over. But even so, it felt a little
00:45:25
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silly It's it didn't feel mechanically sound Yeah, like I'm just kind of dragging it along In comparison at least All right with that point being said, I think we need to close out quarantine
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater Remaster
00:45:41
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cuisine. So thank you guys for sticking around for that segment Now we can get to the main part of the show Where we talk about Tony Hawk and how it's getting remastered Tony Hawk one and two
00:45:53
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Did you ever play a Tony Hawk? Were you a, um, a hawker? I believe it was the term as a child. No, I was not exclusively a hawker, but I did have some like neighbors in the area who had play stations and we'd go into their basement and play Tony Hawk. Cause it was really fucking fun. I'd always pick the one skater chick cause she had good grinding stats. Hmm.
00:46:18
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I don't remember, but I remember Superman being the only song I would listen to. Yeah. And I was never great at it, but I had a lot of fun playing it. Those songs are just like I couldn't remember, probably wouldn't remember them right now. But as soon as they heard something to your head, like, oh, this is Tony Hawk. I played Bob Burnquist. I remember.
00:46:40
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I know he was the guy I played. I can't remember what was special about him, if anything. Probably not, but given how boring I was as a child. Chad Mera, is that another name? Oh yeah. Tony Hawk, is that another one?
00:46:53
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No, he was... Spider-Man. I remember Spider-Man, unlockable character. I'm surprised they kind of got the ability. They got Spider-Man in there because it's so hard to get Spider-Man's likeness or whatever in a game or anything like that anymore.
00:47:15
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This was just Tony Hawk and they're like, yeah, let's put Spider-Man in there. Probably didn't tell anybody. Back before copyright was a thing. Yeah. Yeah. We played a lot of, was it called tag? Yeah. But you go around. Where every time you did a trick on a surface.
00:47:34
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Yeah, you essentially painted that whatever your color was. And somebody could beat that and paint it over with their color if they got a higher score in that piece. So if you just grind it over a bunch of things, cool, you got 20 different surfaces. But if somebody goes up and does a
00:47:53
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a board stall? I don't know. 360 note scope. Let's say they just went up like a half pipe and did a trick off of it. That was like a thousand points over. You lost it. You'd have to go back and beat that. Yeah. So it was fun because my one friend Chad, who I had the Astroth battle with,
00:48:12
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play this game a lot, a lot, a lot. He would kick other people's asses and I would just go to his house and play for fun. But we'd get into these games and he would go up, do a trick that earned him at least 100,000 points and then leave. And I would just be like, all right, I can't touch that spot ever. That spot's out of bounds. I try and do something, lose balance and then fail off at like 5,000. I'm like, oof. Yeah.
00:48:38
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They had a, they had like a special animation whenever, cause the score would rack up at the bottom, kind of like you're playing crazy taxi or you're in a casino or something. And, uh, if you, is it Biff, is that the word?
00:48:52
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If for bail off, you're basically, I don't remember the actual term. Yeah, I can't remember exactly. And I'm not cool enough to know. Uh, but it would like fall off the screen and like blood text basically, or red text, it would turn red, then fall off the screen. Like, ah, you failed.
00:49:09
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Yeah, get back on you bullet. Um, I don't know why there was that accent, but I had, I had a lot of fun times playing Tony Hawk and Tony Hawk. Like I had it for, so I think this was released for PlayStation and Nintendo. Probably not Dreamcast, but maybe, but I had the Nintendo version, which was the least good one, which was pretty much always the case when something was released for Nintendo and PlayStation.
00:49:35
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Um, and they had like freaking a skate park editor and stuff. You could like make your own custom. Yeah. You could make your own custom skate park. And like, these are features for Nintendo 64. Like these were added in a game and I don't know. I obviously would never actually be on a skateboard, but it was a fun game.
00:49:57
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I've done a standing ollie once in my life. Yeah, it's actually really easy. But I felt very unsafe when I did it. Also, first game to use the most record scratches ever. Oh, yeah. Between levels.
00:50:17
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So how do you feel about the rematch? Are you excited for it? Is something you're going to try and pick up? I mean, it's probably entirely contingent upon whether they add multiplayer to it. I don't know if that's stupid to say or not, but like, I don't think I would necessarily want to play through the single player again. Go around collecting skate once more, like it's Donkey Kong Country.
00:50:40
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And, you know, trying to get enough points to get the next tier of metal and like the events.
00:50:50
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I could be entirely wrong, but this genre of games has pretty much fallen off entirely like of my radar. Like I played this, I played 10 80 snowboarding. Great memories of that SSX tricky for me. Hell yeah. That was boy and stuff. Um, and then nothing, just the desert of related games till current year. So I don't know what it'll be after like.
00:51:20
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17 years of off season. Yeah. I feel like it was kind of new territory for the time where it's like, Hey, let's have some extreme sports stuff. People are like, yeah, that's cool. But then it kind of faded off as far as the game scene. Yeah. Cause other things took its place. Like we're going to have this in-depth adventure. We're going to have these great multiplayer shooters, MMOs.
00:51:49
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You know who I blame, Dave? Wii Sports Resort. A hundred percent market share. No one else could ever compete with it. That was it. That was done. I mean, I played Wii Bowling and that's it. Oh man. It could be fun. They will need to add online, like in some online modes. And I think just a straight remaster is probably not going to be as big as it could be otherwise.
00:52:20
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Yeah, I would hope they wouldn't just slap on a new skin of paint. Just tag it. Here's your new game, fuckers. It is something I kind of wish I could have gone back in time and played Jet Set Radio or Jet Set Radio Future instead, just for all of the more nerd cred I could have gotten investing in Jet Set Radio stonks, really.
00:52:49
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But I didn't have a Dreamcast. Look at you now. It would have made me a weirdo at the time for credit now if I had a Dreamcast. Here's my Dreamcast. Here's my Zune. My favorite game is Beautiful Joe. I did have a Zune. We've talked about this. I know you're an edgy kid. Is there anything else you'd really want a remaster of?
00:53:14
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It seems like this is like the year for it, not even maybe just the year, but like the last two years, everything's getting a remaster. Final Fantasy 7 was probably the big one. Yeah, Final Fantasy 7. Resident Evil. Resident Evil was another one. Tony Hawk obviously was another big one. People are talking about, I literally saw discussion about whether the old divinities
00:53:36
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make it a remaster because there's like two games before i played the first divinity because i got it in probably on sale for like five bucks i was like oh sure i love divinity original sin 2 definitive edition edition let me play the original divinity and it's not the same um so i'm fine to let that lie and the fun thing about that is
00:54:03
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You went back one game and you were fine letting that lie. But the series actually started like two games earlier because the first one was like divine divinity and then there was another one after that and then divinity original said. So it's like, yeah, but I don't know, it seems like everybody's remastering stuff. There are some games I would love to see picked back up, I think, that I enjoyed around that time. Wipeout, I would love to play Wipeout.
00:54:29
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I feel it wouldn't be hard for them to make a wipeout because it's wipeout? There's not much to it, right? Would it be the same though if you weren't sitting down?
00:54:39
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I don't know. And I mean sitting down because I remember wipe out in the arcade. Oh, yeah. We actually sit on the the jet. So so we have a friend who like has a DDR machine. Right. And I feel like that affords you significantly more cred than owning an arcade machine where you just sit down and use a wheel. It's like full body exercise versus.
00:55:09
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Sitting down to play with a steering wheel. That's true. I don't know if I answered your point at all. I just thought about that in my head. So I had to say it.
00:55:23
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There was a game that actually looked like Wipeout and I had to look it up on my wish list. Oh, it's 70% off. There is a game that I didn't own until I noticed that this was on sale and I will now own it called Redout. And it looks like a PC Wipeout and I'm.
00:55:41
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I'll let you know how it is next time, I guess. Is that on Steam? It is on Steam. It's not good at curse research. Yeah. It's apparently on sale through.
00:55:55
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May 26th. So if you're interested in a wipeout like game that I cannot recommend because I've never played it. Not confirmed nor did I. Check out Redout Enhanced Edition on Steam. It's apparently 10 bucks. 10 50. Cool. Friend of the show, Redout Enhanced Edition.
00:56:17
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I guess I do like when they take good old concepts and bring it back. Like I know we've briefly mentioned Overload here and there, which is kind of the spiritual successor of Descent. Oh, yeah. Because fuck Descent 3, where they gave the main character voice lines and shit and a plot. Get out of here. Yeah. Let me go into the mines and kill robots.
00:56:41
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You know, what I want to see remastered actually is the army men series army men, army men to, um, Sarge's heroes.
Remastering Wishlist: Army Men Series
00:56:50
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Sarge's heroes was the PlayStation one. Yeah. Um, army men, three toys in space army men air attack. The other army men air attack game that I can't remember was probably two. I have really fond memories playing those as a kid.
00:57:11
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Which means I probably wouldn't enjoy them now, but I'd buy them in just the same. Well, a lot of it's like weird PC games you played back in the day, the nostalgia for, or even a future you're just scratching that itch again. I feel like it's still value to pick up. It's maybe a little bit harder to say this is a game that I would play right now. If it was remastered from something that I played back then, as opposed to just by due to nostalgia.
00:57:44
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It's a little bit harder. I feel like I don't know what I would want, but if I saw it, I would recognize it. Yeah. Like, let's say it's like remade war games. I'd be like, oh, war games is fun as hell. I'll definitely check that out. Yeah.
00:58:03
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So like for the actual game publishers and developers listening, we have no useful information for you on which games you should remaster. We won't know whether we would buy them until they're literally in front of us. Ask the community that you're interested in. I wonder if that works.
00:58:26
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Because I feel like a lot of people would just like nostalgia, be like, yeah, you totally should remake. Uh, trying to think of something. We forgot to mention.
00:58:39
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Oh, yeah. Well, Starcraft. Yep. Starcraft got remastered. Warcraft got remastered and remastered. There was a rumor actually that Diablo 2 would see a remaster, I think by like Visceral or something like that. But it's it was purely rumor. Not at all confirmed. It was a rumor from the people. You know what else is rumor back in the day?
00:59:08
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Star Wars episode seven. Sit down. It's going to be a thing. Yeah, all rumors are true. But it was a rumor from the people who also said that Overwatch 2 was going to be a thing and Diablo 4 was going to be announced and all this other stuff. So I mean, Diablo mobile. Well, to be fair, Diablo 4. It was actually announced. Yeah.
00:59:35
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And it looks cool, but I don't know if it's going to beat Path of Exile 2, because they look to be on the same graphics engine. Yeah. I think it really comes down to you. Tencent owns like, I don't know, it's like 5% stake, something like that. An Activision Blizzard and like 100% stake in Grinding Gear games. So I mean, that's a huge difference. So Path of Exile 2 is going to be the superior game. It's pretty obvious.
01:00:05
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Just like Valorant is the superior game, right? I haven't checked on him in Valorant yet. I couldn't say. Because I'm not big on Counter-Strike or Overwatch all that much. Yeah, it's definitely the more Counter-Strike-y of the two. I think we're probably a ways out from a Valorant episode. Yeah, I feel like there are any changes that you have to try and get the keys for now. Yeah.
01:00:34
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Also, that's a very polite way to put it. Also, I mean, also I'm probably never going to play it. I don't know. That's life. Uh, yeah. I mean, anything else you want to talk about?
01:00:53
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I'm gonna hold off on my sandwich recipe reveal for a later date. That's fair, that's fair. Hold up. We can have the sandwich and the coverage of whatever game I'm about to buy on Steam next time. Red line. Yeah, that one. Thank you. It was that or I pick randomly in order to fulfill the promise. Oh man.
01:01:21
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Alright, well, if that's about it, I think that we could probably call it here.
01:01:30
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Are you talking to me or to them?
Episode Wrap-Up
01:01:34
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01:01:58
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We'll see you in the next one. Have a good night.