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AFL Fantasy 2023 musings: Dunkley, Rozee, and Taranto early locks? Is Coniglio under the radar? Do we 'see it' with Setterfield? Plus: Kyle has a 12 pack | #PODPOD
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The PODPOD is back for another season! Dos, Lewy, Holmesy, and The Statesman take a look at everything that's happened since the last time they dusted off the mics — including the AFL trade period, the NAB AFL draft, the fixture release, AFL Fantasy salary cap announcement, DPPs, and more!
Oh... and we learn that Kyle has a 12-pack.
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Welcome and Introductions
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you
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and welcome back to the Pod Pod. It's ya boi, Dossie, back on this Wednesday night, December 14th, and back for another AFL fantasy season. Off season's gone around pretty bloody quickly, but it's time to open up the books again and study some fantasy with my beloved
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three co-hosts. The quad pod, you might call us on the pod pod. First up, two time top 10 finisher and the 2021 runner up was it? Kyle Holmsey Holmes, the Prince of Perth, mate. How are you, Holmsey?
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Yeah, good, Dossie. Congratulations for getting through that intro, Jacen. I know you're a little bit nervous dusting off the mic and we're talking about it off air. You're a bit sweaty, a bit nervous, but you got through, mate. Well done. No retake for the intro.
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Yep. Nailed it first. Go, mate. That's what I do. Um, we'll get to you in a minute, Homsey, because there was some revelations as we recently met up. But first of all, I want to get to the next man as part of the quad pod. It is Louie and mate, you are primed and raring for a real football season yourself. Getting in some of the best shape of your life, but how are you going, Lou?
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Yeah not bad mate, pretty keen to start talking about 2023, obviously I've been planning this since about June 2022 so yeah pretty keen to get stuck in and I think everybody is in the community is just frothing to start talking a bit of fantasy and start building their teams in the next couple of weeks as the game opens up.
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Lou, I'll tell you what, if I was playing local footy fantasy though, you'd be my captain this year. And there's been some photos already going out on the socials, on the AFL clubs websites with all the shredded picks. But Lou, if they were out at your local footy club, I'll tell you what, we would have got some magic already. What's with the transformation heading into your own big pre-season this year?
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Geez, so I'm just coming out of retirement really. I'm gonna play footy with a couple of mates and Yeah, just got a little bit fitter. That's all. Love it mate. Tearing it up. Alright, and let's get to the final member of the quad pod. It is the former
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former five-time top 100 finisher, now washed up fossil. He's the draft doctor dinosaur. You know him, you love him. It's the statesman. How are you mate? Well, it's great to see you lads. I've got to say I was a little bit disappointed a couple of weekends ago where I started seeing a few photos of the group together there in Adelaide and
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It's a bit disappointed because where was the invitation, gentlemen? So, you know, the pod pod gets together minus the greatest legend of them all. What's going on? I was there.
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No invite. You got the invite. Thank you very much. It was the Ghostman. Certain speculation out there. Certain speculation out there. You didn't want to show your face after... Look,
Pre-Season News and Trade Analysis
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some of the listeners may not know that we're on the general Spotify and not members last year, Stado, but you actually went down to the great Mandossi.
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Yeah, yeah, I did just slightly. So let's move on. Is there any coming back from that stato? No, no, pretty much. I actually thought of formally retiring, but I just didn't want it to end that way.
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So if listener, if you find that Stado is withdrawn from the pod pipe, the draft doctors and fantasy in general at around 15 when the buys are over, you know the circumstances are that Dossie's flying and Stado isn't.
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Look, there's one thing we had to address pre-show. I already saw the Super Coach tab open. I think it was. It must have been BBL, but look, you might want to just stick to that game this year, mate, because you've got no chance of coming back. Thanks, man.
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All right, well, before we do get into the show, and we're going to talk a lot about just the preseason news, what we've missed since we last spoke to you on the show, you know, bit of trade period, bit of the draft, some of the recent DPPs, there's heaps to get to. I do want to mention one last thing, though, from our recent meetup. And it was probably that revelation, I mentioned it before, when we did meet Kyle for the first time, all of us catching up, it was a great, great little catch up.
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Kyle, talking about Louis' fitness, I wasn't aware you're a man that sports a big 12 pack. Reppin' some gym abs there. Kyle, do you want to discuss this with the show? Not really, mate. Can we go back to Louis, who's currently training six times a week to play Div 4 footy? What's all that about?
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It did three, mate. And I reckon we've spent about five minutes too long and talking about our own football careers. I reckon we get stuck in this in fantasy. All right, Lou, you're always keeping us on track. Let's get into what we've got on the show. First of all, I just want to I think we get to the trade period because it has been a long time since we've since we've had a chat with the listeners. Let's just go through some of the major trades and some of our biggest takeaways from the trade period in general.
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Let's get into the first trade that we want to talk about. I think Stado's just put this list together pretty quickly, so hopefully we don't miss any of the big names, no doubt we may. Richmond getting Tim Taranto. Stado, do you want to talk us through this one first?
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Yeah, well, it's a great opportunity that he's going to get pure midfield time. I think that's generally going to be the case while he's roles at a Richmond. But having the forward status this year makes him nice and juicy in saying that the only holdback is the Hopper situation. So the reality is, I think Tim Taranto has got more diversity in his game than Hopper.
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So if they're both fully fit in the pre-season, be interested and see what the mix is on CBAs. But although Richmond, as we know, aren't the greatest AFL fantasy scorers, I think we can all be pretty comfortable that Tim Taranto can get back to his
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Near best, I'm probably expecting the 102 to 108 average. And as a forward, you just got to lock that in. The other side of that, and this is inclusive of Hopper, is the opportunities that get created in the GWS midfield. I think COGS becomes really important. Hashtag COG for them in that midfield group. But I also think there's some real opportunities in the younger ones.
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There's obviously with Bruin, Hopper and Taranto all out of that midfield mix, there is some value in the GWS midfield somewhere, we just don't know where yet.
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Yeah, that's a good point. I always love, I think, yeah, that's sort of a draft Dr Mantra and something I've certainly taken away from my time there, is always looking at the other end of the trade. You're always excited about the guy and the new colours, which as well, we are very excited in some of the guys with the new colours here, but also looking at those gaps that they're leaving on the other end. Tim Taranto, I think all around we're pretty comfortable there. Early days, the very, very early days on that,
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Locking him into our side, but let's get to a few other players now. We haven't gone in any general order here So if it's a quick move on then that's fine because status just done a little a jumble of these trades But Carlton getting Blake acres, I'll throw that one to you homes here. You've excited about this from our classic perspective
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Nah, clearly Blake Acres isn't going to be relevant for us as a mid-only player, but the one interesting thing is taking that wing roll, whether or not that frees up Sam Walsh to play a little bit more inside. He did start off the half-forward line, so it wasn't necessarily the wing, but he was required to run out there a little bit. So maybe that frees him up a little bit, especially with the injuries. George Hewitt's slow to come back, but
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Sam Walsh isn't someone that we'd pick to begin with anyway, knowing that he's coming off back surgery and having a bit of a delayed pre-season. But other than that, it's pretty irrelevant, Blake Acres. The reason why I put him in there is the opportunity that it frees up for a rookie to take a wing spot at the Fremantle Dockers. So Erasmus is a real opportunity because he didn't play last year. It's going to be that bottom price.
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It's a rookie opportunity that gets created in someone that's going to have a solid role. Yeah, I think Erasmus played a few games last year, Stado, so he's not going to be rookie priced. I think he'll be around that 50-60 mark, which unfortunately prices it out as a mid only. Yeah, stick to that Super Coach game. I reckon there's Stado, maybe move on.
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Nah, Louis, let's get to the next name. And I wonder, this is probably even more on the irrelevant side, but Tom Berry going to the Gold Coast. Look, we are the pod pod. We're doing things a little differently on the order. Tom Berry, any interest there? Yeah, I couldn't consistently break into the Brisbane side. He's obviously gone to Gold Coast for a bit more opportunity, but look, he was never a big scorer at Brisbane. He's not going to be a big scorer at Gold Coast. He just won't get the midfield minutes to make.
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doubt on a half forward flank or even deeper in the forward line somewhere. I sort of maybe liken him a little bit to like a Nick Holman who's never really been relevant at the Gold Coast either. So no, I'm happy to just put a line straight through Thomas Berry in classic format.
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Tanner Bruin, Statesman, now Kays came on last pre-season from the Kepa League pod. He had some interest in him last year. Didn't pop at GWS. Has gone to the reigning premiers to get a gig. Can he slot into some Joel Selwood, a little bit of that Joel Selwood role, take over some midfield time?
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Yeah, really interesting to see what Geelong does. We know that they're the premiers, but there needs to be a bit of a handing over of the guard. The big question is who? So that's why I think Tanner Bruin is a watch. I think, and I'm sure he's probably one of the many boys that you've got, Dossie, but I'm sure you rate this young fellow. And I think he's got a great opportunity. The price and the cost
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just might be that little issue in the little barrier. And it's sort of why I'm keen to have a look what they do with Thomas Berry at Gold Coast, because he is going to be very affordable. And if he gets the right type of role, he could be a good money earner early.
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What do we say? I think, um, Louie actually produced some content. He, him and I popped onto the keep leg pod, um, in the off season at some point. It was my last pod before I, um, had to get collect some dust on the mic for a little bit. And Louie, I think one of a clip of you talking about, uh, Tanner Bruin kind of blew up on the tick tocks. Uh, Lou, you have a special take on this, I think.
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It's funny I've had a few people mention that to me, I'm not on TikTok so clearly that got a bit of traction but I just don't think he's going to be best 22. He'll sneak in there for a couple of games and look if he plays good football he might be able to string together some but
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In my opinion, Geelong only got stronger in the off-season. Yes, they did lose Joel Selwood, but they added a few bodies on top of that as well. So, Tanner Bruin, I'd be seriously worried that he wouldn't be playing each and every week. So, in terms of picking him in Classic, I just wouldn't go near it.
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Being a Fremantle man, Kyle, I want to throw to you for the next player, Luke Jackson, coming in possibly under price, given he's shared his rock role with a great rockman in Max Gorn, but he's going to another place in Fremantle with a strong number one rock option in Sean Darcy. Do you think Luke Jackson can provide any fantasy relevant for classic? Because I still think anyone with a new Guernsey, they're always that temptation, especially in our rock positions to maybe try something different.
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Darcy, I don't think he's going to be relevant for us in Classic. There were some pretty strong words from Peter Bell quite recently saying that they're going to play him a fair amount forward and that makes sense. They've lost Lob. Taberna is injured a lot of the time and they're just not that strong down the forward line and I don't see the point of throwing Jackson in the ruck too much when they've got a Sean Darcy who does his best work when he's in there sort of 80 plus percent. So I think you'll find that
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Jackson probably plays a little bit more in The Rock than what Rory Lobb did but it won't be anything significant that's going to prove to be advantageous for us for Classic. It could be a bit of a concern for Sean Darcy though.
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I think, yeah, it's too hard to know. I think you're right. I think you just avoid any sort of dual ruck. But speaking of this dual ruck setup, let's talk about the other end of the spectrum. Brody Grundy going to Melbourne to tandem with Max Gorn. So our two best ruckmen over the past, however many years, Stado, we've now got them both in the same team. How does this look? And do we just put a line through both of them?
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We've got to watch what the mix is. You've got to think Grundy is more likely to get more time in the ruck because Max can play forward. I think they certainly would have been hoping that the bench went to five because it just creates so much more opportunity to get the most out of that mix. But I'm sort of thinking, and this is where I'm worried for selecting either and whether it be in
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salary capital, whether it be draft, is I think it's going to be horses for courses. So what's the best fit and match up against
Draft and New Rules Impact
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the opposition that you're playing? So you're going to get a better result having Max one week and therefore he has a higher rotation in the ruck and vice versa with Grundy. So it's going to be an awful own, I would expect, but I think Grundy is more likely to get more ruck time.
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What I will say on the flipside stato, do you reckon this makes your Clayton Olivers, Petrarchis and Brayshaws far more relevant knowing that they're going to have just a dominant ruckman on the ball 100% of the game?
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But this is the problem. I don't think Grundy ever created the dominance in the midfield for Collingwood. So it's when Max was in there that they had a greater domination. So I don't know if that changes that much. But the reality there, midfield strength with Tugun Rukman and the midfielders you talk about.
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means they're going to be one hell of an awesome football team. I just don't know about the fantasy implications in the ruck position, but I don't think you're going to be too far wrong with saying that Oliver is going to be a superstar again this year. All right, moving on to the next player we're going to talk about. Will Setterfield go on to Essen and Liu interest?
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Oh, not really. I suppose there's a little bit of relevance there. I think he's going to come in price at about 82, 83. Essendon are looking for a bit of a different midfield mix, but there's no shortage of midfielders actually coming through for that side. And he's not really much of an outside player. I'd struggle to see him averaging over 100, which just wouldn't be enough to actually start him in your sides.
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So for me, we'll set a field. It's probably a pass. I think he's near enough, but just not good enough. Tom Mitchell will set a field will settle for set a field will be at priced at 68. So he's got what, maybe 25 points of upside. I don't see him getting that. I think he's more of a 90 player and Essendon just have much better ball users than we'll set a field. You just be an extractor.
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Yeah, I've got him priced at 64, averaging 63.6, but Stado's coming out his big pre-season call saying he's going to be the Georgie Hewitt of 2023, Stado. So you see it, where you don't see it. You guys don't see it? Correct. Correct. No, last year the big joke was that, yes, I said to Stado in the pre-season, I don't see it with George Hewitt.
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I was wrong. You know, I'll take that bullet. But then in the end of the day, he didn't play all the games in the end. So I'll take a little dubby out of that. But no, we'll set a field to go that I've actually had a lot of faith with over the years. So I mean, maybe that's a red flag for picking him. He has been a fan.
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He's on board. We're in trouble. Look, he was a big junior scorer, if I recall, or at least a big Niffel. I know, yes, it was the Niffel, but when he was playing at GWS, he was scoring some big numbers. Obviously, he had a couple of bad injuries in the way. I think one was an ACL, maybe two of them. But look, he showed signs when he plays inside mid. So he is a guy that I'd keep a watch on, and especially if the statesman is keen.
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They do have a few midfielders at Essen, but yeah, new coach, new set up. It'll be interesting to watch a lot of what happens at Essen in this preseason. Let's talk about Tom Mitchell. Yeah, I don't see it. You don't see it? Yep. Tommy Mitchell, who wants to take this one? Are we all, I mean, are we all keen on a resurgent Tom Mitchell? I think there is some concerns over some game plan. Who's on the teach, the teach side first? And yeah, Stater, you're all aboard the teach train.
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Everyone. Everyone's a thumbs up. Okay, perfect. Well, who wants to take it then and talk about the great man? Yeah, look, at this stage in the preseason, he's as close to a slam dunk pick as you're going to get. I think a large, very large portion of the competition are going to jump on board as a mid 90s underpriced player
Fantasy Strategies and Season Excitement
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with potential of going 105 plus and being a top eight midfielder.
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He, everyone's worried about the Collingwood game style, but I think it's in large, you know, they talk about last year, Crisp, I think average 94, Daikos 88, Pendles, I think 88, and they're worried that there's just not that fantasy ceiling there, but they didn't have a Tom Mitchell. They were getting absolutely destroyed in the center bounce. They were the worst clearance side in the comp, basically, and they just, they're screaming out for a Tom Mitchell type in and under extractor.
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He'll be 75% plus CBAs in there and I just can't see a world where he isn't 105 plus and you can hide behind the fact that most of the comp is going to do the same thing which makes it pretty safe pick, Louie.
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I think a lot of people say game plan, game plan, game plan. And look, that might be a factor, but sometimes game plans are dictated by the cattle you've got. And I think you nailed it with that one there, Kyle, is they just didn't have a Tom Mitchell type in that side that they could rely on week to week, which is why we saw a bit of an even spread across the Collingwood midfielders where none of them really excelled. But all of them were thereabouts, the same sort of scoring.
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you can give a pig the cleanest little place to live, it's gonna be swimming in shit in 10 minutes. Now, one thing I do wanna ask you guys, like there is, you're all nerds on this show, so you've already made all your teams, you've done your calculations, you've got your spreadsheets out, you're all bloody nerds, but for a guy like Dossie who's gonna wait until the game gets released and sort of organize himself then,
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Is there any scenario saying is you are nerds that you've already done this does Tom Mitchell is there a way that he can sit at your M1 do you guys seem getting back to those piggish numbers and can you do you think you can start him at an M1 or is there kind of you want to go more safe in your early plans obviously so long to tell so many structures that we're going to obviously go through on the show but
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Tom Mitchell, Kyle, you're the most recent guy up the top of the ladder in terms of finishing. What do you think can teach Sitter M1 for us?
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Uh, well, when I do my team, I obviously sort it in price and there's no way that I'm not going to start like someone around that, you know, Jack McRae, Darcy Paris type price tag, which is, you know, that low hundreds and, and teaches that 96. So just by that alone, he's going to sit down at, you know, M two, three, four, whatever that ends up being. So I can't see myself not picking someone at least one player as a captaincy option. That's a little bit more price than he is.
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Yeah, spot on the same. Yeah, I guess that's what you do get from having a spreadsheet with the prices out, et cetera. Yeah, it's a good point. Let's just get through these last few trades. I don't think there's, oh, there's, I mean, there's one big relevancy, but Rory Lobb at Western Bulldogs, no interest there. Shall I move on?
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Speaker
No, no, there's heaps of interest here because all of a sudden English is number one ruck for the first time. So it's hugely relevant because Rory Lobb will be his pinch hitter and he'll solve their problems up forward as well. So all of a sudden Tim English, despite which I've highlighted a little bit later in the fixture, he's got the Gorn Grundy opposition round one.
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means that English is really putting his hand up to be the number one ruckman for the competition. I did mention the mic was a bit dusty, so a bit off my game. Brisbane, Josh Dunkley, Louis. Excited?
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Absolutely, massively relevant. Was a gun at the Bulldogs where it was just a log jam in that midfield. Brisbane headhunted him hard. They clearly want to top up to try and win a flag. Josh Dunkley is their man. I predict that he's probably going to be at just about every single centre bounce, which is
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something we didn't see at the Bulldogs and he was still able to average upwards of a hundred and Go beast mode some weeks when he did get that lion's share of the midfield usage He will get the lion's share at the Lions and you know, I think
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He's someone that I'm extremely confident will definitely go above 105 and he could be a guy who pushes 115 and as a forward that's just so valuable and somebody that can get away from you and he's done it in the past at the dogs when he started a little bit cheaper. People have avoided him, unsure whether or not he'll get the midfield minutes and starts like a house on fire and all of a sudden you're trying to figure out how you can get this guy into your team as his price skyrockets up.
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Not too often you have a captain option in your forward line. Yeah, for sure. I'm with you there. Ah, Fremantle getting Jager O'Meara. Go back to the Fremantle man. No, let's go to Stado. He's shaking his head. Let's go to him. What do you reckon, mate? No relevance there. Does he affect anyone incumbent at the club or does he help them in any way?
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Speaker
Yeah, Andrew Brayshore's, because I know there's a few people keen to start him as well. Yeah, look, I don't think it affects your Brayshore and Sorong whatsoever. I think he just comes in, plays the same role that David Mundy did, takes his CBAs, and I just think he's there. Is that, once again, a bigger body to help protect Sorong and Brayshore?
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Speaker
And Will Brody as they hunt a flag, I don't think he's going to affect too much. He's not classic relevant. I can't see Brayshore, Sorong and O'Meara and Brody all averaging like 95 plus, but you might be able to slide him up the draft boards a little bit. I don't think he'll be as bad as the 80 he put up at Hawkes last year.
00:24:04
Speaker
I just put in the draft doctors that I think Will Brody will be a regression candidate just with time on ground, probably dropped 10 to 15 on his average. But I don't think he's relevant as a salary capper anyway.
00:24:21
Speaker
Gee, it's a bit cool for Brody. That's more of it, yeah, for the draft owners out there for Will Brody. All right, last one here that we've got on our list. Apologies if we did miss any big trade targets that you want to talk. Just hit us up on the socials at Pod Pod AFL if there's any players we missed. Geelong getting Jack Bose. I know there's been some interest in this group about a bit of Jack Bose. Louis, are you one that's interested?
00:24:45
Speaker
I am interested mate, he's shown a capacity to score even at the Suns. That being off the halfback flank and in the midfield for a couple of years he has been sort of earmarked to become a midfielder. He hasn't quite snuck in there.
00:25:01
Speaker
Look, the early word is that that's the position he wants to play at Geelong. We do know there's a hole in there with Selwood retiring. So Bose, if he has a good preseason, could certainly slip in there. I think he comes in priced around about what we had a George Stewart as last year. So one to definitely monitor the preseason. And if he does have that role, and like I said, he has shown a capacity to score, he could be a nice, easy pick that we do get down back
00:25:32
Speaker
All right, well, I think that's all the trades we wanted to go through. We've already gone 20 minutes, but we've got, you know, we've got a few things left to get through, but I think that was important because we hadn't touched on anything to do with the trade period. Obviously, it's a big part of fantasy, looking at guys in new colors and like we said, guys that can benefit from those players leaving.
00:25:51
Speaker
Just quickly on the draft, any thoughts on this? Look, I know we don't want to talk about stuff that we don't know too much about. I don't think many of us kept too much track of the preseason or draft at all this year. There was a couple of names that interested me that sort of got the D listing. I think Connor Blakely was one that snuck off to the Suns, another man to, unfortunately, be buried under Stewie Jew at the Suns, but a guy that could be relevant at a basement-type price.
00:26:20
Speaker
Apart from the Ashcroft, who we know is an absolute fantasy stud, was anyone caught your eye so far, even if it's just a cheeky training pick with a pair of pipes so far? Shout out now.
00:26:34
Speaker
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00:27:09
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00:28:04
Speaker
All right, let's get on to the next subject we had. And there's a bit of a talking point around this, the new kind of changes to those bench rules. Did anyone want to have a vent on this? Kyle, leaning forward immediately.
00:28:22
Speaker
Now no vent mate but I think once again it's just going to highlight the real need to be quite thorough with your rookie picking. I know I got burnt last year with picking rookies that might have been right on the cusp of that 22 and then if they do end up being the sub
00:28:38
Speaker
you know, they come on for a very, very low score and all that cash gen is ruined and they might end up getting dropped anyway. So that's the fantasy killer, unfortunately. If you do have those rookies on your bench and they come on for a low score, they're essentially ruined because they've got a low score in their price for that three-week block. So that's the only issue I see at the moment. Boys, anything else to add?
00:29:00
Speaker
I suppose it depends on when we hear the news, whether we're having the rolling lockout or we have the permanent lockout as of Saturday morning, which I heard it might be. So rolling over the Thursday, Friday and lockout for the Saturday, because the challenge in there is actually finding out who is going to be that sub.
00:29:25
Speaker
So knowing that before you finalise your squad is so important. So there might be a little bit of a trick when you're going one up, one down in picking your Thursday or your Friday night game, depending on when they are, whichever round, is to ensure that you're actually picking a rookie that's coming in that is actually playing as a starting 22.
00:29:51
Speaker
Yeah, for anyone living under a rock as well, I don't think we've really said it. Stato, what is the new rule?
00:29:58
Speaker
Well, basically we've got a medical sub without having the medical clause. So it's back to the old red vest, green vest. So effectively you're going to have four starting on your bench and you're going to have a fifth one available that you can call upon any time. So there may be strategies, but as we know, coaches, if everyone's fit, likes to use it in the third quarter. So generally, if everyone remains healthy,
00:30:27
Speaker
it'll be a case that your players are generally going to be able to get at least the first half away, because having that fresh legs or all the change of game plan in the second half,
00:30:39
Speaker
is probably the most important time a coach can use it. God, it's going to be some absolute bullets this year though, in that sense, like just something's going to go down a few times. It's going to be interesting. Okay. Let's talk about something else that we just want to touch on quickly and it's the fixture.
00:30:59
Speaker
Any major takeaways from the early fixture that's been released? I think this year, I mean, as time sort of closes in closer to the season, it's something that I mentioned probably the last few years and never have taken on my own advice on it. I think I really want to kind of
00:31:15
Speaker
look into at least the early part of the fixture a little bit more and make sure that I'm with my value picks and stuff that I'm picking to make sure that they do have that that good early fixture to go on but I know Stado you've got a you've got a bit of a takeaway which you mentioned before about Team English I think it was but as well if anyone else has a takeaway but Stado
00:31:38
Speaker
Yeah, I'm really hot on Tim, to be honest. But my little drama with that is whether he's actually starting. They've got Melbourne first up with those two-gun ruckmen. Is that something we take on boys and just go, well, he's there and is strongly likely to be in the top two rucks?
00:32:01
Speaker
I think there will be a lot of talk about that matchup in the lead up to the game and he's got plenty of time to prepare for that sort of tandem duo so I think he'll be hyping himself up a bit certainly would want to get a good game on the park against those two and
00:32:19
Speaker
Look, if he's going to be the number one ruckman, maybe he wants to announce himself a little bit. I wouldn't be too concerned about it. Obviously, if you think he's going to be a top two ruckman and you're going to hang on to him for the year, then you're still saving a trade. So is that worth the cost of that? I'm not sure. But for me, I'm not worried about it.
00:32:41
Speaker
Yeah, and in the corresponding game last year, yeah, we know Grundy wasn't there, but he did have a 125 on Max Gorn to begin the season last year. And I think if you play that game where you don't start him for that one game and then all of a sudden round two, you have injuries and you can't pick him up and he gets away or something like that. So if you're hot on him, you think he's going to be a top two ruck for the whole season. I think you just lock it away and hope that he gets away to a good start.
00:33:08
Speaker
And just on just on the fixturing, if we cast our minds back to round one last year, round one just usually just is a little bit bizarre. Just things don't always go the way that you think based off of a preseason and the season prior. So things are up a little bit in the air and it's hard to get a read on these things early. So in terms of worrying about round one, I don't think it's high up on the list.
00:33:36
Speaker
Fair. Um, I dunno, I've just always, I've always seen like, maybe it's, maybe it's just quickly noticing trends rather than looking at the fixture pre round one, but trying to notice trends early enough to sort of jump on the good fixtures early, I think is, I dunno, maybe I'm overthinking it. Stano overthinking it.
00:33:57
Speaker
Yeah. Can we just mention one thing? Us going to having 16 buy rounds is just absolutely magnificent. Or is that just a wishful case and it's only four? Is there any new buy round strategy that we're going to have a new buy round strategy pod with the Stado this year? Is there any differing strategies already entering the mine?
00:34:22
Speaker
I've already booked in some time in my Christmas holidays to have a really good, hard look at that because, yeah, I'm loving the four rounds, which in effect we've had before and Holmes made that point that when Gold Coast, sorry, when Port Adelaide had the relationship and playing games in China, we effectively had four buy rounds through that period.
00:34:49
Speaker
I think we're all going to have to hit up Adelaide for a pod pod reunion. What do you reckon in the gather round? Yes, let's the pod pod gather. Surely. All right. I had here that the salary caps announced at $15.5 million for the season. Spreadsheet nerd, Kyle, any thoughts on this one?
00:35:14
Speaker
Nah mate, everything just goes up in proportion so I'm not, all I've really heard is that it's looking likely that the basement price rookies will be 200k and Cadman being the number one draft pick will probably be 300k so those are nice clean numbers but until we know how the magic number works and how the spread of all the scores line up we don't know whether that extra salary cap is good value compared to years past or not so not too much to add there.
00:35:40
Speaker
All right, we're touching on some DPPs now. We are just smashing through all this stuff at the moment. Not too much to go, really. Just having a nice little chat to start off, dust off these mics and get to a bit. DPPs, we've talked about a few here. Dunkley and Toronto, we've already said we're pretty keen on. These are the guys.
00:35:57
Speaker
keeping or gaining these dual position player status. So Connor Rosie was one that I was pretty certain was gonna lose it based on his end of season form, but really did spend a little bit of forward, a little bit of midfield time. Louis, plenty of interest in Connor Rosie this year.
00:36:17
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. I had interest even as a midfielder only. The fact that he's got forward status is just super great for fantasy coaches who want to pick Conor Rosie. He's only young, maybe 22 or 23, coming into his prime off a best and fairest year. He's obviously going to have the role as there's a few older heads in that port midfield. And let's be honest, he's probably
00:36:42
Speaker
proving himself to be the best midfielder in there at the moment. So the fact that he is forward is an absolute gift and we'll definitely have to watch him closely in the pre-season. I think he will be an extremely popular pick in the forward line as he has been for the last couple of years as coaches wait for him to break out. Next player, Stephen Canilio, I want a different opinion other than the statos. So Kyle, are you on board much like the Statesman is?
00:37:12
Speaker
I was actually listening to Stata on the draft doctors on the way to work this morning and it sort of piqued my interest a little bit and I think we have to be very interested in cogs if we're being honest. The fact that Toronto, Hopper and Bruin have all gone out, we know that they're going to be a developing side and they're going to put some young guys through there but surely cogs just have to be a mainstay in there and do a lot of the heavy lifting which is
00:37:36
Speaker
You know, we we know he's been a 110 guy in the past and yeah, we don't know what kind of game style Kingsley is going to bring to GWS, but he tackles well. He generally hits up for that short kick and he gets dangerous forward. So you'd think that he's got upside and you'd think he's just a player we can lock away pretty safely unless unless GWS fall away and they're quite uncompetitive. But even then, I think he's going to be a pretty safe pick to go 100 plus. Yeah, as a forward, that's gold.
00:38:05
Speaker
I don't know if I'm sold yet on Canelio. I'm going to need to see. I'm going to need some pre-season out of Cogs, but he's been a fantasy star in the past. So it used to be one of my favorite early picks. It was just that weird patch, that Amazon doco times almost coinciding with some weird form. Darcy Cameron ruck forward.
00:38:27
Speaker
Statesman any interest now that Grundy's officially out of the pitcher obviously played a lot with him. Sorry without him last year regardless, but Getting that ruck forward status An option up forward or rock Yeah, it certainly is you got to be interested in him because firstly the role is
00:38:48
Speaker
And secondly, he's got the dual status. So you can actually have someone in the forward line that's a fair chance to be top six, but also is great cover for your ruck in case something goes wrong. Yeah, look, I reckon Darcy Cameron will be the most talked about fantasy player this preseason. I think everybody's going to have an opinion on him. Everybody's going to have their thoughts. And let's be honest, everybody's going to be watching him extremely closely with that DPP status.
00:39:18
Speaker
He's essentially priced at what Tim English was last year and Tim English kind of went under the radar but having spoken to James and Matt who came first and second last year, they both started Tim English and it proved to be a very good pick. So the fact that he's got that ruck forward status but he's going to be predominantly in the ruck you would think with Dan McStay coming to Collingwood, you would think he can push into the 90s quite comfortably even with a bit more upside considering this is going to be the first full pre-season as him taking on that number one ruck position.
00:39:50
Speaker
Damn. A few players that are probably more likely to be point of differences and might not even be on you guys radar, but I reckon I've heard Finn McRae come out of your mouth already this pre-season. Louis, am I right in saying that? Yeah, he tears up the VFL. Whether or not there's enough opportunity for him, I'm not sure. I think there might be a couple of selections who are going to come in probably about 100k less than him that
00:40:18
Speaker
We'll score sort of on par with him, but he's certainly one that you'll want to track because obviously he comes from some pretty good fantasy pedigree with Jack McRae. But yeah, like I've said with a lot of these players, we'll watch them in the preseason and then we'll be able to get a clearer idea of how they're going to perform.
00:40:40
Speaker
Yeah, 23 disposals, a couple of marks, six tackles in the VFL, averaged 92 fantasy points for the Pies VFL squad last year, available as a mid forward, one to watch. Andy McGrath, defender, mid. Now there's already been some news. We love a bit of early season news out there. There's some news from the new coach, Scott, that he's probably looking more likely to play a bit more of a defensive role. Down back, he does have the defender mid status. Does this kind of,
00:41:10
Speaker
maybe tempt you a little bit from Andy McGraw knowing that he's not going to have these weird kind of inside roles where he struggles a little bit or are you not interested as him as a defender?
00:41:21
Speaker
Nah, personally, not for me, mate. The only time he's been fantasy relevant was in that weird COVID season where he went into the midfield and he was averaging sort of that 95 to 100 adjusted and all those other times we've seen him as that sort of mid 80s guy in defense. So he is priced at 82, but he would need to go, you know, probably 95 to push the top six defenders and
00:41:43
Speaker
We've got Doherty, we've got Sinclair, we've got Dawson, we've got Stewart, we've got Brayshore. We've got a lot of guys that are actually going to push that 100 mark this season, I think. So, personally, I'm not going to look at Andy McGrath, but you are right. He's going into defence and it should be a bit more of a cushier role under a new coach compared to what he's been doing with those defensive jobs in the midfield.
00:42:04
Speaker
One player I reckon who's been in a lot of these people on this podcast teams in the last couple of years, strangely enough, Zach Bailey, he's got mid forward status again, rightly so. He's had that mix, but I just wanted to mention him here because
00:42:20
Speaker
Is there some scope that he can sort of take it to the next level this year? Do you think, Lou, I know you've had him in your team in the past. I think most of your selections was due to you thinking he might get some more midfield time. But do you think now that he's going to get that silver service delivery from the likes of Dunkley as well as Neil in their midfield and McCluggage, is there a way he can kind of take it to that next step and be the kind of Toby Green guy up forward for them? That's who I think his player comparison is. I think he's the next Toby Green.
00:42:50
Speaker
Yeah well I don't disagree with that but what we've seen from Toby Green as a forward is he's more of a 90s guy and I don't think Zach Bailey, that's going to be enough for him and there's obviously not going to be enough space in that midfield. Out of Josh Dunkley, Cam Rayner will continue to improve you'd think, plus all the other guns have got in there like McClugage.
00:43:15
Speaker
So now I think he's probably one that we just sort of let float around in that sort of F maybe 10 to 20 range. He might get on a run, he might get on a run, but I don't think he's any good for this season. Going to need your spreadsheet for this one. Kyle Nat 5 mid forward. He's surely coming in pretty cheap for us this year. Is there any scope that he can get back to some of his best? Already some pre-season picks out there of those shredded pipes looking pretty immaculate.
00:43:45
Speaker
I don't think he's going to be someone we pick in classic this year because he's going to be priced in the low 80s because of how the pricing system works, but I can almost guarantee that Stado might pick might pick him in Supercoach knowing that he's a lot cheaper because of that that pricing system and we know that's the game he plays these days but No, I think
00:44:06
Speaker
If we take away what Joel Selwood did with Geelong this year, he became very much a role player and it was fantastic for Geelong and I think that's what Nat Fife needs to start to do for Freo. I think he takes a backward step, he lets Brayshore, Sorong, O'Meara, Brody, those players do the grunt work in the midfield and he just becomes a role player. So I don't think he's going to have the midfield time to put up the mid-90s numbers that we need him to.
00:44:33
Speaker
It's a note in that fife as much as I love him and he's been such a good player in the past. Stado, there's too many options for us to consider Mark Blitzarves in our ruck, isn't there? Mark Blitzarves mid-ruck, by the way.
00:44:49
Speaker
Yeah, you're right. There is. And also because they've got other options in their ruck. If he was the number one ruck for Geelong and you knew he was going to be number one ruck all the time, you should consider him. But at the end of the day, no, it's a miss. Move on.
00:45:07
Speaker
Yeah, it's probably the biggest regression candidate for me anyway. Tanner Bruin, we've mentioned mid forward. Last but not least, Harry Himmelberg, defender forward, keeping the dual status. I know a lot of people jumped on at the end of last year. I see a few heads shaking on the call here. Louis, was yours one of the heads that were shaking for Harry Himmelberg?
00:45:32
Speaker
Yeah well he's training as a forward so I think that immediately just puts a line through him for next year if that's going to continue. Obviously we saw that he started to score last year when he was moved back into defence floating around but he's just not going to be able to find enough ball or kick enough goals as a forward to actually warrant selecting him.
00:45:56
Speaker
Now, I'm just going to throw it around. Those were the DPPs that we wanted to discuss. Like I said, we got so many players to talk about during the season. I'm not going to go through these next players individually, but I just wanted to know, was there any players that missed out on DPP that disappointed you? I'm just going to give my one and then I'll throw you each for your one. Mine, surprisingly enough,
00:46:16
Speaker
Will Phillips losing forward status after not playing a game last year and only playing three VFL games and barely probably playing in those games as well with glandular fever is an absolute travesty. I wanted him as a basement price forward this year. He's a mid only Will Phillips. So I'm devastated. Kyle, did you have anyone that sort of missed out on the bracket that you're a little bit upset by or surprised by?
00:46:42
Speaker
I'll go really vanilla, so the big three defenders that we had last year, so Jack, Chris, Jaden Short and Lockie Whitfield. Everyone's come out on social saying they're happy Whitfield's mid only so they don't get tricked into picking him, but I'd say there's been big on that as well. But he would have been someone that I looked at, especially if he can get back to his best.
00:47:03
Speaker
Yeah, those three players are going to make it a little bit more challenging for us to pick our defenders this year as those three have been mainstays for at least the last sort of three seasons.
00:47:14
Speaker
Yeah, on a serious note, Gus Brayshaw holding defensive status as well after playing a more midfield role to end the season, not even having dual positions. So obviously kept under the thresholds there. But Gus Brayshaw, if he's playing in that midfield mix, if we see even a couple of preseason pictures, I mean, you guys mentioned they're going to get silver service all day long from Gorn and Grundy in the midfield. And Gus Brayshaw as a midfielder is just an absolute gun. So he's a guy that I'll be looking at even D1 probably for me.
00:47:45
Speaker
When Gussie Brayshell went into the midfield late in the season, did Petrarca spend a lot more time forward? Was he more of like a 40% CBA guy? I don't think so. He was spending a bit of time forward, but I'm not sure how much of that was just management headed into finals. It was tough to say. Did he have any injuries, Louis? Christian Petrarca.
00:48:13
Speaker
seem to recall something about some soreness, but I couldn't fact check that off the cuff right now. I can literally check which games. So here we go. Round 22, 46% CBAs. Round 23, 34.
00:48:28
Speaker
And then the finals, 63 and 44. So it did kind of drop off a bit, considering here was, yeah, high 80s for the first 10 rounds. To Kyle's point, in the lead up to Gussie, Brayshore playing midfield, this is Patryka's CBA percentages. 81, 59, 80, 88, 83. And then Gus Brayshore jumps in, and it went to 57, 66, 46, 34 to finish the season, whilst Gussie's kind of went the other way going up.
00:48:59
Speaker
If that's consistent, if Petrarca does spend a lot more time forward because Gus Brayshaw is in there, then we could be getting Christian Petrarca as a forward round six, which would be quite, quite delicious. How good is our forward line going to be this year?
00:49:18
Speaker
It's going to be ridiculous. I mean, I know we're talking pre-show about how many forwards we could start, but look, we're already talking about blokes who could potentially pick up forward status. And if you do have too many forwards, how do you get those gimmes in around 6 and around 12 and around 18?
00:49:39
Speaker
We might have to be a little bit cautious on filling up too early, even though there is a bunch of options. But, you know, it's going to be hard to warrant trading out. For example, somebody like Connor Rosie, who's going, you know, between 95 and 100, which would generally be top six forward material for another guy who's going 105. So we just might have to be wary of that.
00:50:04
Speaker
is defence our toughest, toughest line that we're looking at in the moment. I think it's rucks. It's always the rucks. I just don't think there's a lot of value in defence. Like there's not a lot of players that are sort of jumping out that could have that sort of five to 15 point upside and push the top six. They all seem pretty fairly priced. So you're kind of taking the punt on someone to
00:50:28
Speaker
maybe hold their value and maybe go up a little bit rather than having that big upside. That's just the way I see it as well. Louis, have you looked at the defenders much? Nick Daikos, the player you're looking for, Cole.
00:50:41
Speaker
Yeah they're all players who are relatively consistent so you know we're talking about Tom Stewart types who generally fall somewhere between 90 and 100 and that's just what they're priced at. There's no real standout besides a Sam Docherty who you could quite comfortably make a case for regression. Obviously he's gone but when you come in price at 110
00:51:05
Speaker
You know, there's not a lot of ways up and there's plenty ways down. So, yeah, I think that's going to be the position that's a little bit tricky to pick. We do have a couple of mid prices which may fall in our lap, that being Christian Salem, Jack Bowes.
00:51:20
Speaker
and maybe Elliot Yeo if he can stay fit but I think yeah defence is going to be one that we have to watch extremely closely and I guarantee you that some of the better teams certainly early will nail that defensive line.
00:51:37
Speaker
Alright guys, I think we've had a big chat. We're at the 50 minute mark as we say we're just going to have a short potty so hopefully not too much of a sign of things to come. But no, I enjoyed having our chat. It's been fantastic. Let's just finish off with one thing that we're looking forward to or one thing that we've kind of got on our radar heading into
00:51:56
Speaker
2023, maybe something we keep an eye on on pre-season, anything you like that you've sort of got your eye on this pre-season. It's obviously very early, still pre-Christmas. I'll just go around the circle. Kyle, what have you got?
00:52:09
Speaker
This might shock the listeners knowing how much of a set and forget man that I am but I'm desperately looking and hoping for a serviceable R2 option to come about just because I'm very unsure about how the top two rucks are going to play out this year and I would love to be able to start for the first time in a long time a cheap R2 with the Darcy Cameron forward backup option to have a little bit of a different go at fantasy this year so that's what I'm looking forward to.
00:52:39
Speaker
Louis, what about you? I really want Tara and Thomas to come good. He's going to come in priced just over 400K and we've seen what he's been able to do in the past. There's good reasons for why he did struggle last year and the early word is, I know he's got a broken foot at the moment unfortunately, but the early word is that he might be deployed off of half back where being a little bit of an outside player, he should be able to find plenty of the footy.
00:53:07
Speaker
And just to stay on brand, I'm pretty keen to watch Toby McLean and see how he goes. Yeah, for those that weren't behind the paywall last year, Louis was mentioning this on the show to end last season, maybe three weeks to go. You've had him in your team for that. Before he got a game, yeah.
00:53:28
Speaker
Only the mid status? Was he one that just has pure mid or was he? No, no, he's got the forward status. He maintained that. So slightly lower risk if you want to pick him now. But by my sort of rough calculations, he'll be under 400K.
00:53:43
Speaker
Yeah. And with Josh Dunkley going, that's probably something we didn't mention on the other side of things. And Locky Hunter too. And Locky Hunter. So a couple of spots opening up in the Western Bulldogs midfield that we didn't kind of touch on this show. Plenty of time left for that. Stado, what have you got? What are you looking forward to or what have you noticed?
00:54:00
Speaker
I'm looking forward to testing my stamina with these very fit young men that I'm podcasting with week in week out to see if I can keep up with the 24 ab pack apparently the homes he's got and of course
00:54:18
Speaker
I'm actually looking forward to loading up the midfield and the forwards, so get all those big scorers in and see if I'm going to find some bargains in defence and really hit the scoreboard running early to take the doubters away from the old man tactics. I'm looking forward to a Stado bounce back, if we're being honest. It's been too long. I want to be in the top 10 with you again, Stado. If we don't get a bounce back, I am worried
00:54:46
Speaker
you might retire on us. We might never see you again and be like losing my grandfather. So please. I just want to mention on the cars 12 pack by the way, just one last thing on it.
00:55:05
Speaker
wouldn't have known it had he not brought out his phone and showed us all a picture of his fine workout that he was doing to produce this 12 pack. So thanks for that beautiful image Kyle. I'll always remember that mate and we'll have to show maybe you'll be able to show the statesman when he comes over for gather round. The one thing I'm keeping my eye on this bloody pre-season
00:55:27
Speaker
is the Gold Coast, you'll be surprised to know. I just want to know if any of their players are going to be relevant. Literally any of them. Obviously, Tookmill was a staple of many teams last year, but one of the worst currently fantasy scoring teams and quickly becoming the Richmond of a few years ago where
00:55:46
Speaker
We can't really look at any of them apart from those top one or two. I'm just looking to see if they tweak their game plan at all and if we actually can find a few bargains or like I think it's going to be, we're just not picking pretty much any of them. I'll tell you what, I'll be avoiding any pre-season height from the Suns until early season, but that's what I'm looking forward to or looking forward to not looking at.
00:56:11
Speaker
All right, everyone. Get on, Thomas. Get on, Thomas Berry, mate. He'll be priced at about $32. Yeah, Took's not a top eight mid further, either, Doss. Keep it up, mate. Yeah. Another one of my beautiful calls. And Connor Blakely. All right, wrap it up. Wrap it up. One to us. All right, don't forget. Move on. Enter pod pod, pod pod, the code pod pod, on the keeper league site if you want 20% off your membership.
00:56:39
Speaker
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