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Three Beautiful Anarchists walk into a bar... w/ the Reality Czars!
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Nate and Thomas from Reality Czars do us the honour today! What a fun and wide-ranging conversation with these two incredibly intelligent and very down-to-earth gentlemen. Be sure to check out their podcast for some of the finest guests and content in the podcastsphere.
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Transcript
Exploring Flat Earth Beliefs
00:00:00
Speaker
the concept of infinite land within the flat earth sort of like theory sphere, you know, or can you call it as a theory sphere when you talk about flat earth, but, but that just
00:00:11
Speaker
Yeah, the very concept of an infinite plane essentially, right? If flat earth was an infinite plane, to me, that version of infinite is no less remarkable or miraculous or supernatural than the concept of infinite space or infinite life or infinite dimensions or any real world version of infinity, especially with something when it comes to land, like land you can travel on, land you can
00:00:39
Speaker
go and get a truck and just start driving. And if it's truly infinite, it means it would just never end. And to me, that would be so mind blowing that that almost itself would be like example of God or example of some kind of an infinite omnipotent sort of force if there truly was infinite land. But I mean, we haven't been able to find anyone that believes in it enough to have like a deep conversation about that.
00:01:07
Speaker
Well we've had we've had a lot of interesting flat earth guests on and I'm talking about that one very specific aspect of it there because I know that that's what's way more niche than just saying flat earth or it's like flat earth or asterisk. Well see it's it's it is niche as fuck right so it's like like even the guys that like believe in Tartaria and shit
00:01:29
Speaker
like they'll believe in a lot of the shit about Tartaria, but then you try to like nail them on. So you think that every mountain is a building that melted and then they start going like, well, I kind of think so. And then you try to like explain this and then they, you know, it's one of those things that's hard to like fucking prove. Like I love the idea of infinite land in like endless continents. How the fuck are you ever going to prove that?
00:01:55
Speaker
What does everyone mean? It's not even about proof. Let's say it's like enormous. You just you like you can't never ends. So you're never going to prove it because you're just going to keep going.
00:02:07
Speaker
Well, and honestly, infinity, that's why I'm saying like infinity itself, if you could show an actual real world version of infinity and not just like some mathematical theory, because every version of infinity that we know of is really just a theory. It's like a placeholder for an abstract concept.
00:02:25
Speaker
You know what my thought is there. You know when you look at the sort of the the freemasonic square and compass. So maybe Earth is not infinite. Maybe physical reality cannot be infinite. Maybe only God or the divine or spirit can be infinite. So the
00:02:45
Speaker
The square represents the four, I mean, there's many layers to this, but if it represents the four corners of the Earth, it's something that's finite measurable. Whereas the compass representing the circle, you can never know the area of a circle given that you're using pi, which is an infinite
00:03:08
Speaker
You're not wrong, man. You're not wrong at all. It could be that maybe the physical realm is not infinite. God is infinite and through us, God gets to experience its or his or her infinite-ness or they or they or whatever the fuck. So maybe, I don't know, I love these philosophical thoughts, but maybe that rabbit hole, you know,
00:03:35
Speaker
will lead to nowhere. My personal opinion is that the physical realm is not even physical. We are some type of soul or whatever the being that we are experiencing ourselves, and clearly we're coming back reincarnating multiple times.
00:03:56
Speaker
We are in another place, it could be a local place, just a different dimension. We are experiencing this realm and this realm is possibly some type of holographic projection because if we're what we're being told about elements, atoms and so on, it's mostly space, it's mostly empty space. So everything is like electrical, it's waves, it's fields.
00:04:20
Speaker
I don't even think this is a physical reality. We are just, because we are inside it, we experience it as such. What do you think?
00:04:30
Speaker
I'm honestly, I'm bored with you, Christian. I do believe in a version of that where it's just like the infinite is just experiencing itself and we're just kind of like the little tendrils or the little nerve endings in some way, you know? But I also think that the philosophical version of this too, just like that version of infinity and infinite land can't
00:04:52
Speaker
Can exist in this sort of like a normal discussion because it represents something else just like you started out with the square in the compass where. The square represents a perfect ninety degree angle that you could apply to basically rough ashlar at the free masons take a rough ashlar break and then turn it into a perfect ashlar cube.
00:05:13
Speaker
And that's impossible because you're talking about platonic solids at this point. You can't really make a perfect 90 degree angle in our reality because there's it depends on how far
Infinity and Human Perception
00:05:25
Speaker
you zoom in, right? You zoom in far enough. Now, all of a sudden, you notice it's not perfect. Just like that compass that can make, you know, it's representing a perfect circle. But again, you zoom in far enough. Whatever medium you put it on, if you're doing ink and paper, right?
00:05:40
Speaker
just the texture of the paper absorbing that ink if you zoom in close enough it's not a perfect circle so these these concepts are real like a circle's real and a square and a cube are real but the perfect versions of those can't be real it's just it doesn't exist in this reality even a perfect circle because of the infinite infiniteness of pi you cannot actually know the area like if you take
00:06:03
Speaker
a diameter, what was the pi r squared? If you take a radius of one and you apply the pi r squared, I think that's the formula, you were only ever going to get an approximation up to however decimal places you decide to. This is why the pi, I don't know if you know about Marty Leeds, he gets into his books and his YouTube videos about pi and all this number stuff in geometry. That's why pi is such a fascinating number and you know, phi and all these other,
00:06:34
Speaker
it's so fascinating because like any i sometimes like i look at like pie like a long ass page just start looking at it where is the pattern here like this is literally if it was random there would be more
00:06:49
Speaker
of an ability for someone to find a pattern here. God was like, no, these fuckers are going to be scratching their heads over this one. I mean, we've had supercomputers working since the fifties trying to figure out pie, you know, to this day, they're going an overload. And as far as I know, they've never found the end of it. And they've, and it's not even just about finding the end, but about finding a pattern. And just like you mentioned,
00:07:13
Speaker
we still haven't even found a pattern yet. Although with all of the crazy advancements in AI over just the last week, last month, last year, it does seem that all these huge AI programs that have 20 billion, 30 billion plus parameters
00:07:31
Speaker
Maybe they like, maybe it's not about calculating pie anymore. Maybe now it's about taking all of the numbers that we've got and trying to find a pattern that maybe we're just not seeing. I don't know. It's, I think that's a really interesting topic too. Cause that, that might be another just representation of infinity. Someone found some quirky little formula, just kind of like fractals too, right? Like the, a fractal you can keep
00:07:55
Speaker
scaling it in one direction or the other and it retains these patterns, but it never ends. Like you never come to an end of it. And yet it's always unique. It never really necessarily like one, one to one replicates itself. So I think these are just like little glimpses like anomalies, right? Like little like cheat codes that someone found. Yeah. I mean, that's got we're like, just like you said, like the tendrils, we are those fractals.
00:08:23
Speaker
I don't know it's it's pretty amazing dude I mean that's why I honestly don't get caught up too much on questions like is there a flat because I don't even know if this is any of this shit is real you know just gives my eyes I look around like you talk about you know like homeboy that like can't trust his eyeballs
00:08:41
Speaker
Yeah, we're in a car. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sitting here. I'm like, it looks pretty goddamn flat, but I don't know what we are. I don't know what we're doing. Like, you know, that part fascinates me is that people that put stock into not just their eyes, but you know, you know, for a fact that we've talked to someone that when they say the earth is flat, they mean it from a very physical, literal point of view, not from like,
00:09:03
Speaker
like a metaphorical metaphysical, you know, angle. It's, it's like, nah, like it just keeps going. You could just walk forever. Um, and then you would just hit like walls, but it's, there's no curve and yada, yada. Yeah. But I feel like those aren't the serious people. I don't know. Like flat earth Dave seems pretty serious. And that seems like a very physical, literal interpretation of flat earth, not a metaphorical one. Well, okay. Yeah.
00:09:33
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Yeah, I don't know man. See, I get caught up in it too where like, I love the idea of Flat Earth. We have tons of Flat Earth listeners and I love that concept and idea. And I think the thing that I like the most, because I'm a weirdo, I think that in my universe, how things work, it's very Earth-centric.
00:09:54
Speaker
I think we are the most important thing in the universe. I don't believe in aliens. I don't believe in... You're a little biased, of course. I am, yeah. I think humanity is the most important thing. I think that this was created by God and that we are in a perfect realm.
00:10:11
Speaker
We are. We're in the Goldilocks zone. Why do they call it that? Because it's fucking perfect. And it's like, oh, it's just a coincidence that all these things just work out just the way they need to be. No, this was created the way that it needed to be. And I think that probably the sun and the moon and all the stars and everything rotate around us.
00:10:31
Speaker
move around maybe this way, maybe not this way, because we're not, if we're not a circle, I don't know, you know, and it's, it's just fascinating, man. So that part of flat earth, I can really get down with because I am like, full, you know, I'm a Christian. So like, I throw that out there. That is my bias. I believe in a God, I believe in a creator. And so that's, that's the way the universe works
Health and Medical Skepticism
00:10:53
Speaker
in my head. And I can't ever tell anybody that like, this is 100% true. This is just how it makes sense to me. Yeah.
00:11:01
Speaker
So I like that aspect. No, as far as like, I don't I don't know, man, because that's the whole that's a whole crazy thing. So because you can never get like a whole group of flat earthers to agree on. Okay, so what's the model? What are we so that I will say that 90% of them, the ones that are really serious that I think that aren't like government startups, they don't think that we're just like a flat pancake.
00:11:28
Speaker
stuck in the middle of space, which is where the infinite land comes from. So then it, yeah. So then like the plane is infinite, which is, it is fascinating. And so to me, that just more, that's my favorite part because it almost, unless there's a third option that either of you two know about, but it's either it's an infinite plane or there's an actual edge, right? Or is there like another version where it wraps around on itself?
00:11:55
Speaker
This is what makes me think it might be one of those things where as far as the eye can see, let's say, we know that exists, right? Because your senses can perceive it.
00:12:12
Speaker
And it's like, uh, when you, when you look at, yeah, honestly, that's where I would, I would already start the argument there. I'm, I'm saying that your sense it, the senses of a human being is so low quality. We are such like a low fidelity sensory perception thing. But, but you can, if, if one thing is for certain, is that if you can see a mountain, right? Far away from you, it's probably there. I don't believe that.
00:12:42
Speaker
You mean that it could be a projection of your own mind? That's why you can't trust it? All of the above. It could be a projection of your own mind. It could be a specifically designed frequency that's hitting your optic nerve in such a way. It could be a projection that's not just a hologram, but a thing that is just projecting into your specific
00:13:03
Speaker
Iris you know your cornea like just beaming it directly to you just like you could have like targeted harassment where they can sort of like vibrate your inner ear or Shake, you know your molars together and now only you were hearing a voice I really do think that that human we're gonna find in the next hundred years for sure that humans are the easiest things to trick and especially if we think it's coming from our own senses all of a sudden we've give it all this credit in the world, so
00:13:30
Speaker
Obviously Thomas is the paranoid American And I love this but like for me I have to like exist in some form of reality Even if it's like I can't maybe we won't even agree on reality, but I have to live in my own reality
00:13:44
Speaker
So if there's a beautiful woman here, and she has a big set of titties right here, and I can see them, and I can reach out and feel them. It's real enough for me. Shallow how bro. Remember that movie? Shallow how? Exactly. So it has to I have to agree on something.
00:14:01
Speaker
Just to keep my sanity thomas is all out in the wind he's just like bucket bro none of us real birds are faking gay i have a structure i have a structure to it though but yeah i mean i guess i'm just saying that if if we were actually just out walking around and said oh there's a restaurant i'm not gonna sit there and say
00:14:19
Speaker
that's not a real restaurant it's a mirage let's not go towards it obviously if you say there's a mountain out there but if we're actually in sort of a some kind of like an end world situation or some kind of miraculous or project blue beam scale type thing happened or the government admits the the earth is flat the second that that kind of reality and like a major
00:14:40
Speaker
You know just like perception in general changes worldwide at that point I might say like I don't know if that's a mountain out there And it wouldn't be a world shattering switch for me to make because I already kind of think that way I just for convenience don't debate whether or not I'm walking towards a real car
00:14:57
Speaker
Thomas, let me ask you, though, what about the moon? How do you reconcile that we only ever see one face of the moon? And when the sky is dark at night, you can see it's almost translucent. You can see the parts where the craters are, whatever those lakes are, whatever.
00:15:16
Speaker
Because again, if you're referring to your eyes and what you see, you see less than like 0.3% of the visible light spectrum. So to give yourself that much credibility that your eyes are giving you the truth. We're talking a basic difference between night and day. It looks the same. Everybody, every single photograph taken of it is the same during the day and during the night. And it's always the same face of the moon. So how do we reconcile the fact that we only ever see one
00:15:45
Speaker
face of the moon. I'm not even, you know, at least all of humanity for our past recent history that we have photographs and stuff, we can only see one sort of side of the moon. So how do we reconcile that?
00:16:04
Speaker
I honestly don't follow close enough to know the mathematics of how that actually happens, but I would counter it by saying if it's a projection or if it's fake, then why wouldn't they just change it up so that that question doesn't exist anymore? So I blame it more on like an actual natural phenomenon that forces the moon to face in a certain direction.
00:16:27
Speaker
Um, versus it's, you know, it's fake or it's simulated because they can just, they would simulate it better. I think it's more likely that it's a fucking simulation that it is just like a computer hologram up there or I don't know. It could be some sort of weird spaceship, a big hollow hunk of metal up there. But I think it's like all or nothing, dude, like either everything's a freaking hologram or everything is more or less real. I tend towards that, that all of this is fucking made up.
00:16:57
Speaker
But then why just the moon? Why would just the moon be all around? Yeah, you're right. But for convenience sake, I have to agree that this is like I'm drinking out of a wide mouth mason jar and that this is real and that I'm putting some molecules in my mouth from hydrogen and oxygen that are fused together to fucking rehydrate my body.
00:17:17
Speaker
even if this is all fake and gay, and I'm actually in a computer simulation, this is like, we're in SimCity. And this is like a code that I have to put into my body to keep my simulation going. Yeah, we're talking the same language for sure.
00:17:34
Speaker
I don't know. It's fascinating. What are your thoughts on all this, Chris? Bro, this is the thing. It's like this sort of, when I used to read more into Buddhism and Zen and stuff, when you are a student of Zen, you come to a point where everything is
00:18:03
Speaker
Unreal, it's magical. The mountains aren't mountains, the sky's in the sky. It's just this almost psychedelic trip where you're finding yourself and making sense of this reality. And then when you mature as a student of Zen, the mountains again become mountains and the rivers become rivers and the sky becomes the sky.
00:18:29
Speaker
And then if you ask an older Zen master, what's the meaning of life? What's the purpose of all of this? Or what's your secret? Or what are your biggest secrets? And he'll tell you things like, when I'm hungry, I eat. When I'm tired, I lay down and sleep. And I chop wood. I carry water. I've met older people than me in my life sometimes where
00:18:58
Speaker
Sometimes I'm like, is this person sent from God or spirit or whatever here to teach me something? Because they seem to have this profound wisdom that is veiled in simplicity, almost like a
00:19:15
Speaker
Just like even my granddad. He was a very smart guy. He loved the books. They wanted him to become a priest. He was like a village boy. He was so smart and only the smartest dudes back in the village in Bulgaria would become priests. It wasn't like a Catholic priest and shit. They were actually cool.
00:19:38
Speaker
but he never went that way and but he was simple like in terms of everything you know like just down to earth you know so
00:19:49
Speaker
I feel like we can philosophize about a lot of things, but we have to draw a line at some point and say, in order to construct a model of reality so that we remain sane, we have to have a consensus reality between ourselves. We have to agree, if we want to meet the dislocation, we're going to use these roads, the roads exist, the cars exist, the petrol, the gas exists. So at one point in time, we have to almost take a leap of faith
00:20:18
Speaker
faith and say Okay, space is faking gay for sure but you know the earth definitely like this realm definitely exists and It might not be it might not be physical. It might be holographic It might be a simulation, but I am in it. I'm a participant. I'm a player in the game So I gotta play the game. So it's like we gotta play the game. Don't we? That that's my bit of wisdom with the titties
00:20:46
Speaker
Yeah, it is like, I mean, I've, I've gone down, I mean, I've done a lot of psychedelics, I've gone down through like mental gymnastics, where I sit there, and I'll just sit there and fucking pontificate and sit there and try to extrapolate all the different ideas. And it does, it does come back to there is wisdom and simplicity, you're like, okay,
00:21:05
Speaker
that all of that might be true but I'm here right now and I'm in this whatever the simulation is and there's rules to the simulation and I can keep like questioning them all but it doesn't get me anywhere and so within the rules what can I do like and so we are here and so we have to somewhat agree to yes we are inside this video game maybe
00:21:30
Speaker
And what are the rules of this video game? And then I think that's where you can get the furthest, I guess. I mean, that's what psychopaths do, right? They're like, all right, this is this video game world that we're in. How do I, like, what cheat codes are available? What exploitations are available? What can I do? And so, I mean, that's the psychopath way to look at it.
00:21:51
Speaker
Yeah, I think that there is there has to be an agreed upon just to get through the fucking day. And I kind of hate that too, in some ways where it's like because this world is so broken and so disgusting that you feel like it so you I think that you do have to choose your reality to some degree. And there are things that are foisted upon you like the whole idea of just like,
00:22:13
Speaker
the fucking day-to-day grind that the government puts on you and that everything costs money. The whole idea of clean water isn't even a fucking right for humans to survive and things like that. It might not even exist. The concept of clean water at this point might be like a platonic solid. It exists in theory, but no one's ever going to see it in real life. It's true.
00:22:39
Speaker
Yeah, it's fascinating. So I mean, you do in that way, I think you can choose your own reality. Like I choose to be philosophically, I'm an anarchist. Practically, I'm a fucking I'm a minarchist, right? Like I have to keep paying my taxes or else a man will show up with a gun and point it in my face and put me in a cage. Totally agree with that.
00:23:01
Speaker
I think there's a paradox here, too, though, because just like you guys and we all admit you have to agree on some sort of like sensible reality just to keep sane and just so that we can all talk the same language in one way or the other. Right. But going back to the flat earth topic and this is my one of my favorite aspects of it is that
00:23:22
Speaker
Once you start dipping your toe in a flat earth, one of the first things that you have to give up is that all of conventional science and education is just a complete fabrication and a lie and almost like maliciously planted as known lies to misinform and misdirect people. So, but I would say that's the same thing here.
00:23:43
Speaker
But that's what I'm saying is that it's like, if you have to agree on a consensus for reality, it's the same thing here. For me, you don't see that's where I say you get to choose your reality. So we're all here on this, like, I would say the baseline simulation, we're on something.
00:24:01
Speaker
We're living here. We need to put food in our mouth. We need to put water in our mouth. We need to poop. We need some sort of shelter. Unless you believe in the sun staring, right? Like if you can just stare at the sun and get all your nutrients from that.
00:24:16
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, but I mean, I'm only half kidding because that's a different reality. So this is like, this is reality. Then what I'm saying is like, by choosing your own reality, there's like, there's a government, but I can choose my own reality. I can go to Canada and deal with their bullshit government. Like that to me are different, like,
00:24:36
Speaker
Flavors of reality that you can choose and so like by what you're talking about as far as like governmental and questioning the science and questioning all these Like concepts it's the same reason why I choose not to get a fucking vaccine even though every single fucking doctor on the planet almost and Every single fucking scientist will tell you that this fucking vaccine was good for you. It's been tested. It's approved It's safe. It's effective. You need to do this or you're gonna kill your fucking grandma you piece of shit
00:25:05
Speaker
What are you, an anti-social piece of shit? Yes, clearly. Fuck you.
00:25:11
Speaker
Bro, I'm sorry. I just want to, before I forget, I couldn't find the, with a cursory search, but there are, you know, the periodic table of the elements, right? So I saved, it's probably on another computer. I saved one. It's a Russian, basically periodic table of elements. And I just, apparently there's a Wikipedia article with alternative periodic table. So there's different people,
00:25:38
Speaker
came up with different ones. But this Russian one, I had saved the whole website where it explains the rationale behind why it's different periodic table of elements. But if you look at the Mendeleev's one, the periodic table of elements that we learned in science class in the Western world, there are some fucking gases that have a higher atomic number than metals. So
00:26:04
Speaker
I have not looked into it much. I was never really good into chemistry. I only started getting into chemistry like recently, and I'm too old, I guess, to fucking internalize these things very well. I'm not an expert on it, but how in God's name in the natural world can you have gases that are heavier, they have a higher atomic number than metals? I personally don't know.
00:26:29
Speaker
you're losing me on this one because I'm a cook. I was never a chemist. Like I actually I was probably 15 when I first learned how to like cook crack. But if you told me to I can I can make you crack. But I don't know. Yeah, we will talk after. But I don't know like chemically what I'm doing. Yeah.
00:26:50
Speaker
But it's fascinating, isn't it? Because there's definitely, and we knew, okay, so I personally have a great interest in health and by extension of that, obviously I've been reading about medicine. And one thing I heard from some smart person in the health spaces, when medical doctors go through medical school,
00:27:17
Speaker
There, this is one of the very few disciplines where you learn your force fed the current paradigm without learning much or any of the history of how we go there. So, you know, in science class, oh, you know, Galileo, you know, Aristophanes, you know, mathematics, you learn about Pythagoras, all these guys, but with medicine,
00:27:41
Speaker
We don't learn a lot of this. So when you actually look back into a lot of these guys, Isaac Newton and so on, obviously they were part of the club. So I am certain that a lot of what we're told is horseshit. So a lot of people's entire assumptions about reality, like all these guys that, you know,
00:28:03
Speaker
When covid started they were all about like lab leaks and it was no viruses even exist right that you know this is your conversation yeah if you're if you're an open-minded person you have to. You have to be able to have the conversation now i know a little bit more about health and other subjects so i can talk about science and engineering and gravity and like fucking.
00:28:27
Speaker
Propulsion devices and rockets, but there's clearly fuckery going on there if you you know, if you look a little bit deeper. So with the whole medical thing, dude, I think that's fascinating. So there's a couple things that I want to touch on the whole idea of the periodic table and I would.
00:28:45
Speaker
clearly think that they would occult certain things. Like, I don't think that every element is up there. Because why the fuck would they give us like, why would they tell us about all these shit? There's things that they don't want us to build. There's things that they don't want us to know. So I stay in this situation, though, the Illuminati, clearly, your t shirt, Thomas.
00:29:07
Speaker
No, I mean, I think that there's like, yeah. Anyways. Nikola Tesla found a new element. You don't think that he would have disclosed that. And there would have been others like him that would have disclosed. Wasn't it Donald Donald Trump's grandpa that took all of Nikola Tesla's
00:29:24
Speaker
After he died, it was crazy. Yeah, yeah. That's fascinating. That's, that's another conversation. But as far as like the medical, like you're talking about how they don't really give us the history of their stories of like these medical doctors. It's because most of them were fucking quacks and like snake oil salesmen. They were like, Hey, rub this on your cock, it'll make it big.
00:29:45
Speaker
You know, they were just they're a bunch of liars and freaks and they still are I think the majority of doctors just parrot the stuff that they were taught by the Rockefeller medicine because before this before Rockefeller medicine got involved there were some like witchy like like earthy broads that would be like hey come here and try this tincture this tea and Some of this stuff was like very beneficial some of it was helpful some of it probably wasn't some of it was probably like passed down like tradition period blood and like some like boiled fur pine and
00:30:15
Speaker
Yeah, rub it on your goose and then your your foot odor will go away. You know, that sort of thing. So some of it was bullshit. But then what happened is the Rockefeller medicine, they got involved and they're like, okay, now we're gonna have a baseline for everything. That's a whole petroleum based medic medication and things like that. And they started like a culting, like old knowledge, taking it what was useful, what wasn't hidden, hiding the rest of it. And they started saying like, they started taking over colleges, they started doing that whole establishment.
00:30:45
Speaker
Of like they started giving tons of money to this fucking college But only if you're going to use this accreditation system and you're only going to teach what we tell you and it's It's a through that the medical system. So why in the fuck would they want to point back to anything? They want to hide that as much as they can Because that has to take over exactly but it's but it's not like Rockefellers owned the periodic table like that's a global
00:31:11
Speaker
like international global sort of standards that it spans. I guess I'm just saying like certain things like the fundamental elements that we know of. It feels like those ones would be too big, too broad. I hear what you're saying Thomas.
00:31:31
Speaker
Yeah i heard whistles i think we also know that the rockefeller's that they didn't have their hand in just building the current medical industry that also the educational industry with car and what it's one of the same honestly cuz yes when i talk about accreditation and certifications that only happens to academia.
00:31:51
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Exactly. For example, you can still fish out old pictures from the late 1800s. So when cars started becoming more popular, there was more electric car companies in, I believe, 1890 than there was fucking petrol or gasoline cars. So we could literally
00:32:18
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literally right now we could there is most likely free energy methodologies to extract free energy from the ether whatever else water so they clearly like you like you say in a day or count that a bunch of stuff that they didn't want the plebs to know so they could profit and and you know I mean like obviously I'm preaching to the choir here you guys know this stuff inside out much more than me I'm sure but you know we can't we literally once you learn certain
00:32:49
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lies, you just can never trust anything again. Of course, you have to be careful because when they know that, for example, they know there's a subset of the tinfoil, hat-wearing conspiracy theorists, they know that they don't trust anything. So then that can be used against you. When everything is a psyop, that's the psyop. So that can be used so they can divulge truth and then
00:33:17
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you know, we will debunk it or the conspiracy researchers will debunk it. They will find ways to debunk it. So you're always finding looking for holes. But sometimes it's like even a broken clock is, you know, writes twice a day. So I'm sure that, you know, there are probably a few steps ahead of most people. So but point being is you can never angle us carrots here or there. Yeah, you can't trust anything. You can't trust anything. Like I love this one where like
00:33:45
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They were talking about putting in a, like a bio-illuminescence, like I don't remember where. Anyways, did they get that from jellyfish or some shit? They took this enzyme, right? And it was, it was bio-illuminescent under certain conditions, under certain lights. And they were talking about putting that inside of your like vaccine, right? So that like, yeah. Well, that to me is the funny part where they call it luciferase. And that's the dangling carrot because then all,
00:34:14
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because then all of a sudden it says Lucifer in it. And then the patent number, it was like blah, blah, blah, 0.666, you know? And they do that shit because then they know that like some conservators come up, Oh my God, you see that 666 Lucifer.
00:34:30
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And then and then it makes us all sound like crazy assholes when they're not talking about like hey why in the fuck are they they're literally talking about putting like glow in the dark bullshit in our fucking so they can tag us and backs us and they can sit there and like track. I mean devil's advocate.
00:34:46
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Devil's advocate, like it might be called that since Lucifer means the light bearers. So it's, it's, you know, it's phosphorescent. So yeah, like light in Spanish and Portuguese. So it's almost like the, you know, the guy that gets outraged is like, Oh, they're, they're injecting Satan into my body. Like that dude was going to get angry about something for whatever reason, regardless. I don't think anyone needs to make a name just to mess with.
00:35:13
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Conspiracy theorists like at this point conspiracy theorists wind themselves up. They don't need any like fuel to add to the fire It's like like the eternal flame almost
00:35:22
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Yeah, maybe not even once. And I started looking at man's bulges. I swear to God, it was the blood light that did it to me. Maybe, you know, maybe we give them too much credit that they're maybe they don't give a shit, dude. Like when you were so powerful, imagine you were like, but wouldn't it be fun to fuck with us? I think about like, what if you're an infinite being that's floating? Like, let's say you die.
00:35:52
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And you're freed from this meat suit, and you're allowed to free and explore and have fun in this fucking realm. What the hell is Poltergeist? So then a ghost lowers himself to come down. There's a bunch of schoolgirls playing with a Ouija board. And maybe it's just fun. I get to fuck with them.
00:36:10
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I throw the board or I knock over something and freak them out. Or I say something really fucked up to them. Maybe some of them, they lower themselves. Maybe those are the names that we know. Someone like Klaus Schwab or something. Or Bill Gates loves to fuck with us.
00:36:29
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Like he likes to say, he likes to give those little dog whistles where you're talking to Ted talk and be like, yeah, of course overpopulation is the biggest issue and the biggest problem. So I want to save lives by giving people vaccines. You're like, what?
Nutritional Health and Chronic Illness
00:36:44
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How we'll solve overpopulation is by saving lives with vaccines. So we're going to go into the third world and start giving them out.
00:36:51
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And it doesn't matter if you agree with me or not, because I'll just release mosquitoes and they'll bite you. So it's not like you have to sign up for it. Oh, you're a hunter and you want fresh clean meat because we started vaccinating cattle. Well, we just released a bunch of vaccines and the wild population of deer and elk too. So you're going to get it. Yeah. That whole, that motherfucker where he's just like, you know how we'll solve vaccine hesitancy, we'll just start putting it in the food.
00:37:16
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Yeah. You mother fucker. It works. I mean, they find solutions that work for them. Winning, hashtag winning. Yeah. Bill Gates is killing it. What do you guys do to get clean food there in the States? I know it's a little bit harder. I go to McDonald's. I don't know, dude. It's hard.
00:37:38
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Like I'm also poor. So it's like, it's like to eat correctly. You have to jump through a bunch of hoops, but like you can't even trust organic anymore. So the best thing that you possibly can do is I live in Oregon and it's a fucking bread basket. It's fucking beautiful out here. You have to get to know your neighbors. Like you have to know like, like what would be the best thing?
00:38:01
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is go to your neighbors that you know that you trust that don't vaccinate their animals. You buy like a half a cow at a time where you like go in with your friends and you like buy a whole cow split up the meat. That's the best way you can do it. Know where your chickens are like
00:38:17
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you know your neighbor with their chickens, what they eat, and then you consume their eggs. Like that's, that's the best thing you can do. And the most affordable thing you can do because you can't even really trust like, Oh, you know, the biggest supplier or biggest like distributor of organic foods is Walmart. Well, I'm going to trust all the organic food in Walmart.
00:38:38
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For sure. I mean, I live in, in a, in a large city in Orlando, so I don't have the neighbors with chickens and cow. I mean, they, they exist like an hour drive away. There's some voodoo chicks that have chickens. But I'm just saying like, yeah, the way that I forage is you go to the frozen section and see what's buy one, get one this week. That's basically, that's the shopping procedure.
00:39:01
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Right, right. It's hard, dude, like, I mean, through some of my research, you know, just looking at the amount of stuff that is put in the food there, I don't know how, like, I'm actually, I'm almost surprised how resilient the human, the human is, because with all the- As I'm drinking a rockstar, keep, keep talking.
00:39:28
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It's like with all these fucking jobs these kids get by the time they're whatever, two, three years old. Like, I'm surprised more people don't have fucking chronic or immune conditions and, you know, everything else, you know? Well, we're kind of leading them out at this point. Well, sort of, but also it is exponentially growing. It is pretty fucking nuts, dude. Like, yeah, like my wife has pots, which fucking sucks. You know what that is? Yeah.
00:39:58
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I couldn't tell you what it stands for, like pulmonary artery, blah, blah, blah, blah, something, something, something. But like essentially her heart has a hard time like regulating the amount of beats for something, right? So like she might be laying down and her heart rate might be fucking racing or she might be like running and it's gonna be like, like slow, you know, sort of thing or after she eats or does some like physicals, anything can like get her heart fucking,
00:40:26
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going nuts, like up or down. And so that clearly affects her energy levels, does all kinds of things like limits her in all kinds of different ways, almost to the point of like fainting and things like that. And it's one of those things that like, this was most likely a symptom of this was a vaccine injury. And how long has she had it?
00:40:54
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She's about like, I got 12 or something after she got like a series, you know, a vaccine. I think we tried to pinpoint it like, like when she started feeling those symptoms and things.
00:41:07
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Yeah, you know, we had a friend over here and we're talking about the, obviously it was around the COVID times. We're talking about the vaccine stuff and I gave them some good books and she was pregnant at the time, but she has diabetes type one, which is, you know, most people get it when they're under nine, under nine, 10 years of age. And she, during our conversation is like, you know what?
00:41:33
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When you think about it, it kind of happened after a vaccine, you know, that kind of way. So a lot of these things that are later, that happen later on in life, like asthma or autoimmune conditions and stuff like that, the genesis
00:41:49
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of those for sure is some type of toxic exposure. It doesn't actually have to be a vaccine, but it's one of the most dangerous things because, you know, it goes directly into the bloodstream. It's not like you ingest it through food where it has to go through your gut. And there's a ton of there's a ton of ways for the body to protect. You're not allow. Yeah, you're not allowing your body to protect itself at that point. You're just giving all of the faith over to whatever is in it.
00:42:16
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So this is why I'm actually a little bit like, I don't wanna get overly emotional because it's not a productive thing, but this sort of shit makes me really angry. When you have kids like in the States, it's what it's 170 or so doses that they get by the time they're three or something like that, it's like 100 and something. It's insane, dude. I was curious if you knew this because I have a friend, it's pretty woke on this type of topic,
00:42:44
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but she, and she says, okay, she's like a lawyer, brilliant, brilliant woman, uh, on the level as far as like truth or smart knows all this kind of shit. It's a Masonic reference. Is it truth or on the level? Yeah. On the level. Ah, there you go. Okay. Um, I'm, well, I'm clearly,
00:43:06
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Yeah, everyone do it. I'm one of you guys. One of us. One of us. Look, I'm also drinking out of a mason jar. I'm one of you guys. Google gobble, one of us. Oh my god. A mason jar. Nice. There you go. Okay, it's confirmed.
00:43:31
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Uh, but what I was going to say is this lady, she is like, she travels internationally and she travels a lot. And so she was always worried that if she didn't do anything to like protect her son's immune system, that she would like catch some weird shit, bring it home. And so she actually spends a lot of money.
00:43:48
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on like fancy vaccines that don't have all the same immunogens, I guess, or like, like all the heavy metals doesn't have any of this kind of shit. Okay. I have no fucking idea. They're like, there's some sort of like fancy holistic hippie, homo prophylaxis or something like that. I don't fucking know.
00:44:05
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I know there's some homeopathic vaccines. That's the type of thing that she's talking about. And so and then she's with that though, she's very selective, like she's not going to get him everything. And she just gets him what she thinks are the most important sort of things. And I mean, I with my little one, I don't do any of it.
00:44:34
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How old is my little one? He's a year and a half. He doesn't, he's unsnip. I mean, he's, yeah, there's no sniffing. He doesn't have a single poke. He is a, I mean, we're not even cutting his hair or his fingernails a single day. No, no, I mean, I did. Unfortunately, he's got the little curls. Yeah. So, um, year and a half, that's about the age of my daughter. Like, uh, what month was he born? Uh, Jennifer.
00:45:04
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April, April 10th, no, that's my oldest, October, yeah, October 4th, I think. All right, we're September, so they're close, very close in age. Yeah, dude, like, listen, dude, there's no need for that shit, dude. Even, I'll tell you, even those, these homeopathic vaccines, homeoprophylaxis, to be honest, I haven't looked into them, but we actually went to that homeopath that apparently does them,
00:45:32
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last week, Friday. So a week ago, we went to this homeopath tooth. And quick little aside, I have this very old, not very old, but like 30 year old book on homeopathy. And the guy that wrote it in the book is British. He said that the Queen of England, Queen of Lizardbeth, she at that time had three, up to that point, three different homeopaths were taking care of her. So if it's good enough for the fucking lizard people,
00:46:02
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There's probably something to it, right? So this guy, listen to this, this is going to battle. That old bitch lived a long time. Long time. Also drinking baby blood is very nutritious, probably. Don't get Thomas started on that. How long has he got some to share? This is going to blow your mind, dude. So we went there to this dude, this homeopath. He gives you this rod, metal rod, to hold. And he has this machine. So my wife went first.
00:46:32
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and he got a lot of things right. I'm like, shit, this guy's, I'm paying attention here. So anyway, it was my turn. I'm holding this thing and I'm there like, don't make stupid jokes about Scientology and measuring for thetans and shit, or that episode of it's always sunny in Philadelphia.
00:46:51
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Yeah. Where should I put my feet? I'm like, shit. I was literally like, shit, I probably shouldn't cross my legs. I should put my feet on the floor. I don't disrupt the signal because I also have like these metal fucking bracelets and rings. So I took all that shit off. Anyway, this bro is like, he starts and he asks you assertive question. He's not like trying to guess, you know, do you feel like you're a sensitive person? Are you tired in the mornings? No, he was like,
00:47:16
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You have mercury amalgams. I'm like, shit, yes, I have four of them. He's like, OK, he does some other things. And I asked him, how? Because when he presses, so you're holding the rod in one hand and he presses in the other hand, he presses your finger with with the other sort of metal bit and the machine goes.
00:47:38
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And this, I'm like, because when he was doing it for my wife, I'm like, how are you asking the question before the thing goes? It's like, he points to his head. I'm like, okay, so it's like an intention type thing. And this whole thing is called bio resonance, right? Because we have fields upon fields in the body. So
00:47:58
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This is where it blew my mind. So the guy says, you have metal fillings. I'm like, yes, I have four. He recommended a biological dentist to get those extracted. I've been meaning to do that for ages. And here's the next one. He says like this, but you have another metal in your mouth.
00:48:18
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So at first I was like, no, but maybe you're picking up cause I broke a leg about 10, 12 years ago. I have a boats and plates in my, my right leg.
00:48:30
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He's like, oh, it could be that. Some German guy, you know, he's like 79 years old, fucking perfect skin. And it then, like a minute or two later, fuck dude. Two months ago, I got implants. I got two titanium implants. How could he know I have another metal? He was like, you have another metal in your mouth. So he told me that, and he does like other things, like he inspects like your chakras, your aura, like food sensitivities.
00:48:59
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And, but how the fuck did he know I have, he could bullshit about everything else and guess, and because you learn to read people over time and stuff as a therapist or a clinician, but how the fuck did he know I have another metal? So he told me, when you have two different types of metal, it's like how a battery works, you start getting a charge between them. So there's a electron flow. So the softer metal starts to get melted. So he's like, you got a shitload.
00:49:28
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You have a lot of mercury. And I've done hair testing before that my mercury levels are pretty damn high, but I did a lot of detoxes over the last five years. But this guy's like, no, there's more. So this stuff, bro.
00:49:46
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I would go to a guy like that any fucking day. He gave us some homeopathic things. He told us that he sensed through his questioning the body through this bio-resonance field, he sensed that underneath where we live, underground, there's water currents. These water currents, they basically, it's a form of geopathic stress.
00:50:09
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It basically drains your energy. So crazy shit, but he recommended you put a quartz crystal in a glass of water under the bed with a little thing that says neutralize on it. And apparently the quartz crystal sucks that energy into it and the water holds it. So you change the water every two weeks. So he said that will help with this energy. And so I have a book on the subtle body and all these fields this morning. I actually started reading that book.
00:50:39
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with my morning coffee. And they exactly talk about this concept of if you have currents on the wall. And funny story, where we live, the cul-de-sac, it's the name has well the farm with the wells in the title. Fuck. So how do you know how he he knew that? But like, I'm pretty incredulous about this. He's a pretty scientific minded about health stuff. But you tell me how is this this fucking guy knew this stuff, right?
00:51:09
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It's pretty wild, dude. I don't know. I mean, I had a I had a lady do this crazy fucking screening on me not that long ago. Did all this wild stuff. She knew all kinds of shit about. I don't know, man. Yeah, you could say a lot of it. You could try if you're trying to do devil's advocate. Right. You could you could explain a lot of it away. But then there is those. Yeah. Thomas will write this interaction that you had with this man in a minute. Yeah.
00:51:36
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But yeah, man, it's absolutely fascinating. And like, well, we were talking to, you said you were listening before we got started, you were listening to the Sean Hibbler episode.
00:51:47
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And he was very much talking about extracting those mercury fillings out of your teeth. He says, almost solved every problem that you have in your body. That is pretty fucking fascinating. And I probably should get those yanked out of my head, replaced with something. I mean, dude, you got a lot more biological. If you look for a biological or holistic dentist in the States, I'm sure you'll find a lot more. There's literally one in the whole of Portugal.
00:52:12
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So there's a lot of hippies here for sure. Yeah. So you're lucky in that sense. And there's, there's a lot of problems. In fact, I'll tell you, like I've talked about, talked about this before. Um, there's metals or in general, the minerals have anthropomorph, anthropomorphic qualities. And I have always had a cookie personality, you know, this mercury actually
00:52:37
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Give because if you see how mercury behaves you take droplets of mercury. They're very like this is very bouncy, right? So every metal every mineral has a certain quality is like aluminum soft It makes people soft in the head. It's associated with Alzheimer's dementia Lead is again soft and
00:52:55
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It's associated with low IQ in children. And iron is brittle. People that hold a lot of iron tend to be easy to slide very quick to anger. And you can keep going like with selenium. It's a shiny, sleek, strong metal. It gives a sheen to the personality. It's a little bit more esoteric, but there's a lot of it based in science because
00:53:17
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Is there any good metal that I should start grinding up and snorting or something to make me? Well, that's the thing. The best source of metals, be they essential minerals or whatever, is from cooked vegetables, animals, because the plants take
00:53:40
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just the fucking minerals and they turned them into different ions and whatever. Again, I don't understand the chemistry aspect of it, but they take
00:53:51
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they extract these minerals from the ground and they convert them into a form that becomes bioavailable. That's why you can't just, if you're deficient in chromium, just lick some fucking chrome plate at something or other, and it's not going to solve your problem. It's going to cause toxicity. So you have to, we need to, actually going back to the breatharian stuff, I personally think that maybe in a different age, in a different evolution of
00:54:19
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humankind. Maybe we were bertherian at one point because the air is predominantly nitrogen and when you're eating meat, protein, what you're getting is amino acids which are basically a source of nitrogen
00:54:37
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we can arrange, once we have that nitrogen in a bioavailable form from the protein from plants and animals, we can actually, a lot of these amino acids, we can synthesize and change to suit our needs and certain ones are essential. So it is conceivable that we could have, back in the day,
00:55:01
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you got your sun, you got your water, you got your nitrogen in there. And we are alchemists in many ways, like the human body does take things and transform them into conjugates things. So I don't know, I'm open minded to it. Yeah, I'm definitely open minded to the concept that it's possible.
00:55:20
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And I do like that idea that at one point we were able to make the sunlight bio available to us, and we were able to absorb things that we need from the sun. Because I mean, essentially, that's what we're doing in a very crude way. We need sunlight. So how do we get that? We're sitting there, we're consuming plants that have already absorbed the sun. We're getting our energy from it. So it would be an interesting thing if we were able to directly tap into that. And I bet it would be a pure source.
00:55:48
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Holy shit would we would we glow would we be able to fly would be able to levitate I don't I don't know it might be fucking really neat cuz I I interviewed this dude like an eye expert eye doctor and he he kind of got me on to sun gazing a bit more don't do it often enough.
00:56:06
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Um, but he said that some of the light, when you do sun gazing, some of that light, it goes into your eyes, you know, and like it, like the energy, it goes to your organs. Like I haven't listened back to that podcast in years, but I have to re listen to it. Um, dude, there is literally something about this though, that someone was talking about just the other day. And this is hard to do. This is hard to do because especially if you live in a neighborhood, but.
00:56:32
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If you're able to it's like because like people are making jokes about how Donald Trump is like Hey show your asshole to the Sun like get a little sunlight on your asshole and paint balls and stuff But if there is something to that like if you're able to expose your genitalia to the Sun for like a certain amount of time every day or
00:56:52
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Like they've done clinical trials with it where your testosterone goes up like 700%. And goddamn do we need it because I was just reading another fucking study where 17 year olds today have the same, on average, the same testosterone level as a 70 year old back in 2000.
00:57:16
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It's fucking nuts, dude. It's just, it's landsliding right now. All the hormones that they're putting in water, all the like the phenol, like, like pseudo hormones, right? That are in plastics and different things like that. And it's also culminating. Yeah, all these. Yeah, exactly. It's just making, and we're wondering why like a fifth of kids right now are questioning their gender. Yeah, yeah.
00:57:40
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it's
00:57:54
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And one, someone might say evolving, but I don't think that this is a natural thing. This is clearly being done to us. And this is a fucking experiment, transhumanist experiment to make us all weak little docile pussies that are very stupid and slow. Like, look at me, you have to fucking lower the IQ as low as you can go and try to fucking, try to make people just docile and good workers and obedient and get your shots stupid.
00:58:25
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And that's what they want. And it's working. They're fucking killing it. I've got the ultimate devil's advocate on this. Because honestly, on a lot of these topics, I understand the difference between bioavailability and just fortified nutrients, for example. But I don't think that that means that fortified nutrients have zero
00:58:47
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um benefit and that bioavailability and organic goods and only getting something through the only way is if you show your ass holding the sun that's how it absorbs the sunlight i'm i'm i'm with you on that one i don't think i'm on board with the uh the sun gazing aspect i think that your skin absorbing sunlight i understand that aspect but but taking in the full power of sunlight and uv rays directly into your corneas
00:59:15
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I think that there's probably, the jury might be out on that. Why is there so much about that, Thomas? They tell us not to look directly at the scientists behind us, Thomas. They don't want us to know the truth. Why do you keep saying, look both ways before you cross the street? Why is that how you get true enlightenment and you're just making me? I mean, I don't know. It's a funny conversation to go that route. You know, the thing is, like a lot of stuff
00:59:40
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Here's a fun fact, right? If your body is very deficient in zinc, it will take up cadmium because the body is so intelligent that it can utilize cadmium in certain enzymes and enzyme binding sites at much reduced efficiency. So the body is smart, right? If all you had, for example, if all you had was
01:00:09
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dirty puddle of water and you were dying of thirst, you're going to drink that puddle of water and you will live longer than if you don't, right? So what we are able to, like again, if you look at the different onslaught in terms of these endocrine disrupting chemicals, the plastics, the phthalates, the polybrominated dipheno ethers, all the flame retardants in the plastics,
01:00:40
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In spite of all the jabs and the terrible food and the poison, the water supplies and the air pollution, in spite of that, people are still living well into their 70s and 80s. So we seem to be extremely resilient and the body is incredibly good at detoxifying a lot of compounds. And certain forms, like for example, folic acid, which is marketed to pregnant women,
01:01:06
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It's a synthetic folic acid that when the body gets that, there's several metabolic steps it does to make it into the methylated form. So it's bioavailable and usable by the body. Certain people like me with certain genetic variations, it's bio unavailable. So taking that is actually harmful. But if I take folic acid, my body will still make some methyl folate out of that very little, but you'll still do something. So, you know, if you add,
01:01:35
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shitty forms of vitamins. If you take shitty forms of calcium, magnesium, your body will still absorb a fraction of it, but it always goes back to the cleaner and the purer, the less stress on the body. So when it comes to light, my personal, again, I have some papers to look into why sunlight is good for you. It's not just the vitamin D aspect.
01:02:02
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It's got to do with the diurnal cortisol rhythm with melatonin production. So if you expose yourself to sunlight in the morning, you produce more melatonin, you sleep deeper at night. So there's a ton of different things, but this infrared light penetrates your skin. Like I have an infrared or near infrared and red lamp.
01:02:20
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that I shine my balls with and this has been shown to penetrate I think half a centimeter I think it was into the skin so it's good for like penetrate obviously the balls or the thin skin so it does get into the there
01:02:38
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And I have, like, there's over a thousand studies cited in one book that I have. There is benefits to it. But with the sun, like, think about when we were hunter-gatherers, how long we were in the sun and now how much sun we get. So, dude, it's definitely bad. Like, we...
01:02:55
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I think a lot of chronic disease is because we are taken out of our natural habitat. So and we are then scared. Would you? Would you? I would make the argument that the first humans that started using fire consistently, they were using a new chemical process to convert a previous food source. So does that also mean that anything that's cooked with fire is no longer natural? Because that is truly humans chemically altering their food source before they consume it.
01:03:25
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I think there's a strong argument there. It's a strong argument for why our stomach and digestive system is so small because we learned how to use technology, fire one of the best technologies.
01:03:42
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to in order to precook our food so there's less expensive unnatural isn't isn't the fact that you just chemically altered something from nature before you consumed it means that it's no longer natural because it's not like a cow would just naturally cook itself for you at any point.
01:04:00
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I mean, you could say it's unnatural. Again, if we consider human beings animals, it's definitely unnatural. But I think there's clearly something that differentiates us from animals. But the fact is that we were
01:04:17
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We are in the sun much more, let's just say, throughout most of our history. And now we are inside. So there's a lot of biochemical, sort of physiological
01:04:34
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ramifications to that i think that that's kind of but like you know the fire thing dude i don't to be honest if i if i believed in evolution the way i've learned the guys to talk about fire and how we evolve this i don't believe in evolution. Honestly but from an evolutionary biology sort of answer whatever the fuck that field was called.
01:04:55
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It is unnatural, but fire is literally what allowed us to, you know, we had bigger digestive systems, smaller brains. The fact that we started cooking food, they say, is we pre-digest the food. It's easier to assimilate, you know what I mean? So then you get to use more of that energy to build a bigger brain and so on and so forth. But I don't, to be honest, I don't know how to think about it. It is unnatural.
01:05:20
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but it's clearly beneficial, you know what I mean? And there is another aspect to fire is actually the glow of the fire. It seems like we've used fire for a very long time because this near infrared and red light that I use, it in many ways simulates that infrared light that you get from the fire. So it seems like if that's beneficial for the body,
01:05:42
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maybe it could be an adaptation because we were every night by the fire cooking meals together being sociable and we were with fires for so long that it became sort of a an adaptation where the infrared light from the fire actually has beneficial effects for the body i don't know we can replace fire with microwave now though to remove that entire aspect from it.
01:06:06
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And if you sit around right in front of it and absorb that infrared from the microwave, I think it's interesting, man. That's actually you touching back into nature at that point. It's interesting, dude, because I get where you're coming from, Thomas. But I also understand what you're saying, Christian, because I'm in the same way where I don't necessarily believe what they tell us is our evolution. Again, now, this is something that I believe. I can't say that this is correct.
01:06:35
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But I think that we were created exactly the way we are on purpose to do what we were meant to do. Like, so I think that our stomach, because exactly what you're saying, as far as like, if you look at a chimpanzee, their, their stomachs are like enormous and they're bloated because they have to sit there. They have to like ferment the food inside of their stomach for it to like break down.
01:06:58
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shit tons of food like that. Or like a cow, like it has four stomachs because it has to go through this entire process to break it down. And so human stomachs aren't like that. It's like we were fucking designed to cook our food. Like we aren't animals necessarily. I don't think that we are animals. I think that we are separate. Again, this is a very human centric model. I'm a species, if you want to say that. I'm fucking racist against all other species. I think we're the most important fucking species.
01:07:25
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So fuck aliens and fuck anything else, fuck the greys. Sasquatch is cool though, right? Sasquatch is cool, but I think he's one of us too. Or he's something totally different. There's lots of theories about Sasquatch. You're the Sasquatch guy now, right? Yeah, we can do that. That's fun. But as far as that goes, yeah, again, I think that our bodies were
01:07:51
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Because I don't believe in evolution because Thomas like if we go real back because if we did come from like goddamn goo Like isn't that the most primordial isn't that the best thing that we can do? We need to just like roll around an ocean foam and just go like this like and then that's what the most natural state of being and that that's what we need to do like I don't know
01:08:11
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Honestly, I'm not an advocate for returning back to nature I truly believe and and I'm a dirty evolution is the things we probably did come from monkeys Because I would say like God didn't give Adam and Eve air conditioners, right that came from human innovation and technology and dirty Satanist Material world stuff that came right from the black Cuba Saturn, right?
01:08:33
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But I but I fully Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve But I guess I guess the the point the ultimate point is that to to discount Is it consistency? There's a purely a devil's advocate situation not not like a particular strong point
01:08:52
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but that to discount say fortified vitamins and minerals that come from your cereal. Like you see the videos where someone grinds up the Cheerios and they take a magnet and they say, ah, see that iron isn't good iron because you can see it with your eye and here's this magnet. But then to say, oh, but fire gets an exception. Even though fire is also human technology intervening with a natural food supply, introducing carcinogens, right? Chemically altering the very makeup of the food
01:09:21
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that one all of a sudden gets a magical pass just because it happened so long ago. What happens in 10,000 years after humans have been fortifying their food. So my guess cooking food is a natural technology is a human technology, but I say, but it's a fucking like there's always been lightning strikes and all of a sudden the fucking people weren't gathering around waiting for a lightning strike to hit a cow. And then being like, thank God, after all of these thousands of lightning strikes, they finally hit a cow so we can eat. And before now we had no food source.
01:09:50
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Who was the first guy that said, hey, let's chuck a fucking cow on that fire. I think, uh, what, what, what I understand, uh, at least from an evolutionary aspect, right. Is that humans, the reason we have, um, such strong gastric secretions, so much hydrochloric acids.
01:10:15
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which has like a pH of one to two, I think, in the stomach, is because for a very long time, humans seem to have been fucking, what do you call it? Hyenas and vouchers, what do you call those?
01:10:30
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scavenger. So carrion eaters. So that's actually a good explanation why we have this hydrochloric acid, which basically sterilizes the food coming into the body. But, you know, talking about fire, dude, I've done raw meat. I did eat raw meat for a while, like raw liver. Are you watching the liver king?
01:10:59
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No, no, I only heard about this guy recently, but I was doing this back in like 2019, late 2018. And I was eating like raw lamb and some cooked meat as well. But like, dude, I felt pretty okay.
01:11:16
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How bad was your diarrhea? And until I got the parasites, then, then, and then the cannibals showed up. I did the way I found out I had parasites was I did a hormone test. My testosterone was really bad, like fucking 60 year old man territory. And that prompted my mentor on the, you know, the functional diagnostic nutrition course that I was doing at the time he, the prompted,
01:11:46
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them to do, they asked me, they told me, you should probably do a stool test, poop test. Then I had some Giardia and some blastocystis protozoa. But my point there was, you can get by handsomely, handsomely eating raw meat, right?
01:12:05
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Until that one time. Well, but think about it this way, right? If you look at the Hadza, the Tanzanian hunter-gatherers, they kill a baboon. They're eating, they're passing the liver around, they're all digging in, and they've done microbiome testing for these guys.
01:12:26
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The point there is if you're from an early age, if this is your life eating raw meat and you're out, you're going to have a lot of helmets and parasites. But if you're exposed to it from an early age, you're out in the dirt all day long, you get a state of homeostasis in the gut. So it's all good. For example, there's this one.
01:12:46
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H. Helicobacter pylori, this is one of these bacteria that digs itself into your stomach and it has the ability around itself to change the pH around itself, so to protect itself from the stomach acid. It's one of the most common sources for gastric ulcers, gastric cancer.
01:13:11
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They've done research where if a child gets it before the three years of age, they have no problems with it. But if you get this through contaminated food or whatever, when you're older, when you're an adult, then it can become a problem for you. So a lot of these things back in the day, we
01:13:32
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We would have been fine, dude, if you just like, and that's the thing. If you could, if you could not cook food and you're out in the wild, the only two things you are going to be able to eat is fucking dead animals, raw dead animals and fruit. Very little leaves, plant stems seeds, because a lot of those are fucking toxic. Like look at a bean, look at like raw wheat. These things are fucking inedible.
01:14:00
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They will a potato like a tuber. So the only thing you'll be able to sustain yourself with. So if we believe a lot of the stuff where people in the north and the colder climates.
01:14:14
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All they had like, like the, you know, the Inuit or whatever the Eskimos, all they had was, you know, fish, raw fish, frozen fish, sashimi, and folks in the equator, they had mostly fruit all year round, different seasonal varieties of fruit. So this, these are the two things that we can eat. So it's very plausible that this is the, this is the human diet that we've been with always.
01:14:43
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Yeah, it's interesting, man. When you're talking about them passing around a baboon heart and shit, and then you bring up the Inuit, dude, you can find some pretty gory fucking videos of them like bashing a baby seal over the head, and then them like dragging it inside the kitchen. They're all sitting there sprawled out on the floor. With blood on their face. Yeah, blood all over their face, and they're just- Kids are laughing. Yeah, dude, they're loving it. They're sitting there eating raw fucking baby seal blubber, and they're like,
01:15:11
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And they start like hacking into it. It's pretty, and they're all just smiles and blood in their face and mouth. And it's, it's actually kind of touching and beautiful. Like they're all just like communally enjoying this meal. And it's gruesome though. It's gruesome, but I want to try it because it looks kind of good. The fat, the fat, um, in fact, like the saturated fat from an animal, it can take a lot of heat. It can withstand a lot of heat, but you can just eat a raw.
01:15:38
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Yeah, and you absolutely need it too. I mean someone was telling me this story which was fascinating because he's a fucking dork and watches a bunch of survival videos like you watches like this asshole that's in the woods for a hundred days by himself kind of TV shows, you know what I mean? And this guy they had to pull him out because he was able to like trap or like hunt and kill a deer and
01:16:00
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But this deer was so fucking lean that it had no fat and so he had no fat source And so he was actually like starving to death and he but he had plenty of fucking food He had plenty of meat this meat wasn't able to sustain him because he needed fucking fat like you body needs fat So it would have been much better if he would able to kill a bear or something I had to look it up since you mentioned it but uh in the way people
01:16:23
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Um, at least in, based on Canada's stats, they live 12 to 15 years shorter than a regular Canadian citizen. That's probably drinking out of plastic bottles and eating McDonald's. I mean, I don't know. They probably get diabetes because they also were all, so their bodies weren't meant for that shit. Like, cause I'm sure if you look at the native American, like a bean or like me too, we probably, we don't fucking have longest lifespan. Well, I would kind of cockroaches, Mexicans are cockroaches.
01:16:53
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But Native Americans and shit, which I am, I have some Native blood in this, our bodies weren't evolved, right? So let's say...
01:17:02
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Europeans are trash and they've been fucking like sucking like cow udders and getting all that milk and all this shit But like somebody over here their bodies weren't accustomed to that because it's fascinating when the European Like I think it was the Dutch when the Dutch discovered some of these like Polynesian islands They had these like a daunted they met these men and they were like a daunted so they were like six foot fucking ten like chiseled the hard fucking abs like sexy rock hard fucking like yoked out Samoan dudes and
01:17:32
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You been drinking a lot of Bud Light, bro? I know. Yeah, I've been checking out their coconut bulge. So these guys, all they would do all day is they would eat coconuts and eat crab and fish. And all they ate was coconut, crab, fish. And they were healthy as fuck. And then the Dutch, I'm pretty sure it was the Dutch. It's always the Dutch, the fucking Dutch.
01:17:52
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Dutch get over there and they're like, Hey, here's bags of fucking processed flour. And we'll teach you how to make bread with it. And they came back, it was like a couple years later. And like, like the women were massively obese, people were like dying, people were all fucked up, because we had introduced this new shit to them. And they were like,
01:18:12
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Dude, it was it was wild because anyways, it's fucking crazy. Our bodies were sometimes accustomed to a certain diet. And when you fucking through this like curveball in and our bodies haven't had the time to adjust to it, like I guess Europe is probably maybe they were the first ones to fuck around with that shit. And so their bodies are more accustomed. The white guys can sit there and like eat the eat the flour. It's not gonna hurt. Like look at the Italians. They eat the pizza and the pasta. And they're fucking fine.
01:18:40
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They're not just flour, but bleached flour and and sort of like unhust rice, like the truly white rice and refined sugar. All that. Yeah. Thank you, Europe. But, you know, that just speaks to the resilience again of the human. I don't know, dude, like when the ill resilience of those fucking I guess those Eskimos, they're fucking dropping like flies because they can't hang. Yeah, it could be so many reasons. Weak ass Inuits. We're going to get some mean emails.
01:19:10
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It could be so many reasons why they don't live as long. I think in the Western world, one of the reasons that life expectancy is so high is that we extend life unnaturally. And for a lot of people,
01:19:26
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The last 10 years of their life is just fucking torture on the medication. Dude, you're preaching to choir here. People are always talking about like, hey, I want to live to this long. I'm like, if, because I knew a dude in my hometown, he was surfing into his 90s. He would surf every fucking day, rain or shine. He put on the wetsuit and in his 90s, he was still fucking surfing and eventually died. If you're able to do that, fuck yeah, I'll live till I'm 90.
01:19:56
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But come the fuck up, I'd rather have my heart explode at 60 if I'm gonna feel like shit when I'm 70. I don't want the last 10 years to just let me die.
01:20:06
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If I make it to 80, my whole goal is then I'm going to start smoking. Then I'm going to start smoking crack. Might as well just shoot heroin right into my dick. You know, like, let's just have some fun. Let's get wild. Apparently, so apparently nicotine is one of the best new tropics, you know, like, uh, so it's just the way we get it in the cigarettes is not the, I actually have some, uh, wild tobacco seeds here. So I'm gonna.
01:20:36
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I'm going to try to grow my own wild ass. So I'm curious about this one. Let's say you go with like a, like a wint, like a pack of Winston's or something that's supposed to be a hundred percent tobacco. What would make that any better or worse than growing your own? Cause as I understand it, just the fact that you're incinerating tobacco, that's what turns into the formaldehyde and all of the, you know, like the 800 list of different chemicals.
Traditional and Alternative Substance Use
01:21:04
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If that's just the fact.
01:21:06
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Because i thought like literally like doesn't marble or a philip morris don't they add chemicals in that's why i mentioned wincy winston or one of the like the the hundred percent you know raw versions that you can buy at a gas station what's the other one like natural spirit that's what people like think that they're quitting cigarettes like oh i switched to natural spirit
01:21:28
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Bro, but what I'm talking about, wild tobacco, I think it's called nicotiana rustica, right? This is what the shamans or the- Right, versus arabica, which is like where camels and stuff come from. So from what I understand, they also, I can't speak to this for sure, but from what I understand, they also dip the tobacco in sugar, which adds to the,
01:21:56
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to the nastiness, right? Because when you, you know, think about like when something caramelizes, but anyway, so from what I understand from my research into like the indigenous people's healing methodology and stuff, the wild tobacco
01:22:17
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is the grandfather of the plant. So it's the wisest of the plant. So the, like the Shippebo shamas, you know, the guys in Peru and there in the Amazon, when they're doing all sorts of, you know, like ayahuasca ceremonies and stuff, they use this tobacco to, they blow the pipe, they use it to purify. And from, again, from my research into this stuff is the,
01:22:41
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The, they use it more of us as a ceremonial tool. Now that tobacco, the wild tobacco is like 10 to 20 times more nicotine. So you can't like puff it like a cigarette. It's, but you're not smoking three packs a day either. Yeah. So from what I understand, so they do, they do certain things. So they throw it into the fire, like an offering with a prayer. They, they make these snuffs, which are actually really awesome that you kind of, you know, you, you, you snort them either with a little pipe.
01:23:08
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It's called the kuripe and a tepi the tepi is the one where someone blows into your nose and it's it's the use ash from fires and they blended into a very fine powder with certain herbs and stuff and in fact the ash it's actually a source of nutrients.
01:23:24
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and there are certain minerals in there. So it's used more of like a ceremonial tool. So what we have in the West, tobacco, is again a perverted version of what was a sacred sacrament of the people. And another thing I recently found out is like when you take a nice organic cigar and you just puff it in the mouth,
01:23:46
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There is actually not a sublingual, but through these kind of, you know, you have these subdermal subdermal. Yes. Some type of glandular contact with this.
01:24:02
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fucking hell. The lining of the mouth, there is some type of transdermal or some type of diffusion or whatever it is. So you don't get a lot of these carcinogenic solvents and benzene and whatever into the lungs and stuff like that. You're just getting it into the mouth. So there is definitely ways
01:24:25
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For to leverage nicotine in fact people like some of these kind of biohacker guys some of them will use nicotine gum to chew when they're like writing a book and shit because nicotine the molecule
01:24:41
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quite close comedy sets and stuff when they when they go on stage a lot of them do heroin down. Yeah. So but the nicotine molecule closely resembles I believe the neurotransmitter acetylcholine, which is like, quote unquote, the cognition learning memory neurotransmitter, right, right, or brainpower one. So it's all the best supplements
01:25:06
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For new tropics for in boosting brain power whatever the they're either a source of calling for the acetylcholine neurotransmitter or an acetylcholine reuptake inhibitor.
01:25:20
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so that you don't break down your acetylcholine as much so nicotine seems to you know like things like LSD they mimic like serotonin they play with the serotonin receptors so a lot of these compounds like psilocybin as well from mushrooms so a lot of these things plant things from plants they
01:25:40
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have similar structures, so they mimic certain things in the body. That's why we get entheogenic effects and, you know, like coffee, it blocks the adenosine receptors in the brain, which make you feel tired. So mother nature is beautiful, but there's a lot of fucked up shit as well. You have to be very careful what you put in your body. Yeah, it's fascinating, man. Yeah, nicotine is actually, it's not the nicotine that's bad for you.
01:26:06
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It's everything else. It's the other aspects of it. And probably there's a better way to do it than smoking it. The whole idea of marijuana, I don't think marijuana is bad for you in any way, shape, or form, especially if you eat it or if you drink it in a tea and things like that, and you don't get the effects instead of smoking it. And I've been considering, it's legal here in Oregon. I should probably be growing a few plants in my backyard.
01:26:37
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I don't currently, but I probably should. You should, man. That's fascinating, man. I was listening to, so this, I'm going off topic here. I was listening to your last episode you did with Chris Matthew about a month ago, right? Forbidden Knowledge News. And I was listening, you guys were talking about autism and you were talking about the different
01:27:00
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Well, yeah, tragedy of like childhood autism. And I do think that it is vaccine related, but they're like, you were talking about too, that there were all these different other, uh, factors in it. And you were talking about how, which I found really fascinating. Like the bio, um, fuck, uh, the bio, your bio gut, your, what do you call that?
01:27:23
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Yeah,
Dietary Influences on Health
01:27:24
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your microbiome, and how much that affects, well, people's personalities, how that affects everything. I mean, I think your butt, your gut, butt, your gut, well, yes, too. Yeah, it's all connected. All of that is- Where all the magic comes from. It is, man. It affects things so much, so as far as, so something that you touched on, which I thought was really fascinating, you were talking about how the gut, the butt, gut, microbiome,
01:27:54
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how typically a kid with autism will have things like candida and maybe some fungal things going on and maybe some bacterial stuff going on. And what I thought was fascinating is because I've heard this huge push lately and maybe it's not even as of late, maybe it's been around for a minute, this push for a towards a ketogenic diet for kids with autism.
01:28:16
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and how that like clears up the brain. And so I'd heard all this like maybe that it's running a cleaner fuel, like the ketones and the fat running with the brain. But it also, if you're on a ketogenic diet, you're going to starve out that candida. You're going to starve out a lot of that bacteria that's running and feeding off of carbohydrates. And that's going to change your gut microbiome. That's fucking, fucking interesting. And so I want to mention that.
01:28:45
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Yeah, the ketogenic diet was originally developed for people with epilepsy. Actually, I think it's about
01:29:00
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I believe it's about 30% of autistic kids. There's so much research that I've gone through that I may be misquoting this, but it was a fair subset of kids, autistic kids actually also have epilepsy.
01:29:16
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Interesting. I'm not really too deep into the epilepsy stuff, but from what I understand, glutamate, which is a very abundant neurotransmitter in the brain, can play a factor. So things like mercury and various sort of immune activation and neuroinflammation
01:29:41
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and, you know, toxins in vaccines, of course, they can activate certain immune cells in the brain, like the glial cells. And there's also these astrocytes as well. So these are like, there's actually much more of them than the neurons, right? It could be like 10 to 50 times more of these glial cells than the neurons.
01:30:01
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Once they get activated, they start secreting these inflammatory compounds, and it's very difficult. It's easy to light the spark that starts the fire, but it's difficult to extinguish this sort of neuroinflammation.
01:30:18
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In terms of the ketogenic diet for autism, it's actually one of the most, especially for kids, it's one of the most complex diets to implement. So I would definitely make sure that you have a good doctor that understands what the fuck's going on to help with that. It definitely would not be my first choice, you know what I mean?
01:30:44
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but there is a lot of benefit. What you can actually do in a way to mimic or to get the ketones into a person is, you know, these MCT oils, right? The medium chain triglycerides. You can get only C8, which is caprylic acid. So it's one of the three MCTs are capric acid, caprylic acid, and there was one more. So this C8, it readily, basically it,
01:31:14
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It goes, you know, you drink it, it goes to the liver and then the liver just makes ketones out of that. So you don't actually have to be in a ketogenic state, which can be difficult to achieve and maintain. So if you just get this C8 MCT, caprylic acid MCT, it's a good way to get the ketone circulating and the body will do with them what it will.
01:31:41
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and then you still have glucose running. So, especially for kids that are very active and they're still developing, not just physically, but neuro developmentally, it's a good way to ensure that you have both sources of nutrients going without going, because again, with kids,
01:32:03
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Like, you know, you know, like you have a year and a half old, you know how challenging things can be with diet. And you've been like your son is, your older son is like 15, 16, right? So yeah, you've been through a lot of this stuff. So you know how challenging these things can be. But yeah, there's a lot of things, dude. There's a lot of things that I just, I feel like we're not doing a good enough job to educate the parents, you know, so much I could
Critiquing Government Guidelines
01:32:30
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do.
01:32:30
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It's just the whole diet thing. To me, that is one of, that was one of my first red pills. And our other co-host that is on here every once in a while, Tony, that was his first big red pill too was like the whole dietary, look, cause he was, he got really into like health nutrition and it was like studying this stuff. And then he was, he kept looking at like what the government's food tables were telling you was healthy. And him going like, that doesn't make any fucking sense. That doesn't make any fucking sense.
01:32:58
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Why in the fuck are they suggesting us eat this? And now even the Neo bullshit, the Neo food type of pyramid sort of things, they're now introducing things as far as environmental factors now too. So something like a ribeye, somebody was just talking about this. So let's say this beautiful organic sexy ribeye steak that I have right here,
01:33:21
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If you if you look that up right now, we could look it up I don't know if Thomas we wanted to do that if you look at like the government has a website where you can look up how How it's scored for you to eat and like what and so they don't only just take in
01:33:37
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in consideration, what this does for your body, they also say, what is this doing to the environment? And so that's going to affect the score. And so something like a ribeye steak, that's going to get lower, because they say that this is creating greenhouse gas emissions. And because the cow farts and stuff, this ribeye is going to be a D, it's going to be rated a D. But if I go and I look up like
01:33:59
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honey nut Cheerios, that is going to get like a B plus and things like that. So they're saying like, actually because this is grain and because yes, it's sugar and it's grain and this and that, but it's so much better for the environment for you to be on this plant-based diet. We are going to tell you. And so like to me, it's not about your health. It's not about you thriving. And so like these were my first big red pills. It's like these motherfuckers are just lying. Especially when you
01:34:27
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Okay. I got this food. It's called the children's nutrition quick study guide. It's like a pamphlet, right? I got a bunch of these on like trigger points, reflexology points, all sorts of shit, right? So I got it and it's got choose my plate.gov, which is like the latest in the USA. So I looked through this and I just bought it just out of curiosity to see what parents are being brainwashed with. Listen to this now.
01:34:55
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How much, it looks like a Teddy's menu again, as I'm drinking my rockstar. Okay. Now let's talk about health. Let me, let me ask you like your one and a half year old child, how much protein in grams do you think he needs? And your, your older child that's, you know, 15, 16, how much protein a day in grams do you think both of your kids, each of them need out of curiosity?
01:35:26
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Roughly. Roughly. I mean, dude, I don't know about this kind of nutrition shit. Like I would, I got on the keto shit for a long time. So I was just like eating my weight and steak and then like trying to suck down fat and like making
01:35:39
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Anyways, let me guess. I would say something like, cause I think out of a steak you get, I think it's hard to get the amount of protein that you actually fucking need. Like I have some friends that are like trying to like build muscle and it's, it's actually like to fucking do it. You have to force yourself to eat more protein than you think. I would say, um, but for, for, let's say my one year old, I think he probably, I think he probably needs like a hundred grams of protein a day in my 16 year old.
01:36:08
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I don't know how much 100 grams is, is that a lot? Yeah, so for my teenager, he's like, I mean, this is like his nuts are growing and developing and he's turning into a dude right now. I would say he probably needs like 400 grams broken. He's building muscle, he's getting fucking
01:36:27
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He's getting the oaked action. That's a lot, dude. That doves some massive poop. What's his weight roughly in pounds? My son's weight, he's not very much. He's probably 150 pounds. He's a skinny little dude. For an adult, a good rule of thumb is one gram of protein per pound of body weight.
01:36:51
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200 pounds 200 grams now for a 15 year old 16 year old dude uh you know he's growing a lot that would be the bare minimum so i would dude i would go much like maybe not easily easily yeah but let me tell you what the government baby needs 100 grams let me tell you what the government thinks your baby needs bro fucking
01:37:19
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13 grams a day. This is what I'll tell you. Like you might not think you're nutritionally well-informed or knowledgeable, but the wisdom of the parent will always fucking Trump, whatever the doctor or Mr. Government say, or Daddy Government say. So you were way closer with 100 grams for a one to three year old than the government
01:37:47
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with their poultry 13 grams of protein per day. This is what they're recommending. Let me tell you, for boys 14 to 18 years of age, 52 grams of protein. I have that in one meal.
01:38:08
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And they say exclusively in like soy milkshakes and shit. Like, I mean, that would have been just like the, you know, so they have, they have this sort of plate and they have fruits, vegetables, grains, which is a quarter and protein and dairy, right? So they don't say.
01:38:29
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They don't say meat or animal products, they say protein. So, you know, if you're one of these brainwashies of the plant-based cult now, you think 50 grams of protein. So, oh yeah, I could give my kid, you know, a hundred grams of soy, a hundred grams of beans and, you know, some lentils and the rest you get from the vegetables and your kid is going to be- Calories in, calories out. It's all equivalent. Your kid is going to be farting their way to school.
01:38:58
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You know what I mean? Dude, this is what happens when people listen to the government. That's why every second person is sick. Well, that's the fascinating thing because I was just born a contrarian. I was born an asshole. I was born an anarchist. I never listened to governmental...
01:39:15
Speaker
why the fuck would I listen to you? Who gives you authority?
Education and Socialization
01:39:18
Speaker
Who the fuck tells you that, that you know better than me? Like, and so, I mean, that's not really great because I'm not very intelligent. And so I'm just kind of a jackass and I was like, well, fuck you. But it makes you feel, feel more righteous in that stance to just say like, fuck you.
01:39:35
Speaker
I disagree. I disagree with you. I think you're very fucking both of you are very intelligent. And I know I've listened. I've listened to quite a few of realities are quite a few of the shows the last couple of days, like at least five or six. And you guys are very fucking intelligent. In fact, I'm also very impressed how you guys are able like on your panel sort of
01:39:58
Speaker
shows, how you're able to keep things so fucking civilized and courteous. Whatever you're doing is just next level. But what I wanted to say is, you definitely are doing what most people should be doing, and this is what
01:40:14
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Any anarchist that is worth his salt should be doing is you are informing yourself and both of you guys are very well informed about a lot of different things. And this is exactly what we need to do. An anarchist, in my view, is someone that takes responsibility. So to take responsibility, if I feel the source of most or all of our problems is the government,
01:40:40
Speaker
then I can't let the government dictate how to raise my kids, what to teach my kids, what to feed my kids, all of these things. But that means that I have to now understand better all of these things. As my kid grows older, I'm going to have to learn all this stuff about teaching them
01:41:00
Speaker
my values what i believe in the right values and obviously you you'd be much better versed that with that because you obviously have a much older child but i'm you know i. I think this is you exactly you got it exactly we have to.
01:41:15
Speaker
We have to fucking just become not experts in any specific thing, but just kind of a jack of all trades, dude. And you become like a synthesizer of knowledge. And this is one thing I understand from kids that are homeschooled without a
01:41:31
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Dictated curriculum is they become very good at integrating seemingly disparate fields and those are like the Those kids have the potential to like do genius level shit, you know Well, yeah, man I I think that there is something definitely to that the whole the whole homeschooling thing people people get really concerned about like well How are you going to?
01:41:58
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How are you going to have your kids socialized? But I look at the kids that are in fucking elementary school, in public schools in general, and I'm like, if that's who you want your kid around.
01:42:11
Speaker
And those teachers, people don't realize that pedophilia is actually way higher in public schools than it ever was involved in the Catholic school system. It's like 10 to 1. It's pretty fucking ridiculous, the amount of kids that get dittled in public schools. And more so than that, just the indoctrination and just the indoctrination as far as
01:42:33
Speaker
Obedience to authority and just like obedience to like I I was a young man when I decided I was I think it was in third grade when I decided to quit like I'm not going to pledge allegiance to the flag I was like fuck you dude I was in a Christian school and it was like I was I spit in Jesus's face I might as well have spit in Jesus's face because I Refused to pledge allegiance to the flag because that's how much of God America was to these Christians quote-unquote but like
01:43:01
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as far as like socialization for your kids, man, it's when you start talking, because people will look at someone that's homeschooled and they're like, they're weird. They're fucking weird. And all their kids are like rating target. No, I'm not kidding. I mean, dude, honestly, because you look at the rest of the world and you're like, do I want my kid to be like that? Like, like, so the person that's judging my kid and saying that maybe he's weird or something,
01:43:27
Speaker
why because he like makes eye contact because he like shakes your hand because you like sit there and have a conversation with you and then he'll say something that's like deeper than just like did you watch the Kardashians do you see her like spread her butt holding some black guy like like just I'm like dude
01:43:43
Speaker
Yes, maybe they're fucking weird and that's a good thing. They're not assimilating to this shithole disgusting culture that you're trying to fucking put my kid into. Like I don't want him to fucking get, I don't want some like training to sit there and give him a lap dance while he's reading him hop on pop. Like- I just, Mary, he just walks up though. Did you know that Bigfoot has a trans-dimensional penis that can come in and out of reality? That's a much better, that's a much better conversation for my child to have.
01:44:12
Speaker
I did you did my wife was sitting there I can't I cannot remember the specifics of the conversation that I was having with my one-year-old last night But we were sitting there having this long weird philosophical Conversation and he's sitting there looking me in the eyes and like tracking my wife goes what the fuck you guys doing? I was like, we're having a moment We're over like I I'd much rather that then have some fucking teacher Sit there and tell them that we went to outer space and that you can get on a fucking rocket and go to the moon Yeah, dude, like, you know, is it?
01:44:40
Speaker
Filling my child's head with complete bullshit. Yeah, man. It's a it's a if you like if you know about this fuckery and you You still allow your child to be subjected to that, you know Fuck to fill an anarchist and I believe in autonomy So it's like people will say why did you let your teenager go back to high school this last year?
01:45:03
Speaker
Because he wanted to. I'm not going to afford it. He wanted to go and check it out. And guess what? He got kicked out of school really quick. Because he wasn't listening. Because, dude, we're anarchists. I'm not going to sit there in a chair for eight hours and listen to you. You're not that interesting. Nothing you have to say is very thought provoking or just like, you're not rocking my world here, buddy. There's a cute girl over there. I'm going to go talk to her.
01:45:28
Speaker
Why? Because I want to lick her asshole. And so like, I'm going to go and get up and I'm going to go talk to her because I'm pursuing that. Because that's a lot more interesting than anything you have to say, teacher, go fuck yourself. Exactly. That's how I raised my son. And so this is like an argument against I'm spilling. You're reciting verbatim what your kids said to the teacher, right? This was on like the final referral that got him kicked out.
01:45:58
Speaker
All I want to do is go tongue punch your fart box. Bro, I thought this was America.
01:46:06
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But I'm a little bit, I have a bit of a dilemma here because my wife is not too keen on the homeschooling thing. But in any case, the problem in Portugal is it's not legal to homeschool your kids unless you have a college degree and you stick to the curriculum that they teach. I'm like,
01:46:33
Speaker
Like, what's the point in homeschooling my kid if I'm gonna be teaching this garbage to like, you know what I mean? So, I don't know, dude. I don't know what I'm gonna do. You gotta get out of the EU, doggy. You gotta get out of there. Dude, where to go, though? Like, where to go? I hear Afghanistan's better now that, you know...
01:46:52
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those guys i mean this is how randy weaver got his start too dude right it's like he wanted a home school but uh he didn't want to do it according to any kind of state curriculum uh so he moves his whole family out into the middle of nowhere so that he's got like full reign essentially over what he wants to do with himself and his family yeah i mean this is this is my dream but when you know i dude that's the problem like
01:47:21
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For you guys, it might be normal, but we have to remember that most people aren't like us.
01:47:29
Speaker
Yeah, we freak people out. Yeah, I started having any of these covers. I'm not even talking about looking buttholes. And I can sit there and have a conversation and freak a normal person out. Just just questioning authority in general, we'll start freaking people out. Like my particular job that I have right now, I work in a field that everybody, every single person that I work with, definitely believes
01:47:55
Speaker
that we went to the moon, every single one of them, it's a very science-based, what I do, and every single one of them is like, bots sold and paid for it that this happened, and they're very tight. Everyone was watching the fucking TV yesterday, because SpaceX did a fucking launch yesterday, and everyone was all stoked about it, and I was giggling when it blew up, and everyone was like, fuck. I thought it was hilarious.
01:48:20
Speaker
You can tell it was real because of how fake it, fake it looked. Yeah, man. No, no, we are, we are the fucking weirdos, but I think this is what's cool about the internet is that all of us weirdos have been able to find each other, have these conversations, create a community of radicalize radicalizing radicalizing. I mean, we're clearly domestic terrorists.
Personal Freedom and Skepticism
01:48:47
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This is what.
01:48:49
Speaker
That's it, bro. Guys, I just want to ask both of you. This is a question I ask all my guests. I always like to kind of end interviews on a little bit of a positive note. To be honest, though, we've been keeping it pretty positive. I just found lately, although the conspiracy talk, we're talking about the population agenda and all sorts of shit.
01:49:14
Speaker
I don't want people to associate that what we do is negative. And again, we were not negative today. You guys are like, I actually, I love listening to you guys, like just cover any topic because I'm very often I'm there laughing my ass off, right? But anyway, the question, the question. Yeah, bro. The guys are fucking epic.
01:49:37
Speaker
The question I have for whoever wants to start, I just want to ask you for my Solutions Talk segment, what are you doing that others can do also to increase their freedom, self-reliance, autonomy, and or resilience to the challenges that we face this decade and beyond? Thomas, you want to take this one first? You want me to go? You go.
01:50:02
Speaker
I mean, this is my biggest thing and is just not giving a fuck. That's my biggest thing. And so you can take this into a philosophical thing where you're having to give it to God, Jesus take the wheel sort of thing, whatever you want to call this, but I literally have to live my life and I have to focus on what's important to me. Those two boobs are real.
01:50:25
Speaker
That's like what I'm focused on, right? These two boobs that are right here, I'm grabbing them. So to touch back on what we were talking about before. And so like for me, I'm very practical and realistic, in my opinion. And so for me, that's where agorism comes in, as far as like, so at some point, if we're gonna have to be tag traced, this, that, and the other, to even like barter trade, go into a store, or they're gonna turn our money into like further, because it's already monopoly money.
01:50:53
Speaker
Now they're trying to turn it into like an online fucking app store video game where our money is going to be even further because it's already fake. Now it's going to be super extra fake and gay. Now it's going to be tranny money. This is like super trans money. So, um, the best thing that you can do for me practically is algorithm as far as like getting together, like counter economy, understanding, like getting to know your neighbor, this, that and the other.
01:51:19
Speaker
more so than that. I don't give a shit. So I have a friend that like, he is listening to every single time that they're making a new law about a gun. Cause Oregon's getting really radical about guns right now. And they're like, so if you have any fucking like a magazine that has more than eight rounds or 10 rounds or something, then you're a felon and you're this. It's got a scary name on it or like a skull painted on the side. Now all of a sudden it's like, yeah.
01:51:47
Speaker
And, and he's always just like, Oh my God. And, and then he'll come and tell me that I'm like, Oh, that's cute. I don't fuck you. I guess I'm a, I'm a family. Fuck off.
01:52:02
Speaker
That's that to me. And so that can be a dangerous piece of advice where I'm telling Hey, if that rifle is a little too long to fit in your backpack, just shave off a few inches. Who's gonna care? So this is my best piece of advice. Anyone that is trying to come at you with authority and trying to tell you what to do that you think that is against your rule, morals, rules, values, principles, you just tell them politely, suck my dick.
01:52:32
Speaker
That is my, that's my best voice. Get to know your neighbors, get to know your neighbors, get to know a community around you. There's lots of fun little places that you can go, freedomsells.org. That's like a place that you can like get together, map all of these people out in your neighborhood. Don't put your actual house address in this place, like at Safeway, the nearest Safeway, right? And so you like, oh, hey, you want to go get coffee? And so you meet the folks, hopefully it's not a Fed, and it could be.
01:53:02
Speaker
but hopefully not and get to know your community get to know like-minded people know who you have a fucking i mean like my wife her little project has been like getting everything we need for a sweet bug out bag you know what i mean and so that's been a fun little project like so like what do we need for a bug out back okay so we gotta have this this this this like just but do it in a positive fun way where
01:53:28
Speaker
Don't freak out. Money's fake and gay. This whole world is fake and gay. Just take care of what we have in front of us. Those sweet titties. I've got my house right now, which I could throw away if I needed to. But I've got my kids, I've got my wife, I've got my family. That's what's important to me. We're gonna fucking survive. No matter what.
01:53:52
Speaker
I don't know. Just what's important to you, focus on that, take care of that, get to know your neighbors, and fuck everybody else. Love it. Fuck the haters. All right. Love it. Sorry, Thomas, you go.
01:54:04
Speaker
Yeah, this one's hard for me because I don't even like my neighbors. My neighbors have all reported me to the county and multiple times for the dumbest. What have you done? I haven't done like, for example, I had some palm trees trimmed and apparently it was housing like families of rats. So after the palm trees got trimmed and some got, I had to take two down.
01:54:25
Speaker
uh, cause they were just dying. Those rats had nowhere to live. So they went and like scurried to the back corner of my property under the, this root system from like a, like an old oak tree or something. Well, apparently the name, the two neighbors that live on that side of the property saw a bunch of rats and they're like, Oh, you know, the,
01:54:42
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the property behind us is infested with rats. So that the county had to come out and I had to get like people to come out and clear all the roots system out just to say like, yeah, I had trees trimmed the rats live there. Now they didn't have a home. So they go live in this tree. Like, what am I supposed to do? You know,
01:55:00
Speaker
Dude, that's one of many food and shit like on my neighbor's fence. I give them a rat infestation. Or I buy every goddamn rat they had and I fucking flood their backyard with whatever fucking. See, and I've had those thoughts, too. Like, for example, they have like these floodlights and I've just wanted to put ultra reflective signs that say like no trespassing. They just bounce the floodlights right back into their house and everything because it's like I don't live on like 10 acres or anything.
01:55:29
Speaker
But the problem is that they've already proven that they've got all the time in the world to just sit and call the county and just dick around. Like I don't got that kind of time. I'd rather be reading about lizards and aliens, you know what I mean? Then, then talk on fucking auto dial with the county to like do these stupid, but I just bring that up because it makes me sad sometimes when it's just like, oh yeah, just get to learn your neighbors. And it's like, I fucking hate my neighbors.
01:55:55
Speaker
But I would say my parting wisdom is to just not trust anything, especially if you get into this situation where you're like, well, I saw it with my own eyes. Like you're already fucked. Like you've already tricked yourself into thinking that you can trust your dumb ass senses that can be tricked so easily, either by not just from like a they that's out there projecting holograms, but you yourself,
01:56:20
Speaker
It's very easy to convince yourself and justify things. And so to do that, you use the Trivium as your toolset. The practical version is someone coming in saying like, for example, like a flat earth, like,
01:56:39
Speaker
Hey man, all conventional science is really a psyop. Well, I think, well, maybe the psyop is you telling me that that's the psyop. You know what I mean? It's like, it's psyops all the way down. So I don't know. I like playing that game, but the Trivium helps you cut through all of that because again, you just break it down. What words are they using grammar?
01:56:57
Speaker
are the words that they're using in the argument they're making sound logic and then are they appealing to like my interests are they appealing to my biases like for example if i wanted to really sell me on something i know i can just make it really earth centric and make it very like humanistic
01:57:13
Speaker
Um, and, and, you know, you can get someone to buy onto something as long as you're approaching it to them from their own bias. But if you can recognize when someone's doing that by using rhetoric, then you're kind of like a step ahead. So that's, I guess that's my parting. Thank you, Thomas. So if, uh, if, uh, Nate says that your, your eyes are faking gay, how would you use the Trivium to see if it's true or not?
01:57:41
Speaker
Cause your ears are also faking gay, Thomas. So how are you going to use those fake, those fake gay ears? Are we, I thought we were not allowed to say gay or retired. What's happening? We mean nineties. It's nineties gay and nineties retired. We're bringing it back. We're bringing it back, dude. We can say like, you can say faggot. We can say retard. We can say anything we want. This is America.
01:58:02
Speaker
Well, not in Portugal. Maybe you get arrested. You get arrested for saying those sort of things. If you were to go outside of your house. What would happen? I'm curious. What happened in the area you live in? Well,
01:58:19
Speaker
neighbors can often see me like shouting at my dog for fucking random because she's being you know being a dick so they'll be like ah he's just this guy you know he's got that fiery balcony you know from Bulgaria so I think it's gonna be fine
01:58:36
Speaker
Yeah, they're okay. And to answer you, I don't know if Trivium would work on that particular argument, but what I would do is I would bring myself to that level, which I think I've got, if any skill I can meet you on whatever level you're having discourse with me on. So if you're talking about my eyes being fake and gay, then I would just say that like, well, your vocal cords are fake and gay. So in order for you to even make that statement, you already were fake and gay before you even got to see my eyes. So I mean, now we're talking about,
01:59:04
Speaker
sort of an order priority, right? Like if you were faking gay first, then how can I even trust anything coming out of your faking gay mouth? Well, that's just many levels to that bro. Fuck me. Love it guys. Well, Thomas Nate, thanks so much for joining us today. Um, it was a very rich and wide, wide ranging conversation and I really appreciate your time boys. Likewise, man. This was awesome. Thank you so much, Christian. Thank you.