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Episode 26 - Medical Registration & Migration experts
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Thinking about moving your medical career to Australia? In this episode of Medical Flyways, host Dr Srishti Dutta talks to two of the people who can help make it happen: Alex Graham, Registered Migration Agent, and Elinor Faulkner, Medical Registration Specialist, both from Wavelength. Between them, they have several decades of experience guiding doctors through visas, AHPRA registration and everything in between. They unpack the questions doctors ask most, the blind spots that catch even well-prepared applicants, and why visas and registration need to be tackled side by side, not one after the other. Tune in for a clear, honest look at what the journey to working in Australia really involves.
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Introduction to 'Medical Flyways' and Featured Guests
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Medical Flyways, the untold journeys of migrant doctors in Australia. Hello again to my listeners for Medical Flyways. Today we have with us two guests who I think largely go unnoticed and unrecognized in the journeys that migrant doctors make. Welcome, Alex Graham and Eleanor Faulkner, who between them have over three decades of experience in the migration and regulation space with Vaveland International. So they are basically the gurus of this space. Welcome to you both.
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And thank you for being a part of the podcast. Thank you, Srishti.
Common Questions and Visa Processes
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Now, Alex and Eleanor, I know that you have lots of stories, but I think I'd start with something that I've seen often. And maybe we'll start with you, Alex. What are the three commonest questions that you get asked when doctors are considering migrating or coming to Australia?
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Yeah, so look, I would say the first question that I get is where can I work? So doctors are understandably focused on location eligibility. And so the, you know, the main thing is the DPA for GPs. So GPs have... have to work distribution priority area, a GPA as determined by the Department of Health. They can generally work in any MM, so that's the Modified Monash Model Classification, but they have to work in a DPA. And so some GPs go through the ESP pathway if eligible and
00:01:27
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Then they can work, they have to work in a DPA, but may work in a non-DPA. They have a 19 AB exemption. Whereas if they have to go through the PEP pathway via the RACGP, they have to strictly be working in a DPA.
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And so 19 AB b exemptions are not recognized by the RACGP. So that's the, I would say, the most common question. Say the second one is how long do the registration and visa processes take?
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So obviously timeframes are a major concern in terms of start date. And we generally say to allow six months for ESP eligible candidates. And it's closer to 12 months for PEP applicants.
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And that's for the full registration visa and Medicare processes. And then the third question that I get a lot is when will I qualify for PR? ah So obviously, 482 the standard entry pathway for doctors relocating to Australia, and that's a temporary visa. So that's generally granted for anywhere between one to four years subject to contract term. And the 482 can be applied at the same time as APRA and granted on receipt of APRA approval. So it's very efficient, but it is only a temporary visa.
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So the sequent PR options are major concern. And the most common one, the most common permanent visa is the employer-nominated visa. That's the subclass 186. And GPs are generally independent contractors, and so they are eligible for the TRT, the Temporary Resident Transition Stream, and that's only after two years working in their occupation under the FOI 2 visa.
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Whereas specialist doctors are generally employed, and so they may qualify for the direct entry stream of the 186, which they can actually qualify for sooner, before the two years. But this is subject to age and meeting all the visa criteria. And then there's an alternative to the 186, which is the independent skilled visas, the subclass 189 and 190. The 190 being the state-nominated version. And those are, as the names indicate, they are independent skilled visas, sos not dependent upon employer nomination.
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But for these, doctors need to hold unrestricted APRA registration, and that is either general or specialist registration without conditions. So that's the main thing to bear in mind when we make an expression of interest. The process for that is to make an expression of interest and wait to be invited by the Department of Home Affairs. Invitation rounds are sporadic. They've been o occurring only twice a year as of late, but they're very, very sporadic.
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So it's very uncertain in nature as to when you may be invited to apply, when you may actually make visa application. And for this, the legislative score requirement is 65 points. However, a score of 80 points onwards is generally required in order to be invited to apply. And doctors may be invited to apply for the one-line all with a lower score, but that's dependent on the yeah relevant state program being open and obviously meeting all the specific state criteria, which vary across states. So that's really the main PR options is the 186, whether it be the direct entry or the TRT streams or the 189, 190 And just to say this advice generic in nature, we always advise speaking to a migration agent for tailored advice, especially when it comes to PR eligibility, which is really quite complex and individual in nature.
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Absolutely. And Alex, I will hands down say that is the best summary I've heard in the last 10 11 years. Because even to get your head around which one's by invitation, which one's sponsored, which one's not sponsored takes a little bit of reading. And I think it's interesting that what you've highlighted is that there's choice. There is more than one option.
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But speaking to someone really gives you the level of detail that you need to see which one's the best fit for you in terms of many factors, including things like age, but also which one's the one you're most likely to start your journey on and then maybe even pivot depending on where you're headed. So that's a brilliant summary for anyone who's listening. Even if you just listen to the words and go and and look them up, you'll get much more information than randomly looking things up yourselves. Eleanor,
Medical Registration Pathways and Challenges
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what about you? I mean, you're in a similar but slightly different space. What are the common questions that you often get asked?
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Yeah, so I help doctors get their medical registration and everything that they need to do to be able to work in Australia in that medical space. So the main question that I get is, how do I get registered? And the answer is that it depends on your unique circumstances, so your training, your experience, and what you actually want to do in Australia. Are you going to require ongoing medical registration or are you looking for something more short-term? Do you need general registration or specialist registration?
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So there's several pathways that you can explore, but you need to check your eligibility and what that registration will then allow you to do. The main pathways that we use are the specialist pathway, the standard pathway, and the short-term training pathway. And now if you have one of the prescribed qualifications, And you can also use the expedited specialist pathway. So the specialist pathway involves assessment with a relevant college and they compare your specialist training in your country of training to their own training program.
00:06:54
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They'll also look at your experience as well and then see whether you're familiar working the way that an Australian consultant would be expected to work. So that's including things like the volume and breadth work, standards and audits.
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feedback, CPD, teaching, research, all that sort of thing. So once you've gone through the assessment process, you'll be given an outcome of substantially comparable, partially comparable, or if you're not successful, then not comparable. And together with the requirements that you need to be able to gain fellowship with the relevant Australian college,
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This normally involves a period of peer review. Sometimes it might involve top-up training as well that needs to be done in a suitable supervised position. Once you've then completed those requirements, you get the fellowship of the college and then you can get your full specialist registration. For non-specialists, you obviously don't need to worry about going through the college process.
00:07:46
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And there's generally two options for registration with APRA. You've got the competent authority pathway if you meet the eligibility criteria for that or the standard pathway which involves sitting the AMC MCQ exam.
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Another question that I get asked quite a bit is around area of need. There's a lot of information out there on area of need. It was definitely a popular pathway, you know, a decade ago, and it can seem like a quick and easy fix, which is what it was originally intended to be.
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However, for this, you need to actually have been offered an area of need position before you can even apply. So but an area of need position has been designated an area of need by the individual State Department of Health and you need to have that declaration so it's very specific. Basically if if you haven't been offered an area of need position then you can't apply for it.
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And the problem is that most employers won't offer you an area of need position until they know what your outcome is likely to be with the college because you need to know what the requirements are.
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and whether you're going to be successful. So yeah, basically, generally speaking, area of need is a lot less common these days than it was. And it's probably only practical for specialists who aren't eligible for the competent authority pathway, but who still require Medicare billing.
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So yeah, it's quite important to get the right advice around navigating what the eligibility requirements are and whether that pathway is going to be right for you based on your unique circumstances, because it all interconnects there.
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On a similar note, a lot of questions that I get are, can I get a position before I get my outcome? And the short answer is yes. However, like I could just said, with the area of need, most employers are going to want to know what your outcome is before they're going to offer offer you a position because there's a lot of specifics related to it. The level of supervision, the type of work, the type of duties.
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type of hospital that you can work in are all things that are connected to your outcome. And so until they know that, they're not going to know whether you're going to be eligible to work in that position.
00:09:50
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So yeah, that's probably a common question I get. Listening to both of you, to me, it seems like some of these processes are going to run in tandem or they may be conditional on one's interdependent on the other, but they almost need to be run or guided parallel to each other to get the best time-based outcome for the person involved.
Interconnected Processes and Misinformation Challenges
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Would anyone if you want to comment on that?
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Yeah, that's exactly right. There's lots of areas that all interconnect and some of them you need to know. Some of them you might not even apply to until the very end of the process. So for example, your Medicare provider number, that's the very last step and very last thing you apply for just before you start work. But you need to know all the legislation around that right at the start of the process, because that will restrict where you can work, what registration type you need to be on, what pathway you need to be on, what you need to have done with the college, if anything, in order to be able to bill. So you kind of need to know the answers for the end of the process before you start at the beginning.
00:10:53
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And I must add for me that this was a slightly more straightforward process because I came with my husband who was the primary visa holder at that stage and I was already a qualified GP with reciprocal recognition. So some of these are things that I've not navigated myself, which leads me to the question of how much or how little does peer interaction support people in their journey, particularly in the context of both of you have said all these things, some within the space of federal migration or immigration regulations and law, others with other independent healthcare bodies of which there are a few to engage with, and they do change over time. So how valuable is that peer support in navigating this space?
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Alex, if you want to go first. I get a lot of those questions about my friend had his visa within, you know, two weeks or my cousin's only, you know, was able to qualify for PR ah straight away, which can be difficult to manage because as you mentioned, visa eligibility and also processing times are very variable and obviously independent circumstances apply. And so it can be very challenging for us, I guess, to manage expectations around processing times and eligibility for PR.
00:12:13
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And I guess, you know, in terms of processing times, these obviously vary a lot. They're pretty good at the moment in terms of the 482. PR processing times are quite lengthy at the moment. So that's obviously a variable. we We can't always rely on projects.
00:12:28
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And then in terms of eligibility for PR, as I said, it's very individual. And in particular, the one thing that I think of is 186 eligibility. There's a lot of talk about that because as I mentioned, GPs being independent contractors, they cannot apply. They have the direct entry stream of the 186.
00:12:50
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They only qualify for the TRT, the Temporal Resident Transition Stream, and they have to wait two years for that. But there's a lot of talks and interpretations around that. And so some agencies try and facilitate for GPs to apply down the direct entry stream, but that involves finding a salaried employee contract. And there's a lot of misunderstanding around that, that we have to manage. And for GP to understand that a colleague of his who's employed as a specialist may have qualified for the 186 straightaway, whereas as a GP independent contractor, he's not able to. So that's definitely something that we have to make doctors understand.
00:13:31
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Absolutely. Probably the good thing is where there isn't a pathway that your friends take and there may be something else that you can if you get the right advice at the start of the process itself. Helena, what about in your space? I mean, I'd imagine some things are better in terms of processing time, etc.
00:13:47
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It can be, the timelines can definitely vary a lot, varies throughout the year, depending on, you know, when they've got big influxes coming in. It varies between the different colleges as well. And it can, it's sometimes just down to who's applied and and the availability of supervisors and people to actually do the assessments as well and review the applications.
00:14:08
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In terms of information, i'd say the best thing that anyone can do is go direct to the source. So if it's college or ACPA or Medicare, that's obviously the ultimate source of truth to go to get the information from.
00:14:21
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There's a huge amount of misinformation online. And I can understand why it's hard sifting through all the policies and the documents from the official websites are very lengthy, wordy.
00:14:32
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It can be difficult to try and pick out what it is you actually need to know. But I think... It could be a bit problematic for people if you start then trying to use some of the sort of, you know, internet searches or the AI tools to sort of extract that information. You can get a lot of wrong answers and go around in circles a little bit.
00:14:51
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And we also have a lot of conversations with, oh, but my friend said, or I did this, that as you alluded to, because things change so much over time, what might've worked for someone 12 months ago is a different pathway. Now the eligibility criteria changes regularly.
00:15:06
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Sometimes for better, sometimes worse. So it might be that your pathway is now easier than your friends. It's definitely important to really consider all the different elements and the current legislation to help make your decision as to which is the right journey for you.
00:15:20
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Awesome. I'm sure I've been at the receiving and giving end of that at some points and tried to make sure that I am being helpful, quote unquote. But yeah, it is interesting how these things can, your influence is pretty significant. So we just have to be cautious about how much of it to take as gospel,
Complexities of Migration and Personal Experiences
00:15:36
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I suppose. The other thing I was going to ask you is what are the things that you find that doctors have often not considered? Because these are obviously the common questions you get, and there must be some things that are really obvious to you guys, and you're going, well, they clearly haven't considered X, Y, Z. What are those things likely to be? And maybe I'll start with you, Eleanor, in terms of What are the common blind spots, shall we call them?
00:16:00
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I think there's a lot of talk on the news and social media about that shortage of doctors. And it's true, we do have a massive shortage of doctors. So I think people often think, oh, well, Australia needs doctors. i I'll go, I'm a doctor, I can go over and be there. Unfortunately, it is a long unconvoluted situation.
00:16:17
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process to get here and people often don't understand that it shouldn't be that shouldn't be the case it should be a much easier journey but unfortunately it is a complicated process and it does take a long time so I think the first thing is if you are planning on coming over you want to start the process start the ball rolling early so that you can get here for around about the time that you want to be For specialists, that priority of really demonstrating your comparability, it really makes a big difference to your overall journey. If you can demonstrate that you're are as much comparable as possible, that's going to help reduce the number of requirements that you then have to go through.
00:16:55
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I think I alluded to this earlier that another common issue is ensuring that the role that you're ultimately going for matches what those requirements are because otherwise it's just not going to be approved and you're going to have to try and find a new position. And the supervised period is very important and it's quite a bottleneck.
00:17:12
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Often is finding the right position and the people that can actually supervise you and provide that adequate level of supervision for that initial period that you have to do. That's often an issue. On the standard pathway, the AMC MCQ is very challenging. it often takes people several attempts to pass it. It can be quite difficult even to get to sit the exams. It can be quite a long wait to do that. So yeah, that's something that people, I think they can do the exam straight away, but then it it can be challenging.
00:17:40
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You mentioned the supervision side of things. In the context of being in general practice or a hospital, like Alex said, they're different. One's a place where you employ, the other is an independent contractor. Do you find that if it's the hospital, for example, beyond those people that like yourselves who are involved in this process so intimately, shall I call it, do people like say the admin person in the hospital or the ah HR person in the hospital, do they have an understanding of some of these things or is that also very variable?
00:18:11
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It's very variable. Some of the people that we work with in the hospitals have been doing this for a long time and they're very much aware of all the different requirements and and what needs to be done. Other people may be new to the role or the hospital and might be a smaller hospital that haven't employed people from overseas before and they're really thrown into the deep end in terms of trying to navigate exactly what they need to do to support the IMG coming over and making sure they have the supervision. There's The same words get banded around, but they mean different things. So pathway is one, and you've got the registration pathway, but also the college pathway. But also, yeah, the level of supervision. So obviously ACRA have their designated levels of supervision, and the hospital may have looked at those and said, yeah, we can provide level three supervision. That's great. But then...
00:18:56
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the college requirements when they've done their outcome might deem that they need slightly different things or they might need supervision at different levels for different procedures or that sort of thing which wouldn't have been considered necessarily when they were initially making the job offer.
00:19:11
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it's a big drain on a hospital to provide those levels of supervision as well. So that can be challenging for them to navigate exactly how they're going to be able to provide all that whilst also meeting the IMG's requirements that they're supported on their journey. And sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
00:19:29
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It sounds to me like you're the facilitator on both sides. Going by the way you've answered that question is you kind of lend that support either this way or that way in and terms of a bit of a matchmaking process almost.
00:19:42
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We like to try and partner with both the doctors and the hospitals to make sure that everyone's matched up and and get off to the best start. But yeah, there's a lot it's a lot of different factors to consider. And as was saying, they don't always necessarily know about them. It's one of those you don't know what you don't know situations. So, you know, we've worked with several hospitals where They may have offered the doctor the job independently from us and then they suddenly realized, crikey, there's all this stuff that we didn't even know about that we're now trying to sort of backpedal to get all our ducks lined up. So yeah, we can definitely support hospitals and GP practices as much as we support the IMGs as well.
00:20:17
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Awesome. I mean that's certainly what I'm hearing and it sounds like your experience has been the same. What about you, Alex? What are the things people don't know they don't know in your domain usually? From a GP perspective, I'll talk about GP mostly because I look after GP personally, but I would say a lot of GPs underestimate how long and complex the RACGP PEP application process can be.
00:20:42
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So whilst the ESP is quite straightforward with the PEP pathway is really quite complicated. So the documentation requirements can be really intricate and I think are vastly underestimated by GPs and that's where really being assisted by a regulatory consultant ah really makes the difference.
00:21:03
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And conversely, they're often pleasantly surprised by how quickly the visa can be granted. particularly when applications are decision-ready and well-prepared. So visa processing is sometimes perceived as the biggest hurdle when in reality, registration pathways can be more time-consuming.
00:21:20
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And as I mentioned before, we actually lodge APRA and the visa in the 482 visa that is in parallel to each other. they're actually processing alongside each other so that the visa can be finalized as soon as APRA approval has come through.
00:21:35
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which is really quite a efficient. And so that's something that really surprises doctors is just how quickly that can be done. Once we get to this end of the process, just how quickly, you know, once our prize comes through, we can get the visa granted and we can apply after that and they can come out to Australia and start work.
00:21:52
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It sounds to me, and I'm wondering if I've already shared my own experience on the podcast, I don't think I have, that there's ah a lot of prep time. And, you know, if you've got all your ingredients together and everything's there, then the meal you'll come up with will be fantastic. Otherwise, you'll be making last minute adjustments to your seasoning a little bit. ah We had a very interesting journey in that for us, and I'll share this because, you know, I don't know who's listening and whether that'll be useful for them because two medical professionals, different pathways, different processes, visa and otherwise. And when we look at it in hindsight, we had accommodated for the time. We hadn't accommodated for the number of pivots we ended up making, including having quit our regular jobs.
00:22:34
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And then at the end of it going, oh, we still won't be getting to the end in another three months and we still need to pay the bills. So we were both, and and you know, as healthcare professionals, we do have some advantages is you can continue to work in another capacity no matter where you're working. So we both did locums for that duration to have some stability and normalcy while we waited for all of the ducks to get lined up. So yeah, like you can predict things, but I think what what I'm hearing from both of you is there is a certain willingness to be able to see, you know, the end goal as what you're aiming for, not get stuck on the barriers or the few changes that might come along the way as well.
00:23:17
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That's exactly right. that It definitely goes a long way in terms of the balancing with what you're throwing and and overcoming it. There's always a solution to get around It it might just be a little bit harder, but yeah.
00:23:27
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And each person will have a different hard journey. Like, you know, you might be fine with one part, but not with the other. i recall in the transition between when we started the journey to when I finally landed here, the entire application process for the RACGP changed. So I have applied through two processes and, you know, there I was prepared for the second one because I had everything ready. It's just one was paper-based, the other was electronic, and there were a few other changes. So the process improved.
00:23:52
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It didn't have a beneficial impact for me, but probably did for the others that came after. So take it with a pinch of salt and, you know, Consider it to be part of the journey. I'm also curious, and please feel free to share as much as you would want to, is how have you both ended up doing this? And is what part of this, for me, I know what brings me joy in my work.
Paths into Migration Consultancy and Personal Reflections
00:24:13
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And it's not always the usual things that I think of.
00:24:16
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You'll have a moment when you get a result that's fantastic or a patient that improves better than you expected. And It keeps you going for the grunt work as well. So what is it that brought you to this space and what keeps you there?
00:24:30
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So I started as a regulatory consultant myself for GPs. So that was nearly 15 years ago now with Wavelength. And then I moved into the migration space. i think it's been nine years now that I'm a registered migration agent.
00:24:45
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And i loved assisting GPs. I loved working with doctors. I loved being part of this journey with them from the very start. And then I started getting an understanding of Medicare restrictions, which are quite complex. And for some reason, that's something that I really had a huge interest in and really spoke to me. So I got really interested in reading the Health Insurance Act and the related legislation around that.
00:25:13
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And that got me into wanting to study immigration law. And that's how I became a migration agent. So I think working with doctors was what I really liked initially. And then it was really digging into the legislative and legal aspects that really interested me.
00:25:31
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And as for the most rewarding aspects of my work, I would say certainly assisting applicants with health or character concerns that initially appear to jeopardize their migration prospects.
00:25:45
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It's incredibly rewarding when we can get them through the process and facilitate that sort visa grant for those people that we, you know, uncertain about initially as to their eligibility. too And in several cases, we've successfully secured these occurrences by significant complexities.
00:26:05
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And, you know, these types of applications require careful strategizing detailed submissions and deep understanding of the regulations. And that's when my job really becomes interesting. And knowing that, yeah, absolutely. That's, you know, that's the whole challenge and interest in it, but also You know, the impact extends far beyond the individual doctor and really that affects the spouse, children, extended family, and just being, making that move possible for the the whole family is incredibly fulfilling.
00:26:36
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And challenging and fun. Quite a big impact if you consider that in terms of who are all the, and you know, who get impacted by the stone that lands in the water and then how far the waves go.
00:26:47
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So what about you, Eleanor? Yeah, I'm similar to Alex in a certain respect in that it's very much about the journey that the doctor goes on and helping them through that.
00:26:58
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I really enjoy those out-the-box, slightly difficult ones that are not just straightforward, but you've got to really look at all the different elements and see how they fit together and see if we can find a way to get them here. I get a lot of correspondence from doctors who have looked in depth at the process and they can't see, you know, if there's a pathway for them. So trying to find ways of getting people to get their ultimate goal of getting here.
00:27:22
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Yeah, that's definitely the most rewarding part. I love it when we have some applications that we've put into the various colleges and I've sort of said to the doctor, look, it's touch and go. I'm not sure if this is going to be, cause always very upfront with, you know chances of success. So I'm not sure if this is going to work, but I'm happy to help you through it. And then we work together sometimes for months on preparing these applications.
00:27:43
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putting everything in in such a way and then when we get a comparable outcome that's really rewarding to see that they can then continue on their journey and come across and like Alex says it's not just them it's their family and obviously also their communities here that they're going to be going into and and making a big difference for so that's that's really rewarding.
00:28:01
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Absolutely. And the last question, I'm wondering if either of you have had to experience any of this for yourselves in terms of moving countries and moving continents. And if you have any tips or wisdom to part to, you know, talk to the humans as well at the end of the day, what is your one piece of advice to them?
00:28:20
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That's a good question, actually. You're obviously not being a doctor. it was a bit of a different story. I myself was assisted by an immigration lawyer when I applied for PR. That was before I became a migration agent myself. And that's certainly something that I have never regretted is being guided, assisted and accompanied by a professional. I certainly couldn't have done it myself before.
00:28:44
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Magic has become an agent. and I think that is just, yeah, for any migrant in general, i think getting advice from a registered migration agent or lawyer is really non-negotiable.
00:28:56
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Get the experts in and be prepared to receive the help you're being offered is what I'm hearing. What about you, Eleanor? Yeah, again, similar. I also used a migration agent and I'm very glad that I did. Regarding my advice, I guess all I can say is really look at or really think about your ultimate goals. And obviously they may change over time, but think about your ultimate goals of what you're trying to do and then get as much information as you can around the bigger picture on how everything interconnects to make sure that you're on that that right pathway.
00:29:29
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And then just, yes, stick with it and persevere because it is a long journey, but hopefully it's worthwhile in the end. Exactly. It's worthwhile. Fantastic. Thank you both for everything you do and for giving your time and knowledge and wisdom in so many different aspects to the show.
Conclusion and Call for Stories
00:29:44
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Thank you very much indeed.
00:29:49
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