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Season 6- Episode 13- A Back Three Not Talked About Enough (Champions Cup Round 2)
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It's another episode from those American rugby chucklebrains. On this episode, we are recapping another wild weekend in Champions Cup. First, we are looking at the GOTW from the PWR between Exeter and Gloucester-Hartbury and oh what a match it was indeed. THEN, we take a stroll around Champions Cup, from the Gardens, to Cape Town, to Paris and every in between. Kick back, get something good to drink and enjoy friends!
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Transcript
Introduction and Rugby News
00:00:04
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It is. The Fantasy Robias. My name is Jared Dyke. I wanted to say it's stupid and let's move on, but then you kept going. I'm Ben Glauser. I don't like any way anybody handled that. A collusion.
00:00:26
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Ben Glauser. We're in, lots to talk about, lots to chew on. There are so many times where the rugby news cycle could slow down and that would be awesome. That'd be nice. Because I can't keep up with this shit, man. Especially since we cover so much, but we'll do our best here anyway. We've heard about RJ's name in the same day, so that's...
00:00:54
Speaker
but still just like. Although back miss out on another another big name they were they were going after. Yeah, for the best, honestly, because I'm not sure how they're going to keep on to that count. I mean, some of them, they've got something somewhere. Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, someone's leaving if that if they got any of the one of those somebody currently there is definitely leaving and it's probably not a small name. Right. But so what so it is. So we're here we are. OK, crack them.
00:01:24
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Mine too. There we go.
Engagement and Support Requests
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Find us on your favorite podcast app. Download rate review. All that good stuff. Yeah. Just noticed that I got Storm along again. Yeah. And I said, yeah, I kind of miss it. And plus it tastes like winning championships.
00:01:46
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Catherine Touchy said, saw someone on the fucking train, drinking a storm alarm. Nice. I was like, ugh.
00:01:58
Speaker
Not sure you're supposed to do that, but okay. There's no rules anymore. Honestly, since COVID, I don't think anybody... They stopped enforcing shit like that, but I don't think they're intent on starting again. Throw the rulebook out the fucking window. Like, whatever. Just don't fucking hurt anyone. You'll be fine. Please. Don't ruin it for the rest of us. Go about your business.
00:02:22
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Oh, yeah. Don't fuck it up. That's old news. Somebody else running it for the rest of us. Exactly. Make sure that you buy our good friend George, the, um, the fantasy rugby geek, a coffee. If you did well in your first two rounds of champions cup, you probably owe that man a drink. So go ahead and contribute to that, to that cause for the man. And he appreciates it much.
Discrimination and Politics Discussion
00:02:46
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There is no discrimination here on this podcast or should to be in sports or in life.
00:02:51
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Oh, indeed there is in life, and there is in life at the border and here in the US.
00:02:57
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I've given men, you know, kind of lots of places we're seeing that in the UK as well. But here in the US, we have a very special character, Donald Trump, who keeps running for president, even though he tries to overthrow the government and nobody does anything about it. Yeah. But beyond that, he's also obviously, again, stoking racism and the like, all sorts of bullshit like that. I said something about like, they're poisoning our blood by coming here. And it's like,
00:03:28
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You know, people who say shit like that end up doing a lot worse. And that's what he's trying to do. We all know it. And so that's that's the downside. I was talking to Jared before this, like.
00:03:44
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There's a scene in Get Him to the Greek, where Jonah Hill's character is trying to keep Russell Brand's character sober. He's a rock star, and they're trying to keep him sober for the morning show. And so Jonah Hill drinks all the booze and smokes all the wee, all this stuff, and takes some pills, and he's throwing up a hole from the Today show. And Russell Brand over his shoulder, he's talking to one of the, the whole thing's a shit show. The whole appearance is being a shit show.
00:04:13
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Russell Brand is talking to, I guess, one of the hosts, and they're like, what the hell is going on here? And he points over his shoulder and says, he looks after me. He is the guy who's drunk and stoned and thrown up everywhere. So that's what we have here, because we have the Senate Majority Leader, again, one of the most powerful people in the country, one of the top five, maybe, easily.
00:04:38
Speaker
says, look, the Trump's language is bad. There's no there's no excuse for the way he said it and blah, blah, blah. But he does have a point that the border and it's like, oh, he doesn't have a point. That's the problem. Like, it's just he's just racist. We don't have an immigration problem.
00:04:57
Speaker
Really, there's a lot of jobs we don't do. And that's just the way it is because we don't pay enough and the way their system is set up. So we need people to do that. We need immigration. We need to be nicer to them. We need immigration reform in order to be nice to them.
00:05:16
Speaker
Mm-hmm and help them along so that they can come in and really contribute But instead we get the no send them home and all this shit and again That's not not good for anybody and it certainly fucking sucks that we can't vote There's no option at the voting booth for hey, let's just be kind to people And then yeah, that'll actually help us. There's no there's no option for that and that fucking sucks too and I know my UK brethren are nodding along because their Labour Party is
00:05:44
Speaker
Certainly no better than the Democratic party. It's just right. We can't vote for goodness. It's fucking sucks. Yeah, that'd be a hell of a change, right? Yeah. Boo.
00:05:59
Speaker
Don't be a dick. All right. Too many dicks. Too many dicks. Way too many dicks flopping around around here. We're not enough. Wait. Definitely not the problem. Definitely not the problem. That's true. Definitely not the
Podcast Analytics and Women's Rugby
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Speaking of problems, or not problems, make sure that you grab our Patreon. We should have analytics up this week if they're not yet already. They're not up yet, no. I made them available to you and me for now. For Mayorship. So keep your eyes peeled for that. If you are one of our subscribers and if you want to get it on the air, please hit that magic button and we would appreciate it much. Probably by the time you're listening to it, it will be up. There you go.
00:06:19
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problem.
00:06:40
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unless you're in the UK and you're listening to this like first thing in the morning and I'm asleep, they won't be up then. Yeah, well, you know, you know, you know, yeah, anyway, I'm listening going up until tomorrow anyway. Well, then there you go. Let's go to the
00:06:59
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Premiership Women's Rugby Game of the Week. We had a good one this time. We had a really good one. Exeter and Gloucester Heartbreak. It had everything you'd want, including, at least for the time being, a very, very silent Sandy Park. Yeah, everything you could ask for, right? Everything you could ask for. And then it changed, which made the game interesting, but also frustrating. But also like, no! Yeah. Not want. Don't want. Right.
00:07:28
Speaker
Go away. They were they were they were doing the channel a little bit and then they got loud, especially once they took the lead. I will say that, like, at least the kids aren't doing it. It sounds like the kids are trying to do basically anything that's not that right. Oh, I give the kids credit that are trying to, you know, support the team, but not be a couple of racist assholes. That's the kids know what they're doing. Yeah. If the kids know it, you probably should know it, too. Just saying. Just saying. Just agreeing.
00:07:57
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Anyway, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but to the game, the two, two scores I want to point out where the Monahan try, which came off, um, Emma Sings break. And then I think it was Beckett that did the back door and I was just like, okay, that is sublime. Yeah. And then, so I think it was Claudia McDonald second, the over the top ball came from fucking poppy leech.
00:08:21
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Yes, it did. I was like, that is not supposed to happen. No. That is not supposed to happen. I can't do that. But here's the thing that I like about this new generation of rugby players. They're just being rugby players. If we did that in a match, and I'm someone who used to do that every so often in a match, and remember JoJo yelled the hell out of me when we were in her own tri-zone after, what was it?
00:08:48
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It was against Mystic up at Amesbury. Because I kicked it, that was stupid, but they ended up in our tri-zone. But yeah, forwards mostly shouldn't get, but that's because they're not taught how. The kids are learning and that makes the game that much more exciting. When you see get forwards, just boom in it. We saw it, you know, in Champions Cup too a couple of times. Very fun. Let's make the game more fun. Right. Yeah, it was fully support that.
00:09:19
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It was so good. It was cool that Mia Venner tried too to end it. Almost added nothing. I couldn't quite figure out how that guy... It was one of those... That just got totally cocked.
00:09:33
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I mean, perfect for Gloucester Harpery, but I feel like Exeter just kind of went literally, they just went brain dead, like five of them all at once. Brain fart, no good. She was putting in a shift elsewhere. She had the hold up on, I think it was McDonald the first time, and she basically passed on three tackles to get there and give her tons of credit that's
00:10:02
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Let's work. Great. Cause we know, we know she can attack. We don't be a Vatican can attack, but what completes the whole thing is, yeah, you gotta be able to play defense when the, when the chips are down. And that I would say qualifies right there. So yeah, lots of heartbreak. Do what they did last year and take care of Exeter. And that was not really what I was banking on, but I was kind of hoping for her. Yeah. But Exeter, Exeter at home is usually a different beast, but right. Yeah. They.
00:10:29
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cluster did a hell of a number. Um, but I mean, also in no disrespect to anybody on the exit team, but like I look at that team on paper one through one through eight, like especially is like, wow, just wow. And you know, I think the back three is probably, it's not underrated, but it's probably not talked about as much as it should be.
00:10:58
Speaker
No, not at all. I think that's probably the way to put it. People that know it know it and they're just like, yeah, that is a really good back three between saying hopefully she's okay, Benner and Taylor between those three.
00:11:14
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fucking excellence and who came out the bench for them. No, I mean, so yeah, there's a lot to love about that back three and could get them over the line again this year. We'll see. But like, yeah, lots of love. I think the one thing and it's happening across rugby all altogether.
00:11:35
Speaker
The one thing that giving the tee to someone that's not the 10 can do is allow the 10 to play a little more freely and not have to let the kicking stuff sink into their head. So I think while, you know, and George kicked the last couple, I think, but just one or two, whatever it was.
00:11:53
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Well, after, but that is the upside of giving someone that's not your 10 to T. So, and Singh's been doing a great job when she's not healthy, when she's not hurt rather, when she's healthy. So, yeah. And even on the other side, same thing for, for exit or, you know, Gabby's playing 12, which is probably your best position.
00:12:11
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But also kicking off the tee and keeping, taking the pressure off Tessie, which is, I'm sure she's delighted to
Impact of Player Decisions on Rugby
00:12:18
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have. Yeah. And plus like your 10 makes so many decisions as it is. Like it's going to, like we've seen it with,
00:12:27
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George Ford, where he'll just be like, yeah, give me points, give me points, give me points. And it's like, but your team needs to play. But he's like, but I, I, I kick the points and I get to choose. So I'm picking me. And sometimes that's okay. And sometimes that suits his team's detriment, but like, that's the calculation that they have to do. Whereas if, you know, you're not kicking off the tee, you'll veer towards, okay, well, what does the team need? You know, what do we need? What do I see as a 10? You know, can we attack? Can we, can we capitalize off of this? I think that's,
00:12:58
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Undervalued. Yep. Agreed. Um, other USA, Ruby, noteworthy things, um, from the trail finders, um, fricking Zachary had 19 tackles on the weekend.
00:13:17
Speaker
Yeah. A lot, a lot of not possession. They played, they played Bristol lane. What was the possession? 72 to 28 not possession. So yeah, she was forced to work, but she did it. She's, she's also one happy to do it. And test Sarah burn tear through the defense again, though. Yeah, I mean, yeah, she's good. Yeah. And test theory got over as well for Lester. So well done girls.
00:13:40
Speaker
Maybe, maybe we can find a coach that'll let them all play, play together and not suck. Right. We may have that. I want to want to see it. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see. Lots of other things to solve, but that'd be one thing to solve at least. Okay. Let's go to champions cup for the weekend. Um, we'll start Friday night. Real good stuff with Northampton and
00:14:08
Speaker
Toulon. As much as we all know the name of Toulon, and yes, they throw a lot of cash at this thing, this is not the Toulon of that triple that had the likes of Wilkinson and Gitto.
00:14:26
Speaker
Bucky's what that was on like every team for that one and cut, you know, there were a handful of others. Um, Ali Williams is on two of those three teams. Like, yeah, there was some good players on those team. We're not at that level with when it comes to too long, but damn, just the same. That is putting your hand up for North Hampton and certainly a lot better.
00:14:47
Speaker
Going a lot better in this competition than it did last year at this point They were they were deep shit by the time we got to this point last year. They were they were That defense makes it night and day Absolutely night and day Because they can keep you know Keeping to yeah keeping jolanda to 19 points Even you know, you know, it's just not happening not last year anyway
00:15:18
Speaker
And. Yeah, to me, there's there's like just some stand out like Tom Seabrook has been even that's the role players that they've gotten. The Waller brothers have been magnificent. Langdon has been.
00:15:33
Speaker
Such an improvement. That's key for them. Alex Cole, hopefully he's healthy soon. He's been ridiculous. Kourtney Lawz is like, hey, I'm Kourtney Lawz from six years ago somehow. Right. Turn back the clock. Right. And the role players are just doing a job. And then there's this guy, Tommy Freeman.
00:15:57
Speaker
You may have heard of him. He is fucking strong. Boy is a beast. Right. That's that's not fair. He's so he's fast and strong. And if you play and you play someone like that in space, it's it's troublesome.
00:16:15
Speaker
Because yeah, you have to be quick and strong in return and it doesn't work out very well all the time. As we saw. No, not good. Not good at all. And how about like, how about Dave ribbons coming back and scoring what should have been the game winning try? If not for us to be bawling it. Smart for not celebrating it.
00:16:38
Speaker
No. At the same time. He was gonna, yeah, he's like, no, I'm waiting until the end of this. We ain't done yet. Number one. Number one, we ain't done yet. Number two, this is like a place I spent a long time at. I am not about to just like shake this in their face, which is the smart decision. But yeah, it was, I, I, the one thing I will say is like, I,
00:17:07
Speaker
I'm not going to put the whole loss down to his bad performance, but can somebody please find the real Melvin Gemini? And I know he scored, but like there were other points where I was just like that wouldn't usually happen if this was like his normal self, but it didn't. So yeah, I was like, oh boy, you're this is not the guy I thought I was seeing, but you know, didn't didn't matter that much, but damn.
00:17:30
Speaker
I was like, that's not, that's not the guy I remember. Although he did, he did not that drop goal. I'll give him that. I was just like, okay, that's pretty cool. So I mean, and that is the sign of a class player. You're having a dog shit game. You're just, you know, whatever. And you're able to just step up and get something done for your team. Yeah, it gets up to done. Yeah. And, but yeah, I think most people would agree it was not his best game.
00:17:53
Speaker
Not so much. No moving on. Um, but anyway, he's yeah. So to loner and deep doo doo. Oh, also, um, Finn Smith is ridiculous. And I think he needs to be on the team. Um, in six nations again, cause damn, he can pilot that attack. You don't, you're not supposed to make sense when you talk about that stuff, you know, at least not, at least not the way other people do it. Yeah.
00:18:23
Speaker
Uh, yeah. I mean, there were a couple of these this weekend, but better team one in Glasgow. And like you said, the, the, yeah, you said the, the team that probably has more talent, you know, and I'm not saying that they're the band doesn't have talent, but like,
00:18:43
Speaker
Do their, is there much else? They, they have like, they have national and they have three Lopez and like a couple other, you know, you know, Luke Tangy's there and, um, research. Yeah. Did he come off the bench? Yeah, he did. Came on for tea version for a whole one carry and three passes. Where did he come in? That's the thing. They didn't really do much.
00:19:11
Speaker
Right. No, it was like this was just this is a good like exit or sale match kind of thing. Like let's log it out. Just ugly. You know, it was one of those. OK, we just wrap it up. I get I get where this is going. I just want to get to the finish line. We all know how this ends. Let's just go. Yeah.
00:19:34
Speaker
We all know what's going to happen here. Let's just get on with it, right? Right. And like, yeah, it was going to, it should, it should have been Glasgow. Glasgow. Um, so I, so I used to work in Glasgow, Delaware, which the locals also call Glasgow, but it really annoys them when you call it Glasgow. So I used to call it that. Um, so that slipped out because I've been now drinking a little bit. So yeah, no, I always thought they were going to win. It's just like, okay, just get it done.
00:20:05
Speaker
Do we, do we, we done now? Just wrap it, like I said, wrap it up and yeah, it took them what? Um, 56 minutes to finally just be like, yeah, we're, we're going to close this out. Yeah. Um, and some of that was the fact that they, yeah, they, they got the Xander figures in card. Just go away. Just go away. So that's right.
00:20:33
Speaker
I saw someone saying that he's, they were, they were putting him in their futures team for 2024 as like going to be like a world-class, like here's what, here's the new world-class group and include Alexander Fagerson. And I was like, I don't need to, I don't know what I need to read further. Yeah, but also like future. What's no, no, I don't know. Maybe it was a different Fagerson that I don't know about.
00:20:55
Speaker
I was like, that's the only one I know of. So he's 27, but he's not going to get that much better. Right. That's the thing. And he's not that good as it is. So like if it was somebody like, you know, if, if he was, um, Oh shit. Who's like, or like a, um,
00:21:20
Speaker
but Jamal Ford Robinson or Valor Pava Ruskin, something like that, who everybody's like, yeah, they could be really good, but maybe if they were playing well and got an invite to England and all that stuff, yeah, all suddenly, boom, more Val than Jamal Ford at that point. But that's a maybe. But Fagerson, who's been, we've seen what he is. Yeah, this is not a mystery. This is him. What you see is what you get. Absolutely. So I was just very confused by that.
00:21:50
Speaker
think you and a lot of people. But then I also I've also been known to just like. Throw a fucking name out there on a 15 of the year list, shocking, I know, just because I feel like it, so I can't really knock it in the end. It's just it was very confusing. Yeah, it's it's still probably not accurate. At some point, at some point, I can at least make an argument for some of those stupid ones I do.
00:22:15
Speaker
Yeah. I'm sure this guy, I'm sure this person, I don't know what the argument is there for, for, for, for, yeah, I wouldn't know it either. Honestly. Well, let's go to talk about Saturday. So let's go down to Cape town. Stormers and, and La Rochelle and La Rochelle are in trouble. Two time champions are in deep doo doo. They are. So they are.
00:22:45
Speaker
I don't know what else to say about that. Who did they play last week? There was that. Leinster. Leinster. Yeah. And I got to say, hold on, let me let me go back. I wasn't. I don't remember being hugely impressed by Leinster, so I'm just not. Yeah. And like this week against sale, so I'm just like, what? Right. What are they then?
00:23:13
Speaker
Well, you know, there I, I can, but I don't at the same time. I imagine that the loss of algebra is that bad, but at the same time, it may be that bad. It could be that bad.
00:23:25
Speaker
We were talking about before, he was one of the best number eights in the world. Yeah. Already jumping him for the time being, having won World Player of the Year, but that's... That happens. That's it, you know? Yeah. Okay, you're worse than the World Player of the Year at your position. I'd say you're still pretty good at your job, but just gonna throw it out there. So, you know... He's in that clap. Like, when you talk about the best eights,
00:23:52
Speaker
He's if he's not up up there for for you He's still he's in your top three in top two if you're being really serious Yeah, if you're being really honest and smart, yeah And that hurt. Yeah, that does hurt Because then like, you know body how many dumb dumbass moves did he make in this match? Probably the same as mass. He made in the last match The game player the match didn't
00:24:21
Speaker
I don't know. That's what I got right here. Really? Didn't he? I thought he dropped a bunch of South Africans making the decision. So what are you going to do? But the bottom line is like, if this is truly the defending champions, the defending two-time champions, no matter who's on the field, you've got to put these guys away. And I know the other side has a lot of talent too, and they have a lot of
00:24:47
Speaker
Um, really good players, especially in that back line. Um, and we saw the way the stormers could fight last week. So it's not an, it, it should have been a red flag. Like if you couldn't get out in front of this team by a good margin and seven and a half time is not enough. Um, you're always going to be in trouble. So they were, they were always put at risk for this to happen. And, you know, I don't think Christophe Ridley is a good, very good referee, but you know, what happened happened in.
00:25:15
Speaker
Unfortunately, they did leave themselves in this type of position. And that just that just sucks. Yeah. Can we can we talk just a brief moment about Manny Lebok and that that kick to win it where he was like what a couple of months ago to now, weeks ago. Well, yeah, because that's.
00:25:36
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It hurts when people are calling for your job to be taken away. Granted, it was by one of the better 10s in the world, but it's on the biggest stage and you want to perform on that. It's not going to make you feel very good about your abilities or yourself. The best see that and then say, okay, that's what I got to work on now.
00:26:03
Speaker
stones to hit that with the clock red meant a hell of a lot. I mean, yeah, that's, that's, it's got, you know, you're going in the right direction, you have to go through the shit to get good. And you know, not it doesn't sound always
00:26:20
Speaker
easy. So it's not linear. It's, you know, you're going to take backwards steps. That's how, that's how these types of things work. And yeah, but I just like to see, you know, that's, that's, that's what overcoming adversity is though. You know, you can get sad setbacks and he's like, no, fuck it. I'm not going to, I mean, obviously you're not going to stop. You have that much pride, but
00:26:37
Speaker
Some people let that just be them. Like, yeah, I'm bad at kicking. It sucks, I know. But no, instead of being like, no, I'm going to start nailing kicks so that my country can count on me because they need me. I need it. They will. Yeah. Because he's obviously much younger than Paul Hart, so they're going to need him. He's young girls, but that way. So they're going to need him in Australia in 27. So that's how that is.
00:27:05
Speaker
Let's go over to the stone axe a little bit better than it's been the last couple weeks for the guys in black start a little hairy but it's not a lot hairy but at the same time it was. Potentially mad it was it was like okay this could either.
00:27:20
Speaker
be one of those matter of time games or, um, this is going to quickly become a fuck. This is going to be that game where it just sucks the whole time. And we kind of got, we saw kind of early that that was not going to be the case. So that, yeah, it was easily. Okay. You know, once Gonzo got over, it was like, all right, there's life in them. Just wait.
00:27:46
Speaker
Yes. Then jinxy. Then jinxy. It was like, OK. No, I see where this is going. This is good. We're good. We're doing all right. I'm doing all right. Hartley. Oh. Oh. I am so excited for this kid. Yeah. Damn. I mean, obviously, you know, they were easy set up tries, but still like you have to read it and you have to know what's happening and you have to get the hell you have to fucking get there and get it down like.
00:28:12
Speaker
all those things still need to happen. There's a lot of people that could screw that up. So, but a bar that, you know, he still had, you know, a couple, he had a line breaker too. He was busy with his tackles. Like he's going to be solid. Do I want him, if I have my preferred center pairing, it's probably Tompkins and Sinti, but I'm not going to be mad if he's getting more time too. So. And I wouldn't be mad with Sinti on the wing.
00:28:39
Speaker
Yeah, he did pretty well. Although, yeah, he just doesn't he doesn't have the breakneck speed that we're missing bar bar Lewington. But right. But I mean, still over over Maitland, I would like if it was if it was Lewington is definitely a nail on starter to me. Maitland is the rotation guy. And since you should be the the starter there, but that's.
00:29:00
Speaker
That's just me. I get the sense. I thought he played well defensively too. I thought he was not at all like a liability. Some guys who have that flash, Roddy, sometimes laps defensively, although to be fair, Roddy's getting better. He has gotten better and hopefully gets healthy soon. But yeah, since he looks like...
00:29:22
Speaker
I like these, the, the Argentines that the, uh, the Sarries have, have brought on. They're, they're, they're fun to watch. Yeah. I get the sense. This will also be, um, this will be Maitland's last.
00:29:37
Speaker
season with boys. He just signed an extension, but it was only for a year, I think. Solid player. I mean, when we lost Maylands, it was like, Gary, we do need some sort of continuity, I guess would be the way to say it, but solid, but not going to light the world on fire. Knows the game plan always, and is usually in the right spot. Is he going to blow you away? Hell no, he is not.
00:30:00
Speaker
Hell no. Although, I mean, he will when he has to run on nobody, like when Faz put him into space. Yeah. What a fucking dart that was. Yep. That was an absolute laser. And that's why he's still one of the best 10s in the world. Right. Because you could put Sean Maitland into that gap. I know. There are a few who can. You can make him look good. I think you got something going on here. Right. And, you know, there was points for
00:30:31
Speaker
I was just like, oh, fucking hell. Can you guys go away, please? There were definitely points where I was like, you guys can go away now. Although it's good to see the King scoring. I don't mind that. That's fine. He's welcome to have a try at his pleasure. I was laughing. I was like, I know I think it is. Oh, man. Laughing so hard. I was like, all right, I guess. I guess. Yeah, too funny. Too funny.
00:31:00
Speaker
but it's good. I mean, Hey, I, this is, this was a get right game for the guys in black. And hopefully that gets us kicks the season on. Cause one, I still want, obviously for us, I still want to win the, win the prime, but I would like to be in the last four at least of this fricking competition too. And the only way that happens is if we, you know, at least finish top two in our pool. So yeah, I don't think, I don't think that should be a problem.
00:31:29
Speaker
We'll see. We get two tough ones left. I think Bordeaux is next there, which is not going to be fun, especially after what? They're still into it. But that's the thing. The Bears were outmatched from the jump. Right. I mean, yes. Look at the look at. I mean, Worsley, really, this was not a team that was going to compete. No. In fact, that they still scored 17 points. I mean, yeah, it was a garbage time. So so Bordeaux kind of had given up by then.
00:31:58
Speaker
Right still like this was I mean, there's some people people I wanted to see in this someone could be wrong. Like, I like Noah Huard. I like peers. I haven't seen enough of him lately, obviously. Revovo at 11 sound sounded cool. And then it was Oscar Lennon.
00:32:17
Speaker
US. US Eagles. Hello. Hello. Anybody, anybody home? Pick up the phone and call this kid, would you? Because we need, you know, the Haas can't be our only answer at nine if we're going to have a shot at anything in 27 or 31. Then you look across the field, holy fuck balls.
00:32:41
Speaker
Right. I mean, that's just a sound. You know, Diabi's a quality operator, always has been. Petty is international. Poirot is former international. Poirot, Luku, Jallibert. So this is the part that scares me when we when we play these guys. I mean, obviously you can go get to it, which is Villebieri, Penno and Burroughs. That's not fun. No, that is really, really going to be a tough part. So yes. Yeah, everything's going to have to be just right for Saris to get this done because they're going to go there and it's going to be ugly, I think.
00:33:09
Speaker
this will not be it. That will not be a game for anybody to watch at home. That's going to be one for the fans and the fans of those teams only. But anyway, Bristol. Yeah, that's it. They're really, they didn't send a team to compete and they didn't compete. I don't think that was anything. I think that they saw, I mean, I think that Pat Lamb saw what he needed to see, what he wanted to see. I think he wasn't, you know,
00:33:37
Speaker
This, that was kind of the expectations in me. That's not bad. You kept them under 40. That doesn't happen to every team. I mean, it can act. I mean, it's. Yeah. It was at home too. So, yeah. Oh, no, they were on the road. I'm just saying they were, oh, no, I mean, like this kind of against saris, like they, oh, yes, saris dropped 55 on them. It's, you know, keeping, keeping Bordeaux under, under 30, you know, under 40.
00:34:04
Speaker
That's a that's reasonable. I'd be OK with that. I'd walk away. We got a couple of kids. Right. We got to get you some experience and we didn't completely piss down our legs. Good job. Well done, guys. That's really lay on in balls. Went down to squeaky bum time. It really did. I mean, why? I have to say Mike Adams, it is terrible. He is so bad. He is so bad. It was not good.
00:34:33
Speaker
he was, I was like, does he know what he's looking at? So many times I found myself asking myself that I was like, does my cat have to know what he's seeing? And nobody's looking at, cause his interpretations are usually head scratchers. And I, I don't understand. So anybody else got speed. So I got to say in terms of that. Um, but anyway, to the actual game. Yeah. How the hell did Leon, let bulls hang around this long and
00:35:04
Speaker
I mean, Bulls, Bulls had this game too. That's the crazy thing. Yeah. Like I went in at half looked like they could reasonably be in control. And but at the same time, it was it was definitely like it wasn't full control yet. I don't know how else to describe it. They had the upper hand, but
00:35:26
Speaker
That was it. And then they just kind of, they never, they never wrestled it to the ground. If they had, they just like kind of kept it down. That's one thing, but yeah, I'd let up 17 points second half. I mean, as happens when you're, you're traveling like this, that's, that's not easy. No, that's, that's the chat. That's the sucky thing about this fourth. It's that helps the Saffa teams and it also works against them, but this was also kind of a change team, right? This was like not their, not exactly their starters that they sent. No, no way. Yeah. I find it.
00:35:58
Speaker
I'm torn. I'm at odds when it comes to like naming change teams. Just South Africa, I guess I get it because it is a long ass trip. But like teams that are changing to go away to France or away to Ireland, like the fuck you doing? Like that ain't that long of a trip. Get over it. Right. Right. Like compete. If you're not going to compete, then don't fucking compete. If you're going to compete, fucking do it. God damn it. Like I get so annoyed at some of this stuff.
00:36:24
Speaker
Right. Like this, I understand. And I, you know, it makes sense. And that's that's the way they're going to have to play is they know they're making two trips. They can kind of write those games off. They just have to win their home matches. That's what has to happen for the Saffa teams. And as long as they do that, they'll make it to the next round likely.
00:36:43
Speaker
we'll make it to the knockouts and then you go from there and then be like, okay, now we'll send our full team north. Cause now it's about when not just about competing. Yeah. So yeah, you know, good on Leon, but fuck that should have been if like, that's one of those, I'm still looking at Leon and like, are you for real? I don't know. Yeah, we'll see. I mean,
00:37:09
Speaker
good and bad in this game that they, that they named. Although, um, anybody that's playing Leon, especially in this competition from now on, a C note to anybody that can take PJ's head off, please. Yeah. Go, go right ahead. Um, yeah. The back line wasn't that altered, but the exception of the one guy that is obviously missing, which is red Radra. And I wonder if you picked up something or not, but other than that, like that's pretty much the same back line.
00:37:38
Speaker
So, I don't know. The fricking backup hooker made a name for himself. Might've just earned himself a couple more starts. The way he played. Yeah, that dude was dynamic. Good on him. A dynamic hooker. Who knew? Imagine how good that is sometimes. Or, you know, always. To the RDS.
00:38:07
Speaker
made it ugly for a little while there, Lenser, but now and even let, you know, sale lead at half, but they eventually figured out, oh yeah, we have all these international players and we're like one of the best teams in the world. Right. Club wise, at least. Running Toulouse Vallandou at us. What the fuck? Let's, let's fix this.
00:38:27
Speaker
Yeah. So they, they, they sorted their shit out, but yeah, it took them a little bit of time to, to do as such. And I was like, Oh, okay. That's kind of weird. But, um, you know, good. I'm, I think. If Wensor can continue to, um, kind of just muscle their way through a few more games with the likes of Prendergast and, uh, Frawley, uh, steering the ship.
00:38:56
Speaker
It'll pay dividends at the end of the season for sure, because then they'll, you know, these guys, these kids will, I mean, probably just play quite a bit, but print our guests less so until recent times. It's going to come good for them. So if they can, you know, they can certainly lean on the pack.
00:39:12
Speaker
to get the, get the job done. Porter, she in, um, James Ryan, Ryan Baird, Doris, obviously Vanderfleer. Um, you know, they'll have a few, a few more guys coming back and getting healthy. LL toe was on the bench today for a long, um, condolences to the for longs and that's what's going on with him. Um, yeah, he's because his dad died. So that's why he's not been playing. Um,
00:39:38
Speaker
I'm just saying for him, I don't know. I don't know if he'd be very valuable. I think he would be, but with that, um, yeah, there's lots to lean on in the forwards and he does have some quality operators and likes the headshot and Gary Ringrose and the outside of, so they're surrounding these guys. What's up? It's just as long as they're on the pitch and Shaw. Yeah, I know. So I can stay on the pitch dummy. Um, as long as you guys are on, as long as these guys are willing and able. Yeah. Like.
00:40:07
Speaker
This is something that most people would kill wearing that 10-shirt for a club. Everything around them is topped here. They just need to learn how to let the guys around them do their job and then they can add their flair when needed. It seems like they're getting the hang of that, especially after this week.
00:40:29
Speaker
I think that's one thing that Ross Byrne wasn't necessarily good at, and that's why he's kind of fallen down the pecking order. He hasn't quite gotten that. He didn't quite understand that he doesn't need, you don't need to be Johnny Sexton. You just need to understand how to let other people do their jobs well, and then your little wrinkle will be that much better. I just don't think he ever understood that, so that's why he's tumbled quite far down the list here.
00:40:57
Speaker
Yeah. And, um, can somebody just fire Johnny Hill? Can we be done with it? Oh, he's such a twat. Yep. He is now just shithouse Hill. That's all he is. Right. That's all. And yeah, that's all he does is. It's all he's really ever been, but the few, the few times he didn't do shithouse, he actually was good, but like all he's ever done, all he's done for the last like three years is just shithouse. It's like, yeah, okay, cool.
00:41:25
Speaker
I don't need that on my team. I'm good. And I can, I got enough guys that can shit house and play and play rugby. I'm good. And it does, you know, hearten me for the future of England that, uh, Bortho has basically said, get the fuck out. Yeah. And there's still, there's still a lot coming too. Yeah. So there's a lot of growing talent in England too. So that's like, yeah. So he's gone by the wayside thing. Right. Johnny Hill is now like,
00:41:56
Speaker
The game's not what you are anymore. No, it hasn't been for a bit. No. And it's no longer becoming a kind of guy. Yeah, you can have a round on your team because you need a little bit of toughness too. No, now you're just a liability. Yeah, really. Straight up. Really. Really, really. Speaking of liability. Yeah, let's go. Ollie Lawrence. Yeah. Extreme liability. Extreme liability.
00:42:25
Speaker
But so let's, let's talk up this Cardiff team because we talked, we, we were, we put on a pretty hard. Um, so I do want to talk them up a little bit because this was good. This was fucking good from the fellows from, from Cardiff. Like, damn, I, nobody raise your hand if you're expecting this, unless you're a Cardiff fan, even then. So I'm sure some were like, nah, never happening. Um,
00:42:50
Speaker
And, you know, the people that want to, for me, one of the players that stood out quite well was Thomas Williams.
00:42:58
Speaker
the nine playing like he's an international nine and a tier one international nine. And yeah, definitely doing things that it was like, not sure it was Thomas Williams doing. Yeah. Right. Right. I was like, we got the same person here. Yep. Check the roster. It's him. Okay. I mean, really, would you be able to pick Thomas Williams out of a lineup?
00:43:23
Speaker
No, I mean, no. Are we sure it was actually him? That's all I'm saying. Well, I'm quite sure the pictures I saw on the Twitters plus what I saw on the TV match. So I think we're in the right spot. I think you go back and edit that, man. You know how they do these things now. Yeah. I got your 10 hat over here, buddy. Anyway, so yes, great fucking game from Cardiff.
00:43:53
Speaker
I do hope this gives them some sort of platform to launch from going forward, because yes, they came out on the wrong side of it still, but now you got two points, and Sherry's got standing, which was probably two more than a lot of people thought you were gonna get, so. And, you know, let's kind of talk about that other team, because they're actually really fucking good. I mean, that's a, yeah, might not be like their best squad, but it's not far off.
00:44:23
Speaker
by any stretch. I mean, certainly you look at the, the tight five. Yeah. It's when you get to like Clodie versus and Coetzee without, you know, under hill or, um, they've got, they've got a whole bunch of sevens, I think that are better than what they brought there. Still Alfie Barbary who yes, please. And then basically everyone from nine to 15 is just,
00:44:42
Speaker
Um, either, either international like stud international or should be international or will be international kind of quality out there. I mean, maybe not Tom DeGlanville. He might not make it, but that's only because there's a log jam in front of him more so than, I mean, he's a good fly. He's a really good 15. Yeah. And your, I thought played a very solid all around match. Yep.
00:45:09
Speaker
And that, like the, the coconut thing that we've seen this season, but especially the last few games, probably the last two champions cut plus plus, like that's what I'm waiting to see at an international level. He's shown flashes of it. And then I'm just like, where the fuck did he go? And that is what he needs more often than not at the next tier. So hopefully this forum continues and he gets another chance and he's got to stay healthy. He's better than Johnny May.
00:45:40
Speaker
Let's put it that way. No argument out of me. I mean, he's now shown, like, yeah, some of the things that Johnny May can do is that those little acrobatically dippity do things.
00:45:48
Speaker
Um, when he's got, you know, when most other tried, uh, most other wings would just kind of walk over and dot it down, um, because he's slow. He has to, to make it, you know, crazy. Um, talking to sing. It can take tried like things that shouldn't be tries and make them into tries using those acrobatics. So, um, and he can outstrip you. Yeah. Give me, give me some, please. Yeah. That was strong too. Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:14
Speaker
So in the end, you know, the name of the game, this game is get it done. Yeah. And Beth got done and they now have five, they have 10 on the board now. So they're in prime position. I'm excited to see more of them every week. I see something more than I'm like, yeah, I like this team a lot. Yeah. I mean, the number 10 is not so bad. So that does help. Does help.
00:46:41
Speaker
And then let's go into the other, the other late game on Saturday. What the fuck is going on? Right. Overall. Well, on the whole, on the whole, yes. But in specific Rossing, what in the, I wasn't the, what what's going on? No idea.
00:47:09
Speaker
Cause that's not a, that's again, you look through this team, you're like, damn, that's, they got, they got some players at every level of this team. And they're just pooping it. Um, I'm kind of wondering, like, is, is Imoph past his due date now? Oh yeah.
00:47:30
Speaker
I mean, like, it was one of those, you know how sometimes you have like a banana, you're like, you know what, I think I can have this for another day. I think it'll be all right if I wait till tomorrow. And then you turn around tomorrow and it's like, oh, it's like, it's bad.
00:47:47
Speaker
made a terrible decision. Right. That's like what I feel like happened with him off. It's like he was OK. He's still all right. Yeah. Maybe I could use this for a daiquiri suit now. No, don't. What the hell? This is like liquid. What the hell just happened? Yeah. And they can't use Aaron. They don't know how to use Arendelle at all. Like not once did they be like, OK, Henry, go into space. We give you the ball in space where you run with ball. Then they didn't like why do you I don't understand why he resigned there now. It's like, how is that better than
00:48:15
Speaker
Money, money. Yeah, that's true. Money, money. That'll do it. But yeah, this is not the Rossing team that we're used to seeing. No. By any stretch. Yeah, they have some, like you said, they have quality up and down at every level in terms of the
00:48:39
Speaker
you know, the positions, um, Laura is a nobody at this point. He needs more useful as a second row anyway. So, um,
00:48:49
Speaker
Yeah, it's, you know, a couple guys definitely pass. That is kind of the problem, right? Because you have Wokey who's basically who internationally, isn't he a lock? Or do they have him a flank too? They've kind of tossed him back and forth a little bit, but he's mostly played lock. So like, you have him, Laurier, Roland, who is an out and out lock, he can he's that's it. He used to be a little bit more mobile, but he's a little too old now. He's just a banger. But not
00:49:18
Speaker
Not like better than Johnny Hill, but it's only slightly. He's he's like a year away from being Johnny Hill. Any any of these shit houses less. Right. Right. Without the shit house. Yeah. And so, yeah, you just got a bunch of slow guys and Khaleesi is not. He's a good flanker. But to me, I it's weird. I don't see him as an open side. I see him more as a as a blind side does a lot of it that he can run in space. Can you do stuff with the ball? But mostly he does this talking on defense.
00:49:47
Speaker
Um, yeah I think they I think they would have been so it's just a lot of there's not much attack there And then when you have you know, and fiku is a banger Um, he's more dynamic. He's a fucking He's he's a one-off guy. He is a he's a straight line Everybody get on his back and hope right back home guy, but that's all he is and emoth can't stretch the diva So it's just a lot of guys and she bears. All right, like like eric. I think he he
00:50:15
Speaker
tried to work into space and a lot of times and nobody was there to help. So yeah, they're just going to finish to themselves a couple times. Right. Always once.
00:50:26
Speaker
I do believe in what and Lancaster is going to, you know, be someone that a lot of people just never forget because of 2015. But I do believe that he's doing the right thing with this nine and 10. It's like this is the nine and 10 he wants going forward. And they're both fairly young. Like, yeah, ride these guys and live with their growing pains. And because the talent is obvious between the two of these kids. Like, yeah, very much is. So I would be definitely doing what he's doing. They got to surround them with better.
00:50:55
Speaker
Yeah. Help them out. Help them nurture them. Yeah, they got to help. They got to help Arendelle and Max Spring get loose. VQ, same thing. Yeah, I think they just need a little bit more dynamism.
00:51:06
Speaker
Either shove on the OEM off, not both, let's put it that way. To me, I think you need the more mobility in the forwards. Because with the mobile forwards, that allows you to run it towards space with your backs and still have coverage. But what's happening here is, if you get it to a FICU or even an Arendelle or Spring, and they run, there's nobody there to support them, except for other runners.
00:51:28
Speaker
Because everybody else is too fucking slow. They're all way behind you. Yeah, you've only run 10 meters. They're 10 meters behind you. Yeah, problem. The mobility and the forwards, it doesn't exist there and is absolutely required if you're going to be able to run with the guys who can run. They have some
00:51:53
Speaker
good guys there. I think a few of them are banged up and that's part of the problem as well. Like Diallo, I think was just coming off and maybe not, but either way he didn't finish the game. Cause what little time he got, he fucking was bye-bye fast. So another one, um, can we, can we go? That was another one I remember coming.
00:52:12
Speaker
coming into the light last year and I don't think he's been healthy. So I think there's good mobility available in terms of the roster. I think it's just a lot of it's banged up right now. Okay. And they were away. Maybe they just, but at the same time, you just lost it home.
00:52:29
Speaker
You've really needed a win. That's the other part of this, that they kind of annoy me. Like you really need, and they just didn't, I felt like they didn't show up. And no, just respect to Ulster. I'm not trying to, no, Nick Timoney. There's been somebody, I keep hearing this name that somebody keeps banging in my ear about Nick Timoney. Fucking dude's good, man. I'm telling you. I'm telling you, he's been good for a while. Oh, that's right, it was you, yeah. I'm telling you, man. He's been good for a bit, and I'm just glad it fucking finally showed up on the score sheet, because that's not,
00:52:59
Speaker
It's not the only place that you judge it, but damn, it sure helps when you freaking dot down a couple. But they were also hustle tries. They weren't like...
00:53:07
Speaker
Oh, I'm so much more talented. It's like, no, I'm going to know where I need to be and be there and just do the right thing at the right time. That's underrated because he's got the other stuff. He's good defensively. He is quite the runner, but you kind of need that finisher. That's its own skill.
00:53:31
Speaker
Not like a day viewers finisher where you just flop, flop over. Yeah, flop over the line for a meter. Even I can do that. Yeah, I found ways to do that as well. Yeah, it's not, no. No, Timonese tries or try scorers tries. The guy that was player of the match I do want to talk about a little bit, Stuart McCloskey. I've enjoyed watching him for a bit now and, you know, getting back on, getting on Island's radar was awesome for him.
00:54:01
Speaker
I think he's developing into what they needed to be because to start out, he was what you thought of as a typical 12. He just ran lines and ran hard and it was difficult to tackle, but he has become so much more and that's a credit to him. I'm sure there were other people giving him a hand here and there that were both in the coaching staff at Ulster, but also in the island staff and the island playing squad as well that gave him some hands.
00:54:28
Speaker
I want to give him credit for just developing into so much more than just a straight line runner. Cause you could do that and you can still make a career if you do it well. But he didn't settle for that. He decided I'm going to be much more because I want to one, help my team, but to help my career. So, uh, yeah, well, it's a credit to Stuart McCloskey and player of the match in a match like this. Well deserved. Well deserved, sir. Sunday.
00:54:56
Speaker
Oh shit, there was a Sunday. Were there other games Sunday? Holy fuck. That was, yeah. These were... I'd say overall better. Because they were all, you know, they were all fun to watch. Even the one that wasn't like, they were either close or they were entertaining. Right. Loads of fun. We'll take... The only problem is that Exeter won.
00:55:23
Speaker
That's always a problem. Especially with their bullshit. And it was quiet. Monster were leading at half. We had a nice quiet Sandy Park. And then Exeter went and ruined that. Yeah. They didn't learn. I mean, as much as Reynold totally cocked half this match. Yeah, Monster did not learn. Skinner should have been sent off, by the way. Yes.
00:55:49
Speaker
Cause well, at the very least that was a yellow last week. It's too long, like four eggs are like, I think, I think I want everyone to understand these guys are absolutely getting every 50 50 call right now. So when, when one goes the wrong way, I'm just like, you got nothing to complain about. You've gotten every, and probably some 60 40 calls if we're honest with them being the 40. So I don't know how that happens. I don't know. That's penalty only. I don't, I don't get it. That's a French call for sure.
00:56:17
Speaker
That's what that is. Yeah. Yeah. Because Busby gave that last week as a freaking yellow. So it's like, come on, man. What are we like in general, like rugby refereeing is just ass right now. It really is. And it's not because we don't the, I think every referee that's been given the whistle this weekend has the ability. And there's only a few that I would just be like, yeah, he should be here and he should be here. Um, and there's one, she should be here too, but nobody fucking picks her, but that's different. Yeah, they'll get there. They'll get there. Um,
00:56:47
Speaker
A couple of those, probably, actually. But anyway, for being honest, more than one. There's like the consistency across the board just is dog shit. And it's like there's always going to be like little things that are different about each country and each referee in general. But like right now they're night and day, which is not OK. That's the thing. Like little nuances. Yep. All right. Cool. Like we know Carly's a stickler and he's kind of a dick. And we know, you know, Luke Pierce wants to play fast and whatever and stuff like that.
00:57:17
Speaker
But there's some that's just like, holy shit, you are ass. And your interpretations are like light years off of what most people would expect. So yeah, what the fuck? Like, yes, we don't want to be freaking calling referees out on Twitter and threatening families. But like at the same time, well, Ruby, do something about the quality because it sucks. Right. It truly does. The consistency and the quality is truly dog shit. And it shouldn't have dropped off that far just because Wayne Barnes retired. Right. Right. It feels like like
00:57:46
Speaker
There's been a couple of retirements and now it's like, wait, there's just nobody who's any good. It's like, I don't get it. I don't get it. Anyway, what I don't get about the game is how Munster was like, they even talked about it early on in the match or at first half, I believe the comms prodded up and they're absolutely right.
00:58:08
Speaker
that Exeter play a very narrow defense. They want you to run into this wall of forwards. And teams oblige them on it. But we saw it last week when their opposition didn't. We saw it this week when Munster off the bat, we're like, no, we're going to spin it wide. We get around that narrow wall, and there's nobody.
00:58:34
Speaker
Like, if you run two forward phases at Exeter in a series, in a sequence, you've lost. They've won that, the sequence. You might as well kick the ball away and try it again, because they'll kick it right back to you if you play a little solid defense. But you run one forward crash, you pin somewhere in that wall, and then you go around them, and they can't fucking stop you at all.
00:59:00
Speaker
We saw the, you know, Nash's try. Um, Aaron's try. Holy crap. Yeah. Like boy scoots fucking moose out there. Giraffe major league giraffe. I mean, and even free like they're, they're getting the ball in space and just roasting that defense. Yep. And then you suddenly like, okay guys, that's cool. Let's change things.
00:59:29
Speaker
What the fuck are you doing? And then if it starts going wrong, why don't you be like, hey, why don't we go back to the thing that worked? That was squared tries for us. Right. And I agree. And I said when he came on, like, oh, this is a luxury to have Connor Murray.
00:59:45
Speaker
It ended being kind of a detriment, because that's not his game either. He has the ability to do that, but he just didn't. And I was like, what the, like, what are you doing, dude? And I know you love a foot, and that's not a mystery. And that's probably one of the reasons he stopped starting for Ireland. But still, his pass is still fucking crisp. Like, I know you're not going to be a threat around the breakdown. That's not news, but like- You don't need to be, though. You need to like- Still, like, some of the stuff that Casey was throwing was great, you know? So here's my thing. If you're an older Scrumhalf like that,
01:00:16
Speaker
right? You don't want to run breakdown to breakdown to breakdown to breakdown. You don't want to do 10 meter sprints and squats. The knees don't do that as well. Every crouch could be your last. I wouldn't get up. I can't.
01:00:40
Speaker
So like at some point you want to be like, all right, we're just fucking, I'm winging this ball. We're going, go wide. And I can take a jog up, you know, 20 meters and one way and then 10 the neck and okay, here we go. Now we're going back the other way. I can feed it off and oh yeah, the wing on that side. You, you take this one and I'll get the next face.
01:00:58
Speaker
Open it up and then you're just walking back to the tri line or to the to midfield because your boys have scored like yep To me, it's funny. It's it's just like if you're being you're really being lazy. You want an open attack? That's the irony of the whole thing it is Anyway, fuck you Sandy Park, let's go to let's go to the stoop cleansing to lose ice and I said we said if
01:01:27
Speaker
Quinn's could manage this, then that would definitely signal to the rest, but that was kind of a tall order. Probably not fair to them. I think the one thing I'm disappointed with, and I'm sure the coaching staff is, they could not edge out a bonus point out of this whole thing, which would have been very helpful for them. The last 10 things just went to pieces. Yeah. Oh, you could say.
01:01:54
Speaker
And Peter Aki, I thought that yellow, was that the yellow that should have been a red? I don't remember. I might just think I... Yes. Yeah, I think I was... Yeah, because that was the lamb one. Yeah. Yeah, hopefully the lamb's okay. Yeah, I don't know how that wasn't a red, but... And there were a couple other ones that are just like why...
01:02:17
Speaker
you know, Busby doesn't mind high tackles and shit like that. What do you want to do? Busby split. Yeah. Then he gives an arbitrary yellow for something that didn't need to be a penalty either last week. So it's like, yeah, fuck off. Would you, um, but I thought, you know, and I thought the twins as, as, as individuals fronted up pretty well. I mean, um, James Chisholm played
01:02:41
Speaker
60 fantastic minutes before coming off for Chandler Cunningham South, which I think is actually, that was a pretty good, because of how well Chisholm played, I think that was the right call for this one. Worked out well, yeah. Dom Brandt, he's getting his head right, I think. We need to see more of this from him and more even.
01:03:06
Speaker
To me, that would be nice, right? If your quins and Ernie Herb's squirting your two tries. He's like, why the fuck am I doing this shit? Something's gone wrong. And as we can see, yeah, something went wrong.
01:03:24
Speaker
Yeah, because that's how DuPont is really good. And yeah, I mean, I was just gonna say, I mean, there's, there's a list of guys that you just don't want to have space and they just allowed him way too much air. They really did. Like you almost got to put someone like to mark him and just be like, wherever he goes, you follow him. Yeah. If you're off sides and get the fuck on sides, but know where the fuck he is the whole time. Right. You know, you just got to do that. And
01:03:52
Speaker
because it's really hard to just beat this team. Anything that's got Anton DuPont, if you give him room to run. And that's just how it is. And he's still good. It'd be interesting to see how this team reacts once he's gone. They'll have him for...
01:04:10
Speaker
the remaining pool games, I believe. That's what I heard. And then he's gone. So after that, that's so they'll finish well. They will. But what they do after that will be interesting. Like, who's the next guy in line? Who's I mean, like, does he ever come off? He barely comes off. So yeah, he was did he cut you didn't come off. No, he moved away. I think if you don't start then and you have Anton DuPont as at your position, you're fucked because he's not coming off.
01:04:40
Speaker
That's that. Yeah, I don't know. I'm also speaking of Will Porter. Mm hmm. I thought he did one hell of a job on DuPont. I got just a good job in general, like it was one of those were when when I kind of wasn't paying too close attention to it.
01:05:05
Speaker
I mean, I was watching it like I would a normal nine. I wasn't paying any special, in other words, I'm not paying any special attention to the fact that it's Will Porter there. I'm just like, Hey, the nine's doing well. And then it was like, Oh no, that wasn't dating. I was Will Porter. Like, Holy shit. Good for him. Like that's, he's a guy who's, who we've, we've liked for a while. And, um, obviously loved the move when he, when he, um, went to Quinn's and it seems to be paying off for him. So yeah, very excited about that. He's got a good team. He's got a good tend to play with him. He's got a good, good, you know,
01:05:35
Speaker
Guy to be an understudy too. So we have to have this many positives from a 47 19 loss at the same time to lose fucking good. You have to understand who it is. Yeah. It's true. Let's go to Paris. Stad and Lester and the change team for Lester gets it done. And that is to say, you know, credit to every one of them. It is. Especially with Nika Mushkili running that. I thought he was
01:06:06
Speaker
Yeah, they were talking about my eyebrows raised every time. I was like, you're not convinced. I see it maybe in the future, but he's not- Not today. Not yet, no. He makes too many mistakes and is not consistent across the board in a lot of things. But as you said,
01:06:33
Speaker
The that changed. And that's not a bad change team. I mean, Jamie Shilcock is not not the he's not the best prim ten, but he's certainly not the worst. No. Even among starters, like there are several starters in the comp that I think I would rather have in than fucking common. Yeah. Certainly thinking, Conan, Gloucester could use Shilcock to. Yeah. Kata has been ridiculous. He's I don't see it. I don't think that's right now. Yeah.
01:07:03
Speaker
Good to see Watson back. See how long it takes him to get hurt. Knock on wood he doesn't, but unfortunately, you just get a history that it's going to happen, probably, unfortunately. And hey, Harry Wells, nice to see you. It's been like years. Nice to see you, man. How you been? He came up huge a few more than a few times.
01:07:24
Speaker
And he only played 16 minutes, but he played a big 16 minutes. He played more than 16 minutes of this game than I think I saw him play all of last year.
01:07:35
Speaker
which that's probably a better 16. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and they effectively, I thought they pretty effectively shut down Marchant. Like I, every time, every time like they mentioned that that's Marchant at 13, I was like, Oh, that's right. That's March. Cause he's not looking Marchant-ish. They were talking about it as well. Um,
01:07:57
Speaker
this team doesn't attack well stud. So it's not surprising that they were able to give 20, get 24 points only because this is, this is a change team for the most part in Lester. So that's probably why they were able to get that many, but really they're, they make their bones on defense, but that's not something you can necessarily not in a competition like this. So, yeah, it's not people are starving for every point, you know,
01:08:24
Speaker
So yeah, yeah. Total credit to the Lester team and RG veins getting that trick. You have to tell the kid that you don't get to do that all the time, but you know, different day. Sorry for a different day. Yeah. Um, you got can wait when he's older. Yeah. Um, you know, the only gets it gets, uh, a running champions cup, which he got one last year too, but still another young quality player coming through the tiger of the Academy. So.
Leicester's Resilience and Coaching Stability
01:08:51
Speaker
shocker of the day, but they have very good, just the same. So yeah, lots of credit to the guys in, you know, in black from Lester. That was just really, really quality game for them to just gut it out. And it says a lot about the character of the, of the fellows. And like I said, I liked Dan McKellar. I hope he works out because I think he is a very, very good coach. And yeah, the one thing I
01:09:15
Speaker
I will say, I will say this about like coaching in general and hopefully Lester don't get bit by this is you can see the coaches that have been around the block a few times that have had bad years, but you just, you ride it. And that's the one thing, you know, there's always change in these teams. Like, and I know that's the first person you go to, because it's the easiest person to replace. You can't replace the whole playing staff. I get it. But like,
01:09:43
Speaker
you know, ask him to make a change. Like, you know, is there anybody on the staff that you could maybe, you know, swap out or give new roles to or something, you know, find different roles within first, then see who needs to be replaced in the staff. And then if by all, all else fails, and I'm talking like years into making all else fails. Get rid of them. Like, look at Newcastle. How bad are they? It's not good. It's not good. How many coaches have they had in the last three years?
01:10:16
Speaker
Like they've had, they've had like four coaches in the last, I was going to say it's not, it's the last five seasons or something like that. Whatever it was, it was something stupid. It was something stupid. So, you know, they got another one and yeah, it just, they keep going through coaches. Right. It's like, it's not the, it's certainly not the coaches. It's the, you put, you try to put a good 15 out there with, with the shit that you've signed. Like, right. So that's,
01:10:39
Speaker
Especially in a situation like that the stability is what you need the most. Yeah, you know, so Yeah, you know in Lester We're kind of not really giving a whole lot of choice on what happened like, you know Bortho left and then he took wiggles after the interim season was done. So But what you don't want to do is go changing and changing and changing and changing because that's just gonna end badly Yeah, you know and you know the the Saints got rid of major and but and now but they've rode dowsing the whole time and
01:11:09
Speaker
Now look where what he's got. He's got them a Contender without a doubt for two trophies potentially. Yep So I'll because you just yeah, it's not that's not the head coach. Sometimes you just need to like get something right and obviously the defense was bad Yeah, they figured that out as a head coach you can only help set the agenda for the
01:11:31
Speaker
the position coaches in a way, you can be like, this is what we want to, this is what we want to do. There's the game plan. Here's how we were to run it. But if they can't coach it and they can't get the players to do it. That's where the problem is. And that's that was the problem with Saints defense. Yeah, it was exactly it. It was that the players like they didn't have bad players they could tackle. None of them were like, it wasn't that they were missing tackles. They just were out of they weren't communicating. They were not connected.
01:11:56
Speaker
That's all, that's, you know, that's what the, you know, getting them connected and all on the same page is what the job of that coach is. Yeah. Over the last two to three seasons, like what kind of continuity have they had on the field? A lot, actually. A lot. You know, one through 15 has been largely the same with probably three changes, maybe four. And you know, they can communicate well. You know that they have, they can sync with each other because they've always been great in attack.
01:12:24
Speaker
Yeah, so it's like they're they can do this, but they're not doing this on on this thing. So, OK, yeah, that's got to change. Yep. So got to work on that. But at the same time, yeah, the head coaching, it doesn't matter. At that point, it doesn't matter.
Coaching Strategies and Sustainable Success
01:12:38
Speaker
It doesn't matter who the fuck. Like for, yeah, for Newcastle, it doesn't matter who the coach is right now. So why are you changing the coach? Like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. But let's say, you know, this guy got an award in France for his coaching. So like,
01:12:53
Speaker
let him, let him do his thing. And it does take time. And will you see fruits of it right off the bat sometimes, but I personally feel like the one thing that happens a lot that people that actually can be bad, like not that it's bad, but like it's a sign of a short term deal where a coach has immediate success. Like it's off the charts and
01:13:21
Speaker
You get here and it's coming down like the cliff is going to come. And on the other side of it, if you want something long lasting, yes, it's going to be incremental. It's going to be hard. It's going to be one of those things where it's like, man, this kind of sucks. But if you get buy-in from the players, you get buy-in from the people above you,
01:13:41
Speaker
then you're gonna be okay, yep. All right, one season, dogshit. Next season, still kind of dogshit, but things are getting better.
01:13:49
Speaker
Next season, all right, we're getting better. And then the next season, you're like, damn, this team's good. And that's how it is. And then it's sustainable. Good coaches. You can get a coach. That's the same thing also. If you're relying just on the players where you're like, we're just going to bring in a bunch of talent, it doesn't matter who your coach is at all. So if you have a great team or a shit team, it doesn't matter who your coach is. It's just if you had a decent team, you've got committed players.
01:14:14
Speaker
They will only win if they have a good coach because they're that's who's getting them to how telling teaching them how to work together and what the goal is and what the vision is and how to, you know, how to work the game. And. Yeah, that doesn't matter in Newcastle right now at all. No, because these players find out. No. But yeah, the good coaches can make it sustainable. Yep. Agreed.
01:14:44
Speaker
Alright, we got there. Look at that. Look at that. How about us? Cool. Alright, so we are gonna head over to the fancy corner. If you're popping over there to hang out with us, we'll see you over there. If not, we do appreciate you all for listening to us. Enjoy the holiday if you're celebrating Christmas this coming weekend. And then we will talk to you all real soon. Thanks, everyone. Have a good one. Later. Cheers.
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