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The Business of Voiceover: Mindset Matters
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In this episode of the VO Bar podcast, we discuss the importance of mindset in the voiceover industry, highlighting the need to create your own content or do other activities to stay busy. We touch on the mental challenges of auditioning and dealing with rejection, and the importance of treating voiceover work as a business. Other topics include dealing with feedback, awards, marketing and networking, rates, imposter syndrome, and the impact of negative feedback on mindset and self-perception.
Chapters
(00:00:00) Mindset and Imposter Syndrome
(00:01:19) Creating Your Own Content
(00:04:03) Specs and Ethnicity
(00:09:09) Mindset and Business Approach
(00:12:50) Handling Rejection and Self-Care
(00:17:45) The Significance of Awards
(00:22:14) Coaching and Training
(00:27:01) The Radio Industry
(00:29:59) The Grandma Role
(00:30:51) Ageism in Voiceover
(00:31:58) Overcoming Ageism
(00:33:05) The Impact of Appearance
(00:34:04) Character Representation
(00:34:57) Mindset in Voiceover and Life
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Mindset and Imposter Syndrome in Voiceover
00:00:00
Speaker
You're just giving them what you think and that's where it all goes wrong.
00:00:15
Speaker
Today, we're talking about mindset. Mindset. Mindset. I mean, this is a difficult industry, right? Yes. And every single, gosh, day, minute, hour, I think personally for me, I know I go through imposter syndrome. That's a lot of fun. Sure. And how do you get out of it?
00:00:38
Speaker
Yeah, I can wallow all day like I should have really, but obviously I suck. And again, I think that's just the nature of the industry, right? Yeah, sure. How do you, I mean, I've got one way to fix it. Do a podcast or book a job.
00:01:03
Speaker
No, well, I mean, in terms of creating your own content, right? So that's something that with on camera actors, that's encouraged. Create your own stuff instead of waiting for the phone to ring, have your agent book you on something. So in a way, this is kind of a way to keep yourselves busy doing the stuff you love.
Handling Rejection and Auditioning Challenges
00:01:25
Speaker
And I think the mindset plays into finding other things outside of voiceover.
00:01:32
Speaker
to keep yourself busy so that you're not like, am I gonna book it? What am I gonna book it? What's the last booking that I had? And then you start looking at your booking ratio and then you're like, you can get really caught up in that very quickly. You can sit in that little room and just beat yourself up. Indeed. I can do that without sitting in this room. Yeah. I can't count the number of times I was just in tears.
00:02:02
Speaker
I mean, yes, I could. But it sounds better to say accurately. Yes, it's definitely more emotional. It's acting. It's acting. But you are correct. It's so much work and it's so strenuous mentally to sit in there. You don't know whether you're doing it right. Because this is a business where you give a product
00:02:29
Speaker
that you think the client is looking for and nine times out of 10, you never get a response unless you book the gig. That's hard, especially for a new person. Yeah, yeah, for sure. They say rejection is most of the big part of the thing, but it's not even rejection because you don't hear anything, right? Yes. In some cases, I'd almost rather hear like, yeah, we went a different way.
00:02:58
Speaker
Then, you know, something like, I felt like I did such a good job and I really, really wanted it. And then nothing. And then you see the finished product. Right. And it's totally different. Yeah. What were they thinking? But then I feel better because most of the time I'm like, oh, they went with a male voice. OK. All right. All right. Because there's nothing I can do there.
00:03:21
Speaker
Yeah, that doesn't help me. Or you could tell they went with a different gender and you're like, okay, I hear they went a different way. That kind of helps. But I think obsessing about it, you really just have to audition and let it go. Even so, I know there's times where I'm like, I know I nailed it.
00:03:42
Speaker
Um, it's funny though, cause it seems like it's almost always the ones where you're like, yeah, whatever. Those are the ones that you book and the ones you're like, Oh, I nailed that. Like you never, never hear back. Yeah. And then you hit, like I said, you hear the finished product and you go, that's what they wanted. They could have said that and I wouldn't have auditioned.
00:04:03
Speaker
Well, and that's a topic we should get into sometime down
Casting Specs and Mindset Adjustments
00:04:06
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the road. Maybe when we're talking to a casting person or something, because I know that a lot of times what they look for in casting versus where they end up is 180 from, from itself, right? Like it's not even on the same planet. Yes. Oftentimes.
00:04:24
Speaker
And mindset, don't bog down on the specs. Don't crush yourself on the specs, because a lot of times the specs don't mean anything. True. Yeah, I mean, look at them to make sure that, you know, you're sort of at least in the realm of reality. You're in. Make sure it's male. Or female. Come on, guys. Well, okay. Should I read for a female role? I don't think so.
00:04:49
Speaker
Well, I mean, I know there's a lot of there's a lot of weirdness. Well, and you know, and oftentimes they're looking for an Asian voice or.
00:05:00
Speaker
you know, a black voice or whatever it is. And I don't match those specs. So I probably am not going to audition for those roles unless it says open. And this is maybe what we're thinking or whatever. But if it doesn't say and they just list, say, here's our celebrity references and
00:05:23
Speaker
you know. I love those. Whatever. They're not looking for you to sound like that. They're looking for that attitude. Oscar the Grouch. Wait, what? And this was something... Wow, we're going a whole different direction than mindset. But this was something that... I've had conversations with people about this, with coaches and casting about this specifically.
00:05:43
Speaker
If it doesn't specify ethnicity, and, you know, it gives like four different celebrity references and three of them are black guys and one is like, I don't know, McConaughey or something. They're not looking for
00:06:00
Speaker
a black voice necessarily. They're not looking for someone to sound like person A, B, C, or D. They're looking for the attitude that they think those references represent, right? So they're not looking for sound alike. They're not looking for that ethnicity. They're looking for that feel, right? So McConaughey, for example, is, you know, pretty laid back.
00:06:24
Speaker
pretty laid-back down earth. All right, all right, all right. They're not looking for that little Texas draw, right? They don't want that, right.
Business Approach and Entrepreneurial Mindset
00:06:33
Speaker
But see, going back to mindset and when you see stuff like that, because that can really mess with your mind. You're like, oh, well, they don't want me. They're not looking for me. Exactly. And that was something that
00:06:47
Speaker
that I've heard is that a lot of times they'll send these things out and not get back as many as they expected. And it turns out it's because people were just assuming like, oh, well, you listed all the references you listed were black guys and I'm not a black guy, so you didn't want me. They actually read the specs. Yeah, they read the specs, but they just assumed and it shouldn't say that.
00:07:08
Speaker
Right. Correct. But I think oftentimes that's what we're trying to do. We're trying to give them what we think they want, which is just bringing ourselves to it. Right. And ideally, I mean, obviously, it's not this way on pay-to-plays where oftentimes you get access to everything. It's not this way with all agents. But ideally, your representation or wherever you're getting stuff from is kind of giving you stuff they think you'll book anyway.
00:07:38
Speaker
That's because you're with a particular agency that cares. My representation does. Your representation cares. I have some representation that... I prefaced it by saying they all don't do that. They don't. They really don't. But ideally they would. Right.
00:07:58
Speaker
And that's another podcast. That is another podcast. And that's another podcast. And back to mindsets. I think the mindset never changes, whether you're a newbie just getting beat up in the business, trying to decide whether you over invested all the way to a pro who now at this point in the business,
00:08:27
Speaker
Uh, and you don't want to go down the AI pod, you know, rabbit hole. I was going to say pothole, but, um, pod hole, pothole, that could be another podcast. Yeah. I mean, it affects both ends and both ends have to be ready for anything that's thrown at them or in this case, not, you have to be strong. Yeah.
00:08:53
Speaker
Yep. And you've got to have the entrepreneurial spirit to go after it and go get it. Right. Because it's not going to come to you.
00:09:02
Speaker
Even if you've got representation, yes, they'll deliver things to your inbox and you have to audition for them and so forth. There he goes bragging again. Pay-to-plays bring them to you and you gotta audition for them. I'm not bragging. Good Lord. You know, but even then, you're not very likely to make enough money just from things that you find on Pay-to-Player from an agent or two. Oh my gosh.
00:09:30
Speaker
to do it full time. Ideally, you need to do direct marketing. You need to go after direct clients, repeat business. Repeat business is where it's all about.
00:09:45
Speaker
Sure. So, I mean, being it's an actual business, it's not just a guy with a microphone or a girl with a microphone or woman with a microphone. Sure. Whatever you got it. You have to treat it like a business. And that's the mindset you have to have. Yes. Unless you want it to be a hobby, in which case, you know, that's fine, but expect that it's going to be a very, very, very disappointing hobby that sucks a lot of money out of your bank account, because that's how hobbies like this go.
Stress Management Techniques
00:10:16
Speaker
You're going to you're going to be rejected a lot. You're going to waste a lot of money on coaching and classes and things that aren't necessarily doing you good because you didn't vet your coach or you're not getting the right kind of coaching for the things you want to do. Or you're going after the wrong kinds of jobs like you're, you're best suited to do anime dubbing and you're going after commercials or you're trying to do right learning and you're really a medical narration person or you
00:10:45
Speaker
Or your mom told you you had a great voice. And I've been doing it since I was a child. Somebody told me my voice was wonderful and I should do voiceover. And I do a great Scooby. Oh, yeah. My impressions are off the chain, brah. Who cares? Who cares? Yeah. And you will hear that at least at least that's a response you'll get. Who cares?
00:11:13
Speaker
That's true. That's great. And? And honestly, so having worked in the New York market when you have feedback. That's like a major market, right? That's kind of a major market. Yeah. But it's also a market where people are very like I've been in a session where they don't give you anything other than, yeah, that was flat. Let's do it again.
00:11:37
Speaker
that'll mess with your head. Like, okay. But that's what you get. It's you are a pro, you need to know how to change it up kind of on a dime. But if you go back, like that's happened years ago and it's still in my head. Like that was flat. Do it again, but better. And you're like, okay. And what does flat mean?
00:12:03
Speaker
What does better mean? Clearly it wasn't what they wanted, but then the next time I went through it was fine, but it was just the idea. Or the times where...
00:12:14
Speaker
You booked that lovely demo, where it's done for the advertiser to go and for them to pitch work, and you do the demo, and then they decided, you know what, we're going to put that to air, but we're hiring new voice actors to do it.
00:12:36
Speaker
Crap, that messes with your head. So yeah, there's a lot of stuff in this industry. You really have to have a thick skin. You really do. Because if you don't, it's, yeah. I personally, I don't know about you guys, but I personally, I'm gonna guess that you guys do not. But I do meditate daily just to kind of calm and clear any sort of negative energy because there's,
00:13:05
Speaker
way too much of it in voiceover with all the rejection and all the waiting and maybes and going different directions. And yeah, so that's what I do. What do you guys do? I was going to say I medicate daily, but that's not true. It's just the funny response. It's a good one. He took my answer. Sorry. No, what do you do? I punch things. Punch and roll?
00:13:35
Speaker
Yeah, I think this is an for anyone who's had a regular job and I still keep a regular job. It's just an ongoing endless job interview this business.
Community Support and Industry Challenges
00:13:47
Speaker
Yeah, it keeps you on your toes. I mean, they're not asking you the give me a time when you solve the problem and how that helped and how did you feel? You don't get that. And that's a bullshit question.
00:14:01
Speaker
But it's an ongoing where, yeah, you're just giving ideas and you're giving them what you think and that's where it all goes wrong. Well, if we're going to get a little existential here, you are kind of answering that question though, right? Because you're embodying
00:14:25
Speaker
how it felt when you were in that situation and did that thing or whatever, when you read a script that's relevant to that. Right. True. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Okay. So that was fun. Where do we go from there? Yeah. But what do you do? Well, I thought I had something going. I don't know. I just, I, I, I don't know. I don't do the right things at all.
00:14:54
Speaker
I don't do character voices at all. So here we go. I don't take things personally often. I won't say never because we all know that's not true. I don't take the rejection personally. Often.
00:15:16
Speaker
most of the time. No, I don't know. I just kind of go with the flow. Every once in a while I'll, you know, punch something, I suppose. Yeah, it really worked. Occasionally I feel stabby and like I need to break something. But in general, I don't know. I've
00:15:40
Speaker
Just kind of go with the flow. Do the thing. Do you have a cocktail today, Will? I don't. What? I have a big glass of water. No, that's gin. Didn't we agree? There's gin and Al has vodka. Must be vodka. Or maybe it's the other way around. Must be vodka. Doesn't smell like it. Tequila. I'm still on a coffee kick, so there's that. Okay. Is it Irish? It could be. Why not? That's fair. That's fair. But I think...
00:16:10
Speaker
It does help to have others in this business. I know that for a lot of the on-camera stuff I do too, I have a couple of producer slash actor slash writer content creator friends. And that's what we do, right? We just kind of talk about, well, that was crappy. This happened, that happened. And I mean, not for nothing will, but that's what we do a lot.
00:16:39
Speaker
It's true. We do. We commiserate a lot. How can you not? People always talk about, oh, you need an accountability group and you need people who are a positive influence. No, I don't. I need somebody that I can bitch about stuff with. Yeah, you need someone who's going to tell you the truth. And then once I've done that, then I feel better. I do too.
00:17:01
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's not an ongoing, let's just cry to each other for hours on end. No, you're right. You want someone. It's an ongoing always. It's a no. Yes. No. No. Yes. Depends on the time. It's a mindset. Yes. Mindset. Sorry. That's what we're talking about. Mindset. Yes. Right. Don't let it beach up, guys. Don't let it beach up.
Marketing through Awards and Coaching Pitfalls
00:17:27
Speaker
Positive mindset.
00:17:29
Speaker
I'm positive that this is a hard business. That's what I'm positive about. And you can't let it get you down. It's a good business. Did I tell you I won an award? What? Oh, okay. That's right. You won an award and you were nominated for an award. And I was nominated for an award at a different awards.
00:17:48
Speaker
Look at us. We're all nominees. We're all winners. There's the mindset. Good things do happen. That is a validation, right? That is a validation. Absolutely. And that's, you know, that's another podcast. But the question is, does it really matter if you win an award or not? And practically speaking, no, probably not.
00:18:18
Speaker
Is it going to get you hired? Probably not. Unless in the very unlikely case, it's like you and somebody else and on every level, you are exactly the same level of good. And they go, well, this guy won an award. Maybe we'll go with him. It's probably not going to happen. Right. But maybe. But winning award feels pretty good. But also, it is a great marketing piece.
00:18:46
Speaker
Just to say your award's nominated for them to be like, and I won. That is a great way to open a door. I used it a lot to my advantage when I won a scholarship last year to kind of go out and say, hey, I won this. Like, great.
00:19:03
Speaker
Yeah, especially if you're looking for representation, that's a nice little reason to email somebody and go, hey, guess what? I just won this award. I think it's really cool. And by the way, I love the work that you do. I love who's on your roster. I'd love to be considered to be on your roster. You know, whatever. But it's an excuse to contact somebody.
00:19:25
Speaker
especially if you've already contacted them before. It's an excuse to contact them again, especially if it's maybe a direct lead that you've marketed to, that maybe they're not necessarily cold, but they're not really warm. Like you talked to them maybe months ago and things haven't happened, but it's a good reason to reach out again and go, hey, by the way, you probably haven't heard, I just won this award. Still love to work with you. You got anything going on?
00:19:53
Speaker
Yeah, you're not below me now, but I'd still love to work with you. Right. But my rate has increased. Sorry. By the way, I'm now 10 times more expensive. Absolutely. That's right. So instead of $15 that you're offering,
00:20:13
Speaker
Now it's gonna be zero. 16. And 57 cents. That's another podcast. 16.57. Yes. Your rates. Oh my gosh. Total another podcast. So many podcasts. What? So many tracks. So many topics. Who's making notes? Who's taking notes? We're recording this, right? Notes. What? Did you get the record button? Yeah, is this being recorded? Please stand by. Can I listen to this later?
00:20:41
Speaker
I don't think I'm gonna be there when it's live. And now we drink. So imposter syndrome. The coolest quote that I've heard about, I don't know if it's even a quote, but the coolest thing I've heard about imposter syndrome is real imposters don't feel it.
00:21:02
Speaker
Oh, I never heard that. Okay. Now I feel better about myself already. That's very cool. Because they believe their own. Well, because they know that they're faking it, right? Yeah. Somebody who's like a con man knows that he's conning you. So he doesn't like feel like he's an imposter while he's doing it because he knows that he's not real. Gotcha. That makes sense. Right. All right. Well, I just,
00:21:31
Speaker
Yeah. But why do we have it so often? I'm a good person. Why do bad things happen to good people? Why do bad things happen to good people? I don't understand. I think it's because, I think it's because of the, well, it's, it's because A, this is very competitive and probably because you're a good person and
00:21:59
Speaker
you know, because you don't ever hear anything back, sometimes you have to wonder, like, well, are they even listening to me? Like, am I actually, or are they listening and they feel, they hate it so much, like they won't even tell me. Like, am I actually that bad? You know, like it's just all the stupid, the stupid voices in your head that when you don't have information to latch onto, they just start telling you lies.
00:22:25
Speaker
Oh, yeah, you're not getting it because you're not good. Oh, they're not talking to you because you're not good. Oh, you're gonna have to spend more money. You haven't done enough coaching, you haven't gone to enough classes, which you haven't. Yeah, you know, well, that you always need to coach you always need another topic, but other podcasts and make sure that they're serving you properly. Because if you're for the sake of coaching, and you're not getting anywhere with it, only you're just throwing money away.
00:22:55
Speaker
If you're not interested in doing character voices or animation, don't coach with that guy. And don't take a class on anime dubbing. They're wonderful classes, but if it doesn't interest you, why are you spending money on it? Just because it's there doesn't mean you have to do it.
00:23:18
Speaker
I know it's hard to believe. I'm gonna go off topic and ask a question.
Voiceover Seminars and Industry Realities
00:23:21
Speaker
What? You guys, I know. The community college one day. Seminar. Yeah. Yeah. Those things hurt your head and your wallet. They really do. Are you talking about where they vet you in order to join their program?
00:23:42
Speaker
Oh yeah. You get the call at six o'clock the next morning. Specifically voiceover, one big seminar things. Yes. In any case, those things mess. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Those are all demo mills.
00:24:01
Speaker
another podcast topic. Definitely. Definitely. I'm writing that one down. That's a good one. That's a great podcast topic. We are the first to cover it. It's been covered by every other voiceover podcast ever, but not by us.
Radio Industry Insights and Nostalgia
00:24:18
Speaker
It can't be covered too much.
00:24:19
Speaker
It can mess with your mindset because it sets you up for ridiculous failure. Oh my gosh. Right. Because after five coaching sessions, you'll be ready for a demo and you'll be able to go out there and book all the biggest national commercials. Everything is in your favor. Yeah. No. All the time.
00:24:44
Speaker
Yes, all the time. You were in the Midwest at one point. I was born in the Midwest. Did you ever see Menard's commercials, the old ones with the guy with the white hair? I know the Menard's commercials, yes. I can't remember his name. He had a broadcasting school. Did you know that? Did he really? No. No way. To talk like that? Yeah, I assume. So for people who have never seen the old, and even the new voice of Menard sounds like that.
00:25:12
Speaker
Oh, well, you know, why change? Well, you know, go with what works. Yeah. After he died, they replaced him with somebody who could do the voice. But yeah, if you've never seen them, if you're not from the Midwest and you're not familiar with Menards, which is kind of a regional Home Depot. Yeah. Yes.
00:25:30
Speaker
Can I do the voice? It's actually one of the greatest stores ever. Go do the voice, do it, do it. It's fantastic, yeah. But all their commercials was a really way over the top old school radio sound, the same big money at Menards, that kind of thing. Like, oh my God. And each guy had a broadcast school. I did, I did. That's a lot of vomit. My instructors would be so angry with me for that piece. Yes. Yes, but that was a voice matching
00:26:01
Speaker
demonstration. I'm like, that word, that word. I got the words. It's not written down. It was demonstration. I would never do it intentionally on purpose. Correct. That's another podcast. Getting rid of the radio. Bye bye.
00:26:19
Speaker
See, I'm lucky I wasn't in radio long enough for that to be an issue. They said I had a face for radio. What does that mean? Never heard that. What? I wanted to be in radio. I actually loved, I would have given my left arm to be on the radio. Yeah, but it would not have really paid well. No, no, not at all. And I'd be standing there with one arm.
00:26:49
Speaker
It's not worth it. Mindset. Mindset, yes. Here's my mindset. I still want to be in radio, even though it doesn't pay well. Because radio is, well, maybe not anymore. Radio is supposed to be fun. Radio used to be fun. And I think, here's my big theory. Go ahead, Johnny Fever.
00:27:13
Speaker
WKRP in Cincinnati. God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. I think that you could you could start a radio station in most any city of virtually any size and run it the way that they were run in the 80s and 90s and like go to war with one of the big conglomerate owned stations.
00:27:44
Speaker
until they buy you and give you a fat check. Well, that'd be okay too, but I think you could win because radio isn't local enough anymore and it's supposed to be. I mean, it's like by mandate by the FCC, it's supposed to be local. Have you listened to it recently though? Yeah. Some? A little bit.
00:28:05
Speaker
The station I listen to most is playing all Christmas music right now. And I only really listen when I'm in the car, which isn't much because I work from home. There you go. I listen to SiriusXM, so there's certain stations I'll go to. And I tend to really like it when it's the 80s on 8 VJs. I thought you were going to say NPR.
00:28:28
Speaker
I pictured you in NPR. Wow. Thanks. Appreciate that. Damn. Talk about mindset.
Ageism and Opportunities in Voiceover
00:28:36
Speaker
Thanks. That's like going in for head shots and being told you look like a grandma. Did you really go there? Did you really go there?
00:28:44
Speaker
Yeah, I'm saying that's what he said is as bad as that. I'm not saying it. Because you know, let's go there, okay? Let's go there because this is mindset. Okay, ma'am. Because this, yeah, being called ma'am too, that's a great one.
00:28:59
Speaker
But yeah, going in for headshots in LA with a really young photographer and that's what he comes out with. So what are you getting submitted for? What are you getting calls for? And I'm like, you know, caregiver, nurse, that's always been like, I get called in for that. Recently, it's a lot of detectives. I'm like, okay, detective work. Yeah, that is fun. And then out of nowhere, he's like, so what about like, you know,
00:29:29
Speaker
young grandma. Talk about mindset. That's still messing with me. This was over a week ago. I will keep that probably for at least the next decade and a half, when I could possibly be that. And I was like, I don't do the G word. No, no, I can be the mom of teenagers. I can be the mom of college grads.
00:29:59
Speaker
I'll be damned if I'm going to beat Grandma. And by the way, I'm not going to ever hear that. Mm-mm. My mom, my mom's so much nicer. Just sounds like mom times two. I mean, I grew up watching like reruns of Bewitched and I really liked Endora and Grandmama like that. That's fine. But Grandma, I was called, if I was getting called in for Grandma roles. I am technically, no.
00:30:28
Speaker
Is that when you would decide I guess I'm done doing on camera? I mean, you know, I go straight to the big bucks of voiceover. I have the blue hair because I decided I'm going to be a blue haired lady on my own accord. I'm going to do it my way. But I think it does play into the mindset very much so going to see how we're going full circle. Because I think often we're told
00:30:58
Speaker
you have to be a certain age, or if you're past this age, there's nothing else for you. Move along. And where was this? I heard it recently. Oh.
00:31:11
Speaker
we were on a webinar where we heard from someone who's been in the business for a really long time, he wasn't booking anything anymore because he was 70 plus. He had just turned 70. But that particular person was very specific in his delivery anyway. It had a very
00:31:33
Speaker
It didn't, right? So I think, you know, that can play with you too. If I ever looked at that, I do kind of look at the on-camera world in terms of like, well, there are limited roles for me, especially in California because everybody's young and beautiful there. That's where the beautiful people live. It is. But, you know, sometimes they need an old hag and hey, I'm there for it. Bring it. I'm ready to go. Let's do it. And I think in a way it can work in someone's favor.
00:32:03
Speaker
because honestly, I didn't start voiceover later.
00:32:09
Speaker
after doing all the radio stuff because I have this gravelly stuff in my voice now. Didn't used to have that. And I thought, well, I'm not gonna do anything in voiceover. Nobody wants this. It's pretty much the most booked voice that I get. And that's strange for me because I thought that was the end. It didn't sound smooth anymore. It didn't have that youthful feel to it. That's what she said.
00:32:36
Speaker
But anywho, I do think ageism is a thing, but you can't let that get into you. Because as you go through these different periods of life, you will find there's still room for you, no matter what your age. Oh, sure. You just got to find it. And I think it starts to thin out. Yeah. It's trying to book all the time. All the time. There's that. All the time.
00:33:05
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Well, and I think even, you know, even more so in voiceover, right? Because they don't see you. Right. They're hearing your voice. Right. And, you know, you... Is that why we take our pictures off of our website?
Final Thoughts on Mindset and Enjoyment
00:33:21
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I mean, that is definitely why some people recommend that you don't have a picture on your website so that you're not giving them an excuse up front to say, no, they're too old or they're too young in some cases or whatever. Or in some cases they'll be like, you know, I pictured somebody who is a redhead for this role.
00:33:39
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I was really picturing somebody from Southeast Asia for this purple alien. That's the mindset. You have to be prepared to know that when they write a script,
00:33:58
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they've already in their brain as they're writing the words, they've already got a character in mind. Now, they don't know who this character is, but they've already got something pictured. That's why the specs never seem to exactly match what it comes out as. But you have to be prepared for that rejection and that misrepresentation of the word. But you just have to be open minded with it.
00:34:28
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And hopefully you don't sound like what they're imagining versus not looking like what they're imagining, which is never an issue for me because I have no picture in my head. That's another podcast. That is another podcast. Mindset is everything in voiceover and in life. Be prepared. Have fun. Don't
00:34:53
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hate life. Wow. Very, very prolific. And you're welcome. Thank you for that. You're welcome. I wanted to say something else, but it's like, I don't want to say it because I know there's somebody else says that. So I'm not going to say it. Okay. And with that, we'll see you next week.