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Episode 165: Transfers are CRAZY! 100 million for Tyler Dibling isn't....
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Southampton – We try to put the context behind 100 million for Tyler Dibling and then talk about the transfer market in general..
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00:00:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello and welcome back to the Daily Southampton, part of the Global Sports Podcast Network. My name is Greg Elliott and as always joined by my good friend and wonderful co-host, Zach Ingo Finch.
00:00:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
mate?
00:00:25
Zak
Yeah, that would be bad. Of course, some sort of lurg, which I'm not a fan of, but sorry.
00:00:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
Just the starting to get ready for prepping for Saints, playing again next week, right? Like,
00:00:38
Zak
Just feel physically ill now and then feel better by that point.
00:00:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
Start the field rubbish coming early.
00:00:43
Zak
That's me and my wonderful wife have been starting to go into the gym a little bit more. And there's an inevitable consequence of like, you know, I think you mentioned it when was talking to you earlier. It's basically just like freshers through, you start going outside to a place a bit more.
00:00:58
Zak
So it'll be what it'll be. But it just means that it's a bit a wreck of today, but it'll be fine.
00:01:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes, well, we are still in the midst or at the tail end of this international break coming back to club football. And speaking of feeling sick, Zach, several people have made comment on what we mentioned yesterday of our rumoured valuation of Tyler Diblin at £100 million. pounds So we thought today we'd have a little chat about transfer money.
00:01:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
and Yeah. 100 million?
00:01:33
Zak
This is the thing, right? weve We kind of discussed yesterday. You're right, it is mad. And for an unproven 18-year-old, it's a lot. But, like, we can charge what we want.
00:01:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:01:43
Zak
Like, i could I could have an apple in my house for... you know, just just put out on the street and say, can buy it for me, it's 20 quid. And people was like, that's insane. You're right. it said It's an insane price. If you pay the 20 pound, you get the Apple.
00:01:56
Zak
you You don't get the Apple. That's the entire point. Like it's it's a deterrent, right? Clearly they want to keep him.
00:02:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:02:02
Zak
They are under no obligation to sell him. He has a contract extension clause, whether he likes it or not. if If somebody decides that they're going to bid ridiculous money for it,
00:02:13
Zak
you know, saying it's just it's just wheeling and dealing. It's all tricks of the trade, right? It's not... I don't think it's like a a stamped on thing. But also, I would be surprised if some clubs pay it.
00:02:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:02:24
Zak
Like, you've seen the money that's moved around places like Saudi Arabia.
00:02:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:02:27
Zak
Like, 100 100 million it isn't what it used to be, is it? You know?
00:02:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, maybe. And yeah, we're going to talk about that a bit later in the episode for sure. But you're right. It's like a a line in the sand. It's like we don't need to sell him. And if you want him, you're going pay this money because that's what we want for him.
00:02:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
what It's what worth to us. And therefore, if he's worth that to you, you'll pay it. So... It's interesting, and obviously it comes with like English tax as well, right? Because he's a home-grown, home-developed player, and you know there's a something to be said for for English players getting more hype anyway in England, just because of that.
00:03:04
Zak
you hit You hit the nail on the head, mate, which is that it's it's that's what he is currently worth to the club. If people think the valuation is insane, don't pay it then, that's fine. We're not going to be upset either way. If he stays, I'll be over the moon.
00:03:20
Zak
If he goes, I'm not going to be devastated if we make a good profit out of it. If we put his valuation at 15 million and then somebody comes in with a bid for eight and then we sell him for eight, I think a lot of people going to be annoyed and upset about that, you know?
00:03:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah.
00:03:34
Zak
So it just makes a lot of sense to me that, you know, we would put a high valuation on something that we see as a high value player.
00:03:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:03:42
Zak
So, yeah, I'm not really surprised. And I think that, but I understand that if you are looking at it as, without putting too much thought into it, it is a really, really high number.
00:03:55
Zak
Because in comparison to what some of the other players have done this season, like, you know, out and about and around the sort of, not just even our club, elsewhere.
00:04:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
It was, what, a couple of years ago we saw Declan Rice cost £100 million.
00:04:04
Zak
yeah
00:04:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
pounds So are we saying that I'm sure that Tyler Dibblin has the potential to be as good as Declan Rice. Do you think in his current state he's the same £100 million pound that Arsenal paid for Declan Rice?
00:04:19
Zak
a
00:04:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
No. No.
00:04:20
Zak
anything, especially, it's like it's like anything, right? like He's young, we don't know where his career is going to go. and could have a career-ending injury. there's There's so many factors you need to involve, right?
00:04:31
Zak
And, you know, he's been a bright spark for us this season. It's been something to look forward to. It's great to watch. It's nice to watch an academy player break into the first team. But it's the same thing where, like, the directly after the Liverpool game, after Paul Ademachi did a few step-overs,
00:04:48
Zak
people all a sudden found out who he was and you probably could have slapped the 30 million price tag on him there. And then if you'd sold him the next day, Some people would probably say it's good business while the rest of us are going, it's kind of crazy. it's It's just, I think this is just the way that valuations go. It's all, it's all a game. It's all to put out into the room and mill. If it's, you know, somebody somewhere has wanted us to think that that is how much that he is worth and to have that conversation and debate, you know, if it's to generate more talk about it, that puts the price up you know,
00:05:20
Zak
if it's the agents trying to disrupt stuff, like, you don't really know. know just Whenever anything like this appears in in the media, just asks who wants it there, right? like who Like, no one's coming up with a random story off the top of their head. Like, i could just make up stuff off the cuff.
00:05:34
Zak
Yukonari Sigoura is a really good player, 50 million. right And then if I publish that in some sort of piece of journalism, people go wild. But it's just a number plucked out the sky. And that might be as that might be what it is. It could be a number plucked out the sky, and it could be there to you know drive up a price. It could be there to start a conversation.
00:05:54
Zak
could be there for a number of reasons. But I think the problem is is that the reason it's getting confusing is that like you know if if you're had if you had a billion-pound release clause, right,
00:06:05
Zak
be a different conversation completely. no one would ever expect them to sort of hit that. But the thing is, is that people have paid very recently, as you've pointed out with Declan Rice, a hundred billion pounds for p players.
00:06:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:06:18
Zak
So people start to think it's like an actual realistic thing that's going happen. And then they're like, will you actually expect a hundred billion? It's like, no, but there's probably someone out there that won't pay that for an 18 year old, because that is where we live.
00:06:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:06:34
Zak
In football. Right, I've talked a lot, mate.
00:06:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, I want, I want, no, I've got, several points I want to touch on feeding directly off that, but, um, but,
00:06:36
Zak
So...
00:06:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
But this seems like, before I get into that, a very good logical place to break for a second and hear from our sponsors at Bionic.
00:07:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, and we are back. So yeah, I want to build on that and about b the market at the moment and the state of play. I want to put that in the context because we're under heavy fire and heavy criticism this season, right?
00:07:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
And rightly so for the position we're in because we've done horrendously. But we're in the same position as the other two promoted clubs realistically in that we're probably all going back down.
00:07:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
And there's lots of talk about this gap And it's really demonstrable, right? Because we're talking about how many players people have signed for £100 million pound here, £100 million. pounds I put into context Declan Rice.
00:08:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Another example that cost £100 million was Anthony that Oscar brought up yesterday. and now is Tyler Diblin as good as Anthony? Yeah, easily, I'd say. Comfortably, probably better.
00:08:20
Zak
I think it was like 70 something, but I agree that it was
00:08:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
But then... if you put that into the context that our club record signing of all time was made this season for for 24 million for Aaron Ramsdale, we're never going to be in a position to spend a hundred million pound on a player ever.
00:08:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
So that that's why that gap exists.
00:08:41
Zak
just.
00:08:43
Zak
So does it get worse and worse and worse? Yeah.
00:08:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
And that gap is only going to ever grow, right? Like we're never going
00:08:48
Zak
And then then the whole, the the idea of the idea that you then can't make it fair. I understand that financial and fair play are supposed to be what does that. But also it's like you've seen, it means nothing to most people.
00:09:00
Zak
I don't understand how Chelsea have made
00:09:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank
00:09:03
Zak
How have they made back the money they've spent? Because they have bought every single player at one point, I swear. and it just seems bizarre. It is difficult for us to compete. Yeah, you could say that we need to be smarter with our transfers. and And you can say that Manchester United are paying dividends now with the consequences of their actions, right?
00:09:24
Zak
But the problem is, is that now that you have 100 million and 75 million, there's like established prices for players. That'll only ever go up. That's just how currency works.
00:09:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:09:37
Zak
We are not probably to massively increase the amount that we're willing to spend, which means that every time that we get in a new player, it almost seems like it has to be a calculated risk. And we we we calculated real bad this season.
00:09:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Exactly. And like, you look at teams like Manchester City who are having a by their terms, a struggling season, right?
00:09:58
Zak
Terrible season.
00:10:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
And even so, they're probably still going to qualify for the Champions League.
00:10:03
Zak
Is this
00:10:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
But in in January, it was identified they were not having a good season. They were able to go out and buy for £75 million Mamouche, who instantly has hit there you know the ground running and scored goals, and Gonzalez in midfield for £60 million.
00:10:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
i That combined spend is more than... we are going to spend in a total window, right?
00:10:29
Zak
Yeah, agreed.
00:10:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Just on those two players.
00:10:31
Zak
Agreed. It's just, it's impossible. And this is the problem is people are like, oh, actually you can compete if you if you have a plan and you do this and this. I look at Bournemouth, look at Brighton. I'm like, yeah, look at them in five, to six seasons time.
00:10:42
Zak
look what happens to Look what happens to Leicester. Leicester won the Premier League. Like, yeah, okay, it's coming up in like a decade. but But still, like that team was picked up apart instantaneously. And then you you know we get... I remember someone mucking us off, like, oh, Virgil van Dijk was have stolen from him you, but you got £75 million. It was so how were you reinvested. I'm like, yeah, we wouldn't be able to turn around buy a player for £75 million and be able to identify... you know So we have to kind of consistently hedge our but bets. And I think that it's for the lower lead for the lower sort of tier of clubs, it's much more of a betting game.
00:11:17
Zak
than for the higher tier ones, because if there is a problem, they're able to identify and fix that straight away. We have identified problems. What have we managed to do? We brought in a guy from France on loan who surely has been right.
00:11:29
Zak
It's not, it's never going to fix our season.
00:11:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:11:32
Zak
What would we need to do? it's, Yeah, you could say it's all to do with how the clubs are run. So then our club itself, Sports Republic, are trying to run it as a profitable business, which is why they're investing a lot of money into things that people, from a football perspective, don't care about. So where do you where can you ever get to a point where, you know, unless somebody comes in and buys you and has a ton of capital to spare, no offense, Newcastle,
00:12:01
Zak
what are you meant to do?
00:12:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, no exactly. It's staggering and the numbers are ridiculous. and And, you know, am I saying that if we went out in the January transfer window and our only signing was this £75 million pound striker that it would save our season?
00:12:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, but we'd probably score some goals, right? Like...
00:12:22
Zak
Well, then this is also the other thing is that that's difficult in itself because Man City are always going to have to pay over inflated prices. So they're always going to have to put the work in to make sure that they are not risking it on a player. Although arguably you can say with with people like Jack Grealish and stuff, it's not worked out to the best of their ability.
00:12:44
Zak
But like they are going to have better recruitment. you know We already had the problem where we had a plan. That was pilfered because Jason Wilcox was offered more money in a different place, in a more prestigious place. So that's always going to be something that you need to contend with.
00:12:59
Zak
But yes, if we go in for a player at a reasonable price in Portugal for £15 million, but then, for example, you know Liverpool like that player and go for £50 million,
00:13:10
Zak
We're never winning that fight, ever. So then you kind of have to just hope that you get players that are not sort of caught yet. Like, this is why when i'm when I talk about Matias Fernandes, right, like, it's very much sort of like a kind of wanting to remain a hidden gem just for a little bit.
00:13:28
Zak
But then I think people are starting to cotton on because you're starting to get a lot of, you know, conversation... around pundits and that kind of stuff. And it's just, I think that it is extremely difficult to compete.
00:13:40
Zak
And people say, well, you just need to build something up. And the problem is, there's a lot of people that are saying sort of that kind of stuff, especially to us, are like fans of clubs where they don't have to worry about that because mummy and daddy will body will pay out if worse comes to worst. Whereas, you know, if we financially end up ruined, it would just be like another story where we end up in the bottom tier of Football.
00:14:01
Zak
I don't know. As you can tell, I have a lot of opinions on it. I just think that even if we spent a £75 million on a striker, you're right, we probably wouldn't have got anything. Maybe we scored some goals. I also don't think we would have ever been able to, whether we would have ever paid £75 million for a striker.
00:14:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:14:16
Zak
And I also think that if we came in to buy that striker, it wouldn't cost £75 million.
00:14:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
It is...
00:14:20
Zak
Part of that is due to the fact that it's Manchester City. So there's lots of factors at play.
00:14:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:14:25
Zak
Lots of different factors.
00:14:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
is an interesting interesting one. And you're right.
00:14:30
Zak
and
00:14:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't think we would. I don't think we're ever going to put ourselves in a position to play that. That's, that's just the way it is. And that unfortunately means that it is much harder.
00:14:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
And sure, I guess the, the answer is right. The, just because they're paying 75 million pounds for the player doesn't mean it's going to work out either. I mean, you're right. You'd look at not Grealish might be not be a very good example. I think he does. All right. But like Calvin Phillips, think is a,
00:14:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
textbook example of paying over and above a player's worth because he was an important player where he was in the small pond of leads smaller pond of leads and yeah does doesn't fit Pep Guardiola's playing style at all so
00:15:15
Zak
But also the price the price point for those players going to Manchester City at £75 million doesn't matter as if we were to spend £75 million on a player. like It's night and day. like if If a player doesn't work out for City that they paid £60 million for...
00:15:29
Zak
just a drop in the ocean. If we pay for 60 million... Mate, like, Chelsea's perfect example of that. Like, did they pay, like, 30, 40 million for Uga Chikwey? And he some say he's on loan of currently the worst Premier League team of all time.
00:15:41
Zak
Like, you've got Blavia who went there and is, you know, getting better and probably has the potential, but didn't play for the whole first season he was there.
00:15:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
you.
00:15:48
Zak
No one was out crying. It was insane they paid 55 million for a guy that didn't play. Like, that is a normal amount of money that... sort of area of the league, right? So if they pay 75 million, it doesn't work out.
00:16:01
Zak
It doesn't matter. Like, the pressure isn't there. Whereas if we paid 50 million for somebody and it didn't work out, there would probably be a lot of pressure. It's probably one of the reasons we add a lot of pressure on Suleymane, right? Until Ramsdale, he was our all-time highest spend and, like, he wasn't working out the way that we would have expected it to.
00:16:19
Zak
and And that is just going to be the difference in disparity between teams. And that's always going to exist because you're always going to have clubs that are more prestigious and bigger than others. there you know There's always going to be a bigger percentage of people that want to support City than there are Southampton.
00:16:35
Zak
But if all of a sudden we were able to grow our global reputation massively by having a giant owner and get revenue from elsewhere, it becomes a problem. And also, if it had worked out for Manchester United, if Anthony had scored...
00:16:47
Zak
If they hadn't changed manager nine times, if they'd won the Premier League two or three years in a row, we might call the players that we decry as being too expensive bargains because it's entirely based off of results and other things like that.
00:16:58
Zak
One of the reasons it's such a problem is that their new owner has taken over, looked at the finances, doesn't have the money to invest, and is like, well, this is insane, so i'm going to fire the tea lady.
00:16:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:07
Zak
Just like, okay.
00:17:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:17:10
Zak
It's it's it's a very it' so very messy thing. And I don't think that when you link it all into player valuations, it's not as simple as Tyler Diblin's worth 100 million quid, which again is what we started talking about.
00:17:23
Zak
There's so much more to it. And I think that it will always be difficult for teams to... break into it. Sometimes teams get lucky. Sometimes it's not luck. It's based off of other bits and pieces, but it's just, it's frustrating.
00:17:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
It is. Okay, well, I want to pivot the conversation next back to Southampton.
00:17:42
Zak
i
00:17:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
I want to want to talk about provisionally and potentially where we think our squad value is or where the money might you come from, what money we might get in the summer as we inevitably see a sort of tidal change.
00:18:06
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00:18:27
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If you're ready to tell your story, check out the link in the show description and learn more about Zencaster. Okay, so we are back. And yeah, it's pretty likely, Zach, that we're going to see quite a lot of movement in the summer one way or another.
00:18:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Where do you think the value comes from in the squad? Who's actually... Where a lot of the focus, from our perspective, is going to be sort of shifting dead wood in a lot of cases.
00:18:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
Are there any big surprising like money moves that might come that you think might be a surprise?
00:19:05
Zak
what there's There's the basics, right? There's there's Ramsdale. that' is
00:19:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. so So I guess, you know do you think we'll make a profit on Ramsdale? let's Let's start with that as a question.
00:19:16
Zak
I'd like to think so. It depends on where where where he's going to go right? I feel like anywhere he's going to want to go probably has the money to pay us slightly more than we have.
00:19:27
Zak
And depends if he gets...
00:19:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
21 million 21.4 initial fee presumably none of the bonuses are going to be activated off the back of the worst season in Premier League history so
00:19:41
Zak
I reckon you'll get someone to come in for sort of 25, but it depends whether or not we're considered to be sort of like an end of season cash out. So where everyone randomly decides that, you know, oh, well they're going down. So quickly you get all their players that want to leave.
00:19:53
Zak
But like, I think if we get any money for say something, I'd like to keep Manning and James Bree. But if we ever got anyone that came in for them, bear in mind that they basically cost us nothing. I think that might be a little bit of a surprise if one of the clubs coming up decides to take a punt on them.
00:20:09
Zak
It's just, I don't know, my spidey senses. Maybe if Sugawara ends up going to Napoli, I think that'll probably be a profit. We played like 5 million for him.
00:20:19
Zak
That'll probably be, we're going to need to reinvest in that area because if we lose him as well, we end up with just James Breer right back at that point, right?
00:20:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:20:27
Zak
So, I don't know.
00:20:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
presumably that's a position that will be wanting some sort of covering some degree
00:20:34
Zak
Yeah. Maybe depends off depends on where our strikers go. As you have talked about previously, striker market is a hot commodity and that means that the price goes up regardless of how good they are, right?
00:20:46
Zak
Look at Carello, right? He barely scored a goal. Don't you think he did score a goal for us, right? And yet still, he reai he was on club record transfers for you until Sulemana. and he wasn't very, very good. But then, you know, but teams always need strikers, and it doesn't matter what league they're in I know that we've heard the Onoatu saga's gone on for years now, and apparently every club in Turkey wants him.
00:21:07
Zak
So might be more money than we'd expect to get for him if he goes. Apparently Archer still hasn't made up his mind, which I think you, me and you have had this discussion before, and I think a lot of what's being said in the press is more that they don't want to say they are thinking about next season.
00:21:25
Zak
because it implies they've done tools.
00:21:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. it's just textbook mean It's just textbook media training.
00:21:28
Zak
But every... Yeah.
00:21:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
All of their answers were just textbook.
00:21:31
Zak
Exactly.
00:21:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, the focus is the next game and any attempt to take anything further context from that is ridiculous because you're not going to get an answer anyway.
00:21:35
Zak
Yeah.
00:21:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
it He's not going to turn around and say, well, I know don't want to be here because there's every possibility he's to have a choice either way. If no one comes in, he's still here. So...
00:21:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
it's not It's not as clear-cut as...
00:21:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
You don't want to make a stink and and end up in that situation.
00:22:00
Zak
Yeah, exactly.
00:22:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
How many times have we seen that from so many examples? Not even just our club, right? Like, the side O'Berahino springs to mind. A bit of a throwback, aware, but...
00:22:11
Zak
Good lord, that's... I'm pretty sure he's playing like League Two now or something like that.
00:22:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, but...
00:22:16
Zak
but Well, no, he was playing in Cyprus last time, I heard. It's a lot, doesn't it?
00:22:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's it. But... Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at our market value on the transfer market and it's... so as' an I don't know.
00:22:32
Zak
Brereton Diaz has an option to buy for Sheffield United that looks like it's going to be profitable.
00:22:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:22:38
Zak
that might be That might be a place where we make a bit of money.
00:22:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
Right. Good.
00:22:42
Zak
Aribo is probably not going to be sold for more than we paid for him, but I think that if he decides to go, which apparently he very much wants a new challenge, that could be...
00:22:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
he's been here. I mean, I'm not surprised. He has been here through the worst of times, uh, as well as sort becoming a key part of that promotion drive last year.
00:23:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
So it's, it's been here. What three was it?
00:23:09
Zak
Three, four years.
00:23:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
his Was it our relegation season? He signed for us. I think it was. 22, 23. yeah twenty two twenty three So yeah, sir I don't know, what did we pay for 7 million? So yeah, I could see us make turning a profit on that or or breaking even.
00:23:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
could see some clubs coming in for him for that money, for sure.
00:23:29
Zak
Yeah, okay, so like, but you know, obviously I've given you my opinion. What shorts, where do you think the value in our squad is? where do What do you think could would be most surprising? Because obviously we can say the Ramsdale's, we can say, you know, who do you think might end up going that will throw us off?
00:23:44
Zak
Again, like, I don't know how much Napoli might be willing to pay for Sigoura. That might end up being really profitable if he decides to go. That's what I'm saying.
00:23:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised to see... a bit of a left field one. Maybe Jan Bednarak make a move.
00:23:59
Zak
Really?
00:23:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
and Yeah, I know that he's quite settled here.
00:24:00
Zak
Because he said he wanted to be here forever.
00:24:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I mean, and if that's the case, great, so be it. But he's an experienced international level defender. So I could see someone potentially coming in. Like say, it really depends how much of a fire sale we we end up...
00:24:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
in with ourselves. And, you know, would if it came down to it, would we rather lose Bednarek to keep Harwood Bellis?
00:24:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
Might be what it comes down to, right? Like, Harwood Bellis is a... You would hope his value is only going to grow. When we signed him at the start of the season, i truly believed and hoped that that was a future Saints captain starting in the ranks.
00:24:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
i know there's been some whispers.
00:24:50
Zak
That's the difficulty for me, right? Because the thing is, is that, you know, more more indictment of blah, blah, blah, modern football. But trying to sacrifice another player to keep another player, I don't know how many years we would get out of Harwood-Bellis if...
00:25:06
Zak
we say we So so we we keep him next year, we do the championship. Say we come up again, or we don't come up again. that subneath So we come up and some big club puts an offer in.
00:25:16
Zak
We don't come up, and then a Premier League team puts an offer then we lose him. And then we potentially lost Bednarek to try and make space for a player that might leave us anyway. But arguably, if you're applying the logic that I'm using here to any of the squad fans,
00:25:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:34
Zak
It's difficult. And I think this is one of the biggest problems now with the way that contracts and back to the way that football is when it comes to transfers is difficult to predict because contracts that mean nothing other than it's slightly more expensive to get rid of a player.
00:25:50
Zak
And for a lot of clubs, that isn't a problem. Or in our case, what we end up doing is giving someone a five-year contract and after one year, want to get rid of them. So then it becomes even more of a problem. So it's really, really difficult.
00:25:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:26:00
Zak
But I... From a personal perspective, I don't think, I think if Benrek was going to go, he would have gone when Roma came in, because that would have been a big money move for him. And I think that he just doesn't really care and doesn't want to leave.
00:26:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:26:13
Zak
but
00:26:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:26:14
Zak
Not really care about us.
00:26:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's settled here.
00:26:15
Zak
I mean, like, he doesn't really care about the outside noise.
00:26:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:26:18
Zak
He's very much just allowed to play it through whether we like or not.
00:26:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's settled. He's happy. And yeah, maybe that's the case.
00:26:23
Zak
Yep.
00:26:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, what I'm taking from it, Zach, that we're not really transfer experts, but it's going to be a very exciting summer. i Yeah.
00:26:35
Zak
It's like throw a dartboard, right? Because like i wouldn't have I would not have thought of all the players to go in January out on loan. I wouldn't have thought it was Adam Armstrong.
00:26:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, yeah, that really came out of the blue.
00:26:45
Zak
That came out of nowhere. he went so He's gone to West Brom. He's not had the best of times so far. Obviously, he went back to scoring ways. and then kind of has had a lot of gap between them. But that really threw me left field. But then also, we were pretty convinced that they would stick with Russell Martin for everything, which I think they did, right up until the point that, you know, 4-0 down after 25 minutes becomes untenable for pretty much any manager, unless you're Ralph Hasenhutl. So...
00:27:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Okay. Well, that is just about all we've got time for today. the summer will be an interesting interesting one, hopefully heading into a much more positive season next season.
00:27:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
But we will be back next week with some actual Saints football matches. Crystal Palace coming up on Wednesday. Uh, we've still got one more episode to fill before we start thinking about match previews and crossovers though, Zach.
00:27:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, uh, we're back on Monday with some more saints related goodness.
00:27:40
Zak
We'll figure it out.
00:27:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Uh, as always, Zach, thank you for joining me. Thank you everyone for listening. let us know in the comments what you think, where is the value in our squad that's going to, make us some money to spend on someone who can score a goal.
00:27:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
That is what we're aiming for. Right. Uh, Let us know.
00:28:02
Zak
Bring back chain book, Adams.
00:28:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
We're on...
00:28:03
Zak
Why not?
00:28:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, no.
00:28:05
Zak
No, no, I'm not.
00:28:06
Zak
I joke, I joke.
00:28:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
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00:28:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
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