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Gardening 101: Am I Too Late to Start
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In this special episode of Hort Culture, our very own Brett Wolff flips the script and plays the role of a brand-new gardener with lots of questions about getting started. He approaches the team with concerns like, “Am I too late to start a garden this year?” “What should I plant first?” and “How do I keep from killing everything?”
Join us as we break down the gardening calendar, discuss easy crops for beginners, and share practical tips to set any new gardener up for success. Whether you’re starting from scratch or just need a refresher, this episode is packed with useful advice, encouragement, and maybe a few laughs as Brett navigates the world of home gardening.
ID-128 Home Vegetable Gardening in Kentucky
Growing Your Own Garden-Calendar
Questions/Comments/Feedback/Suggestions for Topics: hortculturepodcast@l.uky.edu
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Transcript
Spring Fever and Seasonal Shifts
00:00:17
Alexis
It's spring, baby. When we're recording. i don't care when this episode comes out. It's pretty much spring.
00:00:24
Brett
You don't care.
00:00:24
Alexis
I'm claiming it. It's in my bones. I don't care if it's technically spring.
00:00:26
Jessica
Even if it's fake spring.
00:00:27
Alexis
It's fake spring.
00:00:29
Plant People
Fall, spring, fall, spring. We have a lot of fall springs.
00:00:30
Alexis
Fall spring. Fall spring too.
00:00:31
Plant People
Yeah.
00:00:31
Brett
The offspring.
00:00:32
Plant People
A lot of winters, blackberry winter, red bug winter.
00:00:33
Alexis
Is this one of those times when like you call it like a red bud winter or a dogwood just winter?
00:00:39
Plant People
I don't think anything is this early. I think it's just winter. don't know that there's any kind of winter.
00:00:42
Brett
Is this getting cat, is this what getting catfished means?
00:00:43
Jessica
we we Yeah.
00:00:44
Plant People
Yeah.
00:00:44
Alexis
Early March is just winter.
00:00:46
Jessica
I think we just actually had legit winter this year versus, you know, normally we haven't had
00:00:49
Plant People
yeah
00:00:51
Plant People
We had dirty snow winter, meaning it hung around long enough to get dirty. So it's been there for a while.
00:00:55
Brett
dirty dirty dirty snow
00:00:55
Plant People
So yeah.
00:00:56
Alexis
Code. Code.
00:00:58
Jessica
Yeah, very cold.
00:00:58
Alexis
Yeah.
00:01:00
Plant People
Yeah, cold.
00:01:00
Alexis
Plants still seem to be happy. They're like, this is winter.
00:01:02
Jessica
Right, yeah.
00:01:03
Alexis
Everybody relax. I saw my daffodils starting to poke up.
00:01:07
Plant People
Nice.
00:01:07
Jessica
Yes.
00:01:07
Alexis
The ones close to my house that have, um you know, gotten some good warm soil from the brick.
00:01:13
Jessica
I told Alexis this the other day, how my son and I were walking around our yard and we saw the daffodils coming up and he tried to explain to his dad that there are flowers that are coming up and they're the flowers that still need to be in bed.
00:01:13
Alexis
So.
00:01:26
Jessica
He's like, they need to go back to sleep. they're they're They're coming up too early. So the sleepy flowers and my husband was like, I have no idea what you're talking about. And it was daffodils.
00:01:34
Alexis
because he wants to plant sunflowers and you told him it's still time to sleep.
00:01:37
Jessica
Oh, it's killing him. Yeah. He can't plant his son flowers yet.
00:01:42
Plant People
Not time. It's not time.
00:01:44
Brett
And not snow flowers.
00:01:44
Jessica
nope
00:01:46
Plant People
It's not snowdrops. Not that. So
Psychology and Gardening
00:01:50
Alexis
Well, it's that time of year to talk about gardening and how exciting it is.
00:01:50
Plant People
it is that time of year.
00:01:52
Jessica
talking about planting right
00:01:56
Brett
That was the shortest and most linear intro we have ever done in our lives.
00:01:59
Plant People
Yes, just straight to the point.
00:02:00
Alexis
I'm a one, okay? That's who I am as a person.
00:02:03
Brett
Oh my.
00:02:03
Plant People
It's your personality. Your whole personality is just getting to the point.
00:02:06
Brett
Alexis is making reference to the the Enneagram.
00:02:06
Plant People
Yeah.
00:02:09
Brett
and Some listeners will have heard us talk about that. But if you if you know your number, be sure to drop it in the comments or let us know. We don't know what what Ray or Jessica might be.
00:02:21
Brett
Jessica just went through a different type of personality test um called DISC.
00:02:22
Jessica
Nope.
00:02:27
Jessica
Yeah.
00:02:28
Brett
And I'm going to reuse the joke from the break. So you your type was DVD-ROM.
00:02:33
Jessica
Yes, that is correct.
00:02:33
Brett
Is that correct?
00:02:34
Jessica
That is correct.
00:02:34
Brett
Okay.
00:02:34
Alexis
laughter
00:02:34
Plant People
Compact disc.
00:02:36
Brett
got it.
00:02:36
Plant People
I'm more of, I'll be more like, what's the pre-disc to even the yeah, even the VCR tape, Betamax.
00:02:39
Jessica
You're a floppy disk.
00:02:41
Brett
Like Betamax?
00:02:43
Plant People
Yes, thank you, Brett.
00:02:44
Brett
Yeah.
00:02:45
Plant People
I'm like the OG, the Betamax that's like 14 inches wide and you put in the big Pioneer player.
00:02:47
Brett
That's right.
00:02:49
Jessica
you
00:02:50
Plant People
Yeah, I'll be the Betamax.
00:02:51
Brett
two A two-hand deal.
00:02:52
Plant People
I'm not an alpha for sure. I'm a Betamax.
00:02:57
Plant People
That's right. I'm happy with that number of good things.
00:02:58
Brett
Yeah, well, this isn't the Joe Rogan podcast. This is the Hort Culture podcast, so there's plenty of room for betas anytime.
00:03:01
Plant People
That's exactly right.
00:03:03
Brett
Betamax is
00:03:03
Plant People
ah Alexis had something we need to follow up on sometime. And I meant to tell you, Alexis, during just conversation before the show, you mentioned, well, what's your garden look like based on your personality type?
00:03:12
Alexis
and
00:03:12
Plant People
And I actually did a little program on that years ago ah based on, you know, a certain assessment tool. And, and you know, we've made jokes.
00:03:18
Jessica
That's cool, right?
00:03:19
Alexis
that is cool
00:03:20
Plant People
Who's the English gardener and who's the Roman straight line gardener with the trim, you know, control?
00:03:24
Jessica
Not I.
00:03:26
Plant People
Yeah. So and it was very interesting. And um yeah, we need to do something with that sometime, you know, based on personality.
00:03:32
Alexis
upcoming episode based on your personality
00:03:33
Plant People
We have to all use it on this podcast. We need to all take the same assessment or go through the same process, find out our personalities and see if there's anything to that.
00:03:42
Brett
that's fun That's a very fun idea.
00:03:44
Plant People
I would love to do that, Alexis. That was a great idea. When you said that, I was like, oh, this needs to happen. it really We need to take a little time as a group. There's four of us here that are on the show weekly, and we need to do that.
00:03:52
Jessica
Yeah.
00:03:55
Plant People
And then we need to compare notes based on what our actual landscapes and gardens and all the associated plantings look like. So, yeah, great idea, Alexis.
00:04:03
Brett
Yeah, well, well, maybe to to that end or is as as a prelude to that.
00:04:03
Alexis
I like it.
00:04:04
Jessica
yeah
00:04:11
Brett
I thought we'd do a little ah little role playing here on the podcast, if that's OK with you all. ah So this is inspired by a conversation with my next door neighbor. Shout out to Eric.
00:04:22
Brett
He has been doing some ah gardening off and on for the last few years, but he was texting me about um essentially, i think the timelines of gardening and and sometimes always feeling like you're ahead or behind. And here we are. You're hearing this episode at the very earliest.
Gardening in Kentucky: Climate and Techniques
00:04:40
Brett
You're hearing it on March second ah You may be listening to it after that and thinking to yourself in Kentucky's zone six B six a, you know, depending on where you are, am I way behind the curve or am I way ahead of the curve on getting a garden started this year? You know, like it's ah by the time I know by the time fourth of July rolls around, it's kind of a lot of, lot has gone past, but here in March,
00:05:08
Brett
What is the proper timeline? And um so I thought maybe you all might, might've dealt with a few folks in that, in that realm. And just to give you a sense of what I'm thinking about.
00:05:18
Brett
And that's all I, this is what I transitioned into. i'm not going to do a voice or anything. that would
00:05:23
Plant People
Please, Brett.
00:05:23
Jessica
It's
00:05:23
Brett
I mean, ah wouldn't even, I won't even submit my enemies to that.
00:05:24
Plant People
Please do it, boys. Well...
00:05:28
Brett
um
00:05:29
Alexis
you
00:05:30
Brett
I'm thinking about growing snow peas, beets, cucumbers, tomatoes and lettuce.
00:05:42
Plant People
<unk>s there's a There's a lot.
00:05:43
Jessica
wide range there.
00:05:44
Plant People
that ah Yeah, there's a wide range. I mean, cool and warm season stuff that you just mentioned.
00:05:48
Jessica
Thank you.
00:05:49
Plant People
But as a new gardener, and and this is a common scenario that we get in extension, both specialist and field staff. And so this is the point where we start asking back a lot of questions.
00:06:01
Plant People
I don't know, Joe Gardner or whatever your name may be.
00:06:05
Brett
Please call me Brett.
00:06:05
Plant People
don't know. Brett Gardner. ah Brett, ah your exact scenario, but Mr.
00:06:12
Brett
My dad is Mr. Gardner. Please call me Brett.
00:06:13
Plant People
Gardner. That's right. mr And you're just ah Brett Hohandle Gardner.
00:06:18
Alexis
Isn't there someone in the ag economics department with the last name Gardner?
00:06:18
Plant People
Yes, full name.
00:06:21
Jessica
Oh. so
00:06:21
Plant People
I think so, yeah.
00:06:23
Alexis
Yeah?
00:06:23
Plant People
I'm sure that there must be because it's not an uncommon last name, but this is scenario.
00:06:27
Brett
There's an NFL quarterback called Gardner Minshew. So...
00:06:30
Plant People
Oh, I did not know that.
00:06:31
Alexis
Solid.
00:06:31
Plant People
and did not expect that factoid.
00:06:31
Alexis
Well, Mr. mr Gardner.
00:06:33
Plant People
Good. I like it.
00:06:34
Brett
Yeah, Mr.
00:06:36
Plant People
But this is point where we start asking questions back because it has to do, it first thing I think of when people are talking about getting started, I want to know their experiences, what they've done before.
00:06:36
Brett
Minch, yeah.
00:06:46
Plant People
and if they're fairly new to it, we begin to ask questions like, do you plan on growing transplants? which may or may not be a good idea, depending on your knowledge, skill level, and your facilities and equipment.
00:06:58
Plant People
And start from there, usually, because if you're going to involve yourself in any kind of transplants, obviously you have to back that up six, eight weeks for a lot of different transplant productions. But no, you're you're you're not too late.
00:07:07
Brett
Well, so, okay.
00:07:08
Jessica
Yeah.
00:07:08
Brett
So the ones that I'm, so I'm talking here about snow peas, beets, cucumbers, tomatoes, and lettuce, just again, are there some of those that you would recommend growing from transplants or not growing from transplants?
00:07:21
Alexis
Your peas, anything that has a really large seed, typically, you can just plop right in the ground.
00:07:22
Jessica
yeah
00:07:26
Alexis
So like if it's big enough it's big enough for like a small toddler to handle, and I say that because, you know, they're dexterity and they that's why they have the big crayons, is not as good.
00:07:28
Plant People
Yeah.
00:07:36
Alexis
So if it's something that they can like pick up one of, um corn, beans, peas, then usually direct seeding is the best way to go, especially with your peas.
00:07:47
Alexis
ah They do not like to be they don't love to be transplanted they get uh
00:07:51
Plant People
They're like curcubits, aren't they? Yeah. Some crops just don't like to be messed with.
00:07:53
Jessica
Right.
00:07:56
Plant People
Yeah.
00:07:57
Alexis
and then also yourre your cool crops the ones ray mentioned you've got cool and warm weather crops so your peas your beets and your lettuce could all be considered your cool weather crops uh and which means that they tolerate a cooler soil and they like a cooler atmosphere and so at the beginning of march is a great time to direct sow all of those
00:07:57
Plant People
After the time.
00:08:19
Brett
Right now is the beginning of March.
00:08:21
Plant People
Yeah.
00:08:21
Alexis
Oh my goodness.
00:08:21
Jessica
right
00:08:21
Brett
ah So you're telling me that this is good news that I came to you now.
00:08:22
Alexis
So this is the good news.
00:08:25
Plant People
Yeah.
00:08:25
Alexis
and If you have garden space, that could be even a pot. doesn't necessarily even have to be, you know, tilled ground or something. All of the things you're talking about could in theory be grown in a nice size pot.
00:08:36
Alexis
um
00:08:38
Jessica
Yeah, that's the.
00:08:38
Alexis
And you could plant them right in a pot that's that's ready.
00:08:41
Plant People
yeah
00:08:43
Brett
So the, yeah.
00:08:43
Jessica
Yeah. that's the following, yeah. The following question that Alexis just brought up is usually like, okay, well, if you're going to your own transplants or if you're doing a direct seed, what are you going to direct seed in? Do you have, you know, garden space that you can like till up in your ground? ah you know, do you have flower pots? Are you doing raised beds?
00:09:01
Jessica
um Are you going to build your own raised beds? Have you thought about, you know, there's a few, and we work backwards kind of,
00:09:05
Plant People
It's more about the mechanics, isn't it, Jessica? Yeah.
Getting Started with Raised Beds
00:09:08
Jessica
right.
00:09:08
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:09:08
Jessica
And,
00:09:08
Plant People
It's like, what if what where are you at? I mean, there's one thing to break soil on sod, which tends to be cooler just from its very nature of being covered with sod. So you start asking all those questions of native soil, which is pretty common.
00:09:20
Plant People
ah Or is someone leaning towards, um you know, a large planting container or raised bed garden? Two are completely different scenarios.
00:09:28
Jessica
Yep.
00:09:28
Plant People
Yeah.
00:09:29
Brett
Well, glad you asked me that because I have two scenarios that I'm thinking about.
00:09:29
Jessica
I often...
00:09:29
Plant People
Yeah.
00:09:32
Plant People
Okay.
00:09:32
Brett
One, because I'm a true leaf, in addition to being a good little boy, i got my soil test last fall to see what things were and based on the recommendation I got from my extension agent, I made some amendments and I've got planned to add some some fertilizer.
00:09:38
Jessica
Oh, nice.
00:09:39
Plant People
Oh.
00:09:48
Brett
So I have some in-ground beds that are prepped. They're they're kind of ready to ready to be planted at some point.
00:09:52
Alexis
Beautiful. Mm-hmm.
00:09:53
Plant People
oh
00:09:55
Jessica
Good.
00:09:57
Brett
But I also was thinking it would be nice to have some raised beds for some of the stuff and maybe just as a different look. Is it too late to create a raised bed and then plant into it this same spring or summer?
00:10:10
Plant People
No, not at all.
00:10:11
Jessica
No. Mm-hmm.
00:10:11
Plant People
A lot of those crops, I mean, i don't know that you mentioned them, but if you're talking about snap beans, a lot of those aren't planted here in central Kentucky until the, you know, frost free dates, which in the spring is what the last of very last of April, beginning of May.
00:10:25
Alexis
Derby day.
00:10:25
Plant People
That's a very important day.
00:10:27
Jessica
no
00:10:27
Plant People
Yeah. Very important date wherever you're at. You're here in central Kentucky, Brett. So you would base a lot a lot of the decisions you make on that frost-free date, which, you know, lot the crops, that means that you're planting after the fact.
00:10:40
Plant People
So, yeah.
00:10:41
Brett
So i yeah I got the peas.
00:10:41
Plant People
yeah don't Not too late.
00:10:43
Brett
said the peas. Help me again. The peas, the beets. What was the other cool season?
00:10:47
Alexis
Lettuce.
00:10:48
Jessica
Lettuce.
00:10:48
Brett
one Lettuce.
00:10:49
Plant People
Lettuce.
00:10:50
Brett
So you're telling me when I go to put this garden out, I'm not going to be planting all of these at the exact same time.
00:10:57
Plant People
No, uh, not unless you're doing succession planning and we won't muddy the water with that. so yeah.
00:11:02
Brett
So i can I can put out those three things, the peas, the beets, and the lettuce earlier than I can the other stuff.
00:11:05
Jessica
right.
00:11:06
Plant People
Your cool seasons. Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:08
Alexis
Warm season.
00:11:08
Jessica
But you if you decide you want to attempt to grow your own tomatoes, right, ah from seed because you often get ah more wide variety to select from, right, versus what you're going to find at local greenhouses, farmers markets, and, you know, box stores, right?
00:11:09
Plant People
And it,
00:11:28
Jessica
So even though you you can plant some of that stuff outside now, you can also start those tomatoes inside now as well because they're going to want that warmth.
00:11:34
Alexis
warm
00:11:37
Jessica
You might want to get a heat mat to go with them. Same thing, you know, if you wanted to do peppers, some of the solanaceous crops, they just take a little extra time to get to get going.
00:11:48
Jessica
So not only can you do stuff outside, you can also start some other things inside if you want to go down that road of attempting to grow some of those summer crops as well yourself. you
00:11:58
Plant People
And at this point, it's usually the point where I will mention to people when they start to get an overwhelmed look in their eye because of garden math and all of
00:12:06
Brett
Did I look that afraid?
00:12:07
Plant People
ah I see the fear, Brad. And now that the if you are depending on the platform you you're watching this on or listening to this on, if you're on YouTube, you'll see the fear in Brett's eyes. The overwhelmed expression lets me know that I so i should suggest to him that to look into ID-128, and that's our Kentucky Gardening Manual.
00:12:27
Plant People
And all of this information we're giving you today is contained in handy charts within that manual around pages 12 and 13. You will find if you're producing transplants, you will find very, very important dates on common dates.
00:12:42
Plant People
on common garden crops of not when to plant those crops, but if you're dealing with transplants, it's when to seed those, ah to to have those transplants ready for six to eight weeks later at the proper time.
00:12:48
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:12:49
Jessica
Mm-hmm.
00:12:54
Plant People
You'll have that chart and you'll have ah early and late safe planting date charts for, we break Kentucky down into three regions, Western, Central, and Eastern.
00:13:06
Plant People
And you will have the earliest safe dates to plant things in the ground on average. And you'll have the latest latest which is a very important date to me, the late dates. I mean, we're I'm starting to use that more and more, but the latest safe dates to put things like snap beans in the ground.
00:13:19
Plant People
So we're throwing a lot of information at you, Brett, but all of this information is in that manual.
00:13:23
Brett
Yeah. So i'm I'm digesting this.
00:13:25
Plant People
It's in handy. Okay.
00:13:26
Brett
I managed to manage to look it up while you were talking.
00:13:29
Plant People
Stay with us this long.
00:13:29
Brett
And so I just went to i went to my favorite web browser and I typed in ID128.
00:13:29
Plant People
Yeah.
00:13:37
Brett
And the thing that came up was this really cool publication with, let me see what's on the front. some peppers in some pots to emphasize that point you made earlier, Alexis, about how you can grow stuff in pots.
00:13:51
Brett
That's cool. I hadn't even really thought about pots, but I'm thinking maybe I might look into that.
00:13:54
Alexis
It even has a chart in it, or at least it did, I'm sure it still does, of how many plants of you know you can put in what size pot.
00:13:59
Plant People
Yeah.
00:14:02
Jessica
Yeah.
00:14:05
Alexis
So for example, it'll tell you you can use put one tomato in the equivalent of like a five-gallon bucket, but you could put two or three bean plants in a five-gallon bucket.
00:14:05
Jessica
Which is...
00:14:16
Alexis
So that can be really helpful if you're like, Well, I can only fit three five-gallon buckets on my porch, ah so what am I going to get the most bang for my buck for?
00:14:21
Jessica
Mm-hmm.
00:14:26
Plant People
One of my favorite charts that I don't talk talk a lot about on there, it's a kind of a hybrid chart, but it and it appeals to the type A in my brain.
00:14:26
Brett
Cool.
00:14:35
Plant People
I think if you're looking at the latest manual, it'll be on 20-1, Brett. But if you look at that, it'll list
Tomato Troubles and Tips
00:14:41
Plant People
crops starting at the earliest, the earliest crops that can either, and it the chart designates whether you start them indoors or they're direct seeded outdoors.
00:14:48
Jessica
and
00:14:50
Plant People
I love that chart because I give this to home gardeners all the time, but I like that it's kind of in chronological order, starting with all the way back in January with things like onions.
00:15:01
Plant People
ah You know, what you can start indoors, onions, you know, January 15th, if you're in Central Kentucky, January 22nd. Love that chart because it goes by month, what you can do ah in general. It's a great chart. And not only that, but on the lower right hand side, it's got, you know, those important frost free dates for different zones in Kentucky. so
00:15:20
Brett
Yeah. So I found, maybe we can talk about that one in a minute. I found down there that on page, I think 22 of the one that I'm looking at least um had the earliest and latest dates, but I'm looking on page 13, 20-13.
00:15:23
Plant People
Yeah.
00:15:34
Brett
There's table 20.6. I wasn't expecting this many numbers. i thought this was more of a plant situation, but 20.6. And it's talking about transplant production data or information. And it's cool. I hadn't i hadn't even thought of it this way. but So I'm looking for under warm season here um because I know that I've got warm cool season and warm season stuff.
00:15:57
Brett
Under the warm season, the cucumbers that I want to start, it's recommending that my transplant be three to four weeks old. And it even says here, so okay, if you want that, and and so remind me again, cucumbers, that's one of them that I want to wait until after the frost that it goes out as a plant.
00:16:15
Jessica
Right, yes.
00:16:15
Alexis
Yes.
00:16:15
Plant People
Warmer.
00:16:15
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:16:15
Plant People
Yeah. More like a May 1st kind of plant. Yeah.
00:16:19
Brett
Cool. And so it's saying for like a three to four week transplant to go out sometime in May that I probably need to start that around April 1st at the earliest.
00:16:29
Plant People
Which, you know, garden math, right? Four weeks, you start at April 1, you go to, brings you up to May 1.
00:16:31
Brett
So yeah, that makes sense.
00:16:33
Jessica
Mm-hmm.
00:16:35
Plant People
So that's a cool thing about these charts. They were developed for Kentucky using historical data. It's all very local specifically to Kentucky and the the three main regions we have. So yeah, it works really good.
00:16:46
Brett
so And something else i I didn't actually realize was that like different plants, depending on, so cucumbers and melons and stuff compared to tomatoes, compared to peppers, you actually want your transplant to be at a different age.
00:17:00
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:17:01
Plant People
Yeah, so some just some'm just um just grow faster.
00:17:01
Brett
What's that? Why is, why is that?
00:17:04
Plant People
I mean, a tomato, like if you find yourself looking at this website that Mr.
00:17:08
Jessica
Mm-hmm.
00:17:09
Plant People
Brett is on, you'll see that a pepper is more like a six to eight week. if There's a big difference between between a pepper and a cucumber. Cucumbers get to a plantable stage about twice as quick.
00:17:21
Plant People
They're three to four weeks instead of like, so that's why this chart is so good. and And even experienced home gardeners that don't produce a lot of transplants, I've showed them this table and it's an eye opener for them.
00:17:32
Plant People
They're like, wow, we've never seen it, you know, put in such a straightforward form, all this information. So it's one of the charts that it's one of the first charts that I ah go over with home gardeners as we're looking at garden math and making sure we plant things at the right date.
00:17:39
Jessica
you
00:17:42
Brett
Thank
00:17:46
Plant People
So, or, you know, seeding.
00:17:47
Alexis
I would say, and you've heard me say it before, but I'm going to reiterate. um So if it gives you say it says, you know, six to eight weeks until transplant, go,
00:17:57
Alexis
ah Go with the lower number. So ah plan it. If you want to do peppers, peppers are six to eight weeks. ah Go with six weeks out from your goal date.
00:18:08
Alexis
So if your date, you know, is is May 1st, count about back six weeks because I'd rather you plant it and maybe it's more of like a seven or eight week. I'd rather you plant it a little bit later.
00:18:19
Alexis
So maybe it's, you know, March 8th.
00:18:19
Jessica
Really?
00:18:19
Brett
Okay.
00:18:21
Alexis
um then planting it too early or that plant getting really stressed because it's eight weeks out and oh no, a late frost has come oh no, it's been raining for two weeks and I can't get outside.
00:18:27
Jessica
really yeah
00:18:35
Alexis
It's better to have a healthy transplant that's a little bit young you know ah younger and putting it out later than an unhealthy one that's root bound going out, quote unquote, on.
00:18:44
Brett
so So you're saying that I should view these average seeding dates seedling dates as the earliest date possible, and if I go a little bit later than that to start them, that's okay?
00:18:53
Alexis
Yeah, yeah.
00:18:54
Jessica
Yeah.
00:18:55
Alexis
90% of the time it's better to be a little bit later and have a really strong transplant that's not been stressed ah going out into the ground.
00:19:02
Jessica
It's, yeah, it's going to take off better once it gets out there. It's you're going to get production out of it sooner than you are that stressed one as Alexis has mentioned.
00:19:06
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:19:12
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:19:13
Brett
Cool. So I'm not sure. Do I have to start my transplants myself?
00:19:20
Jessica
No.
00:19:20
Alexis
No. No. No, you can definitely get plugs.
00:19:22
Jessica
I suggest if you've never done it before, yeah go get plugs, get buy, buy from the local high school, buy them from, you know, support local growers, get them that way.
00:19:25
Brett
I'm just nervous about, yeah.
00:19:32
Alexis
lot of the farmers markets do them now.
00:19:35
Brett
Oh, cool.
00:19:35
Alexis
And, you know, whether that's, it could be cut flowers, it could be, you know, vegetables, anything like that, you can get them. um And that's a great way to support farmers early in the season too, because their, you know, money is tight.
00:19:46
Jessica
Mm-hmm.
00:19:49
Alexis
And a lot of the times they don't have um stuff, you know, to sell, of you know, produce to sell. So ah grabbing some tasty food,
00:19:54
Jessica
ye
00:19:57
Alexis
what will be some tasty tomato plants and then you can always supplement later if you need more so that's a benefit another tip it can yeah
00:20:02
Jessica
Yeah. Oh, that's a great, yeah. Cause it can be kind of daunting, right?
00:20:07
Brett
Yeah, it's scar a little scary.
00:20:07
Jessica
Starting in your own own seeds, right? Making sure you have enough.
00:20:10
Alexis
ah
00:20:11
Jessica
Cause we could go in a whole topic of that, making sure you have the right amount of light, water, all of that, depending on um what you're doing.
00:20:16
Alexis
o
00:20:18
Brett
Yeah, I feel better about the plants being outside ah and getting some rain and other things, you know, when they're inside and I have to, yeah, you give them too much water or too little.
00:20:25
Jessica
Yep.
00:20:27
Alexis
Baby them.
00:20:29
Brett
So yeah, I mean, I think I would like to start my own transplant someday, but I don't think I'm quite ready. So I think my plan is going to be So I guess that that means if I'm going to do that, I could just go to the farm.
00:20:40
Brett
I'm going to buy them from the farmer's market, for instance. Other people sell the plants. I can just go and get those on my closer to my planting date that I'm going to put plants in the ground.
00:20:48
Alexis
Right.
00:20:50
Plant People
Then you only have to worry about the planting date rather than the transplant and planting date.
00:20:50
Brett
And as i
00:20:50
Alexis
Right.
00:20:54
Brett
Cool.
00:20:54
Plant People
So yeah, simplifying.
00:20:54
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:20:54
Brett
Well, I might I might start try a few lettuce seeds as transplants and just see if I can get them started because I ordered a bunch by accident and I have enough.
00:20:55
Jessica
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:21:04
Brett
Yeah. But I'm gonna buy tomato plants, I think.
00:21:06
Alexis
Let, yeah, lettuce you usually don't have to do as a transplant. You certainly can if you're doing like a head lettuce, ah but lettuce is one of those things you can direct seed, which takes the stress off of you, ah but also the plant tends to be a little bit happier.
00:21:11
Brett
Oh, okay.
00:21:15
Plant People
Okay.
00:21:25
Alexis
ah And so that means you can just whatever ground you have ready, whether that's, like i said, a pot, a raised bed in, you know, native soil, ah just making a little furrow and sprinkling them in there. You can do, I've seen people do, which can be fun, especially if you've got, uh,
00:21:42
Alexis
kids that you can work with ah what we call seed tape if you've not heard of seed tape before I think they have stuff about seed tape in ID 128 but you can look it up basically um when I've done it Jessica I don't know how you've done it but we've used ah like double ply toilet paper because it breaks down you know in water and so you kind of you separate those plies and you stick a little seed in the proper spacing so say
00:21:56
Jessica
Yeah.
00:22:10
Alexis
you're doing head lettuce and it should be, you know, eight inches apart. I'm just making those numbers up right now. Those are all the N1 ID 128.
00:22:18
Brett
right
00:22:19
Alexis
But let's say it's eight inches apart, you put that toilet paper down and every eight inches you stick a seed. And then all you got to do is you bury that entire strip. And so hmm.
00:22:28
Jessica
And she mentioned we're gluing them on and you're gluing them off and with, so like when I do it with kids, I do this as a project every year with our ag day.
00:22:29
Brett
um
00:22:36
Jessica
And we use flour and water mixed together to make a paste, right?
00:22:39
Alexis
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:22:40
Plant People
Mm-hmm.
00:22:41
Jessica
Cause it's going to dissolve. And they just use toothpicks and they put a little bit of like the glue They they learn to measure. They have their measuring sticks, you know, their rulers, and they mark off how many inches between the seeds.
00:22:53
Jessica
Put a little bit of glue on there, which is the flour and water paste. And then that same toothpick, they can pick up one of those tiny seeds very easily and stick it right on that glue. And then it, you know, it dries and it's ready to go and plant.
00:23:07
Plant People
I've noticed that that it's become more popular over time. I mean, commercially, you could always get the coated seeds to make them easier. to They're modified with some kind of clay coating or or something like that to make seeds bigger or more easier to run through a mechanized system.
00:23:14
Alexis
handle
00:23:16
Jessica
Mm-hmm. Okay.
00:23:21
Plant People
But now for homeowners, I'm starting to see that more because a real problem with the small seeded stuff is that they simply drop down through the cracks in soil. They go too deep. They never germinate or they don't get enough.
00:23:33
Plant People
They don't get the requirements that they need to to grow properly.
00:23:35
Alexis
or you lose them when the wind blows or you breathe on your hand too heavy that's why i bring up the seed tape you don't yeah it doesn't necessarily have to be something to you you can do the kid if you're just like
00:23:36
Plant People
Yeah. Yes. And there goes $5 worth of Yeah.
00:23:38
Brett
And
00:23:40
Plant People
Yeah. yeah
00:23:44
Alexis
a person who likes a project, especially if it's like still cold or it's really rainy outside and, you know, you can do this for yourself and then you can just wrap that back up onto something and it's ready to go, you know, in another week when you are able to go out and plant.
00:23:58
Alexis
So,
00:23:59
Brett
and so the seed tape, the toilet paper that's going into the ground.
00:24:02
Alexis
right, right. So you're burying it completely um because that toilet paper dissolves in a day as soon as it it really gets watered.
00:24:04
Brett
and Okay.
00:24:08
Jessica
And just follow, as we say constantly, whatever the seed packet says, that's what you follow, your spacing and your depth of, you know, planting.
00:24:13
Plant People
Mm-hmm.
00:24:13
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:24:17
Brett
Yeah. So I do have a couple of questions about that here in a second, but I, I wanted to just take a look at some of these dates on table 2015. Also, thank you all so much for your time. i know that it's not typical to have three extension people helping someone who's never grown a garden before, but I really,
00:24:33
Brett
I really appreciate it.
00:24:34
Alexis
Ooh, can I, if we're going to talk about dates, can I give you my tip for calendar?
00:24:37
Brett
um
00:24:38
Alexis
So please.
00:24:38
Brett
Yeah.
00:24:39
Alexis
Okay. So
Gardening by Week Numbers
00:24:40
Alexis
um growing, growing, when you get to, you know, commercial growers, a lot of the time you'll see growing um you know the weeks of the year.
00:24:40
Brett
Obviously, i say I'm here to learn.
00:24:41
Jessica
you
00:24:49
Alexis
And so they'll say, you know, grow, sow this on week 20, plant on, you know, week 40 or whatever. so it's just how many weeks you're in a year. But what I have found 20 of the year.
00:24:58
Brett
Wait, wait, wait. Week 20 is like January 1 is the first week and then January 7.
00:25:03
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:25:04
Brett
Okay, got it.
00:25:04
Alexis
Yeah, yeah. So, ah but on your phone calendar or your, you know, whatever calendar, digital calendar you use, um but even your paper calendars, you can switch to have those turned on and they can be really helpful if you're looking into seed packet that maybe is telling you, you know, so this on a certain week.
00:25:12
Jessica
you
00:25:23
Alexis
But what I like to use it for is, you know, if we're saying, you know, plant eight weeks before your frost date. Well, you can go in and say my frost date is May 5th. That's week 20.
00:25:34
Alexis
And then I can count eight back from that. And so then you're just subtracting eight from 20. And sometimes like, you know how the Mondays don't always line up and, you know, you're trying to count back Mondays and
00:25:45
Brett
My Mondays never line up.
00:25:46
Alexis
Your Mondays never line up or or whatever it is.
00:25:46
Plant People
No, with anything.
00:25:48
Jessica
Mm-hmm.
00:25:49
Alexis
um
00:25:49
Brett
Mondays.
00:25:50
Alexis
It seems really silly and you're like, Alexis, I can just count it on the calendar, but the number of times I've still gotten it wrong when I'm just trying to count you know two eight Tuesdays back versus if I can just subtract and find an actual week, um I have found that really helpful.
00:25:59
Brett
Yeah.
00:26:05
Brett
No, that makes total sense.
00:26:06
Alexis
so
00:26:07
Brett
I think the idea of that, yeah. So you're saying instead of instead of working off of actual dates that change each year,
00:26:14
Alexis
Right.
00:26:14
Brett
Instead, you're working off of which sequential week of the year it is. yeah We've done that with some of the price reporting stuff.
00:26:20
Plant People
Thank you.
00:26:21
Brett
you know We report the 42nd week of the year, or that and maybe not that much, but 32nd week of the year for ah farmer's market prices or something like that.
00:26:24
Alexis
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:26:30
Brett
Similar similar kind of deal. That makes sense. So as I'm looking at these I, you know, Ray, you mentioned I'm in the central and I went and double checked. There's a little map where I could see that I am in confirmed in the central region.
00:26:46
Brett
It looks like for the most part, I am ahead of the curve on everything. Everything on here, the earliest safe planting date is after when I am right now.
00:26:59
Brett
The only one that's close and technically I guess I'm i'm behind is my Snow Peas. They say March 1st and today's March 2nd. I'm probably not going to get them in until the end of the week.
00:27:10
Brett
Does that mean that I miss the window or can I?
00:27:11
Plant People
Better a little later than too early. i think you're right in the window because a lot of these remember are the earliest dates, the very earliest dates.
00:27:14
Jessica
Mm-hmm.
00:27:18
Brett
oh okay. Okay.
00:27:20
Plant People
You should be thinking about it.
00:27:21
Jessica
hu
00:27:22
Plant People
Yeah.
00:27:22
Alexis
also I think of them as a week so if it's you know so on week 20 you have a full seven days of a week right so you know
00:27:29
Plant People
Yeah.
00:27:31
Brett
I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm not sure that i
00:27:32
Plant People
It seems like as a home gardener, Brett, you're probably well ahead of the curve of a lot of new, newer especially newer gardeners. You're way ahead of someone that calls me on May the 1st and says, what can we do?
00:27:43
Plant People
So we start from a lot of times. that
00:27:45
Alexis
ah fall garden.
00:27:46
Plant People
Yes.
00:27:47
Brett
Thank you for that.
00:27:47
Jessica
Right.
00:27:47
Plant People
Yeah.
00:27:47
Brett
Thank you for that praise.
00:27:47
Jessica
Plan for your fall garden.
00:27:49
Plant People
I mean, they the then we start talking about that latest safe dating, that that the latest date chart for Central Kentucky.
00:27:55
Brett
Yeah, you can get ah get a call in the same week. One is, i want to have a tomato garden and our tomato going to be at the farmer's market this week.
00:28:03
Alexis
isn
00:28:03
Brett
That both happens on May 1st.
00:28:04
Jessica
Right.
00:28:05
Plant People
Yes.
00:28:05
Jessica
Yes.
00:28:05
Plant People
Yes. That is not that that's pretty common. In fact. So, yeah.
00:28:09
Brett
Sorry, I broke character.
00:28:10
Plant People
Yeah.
00:28:11
Brett
um Yeah, i guess I guess any other thoughts you all have as far as the timing goes?
00:28:11
Jessica
bean Beans, corn, and tomatoes.
00:28:11
Plant People
Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:13
Jessica
That's what everyone's looking for.
00:28:13
Plant People
yeah
00:28:19
Brett
And I noticed all of these late dates. Does that mean like Is that when I would be picking it or like i how what's that about?
00:28:30
Plant People
It denotes it on the chart there if it's direct seeded, first of all, or transplant ah for those ah latest safe planting dates.
00:28:37
Jessica
Thank you.
00:28:37
Plant People
From my experience working with home gardeners, we don't use that side of the chart as much because spring gardens are more typical. The frustrating thing for me about the latest dates from a homeowner perspective is that, yeah, there's a lot of stuff. If you go to this garden manual and you look on that twenty twenty two page or you know, whatever version of the file you're looking at is that keep in mind that transplants for those things that should be transplanted, you may not have the availability that you think you might have ah for gardens that are planted out of that typical spring season.
00:29:12
Plant People
a So you may not have a source for those.
00:29:12
Brett
to not To buy them from someone else, you mean?
00:29:15
Plant People
You may not be able to buy those.
00:29:16
Jessica
Right.
00:29:16
Plant People
So yeah, that's, that's a tough thing.
00:29:17
Brett
the So the, yeah, the store has transplants for the spring.
00:29:18
Plant People
Yeah. Okay.
00:29:21
Brett
Everybody's excited, but in the fall, I may need to start my own.
00:29:24
Jessica
Coal crops is is a good example of that because um so you're like your broccoli, your cabbage, ah all of those kind of crops, called ah cauliflower, cauliflower.
00:29:24
Plant People
Yes, exactly.
00:29:25
Plant People
Yeah.
00:29:26
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:29:26
Plant People
Yeah.
00:29:26
Brett
What is that?
00:29:26
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:29:27
Brett
What's that, Cole?
00:29:30
Brett
Oh.
00:29:33
Brett
Green. The green stuff.
00:29:36
Jessica
Right.
00:29:36
Plant People
Yeah.
00:29:37
Jessica
And they traditionally do really well in Kentucky in the fall.
00:29:37
Alexis
to
00:29:41
Jessica
um
00:29:41
Brett
Hmm.
00:29:42
Jessica
And it just depends because sometimes you can find it at local stores ah in the spring. Right. Because but then a lot of times we heat up too quickly for them in the spring and they they enjoy those cooler nights.
00:29:51
Alexis
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:29:54
Plant People
Yeah.
00:29:55
Jessica
and So it's kind of lucky when you can find like a local feed store or garden supplies or that will actually carry those transplants or greenhouse. um in in the fall in the time because a lot of times you don't see them so much at farmers markets because by that time those farmers market vendors are rocking and rolling with their tomatoes that are coming in and and if they are if they do have any of those transplants they're planting them for their themselves you know to have that produce available coming up
00:30:08
Plant People
Yeah,
00:30:21
Plant People
yeah. yeah
00:30:22
Alexis
Right. But
00:30:25
Plant People
It's much more common for commercial producers to involve themselves with that. i I very rarely find a good selection of all the things that I want for those late, safe planting dates, the fall crops.
00:30:34
Jessica
yeah
00:30:36
Plant People
You're absolutely right when you deal with those. So if you get interested in those as a home gardener, you either work out a deal directly with a small local greenhouse or plan on growing those yourself if you want access to the varieties that you want, if you have specific things in mind.
00:30:51
Brett
That makes sense. And i'm I'm glad that I checked and looked at it now because I think so.
00:30:51
Alexis
but
00:30:55
Brett
I mentioned I'm not really going to grow any transplants this spring myself.
00:30:55
Jessica
Mm-hmm.
00:30:57
Brett
I think I'm going to let let the pros do that one more time at least. But I'm kind of surprised how how early some of these latest safe dates are.
00:31:08
Brett
Some of them are in June, even in in July.
00:31:10
Plant People
Oh yeah.
00:31:11
Alexis
So um I don't know if we answered your question though, Brett, on like why that let late date is.
00:31:18
Brett
Yeah, why that Why that?
00:31:18
Alexis
So why can't why shouldn't you plant after that latest planting date?
00:31:19
Brett
why why is that
00:31:23
Alexis
So um the whether it's warm season or cool season, we've talked about how there's crops that don't like the cold and then there's crops who thrive in the cold, right? And so The idea is that they have a certain number of days until they reach maturity and maturity is them, you know, fruiting or being harvestable.
00:31:39
Jessica
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:31:42
Alexis
And so if you plant them too late, they won't reach maturity before that untimely weather comes in or that bad weather comes in.
00:31:50
Plant People
Central Kentucky is like last of October, beginning of November of the
00:31:52
Brett
I see.
00:31:53
Alexis
Right.
00:31:53
Brett
So you need to just give them that saying you have to have this in by July 15th allows that thing to get to its mature stage before it gets too cold for it.
00:32:01
Alexis
Before frost kills it, correct?
00:32:02
Plant People
Yeah.
00:32:03
Alexis
Right, right, exactly.
00:32:04
Plant People
And the days are getting shorter.
00:32:04
Brett
Ah. Hmm.
00:32:05
Plant People
So, I mean, you take something like a tomato and it's amazing. You plant that thing late and they're just so day day length sensitive that the crops just don't do well.
00:32:08
Alexis
That's very true.
00:32:14
Plant People
Number one, the frost is going to get them.
00:32:15
Jessica
Mm-hmm.
00:32:16
Plant People
Number two, the days are too short to produce those warm season crops. So
Overcoming Environmental Challenges
00:32:20
Plant People
double whammy. Good point, Alexis. Yeah.
00:32:23
Brett
Cool. Well, so I do have a few ah seeds picked out for some stuff that I may be wanting to grow and maybe I could read through. So, so this, I'm looking at some beets here, for instance, and they say, and I'll, I'll go ahead since we're, you know, since we're video conferencing for you all helping me out here, I'll go ahead and share the link to these beets that I'm looking at.
00:32:47
Brett
And they look yummy. I love a roasted beet.
00:32:50
Jessica
and
00:32:51
Brett
Hope to grow one someday.
00:32:51
Jessica
try them every year and still it's a no.
00:32:54
Plant People
and not ah Not a fan, huh?
00:32:56
Alexis
taste Tastes a little bit like dirt for you, Jessica.
00:32:56
Jessica
Yeah.
00:32:56
Brett
You mean eating?
00:32:58
Jessica
Yeah.
00:33:00
Plant People
you like pickle beets, though?
00:33:02
Jessica
I can't think if I've had pickled beets or not.
00:33:03
Plant People
I like pickle beets.
00:33:06
Plant People
Yeah.
00:33:07
Alexis
There are definitely some beets that I think if they they get too hot, maybe, that they do taste more like dirt.
00:33:12
Plant People
Wonky.
00:33:13
Alexis
And I really like beets, but like sometimes I'm like, this tastes like dirt.
00:33:14
Plant People
They take a lot.
00:33:15
Jessica
Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:15
Plant People
They taste like dirt. Yeah.
00:33:16
Jessica
It's like one of those things. I try every time like this is the year. I'm going to like it. And then I'm like, oh, no.
00:33:21
Alexis
I'm proud of you.
00:33:21
Plant People
Yeah.
00:33:22
Brett
How many times have you done it?
00:33:23
Alexis
No.
00:33:25
Jessica
I don't know. a lot.
00:33:26
Brett
Like more than 10?
00:33:27
Plant People
Multiple times.
00:33:28
Jessica
Probably. Same thing with lemons.
00:33:29
Plant People
Okay.
00:33:29
Brett
Yeah. There's some kind of break-even number like with kids trying stuff where it's like if you try it this many times then it's like probably not.
00:33:35
Plant People
It becomes a no-go. Yeah, just go away from it. Yeah.
00:33:38
Jessica
I just need to stop at this point.
00:33:39
Brett
Just give it up, okay? Just beat it.
00:33:40
Plant People
Maybe. Maybe.
00:33:42
Jessica
don't try beet juice as an alternative. That won't make things better.
00:33:44
Brett
Oh, no.
00:33:44
Alexis
new
00:33:44
Plant People
Ooh. Ooh.
00:33:45
Jessica
It
00:33:45
Plant People
Yeah, that doesn't seem like a good alternative.
00:33:47
Brett
and and Also, it sounds like a nightmare trip to the bathroom later when you forgot that you drank beet juice.
00:33:50
Plant People
Yeah. Yeah, that's... Yeah, and and so many bad things.
00:33:52
Brett
Like, ah!
00:33:55
Jessica
was just a sip and I was like, this is not good.
00:33:57
Plant People
Not for you.
00:33:57
Jessica
It was in honor Dwight Schrute to see.
00:33:58
Plant People
Beats Battlestar Galactica. Yeah. Yes, I was going to Shrewd Farms.
00:34:02
Jessica
see
00:34:02
Brett
Ah, because every time I have beats, I always almost call a nephrologist.
00:34:04
Jessica
yeah
00:34:07
Brett
be Like, I think I'm done.
00:34:08
Plant People
What is happening?
00:34:09
Alexis
Yeah, I have to remind myself.
00:34:09
Plant People
Yeah.
00:34:10
Alexis
Don't forget you ate beets.
00:34:10
Brett
Turns out.
00:34:12
Alexis
if you's ah If it's a beet asparagus today, all bets are off.
00:34:12
Plant People
Done for.
00:34:15
Brett
Ooh, it's a multi-sensorial experience, like synesthesia.
00:34:15
Plant People
Yeah. It's your, yeah. It's going to be a bad day for everybody.
00:34:22
Brett
So on here, it says, um it says that the days to maturity on these beats is 55 days.
00:34:29
Jessica
Mm-hmm.
00:34:30
Brett
So you're telling me as I went back to the ID 128 and I look here and it says my earliest safe planting date is March 15. So if I were to go out and put a beat in the ground March 15, then it germinates 55 days from then in theory, ah you know, things can change a little bit.
00:34:43
Plant People
yeah
00:34:46
Plant People
Yep. Almost two minutes.
00:34:48
Brett
I'm going to have a beat.
00:34:49
Plant People
Yeah.
00:34:49
Jessica
You should be able to harvest, yeah.
00:34:49
Alexis
Yep.
00:34:51
Plant People
Yeah.
00:34:52
Brett
So by like, um like the middle of May
00:34:56
Alexis
It's compressive, isn't it?
00:34:57
Brett
ish, right?
00:34:57
Jessica
Mm-hmm.
00:34:59
Alexis
If you do radishes, it's like some of them are like 30 days. It's wild.
00:35:04
Plant People
And this is an important point. thing to point out on seed packs and there will be some variants based on specific varieties. That's why I love the seed packs and almost all seed packs that I've ever seen will say how many days to maturity.
00:35:17
Plant People
And you'll notice with the, I'll pick on tomatoes again. There's a big variance in like, you know, tomatoes or i don't, beets don't vary as much, but look on that seed pack and on average, you
00:35:21
Brett
Yeah, I noticed that. Yeah.
00:35:29
Plant People
this chart is going to get you where you need to be, you know, give or take plus or minus a few percentage points. But on things like tomatoes, it can be more significant things like so corn sweet corn.
00:35:38
Jessica
right
00:35:38
Plant People
and It can be way, you know, a big variance.
00:35:41
Jessica
yeah there's some sweet corn varieties that can be very long to maturity but then there are those out there that you can find that are a quick maturing one that are good for planting in like late june so you get like a fall crop of sweet corn because it can you can be harvesting sweet corn in september with them
00:35:45
Plant People
Yeah.
00:35:50
Plant People
Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:52
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:35:58
Plant People
So these these averages are good, but just keep in mind that if you're like, oh, I planted my tomato this at this time and it's it was two weeks later than what the chart said, well, that probably is a varietal difference.
00:36:10
Brett
Yeah, once as I was shopping, I noticed that like there's tomatoes on here that their data maturity is 60 days and there's other ones where it's over 100 days.
00:36:10
Jessica
that in
00:36:19
Plant People
Yeah, it's incredible.
00:36:19
Jessica
yeah yeah
00:36:20
Brett
That's guts over a month difference.
00:36:22
Plant People
Yeah, really incredible.
00:36:23
Jessica
And you've got to think of environmental things too.
00:36:26
Brett
Hmm.
00:36:26
Jessica
Like, you know, with that, that can play a part in it with maturity, cool springs, or if it gets too hot too quick.
00:36:29
Plant People
Cool springs. Yeah.
00:36:32
Jessica
Cause eventually, I don't know, we probably already said this on here at some point, just not this episode, but like eventually gets so hot outside that even the plants are like, I'm done. I'm not pur producing, you know?
00:36:43
Plant People
They go sterile. The blooms do bad things happen with vine crops.
00:36:44
Jessica
Right. So, so.
00:36:46
Plant People
A lot of the crops. Yeah.
00:36:48
Jessica
So things things can happen like that too that can fluctuate that day to maturity. But it's pretty pretty accurate most the time.
00:36:56
Brett
in the
00:36:56
Plant People
Gardening more than anything is about the math. It's about the calendar. Yeah. Getting that right.
00:37:00
Brett
in the In the world of bonsai, they talk about a a period of summer dormancy where there's like the biological processes slowed down so much just because it's so, so hot that, yeah, so that's that makes sense to me.
00:37:13
Brett
So I guess the only other, the main other thing I was thinking about, I guess, is just making sure about the spacing and like, I don't want to have way too many or put them in too close.
00:37:25
Brett
Would you recommend looking somewhere in a publication or is this a seed pack question?
00:37:28
Plant People
All in that gardening publication. at Seed Pack, yes, but also ah that gardening publication that we've been referring to constantly during the course of this episode.
00:37:36
Brett
Okay.
00:37:36
Jessica
Yeah.
00:37:37
Plant People
Yeah.
00:37:38
Brett
So this is saying begin sowing.
00:37:38
Jessica
Well, in
00:37:40
Brett
Yeah, sorry. Okay.
00:37:41
Jessica
I was going to say, and then like when you buy transplants, most of them will have, like sometimes you might buy them from somebody and they'll just have like the name on them. But majority of the time they will have tags that will have that information as well.
00:37:53
Jessica
Like your spacing and what their needs are.
00:37:55
Brett
Okay.
00:37:57
Brett
So what's the downside of planning this stuff too close together?
00:38:02
Plant People
Number one.
00:38:02
Alexis
if it's a root crop they won't get as big so um
00:38:03
Plant People
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously if you have a container, it's a little different. If you have a big container that gets, you know, yeah.
00:38:10
Alexis
to water a lot more
00:38:12
Jessica
Yeah.
00:38:12
Plant People
Water more self shading diseases that, I mean, yeah, lots of things.
00:38:14
Jessica
and that yeah I was going to say disease. Leaves can't dry off as easily ah for that disease pressure.
00:38:19
Plant People
Yeah.
00:38:20
Jessica
I automatically think of tomatoes, you know, when they get planted too close together.
00:38:22
Plant People
Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:38:25
Jessica
It's hard to harvest them unless you're going to, you know, prune and tie them and all of that.
00:38:33
Brett
Okay, well, I'll make sure to space them out. So so I'm looking at the beat seed directions here, just making sure that I understand these before I go home and forget everything.
00:38:41
Plant People
Drop the beats.
00:38:41
Brett
um beginning Before I go home and drop the beat. ah Begin early sowings when soil has warmed, but I'm going to go based on the the seat that their date that was in ID 128 and even maybe go a couple days past that.
00:38:49
Jessica
you
00:38:58
Brett
15 seats. So 15 seeds per foot, a half inch deep rows, 12 to 18 inches apart, thin to one plant per three inches for a continuous supply of greens and small tender beats. So seeds at two week intervals until eight weeks. That's, that's more advanced than me. I want to get one round of beats.
00:39:19
Brett
So thin to one. Does that just mean i like, what do I, how do I do that?
00:39:24
Alexis
So beets are one of the weird ones. You picked a weirdo. um one be One beet seed, what you would grab as one beet seed is actually got multiple embryos in it.
00:39:28
Plant People
Way to go, Brett. Way to go.
00:39:29
Brett
Dang. Let's see.
00:39:31
Jessica
you
00:39:37
Alexis
So in theory, like one quote unquote beet seed will produce multiple plants.
00:39:38
Brett
Mmm.
00:39:43
Alexis
So it's sort of like um it has quadruplets,
Seed Secrets: Thinning and Direct Seeding
00:39:47
Alexis
basically. That would be the equivalent of that versus something like lettuce,
00:39:48
Brett
Oh.
00:39:52
Alexis
is one seed is one plant. All right. So that's you you picked a weirdo. So that's one of the reasons one of the reasons it tells you to thin is because it knows that you are going to get way more plants than you actually need. But there's there's no way you can avoid it because of the ah nature of that seed.
00:40:13
Brett
I see.
00:40:13
Jessica
And it's it's hard thinning or the concept is thinning is hard for people sometimes because we because a lot of them when you're direct seeding, you're just taking that package or, you know, you're sprinkling them along that furrow or you've, you know, you're it's hard to space like those little beet seeds all apart or like a carrot seeds.
00:40:16
Alexis
hmm.
00:40:31
Jessica
And then they all come up together and you're like all excited about all your little plants coming up. and And then you're going to go back through you're going rip them out. Right.
00:40:40
Plant People
Yep.
00:40:40
Jessica
You're going to get that proper spacing. And that's hard sometimes for people to do that. But then as we've already mentioned, Alexis already said, you know, the overcrowding, they are just not going to produce as well if you leave them.
00:40:51
Alexis
Quality over quantity.
00:40:53
Jessica
Yeah. If you don't do that thinning.
00:40:55
Brett
So to ask a silly question, thinning just means pulling them out.
00:40:56
Jessica
home
00:41:00
Jessica
yep
00:41:01
Brett
Pulling out ones that are not, that are too close together.
00:41:01
Plant People
ye
00:41:03
Plant People
Some people will do pinching.
00:41:03
Alexis
Right.
00:41:04
Jessica
Yeah,
00:41:04
Plant People
i mean, there's different ways to accomplish that. It could be little specialized little hand rake or hand tool.
00:41:08
Jessica
yellow little scissors or...
00:41:09
Plant People
Yeah.
00:41:10
Brett
Okay.
00:41:10
Plant People
Lots of different ways to do them.
00:41:12
Brett
So I'm putting out more than I, more than I'm going to need. And then I'm so taking out some to leave room so that the ones that are left behind can grow big and strong.
00:41:20
Plant People
Your garden will thank you later.
00:41:20
Alexis
And putting out a little bit extra is always good because you're going to you may have you know some get eaten by a bird or a mouse or just not germinate because they got too much water or whatever that is.
00:41:24
Jessica
Yeah.
00:41:27
Plant People
Yeah.
00:41:32
Alexis
So, you know, you're kind of compensating and seed is so inexpensive in comparison to like a transplant.
00:41:39
Plant People
Yeah.
00:41:40
Brett
So is there anything you would recommend that I do in the ground versus in my raised bed that I'm going to build?
00:41:46
Plant People
Uh, things like, I think of so crops in the way that they grow, like corn is ah to me, not a good use of a raised bed because the size of corn and the intensity, I save crops like that for in-ground.
00:41:47
Jessica
Yeah.
00:41:50
Alexis
Corn, yeah. cornia
00:41:53
Jessica
yeah
00:41:58
Plant People
Um, but because, and there's a big difference. There's a huge difference between the nutrient profile of in-ground, which is more buffered native mineral-based soils, you know, dirt.
00:42:09
Plant People
Sorry, Alexis. I know that your eye just twitched, but, uh, that's more buffered. So you can, typically deal with nutrients a little easier in soil.
00:42:17
Brett
Thank you.
00:42:19
Plant People
And I think about all those crops and raised beds and you have to be a little bit more careful about your fertilizer usage.
00:42:21
Jessica
and
00:42:24
Jessica
I also think about like space wise in that raised bed. We like, we talk a lot about square foot gardening and stuff and how raised beds can be used that way.
00:42:28
Plant People
one
00:42:31
Jessica
But like your vining crops, think about how much space they're going to take up.
00:42:34
Plant People
Yeah.
00:42:35
Alexis
you yeah
00:42:37
Jessica
And, um you know, if you plant them ground at the end of a garden, ah you know, for them to run and have as much space as they want, because you don't want them to overtake that whole raised bed you know,
00:42:45
Plant People
yeah
00:42:49
Brett
So that's like my my cucumbers in this case.
00:42:53
Jessica
Well, cucumbers, yeah.
00:42:54
Plant People
Depends on your, if yeah they're the patio cucumbers or bush top, the really compact cucumbers.
00:42:55
Jessica
Yeah.
00:42:59
Plant People
Yeah.
00:43:00
Jessica
Yeah.
00:43:00
Brett
So what would be other vine and crop? Sorry.
00:43:02
Jessica
So like if you decide to grow butternut squash or if you try to do some watermelon or, you know, something else like that, but like, yeah, yeah.
00:43:05
Brett
Oh.
00:43:05
Plant People
Yeah. Watermelons. Yeah.
00:43:10
Brett
I see. I gotcha.
00:43:12
Jessica
Those cucumbers, you could go either way. And especially sometimes like you can provide a small trellis for them to grow up and that might be anchored better in a raised than out in your, you know, just your general garden plot.
00:43:26
Alexis
I've seen really cool raised beds um at a community garden I was helping with and they had some pretty tall raised beds and they were, you know, about ah three or four foot apart so you could walk in between them.
00:43:28
Brett
Mm-hmm.
00:43:37
Alexis
And then they created like a, um a
00:43:41
Jessica
Like an archway, right?
00:43:42
Alexis
and yeah, an archway, but in it was like a teepee shape basically where you could walk underneath it.
00:43:45
Brett
move
00:43:47
Alexis
you know connecting the beds and they ran strings up so that their beans, they specifically were doing runner beans, but you could also do melons or something like that and put some trellis up ah makes it easier to harvest you don't have to bend over and it also gets things ah you know shh spreads things out a little bit more and uses utilizes some space you can even use you know if you create a trellis ah system you can use that shade we talked about shading out you know if you overcrowded your plants shading out is bad but ah in some cases you can use the shade from other plants for your cooler weather crops so like lettuce is a good example
00:44:22
Jessica
Mm-hmm.
00:44:25
Alexis
of something that you could grow in the shade in the summer.
00:44:31
Brett
That's, yeah, that's awesome. So I think, I think what I've decided, i added radishes to my list because you said they grow really fast and I could use an easy win early in the season. um I'm going to put my, try to put my snow peas out now, basically now.
00:44:46
Brett
ah ah Go ahead and seed those.
00:44:47
Plant People
It's time. You can do it.
00:44:49
Brett
I'm going to wait and put the beet seeds out on around March 15th. um would Would you recommend that I do cucumbers as transplants or direct seeded?
00:45:00
Plant People
I like to do mine if it's in native soil, direct seeded, but the ah you cucumbers are one of those things you can do either way. But if you do transplanting, you got to be really gentle.
00:45:07
Jessica
Mm-hmm.
00:45:10
Plant People
With them, if I'm going to grow cucumber transplants, get an early start on those, I actually use peat cups for those because then I can put the whole cup in the ground as a homeowner. wouldn't necessarily recommend that commercially, but that way you don't have to try to force them out of their little growing container and risk damaging or even breaking the stalk off of cucumbers. cook Cucumbers, I prefer direct seeded.
00:45:32
Plant People
That's just a personal choice, but you can grow them as transplants and and get an early start on those.
00:45:36
Jessica
Yeah. So I always, i always grow minus transplants.
00:45:39
Plant People
Do you?
00:45:39
Jessica
Right. But different kind of, kind of different, uh, just in a regular, uh, like cell cell tray.
00:45:40
Plant People
how do you grow those Jessica just gently
00:45:45
Jessica
Right. And, um, you get them up there where they have, you know, a couple of those first leaves, those leaves, tree leaves on there.
00:45:52
Alexis
True leaves.
00:45:53
Plant People
the yeah
00:45:54
Jessica
yeah.
00:45:54
Plant People
ah leave
00:45:56
Jessica
but you're right they're a little more fragile popping them out but they'll get a nice nice nice root ball uh on them but don't start them too early because that's the thing like you gotta you gotta to yeah yeah right so they're something you can wait till much later to and then have a bigger plant to get out there and sooner earlier production off of them
00:45:59
Plant People
you learn to be careful with those when you work with them yeah oh yeah
00:46:02
Brett
I think another I'm breaking character yeah they they're very yeah fast transplantized
00:46:08
Plant People
They're warm season. like They still need to go out at that May date. So, yeah.
00:46:14
Plant People
Yeah.
00:46:19
Plant People
Yeah.
00:46:19
Brett
There's also some people who are super into planting tomatoes really deep so that like those hairs and, you know, other kind of ah ah structures can turn.
00:46:28
Alexis
Adventitious roots.
00:46:29
Brett
Yeah. The advantageous structure. I wasn't going to go go terminology here, but it is.
00:46:32
Alexis
it's a It's fun. It's a fun thing to know.
00:46:34
Plant People
He's a new Gardner, Alexis.
00:46:36
Brett
I mean, I mean, what did you say?
00:46:36
Plant People
Don't confuse him.
00:46:38
Brett
X-mantitious fit?
00:46:38
Alexis
Well, because it's like, okay, these roots are adventurous.
00:46:39
Brett
Yeah.
00:46:42
Alexis
They're going where no root has gone before, right?
00:46:45
Brett
um When they have an advantage, they will take it.
00:46:45
Alexis
And they're going up the they're going up the plant. So they're they're adventitious. I just think of them as adventurous.
00:46:51
Brett
Yeah.
00:46:53
Jessica
Yeah.
00:46:55
Brett
ah Okay. um Well, with cucumbers, that's not the case. Do not bury the stalk. It will rot and you they will die.
00:47:01
Jessica
Right.
00:47:04
Brett
um At least that's what I heard right on Reddit as I was doing this basic gardening research earlier.
00:47:08
Plant People
The place of all knowledge. Yes, absolutely.
00:47:10
Brett
Yeah. um Cool. So going to do cucumbers direct seed. going to try that this year. ah Tomatoes, I'm going to do as transplants, but I'm going to buy my transplants.
00:47:19
Plant People
Sounds good.
00:47:19
Brett
And then lettuce, we said I was going to direct seed.
00:47:22
Plant People
Yep. It's a, it's an easy win.
00:47:23
Brett
And I'm going maybe do it that as a tape, as a tape, ah seed tape.
00:47:24
Plant People
We're looking for those easy wins.
00:47:29
Brett
Is that what you called it?
00:47:31
Jessica
Yeah. The sea tape.
00:47:33
Brett
Anything else that I'm missing as far as my first foray into gardening? I know that there's, ah i did a lot of research and some work on soil prep and fertile fertility and soil testing and all of that ahead of time. And if if you're out there and you haven't done those things, you might think about going ahead and, should I go ahead and get a soil test if I didn't get one?
00:47:55
Plant People
If you haven't had one, it's it's time to get one.
00:47:55
Jessica
yeah Yeah, it doesn't hurt. Yeah.
00:47:57
Brett
Okay. I just didn't know how long it would be or if it would be able to.
00:48:00
Plant People
it Normally we allow pretty good lead time for that. If you wait until, let's say, April in Kentucky, what that means is if you're working through the extent your local extension office, ah you're going to have a pretty good lead time, sometimes upwards three to four weeks.
00:48:13
Plant People
It's not that we're dragging our feet. It's just we have very busy labs, and lot of they serve a lot of people, and they get really busy ah during the springtime of the year, especially.
00:48:15
Brett
There's a lot of people.
00:48:17
Jessica
a lot of people, yeah.
00:48:23
Brett
But if I didn't get one, I should go go ahead and get one, and even if it is late, or maybe I can't be optimal.
00:48:23
Plant People
so Go ahead and do it now.
00:48:26
Jessica
Yeah.
00:48:26
Plant People
Yeah, ahead and do it. Absolutely.
00:48:28
Brett
That way next year or in the fall, I'll be ready.
00:48:29
Plant People
Yeah. The information's always good to have that. And for home gardeners, we say, i don't know, what are you to say every three years or so? For a home gardener is a pretty good re interval to retake your soil test, especially if you're modifying soil pH.
00:48:44
Jessica
Yeah.
00:48:44
Alexis
If it's a raised bed, I usually say more often just because those nutrients leach and change so rapidly. But but if yeah if it's in grounds, I prefer every other year.
00:48:50
Plant People
The profile is going to change in a raised bed every three to four weeks. Yeah.
00:48:57
Alexis
um But every three years you'll probably be fine if you've not had any you know crazy issues.
00:48:58
Jessica
Every year.
00:49:02
Plant People
And when...
00:49:02
Brett
and that's as as a horticulturist and soil head that's sort of your like i would you know every two years yeah
00:49:03
Plant People
Yeah.
00:49:07
Alexis
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:08
Plant People
Yeah. And make sure as you are working with your local extension office, if you have a raised bed that has like, you know, peat based or potting soil in there, let them know that because it's a completely different type of test that they're going to do on that. It's not the same process as ah native soil.
00:49:24
Plant People
So it's more of a greenhouse kind of test.
00:49:28
Jessica
Yeah.
00:49:29
Plant People
Soiless medium, I guess. Soiless media.
Practical Gardening Advice
00:49:32
Jessica
Two things i thought of that I always talk to people about when they first call and they're like, oh, hey, I'm going to start a new garden, which it seems like you've kind of already done your research on. Well, make sure that you're close to a water source, which I assume you are, because that is very important because nobody wants to haul buckets of water in 90 degree weather.
00:49:49
Jessica
When they're like, I'm going to put my garden like far away from my house, right? Because it's most likely going to fail, not to be downer about it, but watering, pest, all of that.
00:49:58
Plant People
No.
00:49:59
Jessica
But the other thing, and you've done your research about, is grow stuff that you actually like or like are going to eat, right? So i am not going to grow beets because I am not going to eat them, right?
00:50:09
Plant People
I'm going to do beads.
00:50:11
Jessica
So...
00:50:12
Brett
yeah You can buy the juice for cheaper than growing it. So why would you?
00:50:14
Jessica
Right.
00:50:14
Brett
Yeah.
00:50:14
Jessica
So why grow, like, even if some of these things look look really pretty and cool and, you know, just think about before you get started and overwhelmed with everything of like, what will my family actually eat? What will I actually use? You know, and then maybe, you know, the following year, try something that you've never experienced.
00:50:34
Jessica
you know, had before and see, maybe I will like this, but not, you know, do it. My other example i always give is you know, ghost pepper seeds, ghost pepper plants, like, like one plant will give you like over a hundred ghost peppers.
00:50:50
Jessica
So maybe don't, don't, maybe don't plant 25 of those plants or more speaking from experience.
00:50:50
Plant People
That's plenty of ghost peppers.
00:50:52
Brett
That's enough to haunt you.
00:50:53
Plant People
Yes. Very nice, Brett. Very nice.
00:50:56
Alexis
Yeah, and you don't need 15 tomato plants if you're not going to can tomatoes.
00:51:01
Plant People
There's only two people that's going to be eating in those fresh.
00:51:02
Alexis
Yeah.
00:51:03
Jessica
Right.
00:51:04
Plant People
Yeah.
00:51:04
Alexis
yeah
00:51:04
Brett
Well, one, some upper um experienced person I was talking to recommended to me to, to pick like five to eight things and just try those and not, cause I had, I had originally, I had a list of like 25 things that I wanted to grow.
00:51:18
Brett
And they all had different requirements and everything. And so I narrowed it down to a few just to see if I can grow those. And then I think I'm going to plan to expand from there. Does that sound reasonable?
00:51:26
Jessica
Yeah.
00:51:28
Plant People
start simple. It's what is a kiss method kind of as you're starting out, keep it simple.
00:51:29
Jessica
Yep, sounds good. but
00:51:33
Plant People
Yeah.
00:51:34
Brett
Keep it simple. What, Ray?
00:51:36
Plant People
Keep it simple, silly.
00:51:37
Brett
Oh, how did you, how could you tell I was silly?
00:51:38
Plant People
So, yeah.
00:51:38
Alexis
Short stack.
00:51:40
Plant People
Yeah. You know that, but that is, that is a trick is ah and when I'm planning a garden in the the winter and I have cabin fever, I'm ready to go as a new gardener. Um, And then when it gets to 104 degrees in July, my enthusiasm level is that I'm a different person in July than I was in March and April.
00:51:58
Alexis
yeah
00:51:58
Plant People
pro So I'm a different person, okay? I'm a different person. ah Having worked with a lot of community gardens, I see that you know that that is a learning curve. you know If you're truly a new gardener,
00:52:09
Plant People
Take into account the seasons, take into account your ability and your zone, and just be realistic as far as starting out. If in doubt, start a little smaller. ah We tend to overestimate our ability to manage things like water and weeds and things and all the factors and care that go into a garden, especially if you have a shiny new, let's say, garden tiller that you just want to use.
00:52:23
Jessica
Mm-hmm.
00:52:32
Plant People
And you go out there and plant your 10,000 square foot garden, and then you realize, what have I done?
00:52:32
Alexis
I'm
00:52:38
Plant People
I don't want you to go through that regret.
00:52:39
Alexis
i'm
00:52:40
Plant People
Yeah.
00:52:41
Alexis
I'm going to post on the Instagram. I have i found a um found it. It's from a couple years ago, but I did a just like an infographic on, I called it containers for the couple.
00:52:53
Alexis
So if you just wanted to grow in containers, you could this would translate to in-ground as well. But for bush beans, peppers, lettuce, tomato, and zucchini, all of those can be grown in containers. So I tell you how many for what size container and how many of those plants per person.
00:53:08
Jessica
you
00:53:12
Alexis
And so, you know, an example is like, you if you if you are the type of people who like to eat vegetables specifically, um then you would maybe want one tomato purple one tomato plant per person, but you only need one zucchini plant um for both people most of the time.
00:53:30
Plant People
Yeah.
00:53:31
Alexis
But i I'll post that on there just in case anybody
00:53:33
Brett
One zucchini plant per city block.
00:53:35
Alexis
Per city block.
00:53:35
Plant People
Yeah.
00:53:36
Alexis
Yeah.
00:53:36
Plant People
Your neighbors for your neighbors, your neighborhood, whatever.
00:53:36
Alexis
Yeah. ah
00:53:39
Brett
Now, Alexis, i want to I want to find that content, but you said, where was i gonna or am I going to find it?
00:53:45
Alexis
You're going to find that on our Instagram at hort culture podcast.
00:53:46
Jessica
Thank you.
00:53:48
Brett
Instagram. Okay, just followed you.
00:53:53
Plant People
Yeah.
00:53:54
Alexis
Yeah. So you, well, I'll, I'll post on there. I need to rework it a little bit, but yeah.
00:53:59
Brett
Cool. Well, I hope this episode was kind of like a fun, different, different way of doing this.
00:53:59
Alexis
Yeah.
00:54:02
Plant People
man
00:54:03
Brett
And, you know, if we hated it, that's fine. If we loved it, always leave them wanting more.
00:54:08
Plant People
I like the topic because every year thing that keeps me interested in gardening and growing things is no two seasons are the same. You will have failures. No matter how much, you know, you will have failures because you will never control all the factors that grow that goes into growing a living thing.
00:54:25
Plant People
You just can't control that. And I guess that keeps me interested. Personally, it's the challenge of having a good year and what goes into that. So.
00:54:33
Brett
and I know that we played up the the bit of it, but the reality is you could go and have a conversation like this with your extension agent, talk to them about this kind of stuff. And um hopefully.
00:54:44
Alexis
Get a free ID 128 if you're the type of person who likes it like physically in your hands. I'm not judging you.
00:54:50
Brett
Yeah.
00:54:50
Alexis
I'm one of them.
00:54:50
Jessica
it's ah It's a nice book, actually, not just a print off.
00:54:53
Alexis
Yep.
00:54:53
Brett
We'll still sign those for people. that, or is that just me?
00:54:55
Alexis
yeah
00:54:55
Plant People
Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:57
Brett
Okay, cool.
00:54:57
Alexis
um
00:54:57
Plant People
I do it in big floor riding too. Very, very dominant.
00:54:59
Brett
Guy catcher. I feel less special now, but that's good that everybody else gets to.
00:55:00
Plant People
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I tell you, that's okay.
00:55:04
Alexis
But yes, you if you're in Kentucky, you can go to your county extension office because you have one.
00:55:04
Plant People
We'll talk later.
00:55:11
Alexis
they
00:55:11
Brett
All 120 counties.
00:55:11
Alexis
All 120 of you do.
00:55:13
Jessica
Yeah.
00:55:15
Alexis
and you can go get that. Or again, you can find that online if you're the type person who likes to be able to look at it on your phone, wherever you're at, and ask them questions. So um ID 128 will put a link down in that in the show notes about that one.
00:55:30
Jessica
you
00:55:31
Alexis
And we already talked about what you can find us on Instagram. You can leave us if you liked, if you liked our bit, if you liked, you like Brett's, Brett's bit, um you know, let us know and leave us a review.
00:55:43
Plant People
let us
00:55:44
Alexis
Give us some stars helps people find us. I know it feels weird. It always feels weird to me um asking you all to do that because you know, I feel like a little bit of a, you know, used, you know, car salesman or something, but
00:55:57
Brett
It's the least they could do for us, frankly, Alexis.
00:56:01
Plant People
On it, Brett.
00:56:01
Brett
We just carried a bit for 53 minutes.
00:56:04
Plant People
He just stayed in character for 53 minutes.
00:56:07
Alexis
Killing it, killing it. But yes, please so leave us a review. it helps other people find us.
00:56:11
Jessica
you
00:56:11
Alexis
And we've had some really great feedback from you guys. We really appreciate that. You can also find our email down there in the show notes. If you all have questions, ah want to find something specifically, just want to tell us we're great.
00:56:23
Alexis
All of those are welcome. If you don't want to tell us we're great. ah We'll give you a different email address to contact um and we'll go from there. But we appreciate you guys joining us today. and we hope you'll join us next time.
00:56:36
Alexis
Have a great one.