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Episode 6 - 2023's Most Anticipated Films Pt. 2
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🏜️ Let's ride the sandworms to a cinematic future! 🚀 Episode 6 of #TheStudyPipe is your wormhole to the most anticipated movies of 2023, Part 2. 🎥 Will Denis Villeneuve's #Dune2 eclipse the horizon or get lost in the desert storm? 🌪️ Join us for a spice-fueled journey into the heart of #Arrakis and beyond. 🌌
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Kickoff & 2023 Film Discussions
00:00:04
Speaker
What's up, guys? Welcome to the study pipe. I'm Zach. And I'm Andrew. Welcome to the metaphorical study pipe, where we're going to have some interesting discussions about some future films and some great topics and stimulating conversation. This is part two to the upcoming film list for 2023. I think we're about, what, halfway through the year almost. So part two is timely.
00:00:33
Speaker
We finished last episode, what was that, episode two, three, covering quite a few films, but ending on Oppenheimer, right? Yep, that's where we left off.
Episode Delay Apology & Prediction Game
00:00:48
Speaker
Sorry for the delay for part two, but we wanted to give you some time to think about it between episodes. Yeah, build up anticipation. Get excited.
00:00:59
Speaker
Also, I get a sense of I think how accurate we've been with some of these films. We have been. We've been taking a tally. As we go along throughout the year, we'll update you on where we're standing currently with the points. Who's in the lead? Without looking at any results, I'm going to say I'm in the lead. Yeah, I think that's right.
00:01:23
Speaker
I think that's right, but only because I think that I was willing to take risks. I've made bold predictions. I want me to watch the Scorpion King trilogy. It's either Scorpion King trilogy, as our friend Jordan wants, or... Shout out Jordan for the worst possible suggestion for the shittiest trilogy.
00:01:47
Speaker
Worst is in being like the best because it is literally the worst trilogy probably that you could come up with. Although I'm also considering my sister's list. She had a trilogy of Hallmark movies that she put forward.
00:02:03
Speaker
You know, I'd rather watch Hallmark movies than Randy Couture run around as the Scorpion King, whatever. I'm going to keep that in mind. And I hope that if I end up losing, you make it just as miserable for me. Oh, we're doing horror movies. It's trilogy. No. That's what we're doing.
00:02:26
Speaker
Uh, what was that? What was that clown movie that just came out? That was like, well, the, the. Terrifier. Cause you have or yeah. Terrifier. I think so. Shout out to my brother angel. He actually suggested making you watch Terrifier the first and then the second because of how gory that would actually be a pretty
Horror Films & Movie Lineup Transition
00:02:45
Speaker
good one. All right. So if you don't know, I love movies. I even love horror movies. I'm going to say it.
00:02:52
Speaker
But I have to watch them through my fingers. I have my hands over my face. Big time. I can't do the gore. What was that movie we just watched over in Tempe at the Majestic, the one that had to walk out halfway through? Oh, god. What was that? The Devil's Rejects. Oh, yeah, yeah. We went to, so shout out Majestic Tempe in Tempe, Arizona.
00:03:19
Speaker
curated programming, unique programming. They have a Tuesday night weekly horror showing where they show cult classic, new horror films, all kinds of stuff. They call it the Cinematary. When I lived in Tempe, I was an avid loyal patron. I would go damn near weekly. So shout out Majestic Tempe. Danny and Aaron are the folks who do that. They're awesome.
00:03:50
Speaker
Totally cool. But yeah, we were at a cinematary showing there. They were showing the Devil's Rejects. And I think it was during probably the hostage scene and not getting into any of the graphic stuff. But I think that's when you were like, I need to take a step away. And then I don't think you came back. I think you watched the rest of the movies. I think I hung out in the bar.
00:04:20
Speaker
Yeah, so yeah, a pretty intense horror trilogy would be good, but I don't know. I got to think about it. I have a funny feeling I'm going to lose, though, and I'm going to have to watch the Scorpion King trilogy or something else. Yeah, maybe we could, when a time comes, we can do an interesting double or nothing bet. Yeah. Yeah, let's put that in the back pocket. So, okay, on the subject of horror, kind of,
00:04:46
Speaker
the first movie here on our list for upcoming most quote unquote anticipated. I don't know that these are necessarily most anticipated by us, but they're kind of the big ones on the radar, right?
Haunted Mansion & Ninja Turtles Debate
00:05:01
Speaker
Yeah. Haunted Mansion. Ooh. You know, I'm excited for this. And I'm going to come out and say that the original Haunted Mansion with Eddie Murphy, I actually liked that movie.
00:05:12
Speaker
wack, wiggity wack. I disagree. Terrible movie. Eddie Murphy should be ashamed. No. Yeah, the first one I did not like. This one I'm actually
00:05:29
Speaker
Kind of cautious. I think I will dig it. I do. I like Jamie Lee Curtis. In the new trilogy of Halloween movies came back, she took her cut, made quite a bit off gross box office revenue based on my understanding. I want to see her do her thing. She's fresh off the Oscar too. She had a long storied career.
00:05:57
Speaker
just got her Oscar and what is it? Everything everywhere? Yeah, everything everywhere at once. She took home the best supporting actress, Oscar. Well deserved. I think there's a lot of people that saw that movie that had no idea that it was Jimmy Lee Curtis for at least a minute while they're watching that movie. Yeah, I'd agree with that. She killed it. She did a great job and she's in this. She's in this with
00:06:25
Speaker
the national treasure, not Nicolas Cage, damn you, but Danny DeVito, who I love, is going to be in this with Owen Wilson. Owen Wilson, I like him. I don't know that I really love him or anything like that, so I'm curious to see how he can carry this film. But
00:06:48
Speaker
the premise here. So it's going to follow a single mom, her son, who hire a team of experts to exercise the newly bought mansion that is haunted by ghosts. So I don't know, pretty basic premise in line with the title. You know, it's, uh, you know, obviously it's, uh, it's based off of the, the famous Disney ride that for most people have been on, they know and love.
00:07:16
Speaker
If you watch the trailer, you can see specific parts of the ride they're just taken directly and put into the film. Even some of the seating, like the seat that you sit on in the Hana Mansion, it looks like that seat is just roaring through the trailer, like out of the mansion. Yeah. I think so. Critics are not going to be kind to this film. I just have a feeling because, you know, it's the live action remake, well, not remakes, but live action, like,
00:07:47
Speaker
establishment of movie universes based on rides haven't done historically well. Jungle Cruise, sorry, anyone who's listening that really loved that. I thought it was
00:08:00
Speaker
bogus. Pirates of Caribbean obviously is awesome and that's what has given them the courage to make these you know live-action films based on the rides but I think critics aren't gonna like it. I do think audiences will and I think that I will like it. Yeah you know I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna say that
00:08:23
Speaker
This is going to be fresh. Just to bring up, Jumbo Cruise actually had a 62% on Rotten Tomatoes. It just got across the finish line right there. I'm trying to think. We got Jumbo Cruise, the original Haunted Mansion movie. I'm not sure. There was a 1969 Haunted Mansion film. Was that part of the
00:08:46
Speaker
Was there? I have no idea. I haven't seen that one. I might just have the same name. I haven't seen it either, so I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the Disney ride. Probably doesn't. I mean, Haunted Mansion has a name. You can go many directions, you know. But then, you know, the Pirates of the Caribbean, the first one was great. I liked the second one, too. You know, the first one obviously was very, very positive, positively reviewed.
00:09:08
Speaker
The Jungle Cruise got it at 62%. I can't imagine this would be worse than Jungle Cruise. Just looking at the cast, you got old Wilson, Danny DeVito, Rosario Dawson, Jamie Lee Curtis, one of the original Scream Queens. I think this will at least get into the 60% range. I want to say fresh. I want to say audience fresh. I think I'm going to like this one too.
Gran Turismo & Neil Blomkamp's Vision
00:09:31
Speaker
This is my type of horror movie in Disney Horror.
00:09:34
Speaker
Fair enough. Okay, so I think we only disagree on how critics are going to receive it. So we shall see. Once again, maybe my prediction is a little more bold. We'll see.
00:09:48
Speaker
OK, coming up next on the list, Ninja Turtles, which people listening, you've probably already seen a trailer or two for this, right, with the crazy animation style. We got Seth Rogen, Evan Goldberg producing, you know, they're the dynamic comedy duo. So I think there's some good creative juices behind this. I think the cast for the Turtles, though, are all relatively
00:10:19
Speaker
New or like up and comers or am I wrong or do we have a couple heavy hitters in there? No, I think they are new. I'm looking here and I mean I guess Jacob Treble, right? He's kind of a – he's not new. He's definitely been one of the more like renowned child stars. Yeah, we're saying he's been 14 for 30 years. Yeah, he's fallen that Dakota fanning career path.
00:10:48
Speaker
Obviously he's going to be just 28 and like full grown adult. Wait, wait, wait. So he was in for Little Mermaid, right? He was. He was flounder. And Aquafina was two. Yes. Is she involved in this Ninja Turtles movie or? It looks like she is. Who's she playing? Let's see. So she is going to be. I know we got Jackie Chan as master splinter, right? Yeah, actually.
00:11:18
Speaker
I know we have it down here in the list, but I'm not seeing it on her IMDb page. I see a fandom article saying that she's going to play Shredder's adoptive daughter in second in command.
00:11:31
Speaker
So that could be interesting. Could be interesting. Nick Kroll is going to be in this though as well. So a lot of like comedy kind of heavyweights involved, which gives me hope that it'll be, you know. Yeah, you got a John Mulaney. May Rudolf is always great.
00:11:52
Speaker
or Maya Rudolph, I think. And yeah, you know, when we get to my ratings, I think this is going to be my most courageous of votes for the rest of the year. This is your bold prediction. This is my bold prediction. So I'm saying audience is going to like it.
00:12:09
Speaker
Critics are gonna like it. I'm gonna like it. I grew up with you know the crazy 80s 90s live-action Ninja Turtle movies. I loved them. I had the action figures video games all that so I'm excited to Come back to the world of the Ninja Turtles. I hope it does well But yeah, I think people are gonna like it across the board I think as the ingredients to make that happen, but you
00:12:39
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's going to be rotten across the board. I think it's going to have tomatoes rotten. I think it's going to have a fan rotten. And I don't think I'm going to like it. And this is me being my most cynical. Yeah, being a cynic. I grew up loving the Ninja Turtles and the original movies. And as I've gotten older, I've just
00:13:09
Speaker
been bashed over the head with bad Ninja Turtles content for many, many years. So it's hard for me to imagine them riding the ship after this point, at this point. And I wish I'm wrong on this. I hope I'm wrong, but yep, I'm locking it in. Rotten across the board. Lock it in. Check the gate. We're good. I'm going to be watching three horror movies this year. I don't know. I don't have faith in myself.
00:13:39
Speaker
So I think going to the next one, Gran Turismo. Now I had some initial ratings here, but after seeing the trailer and kind of understanding the premise behind all of it, I think my feelings have changed. Yeah, I mean, I thought, so initially I thought I'd like the movie. I thought critics and audience would not like it, but that was before I'd seen
00:14:07
Speaker
I think the most recent trailer, maybe even both. But the premise, you want to give them the premise? Yeah, the premise is about, it's based on a true story about this teenager that is a great simulated race car driver. And in real life, there was a competition where if you did simulated driving really well, you got a chance to actually race real cars, real formula one cars.
00:14:38
Speaker
And this, uh, the kid ends up winning this competition and becoming a driver, like a real professional race car driver. And that's such a bad ass premise. And it actually is shot. Like, I don't know. I mean, in the most recent trailer, I thought they did a really good job of like explaining that this kid, you know, was really passionate, was in the simulators.
00:15:06
Speaker
and then signed up for the competition and is jumping in. And, you know, who is it? Orlando Bloom's character, I think, is like really betting on him and like trying to, I don't know, support him and see him do this. I could be mistaken or misremembering the trailer, but it seemed that Orlando Bloom's character was like fully behind this crazy ass idea of having some video game kid expert simulator driver come and jump in.
00:15:36
Speaker
and get down and dirty with the pros. And it just, that's what I remember too. And then you have David Harbor, who's the one that's supposed to trade them. Yeah. And I think he's kind of hesitant, right? I mean, he's kind of like what the veteran who's this goddamn kid doesn't know what he's getting into. How could he understand, but he's going to learn to love him because he's passionate. That's right. That's right. I love that type of story. Yeah. So I, you know,
00:16:04
Speaker
Video game adaptations historically have been bad. The Last of Us has kind of bucked the trend recently, which people have not watched the show. Go watch it. Awesome.
00:16:18
Speaker
If you haven't played the games, play the games. You had Sonic that broke the whole curse with the first fresh movie on Rotten Tomatoes that was based on a video game, right? That's true. Sonic came in and I think. Yeah, the Pokemon, depending on whether or not you want to contribute with the original game or the anime show, was another one that
00:16:45
Speaker
has been discussed as part of breaking that trend as well. The detective Pikachu. Yeah, that's right. I enjoyed that. Yeah, I like that one too. That Pokemon was a wild take. I guess I'm hard pressed to say that this is a video game adaptation. It has a name, but it's a biographical story more.
00:17:10
Speaker
Yeah, it's kind of a biopic on this guy. And yeah, I mean, I guess it just depends on how the marketing is done and whether people, you know, the average uninitiated audience member, you know, movie goers sitting there and they think, oh, I'm going to go watch a video game movie.
00:17:29
Speaker
Or I'm going to go watch a movie that looks compelling and badass. Super Mario Brothers, how could we forget? Yeah, that was rotten. It was rotten? Yeah, pretty sure. I think it killed at the box office though. Yeah, it's sitting at 59%. Oh yeah, it made well over a billion
Film Predictions & Blue Beetle Skepticism
00:17:46
Speaker
dollars. It's right there on the cusp of freshness.
00:17:52
Speaker
Yeah, so okay. I think people will dig it. I think critics will be into it. Audiences will be into it, and I think I'll like it. Yeah, I'm right there with you. I think that this is going to be a fresh movie where Neil Blomkamp directed this. He had kind of a dry spell with the critics.
00:18:20
Speaker
I know you like chappy, but that was what? 30% of Rotten Tomatoes. I did like chappy. Yeah. It's word before they went kind of even more crazy. We probably should have seen that they're going down that path. Yeah, it makes sense. South Africa. Represent. I thought that movie was charming. It was flawed, but if it was on like TNT,
00:18:46
Speaker
and I still had TNT. I might finish it. You're still paying $400 a month for cable. Yeah, maybe that's where all my money's going. I'd even noticed that Neil had the demonic that came out in 2021 where he did a low budget horror movie. Oh, I didn't know that either. And I think it got buried. I made $68,000 at the box office. Ooh, yikes. 32% tomato meter, 19% audience score. Great yikes.
00:19:16
Speaker
Yeah. When you look at audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes, as much as me and Zach have, you'll notice that anytime that we vote that something's going to be rotten on audience score, that's us taking a huge gamble because you could have the worst movie sell like an 80% audience score. Yeah, that's true. So this is Neil Blomkamp getting his first big budget movie.
00:19:47
Speaker
probably eight years, but he's, you know, he's utilizing the new tech that, uh, Michael Bay was using for ambulance, you know, having a lot of drone footage shots and it's still really fresh for the audience. I think this is going to be a technological Marvel. So I'm going with you man, fresh across the board, fresh, raw tomatoes, fresh audience. And I'm going to like it. I respect that. And on the topic of ambulance, um,
00:20:13
Speaker
You know, I liked the way that movie was shot. I liked that the backdrop of the film was LA. Now that I'm a SoCal resident, it's close to home. I don't know that the story was as compelling or as realistic or
00:20:33
Speaker
I don't know that it satisfied me as much as I'd hoped, but it was shot really well. I did not know that that is cool, that that kind of technology, scene direction, all that kind of stuff is going to roll into Gran Turismo. That gives me a little bit more hope. I may have to rewatch that going into this. Yeah, we should definitely do that. We should do an episode on ambulance. Yeah. The coolest fact I have about it is that he actually went
00:21:02
Speaker
I forget the kid's name, but he hired a world-class drone pilot, a guy that wants all the competitions to fly the video drone. Oh, that's super bad-ass. I wonder how that guy felt. Yeah, he's like 20 or something, I think, if I remember correctly. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Watch Michael Bay calling you. Yeah. Hey, man. You want to come and help me film a movie? Wow. That's the type of call I'd like to get. Yeah. You're so good at flying drones that we're going to
00:21:32
Speaker
We're going to let you have this $100 million moving your hands. Wow, that's pretty cool. All right, Gran Turismo. I think we're both optimistic, it sounds like. I don't know about this next one, though. I think we're going to do a complete 180, flop to the other side. Blue Beetle.
00:21:52
Speaker
upcoming superhero film based on, I guess, I'm not a huge I'm a comic book fan, but I'm not an expert. I don't think not as I think you out of the two of us are the expert when it comes to comics. But I guess this Blue Beetle is based on a DC Comics character of the same name. And I think we've got the Latinos represented in this, which I think is a little bit new.
00:22:21
Speaker
Um, a little bit fresh, you know, uh, it looked like it was what Miami or Florida. It looks like a Miami shot, didn't it? In the trailer. Yeah. Yeah, it did. Uh, but I guess this teenager finds this alien beetle and, um, it turns him into like a beetle iron man. That's blue. That's what it's a, it's a sentient scarab that
00:22:52
Speaker
gives you like an exo armor. It's not one of the most famous DC superhero characters. They're definitely taking a chance putting this to screen. I would say nine out of 10 people in the street haven't heard of this character before. I never. Yeah. I'm only familiar with this character in a tertiary sense where
00:23:20
Speaker
I've, you know, I'll be watching videos on DC comics or, and maybe the blue beetle was doing a crossover comic with someone. So I, I wouldn't say I've read any direct blue beetle stories, but I'm familiar with the character just by some of the crossovers. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just watched the trailer going into it, not knowing really anything about the character.
00:23:46
Speaker
I like that it is Latino family. There's some diversity thrown in there a little bit. I think there's some good humor. George Lopez is involved. I think he's maybe the dad. Looks like he's a funny guy. Hopefully there's some good family humor that's in there. But overall, man, I just got a feeling. I mean, DC doesn't have the best track record either.
00:24:14
Speaker
No. I think we're going to both be wrong on this actually after doing some research today. Why is that? This is directed by Angel Manuel Soto. He actually did a movie. I didn't know that he was the same person directing this, but he did a movie called Charm City Kings, which is this coming of age story that takes place in Baltimore.
00:24:40
Speaker
This guy just had his finger in the pulse for kind of like inner city dynamics and comedy and humor. And if this guy, I feel like, you know, in the trailer, they highlighted a lot of the action and more of like the comic book-y type of shots. But I think that this guy's strong suit is not in what we're seeing in the trailer. And that might, there might be a lot more
00:25:08
Speaker
life to this movie that we're giving it a credit for. The trailer was trash. I'm going to come out and say it. I did not like the trailer. I'm pretty sure you didn't either watch it. What is this? No, I don't like the trailer. There are nuggets of excitement or fresh things about it that
00:25:27
Speaker
you know, I'll say this, if it is fresh, if people love it, and it just is super awesome, I won't be surprised. I just my gut reaction and maybe I'm, you know, like suffering from PTSD from all these DC. I don't think critics are gonna like it. I don't think audiences are gonna like it. And I don't think I'm gonna like it. Yeah, no, I that's, that's my gut reaction. Just watching it, like,
00:25:56
Speaker
It has all the hallmarks of just a bad, high budget movie. Like something that's very forgettable, like just from the trailer. Yeah. So it's really hard until we see more content or some scenes where we actually get to see some of the vision coming out.
Sony's Craven & Tom Hardy's Star Power
00:26:12
Speaker
But the way this is being marketed, it's not very promising. So what's your call? I'm going to stick with what I originally said before, you know,
00:26:23
Speaker
You know what? I'm going to change it up actually. I'm going to take a chance on this because it looks really bad. But I'm going to say fresh. I'm going to change it up to fresh across the board. I originally had rotten for all three like you, but you're right. I haven't been taking many chances. This is where I'm taking a chance on this Ninja Turtles. I think it's going to pay off for you, you bastard. You know, they gave them the new Transformers movie after this, after seeing the Blue Beetle.
00:26:52
Speaker
Oh, really? Yeah. Which one? It's on title still. I just saw the side of the deal for it. Well, okay. You got insider information. You're an inside trader on this, man, making some smooth... You're Nancy Pelosi of anticipated movies. Don't really say that you think you're going to be wrong.
00:27:17
Speaker
All right, Blue Beetle, whatever, looks like ass. That's my final comment on the matter. Next up, we have, what is it, Craven? Craven the Hunter? Yep, Craven the Hunter. But this is, so it's spin-off film from Sony's, not Disney's Marvel, Sony's Spider-Man universe based on the villain.
00:27:43
Speaker
in the Spider-Man comics and stars Aaron Taylor Johnson, who I love, I adore. I think he's a badass and he got like super jacked for this. He looks like a beast. Yeah, man, I don't know. I mean, there's so many movies that Sony has done
00:28:07
Speaker
Or when they're in control, it kind of just falls apart. You know, venom. I like the first. The second was meh. Morbin time sucked.
00:28:23
Speaker
It's more than time. And I hope it's not more than time when it comes to this one. I think it's going to be fresh across the board. And I think I'm going to like it. But that's because I'm staking so much on Aaron Taylor-Johnson. I think you're going to be right on this. I'm going to stick with my original guest, but that was I didn't really consider who the director was, which is the director's JC Chander.
00:28:50
Speaker
And if you're not familiar with this guy – Who the fuck is that guy? You probably aren't familiar, but this guy back from like 2010 to 2015 was looked at as one of the top up-and-coming directors, like perennial Oscar favorite type of guy. So in a row, he did Marching Call, that great
00:29:12
Speaker
seven financial collapse film that had Kevin Spacey. He did All Is Lost, the Robert Redford one. Then he got nominated for an Oscar where he's lost at sea trying to guide his boat back in the shore through a storm. Then after that, he did a movie that made Oscar Isaac a star, which is the most violent year. Then for whatever reason, after 2014, he doesn't work again.
00:29:39
Speaker
Until 2019, where he definitely comes out with his worst film, which was Triple Frontier, which a lot of people still liked. It was definitely a divisive film. Yeah. I was split on that myself. Some people might say there are three great movies under his belt, just one divisive film. Now he's coming to Craven to Hunter. You're right. It's hard to bet on a fresh movie from Sony.
00:30:06
Speaker
Because even if you liked Venom, the movie got a 30% of Rotten Tomatoes. The critics did not like that film. Audiences loved it. The movie made a bunch of money. I liked the movie too. But I don't think outside of Into the Spider-Verse that SOTY has made a positive film yet on their own, right? I could see people making the argument for the first Venom.
00:30:31
Speaker
Because it did well at the box office. Yeah. Tom Hardy had good ingredients. But no, I think in general, people don't really have high hopes when Sony's leading a film, a comic book film in their universe. And I mean, maybe we're wrong. Maybe we're just speaking from our own opinion and kind of where we fall on it. But that's kind of the buzz I seem to pick up every time they drop a flick.
00:31:01
Speaker
Speaking of which, a little sidebar here. Would you consider Tom Hardy a, what's the right way to say it, like a true film star? I don't think he's the, I think he's a movie star for sure, at least in the way that I think of movie stars and like, hey, does this person
00:31:23
Speaker
regardless of the story they're in or the movie they're in, the premise, whatever, they have enough of the, quote unquote, it factor in them to bring me to put my ass in a seat in a theater. He has that for me. Now, is he your conventional DiCaprio Brad Pitt, any of these fools who are leading a franchise in the MCU?
00:31:49
Speaker
or anything like that. No, I think he's non-conventional. I think he's rough around the edges, but that's a part of his appeal. He's kind of, you know, the bad boy image, that kind of thing. Maybe more of a James Dean-esque kind of, you know, not cookie cutter, Cary Grant thrown up there, you know. That's kind of how I feel about him, and any movie he releases,
00:32:13
Speaker
Tom Hardy, that is, I usually go and check out because I think he's interesting to watch on screen. I think he brings an energy to each of his worlds. That's why I watch Venom, too, you know. And yeah, that's why I leave in the middle of the movie. I feel like, you know, you look at Tom Hardy and I also have a crush on him. Very handsome guy.
00:32:42
Speaker
Maybe I'm biased. No, that's what I'm thinking because it's hard to say because he does a lot of movies that for whatever reason, they don't get a wide box office for like a wide theatrical release. Like he did Capone and they just didn't release it anywhere. It was hard to find that movie in theaters. Yeah. But then you see Venom, which gets, and I'm bringing up Venom now because I'm going to compare it directly to Morbius.
00:33:08
Speaker
And we'll get back to the list of films for the year. I'm not going to get too off topic, but I'm looking at that movie that made so much money in the box office and then Morbius just gets panned in the same way that Venom did by the critics. It doesn't go anywhere. No one shows up. And is it because Venom is a character that everyone wanted to see? I'm not so sure. I think people want to see Tom Hardy play Venom.
00:33:31
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. I think you're on. I mean, I think people are interested in Venom, the character, but I think it more has to do with Tom Hardy assuming the role, playing that character.
00:33:46
Speaker
Like I said, he's a movie star and conventional maybe, but he's kind of a bad boy. I mean, the guy does Brazilian jiu-jitsu. He's about it. I think him being Venom intrigues people enough to have him show up.
00:34:06
Speaker
Morbius, God, no. There's nothing that Jared can do, I think, that at least for me gets me parked in the theater. I mean, I watched it, of course, so they got my money, but if they drop a sequel, well, I'm not watching it. Unless it's for the podcast, I'll take that one for the team. I saw it too. I'll see any big comic book movies coming out. He was bad.
00:34:32
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And as tired as I get of the comic book topic as well. But no joke. So with my buddy, we're the only ones in the theater opening night. Doesn't surprise me. And then Sony had the balls to try to do a re-release. Again, it was going to do something.
00:34:49
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God, I hope they fired whoever thought that was a good idea. Oh, man. All right. So, damn, I mean, I'm all hyped about craving the hunter and now this is all I'm having flashbacks. Oh, my gosh.
The Exorcist Sequel & Horror Impact
00:35:04
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But I will say the Tom Hardy it factor.
00:35:10
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That drives me to his movies. Aaron Taylor Johnson has not quite the same impact, but he has that for me. I mean, bullet train, he killed it. He was awesome. I loved him in kick-ass. Oh, the first kick-ass was so good. Oh, nocturnal animals, right? Oh, yeah. Tom Ford directed a picture. He killed it. He was crazy. Even his, uh, his bit part in, um, Ted it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:35:36
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He is a compelling actor. He gets me excited. I like to watch what he does on the screen. So he's bringing me to this movie. If he wasn't in it, I don't think I'd be hyped, honestly. Yeah. No, a hundred percent. He's one of those actors where, you know, he's going to transform himself for the role. Yeah. Which is interesting because he does that in the same way that Jared Leto does that. And, uh,
00:36:05
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He won't get me in the seats anymore. Not even close. Yeah. So I called it fresh, fresh, across the board. I'll like it. What did you say? So I'm going to go off of Soty's history. I wouldn't say this is going to be rotten, but I think people are going to love it. I think Aaron Taylor Johnson is going to really kill it in a role, and I think I'm going to like it too.
00:36:27
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Nice. All right. Next up is you can do the delivery on this one. Oh, I'll let you have this one. This is one of your most anticipated. The Exorcist. And it's a sequel to the actual 1973 classic horror film that started it all. All these other crazy Exorcist 2, Exorcist 3, the Pope's Exorcist, which my buddy Alfonso, who does my
00:36:56
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tattoos my horror sleeve showed it to me while i was getting my new tattoo recently and um i liked it honestly they they they went a different direction and russell crow is a italian priest i initially thought would be wiggity whack but he killed that but getting back on topic this is being developed by david gordon green who did
00:37:22
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The Halloween reboot trilogy, I think 2018 was Halloween. It was a direct sequel to the original. Brought back Jamie Lee Curtis. I thought it was excellent. Halloween Kills, I liked. Halloween Ends, I thought was terrible.
00:37:44
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But these guys are involved. And I thought Danny McBride was involved in this Exorcist remake, too. Could be mistaken. But, you know, they are doing a direct sequel to the original film. So all the other ones that were made, they're throwing out just like they did with Halloween. And in this one, the mother from the original film is back. And I guess
00:38:12
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In this, a father goes to get help. He seeks help from a priest and I assume, you know, the mother from the original exorcist to help him with his own issue. His daughter is possessed from a demon and, you know, it kind of kicks off from there. So it sounds like
00:38:35
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If they're following the same template formula for the Halloween reboot, you know, I think it's going to be good. I think I'm going to be excited and down. And man, if can you imagine, you know, what was cool about Halloween? The the reboot is they kind of went back to the original movie, but with modern technology,
00:39:06
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you know, sequences and shots and the cinematography of today and like elevated it to a very contemporary film based on a classic we all love. And that's why I liked Halloween as much as I did. If they can do that with The Exorcist, you know, made in 1973, and they bring that same level of intensity
00:39:31
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and modern cinematic
00:39:35
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into 2023. Oh, my gosh, man, it's going to I remember. So I was telling Alfonso, actually, I think it was Alfonso. Maybe I was telling someone else, but I said, you know, there's a movie I watched, you know, growing up that I wasn't supposed to watch that really impacted me and really messed me up.
00:39:56
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It was The Exorcist. I was told I wasn't allowed to watch the movie. Oh, it's so bad and all this stuff. And I watched, I think I was like nine or 10 years old, man. And a nine or 10 year old should not be watching someone do the thing she did with that crucifix. A child, a child. Yes, a child should not be watching it. And she was a child too. And it messed me up, man. It gave me nightmares.
00:40:24
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It stayed with me for a long time. I think that's that was the genesis of the conversation is like films you've seen that really stayed with you and really messed you up. And The Exorcist was that film for me. So if they can basically elevate it to current standards and really build on the story that came before in a very rich way, it'll probably be up there in my favorites of all time if if they do it right.
00:40:54
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Yeah, I could definitely see this be one of your favorites and you know, you know the director you got his feet wet with Halloween and Danny McBride is involved with this. He's one of the people that wrote the story and any powders and you saw a vice-principal mama Blanca what yeah vice president's awesome or vice principals and
00:41:17
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Oh, yeah, yeah. Vice Principal. Sorry. Awesome. hilarious. That's where they met, right? Because he directed all the episodes for that. Or at least he's won. Oh, did they? I thought they were friends before that, but... They could have been. I know that they work together on that show. And then two years later, they're doing Halloween. That show was balls to the wall crazy. I love that show. And Leslie Odom Jr., obviously, was great in Hamilton as Aaron Burr.
00:41:42
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Yeah, Erin Burr, sir. And Ellen Burr said that she's back. She was the original mom in The Exorcist, so they're continuing the cast. Is Anthony Ramos in this, too? Yes. There's that speculation, because what is that? That is two Hamilton stars being pulled into
00:42:05
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this remake, which kind of is interesting if that is true. Let's see. Let's see if we can confirm that real quick. I don't know. I think that's speculation. I don't see it listed on his up and coming films. Yeah, I'm not seeing it either. I'm looking at his Wikipedia page right now and his IMDb. Looks like he will be in Transformers Rise of the Beasts, which we already talked about, and the sequel for Twister, aptly named Twisters. Oh, God.
00:42:35
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Oh, good. That's for next year to talk about. That's 2024. Yeah. It looks like that's a speculation, but yeah, I agree with you. Um, so you're ready, right? You said, uh, you think this is going to be fresh. I don't know if I did. So let me go on the record. I think fresh, fresh, I'm going to love it. Everyone's going to love it. We're all going to throw a party, maybe a parade 10 out of 10.
00:43:04
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Five Puffs of Smoke out of five. Five Puffs of Smoke out of five. I can see a universe in the future where that could definitely happen. But then again- Go ahead, rain on my parade. It's okay. The last three Halloween films, I don't think any of those were fresh, were they?
00:43:26
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Well, I thought the original was fresh or the, not the original, the, the first in the reboot, was it not? I think, uh, it was 2018, right? Yeah. That was actually fresh. I was 79%. So I stand corrected. That was a, that was a fresh film. So yeah, there's stuff, the possibility, the exorcist has such a rich story and background.
Scorsese's Masterpiece & Dune Anticipation
00:43:49
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And especially if they think a lot of elements from, from the book.
00:43:54
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There's a lot to be done here. So much potential. And if you're bringing Ellen Burstyn back, they really sold her on it. Because this definitely seems something like out of scene that she would do. Yeah, I agree. I'm going to come in. I'm going to stick with my gut. I'm going to say this is going to be rotten for the critics. But I think it's going to be hit with the horror fans. I think it's going to be a fresh audience. And you know me when it comes to horror. I'm going to say I'm not going to like this. All right. Yeah, that's fair.
00:44:25
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That's about what I thought you'd call it. So that's fair. So going into the next film is another horror, Saw 10, which why do we need this film is my first reaction and question.
00:44:42
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Yeah, I don't know, man. We still have a ton of movies on this list. I'm not going to dive into Saw 10 too deep. I haven't been impressed for a while with the latest Saw entries. I like the franchise. I'll go and I'll see it. It's fun. It's Halloween candy to me.
00:45:07
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kind of distract yourself, enjoy the spirit of the October season. But I think it's going to be rotten across the board. And I don't, I think I'll walk away from it, not liking it. Yeah, I'm not going to get too deep into it. I'm going to watch it just because we're doing the list and you have to see if I like it or not. So I'm already dreading it. And, uh, I'm going to say this is going to be rotten, but I'm going to say fresh because, uh,
00:45:35
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I know as much as the critics hated Spiral, that I had a fresh audience score. But I think the director, Darren Lynn Boosman, I think he directed Saw 2, which is also a fan favorite. Yeah. So I'm going to say rotten for critics, fresh for audience, and no for me. All right, that's fair. I think the next one up on the list is hotly anticipated, one of the most anticipated, just premiered at Cannes.
00:46:02
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We had Scorsese, DiCaprio, De Niro, Jesse Plemons, all there, Reppin, it's Killers of the Flower Moon. I think this whole movie deserves its own episode of hype from us. And maybe we shouldn't get into it too much. Maybe we should save it for that because there's so much going on here.
00:46:30
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This is this true story of these murders in the Osage nation, right? In Oklahoma, there's a huge FBI investigation that kind of comes out of that. And, you know, the trailer looks awesome. It's Scorsese and DiCaprio and De Niro. I mean, I feel like that's all you need to know. That's all you need to know. Yeah, we definitely want to get to it.
00:47:01
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Exactly. Like you said, we have a lot of ideas for this movie, guys. Not to get too into it because I don't want to make any promises that we don't end up keeping. Yeah. Because we're so passionate about this film. Zach and I are the biggest Scorsese fans are going to meet. Zach's a bigger Scorsese fan than even I am. You've been hyped on Goodfellas since I met you back in high school. They were playing Goodfellas when I was born and I had to watch it every year on my birthday.
00:47:29
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movie though to watch on your birthday. Goodfellas came out 90 you know it was before I was born and they had it they had it you know my dad had a copy VHS and I grew up watching that damn film. Oh it's great that movie came out like three weeks before I was born too so just in time. All time classic. I mean it's the easiest bet you know.
00:47:54
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for the bed on Scorsese. And I know that this movie already premiered at a film festival, so we already know the Rotten Tomatoes and the directions going. Zach and I were talking about this weeks ago, especially after the first trailer debuted a few days before it was released officially for critics. So these predictions are already set in stone. So what are yours again?
00:48:18
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Fresh, I think everyone's going to love it. I mean, I hope it doesn't get the Irishman treatment where people are complaining about a long film and all this. Come on. Come on, grow up, damn it. That's what I say to them. You knew what you got into and you bought the damn ticket. Yeah, we'll binge eight hours of a Disney Plus show in one night, but we won't. Yeah, but you're crying about a three-hour epic about Jimmy Hoffa. Come on.
00:48:47
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Exactly. I'm super pumped about this movie too. I'm going to say fresh, fresh, and yes. Interesting side note, this last weekend, it was my buddy's birthday and he brought one of his good friends along who is actually, he's an FBI agent on Indian reservation actually. That's his assignment. We had a nice big long conversation about this movie and the history of it.
00:49:15
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just how excited those guys are for this movie to see the picture of the FBI back in its original formation. We may need to get that guy on here. Yeah. I was talking to him about it. He said he'd be interested. So I will keep in contact with him. I don't know. He's FBI. I don't know if I want to drop his name right now. Let's get his permission first. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it would be cool.
00:49:40
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if he had made a guest appearance and kind of talked through this. We got a couple of those lined up, actually. Yeah, we do. I'm actually most excited about those episodes to see what these guys have to say.
00:49:54
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Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I don't want to spoil anything, but we have some experts who are intimately involved in some of the subject matter of these upcoming films. So stay tuned. Okay. Moving on to the next one. Another big, epic, probably super hyped. It's Denis, his newest picture. Dune part two, baby.
00:50:23
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Wait, can we real quick just do a quick run through on this name real quick. Denny Villanue. We did this already. I know. I already forgot. I'll throw it OK. If you learned anything from last time, let's hear it. I walked you through it. Denny Villanue. Ah, close. I mean, once again, I know first name Denny is correct.
00:50:43
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Though I watched him get on Conan or someone and he gave a lesson on how to pronounce his name. So I say Denis Villeneuve. So maybe I'm wrong. Who knows? Denis, if you're listening, drop a comment, you know, hit me up.
00:51:05
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Give me props if I'm pronouncing it right. But yeah, Timothy Chalamet is coming back. We got a bunch of other hooligans who were in the first one, New Additions, Florence Pugh, Black Widow's sister, right? And MCU. Elvis Presley. Yeah. Horror.
00:51:28
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kind of icon in my books. She was in Midsomer, Ari Aster's film. She's done a lot of good stuff. I'm excited to see what she does with it. Yeah, man, dude, Dune Part 2. I mean, the first one looked amazing, was beautifully shot. So much work went into
00:51:52
Speaker
really just getting that film made and just every set piece. If any of you aren't familiar, go onto YouTube. You can look at the behind the scenes of Dune Part 1 and it's free. It's all up on there. And you know, it's just the scale of the sets they created for the film were fantastic. They were
00:52:15
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Amazing. You know, they built so many... What's the planet Arrakis? Is that how you say it? So they built like the actual home, the Atreides house, Atreides home on Arrakis.
00:52:32
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they built, I mean, most of what you see on the screen is physically there. They're walking through it. They had a custom rugs made, you know, that call back to like the ancient traditions of the house and the planet. And it just so much attention to detail. Oh, really adds up, man. Yeah. And I think for the most part, everyone loved doing and but what I love most about it is how many seeds they planted.
00:53:03
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without getting into exposition for just the world building of the Dune universe. Introducing the Mentats, which are the people computers. They calculate because I'm not sure how familiar you are with the backstory of Dune, Zach. Are you familiar with the Butlerian Jihad? No, I don't think so. In the Dune universe, a long time in the past, humans had
00:53:32
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conscious computers and AI and things got out of hand and there was a revolt against these thinking computers and basically all of humanity decided we're not going to do computers anymore. So all this technology is going to have to be without any type of like conscious computing and so that's why they have people that are basically just trained for thousands of years through kind of genetic engineering to be calculators.
00:53:56
Speaker
So is this what Chad GPT is going to be doing to all of us? Yeah, I think dude might have predicted the future a little bit. Right? And on that note, sorry, too interject. I know we've been sticking
00:54:10
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to mainly film. We did a sci-fi prediction episode, but we're going to do an episode on artificial intelligence in general, I think a long form. It's something you and I talk about at length all the time. We're going to do a full blown episode on that that I think people will find pretty interesting. Yeah, Zach and I are part of that 12% and that new Pew research pool of people that
00:54:38
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heavily use AI in their day to day life. Got to get with it or get left behind. Yeah, we're definitely the definition of really adopters. Trying to job proof, get some security here. I think I was looking through my chat GPT history and I'm like over 1000 conversations now. Wow, you're fluent. I don't know.
00:54:59
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I'm still pretty dumb. I don't know about that when it comes to AI, but I definitely use it a lot. Dune part two, I think, I think it's going to hit, man. I really do. I think it will, hopefully it does a lot better at the box office now that it's not really in the height of the pandemic and all this, and we're kind of coming out, you know, and we're on this, the 2023 box office looks like it's on track to recover and maybe hit pre pandemic levels. I'm hoping people turn out for this.
00:55:29
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And, you know, if if you're listening and you're like, I do in part two, I didn't see the first or man, go watch the first and get it,
David Fincher & Marvel Fatigue
00:55:37
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man. It's it's a good property to get excited about. It's something, you know, quote unquote, new. The books.
00:55:44
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been around forever. They made two films, you know, prior to this set by Denny. But, you know, I think it's a perfect opportunity to get hyped about a quote unquote new property and
00:56:00
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give you something to look forward to. That's not just this Disney manufactured superhero machine that is cranking stuff out. And you know, we're going to be getting into the next one of those here pretty soon on the list too. All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw curveball here. And I'm gonna I want to say we're gonna do a bonus guess here. And this will be worth two points. And the guess is going to be guess how much dunes going to make in the box office part two.
00:56:29
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And whoever's closer gets two points on this. All right. We got over under or what? We're going to do prices, right? Rules. All right. Go for it. No, don't forget that prices. Right. That's a, that's all rigged. We're going to do closest to it. How about that? Just total, total difference. I'm going to say that this movie is going to make, and we're going to do global box office. I'm going to say 950 million at the global box office. Yeah. 950.
00:56:56
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Let me let me log this and track it God, please don't make me watch the score This is the deciding factor game you Jordan What did the first thing all right, so the first one made four hundred two million worldwide wide during the pandemic also
00:57:23
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with a simultaneous release on HBO max the same day without, so this one will not be released on HBO max the same day. I'm calling it 730, 730 million. Yeah. Oh, right. Don't ask me why. I just, that was the gut. I think that's a good one to say because it's definitely going to make more of four or two. I hope God, Allah, whoever has spoken through me on this.
00:57:52
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Save me, please. All right, so the next is from our boy David Fincher, heavyweight boss. He has a new flick coming out called The Killer, stars Michael Fassbender as an assassin who suffers from psychological problems and becomes haunted by his former employers.
00:58:15
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I never bet against Fincher ever. His resume, in my opinion, is flawless. He should be in the conversation of the greatest of all time, the goats of directors. So I don't even know anything about this beyond what I just read. And I'm about it. Michael Fassbender is a badass. David Fincher is a badass. I'm on board, fresh, fresh.
00:58:44
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Everyone's going to love it. I'm going to love it. Yes. Yeah, I'm right there with you. It's dumb to bet against David Fincher. Don't do it. Don't do it. He hasn't had a bad movie since Alien 3, and I think you and I both would give a mull good on that. That's how you cut your teeth, man. He cut his teeth on Alien 3. He definitely got his teeth cut in that one.
00:59:07
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Everything else, he's pissed. Excellence. You know, the way people talk about Ridley Scott, Mike, if you're listening, this is a direct shot at you. The way people talk about Ridley Scott, tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk, dare I say, reserve this commentary for David Fincher.
00:59:31
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Much better director, consistent, tried and true. You know what you're getting. This is the Walter White Methamphetamine is what you get when David Fincher makes a film. Oh, 100%. This shit comes out blue, man. Blue. Yeah, every time. Every time. That just is his resume at this point. I mean, you go back.
00:59:59
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Make amazing. Gone Girl. Amazing. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. Great film. Social Network. Widely considered by many people one of the best movies of the decade. Curious Case of Benjamin Button. You and I. That's one of our favorites. I love that movie. We need a whole episode on that. Zodiac, one of the best true crime films ever made. Panic Room.
01:00:20
Speaker
Awesome. It's still a great movie. Dude, that sledgehammer to the face. Awesome. Fight Club, widely considered one of the greatest films ever made. The Game, in my opinion, should be considered one of the great films. That is one of the wildest movies I've ever seen to this day. Yeah. And then Seven, maybe the greatest era killer film ever made. Yep. It doesn't miss, man. It doesn't miss. It's in the box. Another David Pitcher film.
01:00:45
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It's the fool me once, you know, he, he fooled us all once with aliens three and the never again, he came correct, man. He did. He did. Like I said, I don't even, I can't count that. I can't. It, it makes it even better. Cause the next one was drug directed by the French filmmaker who did, uh, Emily and, uh, Delicatassa too. And he had the same experience with the producers where it basically just got the floor pulled out from under him. So.
01:01:15
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I want to blame that on people. Creative control. Exactly. You know, all right. So we both are going to love it. We think everyone's going to love it. This next one, the Marvel's Brie Larson's back as captain Marvel.
01:01:34
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We have Ms. Marvel in here, right, as well. MCU's latest offering. You know, I don't think people are gonna like it. I don't think critics are gonna like it. But I actually think I will like it. And I don't know why. I just, I saw the trailer and I thought, eh, maybe this will be a little bit lighter. Maybe it will be interesting for world building. But I'm not hyped, man. I'm kinda getting Marvel fatigued, to be honest.
01:02:04
Speaker
Yeah. I think I'll like it. I'm not hyped up. I have the same Marvel fatigue. That's even after Guardians of the Galaxy 3, which I really liked. It wasn't enough to write the ship for me. I don't know if it's fatigue or that they just haven't been very consistent recently. I'm wondering why I'm investing myself into this larger universe.
01:02:30
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I think another aspect of that is there's a lack of an overarching villain. I mean, we got Kang who may not be involved anymore, Jonathan Majors. But there's not that Thanos level threat that is kind of just there in the background or is prominent in the background.
01:02:51
Speaker
with these, you know, this phase, these films have come out. So the stakes seem, it seems like there aren't any stakes yet and there's not really a shared, I mean, yeah, there's a shared universe, but there's not been a whole lot of crossover that makes me feel like each movie is being sewn into a much bigger tapestry, you know?
01:03:17
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Yeah, that's I get that feeling too. And I don't get what happened because it seems like there's such a clear cut plan for the original Marvel movie. So maybe that's just me in hindsight now. Have you seen, you know, the whole infinity war saga? Because I can, I can imagine myself going back to like Thor to the dark world and not necessarily seeing like this overarching plot line that was coming before me. Yeah. But, uh,
01:03:45
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Maybe that's uh, maybe it's a recency bias that you know after seeing 21 movies tied up together or how many films were in it Yeah, it might be I mean I won't I'll acknowledge that that may be the case But there's so it it seems like they They released there's just too much content like the TV shows being to add it into this to me. It's just It's too many strings to keep track of like you gotta watch Loki and then you gotta watch this Marvel and then you gotta watch
01:04:15
Speaker
you know, the Scarlet Witch story and all these different shows and each one of them is like eight to 10 hours. And all of a sudden you're in one year, you're getting more hours of content than the entire MCU universe before that. Yeah. But it's like the gravity of it just kind of fell out, you
Hunger Games Prequel & Napoleon Hopes
01:04:33
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know? Yeah, I think that's really what it was. It was just, you know, like watching like two or three movies a year at the height was all right. Maybe I would have preferred to have gone back down to one to two years. But what do you have a,
01:04:46
Speaker
It's been diluted. It's been diluted. And I guess we should have seen that coming when you're making so much movie at the peak of Marvel that people that have their jobs riding on a bottom line for a film department at Disney aren't going to want to shut that resume. They're not going to want to shut that off. They want to protect their jobs. Yeah, that's a good point. So where are you falling on this? That being said, I'm going to say fresh.
01:05:13
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Fresh with the critics. I think it's going to be rotten with audiences. And that's just me going off of, uh, for whatever reason, the fanboys hate, uh, Brie Larson. I don't like her as a Captain Marvel. And they really, uh, took a dump on, uh, the best Marvel show as well. But I think I'm going to like it. I was watching a trailer and I thought it was charming. Looked like a fun movie. Fair enough. The next one up on the list is the Hunger Games prequel.
01:05:40
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It's an adaptation of The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, which I guess is a prequel novel. I didn't even know that existed. Didn't read it, obviously.
01:05:53
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I don't know what to think. I have no idea. I liked the Hunger Game movies, but I was like, I don't know, a kid. I can't remember. I was a younger man when those came out. So I don't know that I'm going to be super into this. I don't know, man. I don't know. I mean, I'm excited.
01:06:19
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that they're building out the world. I like properties. I like big properties that are out there. They exist. The machines moving, going, churning stuff out. But I just don't know. I think I left this franchise where it
01:06:39
Speaker
It needed to be, you know, there's closure. I don't know that the world is interesting enough to go back to another, you know, battle royale and all of this, especially with like, you know how it all ends. So I don't know. I think it's going to be rotten across the board and I don't think I'm going to like it. All right. I think that's fair. After watching a trailer though, I'm going to change my answer a little bit. I think this is going to be fresh with the critics.
01:07:09
Speaker
I think it'll be fresh with audiences. I think people like the Hunger Games. I like the Hunger Games. And I don't know why I had a rotten taste in my mouth about the previous Hunger Games movies. I went back and watched the first one, and I really liked that one. And I think I'm going to like this one, too. Yeah, the first was great. OK. Well, fair enough. We'll see. Hunger Games. Still got it. It's still got the secret sauce.
01:07:38
Speaker
The next is Napoleon. And we kind of covered this about Ridley Scott, right? Yes, we did. He has historically, or at least in my opinion, he has kind of flip-flopped, alternated every other movie he's released, in my opinion, has been either great or, you know, straight garbage.
01:08:06
Speaker
House Gucci wasn't bad, but I wasn't about it. So if we follow the pattern, I'm going to like Napoleon. But independent of the pattern, I like Joaquin. And Joaquin Phoenix is starring as Napoleon. It's going to cover what, his early years and then his exile. Yeah? Yeah.
01:08:33
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I think what I was reading is that this is going to focus more on his relationship with his wife. Hmm. Interesting. Okay. I don't know how I feel about that, but I still think I, yeah, has Joaquin and I love Joaquin. And I think Joaquin's been kind of has been even more high profile lately than he's ever been. I mean, he's gotten an Oscar. Obviously we gave rave reviews to Beau's afraid, although it seems,
01:09:01
Speaker
Maybe we're in the minority there, but you know, damn you all. Um, yeah, I mean, I'm excited to see what he does with this and Ridley has it in him to deliver good films when he's dialed in. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I hope he's dialed in on this one. I think, I think he will be. I think you're right. I think, uh, I think we're, I think this is kind of follow the pattern and I think this could be a great,
01:09:31
Speaker
Epic, you know, epic film. And we're going to see Joaquin Phoenix really carry it. I'm calling fresh from the critic standpoint, rotten from users, but I think I'll like it. All right. And, uh, I want to go fresh from the critics, fresh from audience. And I think I'm going to love this movie. All right. That's fair. That's fair. Um, one caveat though, it has a kit Harrington in it and, uh, John Snow.
01:09:58
Speaker
I think he's awful. I think it's awful. I don't want it. I don't want it. Don't make me king. Yeah, I know. I like it, but I mean, I like Game of Thrones till the last two seasons. I wanted them to have a good film career.
Leave the World Behind & Wonka Debate
01:10:17
Speaker
Pompeii sucked though. Oh man. I just not impressed with anything that he does.
01:10:24
Speaker
I think he's gotten in some lucky roles. You might be right. I'm not going to defend, kid. He's done nothing for me. I will not defend him or his honor. I will not defend his honor. Yeah, fair enough. So this next one on the list, and I think we have just a few more, is Leave the World Behind. This is a thriller.
01:10:51
Speaker
based on the novel of the same name. I've never heard of the novel, I mean, until we kind of looked into this film. The premise, it follows two families who are forced to share a vacation home during a mysterious blackout that causes chaos in the world. This gives me knock at the cabin vibes.
01:11:14
Speaker
with how ambiguous the ending is probably going to be. The book, Knock at the Cabin, the film with Dave Batista, there was closure at the end and you do get a sense of what actually was going on. I like that film a lot. So if it has similar atmosphere ambiance, kind of direction pacing, I might dig this, but
01:11:42
Speaker
You know, this is from, uh, what's his name? Sam S. Mill. The guy who made Mr. Robot. I like Mr. Robot. I think it got progressively worse each season. I don't think you agree with me there, Andrew, but, um, I think he has the talent.
01:12:02
Speaker
to deliver a really interesting film. I just don't know that the premise has me sold. And yeah, I mean, I kind of fall on this, that critics aren't going to dig it, audiences won't. And I want to like this movie. And I hope that I do. But I don't think I will. I don't think it's going to land with me. Yeah. Oh, man. I love Mr. Robot. And I thought,
01:12:30
Speaker
It got progressively worse until season four, which I think redeemed it. And with Denzel Washington, Julie Roberts, um, I'm going to mispronounce his name. Uh, my, uh, how do you say it? Maher? Mahershala. Mahershala. That's how you say it. Mahershala Ali. I love him and everything he does. And I, and Sam Esmail has such an interesting visual way that he tells stories that
01:12:55
Speaker
I think I thought that this was going to be rotten with audiences and rotten with me, but I can't go back on Mr. Robot and just how visually entertaining that Sam is as a director. So I'm going to say fresh across the board here, I think this is going to be one of the surprise hits for the year. Really? Yeah.
01:13:15
Speaker
You're kind of changing it up a little bit from our initial conversation, yeah? Yeah. I know we were reading over and doing our initial conversation. Zach and I were going over the story and some of the production of it. And some of the stuff that we read kind of left a bad taste in our mouth. But I'm a fanboy at heart, so I got to go with my gut.
01:13:37
Speaker
That's fair. I respect that. I'll always respect that, and I guess I'll probably watch the Scorpion King trilogy because of that. I think I'm going with my gut, but I also think I'm trying to be bold and silly. When I ask silly, it never pays off. That's what I've learned. This is my silly side here because CMS Bell could be
01:14:04
Speaker
very pretentious in this, it is a filmmaking. Yeah. Yeah, he can. And it has gotten worse. It has gotten better. Like Homecoming was a hit with the critics, but it was not a hit with audiences. So there's a, there's a very real possibility that this will be a very visually stunning, boring, pretentious film that audiences hate. So I'm hoping that he learned his lesson that this isn't that. I hope I like it, man. But
01:14:32
Speaker
Time will tell, I suppose. The next one on this list is, I don't know how I feel about this. I thought I did, but now that I'm kind of like coming back to it, I'm emotional. I don't know. I'm kind of torn. Do you want to introduce this one? Yeah, yeah. I'll introduce this one. And do you want me to get my rating first on this one too? Yeah, yeah, of course. Because I read up more on this one. So first off, this is Wonka.
01:15:02
Speaker
It's going to be a musical fantasy film, and it's going to be based on Willy Wonka, obviously. It is going to start, typically, Chamelay has a young Willy Wonka, and Olivia Coleman is going to be Miss Pratchett, and Keegan-Michael Keyes is going to be Mr. Salt, who I'm not sure who that is, but Keegan-Michael Keyes, always really good. This is going to be exploring Wonka's early life.
01:15:26
Speaker
his origin story on how he came in to be a chocolate maker and the wizard that he is. But most importantly, and what has been giving me second thoughts about my original rating of this movie, which is, I thought this was going to be rotten, is that Paul King directed this. Paul King did two wonderful underrated movies, Paddington 1 and 2. Paddington represent. Yeah. It's like, how do you bet against Paul King after
01:15:55
Speaker
making Paddington the Bear one of the greatest film franchises in the last 20 years. Yeah, that's fair. That is fair. I just don't know that we need to go back. I don't know that we need this. Just like these people who are talking, there are whispers, whispers in the dark about
01:16:16
Speaker
remaking Lord of the Rings and all this. And I just, I don't know. I don't know that I need Wonka, but maybe, just maybe, as Bernie Sanders would say, maybe I'm not the audience anymore, man. Maybe Hollywood's left me behind. Maybe I'm a has-been old buddy, you know?
01:16:35
Speaker
So what's been like 20 years since uh, the Johnny Depp one? God that makes me feel old. Is that true? I think it was like 2004. Jesus. I had to admit because I saw that movie with my sister and you know the backstory. We need a Jamie. Jamie, check that. No, we got to Google that. Willy Wonka or no, it was Charlie in the chocolate factory. 2005. 2005, damn near 20 years ago. So it's been 18 years since we've been
01:17:05
Speaker
in the world of, uh, since we've been there, huh? Yeah. But why does it feel like it's been like it's been overdone? It does. Maybe that's a, that's a testament to how good the original Willy Walker was. Yeah, maybe it is. Maybe you just don't fuck with the classic.
01:17:25
Speaker
Maybe. There's also an argument to bring it back to new audiences. I haven't had a chance. I don't want to watch a movie that looks very dated in the 1970s. How dare you? How dare you? Where's Greta? How dare you? We need to download on our sound board here
01:17:47
Speaker
that how dare you clip. And I'm going to just drop that as you're giving these hot takes. All we got is what drums. I don't think those were. What about? I feel like I should be talking about my trauma and my background. All right.
01:18:13
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. I don't want this movie. I like Timothy Chalamet, but I don't want it. I think it's berodden across the board, but I do think they will pull it off, stick the landing, and I will like it. See, I'm given kind of this crazy emotional roller coaster, but I'm trying to be bold, man. I'm trying to put my prediction out there and really
01:18:38
Speaker
I like Timothy. They may pull it off. They may be so bold that it lands, but maybe audiences and critics are just going to be offended. They're even going back to this territory again, but maybe not. Yeah. I mean, man, I really want to change my rating on this because I think that Paul King, there's no way that he's going to make a rock film here. Don't do it.
01:19:07
Speaker
I'll keep it. No, you can change if you want. And I really want you to watch the Scorpion King show with me. Yeah. A lot of my heart. I don't want that to happen.
01:19:17
Speaker
I'll watch it with you. That would actually be a good episode. I mean, we got to do an episode on the shitty trilogy anyways, but it would be fun for one of us to document the others torment and torture and report the deck on the podcast. All right, then I'm going fresh across the board. I think, uh, do you think Paul King directing and Timothy Chamelee and Olivia Coleman. This is a, this is an easy, easy three fresh. All right.
01:19:48
Speaker
Fair enough, probably right.
Aquaman 2 & Best Batman Discussion
01:19:52
Speaker
Next is... You gotta get yours, and I think... Did we lock you in? I thought I... Yeah, I thought I did, but if... Yeah, you did, you did. It was a... Rotten, rotten, but I think I'll like it. Yeah. So the next here, second to last film, will be covering... And this is a pretty comprehensive episode, I think. You know, we're going...
01:20:16
Speaker
hour and a half here roughly where we're hitting all these and I think they're pretty much the biggest bangers that are expected to drop this year but the last or the second to last is Aquaman 2 which
01:20:34
Speaker
You know, brings back Jason Momoa. Amber Heard, unfortunately, is coming back. Bunch of other people. I think it's going to be Rod and Rod, and I don't think I'm going to like it. The first one was OK. It was too cartoony, in my opinion. I liked it. I liked it. Don't get me wrong, but it was there was just something about the shots and how the pacing and
01:21:04
Speaker
I don't know. It kind of felt, it rubbed me a little weird. It seemed like it was accidentally good, not technically good. Yeah, there was a, I would say it had some, had weird pacing. It had a lot of weird pacing. It had a lot going on too. And a story that kind of seemed a little contrived, but
01:21:32
Speaker
I mean, Jason Momoa is great. He just has so much charisma on screen. And so he could really carry a film. And I think Ben Affleck is going to be one of the leads on this as Batman, maybe his last Batman film. Yeah, I never liked Ben Affleck as Batman. Not a fan of the Bat Flick? No, let people freak out, crucify me, whatever. Not hashtag, not my Batman. What was that Ben Affleck story that he talked about? I think it was on Jimmy Kimmel.
01:22:02
Speaker
He was like, when I got cast as Batman, they said, don't look online for any of the reactions. He's like, why? He's like, the first comment I saw was, no. I was like, 25 votes. Yeah. I don't know. Hashtag, not my Batman. That's where I'll leave that. I'm really digging Robert Pattinson right now.
01:22:25
Speaker
Me too. He's in this? No, just his Batman. That's my Batman. Who's he playing in Aquaman too? My Batman is definitely Christian Bill. Growing up with the seven begins and everything. Yep. I mean, respect Michael Keaton. I'm excited for him to come back in the flash, but yeah, Christian Bill's my Batman, man. Yeah, Michael Keaton is that. That's my mom's Batman. She's all hyphened up and doing.
01:22:53
Speaker
But Chris Nolan, Dark Knight, I mean, that movie's game perfect. Yeah, even if the third was a little weak, but yeah. Yeah, weak by the trilogy standards, but still great film compared to other movies. Absolutely. Aquaman 2, it doesn't sound like we're hyped. You said it's going to be fresh, rotten, and you won't like it. I would like to switch that up. I think it's going to be rotten tomatoes.
01:23:21
Speaker
and I think it's going to be a fresh audience and I don't think I'll like it. All right. For record-keeping purposes, let me... Yeah, for those of you... You can't see what he's doing, but Zach has a Google Docs open. He's a very detail-oriented and he's going over all my changes. I'm slaving away so I don't have to watch The Scorpion King or any of these other shitty trilogy
01:23:44
Speaker
ideas, whatever that people are throwing out there. And maybe we should do a poll or a survey. Maybe we should send a link out, that kind of thing. Let people give some ideas here. That'd be kind of interesting. Yeah, if you want to put into your
01:24:02
Speaker
your predictions for these movies and see how you compare to us, maybe you'll have to watch the Scorpion King. Yeah, maybe you should. All right, I think we saved the best for last. Do you want to introduce this one? I don't know that anyone even knows. I mean, some people probably for sure. Let's get a show of hands of what
01:24:27
Speaker
is going to be a movie that is marketed as the next Star Wars franchise with a big expansive space opera.
Rebel Moon Excitement & Universe Building
01:24:36
Speaker
Now, if you knew that it was Rebel Moon, give yourself a nice pat on the back because Rebel Moon is the big Zack Snyder Netflix saga that set the space.
01:24:48
Speaker
Yeah, and he originally tried to pitch a Star Wars film to Lucasfilm and Disney. He had an idea. He was ready to get involved, make his own Star Wars movie. They rejected it, apparently. And he said, well, you know, F it. I'm going to go forward and build my own Star Wars. And
01:25:13
Speaker
That's what he's doing. He's moving forward. He's making this Rebel Moon film, I think. Wasn't it shot back to back with the sequel? Yeah, I believe so. It's going to be Rebel Moon part one, Rebel Moon part two. They're both going to be PG-13, according to the post-production notes, but he's also going to release side by side an extended R rated cut for both films. It's yeah, it's highly.
01:25:43
Speaker
inspired by the Kurosawa films, the old samurai films, specifically the first one being Seven Samurai. It's about this girl who has to go to nearby planets and recruit warriors to defend her whole world. So yeah, it's going to be Seven Samurai in space. And that is such a timeless, classic story. You know, whether you're familiar with Seven Samurai or the Magnificent Seven, the old one or the new one,
01:26:11
Speaker
Who does it love? Stephen King did it great in Wolves of the Cala and the Dark Tower series also. Yeah. It's just a fabulous story. You get a ragtag group of has-beens, up-and-comers, and seasoned warriors, and they're outnumbered against a powerful, well-funded enemy. Everyone loves that story. I'm cautiously optimistic.
01:26:37
Speaker
I like Zack Snyder. I loved Army of the Dead recently. Um, I thought that was beautifully shot. I loved his use of Boca with his lenses and how he shot the film. Um, I like a lot of the stuff he's done. You know, the, the just sleek cut wasn't as good as I, as people hyped it to be.
01:27:03
Speaker
It kind of was underwhelming, but I preferred it over the actual Justice League release. He has the talent in him to deliver a film of this scale. I just hope that he pulls, I mean, it won't be a James Cameron in terms of box office revenue, but I hope he pulls
01:27:27
Speaker
a James Cameron in the sense that we are given a new property that is original. It's fresh. It's a big universe. This is supposed to be an epic space opera film, you know, and we need new properties. Hollywood is rebooting everything. And we just talked about The Exorcist. We talked about Halloween. Indiana Jones is back. He's 130 years old in the movie, you know, like,
01:27:55
Speaker
There are no new ideas in Hollywood, it seems, and I appreciate people having the guts to develop a new idea, new property, to get the studio backing, to go out and swing big, to create new Harry Potters, new Lord of the Rings, new Star Wars.
01:28:16
Speaker
you know, new universes of films. So I really hope it does well and it gives audiences something to get excited about and to get behind and, you know, to really become passionate about. And I think the fact that it was shot back to back with a planned sequel is encouraging. You know, that's exciting. I hope that means
01:28:42
Speaker
You know, the studio, the producers are confident in what they're seeing and the overall story. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, so it's following this young girl, right, who is going out seeking warriors, like you were saying, and calling to these classic films. But these warriors from neighboring planets,
01:29:08
Speaker
to come help a peaceful, what is it, planet colony on the edge of a galaxy that is being threatened by a tyrant, you know, and if
01:29:24
Speaker
If it's anything like these classic stories, it'll be badass. And if they do it right with the world building, very John Wick-esque, you know, I think you've set up a good sandbox to play in for the foreseeable future. So I'm hoping I'm hyped. I'm hyped. I'm so hyped.
01:29:46
Speaker
You know, that's not even to mention, they are really planning for this to be a massive IP, guys. They're releasing a graphic novel, animated short, they're doing a novelization by Titan Books, and they're releasing an RPG video game simultaneously. Damn. That's a lot of action. A lot of activity. And they called it a ridiculous scale, like this is a high budget RPG.
01:30:14
Speaker
Oh, that gets me hyped. I mean, if people are hyped about Avatar, you know, I hope people get excited about this because it's a new universe. It's a new sandbox to go and play in. And I want a new playground. I want another opportunity, another forum, another place to go and check out of, you know, day-to-day life and get swept away in a fantastic story and universe.
01:30:44
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. I'm very excited about this movie. I haven't seen it talked a lot about. Speaking of which, the writer of this film is also the guy, Shay Hatton, who did Army of the Dead, Army of Thieves, and also John Wick 4. Plus, I think John Wick 3 as well as his first film. Nice. So he has a nice little track record coming up.
01:31:13
Speaker
I liked all of those. If you get a good writer and a good director, at least a visionary director in Zack Snyder, I think this has all the ingredients to be really good and I hope it is. With that being said,
01:31:36
Speaker
I think I'll like it. I think audiences will like it. I just think critics may bash him and beat him up. Yeah, he does have that reputation. They're really never kind to him. Even Watchmen was kind of hit or miss with the critics. That's one of my favorite movies ever in a comic book medium.
01:31:55
Speaker
Oh, I love Watchmen. Me and you rode our bikes. Midnight showing in high school to go watch that move in. So that's Lester tires. And it was worth it. I think we, did we skip school the next day? No, but we were late. Yeah, we were late. That's what it was. We were late. My tummy hurts. Sorry. I have the shits. Yeah.
01:32:22
Speaker
No, I think they may be a little brutal. So I'm calling it rotten critics. Audiences are going to love it. I'm going to love it. What about you? You think fresh across the board? Yeah. This is me just wishful thinking because I really want another big franchise that isn't based on a previous medium, which I guess is what a more Hollywood thing to have than a movie that was a failed Star Wars film become the next big IP. Right. Right.
01:32:52
Speaker
Yeah, I would say fresh, fresh. And yes, we're going to love this movie. Oh, we're ending on an optimistic note, which is always good. We are. But this kind of sills my fate, I think, you know, there was a part of me that was like, uh, you know, we still got to do part two of this. I could still get out of it. Uh, it'll be okay. But now it's official. We got to close the books.
01:33:22
Speaker
It is now etched into stone, our predictions and oh God, if I predict that I lose, can I get that fit? Should we give him a bonus point, guys? No, no, no. I knew what I signed up for. It's kind of, it's a win-win, lose-lose for both of us because whatever we end up watching, we both have to watch.
01:33:47
Speaker
Yeah, and we'll have a good discussion. It'll be fun. It'll be fun. But it'll be worth it just because it's like, even if I'm sitting there not enjoying the movies, it's because I'm making you not enjoy movies. That's right.
Conclusion & Listener Engagement
01:34:01
Speaker
All right, man. I think with that being said, I'd like to thank everyone for tuning in. And hopefully, you have some predictions of your own.
01:34:12
Speaker
Stay in tune. We'll give updates throughout the rest of the year. I think Rebel Moon is supposed to drop at the end of the year, December 23rd. So we'll really, you know, go up to the end here to see kind of where we fall on everything. But yeah, thanks for tuning in.
01:34:30
Speaker
Any parting remarks from you, sir, Andrew. Yeah. For those of you that stayed along with us for this hour and 37 minutes, uh, thank you so much for, for being a faithful listener. And I would love if, uh, if you get a chance to shoot us a message or drop a comment and let us know what movies that maybe we missed that you're really hyped about, or if you just want to talk about the movies that you're most looking forward to that we talked about, uh, you know, leave us a little comment on that as well.
01:34:59
Speaker
Hell yeah. With that, I guess peace guys. Have a good one. Later.