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Comic-Con Revelations: The R-Rated Future of Marvel
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In this episode of The Study Pipe, we dive into the excitement and energy of San Diego Comic-Con 2024! Join us as we recount our personal experiences, from standout panels and surprise guest appearances. But that’s not all—get ready for a discussion on the new Deadpool and Wolverine movie. We’ll explore the film’s potential impact on the future of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. With the massive success of this R-rated blockbuster, could we be witnessing the dawn of a darker, edgier Marvel? Tune in for all this and more, as we uncover the thrilling future of our favorite heroes!
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Episode and Host Updates
00:00:19
zbranum
All right, we're back. And I think the gaps between episodes are decreasing, right? At least maybe I'm being optimistic, but it feels that way.
00:00:30
Andrew
Yeah, this is our third episode this year, so we're on a pretty good pace.
00:00:36
zbranum
We're on a hot streak.
00:00:36
Andrew
I think we might hit our goal. We might hit 100 by the end of the year, so that's the goal.
00:00:40
zbranum
I think so, man. It's ramping up exponential growth.
00:00:45
Andrew
Yeah, it'll be three this week.
00:00:46
zbranum
And wait, who's here?
00:00:47
Andrew
then maybe
00:00:49
zbranum
Who's here with me? I'm just speaking into the void. I hear Andrew, but we have.
00:00:54
Jordan
Jordan's back again for another one.
00:00:57
zbranum
And permanently, pretty much, right?
00:01:00
Jordan
I hope so.
00:01:02
zbranum
Subject to subject to no crazy life events, yeah except the baby that's on the way.
00:01:02
Jordan
As long as we keep doing these episodes.
00:01:02
Andrew
Are you gonna be?
00:01:11
Andrew
I was gonna say, if you have a baby, then you might be able to miss one. We'll give you like one mulligan.
00:01:17
zbranum
No, we don't grant paternity leave here at the study pipe, all right?
00:01:23
Andrew
Yeah, you're you're an unpaid intern.
00:01:24
Jordan
That'd be the perfect time to get it done. I was actually thinking of just having the baby join the podcast.
00:01:31
zbranum
That would be legit.
00:01:34
Andrew
It probably has, but she's probably gonna have better insights than I do, like right off the bat.
00:01:38
zbranum
What if her first words aren't the study pipe?
00:01:43
Jordan
No, it's going to be Henry Cavill.
00:01:46
zbranum
Oh my God,
00:01:46
Andrew
Oh,
Marvel at Comic-Con
00:01:46
zbranum
the cavalry cavalry, which I think is, well, that that's the perfect, what Segway set up for what we're hoping to talk about on this episode being, I guess a mix between San Diego comic-con and Deadpool and Wolverine.
00:01:47
Andrew
it's gonna be Calvary. is And it still hasn't yet.
00:01:49
Jordan
Cavill read.
00:01:52
Andrew
Wolverine.
00:01:59
Jordan
Mm
00:02:06
zbranum
I think when I had suggested that Jordan, you gave a giggle, but For me, in my mind, they're very much intertwined, merged together. We did Comic-Con and saw the movie all in the same week.
00:02:19
Jordan
-hmm
00:02:20
zbranum
And for the first time ever, Marvel had two appearances in Hall of H at Comic-Con and the first being Thursday. kind of unheard of, focused entirely on Deadpool and Wolverine. They did a panel, but also a screening of the entire film for you know the attendees in Hall H. And I think it was Thursday night, right, where they did the drone show after.
00:02:47
Andrew
Do that drone show.
00:02:47
zbranum
And that was awesome.
00:02:50
Andrew
That was so cool.
00:02:52
zbranum
Yeah, so for those of you listening who may not know, outside of the convention center in San Diego, Petco Park, where the Padres play is right nearby, they launched drones from Petco and did like a fireworks drone show, super crazy Deadpool and Wolverine action. And then they even teased Fantastic Four and Galactus, right?
00:03:20
Jordan
They did.
00:03:20
Andrew
Yeah, yeah, they it to like not undersell it at all. Like this drone show was massive. Like Galactus was like the size of a skyscraper.
00:03:30
zbranum
Yeah, we saw it from like what 10 blocks away to
00:03:31
Jordan
Yeah, honestly.
00:03:34
Andrew
Yeah, we were on a on a rooftop in San Diego watching it.
00:03:34
Jordan
Yeah.
00:03:38
Andrew
That was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. It had a fireworks show going with it. And all of a sudden, it's like, fuck fireworks. I never want to see fireworks again. I just want to see drones. Fireworks are washed.
00:03:50
zbranum
Yeah, like, so I don't think I've seen a drone show in person before that one. I could be mistaken. I've seen footage and all that. But what blew me away, if you guys remember, is like the 3D head of Deadpool, like when his head was like looking around the sky.
00:04:10
Jordan
That was wild.
00:04:12
zbranum
That showed me out big time.
00:04:15
Jordan
I think Deadpool's 3D head and Galactus was just and I'm a I'm a very big fireworks guy.
00:04:16
Andrew
Yeah, one.
00:04:23
Jordan
Half my family is a bunch of rednecks and loves blowing up shit. So I just like grew up with that. But yeah, had drone shows way better. It's such a crazy like thing to You can try and explain it as much as you can, but unless you see it in person, it's just you can't do it justice.
00:04:42
Andrew
Yeah, no, it's a fireworks. They're like the horse and buggy. And they did the job for a long time. But now we got cars. And that's what these drones are is so much better.
00:04:53
zbranum
Yeah, man, like the the formations, the design, they're so intricate. And I thought there was like a combo. and I don't know. I mean, I suppose I'm curious what you guys think happened or how they pulled it off. But I thought the drones that formed the Fantastic Four logo had fireworks on them or something where it turned into like a streamer.
00:05:15
Jordan
They did.
00:05:17
zbranum
Right. Like it was like the four logo was like on fire kind of or like streaming.
00:05:24
Jordan
Yep.
00:05:25
zbranum
That was badass.
00:05:27
Andrew
Yeah, that was amazing and it was definitely fireworks or something on it like streamers because there's smoke everywhere.
00:05:35
zbranum
I wonder how much they cost.
00:05:35
Jordan
It's kind of crazy to to even think that like right down there as we were watching was the entire cast of the film. watching it at the same time. like And all the people like coming up onto the roof or other people posting about it and whatnot. like it was it a crazy It felt like an MCU event that you were like part of like in that world.
00:06:00
zbranum
Yeah. And I want to build on that because I've been sitting here, you know, I was talking to coworkers and everyone knew I was going to Comic Con with you guys and, you know, naturally get back to work. People are like, how was it? You know, was it awesome? What did you like? What didn't you like? I loved that it felt like like it felt like I was in an event with people who are like minded. They're all hyped. And it's kind of like you know the the filling of like a sporting event, but without like the potential to be disappointed or to be in competition. right So like you're in a stadium with 70,000 people. You're at a convention with 100,000 people plus.
00:06:46
zbranum
But it was so cool that the vibe was everyone's excited, but there's no potential for disappointment because you're not it's not tribal. It was very communal. You know, people are excited to be there. It felt like the whole city like I knew this last year because I was walking around downtown San Diego when it was going on. But it it was it really I think was apparent this time around that, you know, Comic Con It dominates the city of San Diego. It spills out into downtown. The whole city's aware that it's going on. Everywhere you go, you know people are buzzing about it. And it felt very communal, very exciting. Felt like you were in the action. I love that feeling of being in the action. And you know just being like, yeah we weren't in Hall H at all. you know they'll You have to camp out a day to do that, whatever it is. but
00:07:44
zbranum
knowing that, OK, you know, 50 feet from me or 100 feet or on the other side of this convention are the some of the highest paid actors in the world right now. You know, the most famous people in the world right now are sitting here talking about, you know, their passion projects or things they're working on. That's cool to be in a place where, you know, that that's happening and the the buzz is going on. It's something that I've never really experienced before.
00:08:15
Andrew
All right, so I do have a little piece of information going back to the drone show. That was the largest drone show in America that we saw.
00:08:23
zbranum
Really?
00:08:24
Andrew
It had 2,396 drones. I found the company that did it. I dropped their pricing list into the into the chat here. And for just a 500 premium drone for large detailed animations, a 10 minute show would cost $300,000. and they had 2400 drones.
00:08:47
zbranum
Wow.
00:08:48
Jordan
That's insane.
00:08:50
zbranum
You know, I knew that Marvel, Disney, they were spending a lot on the the Deadpool and Wolverine advertising, right? No expense spared, apparently. And it it was really apparent because down the street from where I live, they took over the Jack in the Box. They've themed it all out, Deadpool, Wolverine, even the menu items at Jack in the Box. They had Deadpool, Wolverine, like chimichangas and whatnot. That was crazy to see, you know, a studio go that hard with the advertising and the drone show is like the cherry on top.
00:09:27
zbranum
it And now they're what expected to hit a billion dollars this weekend at the box office worldwide.
00:09:32
Andrew
Yeah. Yeah. So I guess that that million dollar drone show was money well spent.
00:09:39
zbranum
I'd say so for sure. So, okay, I guess my question is, do we talk Deadpool and Wolverine, or do we talk Comic-Con? Which first? We're kind of blurring them, blending them together, but what are you both itching to discuss?
00:09:57
Andrew
that was like it it's kind of hard to separate that whole
00:10:01
Jordan
Me personally, i'm I'm going Deadpool, Wolverine. That's all I've been thinking about as of late as I continue to learn more stuff about that film and I'm dying to see it again too.
00:10:13
zbranum
Yeah, you know
Deadpool & Wolverine Hype
00:10:16
zbranum
what I've been thinking. So I want to see it again. I completely agree.
00:10:19
Andrew
Dude,
00:10:19
zbranum
I just asked my brother the other night, like, hey, should we go back and go see it right now?
00:10:23
Andrew
I was like, it's kind of hard to separate them.
00:10:24
zbranum
Maybe do 40 X or something. And he's on board. So I'll probably end up seeing it again here in the next couple of days. But, dude, it's nice to be hyped about Marvel again and to be coming out of Comic-Con with like a renewed sense of love for the source material.
00:10:38
Andrew
you
00:10:46
zbranum
Like, man, I watch Deadpool and Wolverine, and I don't really read the comics. I've told you guys that before. But then with the announcement of Robert Downey Jr. coming back, as you know Dr. Doom, I sat there and spent like a whole day reading a bunch of Doom comics, and it was awesome. And like I kind of feel like a kid again. It's nice. In previous episodes, we talk a little shit about Disney, how they've handled Star Wars, kind of this latest phase of Marvel has been, ugh. And that's kind of been reset a little bit for me. I'm coming out of this summer blockbuster season
00:11:27
zbranum
actually looking forward to what they're doing next.
00:11:31
Jordan
I would say that Ryan Reynolds and Deadpool is in fact Marvel Jesus.
00:11:37
zbranum
Straight up.
00:11:39
Jordan
He came back and saved what I thought was dead.
00:11:41
zbranum
Every head must bow, every tongue must confess in the presence of Marvel Jesus.
00:11:45
Jordan
I haven't been this excited since any game.
00:11:49
zbranum
every head must bow every tongue must confess in
Marvel's Future Plans
00:11:52
zbranum
the presence of marvel jesus
00:11:53
Jordan
yep
00:11:55
Andrew
man. Yes, I 100% agree. I thought Marvel was on its final legs here.
00:12:03
zbranum
I thought they were cooked man. I thought they were cooked.
00:12:05
Andrew
Yeah, dude. And yeah, like.
00:12:08
zbranum
you have You have their main villain running around beating women. I thought they were cooked.
00:12:14
Andrew
Yeah, I know. Jonathan majors. What a choice there, dude. I mean, how's this right?
00:12:21
zbranum
What a fool. What a fool there.
00:12:22
Andrew
yeah
00:12:23
zbranum
they The next two Avengers movies were focused on Kang completely. And at Comic-Con, they announced that's not the case anymore. Goodbye. I mean, they cut ties with them after the verdict immediately, but we kind of didn't know what was going to happen with the Avengers flicks, like the next slate, right? They don't even mention Kang. It's, what, Doomsday and then Secret Wars.
00:12:47
Andrew
You know, Kings out. They're just, they're just going to pretend like it never happened.
00:12:51
zbranum
Do you think, okay, but hold hold on, let me interrupt but your your your your thought here.
00:12:51
Andrew
It's actually.
00:12:57
zbranum
What do you guys, how do you you guys think they're going to handle it? Do you think in the beginning of doomsday doom is going to come in and slaughter the council of Kangs or something like that?
00:13:07
Andrew
No, I think they're just going to ignore it.
00:13:10
zbranum
What really?
00:13:11
Andrew
Yep. I think they'll just per pretend like it never happened.
00:13:14
Jordan
I agree. And I think that's kind of where I think they kind of allude to that in Deadpool Wolverine and like the way the that Deadpool kind of sets everything straight and like kind of getting out of this, you know, they can just kind of go into it and not have to like have any sort of explanation of what happened to Kang.
00:13:37
zbranum
Okay, now zooming out, getting corporate with this a little bit. Do you think they're doing it to leave the door open potentially for a Robert Downey Jr. comeback in the sense that maybe Jonathan Majors in the future can be redeemed in return to the character? Or do you think they're just, A, we're not dealing with this now, we got a villain, we're gonna go down this path and then figure this shit out later?
00:14:05
Andrew
Yeah, well, I think they already figured it out. So at Loki season two, it ends up with Loki being the one at the end, controlling the master timeline.
00:14:13
Jordan
Right.
00:14:14
Andrew
And so at that point, you really don't need Kang anymore. You can just hand wave it away as Loki is now controlling the timeline.
00:14:23
zbranum
Yeah, but, you know, I would I guess my thing is like diehard fans are following along. Sure. But the average kind of and and I don't want to say uninitiated, but the fans who are just watching the movies and not really watching the shows, how did they get that closure or does it just not matter? Do you think you think they're just full steam ahead?
00:14:48
Andrew
I know, I mean, they'll probably, they'll probably do what what they did with the Fu Manchu, right? So, because they completely fucked up Fu Manchu in Iron Man 3 and upset the entire fan base. When they had to Fu Manchu actually just be an English actor, right? Played by Ben Kingsley. And they kind of redeemed the character by having Fu Manchu come back in with Sheng Chi. Uh, being his father and then quickly got rid of them. So I'm not saying they're going to get rid of King, but there's a lot of different things they could do. They could have variants. They can have all sorts of different things. And then.
00:15:28
Andrew
They can isolate the entire universe. They they could do like you know a quick fan service thing to kind of put Kang off to the side. And then you know Marvel's could be going around until forever with this stuff. like They could revisit the character in 20 years. They could completely do actor when everyone's forgot about Jonathan Majors.
Deadpool's MCU Integration
00:15:47
zbranum
What say you, Jordan?
00:15:52
Jordan
I think that the best course is what they're running with is, you know, the general audience, they're just gonna, you know, let them figure it out. I personally, I'm definitely not as much as a comic book fan. I wouldn't even label myself a comic book fan anymore. Not that I don't like them. I just kind of as I grew up, they weren't a hobby of mine anymore. But like as a kid and a teenager, I read a lot of Wolverine and Fantastic Four, Deadpool, Daredevil, all that stuff.
00:16:29
Andrew
Bye.
00:16:30
Jordan
And as far as like threats go and whatnot, and kind of dabbling in secret wars, I just don't find I never did find Kang to be a villain that got me excited. I always thought after Thanos, the correct path forward would always lead to Galactus. And I feel that if anything, this was a huge course correct because Dr. Doom and Galactus are the two biggest baddest motherfuckers villain wise, when it comes to Marvel and like, we're getting the two heaviest hitters within the next couple years.
00:17:11
zbranum
So Kang is going to be relegated to a speed bump in the MCU, you think? That's kind of where this is going. I liked Kang a lot.
00:17:21
Jordan
Yeah.
00:17:22
zbranum
Maybe that's why I'm harping on this. I liked i like the performance he had in Ant-Man. I thought that was the only redeeming aspect of that film. Loki season one built up the intrigue, the mystique of the character for me. i was really Yeah, captured by his performance, you know, this kind of know it all, end all, be all, being. So I was excited to see where, you know, it was going. I'm super pumped for Doom, though. Big time and Galactus, I think that would be super cool. But yeah, man, I do me being kind of I would say maybe an average
00:18:07
zbranum
or moderately engaged with the source material on the TV shows and whatnot kind of viewer, I am looking for a little bit more direct closure on the character. So hopefully they address it. I think it'd be cool if they did have Doom come in and, you know, kill him or or do the the famous kind of strip out of the comic where he kills Thanos to establish his power at the beginning of his character introduction. But If not, I won't be hurt or anything like that. But I'm still looking for something there, I think.
00:18:45
Jordan
yeah i'm not sure if they'll ever address it that's it's it's definitely interesting i didn't even that didn't cross my mind like preparing to talk about this either because like Deadpool did such a good job of just kind of like fuck it like that's not even in the back of my mind anymore it's been taken out lobotomized whatever the Deadpool Wolverine literally did what it set out to do and it reset Marvel.
00:19:21
zbranum
Do you guys have any theories or have you been reading anything on the internet about kind of, I guess, how do you think Deadpool and or Wolverine, I imagine they're going to bring Hugh Jackman back. but I mean, the movie is doing so good, so well, the money it's making. I think this sends a signal to Hollywood that R-rated films can perform well, that audiences are mature enough to see R-rated films.
00:19:46
Jordan
Yeah.
00:19:49
zbranum
But do you think, what do you think they're going to do with the two characters or even just Deadpool? How do you think he fits in to the MCU moving forward? Because he's not in the sacred timeline, right? At least that was what I took away from the film. All of the Fox Marvel characters that we saw growing up in the X-Men films, you know, first-class Days of Future Past, all that all that body of work under Fox isn't in the sacred timeline. It's in another universe, right?
00:20:23
Jordan
Well, I believe this is where I'm kind of confused with it, because I if I remember correctly, the Fantastic Four movie is not going to be the MCU timeline that we're used to. But with Deadpool meeting with Happy Hogan and trying to join the Avengers, I believe that Deadpool is part of the MCU universe that we've like. Had established. That was my take, at least.
00:20:54
zbranum
yeah i'm not sure because
00:20:55
Andrew
So they established it pretty strong. I'm not sure how how familiar you guys are with Nexus beings. They called it anchor being in the movie. But if you become like when you have an anchor being in a timeline, that is part of like the way that Loki set up the new rules is you don't have like a single secret timeline anymore.
00:21:15
zbranum
Yeah,
00:21:18
Andrew
the The universes are allowed to branch off again, but you have to have an anchor being or a Nexus being to keep that timeline established.
00:21:20
zbranum
I'm not sure.
00:21:25
Andrew
So by Deadpool, kind of hinted at the end that he was the new anchor being of his his timeline. And that itself causes it to become part of like the main MCU timeline. Like all these branches are all part of the same timeline now.
00:21:43
Jordan
Yeah, that makes sense.
00:21:45
zbranum
Hmm. So what they kind of intertwine here and there.
00:21:49
Andrew
Yeah, they intertwine a lot. And so like, the The concept of like a Nexus being, it's just it's like a person that has the ability to alter the probability of their timeline and to keep that timeline established. And so as long as these different timelines are still going strong with strong characters and those characters don't die off, then it's all part of like the same universe, if that makes sense.
00:22:15
zbranum
I'm not following. So like if how how would Deadpool and Wolverine, who saved his timeline, spoiler, sorry, saves it, goes back to it, right, and brings Wolverine with him. Everyone's doing great. They said, hey, you're regenerating this timeline. It was decaying. It's all good. If he wanted to engage with the versions of the Avengers that we've seen in what, Earth 616, the sacred timeline, how does he interact with them? Does he
00:22:49
zbranum
They're not in his world, right? He would have to leave his timeline to go interact with them or...
00:22:54
Andrew
Yeah, and so that's all connected via America. I think that's her name. She's a hero that has the ability to transfer to different timelines.
00:23:02
zbranum
And she's the only version of herself, right?
00:23:03
Andrew
You saw that and she, yeah, she's only version of herself, but there's a lot of different methods.
00:23:05
zbranum
In the whole multiverse.
00:23:10
Andrew
You can you do you could do it with her powers. You can do it with technology. There's all all sorts of different ways to move in between the timelines.
00:23:20
zbranum
Okay, but it does require moving between, right? It's not like Deadpool's going to run into Captain America as we know him running around in his own universe, right?
00:23:23
Andrew
Yeah.
00:23:32
Andrew
No, no. So a lot of the storylines they have going back, you have these like meta stories, right? So you have characters from different timelines that are branched off, different versions, and they'll, you know, they'll be like a main person. It could be like the the watcher. It could be Loki now, who's at the end of the timeline, who will basically go in and grab important people from different timelines to go and conquer some kind of villain that's going to address all the timelines.
00:24:05
zbranum
Interesting. Okay. I see it. I see. So there is potential moving forward for further team ups to take down Galactus and or Doom with people from different timelines, jumping around doing stuff.
00:24:17
Andrew
Yeah. Exactly. And they foreshadowed that when they had Deadpool on the ground with Thor crying over him.
00:24:27
Jordan
Yeah. That seemed more important than like some of it let on almost. so I'm wondering what what they kind of put that in there for.
00:24:36
Andrew
yeah Yeah, because we yeah we all got so hyped, but we forgot that when he initially got brought into the timeline, and they said they're going to like the reason The whole plot line happened is that they were like, we're bringing you in for something that's more important than yourself. And then we're also going to rip up your universe at the same time, or your timeline. And so he went and just fought the ripping apart, but we still didn't see why Deadpool is important to the story.
00:25:04
zbranum
True, yeah.
00:25:04
Andrew
We have to remember the TVA, the TVA can see all the timelines, right?
00:25:04
Jordan
Yeah.
00:25:07
Andrew
So they can see what's gonna happen in the future. There's different degrees of it. Like Loki can see all these different events and understand how they all play do we get into each other. So Deadpool doing all those things while it was a important for him to keep his timeline going, he still hasn't like fulfilled his Marvel Jesus.
R-Rated Superhero Movies
00:25:27
zbranum
So, I mean, story wise, sounds like they definitely need to keep pulling Deadpool into shit, you know, movies, whatever, drive the plot forward. But business wise, Ryan Reynolds just made them a bunch of money, man. They better get wise and use him as much as they can.
00:25:49
Andrew
Yeah, yeah, they will. They'll, uh, I mean, look at, we're still milking Wolverine, right?
00:25:54
zbranum
Yeah. Well, you know, how much did Ant-Man make?
00:25:56
Andrew
Yeah.
00:25:58
zbranum
Ant-Man made, what, 400 million?
00:26:01
Andrew
yeah Amen bombs.
00:26:01
zbranum
Or maybe I'm thinking the the Marvels. Maybe the Marvels was even less than that.
00:26:08
zbranum
That's insane for a Marvel film. To be under sub 500 million worldwide, that's insane. And this movie, they did 500 mil, what, the first week in worldwide? wasn't or damn near close to it 496 and rated R that has to that I would hope that the executives at Disney and Marvel are sitting there course correcting based on the audience reception to Deadpool Wolverine you know going okay
00:26:23
Andrew
Yeah, I put the first weekend and rated R.
00:26:45
zbranum
We the people came out. It's a larger barrier to to clear right on our rated film. But people still did it and they outperformed our last two movies we put out. That says something.
00:26:59
Andrew
Yeah, uh, it paid more than so quantum media made 476 million worldwide.
00:27:05
zbranum
Mm hmm.
00:27:05
Andrew
This entire entire run.
00:27:06
zbranum
Yep.
00:27:08
Andrew
Yeah.
00:27:09
zbranum
It did that in the weekend, an opening weekend more than that.
00:27:09
Andrew
Deadpool cleared that. Yeah. Yeah. Opening weekend. And that's like, and the biggest thing is that I think Marvel gets 90% of the box office receipts for opening weekend and. every weekend it goes down like 10%. So movies that have long legs, they might rack up the numbers, but they're only pulling in like 50% of the box office receipts after like week five.
00:27:32
zbranum
Well, you know, kind of tying back to Comic Con, there was that Todd McFarlane panel, right, where he was given an update on King Spawn and there's there's a draft. The first draft of the script is ready for King Spawn. He said the next step, you know, they get a director attached and then they Once the the director is attached, there's that buzz there. They'll get their actors lined up, so on, so forth. But he was saying during the panel, and this was Thursday, so the midday Thursday before the film actually opened, Deadpool and Wolverine, he was saying everyone in Hollywood is gonna be looking at how this movie does this weekend. And as soon as they see that it makes, it's R-rated and it makes a huge amount of money
00:28:24
zbranum
The door is going to open. The floodgates will open for movies like King Spawn, you know, R-rated comic source material, mature audience. they can make money and there could be a whole new, you know, Renaissance, if you will, of these types of films. And, you know, I don't want to move too far away from Deadpool Wolverine, but he teased like a spawn cinematic universe, right? Where he he was saying, whatever kind of story you want to tell, you can tell it within the spawn universe. So that was kind of cool to see, first off, to see him in person,
00:29:01
zbranum
you know, the creator spawn to hear him talk, but also kind of tie into this broader shift in the industry that could be coming. So I thought that was interesting. I don't know if you guys have thoughts on that, but I think he is vindicated, right? You know, they're that the movement on on King Spawn is probably picking up like crazy this past week.
00:29:26
Jordan
i i want to get in on that but yeah i think we'll definitely get away from the deadpool wolverine if i open up on that panel
00:29:33
zbranum
knock Let's go there. Let's go there. Come on. I want to hear it.
00:29:37
Jordan
i to keep it in theme with what we're currently talking about is I think, and we were talking about this via text too, is I think that Deadpool and Wolverine, as we've already said, is now setting the tone and is finally getting Disney and Marvel to realize you are not catering to like kids and families and whatnot. It's a bunch of nerds who grew up with this
00:30:10
Jordan
And it's all adults now. like We want to see comic accurate films. And Marvel Comics, Spawn Comics, DC Comics. like Look at Lobo. Lobo comics are fucking gruesome. And Wolverine comics too. You can't have claws made out of like the most durable metal in existence and not just be hacking people to pieces. And I think this movie is finally proving to them that there is a cash cow per se, because that's how they like to look at things in rated R comic movies. And I hope that with that King spawn can be great because I was a foolish child and thought the original spawn movie was amazing. And then I rewatch that shit. And I will never get that hour and 30 minutes of my life back.
00:31:05
zbranum
Hey, don't you say that I liked that movie, but I haven't watched in maybe 12, 15 years.
00:31:09
Jordan
yeah Yeah, go watch it.
00:31:10
Andrew
you Don't, don't, don't, don't watch it, please. Don't, don't do it. Don't do it to yourself.
00:31:15
Jordan
It's so bad.
00:31:15
Andrew
Please don't, please, please, please don't.
00:31:15
zbranum
Don't destroy this beautiful memory I have. You know, I might have to that way next episode I can report back on whether I'm traumatized or not.
00:31:26
Andrew
So yeah, the CGI is some of the worst you'll ever see.
00:31:27
Jordan
It's it's a lot.
00:31:31
zbranum
So, okay. On the King Spawn topic or Spawn in general, are i I think you guys have read more comics than I have. At least that's what I've gathered over the years. How do you guys feel about a Spawn cinematic universe? Do you think there's a lot of potential there? Is that exciting? Are you excited? Maybe not. Cautious?
00:31:52
Jordan
That's where I was scared to go into because in the panel, uh, I got a little bit of a half chub, when, uh, cause not only was Todd McFarlane in this panel, but, uh, David Dastmalchian, I don't know how to say his last name. he played polka dot man in suicide squad. He was up there with Todd McFarlane. And he made a cute little mention of him being interested in a Sam and Twitch show.
00:32:22
Jordan
And Sam and Twitch are part of the Spawn universe.
00:32:23
zbranum
What's same in Twitch?
00:32:28
Jordan
They're like a duo. And if I remember correctly, they're either like private detectives or something like that. And they were their essentially main characters in spawn and they even had a big role in the original HBO animated series. And like there's so much stuff that can be done with spawn with Sam and twitch with the violator. Just i I want that world.
00:32:55
Andrew
Yeah, 100% man. that um'm I'm down for more homicide detective paranormal type stuff, you know, give me the Constantine vibes.
00:33:04
Jordan
Yeah.
00:33:06
zbranum
I, okay, thank you. I was just about to say that like me, and maybe I'm naive, I don't know enough about Spawn, but I have looked at Spawn as kind of being able to recreate that Constantine vibe. I loved Constantine. I always wanted a sequel. I wanted more in that world. And I was actually, before you said that, Andrew, I was gonna ask, if you think this could replicate that. So I think we're right on the same page.
00:33:39
Andrew
Yeah. Uh, no, a hundred percent. Yes. There's so much you can do with the spawn universe as the same dirty gritty feeling as Constantine. Uh, I just don't think that I know everyone's excited about the Deadpool Wolverine buddy, but I, we forget that, you know, Deadpool won me $800 million on a $40 billion dollars budget. I don't think anyone's going to learn their lesson and start green lighting our rated projects because of this.
00:34:05
zbranum
I don't know, man. I mean, King Spawn is is coming up next. I mean, they're saying 2025 release Jamie Foxx potentially is going to star. I mean, that's that's awesome.
00:34:17
Andrew
Yeah, but they can't get it. They still can't get a studio back or low.
00:34:22
zbranum
I thought Blumhouse was doing it. No?
00:34:24
Jordan
Yeah, Blumhouse is doing it.
00:34:25
zbranum
Aren't they producing it? Yeah.
00:34:27
Andrew
Is that what they said?
00:34:28
Jordan
They announced that at the panel.
00:34:28
zbranum
And Jason Blum.
00:34:28
Andrew
I'm looking here. It's just that they have a have a script and no funding.
00:34:33
Jordan
You might have been taking a cat nap.
00:34:37
Andrew
no I'm reading his the recap right now.
00:34:37
zbranum
Yeah,
00:34:40
zbranum
yeah no, I'm pretty sure Blumhouse is going to be engaged in producing it.
00:34:45
Jordan
Yeah, I sent the I sent the article to you guys like a week ago.
00:34:47
Andrew
yeah
00:34:49
Andrew
But I did, a for those who were listening, I did fall asleep during the panel.
00:34:54
zbranum
He did, he did.
00:34:56
Jordan
Did indeed.
00:34:57
zbranum
Catnap, yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure, and I mean, Blumhouse, they've been doing, I mean, I love horror, as I've said many times. I think that's in good hands, man, if they do indeed produce this flick. Like, I'm pumped. I'm pumped. I think I, maybe I'm an optimist, but I think Deadpool and Wolverine is gonna make, the thing is that, Okay, Andrew, I completely understand where you're coming from, but let's add in a little bit of context, right? Deadpool, the original 800 mil, 40 million budget,
00:35:35
zbranum
That sent the signal that R-rated films sure can make money, but PG, PG-13 movies were making even more money at the time, right? The the broader MCU was still doing fantastic. You just had two stinkers, two shit films released by Marvel that did nowhere near what Deadpool and Wolverine did in opening weekend, as we said. I think that
00:36:01
Jordan
Right.
00:36:03
zbranum
They've been shitting their pants for the past year. You know, people all superhero fatigue, all of this shit. I think what this movie actually says is no, people aren't tired of superhero movies. They're tired of the same cookie cutter bullshit. that you're packaging and putting out there, we want, as Jordan said, stuff that's close to the material. We want the more mature storytelling. We're not eight, nine years old. I mean, there are certainly that's an audience that comes to these films. But, you know, I grew up watching Iron Man, the first one, 2008. I was in high school.
00:36:38
zbranum
And now I'm a grown man still following along MCU. My tastes have changed as I've grown up and watch movies. I still love tons of stuff I love back then. But if you're trying to give me the same stuff you were producing in 2008, 2014, you know, now here in 2024, that's gonna that's problematic for me. I mean, I was getting tired of it. And now I'm coming out of, you know, Deadpool Wolverine excited again. And I'm sure there are a lot of people like me who are feeling that same feeling.
00:37:12
zbranum
So if they move away, and they they go, okay, yeah, great, people still want this, and they go back to what they're doing before, I think we ended up back in the the spot we were in a year ago, when Ant-Man dropped.
00:37:23
Jordan
Yep.
00:37:24
Andrew
Yeah, I completely agree that you guys are 100% right about the context and it should be that decision. I'm just looking back at like, like a perfect example would be like where I'm coming from is the Batman made the new Batman right with Pattinson. That made like $775 million, PG-13 and it's Batman, you know, it's DC's tentpole character. And it made less than the R rated Joker in 2019, which made over a billion on a $55 million dollars budget. and that was our our our rated movie. So there's been all these times where our rated has proven that people want these more mature stories and we just haven't seen the industry shift into that gear. So maybe this will be like that that moment where we hit that threshold and we go into it, but it it's just like we've constantly seen that these mature stories do really well and they bring a lot of people into the sea into the movie theater and it just doesn't happen.
00:38:22
Jordan
I think to add to what Zach's saying and how I feel too, is I think that this is a perfect storm. I think everything, I think in this situation, in this time, right here, right now, the planets are aligning. Because with Joker and Batman, I would also argue that people were in the fatigue. The DC Cinematic Universe was ass. And I just don't think people really had
00:38:52
Jordan
it in them to go see the new Batman film like they are with Deadpool and Wolverine.
00:38:58
Jordan
Especially, you know, coming fresh off. Horrible. Batfleck that we had to deal with for a bit and also just like Zach was saying, like, you know, they were kind of I think even if I mentioned that Deadpool and Wolverine is kind of like a make or break for them, like this is like this is the final hour.
00:39:04
Andrew
good
00:39:21
Jordan
And with that moving forward, I think they'll finally see like, you know, we need to make maybe not every movie rated R, but it needs to be in the rotation as much as PG-13 would be. Cause I honestly would say that if secret wars is not rated R, I will already have concerns. so
00:39:45
zbranum
man that's that's a statement that i wasn't even thinking about whether they'd be bold enough to r-rate one of the avengers films i don't think they have to balls personally should they yes will they i don't i don't think so the avengers man i mean they got him i mean they have deadpool at uh california adventure now so i i guess that's saying something right i mean he's running around cracking jokes that are mature so
00:39:54
Jordan
Right.
00:40:02
Jordan
Because Yeah.
00:40:15
zbranum
It's not impossible, but damn, man, I just think Avengers, that's so like corporate cookie cutter. Yay, we're Disney and here are the Avengers. You know, like, I don't I mean, i it would be badass and R rated Avengers.
00:40:28
Jordan
but you just, it has to be, you can't bring in Dr.
00:40:33
zbranum
I'd be so down for that.
00:40:38
Jordan
Doom and pussyfoot around. He is a goddamn menace. We literally get to see him at points fucking disembowel Thanos. Like it has to be it has to be rated R. I will be so upset if it's not. And there's i there's so much that can happen because like i believe there's a comic, it's Deadpool's Secret Secret Wars, which I'm not sure if it ties in, but like Deadpool and Doctor Doom have their shit. Deadpool, he's part of it.
00:41:12
Jordan
and
00:41:15
Jordan
I'm just I, I don't know how they could continue the importance of Deadpool, which I feel like they have alluded to and make him a PG 13 character. Give him one F bomb in a movie. There's no fucking way.
00:41:29
Andrew
Man, I don't think they have the balls.
00:41:32
Jordan
Well, they need to nut the fuck up.
00:41:32
Andrew
i yeah think I think you're right, but I don't think they'll do it.
00:41:37
Jordan
Yeah, I agree. I don't think that they will.
00:41:42
zbranum
But do they need to?
00:41:42
Jordan
But if any of you motherfuckers are listening to this exact podcast for the love of God.
00:41:43
zbranum
Yes, they do.
00:41:49
zbranum
Start a petition. Start a petition.
00:41:53
zbranum
We want our rated Avengers.
00:41:53
Andrew
If you're one of the 22 people,
00:41:56
zbranum
We want it now.
00:41:56
Jordan
That's right.
00:41:58
Andrew
Man, that would be fucking sick though, wouldn't it?
00:42:00
zbranum
We should do like we should get a social media campaign going. Just beating that drum. It won't work. and No one will care. But we'll care.
00:42:12
zbranum
It's just print out like buttons, you know make buttons hand them out at the park here That would be cool that actually be cool we Andrew and I talked to a guy At comic-con on the floor.
00:42:19
Jordan
good at the next Comic Con.
00:42:28
zbranum
We said hey, how much was your booth, right? And he said what Andrew like for grand he paid to have the booth, right?
00:42:36
Andrew
yeah
00:42:38
zbranum
And he was selling stuff and doing whatever and
00:42:38
Andrew
yeah
00:42:41
zbranum
You know, it looked like he was having a good time. It would be cool to get a booth for the study pipe at comic-con and sit there and demand in our rated Avengers film. I'd spend four grand on that.
00:42:57
Andrew
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right. I'll throw in. We can split that price three ways and just fucking only have it be like we want our rated Avengers.
00:43:05
zbranum
Yeah. No, I'm not selling you anything. I don't care. Maybe we don't even put branding or anything. Just our rated Avengers film.
00:43:12
Andrew
Yeah.
00:43:14
zbranum
We want it now.
00:43:16
Jordan
We should have we should have like shirts or merch or something so that they can buy that with the message and then go to Hall H with that shit.
00:43:24
zbranum
Yeah.
00:43:25
Jordan
And make those fuckers see it in person.
00:43:29
zbranum
We should take so, you know, you charge 20 bucks for sure to whatever it is. Use the funds, the revenue to pay for the cost of getting everything put together, the shirts, whatever, and all the other money, the profit that remains, use that to take out ads, whether it's billboards or newspapers or social media, whatever, just demanding R rated Avengers. So people or would be directly funding
00:44:04
zbranum
this push for, i I would be okay with PG-13 Doomsday, but give me R-rated Secret Wars.
00:44:12
Jordan
Right. You, like I said, some PG 13, some rated R give and take.
00:44:19
zbranum
That's the only way you're gonna top in-game. Think about it, think about it.
00:44:24
Jordan
name Dude, my my parents just went and saw Deadpool and Wolverine and they said this dad took his two sons that were maybe five or six years old and watch that movie.
00:44:24
Andrew
yeah
00:44:37
Jordan
Like
00:44:37
zbranum
Good for him, good for them.
00:44:38
Andrew
Dude
00:44:38
Jordan
Give it give it up. Give it to the parents to make that decision motherfuckers. I don't need the execs to make it for me Yeah, I was nine years old playing manhunt My mom was pissed but
00:44:47
Andrew
100% man, I was nine years old when I saw the matrix.
00:44:51
zbranum
Dude, I was nine years old playing Grand Theft Auto, you know what I mean?
00:44:52
Andrew
I That was still one of my favorite experiences ever.
00:44:57
zbranum
Like, it's okay.
00:45:04
zbranum
Rockstar raised a bunch of kids. Rockstar, man. Still the GOAT gaming studio. Still the GOAT to this day.
00:45:16
Jordan
Yeah, it's you know, I had a feeling that this podcast was probably gonna go off the rails But yeah, like when I think when I when I'm thinking about Deadpool Wolverine everything and blade I don't know if all blade movies are rated R but I love those fucking movies saw those as a kid and
00:45:22
zbranum
He usually does.
00:45:38
zbranum
They have to be, right?
00:45:40
Jordan
Yeah, the first one is for sure.
00:45:40
Andrew
Yeah, they're rated R.
00:45:42
zbranum
Yeah, I was going to say the first one was graphic.
00:45:42
Andrew
Oh, second one, second second one especially, man. Second one was even more graphic, had the, their entire mouths would open up and yeah.
00:45:48
Jordan
Yeah, that's true.
00:45:48
zbranum
Yeah.
00:45:52
Jordan
Yeah, that was gnarly. yeah And like, they, they don't, they're not just Disney Marvel anymore. They've acquired all these fucking studios. It's, you know, and, you know, another good example for this.
00:46:09
zbranum
Yeah, all three are rated R, by the way.
00:46:12
zbranum
I just checked.
00:46:12
Jordan
Sweet, I figured as much three three could have gotten away with PG 13 I feel but then I remember people exploded in that shit. But I think a good example even is how well x man 97 is doing that is a very like dark, emotional And at times graphic don't even get me started on episode five, like traumatizing shit. And it's doing phenomenal for an animated cartoon. Like the the proof is in the pudding. Like it's time to move forward with the dark tones and the violence.
X-Men '97 and Comic Nostalgia
00:46:56
zbranum
Yeah, and to interject, speaking of X-Men 97 and the animated series, Andrew and I sat in on that panel at Comic-Con, where they had the original voice actors, directors, showrunner for the animated series that ran from 92 to 97. And then, of course, the new director and voice actors for the X-Men 97 show. And they were talking about that.
00:47:24
Andrew
you
00:47:25
zbranum
like It's so well received. People love it. They love 97. They're excited about kind of what they're going to be able to do moving forward because of the reception.
00:47:33
Jordan
Mm hmm.
00:47:35
zbranum
So I'm i'm super pumped about that. I am now inspired to go back and rewatch the animated series on Disney Plus. So I'll probably be cranking through that, you know, all five seasons here over the next couple of months. And we'll definitely be interested in talking about it on the podcast because That panel was cool, man. It was cool to hear you know the guy who scored the opening X-Men theme song was there. He did the Power Rangers.
00:48:08
Jordan
That was awesome.
00:48:08
zbranum
The the original Power Rangers score and he was cool.
00:48:09
Andrew
Yeah, that was cool.
00:48:12
zbranum
I think Ron Ron Weiserman or something like that he was super cool and talked about you know the process behind that and how he I think he said it was either x-men or Power Rangers that he basically sat down and cranked through it pretty quickly and I cared about it and
00:48:16
Andrew
Wasserman.
00:48:34
zbranum
but it was more focused on a film he was working on. So he kind of like just shit it out quick and then went back to this film that he was working on. I can't remember the film. It was a big film though. I knew it when he said it, but he's more well known for like the theme songs than that film, which is funny.
00:48:52
Jordan
Yeah.
00:48:54
Andrew
yeah know that is yeah and i think it was i think I think the X-Men, they had to come together really fast. So they talked about a song coming together fast and then the opening animation being done over that weekend. And yeah, what was the movie he was talking about?
00:49:10
zbranum
I can't remember, but even seeing the director of the X-Men animated series, the the first, he talked as Andrew said, he talked about drawing like that opening sequence over a weekend or something like the whole intro that sequence he turned that around pretty quick too and it was cool hearing how he like went through that process and the new director for the x-men 97 he said that the way they got their color
00:49:43
zbranum
palette for the new show. How they got it correct is that the director from the old show had archives of stuff laying around like his personal collection with the original colors from the show that he brought into the studio and they were able to match like the source material to match the colors between the two series. I thought that was really cool. It was like by chance if he didn't have it, they would have had to sit there and like recreate the whole color scheme for the show.
00:50:13
Andrew
Yeah, that's that's big. And those are like the little details that you hear about like way later. And it turns out that they were like you know really big, unexpected ways to get like a consistency in quality. like He just happened to have that color palette just laying around in a storage container.
00:50:33
zbranum
wild wild and he was so like nonchalant about it too he's like oh yeah yeah i had it you know here it was it's like dude you have like pieces of history like we grew up saturday morning watching that show back in the day you know oh he did spongebob square pants too nice
00:50:36
Jordan
The.
00:50:51
Andrew
I know.
00:50:51
Jordan
the The fact that they made that opening
00:50:55
Andrew
He also did a Dragon Ball Z.
00:50:59
Jordan
Did he really?
00:51:01
Andrew
Yes, yeah.
00:51:01
zbranum
Yeah, background music for the original English dub version of the first 53 episodes.
00:51:04
Jordan
Oh, I think the craziest thing is the fact that the animator I can't remember his name. That was curating the first half of that panel did the opening to x man in a weekend. that they he literally just had that weekend to get that done and ended up creating one of the most like iconic openers.
00:51:30
zbranum
Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. that he He was the director of all episodes, too.
00:51:36
Jordan
Yeah.
00:51:37
zbranum
Like, thats that's insane. What's his name? His name is... Let me find it.
00:51:45
zbranum
He was a boss. Oh, man.
00:51:48
zbranum
I'm gonna have to look look for it. he's he I think he directed all 70 episodes, 76 episodes.
00:52:00
zbranum
I don't know. Regardless, it a ignited my interest, reignited it in the original series. And it reminded me, you know, growing up, I had all the action figures like, you know, Wolverine Cyclops from the show back in the day. And those were like the coolest action figures I think I ever had, man, growing up, you know.
00:52:24
Jordan
Yeah, except for my spawn costume as a kid. My other costume was Wolverine directly from the animated series. Like that. Seeing that was just seeing that and Todd McFarland man was just wild. And like getting back into the Deadpool Wolverine stuff, too, like I feel and even you reading comic books and like getting into Doctor Doom, like I want to go out and buy fucking comic books again now and I want to
00:52:50
zbranum
Mm hmm.
00:52:52
Jordan
like, catch up and refamiliarize myself with secret wars and shit.
00:52:57
zbranum
Yeah, I'm going to read the whole Secret Wars like Ron. I'm going to I have it bookmarked. I signed it. You see, Comic Con and Deadpool Wolverine got me to sign up for Marvel Unlimited, 10 bucks a month.
00:53:12
Jordan
Yeah.
00:53:14
zbranum
And I like I said, I chewed through probably like 200 pages of comics on that first day. I bookmarked Secret Wars. So I'm going to get cultured before this next run of Avengers films. Larry Houston is the name of the director and producer of the X-Men animated show. He moderated the panel and he was a boss, Larry Houston.
00:53:37
Jordan
Yeah.
00:53:42
zbranum
Shout out to him. And I guess shout out to him for making our childhoods so cool.
00:53:44
Jordan
Yeah, he was amazing.
00:53:48
Jordan
Right.
00:53:50
zbranum
Dude, Spider-Man to Spider-Man, the show back in the day, like that was my intro to comics because I didn't have comics growing up. It was watching the Spider-Man TV show from 94. and the X-Men animated series, you know, that style of like animation too, like I have a a fondness, special place in my heart for that to this day.
00:54:17
Andrew
Yo. You're going to have even more fun this when do you go back and watch the X-Men show?
00:54:24
Jordan
Yeah Love that movie
00:54:24
Andrew
Because like so because I think I remember if we talked about this out last weekend where do you you guys like X-Men Days of Future Past, right?
00:54:32
zbranum
No, I love Days of Future Past. I think that's the best one they made.
00:54:34
Andrew
So I think and it's a remake of episode 11 and 12 of the X-Men animated show.
00:54:42
zbranum
Really?
00:54:44
Andrew
Yep.
00:54:45
zbranum
Damn, OK, I'm I'm officially everyone. I'm I'm officially slacking and I will make good on rewatching the show.
00:54:56
zbranum
I'm committing to doing that right here right now. Hey, is the Spider-Man show the animated series?
00:55:00
Jordan
It's fantastic. And there's a nice little surprise in the x expense show, though.
00:55:02
zbranum
Is it on Disney Plus or is that still controlled by Sony? Do we know?
00:55:07
Andrew
I think that's still Sony.
00:55:09
zbranum
Really?
00:55:14
zbranum
but
00:55:14
Andrew
Oh, yeah.
00:55:14
Jordan
That's all that's all I'm gonna say.
00:55:15
Andrew
yeah that We got to talk about that. We got to talk about all the how they did the cameos when he was like all the cameos in the X-Men show are illegal.
00:55:23
Jordan
Yeah, none of them were allowed.
00:55:24
zbranum
Oh yeah, he did say that, yeah.
00:55:26
Andrew
Yeah, you didn't.
00:55:27
Jordan
Yeah.
00:55:28
zbranum
He did, I remember that.
00:55:29
Jordan
They just rename it to like random names or.
00:55:31
Andrew
Mutant numbers do. Yeah, like Black Panther because he didn't have permission.
00:55:33
Jordan
Yeah.
00:55:35
Andrew
He's like you have to get it by to the execs and the execs wanted like every cameo to be like, you know, marked and approved and all that kind of stuff. So take bypass it for the show. If they want to like Black Panther, they would just say African mutant number three.
00:55:51
Jordan
Yeah.
00:55:51
Andrew
Like that was like literally the name of Black Panther and.
00:55:54
zbranum
And they wouldn't be paying attention and they just moved past it. It was so it was funny.
00:55:58
Andrew
Yeah, they just signed off on it.
00:55:59
Jordan
Which is even more funny that the new director of 97 was talking about how there's an entire team dedicated to catching that shit now.
00:56:09
zbranum
Yeah, yep.
00:56:09
Jordan
And it's much more scrutinized.
00:56:12
zbranum
That that panel is great and.
Top Comic-Con Moments
00:56:14
zbranum
you know the The only panel that I thought was better, like the best panel from Comic-Con, was the Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes panel. that was That was cool. To see Proxima Caesar in person, Kevin Duran, and he you know he did the voice talking about how they did the visual effects, the mocap suits. You know you had, what's his name? Owen Teague, I think, who played Noah.
00:56:44
zbranum
Uh, is it Freya Allen, the, the lady who, the human lady that they kind of rescue.
00:56:49
Andrew
Yeah, Freya.
00:56:51
zbranum
yeah, they, man, they, that was cool. It was cool to see them live in person. I think we were in the second row of the the auditorium or the the meeting room. And so we were close. We got to see him, you know, ape it up. That was awesome. And I love the planet of the apes movies.
00:57:11
Andrew
Oh, they're so good.
00:57:11
Jordan
Yeah, I just like that we got to be proximuses little crowd of apes with him.
00:57:13
Andrew
The new one was so good.
00:57:19
zbranum
Yeah, that was cool. he So he recreated the what a wonderful day like scene and the audience members in the meeting room. We all got to say it back to him. That was cool.
00:57:33
Andrew
Yeah that was so cool.
00:57:35
zbranum
That's a highlight for sure. So okay, maybe we dive in deeper in another episode, maybe we don't, but what are your top three favorite moments of San Diego Comic Con?
00:57:51
Jordan
I think to start Comic Con and Deadpool Wolverine, I think is going to be a like a three parter. But going into my favorite things with Comic Con, I would say the Planet of the Apes panel would definitely be one of them. Just like getting to see how much went into that film, and especially Kevin Durant. I see is that his name?
00:58:21
zbranum
Durand, there's a D, not the Phoenix Suns basketball player.
00:58:22
Andrew
coming to read dear
00:58:24
Jordan
yeah Yeah, right.
00:58:27
Andrew
the
00:58:28
Jordan
Seeing his performance before they put VFX over it has yet again shown me what an incredible actor he is. And I don't know how he's not in more like higher level films.
00:58:42
zbranum
Man, the emotion on his face, right?
00:58:44
Andrew
Cover the red.
00:58:45
Jordan
Yeah, it's wild.
00:58:45
zbranum
Wasn't that wild?
00:58:47
Andrew
I had so much more respect.
00:58:47
Jordan
And he's like just so passionate about it.
00:58:51
Jordan
So yeah, Planet of the Apes panel. A huge one for me was seeing all those first issue comics going for like $25,000. Like seeing the original Spider Man right in front of my face was fucking wild.
00:59:09
zbranum
Yeah, that was crazy. I don't think I've ever seen a comic in person, a comic book that was 50 grand in person.
00:59:16
zbranum
That was the first time I'd ever seen that.
00:59:17
Jordan
yeah yeah it was absolutely crazy and uh i'm kind of surprised that my brain like popped that into my top three but i guess it really stuck with me the other one man was all the Romulus hype, like the advertisements, the set pieces that were out on the floor that you could look at the announcements or just what came out of the panel. It has me so fucking excited for that movie. I cannot express it enough. Like how stoked I am for that film to release.
00:59:57
zbranum
Likewise, I'm pumped for Romulus.
01:00:00
zbranum
All right, Andrew, what are your top three?
01:00:00
Jordan
Yeah, so those would be my three.
01:00:03
Andrew
Oh man, my top three. All right. i I still think number one was when we were in the Robotech panel. And that we just randomly walked into. So Robotech is like this 1980s anime show. And it was huge. I guess I had a revival in the early 2000s, but it's kind of died down as intellectual property. But there's a bunch of diehard fans in this panel. and they get to the Q and&A point and this first guy goes up there and basically is like, Robotech used to be really good up until like the 2000s and it sucks now. Is it ever going to get good again?
01:00:45
zbranum
Yeah, it was that was ruthless. i turned Me and Andrew turned to each other and were like, oh my God. And you could see all the panelists like just devastated. That was that was some like alpha energy.
01:01:04
zbranum
First question, we're so glad you're here. What do you have for us? Why does your shit suck? And how are you going to make it better?
01:01:11
Andrew
yeah right I know I like to think of like my headcanon that he goes because they said they knew this guy's name was like Hank or Henry or something and They sounds like he asked a question at every comic-con that they go to I like to think that he just goes up there and asks that same question every single time
01:01:33
zbranum
Right.
01:01:36
Andrew
All right, second moment, definitely the Plan of the Apes panel. That was super sick. Big fan play of the Plan of the Apes, too.
Experiencing Comic-Con
01:01:44
Andrew
Number three was that first California burrito that we had.
01:01:49
Jordan
Oh my god.
01:01:49
zbranum
That was a good Cali burrito.
01:01:51
Andrew
It was so good.
01:01:51
zbranum
Have a school lunch, overcooked, wet, almost moist tortilla. It was bomb.
01:02:01
Andrew
And it hit the spot. like We were doing a lot of walking that day. I got the Cali Brito and energy drink and I was just like ready to go rest of the night.
01:02:10
zbranum
I think that yeah that's pretty good pretty pretty yeah good three top three I think for me yeah I'd agree Planet of the Apes has to be up there uh either one or two because seeing the actors in person talk about the making of the film I love all that behind the scenes you know hearing kind of what goes into the art to the production and then even seeing like the pre-vis and the early shots and all that it's fascinating to see kind of a peek behind the curtain right you know a look at the Wizard of Oz what's going on so
01:02:51
zbranum
I like that a lot. I think number two for me was meeting Sean Astin, Samwise Gamgee. Of course, I love Lord of the Rings. As you know, that was a huge like bucket list check item. It was cool. I don't really care about like celebrities and that kind of thing, but it was just cool to be like in the room, get a picture with the guy. Because that trilogy means a lot to me. The books mean a lot to me. yeah I watch Lord of the Rings all the time with my brother. We bond over that. so And he got a picture with him. It was a a photo we got together. So that was really cool, meant a lot. The third, oh man, what would three be?
01:03:42
zbranum
I don't know, I think i think three, like I just liked the feeling of walking around and just kind of knowing like, hey, you know all of the people who make these films, And you know this fandom, the the material that we consume and we love and we talk about it, we get hyped for. like They're all here. They're here in my home. I live in San Diego. They're here. They're a couple feet away from me behind a wall, whatever.
01:04:17
zbranum
and they're up moving around and you know everyone's excited people are doing stuff people are bustling you know moving around i just i love the atmosphere and i want to keep going back every year because of it you know it was it was awesome I'll tell you my number one most hated thing about Comic-Con, though. I don't know if it's about Comic-Con itself, but the management of Sony's booth on the exhibit floor with the boys' free t-shirts was the biggest bullshit I've ever seen. So that Sony Pictures TV, whatever they call themselves, they had a booth.
01:05:01
zbranum
where The Boys was featured, Twisted Metal and some other shows that they, Cobra Kai. But for The Boys, they were giving out free screen printed custom like Boys t-shirts that said San Diego Comic Con, you could pick what you wanted the front and back to look like. The line management for that booth, was there is no rhyme or reason people were just walking up getting access maybe not at all and we tried we fought the good fight i think between our group of four maybe all four of us asked at one point if we could get in there and we couldn't it was ridiculous it was arbitrary it wasn't fair but life isn't fair so i'll take my sorrows elsewhere yeah
01:05:44
Andrew
Dude, that guy was hanging out it was just handing out tickets to random people. like You'd see him handing out tickets for the shirts, and then you'd be like, hey, can I get a ticket? And he was basically like, fuck off, pleb. Get out of here. Why would you get a ticket?
01:05:59
zbranum
Yeah, he was power tripping, man. So on my anonymous survey feedback form for Comic Con, I tell them they need to get their line management under control.
01:06:11
Jordan
my anonymous feedback is going to be that everyone has to get swabbed with deodorant as they walk in a clean a clean ass wiping and immediate ejection from the event if you crop dust just straight body odor
01:06:19
zbranum
Oh, yeah, man.
01:06:19
Andrew
Because there's some belly people, man.
01:06:23
zbranum
Yeah, yeah.
01:06:29
zbranum
There's a lot of that going on for sure.
01:06:34
zbranum
You know, I was worried about some of this magic, the gathering activity where I'd be pulling up a seat to sit down and there'd be shit streaks on it.
01:06:34
Andrew
Yeah, my my bad, guys.
01:06:43
zbranum
You know what I'm saying?
01:06:45
Andrew
Oh, man.
01:06:46
zbranum
But luckily there was none of that.
01:06:49
Jordan
to As I was, this is the problem with my ADHD head. I can't believe I fucking forgot this. I have to put this out there. It has to be said and back to my top three. We're making it into top four. I, we met master fucking chief.
01:07:11
zbranum
Oh, yeah, man. how did There's so much good stuff.
01:07:12
Jordan
I shook that man's hand.
01:07:15
zbranum
It's hard to do a top three. Yes, Master Chief.
01:07:17
Jordan
It it is.
01:07:18
zbranum
Yes, we met him, shook him up. That's right.
01:07:22
Jordan
like I like the fact that I just even got to share with this dude who I have who is responsible for some of the best memories both me and my dad have together and like share that with him and be able to get my dad like a signed autograph of his is just fucking wild dude like he loved it man I guess my mom was saying that he was geeking about it
01:07:41
zbranum
How'd your dad like it?
01:07:47
zbranum
Nice, nice.
01:07:48
Jordan
when I first sent it and whatnot. So I'm glad he
Upcoming Shows & Events
01:07:52
Jordan
liked it. Cause you know, like we've done all the midnight launches, like that dude pulled me out of school so that we could just beat the Halo campaigns.
01:08:00
zbranum
Yeah.
01:08:00
Jordan
So like the, to have that come full circle is fucking crazy.
01:08:01
Andrew
That's sick.
01:08:05
zbranum
You know, I really am curious if Fallout, you know, it's kind of random thought, but if the Fallout TV show will have a presence at future comic-ons. I don't remember seeing anything about Fallout at this one, or maybe we missed it or something, but I i think the show did really well.
01:08:17
Jordan
I'm sure it will.
01:08:17
Andrew
can
01:08:25
zbranum
It was popular leading into next season. Next year, it'd be cool if they showed up and did something big time. cause you said midnight launch and I went to the mid midnight launch of most of the recent fallout games. So I love that.
01:08:38
Jordan
yeah
01:08:41
Jordan
Speaking of two, I think it got nominated for 16 Emmys. Is it Emmys?
01:08:47
zbranum
Really?
01:08:48
Jordan
Yeah, 16 nominations.
01:08:48
Andrew
Yeah.
01:08:49
zbranum
Nice. Nice.
01:08:51
Andrew
Including one Walton Goggins.
01:08:54
zbranum
Yeah.
01:08:54
Jordan
Yeah.
01:08:54
zbranum
Walton's a beast.
01:08:56
Andrew
That nominee for best actor, I think, right?
01:08:56
zbranum
He's great.
01:08:58
Jordan
He did.
01:08:58
Andrew
The drama series.
01:09:01
Jordan
There's a whole bunch. I wonder how many of them walk away with. It's not going to be 16, but I think they'll get quite a few, which would be awesome.
01:09:07
Andrew
They'll give him like the makeup ones. They're not going They won't give him much more than that.
01:09:11
Jordan
Goggins deserves his fucking award, dammit.
01:09:12
zbranum
Oh, there there's one thing I did want to mention. So, you know, I said my third was like the atmosphere, the environment, people being all the stars descending on the city. I found out that Entertainment Weekly, they do a party right there in Gaslamp, downtown San Diego. They do it right there. and And I saw pictures from the party that look into like you can see the convention center right behind where they're at. it's It has to be the hard rock or or some one of those restaurants right there. But Entertainment Weekly, I guess, their parties like the premiere party, they had every one of these stars from all the shows and the movies there in these pictures. And it was so cool to see that, you know, after a day at the convention,
01:10:05
zbranum
These people were there riding downtown, celebrating, excited, taking in the city, you know, and, you know, people from the rings of power, all kinds of shows, you know, and and TV or movies. They were there partying down there. And I thought that was really cool because I don't live, but maybe what, half a mile from down there. And so to be like, oh man, you know, they're that close. that That's just, it's a cool feeling. It gets me excited about movies and TV and yeah, it gets me hyped. I love that.
01:10:40
Andrew
yeah Definitely been.
01:10:42
zbranum
And they pull in, I guess. So we need to get the study pipe. Look, we need to get it. We need to blow up. We need to scale the study pipe. all All those, you know, five, 10, 15, whoever's listening, We need to get big enough that we get an invite to the entertainment weekly party. Cause the guy, I follow the editor in chief for collider on Twitter and he got the invite and that's how I saw it. And I was like, man, that's so cool. He's walking around, seeing everyone having a blast.
01:11:13
zbranum
Of course, you know, he's going to write up stuff or whatever articles they're going to put out, but yeah, man, super cool.
01:11:19
Jordan
right let's make it happen I love it
01:11:22
Andrew
That's the next goal. IODB party vote. That's it. Maybe the maybe the Reddit event.
01:11:27
zbranum
Oh, yeah, we missed the IMDB boat or the IMD boat, right? Because I think they combine the B with the boat when they're advertising it.
01:11:36
Andrew
Yep.
01:11:38
zbranum
We saw it, though. We saw the boat. IMDB had a boat, a party boat in San Diego Bay right behind the convention center. People were partying.
01:11:49
Jordan
My other wife was on that boat too. Sounds cool.
01:11:52
zbranum
Who's that? Who's that?
01:11:54
Jordan
Oh, it's just Kaylee, Sweeney, you know.
01:11:58
zbranum
She's having a great year for movies.
01:12:00
Jordan
Great year. Civil War and Romulus under the belt.
01:12:03
Andrew
Yeah, she's really blown up.
01:12:06
Jordan
She is.
01:12:07
zbranum
Big time and Priscilla last year.
01:12:09
Andrew
Yeah, Priscilla's big too.
01:12:11
zbranum
She killed it in that.
01:12:13
zbranum
They did a good job of convincing me that Elvis was a creep. That was weird.
01:12:20
Andrew
He's a weird guy.
Actor Spotlights
01:12:21
Andrew
Like, would you read, would you just read the This Wikipedia page, like, oh, this is, some this isn't normal.
01:12:26
zbranum
yeah some of it's uh it's a little doctor disrespect uh that she's priscilla oh now you got a reason to go watch the movie and on that note we will leave listeners with
01:12:26
Jordan
Yo, holy shit.
01:12:33
Andrew
Fucking rotate 14 year olds.
01:12:33
Jordan
That is. That is her. I didn't even fucking put that together. Oh, God. Yeah, Jesus Christ. Yeah, I'm gonna have to check that out.
01:12:50
zbranum
Perhaps enough interest in checking out Priscilla, Civil War, and getting amped for her almost guaranteed fantastic, stunning performance in Romulan. She's going to kill it, man. She was great in devs, too. Andrew got me on to devs. Kudos, Andrew.
01:13:06
Andrew
Devs are so good.
01:13:06
zbranum
Respect. I did my hat to you. Devs on Hulu was awesome. Nick Offerman, who was the president getting shot in Civil War. You know, that that was great. Great show.
01:13:20
Andrew
Don't let him kill me.
01:13:20
Jordan
Hm.
01:13:23
zbranum
That'll do. Click. Any parting words, gentlemen, as we fade to black?
01:13:32
Andrew
Yeah, it's not Fu Manchu, it's the Mandarin.
01:13:35
zbranum
Yeah, yeah, Andrew fucked that up. It's the Mandarin from Iron Man 3.
01:13:40
Andrew
Which, I hope that's not racist. I got those confused.
01:13:44
zbranum
I don't think there's an actual character, Fu Manchu.
01:13:46
Andrew
If we might choose an actual character, I was mixing them up.
01:13:49
zbranum
I think you're just mixing them up. Yeah, Mandarin, Ben Kingsley,
Closing Notes
01:13:54
zbranum
he killed that. And I was okay with the twist of him being neutered or, you know, not being an actual villain. I was okay. I wasn't too tied to it. But Jordan, I think you want to do a full deep dive on Deadpool and Wolverine, right?
01:14:10
Jordan
Yes, on behalf of all three of us here at the study pipe, we promise a full focused in review breakdown of Deadpool Wolverine.
01:14:22
Andrew
Right, checks we can't cash.
01:14:25
Jordan
yeah
01:14:27
zbranum
Now I believe that's next episode is full Deadpool Wolverine, but I'd say we all have to say it one more time before we do that.
01:14:30
Jordan
Absolutely.
01:14:37
Andrew
Yeah.
01:14:37
zbranum
Can we commit to doing that? That's the real question.
01:14:40
Andrew
So yeah, we'll be back with that episode in 2025.
01:14:41
Jordan
Absolutely.
01:14:43
Andrew
So we'll see you all then.
01:14:45
zbranum
Yeah. When it hits DVD, her streaming.