Transcript
zbranum: All right, welcome back to The Study Pipe. I'm Zach and I'm here with who?
Andrew: You're here with Andrew and I almost forgot how to do this intro because it's been what I think 16 years since our last episode Yeah, we're like circadian cicadas right every 10 years, that's what it is Yep, so yeah, we're we're here to talk about movies I care about months ago He probably hey we got the
zbranum: Another 16 years. Yeah, hibernate and then come out and ruin everyone's lives having to listen to us. Months ago, years ago too, probably. But hold hold hold on, who do we have here who is not really a guest this time?
Jordan: um It's Jordan again, and I was recruited as a third member, but I was quickly benched for a period of time.
Andrew: Yeah, it was so bad last time. We're like, we're just shutting the shit down.
zbranum: I needed some trauma therapy time.
Jordan: ah
zbranum: Well, you know what it really was was just the venting of Star Wars, right? That's just emotionally draining.
Andrew: Yeah. And we all agreed beforehand that no one is supposed to bring up Star Wars or acolyte or how both these two guys feel about it.
zbranum: Yeah, we're we're not going there today. ah Maybe soon though.
Andrew: You know, but i wait, where wait, wait. Only because I told you guys, I wouldn't ask you. I do want to get a quick 10 second opinion from both of you.
Jordan: Oh, gosh.
zbranum: On what, Acolyte?
Andrew: yeah um that a You got seconds.
zbranum: OK, are you going to time my 10 seconds?
Andrew: Yep. Starting now.
zbranum: Dog. Shit.
Andrew: All right.
zbranum: I'm done.
Andrew: That's 10 seconds. All right, Jordan, you go.
Jordan: Shitty, poorly visioned misunderstanding of the story. I hate it.
zbranum: Hold on, hold on, I want to revise my Disney Channel original movie without the magic.
Jordan: That's good.
Andrew: There we go. ah
zbranum: Okay, but I think actually what we're trying to talk about today is something maybe equally depressing as the accolade, the state of the box office, right? In general, I think there are some pointed ah remarks or or things that I know each of us want to bring up, but I think the idea is to maybe peel back ah the curtain, if you will, on what's happening right now with the box office this year compared to recent years, maybe even how
zbranum: it may be indicative of shifts in how people watch movies and how they consume their content. And I think anyone who's a movie fan probably has been seeing this commentary, you know, on the interwebs and all that stuff. But there's some interesting things I think that have happened since January up until now that really has me questioning where we go from here and Uh, what, yeah, I guess what, what the future of the movie theater experience looks like.
Andrew: Alright, I got a ten second answer for that one. I think I can wrap up this whole thing.
zbranum: That's here.
Andrew: People's TV, people's TVs are too big now. To like, watch a movie, like watch a movie.
zbranum: You know, i so I would counter that, yeah so I have a 77 inch OLED. It's beautiful, it's big, great sound system, picture quality on it is insane. I love watching movies at home, but I still get up and get to the theater, spend the money. I feel like I pay a premium to go to the movies because I think recently, I really have been trying to seek out films that have 40X. I know I've told both of you about 40X, but for those listening who may not be familiar with what 40X is, it's like four dimension experience. Basically, you go into the theater and you're in,
zbranum: These seats that move around, it feels like you're on like a theme park ride. um Not super intense, but you know definitely a lot of movement. You can't replicate that at home. And you know they have special effects, fog, water, stuff like that that they spray out during the film. And the reason I think I've really been drawn to that is I can't get that at home. you know and And what really opened the experience up for me was seeing Phantom Menace, you know the 20 whatever year anniversary of it.
zbranum: when they were showing it. I went on May the 4th and saw you know it in 40X. The pod racing was incredible. It felt like I was pod racing. So you know I have hope, I think, you know not getting ahead of myself and and where we're going with this, but I think that right now the theaters are being forced to innovate. And that is an example of something that is a premium format for sure, but it's drawing my ass out of my living room and, you know, into the seat and I'm buying concessions too.
Andrew: yeah
zbranum: So they're making their money.
Andrew: Yeah, no, 100%. 40x is cool. My parents, oddly enough, out in the middle of nowhere, have a 40x theater by them. So I remember, it's been there for like 10 years. So I remember seeing like the Phantom Conjuring on it. and or not not the Phantom Conjuring. The Conjuring, the third one with the nurse, or whatever it was.
zbranum: Mm hmm.
Andrew: Yeah, that was a 4DX movie. It is wild. Like, when you see a horror movie on it, it's a great experience.
zbranum: I haven't. So I've seen Phantom Menace, The New Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, and then most recently Mad Max Furiosa. And they were all awesome. But I do want to see a horror film in 40x. I think I'd shit my pants probably.
Andrew: It was dope.
Jordan: That's part of the 40X.
zbranum: They have the smell of shit. They pop into the theater.
Jordan: I would say with what you were saying, I have a counter to your counter in the way that I consume movies though, is like you, I have a 77 inch OLED that I absolutely love. And. I think the big change for me, because as we know of the three of us, I am the least movie going. And, uh, it's.
zbranum: Yeah. And let me, let me interrupt that. So I think that's why it's awesome.
Jordan: Yeah.
zbranum: You're on this episode where the three of us are bringing our viewpoints because I think, you know, we all watch movies, tons of movies all the time. But the way we each watch movies is a little bit different than each other. So I'd say like, I probably, I don't know, it probably goes back and forth between how often I get in the theater versus Andrew.
Jordan: Right.
zbranum: I know there are more times I'm there more often and vice versa, but you, Jordan, you primarily consume new movies and new content at home on the OLED, right?
Jordan: correct. And that's, that's kind of big, like been a big thing for me, especially, I think this is going to be a big factor into tonight's topic is the pandemic, and how that just kind of changed the landscape of everything. Because the when I watched Dune, the first one, part one, ah was at my home on my OLED, which, you know, Everything to me is like tailored to how I love to consume cinema. So I have the best screen possible. I have the sound the way I want it. I even have my little smart LED lights that I can change colors and whatnot so I can set the mood for my movies. And movies have become so personalized for me that it has really taken me out of cinemas and like actually going to the theater.
Jordan: um I am very much anti -social for the way I like to be part of movies. I don't want anyone like interrupting what's going on around me. I've had too many experiences, even at like Alamo Drafthouse. I walked out of Shazam, not because it was Shazam, which I should have walked out of, but because people were being stupid.
Andrew: yes is it was good i like the person that
Jordan: ah But yeah, like I think when I watched you know Dune and What is it Matrix Revolution?
Andrew: but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but
Jordan: Or I can't Yeah, I can't even remember what the fourth one's called ah but yeah, I watched like the Matrix all that yeah resurrection and ah You know, I had my family over and all that and it's just it's a very to me it feels much more intimate and
Andrew: resurrection
Andrew: yeah
Jordan: It's just become my favorite way to like consume things. I'm actually like really sad that movies that come out in theaters don't simultaneously release as an option to like stream it, which I think overall is good for the movie itself. I know it's not good for cinemas because that's taking away what could be more foot traffic. But yeah, I love the home experience.
zbranum: Now, I think that kind of opens up the perfect segue into, um I don't know if this is the most recent number, but what I see using using you know Google University is this year's box office has seen a 21 % drop compared to the same period in 2023. And, you know, that we've had Dune part two, which I think just did well. I don't know that it cracked a billion.
zbranum: Andrew, you probably have the most recent number, but it was what, 800 million, 900 somewhere near there worldwide.
Andrew: No. Again,
Andrew: I don't even think, I think the maybe 700, it barely, it probably barely cracked 700. I'll look it up.
zbranum: Seven.
Andrew: It's at 7 -11.
zbranum: But you know, definitely, I mean, huge movie epic. I know we haven't done a deep dive on that. But I would say that's that's a 10 out of 10 perfect film, in my opinion, best film I've seen all year. which gave me a lot of hope coming into the the summer blockbuster season, right? But now what we're seeing is, yeah I think Kingdom of the Planet Apes has done pretty well, relatively speaking, but you know you have Mad Max Furiosa, which is a beautiful film shot, beautifully, a lot more color and contrast, I think, compared to Fury Road, but absolutely tanked.
zbranum: um Now, with that being said, do you have, the two of you, do you have initial suspicions as to why that is? Do you think that's more reflective of people wanting to be really compelled to go to the theater with a good story or an epic kind of affair? um Or is it just, you know, they they had, they didn't have Tom Hardy, you know, they had a female lead. It's ah mainly men who went and saw it. They didn't capture the female audience. ah What would you chalk it up to be?
Andrew: I think it's, uh, I think there's like an aspect of momentum with people seeing movies where this year because of the the writer strike that happened for awhile, there's a way less dense offering of movies. And so I think what happens is you get people going to the movies and having a good time and do you kind of like get them on a roll of like getting into the habit of seeing movies. And right now it's like, you got like a month in between good titles. So it's hard to like keep people going back to the theaters and having that be part of their routine.
zbranum: I liked it.
Andrew: I mean, if you look right now, there's only five movies that have cracked $200 million worldwide this year. If you go back to like 2018, for the full year, I think it was like 40. And so it's way off pace. There's just less movies that are even designed to be able to make that much money. I mean, you got Challengers at number 12, which is at $140 million worldwide. But I don't think anyone would have thought that Challengers is this type of movie that would come out to crack $200 million. And so people are still going to see the titles. There's just not that many titles and there's not a lot of reasons to keep people there.
zbranum: How much of do you think the cost of a movie ticket and you know this all this inflation is eating into it?
Andrew: So that's hard for me to say because I don't, you know, I live in Tempe and I have an AMC right down the street from me and it's eight bucks whenever I go. And so, but I know that's not the case for everyone. I know out in Cali, you might be seeing like 16, $20 tickets.
zbranum: Oh, yeah, man, it's it's yeah, like the 40 X tickets, I think are twenty to twenty five bucks.
Andrew: That's pricey.
zbranum: And, you know, that's worth it, in my opinion. But, you know, if I were to take, you know, oh, my wife, two kids and, you know, that kind of thing, if I had a big old family, that's I mean, you're spending a couple hundred dollars to get in the door and then, you know, concessions and all that. I could see that as a barrier.
Andrew: Oh, yeah, that's definitely a barrier. I mean, people, you know, you're voting with your dollar every time you you spend a dollar. And if it's like, hey, I'm going to spend 100 bucks with my family to go see a movie I might or might not like, that's ah that's a big decision to make. There's so many different things that are competing with your time. And if you can just hang out at home and watch a movie and everyone has a good time, you go down to the dollar store, pick up some candy, and you save 90 bucks. I mean, that's definitely a part of the decision. I don't know if it's that much of it, because people were seeing movies last year, you know? It's a big drop off. So it's like, what happened from last year to the this year?
Andrew: I don't think it's that people got nicer TVs or that really the the situation changed for people at their house. In fact, like inflation's gotten better in the last year. And so to me, I mean, it has to be with the titles that are coming out. I don't know if that fully explains Fury Road. I think Mad Max, Furiosa.
zbranum: Furioso.
Andrew: Yeah, I think that's an entirely different thing going on there. But I think like just the general box office decline, it's just from lack of titles.
Jordan: I feel every time I think about it, I feel like it's like something that can you know be simply stated and as to what's going on. But you look at other movies like. con Godzilla um that came out this year. It's like what it's already the highest grossing Godzilla film of all time and smash the box office and I was thinking it's all like oh well people want to see like you know people don't want dialogue.
Andrew: Yeah.
Jordan: They want to go see like you know a blockbuster. But Furiosa is that, you know, George Miller is very big about letting what's on screen to do the storytelling and not the dialogue. And yeah, it's honestly the Furiosa stuff really took me back because I thought that movie was going to absolutely hit. And to see how big of a fumble it is, like what it already got taken out of like 100 plus theaters already, 800.
Andrew: 800 theaters, 800 theaters. Yeah, at the time of recording, Furiosa came out three weeks ago, guys. So 800 theaters, it's already dropped off of three weeks.
Jordan: That's wild.
Andrew: That's pretty insane.
Jordan: And it still hasn't hit the 165 budget.
Andrew: Yeah, the like quick like movie math is you're supposed to be be making around two and a half times your budget to break even. I'm not sure how they do in the accounting, but that's what you kind of hear in the press all the time. So Furiosa costs. technically $320 million dollars to make, but got $160 million dollars tax credit from Australia. So the budget came down to $168 million. So for that to break even, it needs to be making it somewhere to ballpark of $450 million worldwide. And right now it's about $300 million off on that.
Jordan: That's wild.
Andrew: So that is a substantial loss.
Jordan: This this whole year is just really weird because to me of all the movies that have come out so far, if I were to if I had no knowledge of any of them and I was just looking at them as like, you know, here is the poster of this film, pick which one is most likely to fail, I would probably pick Dune. just knowing like how crazy of a story it becomes, yeah ah the cast, all that stuff.
Andrew: hahaha
Jordan: like I would feel like Dune would be the most likely to fail, but Dune Part 2 was a phenomenon. like People who've never read the books, didn't see the first movie, went and saw that film because people were just calling it a masterpiece. And like it was that, you know you guys saw it. like For a month, it was that sensation. like Everyone's got to get to the theaters. i went Dune is Dune part two is the first movie I saw in theaters by myself I've never been to a movie by myself before and I loved every minute of it and it Yeah, and it's just wild It is it is really nice.
Andrew: tune is so good it's so much fun to go by yourself and people get weird about it but it's like why like if you're going to the theater to be social with your friends then you're the problem at the theater yeah i mean it is fun to be there with your friends and kind of all enjoy it you know but going by yourself is a good time guys if you haven't tried it you should do it
Jordan: It's kind of it kind of gives me that same like intimate feeling I get at home kind of um Right, yeah, it's not to sit there and chitchat but
Jordan: Yeah.
zbranum: Yeah, I love going by myself. Yeah, it's it's nice to sit there and not be distracted at all and, you know, kind of reacting. I mean, there's fun in that reacting with your buddies and whatnot. But, you know, when you go by yourself, especially if the theater is not packed, you really you're forced to sit there with your own thoughts, you know, and in a way that uninterrupted thoughts.
Jordan: Yeah.
zbranum: I think it prompts or promotes deeper reflection during the film.
Jordan: Yeah, I'm I'm curious I'm
zbranum: But yeah, I mean, I saw Dune part two twice in theater. Last time I saw a film twice during, you know, it's theatrical run. Man, I can't even say.
zbranum: Yeah, it's been it's been a while. Maybe Avengers Endgame.
Jordan: Yeah Maybe Yeah,
zbranum: Maybe.
Andrew: Yeah.
Jordan: I saw I saw it doing twice in the same week
Andrew: but
zbranum: But, yeah.
Andrew: Yeah.
zbranum: Yeah, I think I saw one week apart, if I'm not mistaken.
Jordan: And.
Andrew: Yeah. So what saw it before times.
zbranum: But the you know the thing about Dune is you're saying, Jordan, it i mean it obviously it being phenomenal has a lot of, I think is a big reason as to why it did well. But being phenomenal generates the word of mouth.
Jordan: Right.
zbranum: You know you you tell people, hey, you you you feel compelled to tell people to get in there and watch it. And I'm wondering how much of that bleeds into marketing and and you know this new age of TikTok and all that kind of stuff. like Do the studios need to rethink their marketing? Do they need to, you know, last year was crazy because of, you know, Barbie and and Oppenheimer and just the the marketing around that, you know, the turning everything into a meme.
Jordan: Yep.
zbranum: And that generated so much foot traffic and, you know, people seeing both films in the same day. Andrew, you did that.
Andrew: Oh yeah, that was a good time.
zbranum: um Yeah.
Jordan: Dressing up for it too.
Andrew: Yeah, I dressed up as Barbie.
zbranum: Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Andrew: Can I just like, all right, so let me read off the top five box office films this year. And then versus the top five last year. And I know last year had the full year, but we're halfway through the year. So we can kind of compare them, right? So this year we had Doom part two, Godzilla, Kung Fu Panda four, Kingdom of a Planet of the Apes, and Ghostbusters Frozen Empire. Those are the top five.
Jordan: Ugh.
Andrew: After that, you got Garfield, Bob Marley, The Fall Guy, If, The Beekeeper, and then Furiosa Badbacks.
zbranum: Yikes.
Andrew: You go last year, and tell me this isn't just like, it's just a lack of titles. You got Barbie, the Super Mario's movie, Oppenheimer, Guardians of the Galaxy, Fast X, Spider -Man Across the Spider -Verse, Wonka, The Little Mermaid, Mission Impossible, Elemental, Ant -Man, John Wick 4, Transformers, Aquaman.
Andrew: There's just a lack of titles this year.
zbranum: Yeah. Yeah. I thought I saw something about there being like 10 fewer titles this year compared to last because of the writer's strike and the actor's strike.
Andrew: Yes, he seems like ten at least and not only that but all the big franchises hit last year and they're not hitting this year Little mermaid.
Jordan: Yeah, you know, it really bums me out about what you just read off. And no one is still talking about it. And it was one of my favorite movie experiences this year next to Dune was Civil War.
Andrew: Oh, I know
Jordan: And I feel like people completely forgot about that. And, you know, to try and keep politics out of this podcast as much as possible. in the state that we are in as a country, in a world, I feel like everyone should have seen that film because I think it was like really important and the message it was trying to convey and everything. And it was so visceral. Like I've, I've seen, you know, so many horror movies and, you know, things on the internet, no one should ever see. And, you know, that movie captured and
Jordan: feeling that was so unnerving that entire runtime. And it's it pops up nowhere just died off.
Andrew: Dammit, I don't know. I still see it like talked about quite a bit. But maybe that's just my YouTube algorithm, probably.
Jordan: Yeah.
zbranum: Yeah, i think I think I at least my algorithm is probably a little bit more aligned with what Jordan's saying.
Andrew: And it just... Go ahead.
zbranum: I haven't really seen commentary recently. um But I mean, I'd see a lot of shitposting on, you know, Star Wars or whatever is the hot topic of of the day.
Jordan: yeah
zbranum: But I would I agree, man. I mean, Civil War That was a film and the thing that kind of drove me crazy is everyone's like, oh, this would never happen, you know, California, Texas, blah, blah, blah.
Jordan: Yeah.
zbranum: And it's like, you're missing the point. The point isn't, you know, is it realistic that some groups align with others and blah?
Jordan: Right.
zbranum: There's a civil war and the place you love, the place you call home, you are now being forced as a ah viewer in the theater to see, you know, your home, something you love be destroyed in front of you. And you shouldn't be focused on whether Californians and Texans can be friendly with each other. um Set all that aside. I mean, you you can sit there and watch Nutsack, Chin, Thanos, who's purple, run around and do all kinds of things. But you can't sit here and and appreciate this film for what it is. and And to me, what that film is, it's commentary on
zbranum: you know yeah us as Americans, people who live in America, you're born and raised, you are taught American exceptionalism, and you know a lot of that I believe in. which I think is why when I went and I saw the film, I was really depressed when I left the theater. because i you know To me, it was I was watching something ah that I love in my nation kind of just pulled keep being pulled apart at the seams, you know watching it be destroyed, watching, you know, fellow countrymen attack one another and not seeing the forest for the trees, not seeing you know that what brings us together, the experiment, our nation is much larger than petty politics. And you know we're we're in a, I think, political environment now where it's very tribal. It's, oh, I like the New York Jets. You like you know the Giants. Fuck you. No, fuck you.
zbranum: And it's bled into you're a Democrat, you're a Republican, you're it's us versus them.
Andrew: but
zbranum: And it's like, you know, we we built this together. It was bipartisan. We built this together. And if we don't continue to work together, no matter how much we may disagree, the very thing that we love, the very what we assume to be normal average day to day life, ah it it breaks apart. The rule of law, everything it breaks apart. And if you travel elsewhere, you go visit other countries. Um, you know, I think, I think it's easy to take for granted the nation that we have and all the people who've built it before us here today, you know, like, yeah, I just, I came out of that film, you know, they blow up the the Lincoln Memorial, right?
Andrew: incredible
zbranum: You know, they shoot a rocket into the Lincoln Memorial and I'm sitting there.
Andrew: It needed to go, though. It needed to go. It's been there too long.
zbranum: You know, and for me, i'm I'm sitting there watching that. and And I've been to D .C. multiple times. I've been to the memorial multiple times. And I sit there and, you know, behind Lincoln, you know, they say he's in the hearts of, you know, enshrined in the hearts of of the nation forever because he held the union together. Right. At the most trying time in this country's history, Lincoln held it together. And if he didn't hold it together, if if our nation would have split at that time, The America we all grew up in and love and know and believe to be exceptional and you know the standard bearer for the free world and all these things, it wouldn't be. you know And yeah I think it's a warning. It's a warning that if you truly think your fellow countrymen are evil or out to get you or or trying to destroy this country, that prophecy is going to become self -fulfilling. It's dangerous.
Andrew: Yeah, I, I took that. I mean, I know we talked about it pretty extensively after. That was a, you know, that's well said. And I think that was like the main, the main theme of the film as well. I think there was also an aspect of like the journalistic aspect of how we're always warriors of other countries going to war. And so it's very distant for us. And so bringing it back to the United States and then having it through the lens of journalists who are kind of thrill seekers and voyeurs. It kind of forces us to realize that we're kind of just being war tourists when we watch about like the Ukraine war, where we watch about things going on like in Yemen or in Israel.
zbranum: Yep.
Andrew: And it's important for us to realize and have that focus be on America for us to be like, holy shit, dude, fucking war is real. And we don't want Ron Swanson as president. You know, that type of thing.
zbranum: Yeah. Yeah. Ron Swanson really fucked that up.
Andrew: Yeah, he did.
zbranum: You know, three terms.
Jordan: yeah
Andrew: Yeah.
zbranum: Yeah. No, I thank you.
Jordan: and
zbranum: I think that's exactly i mean an excellent point. this it It takes something that, for us, oh, we we're in America. It's so stable. you know Oh, the greatest country in the world, all these things. And it it takes Our experience of war war is always abroad. It's always been abroad, you know, for for our lives.
Jordan: Yeah. Yeah.
zbranum: You know, it's all these theaters of war campaigns. They're all abroad. They're never here. And, you know, it made it personal and brought it here and and it forces you as the viewer to sit there and think. You know, what would that be like for me to wake up and and my nation is tearing itself apart? How does that make me feel? Do I like it? Do I not? You know, and as you said, Jordan, I think people should watch it. they should It should be whether, oh, you think it's realistic or whatever. it It's something that I think you can sit there and ask yourself some interesting questions if you watch it.
Jordan: Yeah, and that that's like a to go with Andrew and what he was saying with like the journalistic side of it. I think one of my favorite scenes for that movie and slight spoiler warning for anyone listening.
Andrew: well They've had five months or four months.
Jordan: um yeah The scene with after Jesse Plemons after that and ah the older
Jordan: journalists get shot. um And the two characters in the back, you see them finally realize this isn't just another, you know, war that they're documenting like they're in it. Like this, the game has changed. And I just absolutely love that scene.
zbranum: Yeah, it became real.
zbranum: It's a beautiful scene, too, as they're driving and I think the forest is like on fire, right? And they're looking out the car windows and and the music, beautiful music's playing.
Andrew: yeah
Jordan: Yeah.
zbranum: There's no dialogue.
Andrew: Yeah.
zbranum: And you're just literally watching the world around them burn while they're dying, you know, or he is.
Andrew: i Yeah.
zbranum: Yeah.
Jordan: Yeah.
Andrew: Do you think I was a great actor?
Jordan: And again, that's the thing.
Andrew: What's his name? Death is his link. Yeah.
Jordan: Um, you're talking about the guy from, uh, Narcos and all that.
Andrew: For like that yeah No, no, not him. I was talking about the the guy died from deaths. What is his name?
Jordan: Oh, from the first Dune movie too.
zbranum: Yeah, he was in Dune.
Andrew: Yeah.
zbranum: I was sad that they didn't have him in part two.
Jordan: Yeah.
zbranum: I heard that there was a scene he was in, but it got cut or something to meet the, you know, runtime.
zbranum: He's a good actor though. Yeah. He killed it in devs. Um, he was great in civil war.
zbranum: Well, he's, he's in a couple other things that aren't coming to mind, but Yeah, man, I don't know civil. So what Civil War did it do well at the box office or?
Andrew: Oh yeah, that movie, that movie would be great. I mean, $114 million. I think it was ah at a budget of $40 million, but yeah.
Jordan: Yeah, it was a small budget.
Andrew: and But it was set up in a way where um they were able to, I think they sold the rights maybe for distribution. So they were already in the in the green on day one.
zbranum: Nice, nice.
Andrew: But yeah, to you know what, there's actually one scene I want to talk about from Civil War that I think encapsulated the whole movie. Because when like when you think about Civil War and what why why you're right about people getting so caught up in the whole, you know, California, and Texas would never be together. the point like They really tried to hammer home in that movie that when you have something like a Civil War, the sides are blurred.
Jordan: Bye.
Andrew: It becomes more of a situation of small skirmishes, like the sniper scene where you don't even know what side those guys are on. All they know is that someone's trying to kill them and they're trying to kill them.
zbranum: ye Yep. Yep.
Andrew: And it's like, who, who, you know, who the fuck gives a shit? Like what the site is. I'm dead. If I don't take care of this.
zbranum: Yep.
zbranum: Yeah, man, i i but I bought it too. When it released a couple of weeks ago or whenever that was, I bought it. It was worth adding to the library for sure.
Andrew: That's a goodbye. And it's Stephen McKinley Henderson. That's his name is G.
zbranum: Nice. All hell.
Jordan: He's G.
zbranum: What, um okay, so I think, how do you think Deadpool and Wolverine is is going to perform?
Andrew: Oh, that would make a billion.
zbranum: I think that that potentially has a, there's an opportunity to course correct, quote unquote, the the box office for this year with that film.
Jordan: Yeah. I think ah Deadpool will finally be the movie that dethrones Doom part two for the grossing in the box office.
Andrew: Oh,
Jordan: I think it's going to do buku numbers.
Andrew: oh yeah. I think that would be... Deadpool 2 made like almost $800 million. dollars And this is you know this is the most hyped movie of the year. I think it easily crosses a billion.
Jordan: Yeah.
Andrew: I know it's R rated, but and I don't see it not.
zbranum: Yeah, i think I think there's a lot of power in bringing back Hugh Jackman too, or Hugh Jackman, you know?
Andrew: Yeah, 100%.
Jordan: Yeah. That's that's what I was going to say, too, is I would say if this was another Deadpool, too, like a continuation of just Ryan Reynolds and, you know. Some B list celebrities they got in there, I would say it may not dethrone Dune Part two. But I think Hugh Jackman coming back as Wolverine one last time again is that's what's going to sell.
Andrew: yeah
zbranum: Yeah, yeah, yeah. um Yeah, man.
Andrew: One last time for 10 more movies, probably.
zbranum: i I want to see a lot of, I want to see the commentary from Deadpool on Disney too.
Jordan: Right.
Andrew: I think 100 % there will be. Man.
zbranum: Like i'm I'm hoping there is there's a lot of poking fun at Disney's handling of things and where things are at right now.
Andrew: i think ah think a hundred percent there will be
Andrew: then What are the big titles coming out this year? There's some big ones that'll probably bring it all back, you know? You got Venom.
zbranum: Oh man, Venom, the third one that trailer, it looked like dog shit to me. I'm sorry.
Andrew: Dude, that thats it's going to make 800 million people love Tom Hardy.
Jordan: Venom horse, bro. Come on. I'm seeing it just for that Oh No
zbranum: I love Tom Hardy and I'm going to see it because I love Tom Hardy, but I'm not going to like it.
Andrew: but by Wait, wait look let's make a bet right now. Because I know you guys are hyped for this movie. Alien Robin List. think this Do you think this movie finishes in the top 15 box office for the year?
zbranum: I don't know what what's all coming out.
Andrew: All right, I'll start what we said we could also put.
zbranum: It's hard to say. I think a better bet is what we think the box office total will be.
Jordan: yeah
Andrew: All right. I want to say 240 billion world.
zbranum: what's so What did ah Covenant do?
zbranum: And it so if anyone listening who hasn't seen any teaser trailer for Alien Romulus, ah it stars the the gal from Civil War, the young journalist. What's her name? Kaylee? Is it Kaylee? Kaylee something?
Andrew: ga
zbranum: Kaylee? I don't know. um She was also Priscilla in the film Priscilla with ah the guy from Euphoria playing Elvis. Jacob Allordi, is it? um
Andrew: way
Jordan: Yes.
Andrew: kaylee spney is how you there and
zbranum: Yeah, that sounds right.
Andrew: kind um
zbranum: We have to do do our research. But she's in it. And I think she looks good in it. Strong kind of female lead going back to you know the the original, if you will, or at least that's the vibe I was getting.
Andrew: record. Well, Kaylee spinney is I
zbranum: But I think from what I saw in the trailer, the teaser and the trailer, it looks very horror oriented, very horror focused. You know, like Alien Isolation, the video game, like shit your pants, scared as you're going through the story of that. And it has me super hyped at being a huge horror fan, of course, being an alien fan as well. But yeah, I'm pumped. I hope it does well well enough to get another sequel out of them, you know?
Andrew: Yeah, I'm excited. that move the To answer your question, Alien Covenant made $240 billion. So actually, I was right on the money with my guess.
zbranum: Yeah, you were right on.
Jordan: yeah
zbranum: ah Do I think it will do better than Covenant?
Jordan: Yeah.
zbranum: I don't know. it's hard i I want it to. I'll say 300 mil.
Andrew: $300 bill. How about you, Jordan?
Jordan: Damn, I'm going 180 mil.
Andrew: $180. Wow, we got a pessimist here.
Jordan: Yeah.
Andrew: It's because you don't go to the theater. That's why.
zbranum: Yeah, you bastard.
Jordan: Hey, I'm traveling, I'm traveling to California to see it with my boys that.
Andrew: I will be here.
zbranum: You need to go.
zbranum: and Andrew you better be coming out to to see it Well, we'll see it 40x and then pump up the box office numbers Right and maybe that maybe that will be the first horror film that I seen 40x could be Let's
Jordan: That's commitment. That's right.
Jordan: That's how hype I am.
Andrew: There we go.
Jordan: Right. But I.
Andrew: I think that, I think that'd be a good one. Ooh, I can, I have a game idea that we could play.
Jordan: Yeah, that'd be wild.
Andrew: I think that might be a recurring thing we could do. So, so I'll, I'll give you a movie title and I'll give you a box office number and you tell me over or under.
zbranum: hear it
zbranum: OK.
Andrew: So inside out to over under worldwide 700 billion.
zbranum: 700 inside out to.
Andrew: And the first one made well over a billion.
zbranum: I think it'll it'll be over 700.
Jordan: Under 700.
zbranum: Is it out yet?
Andrew: It comes out this weekend.
zbranum: This weekend, let's say I thought it was either this or next.
Andrew: Yeah. So yeah, we'll go pretty quick. And that might be the first movie to dethrone Dune 2.
Jordan: I will freak out.
Andrew: So I think, I think it makes a billion honestly.
Jordan: Oh, oh.
Andrew: All right. Bike riders over under a hundred million.
zbranum: Oh, man, I'm so hyped for that movie.
Jordan: Yeah.
zbranum: Tom Hardy speaking of.
Andrew: Yeah, so over under 100 million worldwide Yeah, yeah, ra ah roger I a hundred I'm gonna say under I don't know if it's gonna get the wide release
zbranum: Is it rated R?
Jordan: Over easily.
zbranum: Yeah, it's rated R, right?
zbranum: Well, I think over 100.
Jordan: So here's my reason, because I was actually thinking about this while talking about Dune. I think that bike riders is going to determine or show if Austin Butler is the new Hollywood star. Because I think a lot of people did see Dune Part 2 for him. And I think he is an incredible actor. As soon as I saw him in the Elvis movie, I just, you know, he exudes a movie star.
zbranum: yeah Yeah, I thought he killed it in Elvis.
Jordan: Like, I haven't seen that since like Schwarzenegger.
zbranum: Yeah, he he killed it in Elvis and I agree. I think bike riders will be a good test to see can he draw in, you know, pairing him up with Hardy too.
Jordan: Right.
zbranum: It may be enough to draw in people north of 100 mil.
Andrew: yeah He's being quietly slept on, especially because Apple doesn't release their viewership numbers. But if you like do some deep digging on Masters of the Air, which he was the big character in, that that was like Apple's biggest success they've ever had.
zbranum: Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew: i think ah I think it like smashed records. and They might have got something like a 65 % bump in subscribers at one point.
zbranum: Wow.
Andrew: Like it was a it was a huge success and just no news on it, no so press or anything.
zbranum: So what are you, what are you saying over under a hundred mil? Do you think he can bring people in?
Andrew: I think that if it has a strong showing and they expand the theater count, I would be surprised if it made over 200 million.
Jordan: Bye.
Andrew: But it's one of those things where if they if they don't do the press and they don't push it and it gets that $8 million dollars opening, all of a sudden it's going to be out at 40 and they'll try to push it towards streaming, you know?
zbranum: Damn, I hope not, man. because i I do think there's this new era coming in. We were talking about like the death of the movie star and all that stuff, but I think this year has kind of made me feel a little bit better about the future of like the movie star. you know you have Timothy rocking it, you know Austin Butler as you said rocking it Florence is doing great. You know she was in Dune. She was in Oppenheimer um Yeah, I mean there there are people who are really starting to you know and and say what you will about Mad Max but or Furiosa you know the box office isn't there to support maybe what I'm about to say but
Jordan: Yep.
zbranum: I normally hate on Chris Hemsworth, or I don't really give him maybe the respect he deserves, but I found myself every time he came on screen, every scene he was in, in that film he stole it. I could not look away with, you know, I was hanging on like every word. What is this guy going to do next? his The way his that that villain, you know, Dementis, the way he carried himself, how he acted, it was so different and fresh, I thought, that it kind of elevated his star power for me.
Andrew: Oh yeah, he was great.
zbranum: I came out with a newfound respect for Hemsworth. That wasn't there before I saw Furiosa.
Andrew: Yeah.
Jordan: Yep.
Andrew: Then, all right. If we're, if we're talking about stars, you know, and we're talking about Austin Butler, then Hemsworth kind of redeeming himself after being kind of attached to Thor. I say that the next big box office the star is actually Glenn Powell.
zbranum: Oh man, that guy is having a run right now.
Andrew: Yeah, I mean hit band just came out You know, it's it always helps them fucking do a comedy with richard lee cleaner as the director And then he's what I think twisters is going to be the surprise box office head of the summer Yeah,
zbranum: Yeah.
Jordan: yeah i agree
zbranum: I think that's probably true.
zbranum: I think that'll do good numbers.
Jordan: and
zbranum: I think that I agree. I think Len Powell, his stars on the rise for sure.
Andrew: yeah I think we're getting a new wave of uh A -list actors, I think it'll be Austin Butler and Glenn Powell, like kind of leading the way. And that, you know, man, I'm gonna fuck up his last name. Timothy Chamelot, is that Every episode, I think I've been fucking up his name.
Jordan: Yeah, I
zbranum: Shallow me.
Jordan: Sure. agree.
zbranum: Shallow me.
Jordan: That's it's funny. I was just before we started this podcast, I ah was just seeing a video about how no one knows who the fuck Glenn Powell is. Like, where did this guy come from? But that's the thing is that his presence has been so strong in just what Maverick came out two years ago.
zbranum: Yeah.
Jordan: It that's he's went from Top Gun Maverick to being like now in the summer blockbuster. And like you said, Andrew Hitman's out and it's been getting rave reviews. I thought it looked great. I still need to watch it.
Andrew: yeah Yo, can I blow your guys' minds?
Jordan: What's up?
Andrew: Do remember the dark night rises when Bane goes into the stock trading room?
zbranum: Yeah, yeah, he's the sock trader.
Jordan: Mm hmm.
zbranum: And he talks to you, yeah.
Andrew: He's like, there's no money here.
Jordan: Yeah.
zbranum: What are you doing here? Yeah.
Andrew: Man, anyone?
Jordan: what Was he he was in spy kids as a kid like he's actually been he's been in it for a long time, but Yeah
zbranum: Yeah, yeah, he's a spy, kids.
Andrew: Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, then ah I think ah his real breakout was, for in my opinion, was ah Hidden Figures, where he played John Glenn. And then at that point, yeah, I think everyone all of a sudden thought like, all right, this could be like the All -American guy, you know?
zbranum: Oh, that's right.
Andrew: After that, you know, we got what? Then after that, he was able to take that into like Top Gun Maverick. I don't think he gets the Top Gun Maverick role without ah without Hidden Figures.
zbranum: Yeah, I'd agree with that.
Jordan: Yeah. I would also say his marketing campaign that him and Sidney Sweeney did for that anyone but you or whatever was genius.
Andrew: Dude, that movie made
zbranum: Yeah, they that blew him up.
Andrew: The movie with made $200 billion dollars on a $25 billion dollars budget.
Jordan: Big time.
zbranum: Yep.
Jordan: Yeah, dude. And they they played into that whole like, you know, they're having like this like little so like love affair on set and they played into that and they even admitted to it. It's like that's that's how you do it. It's how you get it done.
zbranum: Yeah. And speaking of new stars, you know, Sydney Sweeney, she, I think is in this like group of people we're talking about. She killed it in Immaculate. Uh, I don't know if you guys saw that it was a horror film.
Jordan: yeah
zbranum: Um, that was wild.
Andrew: yeah that Yeah, that was good. I like that one.
zbranum: The ending she like, we yeah, man, she, I don't want to spoil it, but she went, went for it big time.
Andrew: good act
Andrew: Alright, we got some more movies.
Jordan: Yeah.
Andrew: all Alright, so what do you guys think? Twisters? Over, under? I'll say 400 billion.
Jordan: I want to say over.
zbranum: Yeah, over. I don't know if I'm optimistic. I've said over on on every one of these, I think, so far.
Andrew: I think we just wanted to All right All right.
Jordan: I'm a hater so.
Andrew: Well, let's go with Deadpool right because we're already talking about it. So the Deadpool Wolverine Deadpool 2 made 780 million So let's uh, we'll say without a Wolverine over under 900 million Go over.
zbranum: Oh, man, I think I'm going to go under on that.
Jordan: I'm gonna go over.
Andrew: All right.
Jordan: Yeah, I think it I think it'll hit the 1 billion.
Andrew: What's
Jordan: and
Andrew: So throw throw a number out for your final guess, guys.
Jordan: 1 .2 billion but that would be wild dog shit under
zbranum: I'm going to say eight hundred and ten million.
Andrew: 110 million?
zbranum: No, no, eight hundred and ten.
Andrew: ah All that optimism's just gone.
zbranum: Yeah.
Andrew: All right, all right. Borderlands.
zbranum: Oh, dog shit, going to be terrible.
Andrew: Shit. yeah
Andrew: over under worldwide 250 million.
zbranum: Fonder.
Andrew: I'm gonna say over. I think i think Kevin Hart just has it has a ah following of people that will see his movies.
Jordan: I don't Yeah, unfortunately, I don't think borderlands though, even has those kind of legs. borderlands is fun, but I would put that more in like, a cult following that I would say like, huge.
Andrew: Yeah, I mean, im
Jordan: I don't know. I see it bombing big time.
Andrew: It depends on how big the fort, if the Fortnite kids come out for it, you know, they had a whole borderlands like season and the most popular skins are like Fortnite skins or borderland skins.
Jordan: Those fools don't got money.
zbranum: Do Fortnite kids play Borderlands?
Jordan: It's all going to V -Bucks.
Jordan: They did.
zbranum: Really? Wow.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. that All right.
Jordan: They love the psychos.
Andrew: How about, uh, I'm not Shyamalan's trap over under, let's say 175 million worldwide.
zbranum: Under.
Jordan: I would actually say I think it'll make 175, so...
Andrew: Yeah, that's it. I'm putting that one like right on the money because of a looking over his previous box offices with a split and stuff what he hits and my chamalons in like the 500 billion range What do you what do you what do you got captures the like zeitgeist?
Jordan: yeah
Jordan: i'm
zbranum: What's his last, last three, four box office?
Andrew: Hey, let me pull it up real quick
Jordan: I'm curious about that movie because to me, they already kind of spoiled the twist. But knowing Shyamalan, there's a crazier twist. So what is it gonna be? I'm curious.
zbranum: What's the premise? I can't remember.
Jordan: He takes his daughter to a concert. um And it turns out that the concert is basically staged as a trap for someone who's been going about murdering people. And Hartnett's character is the murderer, which is the dad.
Andrew: and So, I mean, I guess his recent box office is not all that great. So, we'll do we'll do over under 90 billion worldwide.
zbranum: Nah, man. Nah, we gotta hold what we said.
Andrew: All right, all right, all right, all right.
zbranum: No backtracking, dammit.
Jordan: And 175.
Andrew: 175? All right, 175. So, the movie Old made 90 billion. Glass made 250 billion. Split made 280 billion. Knocked at the cabin, and made 54 billion.
Jordan: Zach, you like knock at the cabin, didn't you? I haven't seen it.
zbranum: Yeah, I loved it.
Andrew: So, I mean, you know what's interesting?
zbranum: I thought Batista killed it in that film.
Andrew: Go ahead. I really like Batista. du Josh Hardet's going to be the interesting thing. in He used to be such a big star. Now he's kind of getting back into the main light, into the mainstream again after Oppenheimer.
zbranum: Yeah.
Andrew: I'm really curious to see if people come out and see him.
Jordan: praise be praise be Oppenheimer for bringing back Josh.
zbranum: Yeah, I hope he, he has like a career renaissance, you know.
Jordan: I love him.
Andrew: today Dude, if Trapp clears $100 million, I think that's, it'll be Renaissance for him.
Jordan: Yeah.
Andrew: Because M. Night movies always cost like $10 million to make.
zbranum: Yeah.
Andrew: Like, he makes them cheap.
zbranum: Yeah, but ah that's why I'm saying under 175 because, you know, old knock at the cabin are the two recent ones. You know, I saw both of those. I thought old was dog shit.
Andrew: That was a pretty weak one Yeah, we go
zbranum: I like knock at the cabin. I liked glass. I did like split. um Yeah, I think he's been more back in it or on the money, if you will, M. Night Shyamalan, but Yeah, I don't i don't don't see and let's see this one going north of 175. But if it does, I'd be happy, you know, because...
Andrew: yeahd be it'd be awesome if it was a huge hit made like 250 I'd be excited.
Jordan: Let's not get too crazy Yeah But I would also say then right and McAvoy was hitting then and he still hits I
Andrew: I Yo, like I'm saying like what split that came out of nowhere and made you know 200 something the billion dollars Yeah, yes All right, what do we choose for the crow that's shortest movies looking forward to He's gonna pretend like he he's not the
zbranum: Yeah, but McAvoy's a god.
zbranum: He was hitting a notes, man, left and right.
Jordan: Love him ah I Would like
zbranum: Oh, that's his most anticipated movie of the year.
Jordan: I would like to start with, I think this will be the biggest box office bomb of the year.
Andrew: So the grow cost 4 million to make.
Jordan: Holy shit.
Andrew: No, I'm joking.
Jordan: I was like, what?
zbranum: Yeah, I was about to say, that's not gonna bomb if it was four million bucks.
Andrew: your yeah What is the budget, though?
Jordan: Yeah, it's still bomb.
zbranum: What is the budget for the crow?
Andrew: yeah ohs Oh, it won't bob.
zbranum: Look, I like, I like, I like him. And I, yeah, I feel like, yeah, I was gonna say, you get the horror fans in there who, you know, are gonna watch.
Andrew: It's only 50 billion.
Andrew: It has to clariy that to clear billion.
Jordan: e
zbranum: um have fifty I don't know man I think the original crows whack though I'm in that camp and I know that pisses people off when I say it but
Jordan: Okay.
Andrew: you You know the thing is about the people get pissed off they actually haven't seen the original yeah You know, there's a reason there's a reason he never did another movie after that and
Jordan: Hey. I need to put this out here. For you two, and anyone listening to this fucking episode, if you got a problem with the original Crow, with my boy Brandon Lee, hit me up on my Instagram, I'll give you my Addy, and we'll fucking go at it. I will not take this slander.
Andrew: was sorry
Jordan: That's Fox.
zbranum: Yeah, I know the reason.
Jordan: God damn it.
zbranum: I know the reason.
Andrew: Uh, that's not good to laugh about. I mean, it's been like 30 years.
zbranum: I don't know, man, Bill Scarsgard's a G. I like Bill Scarsgard.
Jordan: Yeah, I, I love Skarsgard.
zbranum: I want to see him do well, you know, I. So a lot of my my hope for it isn't because I like the crow or the property or think it needs remake or anything or cash grab, whatever you want to call it. It's I just I want to see Bill Scarsgard keep showing up in movies and the way that happens is, you know, appearing in successful movies.
Andrew: That is true. Not, not also, not a good look is that, uh, boy kills world had a budget of 25 million and returned, uh, 1 .6 million domestically.
zbranum: Yeah, I was ashamed ah to hear that.
Jordan: ah
zbranum: I haven't seen it yet. I plan to watch it. I heard it was really good.
Andrew: I enjoyed it. I liked it. Ooh. Beetlejuice.
Andrew: Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. What do you guys think? We're going to go.
Jordan: That movie will make more money than it deserves to.
Andrew: Yo.
zbranum: Hey, hey hey hey what what's behind that?
Andrew: first off, first off, first off.
zbranum: let's Let's pick that apart.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah. it What?
zbranum: Break that down a little bit. What's going on here?
Andrew: Yeah.
zbranum: Who hurt you? okay Who hurt you is my first question.
Jordan: Give me an Edward Scissorhands 2 before this Beetlejuice shit. I don't care.
zbranum: Maybe Beetlejuice is walking so that Edward Scissorhands too can run.
Jordan: I'd love an old ass Johnny Depp coming back, his fucking Edward Scissorhands.
Andrew: but
Andrew: but' see
zbranum: Speaking of Johnny Depp, you know what I saw recently um was the the professor with him in it, which got critically just bombed, annihilated, I think like 10 % on Rod and Samayos or something.
Andrew: but
zbranum: But I actually liked it. I mean, it wasn't like, ah oh, my God, this movie is so profound and I'm going to rewatch it.
Andrew: Let's
zbranum: But I thought it I thought it was cool.
Andrew: see.
zbranum: I thought it was interesting just to watch so that the premise of The Professor is he's don in his fifties, maybe finds out that his lung cancer and is going to die.
Jordan: Bye.
zbranum: And he just starts to. not care about his job and, you know, the things that don't matter because he knows he's going to die. So he starts kind of living in the life he should have been living. And it, I thought it was interesting.
Andrew: yeah um I'm a sucker for those kinds of movies, honestly.
zbranum: If you haven't seen it, man, check it out. I thought it was cool. I like Johnny Depp too.
Andrew: I'll check it out. It's one of those movies that has an 80 % audience score and a 10 % critic score.
zbranum: Yup. Yeah. It sounds about right. So I'm in the 80 % audience.
Jordan: We all know why they bombed it.
Andrew: All right.
zbranum: Why?
Jordan: And I'm going to leave it at that because they hate Captain Jack Sparrow.
zbranum: Come on, let me hear it. Why? Tell me.
Jordan: They couldn't take him down. He's an innocent man.
Andrew: yeah but Wait, wait, wait, wait. Beeljuice, though, box office, over under $650 million.
zbranum: Andr, Andr.
Jordan: You know, I must say under.
Andrew: So the reason I'm bringing $650 million is that the if you go to the box office projection sites, it's in the running, it's being predicted with ah forecasting to be the highest opening weekend of the year.
zbranum: So what, are you telling me you're doing cheat codes over here while we're giving our unfiltered, unadulterated, you know, guesses?
Andrew: on this one. Yeah.
zbranum: yeah I hear that keyboard clacking.
Jordan: It's like wall hacks.
Andrew: Yeah. So it's a it's a it's a it's looking like 120 million dollar opening.
zbranum: That's pretty big, man, for Beetlejuice.
Andrew: Yeah. You have to like Tim Burton. He rakes. You look like Alice in Wonderland made over a billion dollars. His movies just do very well.
Jordan: How did Dumbo do?
Andrew: I don't know, I don't remember, didn't Dumbo...
zbranum: I don't think it did well, Dumbo.
Jordan: I don't think it did either.
Andrew: Dumbo made...
Jordan: And the cast was stacked.
Andrew: Dumbo made 360 million.
zbranum: Yeah, Danny. Had Danny in it.
Jordan: Yep.
Jordan: um
zbranum: Off of a budget of what, man?
Jordan: Danny's in Beetlejuice too as well.
zbranum: They spent good money on that, didn't they?
Andrew: 170, so I got the 2x.
zbranum: I don't know, man, with the marketing and everything that Disney does, typically.
Jordan: Yeah.
zbranum: I don't know if that's actually in the money. Is that in the money?
Andrew: I'm sure Disney says it's not.
Jordan: yeah Who gives a fuck what that mouse says?
Andrew: All right. So I want to i' go to say um want say under on Beetlejuice as well. i think I think the people that are hyped about Beetlejuice are just very loud.
Jordan: Yeah.
Andrew: And I don't know. I think you and Isaac probably have a better insight into how those ah actual projection systems for how movies are gonna do, considering they're one of our jobs in college.
zbranum: Yeah, right.
Andrew: And how skewed they could be based off who's running those studies.
zbranum: Could be very skewed.
Andrew: All right, go ahead.
Jordan: I could be completely wrong in this, but before we get off Beetlejuice, I feel like Beetlejuice is being marketed towards millennials. But I feel like Beetlejuice's real following is Gen X.
zbranum: I agree with that.
Jordan: And I don't think Gen X is going to show up.
Jordan: So I think that's where the movie is going to fail.
Andrew: I don't know. I think the Gen X will all show up. I know my sister, I mean, this is anecdotal. My sister's a Gen X and she is super hyped about it. You just don't see them on social media. They're not on there, you know?
Jordan: Yeah, that's true.
Andrew: And man, you know what you know what ah I didn't think though is they didn't have to kill off the dad and then they kind of had to change it all to not have Alec Baldwin in there. like Talk about two unfortunate past cast members.
Jordan: Well, they didn't want him shooting anyone.
Andrew: Because you heard what happened to the dad. And then the dad was, he got caught with some very bad stuff and went to jail.
Jordan: Oh, I didn't even know about that.
Andrew: Yeah.
zbranum: Yeah, I didn't know that either.
Andrew: So yeah, he's gone.
zbranum: So you got someone who shot someone, you got another pervert running around.
Andrew: Yeah.
zbranum: Oh God, murderer in a pervert.
Andrew: Yeah, that kids. All right. All right. So, so we got locked it on those. We're going to go with ah the next Joker movie. The first Joker.
zbranum: I hope that movie bombs.
Andrew: All right, so I don't think it's going to make it.
zbranum: I thought, look, let the record reflect. I want to make some enemies with what I'm about to say.
Andrew: yeah
zbranum: Joaquin Phoenix did not deserve an Oscar for his portrayal of the Joker. That incel, love and movie bullshit. I did not like Joker at all. Todd Phillips is not a great director by any measure.
Andrew: two Yeah, old school.
zbranum: I'm not down with it.
Andrew: Hangover, you know? Man, I'm still mad. The Joker's one of my favorite characters ever. I'm mad about his portrayal of the Joker.
zbranum: I have a Joker tattoo, man.
Andrew: Yeah, I'm mad about the Joker portrayal. Like, Jordan's mad about the acolyte.
zbranum: You know, I think I'm mad, but it was also close to Leto doing his thing that I kind of just like, we got two shit Jokers in a row, in my opinion.
Jordan: I don't think my.
Jordan: Let me make some enemies. Leto's Joker is better than Joaquin's.
Andrew: oh
zbranum: ah Oh, that's, ooh, spicy.
Andrew: How do I, how do I, how do I back out of frame and audio?
Jordan: Yeah.
Andrew: I'm not part of the start.
zbranum: Yeah, I, oh man, I don't know that I can like get behind that, but I like it.
Jordan: He's not associated with me.
Andrew: I like like, I like the, I like the hot, I like the spiciness, but oh no, I don't know if I agree with that.
Jordan: If you. If you go with the comics, if you really had to put them side by side, let us betrayal is more accurate. I'm not saying it's good, but it is more accurate to what the Joker would be.
zbranum: All right, the whole I'm picking up what you're putting down.
Andrew: yeah Yeah, I don't want, I don't like my Joker to be a weekend cell man.
zbranum: I could see that. I could see that.
zbranum: Yeah.
Andrew: It makes me a sad boy.
zbranum: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, like what, the the crown prince of crime kind of thing. That's more what Leto was doing versus Joaquin just.
Andrew: Yes.
Jordan: Right.
Andrew: Beat up but beat on the bullies.
zbranum: Yeah.
Jordan: It was basically the. I'm so sorry to say this. They basically took the Aurora shooting who dressed up like Joker into a movie.
zbranum: Yeah, school shooter. Turned him into Joker.
zbranum: Yep. I don't support school shooters, so I don't support.
Andrew: Oh my god.
zbranum: Todd Phillips is Joker.
Jordan: Exactly.
Andrew: Yeah, we we started off so proper in the beginning.
Jordan: Exactly.
Jordan: I can feel our subscribers leaving.
zbranum: This is, I mean, spicy takes, right?
Andrew: yeah I think this last half is where more where we're trying to keep the tone of the podcast anyways.
zbranum: It's that's what we're doing.
Jordan: I love them.
zbranum: That's true. If, if your feelings aren't hurt, you know, why, why are you here? That kind of thing.
Jordan: Exactly.
Andrew: All right, Craven the Hunter. Over under 350 million.
zbranum: I hope under, but I do like Aaron Taylor Johnson and it's quite impressive how jacked he's gotten for that role.
Jordan: under
Andrew: dude It has a great director attached.
Jordan: under who's the director who most violent years good the trailer didn't sell me though
zbranum: Who's directing?
Andrew: JC Chandler, who did Bargent Call, Most Violent Year, All Is Lost.
Andrew: yeah he did you He even did Triple Frontier, which is a great action movie.
zbranum: Damn.
Andrew: And this guy just makes good movies.
zbranum: Triple frontier. I didn't get down with it.
Andrew: I mean, was a whats it it was a, let's say it was a, Triple Frontier was a competently made movie, if I would say.
zbranum: But that's that doesn't discount the others.
Andrew: I don't think it was great or anything, but was it wasn't offensive. And I think people that watched it probably had a good time, you know?
zbranum: Yeah.
Andrew: Margin Cole, I thought was one of the better movies of the last decade. As far as, I mean, that doesn't, The skills of a margin car aren't going to translate at all to the creative and the hunter, but I just thought I'd love that movie.
Jordan: I think this is my problem with Craven the Hunter and this is also going to touch into the recent Spider -Man game as well. Sony and Marvel need to stop trying to make Craven the Hunter happen. I don't think he is a villain that puts people in seats. I don't think people care about Craven the Hunter. I think he was even weak in the video game. There's so many more villains that they could be focusing on. And so far we've gotten Venom, which I like the first movie. I don't like the second one. I don't know about the third one. And then we got Morbius and that's I'm gonna leave it at that. And then I think Craven's gonna fall to the same fate.
Andrew: So that's where I'm kind of split, right? So the track record is horrible for that whole, except for, you know, Venom, which I think that if you don't have Tom Hardy in Venom, I think Venom falls completely on his face.
Jordan: Oh, yeah.
Andrew: And I think that what, I think what we're going to see though is I think, uh, I think Air Taylor Johnson before Craven to Hunter comes out gets named the next J .O. It's bond. And I think there's just going to be a lot of momentum going into that movie.
Jordan: That's a good that's a good theory.
zbranum: I hope that's the case.
Jordan: I hope he's James Bond more than anything. I would love that.
zbranum: Yep, yep, me too.
Andrew: yeah he gets it yeah He gets named James Bond, and if the movie gets decent reviews, and all of a sudden people are interested in him as like an A -list actor, that I could see that movie, I could see it cleared way over 350 billion and be in the Venom territory.
zbranum: Yeah.
Jordan: With the with the timeline timeline we're living in right now, though, um the next James Bond is going to be Ruby Rose directed by the chick who did Acolyte.
zbranum: ah
Andrew: but Let the record show that Jordan doesn't like female main characters. i
zbranum: but Do you like Ray Skywalker?
Jordan: Not true. I don't know who that is.
zbranum: yeah
Andrew: but right What else we got? you like Did you like the female Ghostbusters movie?
Jordan: Furiosa, I think Furiosa is one of the best female written characters in Hollywood. I think that I have not seen Furiosa yet, but I did see Fury Road in theaters three times.
Andrew: Did you see it in theaters?
Andrew: Fair enough for Tom Hardy.
Jordan: Um, I just, personal life wise, you guys know why I'm not really getting out right now, but, um, yeah, furious.
zbranum: yeah
Andrew: hey I get it.
zbranum: Yeah.
Jordan: I want to see before it's out of there. It's definitely on my list. Otherwise I'm just a fake and a phony and I made it fail.
Andrew: All right. So you guys are both under on the 350.
Jordan: Yeah.
Andrew: I'll go.
zbranum: Yeah, well, yeah, I'll say under, but I do like this James Bond theory.
Andrew: I'll go.
Jordan: It is a good theory.
zbranum: I do like that. I think if if that does happen, it'll I think you're right. I think it'll drive people in who are curious. Oh, that's the new James Bond. OK, let's see what he has, you know, that whole deal.
Andrew: All right. Sonic three over, under 400 million.
Jordan: over.
zbranum: What did the last two make, man? I i thought, Sonic, god here we go.
Andrew: So that it says the first one made 300 million.
zbranum: Here we go.
Andrew: The second one made 400 million. So it's ah increasing.
zbranum: I'm gonna say under.
Jordan: You guys have to remember that Keanu Reeves is shadow.
Andrew: That is true.
zbranum: Under.
Jordan: So they have.
Andrew: yeah and Jim Carrey came out of retirement, right?
Jordan: Oh.
Andrew: To to do this.
Jordan: Yeah.
zbranum: Under, double under. her
Jordan: Wow.
Andrew: I just uh you know, Elba, he's to Knuckles.
zbranum: Yeah, but he has been, hasn't he?
Jordan: Yeah.
Andrew: I think he happened.
Jordan: Yeah, they have a show now.
Andrew: Yeah.
Andrew: Is he voicing it on the show though?
Jordan: Yeah, I believe so.
Andrew: Oh, Lord, the Lord of the Rings. Was it the war? How do you say it? ro
zbranum: ro War of the Rohirrim.
Andrew: yeah all right over on their right in a wide release over under two hundred and fifty billion over yeah yes
zbranum: Over baby, over.
Jordan: Over.
zbranum: 200 million of that's gonna come from me.
Jordan: Yeah.
Andrew: I'm gonna take over on that one as well move also it is the ghost of the show they're right doing it
Jordan: The studio they got behind it with Peter Jackson attached to it, I think it has all it needs to be successful.
Jordan: ah Yes, not the original Ghost in the Shell, I don't think.
Andrew: ah
Jordan: um But he they have done Ghost in the Shell.
Andrew: All right.
Andrew: All right. Mufasa, The Lion King, directed by Barry Jenkins. great That was so surprising.
Jordan: so
Andrew: Barry Jenkins is probably one of the best directors out there right now. I'm surprised he took this. I wonder what movie he made a deal to be able to make to do this one.
zbranum: yeah one for me one for the studio the classic deal classic deal under
Andrew: he Yeah, he's definitely doing that. So I would say over under 1 .1 billion.
zbranum: did I don't think it's can do well I don't now I mean I'm interested but
Andrew: Last one made like, stupid money.
Jordan: under no you don't care about Mufasa it was also timing was good it had a great cast
zbranum: under dude i don't think it's gonna do well i don't
Andrew: Under?
Andrew: No?
zbranum: no i mean i'm interested but
zbranum: Don't mess with Mufasa, man. you know Don't do Darth Vader like that.
Andrew: Wait. The last one did uh, made 1 .6 billion.
Jordan: And it's, you know, the movie we all know now they're going into uncharted territory and fucking with a character that shouldn't be touched, in my opinion.
Andrew: Did I mean, yeah, a hundred percent. I agree with that. I just think that parents want kids movies. So if they can take them to see that, they'll also not be forced to be built by.
Jordan: Hmm, they got Paddington for that.
Andrew: And.
Jordan: Whoop, whoop.
Andrew: All right. All right. So we got that one.
zbranum: I don't like Paddington, let the record reflect.
Andrew: You know, we don't need that talk on here.
Jordan: Mm hmm.
Andrew: Gladiator two.
Jordan: Too toxic.
Andrew: Over under 250 million.
zbranum: Oh, uh, what's his name? Paul is another up and coming, you know, I think a lister.
Jordan: Yeah, he's been killing it.
Andrew: Let's go Yeah, oh
zbranum: Yeah. He's in this, this crop of of folks that we were mentioning earlier. who Who else is in the in a Gladiator 2? Someone else has attached that.
Andrew: Yeah, you got no you got a huge cast you got Denzel Washington Pedro Pascal Barry Keegan Says it mean it just it's gonna depend on how much people want to see gladiator movie without Russell Crowe
Jordan: Yeah. Yeah, a bunch of people.
zbranum: Yeah, Pedro, that's what I'm thinking, yep.
zbranum: Dude, I think people are gonna show the fuck up, you know, Gladiator,
Jordan: I think yeah.
zbranum: It's a classic. A lot of lot of people love Gladiator. um i think yeah russellrow sure like yeah you know I love Crowe, but I don't think he's necessary. I think the property is bigger than Russell Crowe is. You know, like, yeah, he made the film, sure.
Jordan: Agreed.
Andrew: i
zbranum: But Joaquin did as well. He was in it, you know. And I think just, you know, all these memes, oh, how often does your man think about the Roman Empire?
Andrew: yeah
Andrew: Yeah Yeah No hundred I could see that the first one made 470 million huge hit That might be that might be
zbranum: You know, like that kind of thing.
Andrew: yeah
zbranum: I think there's infatuation with the average male moviegoer with this honor and glory, ancient Rome, you know, all that.
Andrew: yeah
Andrew: and hundred i could see that the first one made four hundred and seventy million
Jordan: Yep.
Andrew: huge it yeah might be
Jordan: I think I think gladiator will hit top 10.
Andrew: that might be
Andrew: I think it'll hit top 10.
Jordan: Yeah.
Andrew: So, all right. So, oh, bre Scott.
zbranum: Who's directing?
Jordan: Yeah, really, Scott.
zbranum: He's coming back for it?
Andrew: Yeah.
zbranum: Okay, hold on, hold on. Let's pull up his list.
Andrew: you you
zbranum: I called this shit, I was ranting about this last year.
Andrew: Well, Napoleon sucked.
zbranum: Pull it up.
Andrew: That was his last. So that's his next one. is
Jordan: Yes, a gladiator is going to be great.
zbranum: Yeah, that's that, it's every other man, every other. Hold on though, I need to pull up all his bullshit, Sir Ridley. Hold on, hold on.
Andrew: ah
zbranum: Okay, so last duel I liked, Hausa Gucci was Napoleon.
Andrew: It was
zbranum: napoleon I still haven't seen Napoleon. I regret to inform um you know everyone listening and the two of you, but I haven't seen it yet.
Andrew: alright.
zbranum: But the thing about Napoleon, my brother watched it and he told me he liked it. He didn't say he was blown away by it, but he said he liked it.
Jordan: Before we continue onward, I would just like for the record to show for you guys and anyone listening that the last duel is severely underrated.
zbranum: 100 % underrated. That's a great movie.
Jordan: Great movie.
zbranum: I love the narrative structure where you see the point of view from all three main characters who are, you know, tied up in the the the conflict, the love triangle, whatever the hell you want to call it. And I love that I started watching the movie and in the first 40 minutes I thought I knew how I felt about each of the characters. And then seeing the next viewpoint, I completely shifted my opinion saying the final viewpoint shifted it again. And by the end, I was just like, I don't know who the hell deserves to die at this point.
Andrew: And that movie made like $8.
zbranum: Yeah.
Andrew: because
zbranum: Yeah. It did not do well. What 30 million off a hundred million dollar budget.
Jordan: Some bullshit.
Andrew: He had a huge cast, like yeah Matt Damon.
zbranum: You know, I blame blonde as fuck Ben Affleck.
Andrew: That was bad.
Jordan: Should've gave my boss an accent.
zbranum: Don't make him blonde.
Andrew: ah
zbranum: Remember in Fight Club when he's like, you're too fucking blonde to Jared Leto?
Andrew: yeah
Jordan: yeah
zbranum: That's how I felt as soon as Affleck showed up on screen.
Andrew: Alright, so we got that one. So you guys you guys think it's gonna clear 250 easy? Let's do a secondary one. Do you think it clears 450 like the old one?
zbranum: Yeah, hell yeah, let me be optimistic.
Jordan: We're saw on Gladiator.
Andrew: Yeah, put a number out there, guys.
zbranum: I'm saying 612 million.
Jordan: 700.
Andrew: 612?
Jordan: I'm saying 700.
Andrew: I'm gonna say 383.
Jordan: hey
zbranum: I say goddamn.
Andrew: yeah
Jordan: you
Andrew: All right, what do we got here? Let's do Venom now. So how much did the Venom 2 make?
zbranum: Did I hope the third venom bombs? I hope it completely bombs.
Andrew: So Venom 2 made 500 million. So I'm going to say over under 400 billion.
Jordan: over.
Jordan: I think venom is gonna hit eight.
zbranum: God, dude, I have no faith in the average movie goer if that's true.
Jordan: I dude, I honestly think venom horse is gonna be so it's already so mean. It's gonna be huge.
Andrew: Yeah, I like the venom horse. I'm about the venom horse, for sure.
Jordan: it it It is some of the coolest shit I've ever seen and I don't even care about that movie.
Andrew: Yeah.
zbranum: That breaks my heart.
Jordan: Zach, you just sound taken back right now.
zbranum: I'm just sad.
Andrew: ah
Jordan: It got quiet.
zbranum: I'm just sad. I'm just hurt right now. I'm all kinds of hurt. I'm questioning where where I am in the timeline right now. Why why the state of movies are the way they are.
Andrew: I wanted to seven hundred million.
Jordan: Ugh.
Andrew: First one basically.
zbranum: Wait, they're making a sequel to that?
Andrew: Comes up November twenty seventh.
Jordan: Yep.
Andrew: First one made.
Jordan: Yep.
Andrew: I like the first one was fun.
Jordan: Nope.
zbranum: Actually, I do like the first one and I do like some of the songs in there and still find myself singing them.
Jordan: Okay. Hold on.
Andrew: It's just a guy that did Hamilton to the songs.
Jordan: winsor When's the last time you watched Moana?
Andrew: I watched it three times.
zbranum: ah Probably six months ago, maybe.
Andrew: this week
Jordan: Hmm.
zbranum: Six to nine maybe.
Andrew: I was at the doctor's office and they had a plan on the TV and I i think it was a night waiting room for like an hour so I watched like half of it.
Jordan: Anything is better than just in there Spicy take incoming Lin -Manuel's overrated I
zbranum: Hey, Lin -Manuel Miranda is a boss, okay?
Andrew: But he's he's not back for this one.
zbranum: Well, then there goes all my faith and hope.
Andrew: He's on the, he's on the Lion King I'm pretty sure. I'll put him on that.
zbranum: Why? Hold on.
Andrew: Wait.
zbranum: Let's see some receipts and some something to back that up.
Andrew: Yeah, this is spicier than the Paddington takes.
Jordan: feel like he has been forced upon us since Hamilton. um And I just i I don't think he as as brilliant of a creative as people make him out to be he fucking I hated him in the Mary Poppins sequel.
zbranum: You're just not woke enough, bro. You're not woke.
Andrew: good
Andrew: One second. I'm clipping this to put on Instagram and Twitter.
Jordan: It was annoying.
zbranum: damn yeah dude in the heights is amazing he okay he did theater work before he jumped over to film and he cut his teeth in theater with some great ass plays and as i think that i think the theater work alone
Jordan: Hamilton Hamilton's gonna cancel me bro. ah You guys are gonna have to kick me off the podcast
Andrew: You know, it's um what he did in the Heights, right? There's a table. fair Yeah.
zbranum: proves that the guy is talented and and he is all that he's sold to be.
Andrew: Yeah.
zbranum: you know i Say what you will if you don't like musicals, whatever, fuck off. It takes talent to make something. I don't like musicals and I listen and and and watch his shit. you know I'm not a huge musical fan, but You know, how are you going to do battle wrapping founding fathers and make that interesting to majority of the US American audience, even global, I'd argue.
Andrew: yeah
Andrew: it too it Hit hard to the concept.
zbranum: It takes talent to do that. Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah, the the sunset hard the story hit hard but hes bo yeah What wait tick tick boom dude with
zbranum: Big time.
Jordan: I'm gonna chalk it up to lightning in the bottle.
zbranum: I'm about to freak the fuck out.
Jordan: Wasn't he part of fucking rise Skywalker? He's just an extra. That's his own fault.
zbranum: Yeah, man. Look, he in the Heights is amazing, by the way. I just rewatched in the Heights. I was in New York City a couple of weeks ago and on the way leaving New York City, I watched in the Heights on the plane and was just like, yeah, this bangs, this still hits. And it made me feel like I had just been in New York. it felt like It felt like New York in the in the movie. It's great, man. i I think he's talented as hell.
Andrew: Yeah, that's a good movie.
zbranum: I think he's great.
Andrew: All right.
Jordan: I'm tired of him and his guilty.
Andrew: Oh, man, I got i got one that completely. I'm just going to pretend that you didn't say anything about stuff.
zbranum: you know and And his work on The Little Mermaid was good too.
Andrew: Yeah, it was. He's good.
zbranum: Yeah, I liked i liked his work on The Little Mermaid. And I like The Little Mermaid. We have a whole episode on that, if you want to know how I feel about The Little Mermaid.
Jordan: That's everyone likes what they like. Like you said earlier, you know, you can like things that aren't good.
Andrew: Yeah, but you're not allowed to not like it like Hamilton.
Jordan: I've never even seen.
Andrew: All right.
zbranum: I'm done. I'm done. That's a wrap. That's a wrap.
Jordan: Oh, shit.
Andrew: All right. Spider -Man Beyond Spider -Verse.
zbranum: When's that come out?
Andrew: Over on.
zbranum: I thought that was delayed.
Andrew: So it's still it's on this list for 2024. So we'll do it over under anyway. So if it doesn't come out, then you guys just are automatically wrong.
zbranum: OK, it doesn't sound fair, but I'll take it.
Andrew: shit ah ah So last one made like $690 million. So we'll do that over under $690.
zbranum: Under. under
Jordan: Under. I think they lost momentum.
zbranum: Me too.
Andrew: I'm going to say over.
Andrew: I think people just.
Jordan: that This is one that can really go both ways, I think.
Andrew: Yeah, I think that I think that everyone's going to remember that they liked it. I don't know. I know you didn't like it, Zach, but.
zbranum: I see the thing is. I think I suffer from not being able to filter out the noise as well as maybe some other people do if if I don't see something immediately and people hype it up. a lot to me and then I go and see something, i my expectations are high. i i Maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm too optimistic or whatever, but I sit here and I listen to people, oh, it's so great, it's this, you're gonna love it. but And I'm like, oh, okay, I'm gonna go in and I'm gonna watch it.
Andrew: You you could you could just say it you could just say I overhyped it i know that i Yeah,
zbranum: Well, it wasn't just you. It was a bunch of people, you know.
Jordan: ah
zbranum: And same thing with Paddington, too. That shit was hyped like crazy. Then I watched and I was like, this is just a cute little fun, typical kids movie. It's nothing that's making me sit here and question my life.
Andrew: yeah Pat I will say this pattington is
Jordan: Holy fuck.
Andrew: if you took a Wes Anderson movie a minute to a kid's film.
Jordan: Yes, great summary.
zbranum: So no, not even close. I'm all my gosh, I'm going to freak out, man.
Jordan: he united a prison bro brought him together with the fucking taste of marmalade how dare you that cute ass bear with all the with all the pink and yeah
Andrew: Dude, the visuals of the prison thing um almost seems like you're directly taken from
zbranum: And that's Wes Anderson level of.
zbranum: The color palette, sure, maybe, yeah, the pink and all that.
Andrew: Before talking like, I'm not saying it has the craftsmanship and having everything be center frame.
zbranum: Well, that's, I mean, to sit there and and try to compare it to Wes Anderson, the craftsmanship is huge.
Andrew: I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying if he turned into a guest movie.
zbranum: I just watched Grand Budapest last night or the night before, so i i'm I'm offended right now, okay?
Andrew: but I mean, yeah,
Jordan: god I love that movie.
zbranum: It's fresh.
Andrew: yeah the French dispatch is underrated.
Jordan: Paddington 2 is incredible.
zbranum: French dispatch is super underrated.
Andrew: I'm still sad that people don't like that movie.
zbranum: But Leia's in it this way.
Andrew: That's why Jordan don't like it.
zbranum: He doesn't like the French.
Jordan: I haven't seen the French dispatch. I haven't seen that other movie of his, he just did recently either, and I don't care to.
Andrew: Yup.
zbranum: The asteroid city.
Jordan: Yeah.
zbranum: Yeah. Yeah. What's he coming out with next? Anything on the books?
Andrew: um I mean, his last one was ah And her sugar.
zbranum: Uh, yeah, but that wasn't a theatrical release.
Andrew: Oh, you guys, you got Oscar.
Jordan: If he were a smart man, he would do Fantastic Mr. Fox too.
Andrew: So he doing at the...
zbranum: I think his best films are Grand Budapest and Isle of dogs.
Jordan: Fucking love that movie.
Andrew: I think Grand Budapest, Budapest Kingdom.
Jordan: Agreed. And fantastic.
Andrew: Yeah, fantastic Mr. Fox, too. World's out of bums.
zbranum: Ten of bombs is bomb too. That's what got me into him.
Andrew: Yeah, World Ten of Bobs was one of my favorite movies ever. I could watch that movie at any time.
Andrew: Dude, I don't know about you guys, but World Ten of Bobs was like that first time that I was ever in a comedy and then I just saw it get really dark and depressing, like on a switch with that suicide scene. As like a 13 -year -old, that like blew my mind.
zbranum: Now, you know, a movie did that for me. It really made me sit there and go, holy shit. Take one guess.
Andrew: Alright, so every part of me wants to say panics.
Jordan: Wait, it's a Wes Anderson film?
zbranum: No, not Paddington. no I'm ah being serious right now.
Andrew: Wait, wait, can you give me a hint?
zbranum: So you you said, you know, you're watching a comedy and then something dark happens. It really switches things up. There's a film that does that really well, in my opinion.
Andrew: Bird after reading?
zbranum: And it's a it's no, no. I mean, that's kind of close in that. But I'm talking dark like this is a dark comedy, dark comedy.
Andrew: Oh, phil oh,
Jordan: In Bruges
zbranum: No, it's kind of mainstream. I mean, it has a huge actor in it who's no longer alive.
Andrew: he's, is it he's ledger.
Jordan: Oh That movie was depressing
Andrew: movie Wait.
zbranum: No, he was in Flubber.
Andrew: Oh, uh, wait. Are you talking about, uh, world's greatest dad?
zbranum: I am. Yep. That's a movie that I watch dry.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. That was so good. Yeah.
zbranum: Yeah, just going into it. I had no idea what was going to happen. You know, I didn't read any anything about the film.
Andrew: Wait, did we watch that together back in the day?
zbranum: I don't know. I mean, it was a long time ago.
Andrew: I think we did. I think we watched it, like maybe back in college.
zbranum: I felt like that was like high school time now.
Andrew: It might have been high school, yeah. And I think, I remember the fucking, when he just walks in in the bedroom.
zbranum: Yep. And his son and, you know, yeah.
Andrew: Yeah, and we were just both like, holy yeah.
zbranum: And his son, like, yeah, his son's an asshole and all this throughout the the first, you know, third of the film. But I didn't realize his son was going to die. And it goes dark.
Andrew: Yes by kids This
zbranum: Yeah. That guy's married to a Meghan Trainor, the singer.
Jordan: Yeah.
Andrew: is this is interesting You know
zbranum: Yeah. Yeah.
Jordan: But dude, the end of the film, when he just finally like. Tells it how it is and how he really died and shit.
zbranum: Yeah. Yeah. And then he goes and jumps in the pool.
Jordan: It's.
zbranum: He's just like, fuck this.
Andrew: Dude, I love that this Bobcat Goldfosser place, or however you say it, is the director. The guy that does the funny voice of like the Police Academy movies.
zbranum: Oh, I did not realize that.
Jordan: Really?
Andrew: Yeah.
Jordan: Shit.
zbranum: Yeah, man. World's greatest dad. And the thing about that movie is it's funny. It's extremely dark, but every time I watch it, I sit there and I'm like I feel the pain because you can tell he loves his son so much and is really trying to be a good dad to him and his son walks all over him you know and like straight just destroys and breaks his heart and the dad is like he wants to be a cool dad he wants to be successful he wants all these things and he wants his son to do well and then he loses his son and
zbranum: It just, it kind of hits close to home, I think, just the people I know in my life and and, you know, just, yeah, I don't know. That's a good -ass movie.
Andrew: that's a good one yeah that's a great one
zbranum: It's a good movie.
Jordan: I think I saw I saw that movie um after his death. And. I think that is what made it hit for me in the way his character was betrayed in that movie, too, because it was kind of within. The time frame like he didn't have that many movies after World's Grace that I don't think maybe a handful. And I feel like part of what ails him was on screen in his character.
zbranum: I could see that, yeah.
Andrew: Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah, exactly. Cool.
zbranum: I don't know, man, moment moment of silence for Robin Williams, right?
Andrew: Yep.
zbranum: like I feel like like I know that people
Jordan: One of the greatest
Andrew: yep
zbranum: respect him and like he's still like top tier, but I feel like he's been gone now. It's been a while, but I feel like I don't hear people talk about him as much as like he should be talked about. If that makes sense.
Andrew: Yeah, i think I think it's gonna take some time. When did he die, like six years ago?
Jordan: 2014.
Andrew: Shit, it's been that long though.
zbranum: Damn, 10 years, man.
Jordan: It's been that long. um What's got me excited is I don't know if you guys have seen it, but there's an audio that's starting to trend on social media from death to smoochie.
Andrew: Dude, that was a wild movie.
Jordan: ah One of my favorite I love that fucking movie. So I'm hoping that people are discovering that sound and going and finding that film because if that was if that's your introduction to Robin Williams, it's only fucking this is a great start.
Andrew: That was Danny DeVito directed that right?
Jordan: No way.
zbranum: Yeah, yeah, DeVito did.
Andrew: Yeah Dude
zbranum: Yeah.
Jordan: Damn, I love that movie.
Andrew: this so yeah yeah, he did that and uh, what else was it are those only two that and Matilda we'll see direct ah That I'm way behind on the ball on that one
zbranum: Now, dude, Danny DeVito is directed a ton of shit. Yeah, he let's see. pull Pull up, pull up, pull up his work.
zbranum: Yes, first film was in 82. Um.
Andrew: let's look at like feature like so so we got we got Matilda wait he directed throw mama from the train have you guys seen that oh you guys gotta to see throw mama from the train yeah that's a great movie I
zbranum: Hey man, you can't don't discredit short film. I'd be proud if I had a short film.
zbranum: No, I haven't seen that. Oh, with Billy Crystal, huh?
Jordan: I've seen that, but as a wee lad.
zbranum: Yeah, he directed it.
Jordan: It's been a hot minute.
zbranum: He directed half a two.
Andrew: didn't know he directed Hoffa
zbranum: With Jack with the Jack. He directed duplex nice.
Andrew: You know, I'm pretty sure Jack Nicholson and Danny DeVito were childhood friends.
zbranum: I believe it. I mean, I loved them both and one flew of the cougar's nest.
Andrew: Yeah, actually it says right here that parents owned a hair salon together.
Jordan: Yeah.
Jordan: Oh, shit.
zbranum: That's so cool.
Andrew: That's dope.
Jordan: That is rad.
zbranum: Yeah, I love Danny DeVito. I you kind of pivoting into the TV side of things. Do you think they'll stop? It's always sunny when Danny DeVito dies.
Jordan: Out of respect, they have to.
Andrew: I hope so.
zbranum: That's what I think.
Andrew: I hope they do like, I think they'll do a badass episode of about the Dino.
zbranum: Out of respect, they will.
zbranum: Now, you know what they should do if they had the balls? And I think they do, of course, because they do all kinds of crazy stuff. It would be cool if they did a full season after his death without him, but the whole season was like honoring him, you know, like a full season of just respect thrown down on the man.
Andrew: Yeah.
Jordan: Yeah.
Andrew: It should be like ah the game where he dies, then they find out that Frank's been setting up this entire like orchestrated thing of events that's just like controlling the whole season after he dies.
zbranum: Yeah, like take P .S. I love you, but like make it dirty, nasty.
Andrew: Yeah. me
zbranum: It's always sunny style. Like here's a letter from Frank.
Jordan: I wonder, I wonder if Rob would have the balls to make his actual funeral an episode.
zbranum: Oh, my God, we're going to get addicted to crack again or something crazy, you know, like.
Andrew: i don't think to I don't think the family would want that though.
zbranum: Yeah, I wonder.
Jordan: Uh, have you heard he Danny Vito was on a podcast recently and some of the shit they have made him do that never made it to light is insane.
Andrew: No, no, I get that, but I'm saying like, you know his entire like ah He's such a renowned and respected person. that he's not like and's something ah It's always something in Philadelphia that's a small part of what makes Danny DeVito great.
Jordan: Yeah.
Andrew: you know like There's so many other people connected to him.
Jordan: I disagree.
Andrew: oh no i mean It's a huge thing for why he's relevant now, but that guy goes way back. you know
zbranum: Yeah, he's been in the game forever. I I hope that they're talking about it.
Jordan: yeah
zbranum: They have to be talking about it, you know, like Rob and all them with Danny, they have to be talking about like, you know, we keep doing this until you die or, you know, how do we sit here and like pay tribute?
Jordan: yeah
zbranum: I mean, I'd be talking about it with you guys if we had a show and, you know, we're all old.
Andrew: yeah
zbranum: They have to be it'd be
Jordan: Yeah. Yeah. If I was in the game that long with them and I died, I would want them to incorporate my actual death like into it somehow. In a respectful tone that as as respectful was always sunny allows it to be.
zbranum: It'd be cool if they made Danny DeVito like the actor, a character in the show.
Jordan: I don't know, man, it's weird.
Andrew: Yeah. That'd be cool.
zbranum: You know what I mean? Like, so like Frank dies or the whatever they do with Frank, whatever, but like they sit there and they go, holy shit, Danny DeVito died. And like, let's go to his funeral and pay our respects or something. You know what I mean? Like that would be interesting.
Andrew: yeah
Jordan: Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah.
zbranum: Like take it very meta.
Andrew: You know, we like you don't be kind of fun.
zbranum: Rob hit me up, hit me up Rob.
Andrew: of
zbranum: I got ideas man.
zbranum: I'm not saying they're good ideas, but I got ideas.
Andrew: He's got to be. We got to do a Danny DeVito like selected work stay where we watch like five of those movies.
zbranum: I'm super down for that. There's a lot of stuff he's done that I haven't seen.
Andrew: I wanna go back to like the 80s and like, you know, hit up like, we definitely gotta watch twins.
zbranum: Oh, I love twins.
Andrew: We gotta go back to twins, maybe do like, how are some other ones?
Jordan: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
zbranum: I love twins.
Andrew: Definitely like definitely throw mama from the train, that's gonna be my like submission.
Andrew: What would you guys throw in?
zbranum: Hmm.
Jordan: Death is oochie.
Andrew: There you go, that's Gucci, that's a good one.
Jordan: I fucking love that movie.
zbranum: i know I mean, yeah, twins is great. Um, Batman returns, baby.
Andrew: Oh, there we go.
Jordan: yeah
zbranum: That's 92, but still.
Andrew: What else was there? There was, I think
Jordan: Yeah.
zbranum: I love Matilda.
Jordan: Yeah, I'm until this great.
zbranum: But I get shorty. You guys like get shorty.
Andrew: I like it shorty. I was thinking, what's the other one you was with?
Jordan: Mm hmm.
Andrew: You do 10 men. That's like, what do you do with Richard Dreyfuss?
zbranum: I've never seen that.
Andrew: We definitely got to do it.
zbranum: Yeah, we should do a bunch of movies of his that we haven't seen or the majority of us have not seen. That'd be cool.
Jordan: I'm just hoping that Danny DeVito is.
zbranum: Damn, that dude, that will hit me. I met Danny DeVito.
Jordan: Yeah.
zbranum: you know like that That'll hit when he passes, I think.
Andrew: yeah
Andrew: Yeah.
zbranum: like When Robin Williams passed, I remember where I was at. I was working out at the gym, saw it on the news, on the TV. I remember completely. And, you know, I grew up watching all his films.
Andrew: Oh, yeah.
zbranum: So that, that was like, Ooh, that was the first celebrity death that I felt like, wow, like that impacts me in a weird way that actually doesn't, but you know what I mean.
Andrew: ah Yeah, I think 100%. Mine was ah George Carlin. But he passed.
zbranum: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. George Carlin recipes to the greatest of all time.
Andrew: That was a... I don't know.
Jordan: Not even gonna say mine.
Andrew: Did Dave Chappelle's trying to take that title? Come on, man.
Jordan: Nah.
zbranum: No one will top, Carlin, no one.
Andrew: No.
Jordan: Nope.
Andrew: All right, so who's yours shortest?
Jordan: This is all childhood and nostalgia attachment. But when Jason, when Jason David Frank died, who is the Green Ranger and Power Rangers.
Andrew: Oh, yeah.
Jordan: I straight up like I I cried like I had actual tears. It fucking devastated me. And to hear the the reason or the cause, it was just like, holy shit, dude.
Andrew: Let's do the suicide, right?
Jordan: Like I literally. Yeah, he killed himself and.
Jordan: Just like how pivotal of a role he played in my childhood and like. I people say it all the time, like you say it jokingly like, oh, like. my inner child died like i actually felt like that happened at that moment like i lost a part of my youth that day yeah that's the thing like you you do develop these attachments almost to you know because i think
Andrew: Yes I've been.
Jordan: media like that, it has so much influence on you as a person, it can shape your humor, your personality, like all that shit, like there's people can put a lot of stake into it.
Andrew: Man, that's the second death from that original Power Rangers, right? The Yellow Ranger, she died.
Jordan: ah She did, didn't she?
Andrew: Yeah, she got a... Who was it? Kevin James' wife was driving and got her killed, I think.
Jordan: Yeah,
Andrew: Oh, I know. That's not the story. The Yellow Ranger was driving with another actress and Kevin James' wife actually caused, like, what's the other driver? Like hit some gravel and like caused them to crash.
Jordan: That's crazy.
Andrew: Yeah, it's a small world, isn't it?
Jordan: I did not know that. Yeah.
Jordan: But yeah, dude, when DeVito whenever that time comes.
Jordan: That's a call out of work and like watch always sunny all day kind of shit. Just be sad and feel it.
zbranum: Amen Amen I can second that Yeah You know the speaking of and and going back to Jack that'll be ah another one that gets me is Jack Nicholson Jack is up there too, man
Jordan: Yeah.
Jordan: I'm hoping that his physique is the key to immortality though. So we'll see.
Andrew: Right? he's He started 80, right?
Jordan: Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah.
Andrew: That'll give you two.
Jordan: Arnold Schwarzenegger will be one of them for me.
zbranum: Yeah, for sure. I feel like Arnold has a couple more years in him, for sure.
Andrew: Depends on the steroid.
Jordan: I don't know. Didn't didn't he have a medical complication recently? That was kind of like, oh, shit.
zbranum: Yeah, I think I saw something like that.
Jordan: Yeah.
Jordan: Man, we trailed way off.
Andrew: hey
zbranum: Well, we we went, you know, the death the death of of the box office kind of to now the death of Actors We Love.
Andrew: yeah
Jordan: We got sad.
Jordan: Yeah, it's total.
Andrew: right Yeah I think we're we're out of our 40 minutes guys, this is ah just a is a anymore
zbranum: I think, I think we're at time, you know, I think, uh, leaving on like a very somber kind of note. Yeah.
Andrew: It'll trail out with that sad piano song you played earlier.
zbranum: Yeah. Here, here we go. All right. Peace be with you people.
Jordan: ah Uhhh...
zbranum: All right, all right, all right. no the No sad piano, but this is goodbye for now.
