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Speaker: Our values have been with us for a while, so at some point, fun or play or creativity would have been part of who we are. And maybe they aren't the biggest part of who we are now, but they are still a component. And people embracing that sense of fun, embracing that sense of adventure is really freeing and really challenging. How do I bring a sense of play to my work? How do I bring a sense of fun or adventure to my relationship?
Speaker: This is the Home of Healthspan podcast, where we profile health and wellness role models, sharing their stories and the tools, practices, and routines they use to live a lively life.
Speaker: Joey Chandler, welcome to the Home of Healthspan podcast. Thank you so much for having me. i'm excited to have this conversation. I am as well. And before we get into the conversation, how would you describe yourself?
Speaker: Well, I am a lively and I am a ah core values coach. I help people clarify their values and more importantly, make use of them in their day-to-day life.
Speaker: I'm also a dad, photographer, skier, and um i live in Reno, Nevada. Very nice. Yeah, I think this is an interesting conversation to have because so much in the health and wellness space and and on this show as well gets into the what. What do you need to do to be healthier? What do you need to do to be less unhealthy?
Speaker: And a lot of times we can lose sight of the why. And we find for something to be sustainable and maintain over the duration of your life, which is the goal,
Speaker: You need a clear why that you can come back to as the purpose. And that's a big part of the Alively app is, hey, now we identify what you're working on, how you're going to do it, but why are you doing it in the first place? And so can you talk about your own journey to that kind of values coaching, values identification? What what made you realize how important that was in your own life?
Speaker: Yeah, it's a it's a great point. i um I was one of those guys that didn't listen to my body and then I burnt out. yeah I woke up in January of 2022 and just completely exhausted. i was i was going through a divorce. My business was struggling. i was living alone for the first time in 20 years, post-COVID, just a bunch of stuff. And I woke up one day and I said, you know what?
Speaker: I can't be anything but myself. it's I'm just too tired. And then a couple days later, i said, okay, well, if I can only be me, then who am I and how can I be more of that?
Speaker: And that that conversation led me into looking into core values. I ah reduced my core values from five to three after hearing a story about how the Navy SEALs put everything in sets of three, because it's just simply easier to remember when you're getting shot at.
Speaker: And it wasn't really a profound thing, but I just said, okay were have three values. And i ended up on on connection, curiosity, and fun. And then I could wake up every day and say, how can I bring a little connection, curiosity, or fun to my day?
Speaker: And when I was burnt out, like literally fun was getting up, going to bathroom, getting drink of water, and getting back into bed because that was all the energy that I had. But I did that. And then I did it the next day and the day after that.
Speaker: And after a few months, i I woke up one day, I'm like, wow, I'm back. And that taught me that being anything other than ourselves is simply exhausting, is just overwhelming. And then the the part that is um ah where i I think I pushed the core values um idea is What made a difference for me wasn't so much saying, hey, what are my values, but how could I use them? it was that second part because I realized there's a difference between who we are and how we operate.
Speaker: And so we need to have a system for applying our values to our challenges, to our our physical fitness, to our mental well-being, to our relationships. And when you do that,
Speaker: You're more grounded. You trigger the intrinsic motivation. so you're just more likely to do things. And I just started exploring that. And then over the past, um so it's been four years now, I developed a system where we we can identify values. We have a system for six questions that help people apply their values to goals. And then we apply their goals to different areas of their life.
Speaker: I find this incredibly important work. I i didn't come across it till later in life, the Awaken the Giant Within, the Tony Robbins book. Yeah. um Had a whole values exercise. And like you, i it took some narrowing and calling because the first time I did, I said, okay, here are my 10 values.
Speaker: And then as he suggests, like go track it. i like, whoa, the 10 is way too many. I can't track this and how they go against. So I narrowed it to five. I find i truly do manage five and then prioritize like what is the number one.
Speaker: But it's, you talked about going through divorce, which is ah ah painful process. And I would imagine informative because you hadn't done it until after the divorce. I didn't do mine until after I was married. And so if you haven't gone through what your own values are,
Speaker: then it's very difficult to find a partner that shares your values because you don't even know what your values are. you You don't know what you're looking for. And it became in my own marriage, you know, I'm divorced, a sticking point, right? We'd been together 19 years and my ex-wife would say, you you've just changed so much. You've changed so much. And my number one value is growth.
Speaker: And so said, well, yeah, I mean, ah I think it's growth or, you know, and and I went on a walk with a friend last week who said, wow, you were so much more self-aware than when I knew you kind of 10 years ago and it was deliberate work. It was growth. That's my number one value. But for her, it's probably something like stability, security, right? So it's not that one thing's better than the other. It's just, if you have values that come into conflict, it's going to be very hard to build a lasting relationship. Have you seen this come up in your work?
Speaker: Yeah, 100%. I'm so glad you said that because a lot of people say like, I want to have ah ah a partner who values growth. Like ah I'm on the dating apps. You see that all the time. And I, after doing this work, I'm like, are you sure?
Speaker: Because growth fundamentally means something new. You don't know where you're going to go. You don't know where your partner is going to grow. You don't know how they're going to now see you differently because of their growth. You don't, there may be things that all of a sudden you're like, I'm just not into that.
Speaker: I'm with, I'm a hundred percent with you too. Like I love the idea of growth. Like I just love the idea of growth for the idea of growth. Not even, not even that we get to some place that's like somehow profoundly better, but just the act of going like, whoa, I, this is who I was. This is what I learned. And now I'm this,
Speaker: I love that. But that is fundamentally an unstable environment. That is, a ah you know, and, you know, let's be real. Like a lot of women want stability and want um ah a sense of where they can feel safe and which is is totally awesome. And you can feel safe inside of growth if you really value growth.
Speaker: And it's not it's not the easiest thing. So, you know, thank you for bringing that up because it's it's hard. that you You may end up in some place that you'd never expected. What do you think on the the tracking side? you go through the exercise, you're identifying. And then what I found, so I kind of ranked my five and then i tracked for several weeks and i found that what I thought was number one was actually number three. And what I thought was four was actually number one. And and so seeing when they were actually put in conflict, what I would choose, what I would prioritize, choose. was helpful for me to really understand. Cause there's, there's one of our stated values and then there are lived values and our values are how we act, right? Like look at our actions, not our desires. And then you can see what we truly value.
Speaker: Yeah, i I take a little bit of a different approach on this. I look at values as tools, things that you can use to accomplish a particular goal. And the fact the fact is, is that in any part, at any moment in your life, there's going to be places in your life where you are living true to your values, like they're very real, and there's going places where you're not.
Speaker: where you're you're not as effective as you could be. You're not living true to those values. So i I don't track like which value is higher up. Mine are connection, curiosity, and fun. Curiosity leads my, in a big way, but at different times it's fun or a connection. Like i um I, I'm more in the the the state of like, hey, what are my values? And then how can I apply them to this situation?
Speaker: I'm, you know, i'm going on a date. How can I apply my values to this? What do, would they say to do in this situation? I'm having a difficult conversation with a coworker. You know, I can go through, you can kind of think like, what do my values say to do here? And that will help me stay grounded in me.
Speaker: And then I'm more likely to come up with answers and solutions that will that I will actually do. Okay. Yeah. You know, ah mine just for sharing kind of my, my top five growth, health, connection, curiosity, and peace. Right. So it's, I value peace and equanimity, but I sacrifice it to those four above it. Right. Like, Hey, there's a stressful thing to I could sit on my couch and kind of be peaceful or i can go out to this event that may be a little stressful, but that's where I'm going to get connection. That's where I'm going to see people and grow more, right? So I do value that, but it it is subservient to some of these others, like when when they get bumped against each other. So that's just for me where I find it helpful, kind of stack ranking them.
Speaker: What do you think on the idea of... that they're malleable. So do you think they are innate? You're like, Hey, these are what they are. Do they, can they, or should they change with time? You're like, Hey, I really valued that in my twenties. Now I'm in my forties.
Speaker: My value is a little different now than it was. Maybe it was like all about freedom or whatever in my twenties. And now it's, Oh, I really want the security or stability more than the freedom at a different stage of life. What have you seen there?
Speaker: Well, i I kind of believe that our values are with us for a very long time. Like maybe we don't have the language of it exactly, but who we were when we were younger, certainly, you know, probably even by middle school, by by high school and college, like like who we are is is relatively going to be the same. And so the energy that we have, whether you believe your values come from a spirit, a soul, an energy, just the way the body is, you know, over evolution, like wherever that is,
Speaker: they were there They were there for a while. So I think the language might be the same or similar once we said it, but what they actually what those words mean to people will change over time.
Speaker: So fun for me is different now that I'm 55 than it was when I was 25. But the the ah the energy of fun is still very important to me.
Speaker: Okay. Oh, and so this is where you when you start to explore and you start to have conversations about um like, this is what my values mean to me. And you talk to other people about what those values mean to them. You can learn and grow and you can start to explore like like fun for me is about accomplishment and and challenge and teamwork and doing something new.
Speaker: and that's but And that's a little bit different than, you know, someone else's definition of fun. So I can talk to them and learn and grow. So I think the energy of our values, and I know this isn't very scientific, but the energy of our values is probably relatively um grounded. But how we might describe that energy might change a little bit. And certainly what those words mean to us over time will change.
Speaker: Okay, that makes sense. Tony Robbins, i don't know. I've never tried it personally, but in, in the Wiggin, the giant within that they took the original values from, and it's been an exercise i didn't take from his book, but it's come up in several books. I have it in my own, the, the values action gap, um, business outside and many of these others that, um,
Speaker: there are different tools for identifying these values. ah But Tony Robbins talks about that you can shape them. Like if you do have aspirational values, you can actually reorder your preferences and and change them. And do you agree or see that? Or have you done that work with people? If you're like, here are my values, but i I feel kind of icky about them. I want to change them. What what do you think about that?
Speaker: Yeah, people, like one big value that that I put in with people, is I call it a flow word. And this is a word like fun, play, adventure, creativity, um ah curiosity. Like those those words are proven out of positive psychology to create awareness. Yeah.
Speaker: And ah when I first started working with people, we would come up their values and they would come up with like three very serious sounding things. ah Integrity, authenticity, and excellence. You know, something something of that sort. And their faces wouldn't change at all. They'd be like, was just like this granite thing. And these are people that honestly, I had been drinking with, i had gone on trips with, i had done, you know, like I knew that there was more to these people than what they were saying.
Speaker: And I would say, hey, there's you know, it's fun or play adventure part of you. And what inevitably happens is they would they'd be like, yes, there'd be this big explosion of energy. And then they would say, i But I didn't know I could do that.
Speaker: And so one thing that I do is I just help people embrace the side that that our values have been with us for a while. So at some point, fun or play or creativity would have been part of who we are.
Speaker: And maybe they aren't the biggest part of who we are now, but they are still a component. and And people embracing that sense of fun, bracing that sense of adventure is really freeing and really challenging.
Speaker: Like, how do I bring a sense of play to my work? How do I bring a sense of fun or adventure to my relationship or to to my sex life? Like, how do I do that? And that's like really, really exciting and really like, whoa.
Speaker: So to me, our values are all about building a muscle. It's just practice. The more you can say, hey, what are my values? What do they say to do in this situation? it will just allow you.
Speaker: And and the the whole idea of aspirational versus logistical sort of values, to me, again, it goes back to at any point in time, like like you're you we both share the value of curiosity.
Speaker: um at any at any point time, there's places where we're going to be very curious and we're always that way. And there's places where we're kind of stuck in our own ways and we're not being as curious as we could be. Not intentionally, but like just as a reality. So in the stuck place, curiosity is a very aspirational thing. But in the place where we're already doing it, that's a very natural thing. So it's, to me, it's not a matter of how they are. It's a question of in the moment, right here, right now, you can say, hey, how can I bring a, what would, if I was being curious in this situation, what would it tell me to do?
Speaker: What, what can I do to spark curiosity between myself and the person I'm talking to? You know, you can explore it that way. And, and that's how I do it. I'm a real practical guy. Like I don't try to get like too, too big. It's just simply like, what are your values and how can you use them in whatever it is that you're trying to do?
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Speaker: And I think you mentioned, you already referenced once that these six questions that you work people through. Can can you take us through that? Yeah, sure. um So, and this is what I call this the refinement system. And this is designed to, i use this as a ah a daily ah ah planning your day. You can use it to get past a place where you're feeling stuck.
Speaker: If you're going into a meeting and you want to have ah the most energy, um you can also use it for recovery. You know, you... You know, somebody says, hey, you know, I don't want to date you anymore. And you can use, that bums you out. You can get past it.
Speaker: So there's six questions. And um the first question is, is what can you celebrate about yesterday? And what this does is triggers dopamine in your brain and gives you a little bit of energy boost. And then what did you learn from that?
Speaker: And that gives you a sense of accomplishment because if you learn something from anything, no matter the results, you've learned, you know, you are now a new person. and so And so that kind of primes, those two questions prime the pump. Then you say, what's your pressing goal? What's the thing that you're working on right now?
Speaker: This gives you focus. Then anytime you set up a goal, you say, I want to, you know, I want to make this much in sales. I want to lose this much weight. I want to ask that person on a date. I want to ah run for political office. Whatever it is, there's going to be a fear or doubt is going to come up.
Speaker: The amygdala, you know, amygdala part of our brain is going to start firing because it wants to protect us from stopping us from embarrassing ourselves, essentially. It used to save us from lions and tigers. Now it's about us not getting embarrassed so much.
Speaker: So anytime we say a goal, that that puts us at a risk of failure, embarrassment, disappointment. And so it's going to say, you know, you're not good enough. i don't have what it takes. This won't work out for me. So it'll trigger a whole bunch of things.
Speaker: And our fears are always going to be louder than our values. We just want to acknowledge them. We just want to say, hey, you know, this is what's going on right here. and And then basically set those aside. And then you can say, what do my values say to do?
Speaker: And that becomes a brainstorming session. It will give you a whole bunch of different ideas. And then from that list, and that's question five, and then from that list, what's the action that I can take today? And that gives you, that triggers you your intrinsic motivation because it's coming from your values, aligns with the goal, and you'll end up with clarity, confidence, and energy.
Speaker: And the real nice thing about those six questions is that they're they're net energy positive. You can come in feeling completely zero motivation, no inspiration at the bottom of wherever your bottom is.
Speaker: And as you go through there, as you remind yourself that you did do something yesterday that was worth celebrating, you learned from it. As you get clear on a goal and you acknowledge the fears, and then you say, hey, what are my values and what action can I take? You'll end up with more energy.
Speaker: And so you'll go forward. So it's ah it's a really good anti-burnout effort as well. Is it kind of a morning meditation? is it morning practice you recommend for people to do a schedule five minutes or 10 minutes and and do this? Because it seems like know setting up your day, I love the idea of the looking back and the learning and the gratitude, right? Gets me in the positive mindset before I go into my day. And it gives me an action plan aligned with my values for the day ahead.
Speaker: is How do you typically recommend people use it? Honestly, it started off as a daily planner. But what I found is, and what i work with people is that we start um the first kind of month that we work with people is that it's really just building up the habit of asking those questions. so you do it in the morning.
Speaker: But you'll find that you know, at the, in the, in the afternoon, you you know, you, you got meetings at two or three and they're important meetings and you're just naturally drained. If you go through those questions and maybe you say, Hey, what what is something I can celebrate from the morning and do that?
Speaker: It will bring you back to a space of more energy, more, just more your best self. So if you have a meeting that you want to go to, you're, you know you got to, you're talking to your boss about a raise, you're,
Speaker: You're going on a date. you're You're trying to, you want to be your best for ah there's some sort of physical endeavor. Going through those questions. And you can, once you do it a few times, you can do it just within a couple of minutes.
Speaker: Okay. It always just brings you to a better spot. and And ultimately, it's the fastest and most effective way to take actions that align with your values and serve your goals. Okay.
Speaker: And I guess this is all in service of, what do you call it the 3D printed life? Yeah. Yeah. so the um the ah the three d printed life is ah is honestly relatively new. It's been in the past ah past four or five months now.
Speaker: But I read an article about a a guy saying, hey, we're living in what I call the polycrisis. And the polycrisis, and he didn't turn the, but the polycrisis is the fact that on any given moment you can be receiving information from ah politics, from technology, from your boss, from your relationship. Like it's just, you're just dealing with stuff all the time.
Speaker: And so the the idea of approaching things one at a time, it it no longer works. It's, and it, I had this visual, it's like trying to build a house one wall at a time in the middle of a storm where, ah you know, everything is getting pushed around.
Speaker: but and then I had the visual of it. Do you know what a 3d printed house is? Have you seen those? Yeah. Where you build the, you kind of layer by layer up. Yeah. Yeah. So, so rather than trying to say, Hey, I want to work entirely on your business or entirely focus on your fitness or focus on your, you know, your relationship, like traditional coaching, what we do is we choose four, you you know, the the the client chooses the four most important areas of their life.
Speaker: And then we use those six questions, the refinement system to take actions every day. for those four areas. And the end result is you wake up every day and you're like, holy cow, I moved my whole life forward.
Speaker: You know, maybe, maybe not a huge step, but it's a baby step. And over time, and what we're finding is about over about a couple of months, there's, there's somewhere in there between the six and eight,
Speaker: you just You just have the sense of where like everything starts to move forward in much bigger steps. and And the person believes that they can't. You know, they have that self-efficacy, that sense of like, hey, I can do this.
Speaker: And it it really helps with imposter syndrome because it's all stuff that they're doing. It's their values, their actions, their walls. And they're doing and they're like, hey, I am using you. I'm using your tools. You know, they're talking to me.
Speaker: I'm using your tools. But dang, I did it. You know, in that sense of like, I did it, which is which is huge. Yeah. I mean, this, this comes up a lot on the show that, that belief does not predate action, right? We think, Hey, once I have the belief, i can go do the thing. But like all the science shows, belief comes after the action you prove to yourself. And then that's why you believe it. Like, Oh, I can give that talk in front of people. I've done it. Right. Like I was nervous or whatever it was. I overcame it and i gave the talk and now I believe I can do it. I've done the thing.
Speaker: And so it's, it's the, the direction we often have wrong. Yeah. on what You talked about you pick four areas with people. is Is there a general menu that people have that they're working from? like what are What are the buckets when you talk about four areas to work on?
Speaker: Usually it's business and then um depending if they're in a relationship or not, it some romance or relationship is kind of one. Then um fitness and then could be fun or finances. Those tend to be the...
Speaker: kind of the the general one. um Some people is like, you know, sense of contribution is is another one that comes up. and But again, and i don't I don't critique as long as they're kind of like somewhat different is the main thing.
Speaker: um i don't I don't spend much time You know, people come, hey, I want to work on these areas. I'm like, awesome. If I can get behind it, then then they can do it. And it's not to say that there aren't more than four areas of your life because there are.
Speaker: But I found that for you can the idea of ah like a square is a very strong foundational sort of thing. So if you have a sense that you're moving four things forward, it it just really builds this nice, strong foundation.
Speaker: okay It might be helpful, obviously, we've both done it, but for listeners that haven't gone through the values identification exercise, it might be helpful giving a an overview on what that actually is, the process for doing it, kind of how long it takes for them.
Speaker: So at my website, certaingrowth.com, there's a, ah the the refinement system, you can, we'll go through all this, but I'll ask, I ask three questions that help people identify values. The first question is, when you interact with people, how do you want them to feel?
Speaker: And this will be a, this, the answer is will this be like safe, heard, motivated, inspired, something and something in that realm. And people choose three or four or five things.
Speaker: Then you ask yourself, okay, when I was feeling those things, like let's say we said safe, heard, and motivated. Those are the, the when I feel safe, heard, and motivated, how do I feel?
Speaker: Not when I'm working with other people, but like when I have the experience of being safe, heard and motivated, how does that feel? And from there, you choose one ah one word from a list. It's usually ah love, joy, happiness, excitement or freedom.
Speaker: Those are the top five things. And I call those your core word. That's like who you are at your core. And like mine is love from from that point. And then you would say, okay, but love is too big a broad word. It means different things to different people.
Speaker: And then you say, okay, what are three words that help you experience love or or describe what love means to you? So for me, love is about connection, curiosity, and fun. When I have those, I'm loving myself. I'm loving my person. I'm loving life. That's the there.
Speaker: And mean, you choose three words. And again, one of the words must be what I call the the flow word, which would be like a fun play curiosity adventure or something in that realm.
Speaker: And that that triggers energy so that every time you use your values, you're getting, again, you're getting an energy boost. So those three questions, you'll be able to identify your values in about five minutes.
Speaker: And you mentioned the first time when you're doing it with people and they'd kind of come up with these inspirational poster words. Do you find...
Speaker: What percent of time do people get it right the first time? Like, what is that iterative? Cause for me, right. I didn't really get it right. know, I had 10, some were aspirational, the ranking was different, right? Like what is, it's one thing to come up with the list and then it's a different thing to have an accurate list. And so what what is the process of my first pass to kind of refining and saying, oh, okay, yeah, this this this truly is right.
Speaker: Not just kind of what my grandparents taught me I should value type thing. Right. I generally find people get, most of the time they'll get two words right. Okay. They'll get two.
Speaker: And then there'll be one word that they like they kind of... they get they have the feeling, but they can't quite put put it on language. Like for me, fun started off as courage and then contribution and success.
Speaker: And then i realized that for me, fun is about being courageous, about being conscious, you know, and and being successful. Like that's what fun meant to me. So it, I was able to ah step into that.
Speaker: So people, yeah, generally they'll generally get, you know one or two, you know, pretty strong. And you can actually test this. And on the forum, I described this. you can You can actually test this by saying, ah by just saying your words out loud.
Speaker: If you say, like, you know, my name is Joey Chandler, my values are connection, curiosity, and fun, I have i have total freedom in saying that. If you say a word that weighs you down, like if I were to say, you know, my values are connection, curiosity, integrity, like that would that integrity would just weigh me down. You'd have a physical body, the somatic understanding of it.
Speaker: and And for there, if you say your words and and one or two of them just feels heavy, i just say, hey, that's your body telling you something's not quite right here. Let's put that aside and choose choose some other ones.
Speaker: Now, sometimes you get a word where you're like, oh, I like that, but it's scary. You know, like it's ah it's it's it's it's the right word, but it's a little bit of a stretch. And I say, keep those words. Because that's your body just saying, this is good, but you're going to do like you go take a little bit of work. And that's different than, no, there's there's just some misalignment here.
Speaker: Okay. So take me through that. So it feels funny and it's a stretch. What does that mean? It is more aspirational. It's like, Hey, I have it in there. I haven't always lived by it, but it's it's something I really do. Like I may be fun, right? Like maybe somebody grew up in a, an environment where it was all about, know,
Speaker: achievement and success and everything. And so fun is kind of put on the back burner, but they get really inspired by fun. They get, they get excited, but like, I don't know. I don't know if I'm really allowed to do that. Is that kind of an instance you're thinking of?
Speaker: Yeah, absolutely. I had had a guy who, um super high-end sales executive, you know, like really successful, built brands that you and I know. and ah And we did this exercise and his were growth, family, and fun.
Speaker: and And he's like, I can't talk about family and fun at work. You know, like he's like, I just, you know, that was his first reaction. Like, I can't, that I can't. And in those moments, but it was very right. He's like, these are a hundred percent right. I just can't talk about it. So like that was a, he felt it it was a hundred percent right.
Speaker: But the, this, and and this is where it becomes down to the muscle. It's practice. It's asking yourself, Hey, how can I, how can I apply this? And what we ended up doing was, is we just started exploring, well, how does, what does family mean for you at,
Speaker: family, you know, when he's at home with his wife his wife and his children versus what does family mean for you at work? and And what we found is like there were there were similarities, you know working together, having fun, going on adventures, like all of that. It just had kind of a different language for the work thing.
Speaker: And so, you know, the whole idea of us being more of ourselves, like just really being true to who we are runs into the challenges that we all have far more experience being who we think we should be rather than who we actually are.
Speaker: It's a lot easier to play a role than to have to be yourself. yeah Exactly. So so then it just then it's just a matter of just little practice. It's a little bit of building up muscle. the One really cool thing about values is because they are, they apply all these different areas.
Speaker: and And this is one reason why the 3D printed life approach works is that If I'm worried about, say, talking about family at work, maybe I can apply a sense of family to my fitness and and and learn from that.
Speaker: and then And then start to see how that applies in different ways. And so you you just start to make these connections. And that thing that was once really scary for you to say...
Speaker: becomes a little less scary than you actually say it. Then you realize that the world doesn't end when you talk about family at work. Because the fact is that this guy is super loving, super caring. And you know I don't work with him as an employee, but I'm sure he treats his people like family. Like I'm sure they would say that that was a reasonable thing. But sometimes we're afraid to say that.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. There can be the the stigma or the fear. You with a ah and lively, we talk a lot about our five pillars, the healthspan, fitness, movement, nutrition, sleep and recovery, stress management, social connection.
Speaker: You have four lanes. is Is that right? can you Can you talk about what those are, how you derive those, how how they come into play with all of this? It's a personal thing. And because my main thing is I want people taking action.
Speaker: Like, I don't want people, i don't want to be in a debate or, you know, having like, oh, I'm i'm calling this a different lane or I should be working in that lane when I really want to work in this. I figure if you're taking actions out line with your values and serve a goal, say for maybe you're working on your creativity, that will help you in your business, in your dating, in your fitness at some point. I don't know when, I don't know how, but I'm sure going to learn from it.
Speaker: So it's much more about, you know, simply taking action. and if And if someone's like, I want to have five, i you know, All my systems are set up for four, but we could do five. It's not, you know, um but I just find the four, for me, the four built the foundation of a house and and it fit with the metaphor. I mean, you know, it's a little bit cheesy that way, but it fit with the metaphor.
Speaker: Okay. That makes sense. So it ties to that 3d printed life. it It is, mean, what we see, right. Even just focusing on one that there are these trickle down and amplifying effects. So you improve how quickly you fall asleep. Guess what? The total time of sleep goes up. Your total restorative sleep goes up. A lot of times your resting heart rate goes down, right? It impacts a bunch of other metrics. So yeah,
Speaker: You don't have to work on all of them at once by really focusing on one you get this amplifying effect on the others. and I imagine it's the same with these lanes, or the walls that by doing the things that are aligned in my values here, it it permeates these other areas. It's a ripple effect.
Speaker: Absolutely. Yeah. And because we're using the same process, those same six questions in each one, we are, you know, really the only thing that's changing in the, in the, in the formulas, essentially the questions are the goal.
Speaker: You know, my goal for my business is going to be different than my goal for my fitness, but the process of, of getting through, going through and getting grounded in your values, that stays the same. So you learn different things in different ways and it, it, it just helps people just be i like I had one guy who's a, um he he's working on being a comedian.
Speaker: and we're And we're going through and we use the values to come up with some really great kind and just getting past the fear and and just owning the fact that he's he's actually moving. he got his first paid gig within three months of being a comedian, which is a big deal for for a standup.
Speaker: and And so he was going through all the imposter stuff. And so we did all these things. And then um we're going through the thing and and I was like, hey, you know, you have a relationship on one. You know, you know how's that going? And he's like, ah, yeah.
Speaker: And so we go through the process. And he came up with this idea of, he's like, I want to prepare for my wife the same way that I prepare for my shows. Yeah. because he and And it was like, and it was just this eye-opening thing. And I talked to him a couple weeks later and it turned out he was going on, he was taking his wife to go see a speaker that they both like and go see a baseball game and spend the whole weekend together. and he he like really prepared for it.
Speaker: And that was just, ah you know, just applying something he learned in one area and just making a simple application to another. Yeah, that's great. Well, Joey, this has been very informative, I think, and I hope our listeners get a lot of value out of it. I know it could be kind of high level. Maybe they didn't take all the notes. So for those that want to dig in more, where can they find you? Where can they get more on this?
Speaker: yeah My website is called certaingrowth.com and that's where you can go and I'll walk you through the process to identify your values as well as get the six questions. And um I'm at Joey Chandler 70 everywhere on LinkedIn, TikTok, YouTube, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker: Fantastic. Well, I appreciate the work you're doing and I appreciate you coming on the show today. Enjoy a lively day. Thank you. Thank you for joining us on today's episode of the Home of Healthspan podcast.
Speaker: And remember, you can always find the products, practices, and routines mentioned by today's guests, as well as many other Healthspan role models on Alively.com. Enjoy a lively day.
